• Report: #1020516

Complaint Review: Custom Chopper Werks

  • Submitted: Tue, February 26, 2013
  • Updated: Sun, March 10, 2013

  • Reported By: dsproshop — Glen Burnie Maryland United States of America
Custom Chopper Werks
P.O. Box 1267 Internet United States of America

Custom Chopper Werks Robert Rowe, Josh Normanson Modern Day CON ARTISTS....Internet

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Curtis B**** with his aliases again

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: David B****, still can't tell the truth

*Author of original report: PROVE IT! ! ! THATS ALL! ! !

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Mr. David Baur, has trouble with the truth again

*Author of original report: Awesome Nancy chimed in!

*Consumer Comment: Crook Robert Rowe of Custom Chopperwerks, Inc.

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Curtis BROWN, TYCOON GROUP, FINANCIAL ADVISOR FRAUD, CURTIS BROWN USA, LLC, SCAM FINANCIAL ADVISOR, SWINDLES HIS OWN CLIENTS OUT OF MONEY, LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA, BEVERLY HILLS, CALIFORNIA, BANK FRAUD

*Consumer Comment: Robert Rowe Angry About Going to Prison Soon

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Curtis BROWN, TYCOON GROUP, FINANCIAL ADVISOR FRAUD, CURTIS BROWN USA, LLC, SCAM FINANCIAL ADVISOR, SWINDLES HIS OWN CLIENTS OUT OF MONEY, LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA, BEVERLY HILLS, CALIFORNIA, BANK FRAUD

*Consumer Comment: Robert Rowe uses Alias of Crony Friend

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Mr. David Baur and Curtis Brown

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: David Bower has a problem with the truth

*Author of original report: Once again Photo proof of a con man

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: David Baur, proves my point

*Author of original report: WOW! ! ! Show them SHipping recipts! ! !

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Curtis Brown alias "truthmaker"

*Consumer Comment: Robert Rowes Cons Yet Another Person

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: David Baur, again try tellin g the truth

*Consumer Comment: Robert Rowe of Custom Choppwerks Commits Credit Fraud

*Author of original report: And its Mr BAUER Dumbass

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Not true David Baur, try telling the truth

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It all started March 27th 2012 I contacted a company called GRIP THIS to aquire a set of really nice looking forward controls for my 2005 Dyna Lowrider.....asfter several question I was refered straight to the manufactuer named Custom Chopper Werks....after several hours on the phone i felt comforatable with the conversation to place an order for a set of forward controls a set of matching handgrips, toe pegs and passenger pegs. I was assured that this order was no problem and also agreed to a 10-15 day shipping window. Well here is where it gets good......10 days later I make a courtesy call to Bob and ask if parts have been shipped yet......I was told that a machine was down and that the parts would be delayed a few days........this went on for several weeks.....I finally recieved my first shippment on May 5th 2012 which only contained the hand grips and passenger pegs which by the way were wrong they were supposed to be black with contract cut....I was sent polished alumimium......from this point is where the contact started to get spaced out by the week(s). On June 27th I finally recieved the forward controls....this would be the last package i would recieve from this company. After a few conversations I was told by the owner Bob to keep the wrong parts till we get you order corrected.........In which I have done. And still to this day almost 1 year still have not a completed set of parts which i ordered and paid in full. Now we are facing a fitment issue and have tried contacting thru phone, email and cant seem to get any responce to my issues which are legit. After all of this I have done a litte reserch on Mr Rowe and its interesting what googling ROBER ROWE brings up! ! ! I should have done this before I gave him my 730$ but lesson learned. PLEASE anyone who is thinking about dealing with this con man needs to re evaluate doing so he will do nothing but steal your money. Oh yeah and he knows the trick to stealing it too he keeps you on the leash till paypals 90 day rule is up and then you will never hear from him again! ! ! ! STAY AWAY! ! !

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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Curtis B**** with his aliases again

AUTHOR: chopperwerks - (United States of America)

Curtis (Steve),

I didn't deceive anyone as my credit card dispute was valid when it was filed. Like I told you previously, you should call the people who sold you that Benny Hill Home Study Do It Yourself Lawyer Program you bought and ask for your money back. It's very obvious you don't know the law or what you are talking about.

Curtis, you and I both know there is no credit card fraud investigation going on and there never will be because the only credit card fraud that occurred was when you attempted to steal the $5,000.00 I sent you for the investor loan. Now that even you admit I won the PayPal/ credit card dispute and received my $5,000.00 back from PayPal, game over for you.

I don't have any bill from PayPal Curtis. But you do Curtis B****............ in the amount of $5,000.00. LOL, LOL, LOL. So who's the stupid one now Curtis ? I have my $5,000.00 back that was refunded by PayPal through the credit card issuer. You Curtis, now have a $5,000.00 bill from PayPal and I'm not on the hook for one cent of it. LOL, LOL, LOL. That's $5,000.00 Curtis B**** now owes PayPal which he doesn't have the money to pay.

Curtis........ you should read the numerous nasty reviews of Tycoon Group, LLC and Curtis B**** USA, LLC. on those "financial adviser referral" websites. Not good.
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#2 REBUTTAL Owner of company

David B****, still can't tell the truth

AUTHOR: chopperwerks - (United States of America)

David B****,

What I did prove beyond a reasonable doubt is you're a liar. That goes without saying and by your own admission you first contacted Grip This Motorcycle Products. All anyone with common sense (which you obviously lack) has to do is connect the dots stupid.

The second point is let's just say as a hypothetical you bought the forward controls from ChopperWerks Mfg., Inc. (which you didn't). You still lied about returning the parts back to Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. you claimed were wrong. You kept and still have those parts along with additional parts worth $250.00 Custom ChopperWerks sent you because you promised to return the first order. So you lied about returning the parts which makes you a liar. You kept the second shipment of parts Custom ChopperWerks sent you without paying for them so that makes you a thief. Look it up in Webster's.

Yes, the Sportster is the same frame but from 89 down they were mid frame mounts knothead. From 200 up they were moved to the front of the frame and and have a different bolt pattern mount, so like I said they won't fit. B****, you are about as smart as a box of rocks.

This is exactly why the Florida Better Business Bureau didn't think you were truthful because you lied to them. So they threw your fraudulent complaint in the trash.
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#3 Author of original report

PROVE IT! ! ! THATS ALL! ! !

AUTHOR: dsproshop - (United States of America)

PROVE THAT I PAID AND ORDERED THRU GRIP THIS............Because I have Paypal receipt that says I paid Custom ChopperWerks MFG!

PROVE THAT I PAID GRIP THIS! ! !

Like i said im no longer owner of this junk! ! !
Its on a Sportster in texas......

Oh thats right it will not fit a Sportster huh......DUMBA** ITS THE SAME FRAME......

And as far as you puffing your chest out as to who your business partner is.......I COULD GIVE TWO GOOD S**TS......im glad you have an attorney as a business partner by the looks of posts on here your going to need one.........

This will be my last post to this situation but im glad that I lived in your head for the week or two this interactions have been going on............

CHRIST this is more communication we have had since i've owned your junk........but dont own it anymore so I could care less the public sees what kind of person you are!

And god forbid if I was ever able to leave feedback on GRIP THIS ebay page like i would be able to if I had actually bought them from her what I could say! ! ! !

BOB Go f**k yourself and live that life looking behind you as a professional CON MAN does! ! !

You want to talk you can CALL ME! ! ! till then F**K YOU AND HAVE A NICE LIFE............Hopefully in Jail where a crook con man belongs!
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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Mr. David Baur, has trouble with the truth again

AUTHOR: chopperwerks - (United States of America)

David Baur,

Im glad to see that you are capable of at least telling the truth sometimes. Even though its a rare occurrence.

Yes, Nancy, unlike you, is a very honorable person. Since you admit that. It would make no sense for her to post here on The Rip Off Report and lie would it David ?

You know Dave, my business partner whos a very prominent attorney has told me that when people lie it makes his job so much easier. The reason is when someone lies, and then gets cross-examined on that lie, they have to make up another lie to cover the first lie. When they get cross-examined on that lie, they have to make up another lie. Eventually, the person lying has made up so many lies they get confused and shoot themselves in the foot because their lies defy common sense. Your posts prove my business partners point as does Curtis Brown of Tycoon Group, LLC and Curtis Brown USA, LLC.

Now if you go to our website www.customchopperwerks.com it clearly states Custom ChopperWerks sells WHOLESALE ONLY and does NOT SELL RETAIL TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. Have someone read that to you and explain what it says  Mr. David Baur if you have a reading comprehension problem.

On that same website, you will also see on the second page of the website, our RETURN  & REFUND POLICY for our dealers. Underneath that, it says REQUIRED READ BEFORE ORDERING. You should also notice on this same website there are no prices stated for our products nor is there any way to make a purchase of our products from this website. What this obviously translates to mean Mr. David Baur that even someone as dense as you should understand after reading what is stated on this website, that only a licensed dealer can purchase our products. You Mr. David Baur are not a licensed dealer to buy or sell our products, right ?

Now, lets take your false claims one at a time shall we :

You admit you had several conversations (actually emails) with Nancy of Grip This Motorcycle Products on ebay, right ? So that means it was her business that had the forward controls you wanted to purchase, right ? So by your own admission you were buying the forward controls from Grip This Motorcycle Products when Nancy REFERRED (your words) to Custom ChopperWerks, right ? Thats what you stated in your post, correct ? So since Ive shown and proven in the above stated paragraphs Custom ChopperWerks does not sell retail to the general public (which is you), and you admit communicating with Grip This Motorcycle Products several times, Grip This Motorcycle Products had to be the dealer you were making your purchase from, correct ? Otherwise, why would you communicate with Grip This Motorcycle Products at all ? Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. has a published telephone number. If you were making your purchase from Custom ChopperWerks why would you Mr. David Baur have contacted Nancy @ Grip This Motorcycle Products ? Doesnt make sense why you would be speaking to Grip This Motorcycle Products when you were buying the product from Custom ChopperWerks does it Mr.David Baur ? The only thing that makes sense here is you are lying and that you were buying the forward controls through Grip This Motorcycle Products.

You next false claim is, you were sent the wrong parts and they didnt match, right ? OK.......... lets look at the picture on the left you posted here on The Rip Off Report. At the top of that picture it shows a pair of our Magnum handlebar grips, a pair of our Magnum toe pegs, and a pair of our Magnum foot pegs, with attached pair of clevises (clevises are sold separately). This is the order that was sent to you first that you claim was the wrong order. IT WASNT THE WRONG ORDER BUT MORE ON THAT SHORTLY. All of these parts are the parts YOU MR. DAVID BAUR promised to send back to Custom ChopperWerks, remember ? In case you forgot Ive got the emails regarding your promise to send these parts back.

Now, lets examine those parts you first received but claimed were the wrong order. First, THEY ALL MATCH IN APPEARANCE. The handlebar grips, foot pegs, and toe pegs, are matching Magnum Busckshot style. So your claim they didnt match is a flat out lie.

As to your false claim Grip This Motorcycle Products sent you the wrong order. Ive attached a picture of the ebay ad in question by Grip This Motorcycle Products. You ordered our black  Buckshot Arm forward controls from Grip This Motorcycle Products. Attached is an exact picture of the black  Buckshot Arm forward controls in the Grip This Motorcycle Products ebay ad you made your purchase from. That picture shows the foot and toe pegs style for the black Buckshot Arm forward controls which you ordered to to be our Magnum Buckshot style foot and toe pegs. This is exactly what was sent to you in the first order you falsely claimed was wrong. It is also exactly what is shown by your own photo you posted here on The Rip Off Report Mr. David Baur. So........... you lied again. Be careful what you wish for Mr. David Baur, you wanted me to show you the ad you made your purchase from, you got it. You can even go to ebay and check out the Grip This Motorcycle Products ad yourself. It hasnt changed.

The truth is Grip This Motorcycle Products didnt send you the wrong style handlebar grips, foot and toe pegs at all. The truth is you changed your mind and saw our Sniper design handlebar grips, foot and toe pegs and wanted those and wanted Grip This Motorcycle Products to exchange them. Grip This Motorcycle Products informed you that they dont exchange parts which if you recall is stated on our Custom ChopperWerks website. That point in time, was when you were, in your words, "referred" to Custom ChopperWerks.

You then contact me at Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. whining about wanting to exchange your Magnum Buckshot style handlebar grips, foot and toe pegs, for our Sniper Buckshot style handlebar grips, foot and toe pegs. I explained to you that Custom ChopperWerks normally does not exchange parts already delivered to retail buyers. However, I agreed to exchange the parts and send out part (foot pegs) of the exchange order immediately if you Mr. David Baur would immediately return the parts you claimed were wrong on the first order.

Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. delivered on its promise. Mr. David baur lied and never to this day returned the parts he promised to send back. So, that was another lie by Mr. David Baur. The parts I sent Mr. David  Baur relying on his promise, were valued at $250.00 which Mr. David Baur never paid for. The second shipment of parts Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. sent to Mr. David Baur are shown mounted on the forward controls. This photo proves Mr. David Baur received the second shipment from Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. as I had promised.

How come the second order didnt match ? Because Custom ChopperWerks is not stupid enough to send more parts to Mr. David Baur worth $225.00 and lose more money since Mr. David Baur failed to send back the first order he promised to send back to Custom ChopperWerks and Mr. David Baur never paid for the $250.00 worth of additional parts Custom ChopperWerks had sent him.

Mr.David Baur...... you received your first order which was correct. Lied about the order being incorrect, then received an additional $250.00 worth of parts from Custom ChopperWerks you never paid for. That not only makes you a liar , but also a thief. In spite of that, you now have the nerve to come on The Rip Off Report and claim you were screwed by Custom ChopperWerks, Inc..

As for your claim they dont fit ? That is nothing but a ploy to try and force Custom ChopperWerks to send you the additional parts which we wont do. You never mentioned anything about fit until recently which is at least seven months after receiving them. We have sold over a thousand sets of Dyna Low Rider forward controls and they all fit properly. Mr. David Baur, you don't strike me as the sharpest tool in the shed the way you've been caught lying here. Check and see if maybe you tried installing the forward controls upside down or backwards. That is the only way those forward controls wouldn't fit.

You claim you sold them to someone that owns a Sportster ? Sorry, I dont believe that because those forward controls you have wont fit a Sportster.
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Awesome Nancy chimed in!

AUTHOR: dsproshop - (United States of America)

Hey Nancy let me get this right..........Grip This is and authorized dealer of CCW parts on Ebay Correct...............yes.............great show that ebay transaction then!!!! Go ahead prove me wrong...........Oh thats right you refered me to BOB the CON MAN.........Because I believe you have a heart and morals not to screw the public unlike your EX. I had very many pleasurable conversations with you before this whole thing went wrong and even during I got ahold of you and you even tried to get this fixed.

Like I said Nancy my complaint is not with you because the transaction did not go through you. If it did am positive that this would not be this way if I had dealt with you! And please dont feel that you have to defend bob because he knows he screwed me! but Like I said the parts have a new home  in dallas on a SPORSTER.........which by the way were the parts that were sent to me because the Master Cylinder hit the exhaust pipes on the dyna which on the Sporster the pipes route over the cam cover not around like the dyna!.......Did the reserch on it. Look at the pictures Nancy nothing matched that I ordered....toe pegs.......handgrips....to be excact. Nevermind the fact is they were not 2+ if they were we would never would have had an issue!

But Like I said I have no more connection to these parts yes I did loose alot of money but a small price to pay for the lesson I learned......

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Crook Robert Rowe of Custom Chopperwerks, Inc.

AUTHOR: Truth Maker - (United States of America)

Hey Robert Rowe, got a question for ya.  Why did you have to resort to deceiving Paypal and your credit card company?  Did you not think eventually your lies would not catch up?  Did you think you got away clean"  Yeah, you try to pin things on Curtis.  You're just scared and mad because Curtis won't pay your bill and take you off the hook.  Ouch!!!  I actually feel for ya bro!  That's because you're stupid - and you didn't cover your trail good enough.  Heck, you've been running victory laps about getting an extra $5K and it's just getting started.  Very slick to get a full refund in checks from my friend then, turn around and file a spoof charge back on your credit card.  Great manipulation.  In the short term, you looked good.  Oh, but there's that problem though with those cancelled checks traced to your account.  There's that bigger problem Curtis will see to it that you to pay in federal prison for every filthy lie that came out of your mouth.  Oh, you did one better and added an accomplice.  Tisk-tisk.  LOL!!!!!

You are stupid and broke and evidence is that you needed funding to pay off some people.  The law is slow I'll admit, but one thing for sure - you are a con artist going to federal prison for credit card fraud.  Really serves you right.  Wonder how many people you have ripped off?  When I look at all the blogs and ripoff reports form other people, you must wonder your time is limited.    You have zero credibility on any issue!!!! 

- Steve
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#7 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Curtis BROWN, TYCOON GROUP, FINANCIAL ADVISOR FRAUD, CURTIS BROWN USA, LLC, SCAM FINANCIAL ADVISOR, SWINDLES HIS OWN CLIENTS OUT OF MONEY, LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA, BEVERLY HILLS, CALIFORNIA, BANK FRAUD

AUTHOR: chopperwerks - (United States of America)

Curtis,

Since Curtis doesn't have the time to play with me you will ? LOL, LOL, LOL. Yeah right, Curtis.

That's another lie because Curtis Brown of Tycoon Group, LLC and Curtis Brown USA, LLC should have plenty of time since he has no business or job. Hey Curtis Brown, have you applied for unemployment ?

Hey Curtis, I think you misunderstood who's account was being closed. It certainly isn't mine. Since PayPal and the credit card company ruled against you in the amount of $5,000.00, which means you owe PayPal $5,000.00 which you can't afford to pay, it's a sure bet your PayPal account has been closed.

You sound like a broken record with your credit card fraud claim. LOL, LOL. Curtis, Einstein once defined insanity as "repeating the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. In this case, you keep repeating credit card fraud and the same result is it causes me to laugh.

You know what Curtis ? If you remove the brooms from your broom closet virtual office, You could sleep there at night instead of your car. It make take a little getting used to sleeping while standing up but politicians in Wash. D.C. do it all the time when they are supposed to be working.
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Robert Rowe Angry About Going to Prison Soon

AUTHOR: Truth Maker - (United States of America)

Hey Robert Rowe of Custom Chopperwerks, you are funny with your aliases and lies about Tycoon Group.  No wonder you have no credibility, like ruining your own reputation, afraid to take certified letters and the like. 

Well, since Curtis Brown doesn't have time to play with you, I will.  You love to talk, so talk, talk and talk. 

Guess you are not aware of what Paypal's legal is up to.  I bet you want your credit card fraud problem to go away.  Guess what?  It's not.  Not only that, your accounts are going to be closed in addition to going to
federal prison.  Steve
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#9 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Curtis BROWN, TYCOON GROUP, FINANCIAL ADVISOR FRAUD, CURTIS BROWN USA, LLC, SCAM FINANCIAL ADVISOR, SWINDLES HIS OWN CLIENTS OUT OF MONEY, LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA, BEVERLY HILLS, CALIFORNIA, BANK FRAUD

AUTHOR: chopperwerks - (United States of America)

Hey Curtis alias Steve,

Geez Curtis, you're up early this morning. I didn't think you fell out of bed, or should I say in your case, roll off your car seat until noon California time. LOL, LOL, LOL.

I don't need to use aliases like you do Curtis/ Steve. Actually, Nancy and I went to dinner last night at the Pho Cali Restaurant in Sarasota, Fl.. Great food. I don't post off my iphone as the keys are to small, so I used her IBook to reply to your last rant here on The Rip Off Report. Even an idiot like you should be able to see I never attempted to hide my identity and it was very obvious it was me responding. Did my response hit a nerve ? LOL, LOL, LOL.

Yeah............... it's got to be tough for you not being able to scam anyone now that you've been exposed. You know Curtis............ maybe you should go down to one of those pot shops they now have in California. It might help you to mellow out, so you don't have to go through the day pissed off at the world due to the fact you're now out $5,000.00 because of the PayPal/ credit card dispute you lost.

Hey Curtis........... had any luck getting that PayPal/ credit card dispute re-opened ? I bet you could really use that $5,000.00 you lost now that you are unemployed due to the fact your name is all over the internet as a fraud "investment adviser".

There's a rumor that your Curtis Brown USA, LLC new virtual office is actually a broom closet. Well............... that should help keep the overhead down.

Here is a suggestion that I have, and hopefully it helps. Now that your place of residence is your car, if you ever need to take a shower you can always use the truck stops. 
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Robert Rowe uses Alias of Crony Friend

AUTHOR: Truth Maker - (United States of America)

Hi Robert Rowe of Custom Chopperwerks.  What's the matter can't talk for yourself any more.  Walls closing in on ya?  Can't wait for your a** to go to federal prison for credit card fraud.  Steve
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#11 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Mr. David Baur and Curtis Brown

AUTHOR: Grip This - (United States of America)

Mr. David Baur and Mr. Curtis Brown,


David Baur, your purchase was through Grip This, Inc. NOT Custom ChopperWerks, Inc.. Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. only sells to licensed dealers and does not sell it's products retail to the general public such as you. So your claim against Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. is blatantly false and untruthful.

The order that was first sent to you was correct as I have the documentation of the order you placed. I have Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. drop ship all my orders as it speeds up the shipping process. That is why you saw their address on the shipping box. All my suppliers drop ship their products for Grip This Motorcycle Products.

Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. in the spirit of good customer relations even sent you additional items to replace the items you falsely claimed were incorrect. You promised to send the items you claimed were incorrectly shipped to you but you never did. You appear to be a very dishonest person. 

Now, as to your claim the Harley Davidson Dyna Low Rider forward controls Grip This, Inc. sent you don't fit ? That is just not true at all. Grip This, Inc. has sold in excess of 200 sets of forward controls for the Harley Davidson Dyna Low Rider and ALL OF THEM FIT PERFECTLY. We have NEVER had a set of forward controls returned and that is for any reason. These forward controls by Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. we sell are of the highest quality money can buy. Grip This Motorcycle Products sells on ebay and our business rating on ebay is 100%. 

I am sorry the situation has turned out the way it has, and that you felt you had to direct your false accusations at Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. and Grip This, Inc.. However, there is not one word of truth in your false accusations.

Mr. Curtis Brown, I have spoken to Bob Rowe of Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. and he has informed me of the background information regarding you, your businesses Tycoon Group, LLC and Curtis Brown USA, LLC.

Grip This, Inc. is a dealer of Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. products and is owned by me ONLY not Custom ChopperWerks, Inc.. For you to come on this forum and slander and commit defamation with lies against my business is outrageous.

Mr. Rowe of Custom ChopperWerks, Inc.. sent me documents that show you steal money from your own clients. I also understand there is a criminal investigation going on against you. Good, people like you belong in jail.

One other point that needs to be addressed. Robert Rowe of Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. has never been arrested. I'm familiar with the incident as all Custom ChopperWerks's dealer are of the incident you have twisted and lied about. A crook such as yourself in the northern part of Florida, attempted to file a false police report in an attempt to avoid arrest for grand theft of almost a $100,000.00 of Custom ChopperWerks's property. This crook was arrested and no charges or arrest of Mr. Rowe took place. So your accusations regarding Mr. Rowe's arrest are all lies which you seem to enjoy creating.

Mr. Rowe has informed me about your credit card dispute with Mr. Rowe of $5,000.00 you lost Mr. Curtis Brown when you attempted to steal $5,000.00 from Mr. Rowe. Serves you right for being the crook that you are. Con men like you belong in jail.

Nancy Loucareas, Pres.
Grip This Motorcycle Products 
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#12 REBUTTAL Owner of company

David Bower has a problem with the truth

AUTHOR: chopperwerks - (United States of America)

David Baur,

Are you really that dense, or do you have some type of mental defect that you can't comprehend anything written to you ? Try reading slower, or better yet have someone read this to you and explain what it says.

Have you ever heard the axiom.. to big a word for you. Have you ever heard the old saying a picture is worth a thousand words ? Doers that ring a bell, Dave ?

The picture you posted confirms the following :

a. All the parts that match (grips, foot pegs w/ clevises, toe pegs) on the towel at the top of picture on the left are the parts that were shipped to you on the first order (Order #1) you claimed was incorrect (it wasn't). These are the exact same parts you promised to send back or return if we shipped you the additional parts you requested that you wanted exchanged. You never returned these parts which the photo you posted confirms.

b. Picture #2 on the right shows some of the parts you requested (foot pegs w/clevises and toe pegs) which have been installed on the forward controls. These parts were sent to you on 07/20/12 and you NEVER paid for these parts. I've attached the shipping receipts and confirmation numbers for both shipments #1 and #2 sent to you.

c. We did not send you anything else you requested to exchange, because you NEVER sent back the parts from order #1 as you had promised to do. That translates to mean you cheated Grip This, Inc. and Custom ChopperWerks out of $250.00 because you NEVER paid anything for the parts we sent in the second shipment. It also explains why you are missing matching parts which we refused to send to you when you didn't return the first shipment of parts we sent.

d. We drop ship our products for our dealers when they request it. Most manufacturers do this. That is why our address is on the box, stupid.

e. David, you avoided the question and I understand why you wouldn't want to answer regarding the fit of the forward controls. If the forward controls didn't fit your low rider motorcycle as you claim, why would you sell them to some unsuspecting buyer on Craigslist ? Can you answer that ? I didn't think so.  Like I stated, there are only two possibilities here. You are lying, and the forward controls did fit your low rider, or you are willing to cheat someone on Craigslist by selling them something they wanted but you knew wouldn't work. As I said previously, neither one says much of your ethics and integrity which is nonexistent, and you call me a con man ? That's funny.

As I stated, you lied about sending the parts back and you lied to the Florida Better Business Bureau. That makes it very easy to figure out the truth on what really transpired.

Has the light bulb come on for you yet David ? ?
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#13 Author of original report

Once again Photo proof of a con man

AUTHOR: dsproshop - (United States of America)

Really you cant be that dumb...No matching Toe Pegs....No hand Grips...yeah ok everything is here...NOT...God I would love to live in your fantasy land there cinderella!

Your absolutely correct i did sell them actually shipped them out this morning to a gentleman who has a SPORTSTER you dip s*** read the comments...I did your leg work and found out you sent me SPORTSTER forward controls....for the love of god get that thru your crooked con man thief head!!!

But this just solidifies my point...LIVING RENT FREE IN YOUR HEAD..knowing that you are worried about every word I type! ! ! CON MAN THIEF! ! !

If i may quote you in your first meaningless rant....Try telling the truth. First, Grip This, Inc. one of our dealers sent you the correct parts NOT the wrong parts. Grip This, Inc. did nothing wrong. 

You with me so far....LOOK AT PICTURE of First shipment I recieved on 6/27/12 note after parts were paid for and ordered on 3/27/12 Take note of the return address and who it was shipped from....GOTTA LOVE PHOTO PROOF to a LIE there CON MAN! ! !
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#14 REBUTTAL Owner of company

David Baur, proves my point

AUTHOR: chopperwerks - (United States of America)

David Baur.

Thank you for proving my point. Your pictures show the first set of foot pegs which are the "Magnum" foot and toe pegs which you claimed were the wrong order and that you promised to send back. The Magnum passenger and forward control foot pegs, are layed out on the floor in your picture. You installed the Magnum toe pegs which you can see attached to the forward controls. They all MATCH. Again, these are the parts you promised to return, but never did.

The $250.00 worth of replacement parts we sent you which you never paid for, can be seen in your picture mounted on the forward controls. They are our Sniper foot pegs. We sent these out which are Sniper foot pegs with clevises. We did NOT send you the Sniper toe pegs which would have made the Sniper set match because we never received the parts back you promised to return. So the mismatch is due to your own dishonesty in not returning the parts you promised to return.

So when you post we sent you parts that didn't match, that simply isn't true. We weren't sending you anymore parts until you returned the parts you claimed were the wrong order that you promised to send back.

Like I said David Baur, sorry, Mr. David Baur....... try telling the truth. The bottom line is you lied to me and stole our products without paying for them, you lied to the Florida Better Business Bureau which was why your claim was dismissed.

Now you want to falsely accuse my business of causing your problems when it was your own conduct that caused your problems.

I'm curious about one thing......you claim the forward controls didn't fit your low-rider, right ? You also claim you sold the forwards controls you purchased from our dealer Grip This, off of Craigslist, correct. So..... if these forward controls truly didn't fit as you claim, then why would you sell them to someone by deceiving them if you really knew they didn't fit ? That only leaves two answers to that question. The forwrd controls did fit your low-rider and you are lying, or........ you are willing to deceive someone by selling them a set of forward controls that don't fit.

Either answer, proves you are an extremely dishonest person, David Baur. Again, thank you for posting the pictures as you just shot yourself in the foot, which quite frankly, makes you look pretty stupid.
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#15 Author of original report

WOW! ! ! Show them SHipping recipts! ! !

AUTHOR: dsproshop - (United States of America)

Ok con man keep telling yourself that you are innocent here.........im glad you looked at the pictures did you see anything wrong............NOTHING MATCHED YOU JACKA**! ! !  Hence I recieved the WRONG PARTS! ! ! Lets bring up that it takes a months or 2 to get you to answer your phone to get issues resolved the las conversation we had if you can remember Mr Dementia was in Sept of 12 when you said you were going to call me to measure the mounting pads because the dyna had 2 settings for the forward controls..........which is also a bullshit story because i did the leg work on the parts CON MAN you sent me froward controls for a Sporster which have a different exhaust routing than the big twin Mr Motorcycle guy even your dumbass should have know this Mr im an aircraft engineer.......... wouldn't want to fly in any plane you worked on! ! !Its clearly obvious you have bigger fish to fry there CON MAN with this new light of Credit Card Fraud..............I guess that falls in line with the Grand Theft ordeal huh.........falsely accused right............Bottom line id your junk sold and is on its way to a new home to deal with yeah i lost 335$ on it but hey you and your JUNK are out of my hair..................


Oh BY THE WAY..............I love living rent free right between your ears because it seems as to every post I make your right on claiming to be the victim in this situation..............so I just may stay a little while to keep you on your toes and wasting your time worrying about what im saying about you  that so untrue right..............you and your business are a joke you SCAM ARTIST CON MAN THIEF! ! !

Like I said anyone interested in the emails I have all of them saved!!! Someone who lies does this right Mr ROWE(con man)
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#16 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Curtis Brown alias "truthmaker"

AUTHOR: chopperwerks - (United States of America)

Curtis,

I don't have any problems at all. You're the one under criminal investigation for stealing at least $10,000.00 from two innocent clients of yours through interstate bank fraud.

As for this false complaint by David Baur. He posted the pictures of the additional $250.00 worth of parts we sent him he didn't pay for along with the new parts he promised to return but didn't. He is a scammer too.

Curtis, you two would get along great.

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#17 Consumer Comment

Robert Rowes Cons Yet Another Person

AUTHOR: Truth Maker - (United States of America)

Robert Rowe I'd Say from all I'm reading and hearing you've got big problems.  Serves you right!
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#18 REBUTTAL Owner of company

David Baur, again try tellin g the truth

AUTHOR: chopperwerks - (United States of America)

David Baur,

You continue to whine and make false accusations but you fail to mention you stole $250.00 worth of parts we sent you that you NEVER paid for. So it looks like the con man here is David Baur.

The right parts were sent to you through Grip This Motorcycle products. Our telephone number is posted there to answer technical questions regarding our products. Other dealer post our our telephone number also. Look up Grip This, Inc. with the State of Florida Sercretary of State Division of Corporations. You will see there Robert Rowe or Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. does not have any ownership in Grip This, Inc..

Now as to this garbage in your claim they didn't fit your low-rider. We sell to Harley Davidson dealers. Before that is allowed our products must be inspected by them to confirm they work with their products. Our products fit ALL Harley Davidsons including Dyna Low Rider FX frames. ALL years. We have NEVER had our forward controls fail to fit a Dyna Low Rider. So much for your false claim.

It's very obvious from your latest rant that you aren't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed Mr. David Baur. Your business is not the kind of business Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. or our dealers want to be quite honest.

The fact you sold them along with the additional $250.00 worth of parts we sent you that you never paid for speaks volumes regarding your honesty.
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#19 Consumer Comment

Robert Rowe of Custom Choppwerks Commits Credit Fraud

AUTHOR: Tycoon Group LLC - (United States of America)

Robert Rowe you didn't like my services so, I gave you a full refund - yet that wasn't good enough.  You told paypal you were not refunded.  Unfortunately, I didn't have all the proof with the cancelled checks in time to counter you bald face lies.  Now I do and I have sent those traced checks directly to your credit card company and paypal.  My bank says in you're in a serious bad situation.  Ultimately, you cheated paypal and you cheated your own credit card company, just so you can look good!  You got an extra $5K that you gave to your accomplice.  You're just a midget idiot going to federal prison for up to 10 years.  You love fighting everyone and bringing calamity to yourself.  You're seriously sick and have zero credibility.  You deserve to go back to jail. 

Tycoon Group
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#20 Author of original report

And its Mr BAUER Dumbass

AUTHOR: dsproshop - (United States of America)

Yeah yeah yeah keep playing the inocent one there CON MAN.........To all that reads this just google search Custom Chopper Werks and see just how many people he has SCREWED out of parts and Money.............Oh yeah to add I offered to send back the parts several times and was told that no shipment would be accepted from me so.........what else was I supposed to do..........nevermind being told that i was to keep the parts till my order was correct.............so lets see Grip This contact information goes straight to ROBERT ROWE wow just happens to be the owner of CCW. Yeah he will feed a bunch of bullshit about how his ex wife, a divorce decree, but hey im divorced too and my ex wife has nothing to do with my business nor do I open accounts in my name for her to generate income from..............He really thinks the public is STUPID!
 
First hole in his story is the parts I ordered were to fit a 2005 FXDL............well they do not fit a 2005 dxdl so as far as me getting the correct parts .............I want some of what your smoking Mr Rowe you need to get off the Pipe and get on some Dimentia Meds cause you sir suffer from CRS CANT REMEMBER s**t! ! !

Second hole in his story is that I lied to the BBB.........well they have all the documents and I was told that they could not get me a resolution with the company which means the company CCW refused to settle the complaint.............Nevermind the fact Mr Rowe openly admitted to having a well know aquaintance with the case worker whom had the complaint i filed her name is Tawnia Yovanovich...........Futher more CCW is not and has never been a Credited business with the BBB.

I wish I could attach pictures of what he so called correct parts.........Hand Grips did not match, toe pegs did not match, Lets not forget the main problem was that they did not even fit the bike i orderd them for..............
 
Anyone wants to see pictures email me @ dsproshop at the aol type with title Chopper Werks Con Man I will send you a few emails also of how this so called business man talkes to his customers! All I can say is hes a real piece of work and as of today I am happy to announce that the Pile of scrap alluminum was sold on craigslist so I will have no futher contact with Mr Rowe or his puppett Josh!
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#21 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Not true David Baur, try telling the truth

AUTHOR: chopperwerks - (United States of America)

David,

Try telling the truth. First, Grip This, Inc. one of our dealers sent you the correct parts NOT the wrong parts. Grip This, Inc. did nothing wrong. 

You contacted Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. after several months of having the forward controls and asked if we would exchange the parts that were sent originally with an additional $250.00 worth of new parts you requested. I agreed to send out immediately the $250.00 worth of new parts to you relying on the promise you would return the parts you claimed were wrong. You received the $250.00 worth of new parts you never paid for and you never returned the parts you promised to return. So the bottom line is you've cheated Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. out of $250.00 which I have the shipping receipts for.

You even attempted to extort more parts out of us by filing a false report with the Florida Better Business Bureau. When I presented the evidence of what had really transpired the Florida Better Business Bureau dismissed you bogus complaint.

You have since emailed me several times with all kinds of threats. The bottom line is Custom ChopperWerks, Inc. is not sending you anything else after you lied to us and stole $250.00 worth of our parts without paying for them. In addition, don't give me this garbage the forward controls didn't fit. Harley Davidson has used our products for years and we have sold with no installation problems around one thousand low-rider (FX frames) forward controls. The other fact is you've had these forward controls for almost a year and now you complain about the fit for the first time. Right. Like I said, you get nothing out of us.
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