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Complaint Review: Craigslist Masters Or CraigslistMastery.Com

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  • Submitted: Mon, May 12, 2008
  • Updated: Wed, May 20, 2009

  • Reported By:Mesa Arizona
Craigslist Masters Or CraigslistMastery.Com
598 Indian Trail Road Suite 205 Indian Trail, North Carolina U.S.A.

Craigslist Masters Or CraigslistMastery.Com CraigslistMasters.Com Erik Welker Just a worthless product, and what I believe to be deceptive advertising Indian Trail North Carolina

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: My phone number has changed...

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: My phone number has changed...

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: My phone number has changed...

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: My phone number has changed...

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Just Another Disgruntled Thief Who Was Surpised When His Original Plans Failed!

*Author of original report: Just another one of Erik Welker's Chronies

*Author of original report: Is it as obvious to you as it is to me that Sam works for Erik Welker?

*Consumer Comment: Craigslist Masters a Scam?

*Consumer Comment: Rd, I think you're mistaken...

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Erik Welker advertises his product as a wizbang way to advertise on craigs List, but in reality, it's worthless to me. Then, when the product wont work, or his webinars get shutdown, he suddenly comes up with lame excuses as to why it wont work. Here is part of an email I just got from him a few days ago "Attention Members,

If you have not already heard the news, craigslist has implemented a phone verification requirement in the small biz ads section and it has quickly spread into other sections...

Please do not be alarmed, as this verification system will either go away, or the entire craigslist posting community will collectively find a "workaround" and we will do it quickly."

Here's another lame excuse I received

"Here's a great idea...

Has anyone actually tried the phone system yet? We have. And you know what? Our ad posted!

While everyone else is running around like a chicken with their head cut off for the next few days (until this blows over) and none of the auto posting tools are working, don't you think NOW would be a good time to get your ads posted in those sections where there are only a few ads going up?

Try the phone system!

For heaven's sake, there are only 12 ads in the small biz ad section right now in Los Angeles! Do you know what that could mean to your business if you get an ad to stick?

Just imagine... you might be able to get an ad to stick, and stay in the top ten for a long time in a few major cities.

Too many people have taken auto posting for granted anyway. This is a good time to get back to basics and do some manual posting for a day or two while this gets sorted out. Utilize all the resources you have, like an extra phone line if you have one."

What he does not say is, "Hey, they've thwarted our efforts so far, and our information you have paid for is useless until we find a fix, or they give up." Just a pathetic way to avoid the point that his software is not working, at least not for me. And they lack the integrity to refund my money.

Rd
Mesa, Arizona
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 05/12/2008 12:25 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Craigslist-Masters-Or-CraigslistMasteryCom/Indian-Trail-North-Carolina-28079/Craigslist-Masters-Or-CraigslistMasteryCom-CraigslistMastersCom-Erik-Welker-Just-a-worth-332067. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

My phone number has changed...

AUTHOR: Erik Welker - (U.S.A.)

First off, this report has been on the Internet for over a year now, and still affecting my business!

You folks at the Rip Off Report should be ashamed of yourselves for even launching such a disgusting website!

If you had a better way to validate these people, them maybe it would be worth it, but ANYONE can just jump on your website and attempt to destroy someone else's business for ANY REASON under the sun.

Did I dump you in high school? ok - go to the Rip Off report and ruin my business!

Did you try to SCAM ME by joining my program, stealing everything in my membership area and then ask for your money back, even though I used to have a NO REFUND policy? ok - go the the Rip Off report and ruin my business!

Now that I am done ranting, for those of you are SERIOUS about EXPLODING your Internet business through Classified Advertising, my phone number has changed since my initial posting above. My new phone number is: 404.829.3102.

Call me when you are ready to roll up your sleeves and get on it!

We still have over 600 members today, and we've been in business for over 2 years now and going strong.
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#2 REBUTTAL Owner of company

My phone number has changed...

AUTHOR: Erik Welker - (U.S.A.)

First off, this report has been on the Internet for over a year now, and still affecting my business!

You folks at the Rip Off Report should be ashamed of yourselves for even launching such a disgusting website!

If you had a better way to validate these people, them maybe it would be worth it, but ANYONE can just jump on your website and attempt to destroy someone else's business for ANY REASON under the sun.

Did I dump you in high school? ok - go to the Rip Off report and ruin my business!

Did you try to SCAM ME by joining my program, stealing everything in my membership area and then ask for your money back, even though I used to have a NO REFUND policy? ok - go the the Rip Off report and ruin my business!

Now that I am done ranting, for those of you are SERIOUS about EXPLODING your Internet business through Classified Advertising, my phone number has changed since my initial posting above. My new phone number is: 404.829.3102.

Call me when you are ready to roll up your sleeves and get on it!

We still have over 600 members today, and we've been in business for over 2 years now and going strong.
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#3 REBUTTAL Owner of company

My phone number has changed...

AUTHOR: Erik Welker - (U.S.A.)

First off, this report has been on the Internet for over a year now, and still affecting my business!

You folks at the Rip Off Report should be ashamed of yourselves for even launching such a disgusting website!

If you had a better way to validate these people, them maybe it would be worth it, but ANYONE can just jump on your website and attempt to destroy someone else's business for ANY REASON under the sun.

Did I dump you in high school? ok - go to the Rip Off report and ruin my business!

Did you try to SCAM ME by joining my program, stealing everything in my membership area and then ask for your money back, even though I used to have a NO REFUND policy? ok - go the the Rip Off report and ruin my business!

Now that I am done ranting, for those of you are SERIOUS about EXPLODING your Internet business through Classified Advertising, my phone number has changed since my initial posting above. My new phone number is: 404.829.3102.

Call me when you are ready to roll up your sleeves and get on it!

We still have over 600 members today, and we've been in business for over 2 years now and going strong.
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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

My phone number has changed...

AUTHOR: Erik Welker - (U.S.A.)

First off, this report has been on the Internet for over a year now, and still affecting my business!

You folks at the Rip Off Report should be ashamed of yourselves for even launching such a disgusting website!

If you had a better way to validate these people, them maybe it would be worth it, but ANYONE can just jump on your website and attempt to destroy someone else's business for ANY REASON under the sun.

Did I dump you in high school? ok - go to the Rip Off report and ruin my business!

Did you try to SCAM ME by joining my program, stealing everything in my membership area and then ask for your money back, even though I used to have a NO REFUND policy? ok - go the the Rip Off report and ruin my business!

Now that I am done ranting, for those of you are SERIOUS about EXPLODING your Internet business through Classified Advertising, my phone number has changed since my initial posting above. My new phone number is: 404.829.3102.

Call me when you are ready to roll up your sleeves and get on it!

We still have over 600 members today, and we've been in business for over 2 years now and going strong.
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#5 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Just Another Disgruntled Thief Who Was Surpised When His Original Plans Failed!

AUTHOR: Erik Welker - (U.S.A.)

Gee, that's funny that someone with the initials RD from Mesa Arizona has filed this complaint...

because as I go through my records for the past year, I only have 2 people with these initials who is from anywhere in Arizona... both of which I called and they told me that they did not file any such report!

So who are you REALLY Mr. RD From Mesa Arizona? And why are you abusing the Rip Off Report system to defame me and my organization?

The truth is that I have over 600 active paying members in my Classified Ad Masters organization, so I am not really sure what you are referring to when you say that CraigslistMasters and ClassifiedAdMasters is a RIP OFF!

You are OBVIOUSLY one of those guys who tried to get into my organization, get all the goodies and then expect that your Credit Card company will assist you with a charge back claim.

You see, some people buy products and services online with every intention on getting their money back before they ever place their order.

I know because I've been reporting these guys to the FBI for over 3 years as an online marketer with goods and services to sell.

If you are an HONEST internet marketer and someone, as with the case of "RD FROM MESA, AZ" or whatever his or her REAL NAME is, tries to "steal" your stuff that you spent hours, weeks, months or even YEARS putting together, I encourage you to report them immediately to the official FBI CHARGE BACK FRAUD website as I have:

http://IC3.gov

Also, make sure you have a little "check box" or a web page that they cannot get past until they agree that they understand your complete refund policy and they agree to the terms of that policy.

This way, when the charge backs come in, which they will no matter what industry you are in, or what product or service you are selling, or how great your product or service is, you can beat these thieves at their own game.

I learned this lesson the hard way in my early years, trust me on this one.

You see, some people think it's fun and games to grab their credit card, head over to their computer and get stuff for free on the Internet by making a purchase and then doing a charge back...

but honest businessmen and women from all around the world are banning together and fighting back!

Don't be surprised if someone comes knocking on your door with hand cuffs, as you are committing a serious crime called INTERNET FRAUD or CYBER FRAUD that is most definitely punishable by up to 20 years in federal prison...

and trust me, they WILL come after you!

This is just another great tip for honest Internet marketers that are just trying to break free from corporate America and provide for their families.

Here are just a few other websites that I own and operate... why don't you visit some of them and decide for yourself if I am a SCAMMER!

DreamFitnessDesigns
RemodelYourMind
InternetDreamMachine
Web2Mastery

And then, if you have any questions please feel free to give me a call, as I do not hide behind my website, or an alias name like RD from Mesa, AZ, or a fake email address or anything that could be construed as DECEPTIVE.


Erik Welker ~
Professional Internet Marketer
Email: Erik@InternetDreamMachine.com
Direct: 704.904.4455
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#6 Author of original report

Just another one of Erik Welker's Chronies

AUTHOR: Rd - (U.S.A.)

I must admit, this one made me laugh. This poor guy spends four pencil leads to try and guess what went wrong, all of which aims at my failure, rather than the truth of Erik's failures. For the record, I never ever once signed into one of the webinars. I never posted an ad using the "Software". Never started, so I could not have "quit". I was too busy making an honorable living, supplying people with something good in trade for their investment. I simply evaluated the emails coming in from Erik, and found that many times, he was making excuses for the fact that his "Tricks", and "Cracks" were not working. Read my original report containing actual emails from him, showing the truth. The simple fact is that he had to keep breaking into the system, as they found ways to keep him out. If you want the truth, "TruthBeTold", email Craig Newmark himself, then you'll know the truth. I did. You don't have to drink the whole glass of milk to realize that it's bad. It was easy to see that the system for me was a hoax, a lot of hat, but no cattle. Craigslist Masters, Pet Rocks, Varnished Cow Pies, and Real Estate on the Moon may all make someone a chunk of change, but luckily, wont last. Hopefully, the people that read this, will make a wise decision BEFORE they make their payment, and thereby be better off than I. That's my hope. Every single discussion I have with anyone, anywhere, will always be an opportunity to tell my story of what a waste of time and money Erik Welker's enterprise was for me. I'm already in the process of getting a full refund, no problem. I'm nobody, just a little tractor in this garden. But as time goes on, and more and more of those like myself tell the truth, the closer we are to being rid of things like this. God Bless all of us.
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#7 Author of original report

Is it as obvious to you as it is to me that Sam works for Erik Welker?

AUTHOR: Rd - (U.S.A.)

When I filed my original report, I gave true and exact information, along with my opinion. Look at the ACTUAL email examples from Erik himself in my original report. It is hard for Erik, or his Chronies, to fight against his own admission of defectiveness. Not because I had a vested interest in the success of Erik Welker, but rather had been, in my opinion, ripped off of the money I paid, never receiving what I paid for. "Sam" HAS TO convince people that this program works, or people will stop paying for it, when they, as I did, find out the truth. Here's the truth from my point of view. The solutions Erik sells have IN FACT, been thwarted by Craigslist as they find the hole in their system. For evidence of this, just read my first report on him. Then Erik simply urges people to be patient while he finds a way around the rules of Craigslist. Erik, in my opinion, simply wants to make money off of Craig Newmark's talents and hard work. I would not be surprised that Erik works day and night just to TRY to keep up with people like Craig Newmark. It is just another example to me of when you "Can't dazzle them with brilliance, you baffle them with.....", well you know. In my opinion, ANY positive you will hear about Erik's enterprise, will be from people who have a vested interest in his success. ANY negative you will hear about Erik's enterprise will be from people who, like myself, lost money by giving into the hype that promises something that for me, did not deliver. That's just my opinion. "Sam", your time is better spent in a worthwhile, honest venture. Everyone else, don't waste your money.
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#8 Consumer Comment

Craigslist Masters a Scam?

AUTHOR: Truthbetold - (U.S.A.)

is Craigslist Masters a Scam? Does Erik Welker bait & switch?

All I can share is my personal experience. I joined Craigslist Masters in March of 2008 because of my CL ads that were being "ghosted". I had tried everything
i knew and couldn't figure it out on my own.

So along comes CL Masters and they have step by step instructions on how to post effectively on Craigslist. Wow! I was amazed at how much
I DIDN'T know.

Anyways, after several weeks of learning Erik Welkers methodology - my ads began to show up!

Here's why someone might think that Erik Welker's Craigslist Masters is worthless or a scam

1. Looking for a Get Rich Quick solution
these people are always looking for the easy way out. the truth is that posting ads on craigslist takes some work and focus. Most are looking for a way to ease the pain of their own failure by purchasing a "silver bullet" program that will solve all their problems.
This person will not succeed in ANYTHING

2. Doesn't Follow Directions
The person who buys the course, skims through it and doesn't attend the trainings
and ask question may be a little shocked that the ads WON'T POST THEMSELVES - at least without setting up the software :) This person again is hoping that the ebook will do the work for them - application!

3. Is a quitter
Yep. The person who expects to "nail it" the first time around will be disappointed when their ads don't post the first try. This person actually will quit without persisting on... (it took me about 3 weeks to REALLY start to become effective - a little learning curve.)

So, if you're looking for dirt on Craigslist Masters or Erik Welker - the only dirt you might find on him is on his elbows... because he puts some serious elbow grease into what he's doing... The man works WAY too much and charges WAY to little for what he provides.

Craigslist will ALWAYS change - and the beauty of subscribing to a monthly service where there is training just about everyday of the week and staff that is constantly looking to improve their methodology - is that YOU don't have to be the innovator -- just follow their lead.

So is Craigslist Masters a scam? Ha! Maybe if you believe that using fairy dust and magic wands will do your work for you...
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#9 Consumer Comment

Rd, I think you're mistaken...

AUTHOR: Sam - (U.S.A.)

The Internet is one of the most brutal market places our economy has ever experienced. Freedom of Speech reigns down from the skies in the form of 10,000 needles meant to destroy and dilute, or fluffy clouds that bring the best of the best straight to the very top.

As a long-term user of Craigslist and a student of Erik Welker, I can honestly say that he is the hardest working, most dedicated leader on the Web.

You claim that his solutions and his E-Mails are invalid and/or false, and his Adobe Webinar Rooms are unstable, yet... what do other online marketing resources have to offer?

I can assure you that nobody else online is providing a community with Adobe Training facilities, a constant interaction between student and teacher, the rock-bottom truth about what products work and don't work, affiliate products that ALSO offer live fitness, spiritual, health, Web 2.0 training, and there is DEFINITELY no community out there dedicated to working together as a team to resolve problems when they arise.

After working with Erik and seeing the types of products he offers, I have nothing else to say other than "Wow". Spiritual training, fitness and diet training, 2.0 marketing training, et cetera really goes to show his true qualities as a person.

The obvious and only realization is that he cares about the people he works with. Mentally, physically, spiritually. Those are the qualities EVERYONE should expect in a leader.

I hope you get the chance to know Erik. He is obviously working day and night to help communities band together to achieve common goals. A leader, not a crook.

And also... Rd, Disclaimers are meant to be read.

Good luck to all.
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