I only wish I had known about this web site six months ago, it would have saved me $20,000 and alot of Anquish. So here is the story so far.
Last summer I heard their advertising on Rush Limbaugh's radio program. In October I saw their advertisement on TV. I called and spoke to a Joyce Health and ordered the information package. I then checked the references, checked with BBB, checked with the state of Florida and other normal business checks. My intent was to set this up for my two daughters to run and for them to get extra income.
The end of October a Sandy Gold got a hold of me and they were running a promotional on double the cards. I was having my knee replaced so I put it on hold. The end of November, Jay Maine got ahold of me and offered the same deal. I was at my daughters for Thanksgiving, talked it over with them, and wired them $14915 on November 29th. Jay said I should have the 3 units by December 15 for the Christmas rush and to call him anytime.
December 15th came and no units. I called for Jay, was given Harvey Wall and he said they should go real soon and he would e-mail a tracking number. Called the 22nd of December and again Harvey said they were behind on orders because of a surge of orders. Low & behold Bill Judd called me, said there had been a cancellation because of a divorce and they were trying to unload 15 units, would give me a special price of $1850 and that would be my price from now on. Thought it over and on the 29th of December wired $5550 for three more; total of 6 with $20465 invested.
Was assured by Bill Judd they should be in our hands around the 7th of January. 7th comes, call for Bill Judd or Jay Maine, get Harvey; production still behind will move me up, hopefully out real soon. 15th of January, call for Bill or Jay or Jack Gordon, President, get Harvey. Status not clear yet, units that were cancelled were damaged and needed to be repaired, got a cold chill up my back. Basically called every other day, ended up with Harvey and got a line every time.
On Jan 26, 2004, 60 days after first order notified them of cancelling order per terms of the purchase order. If you don't receive in 45 days, can cancel and get money back. Got song and dance from Harvey that everything needs to be in writing and customer relations is looking into complaint. Asked if I could talk to someone is customer relations was told no. Filed complaint with BBB of Southeast Flordia. On Feb 3 notified them again that I wanted my money back.
On Feb 10 flew to Florida. Found out corporate address was a small office with mail drop and no one there, 3475 Sheridan St, Hollywood, Florida. Found them at Sunshine Processing on 11900 Biscayne Blvd, Suite 699. Asked for Joyce, Jack, Jay, Bill, ended up with Harvey. Wouldn't let me pass reception area. Gave me song and dance. Went back to Corporate address, no one there. Filed report with Hollywood, Police Dept. Went back to Corporate address, no one there, called for Jack Gordon, President, got Harvey and left him a message that I want my d**n money.
Received notice in mail that corporate offices have moved to 14895 NE 20th AVe, North Miami and there is a new President, Bill Martin. Called asked for Bill, got Harvey and was told complaint had been turned over to their company attorney. Asked for attorney's particular's and wouldn't give it to me. When I was originally in Florida in early February, got ahold of a private detective.
Let me tell you these people are professionals at what they do, scamming to the highest degree. They are lower than a bucket of whale s**t. Guess what, through the Flordia Attorney General, Florida Dept of Consumer Affairs, Florida Dept of Law Enforcement, Federal Trade Commission, US Postal Service Fraud Division, FBI and the IRS things are going to change.
The connection between DCA, Tele-King, World Wide Phone Cards, Americard, Intellicall and possibly a new one called CAsh Link and Bill Martin, Shevin Goodman, Richard Goodman, Cary Krugly, Jack Gordon, Joyce Health, Jay Maine, Bill Judd and Harvey Wall are alled linked in one way or another. The company's will be gotten after and the individuals who played a part in this.
I would obviously not be a good reference and would encourage anyone who has been scammed to contact the above agencies and anyone else to not listen to them. Also, somehow the references have disappeared but there names are there also. There new offices in North Miami are near the ice rink in a strip center with bars on the windows. I didn't realize there was that many people with a lack of conscience but that is my fault.
Don't try and think like a business person in dealing with them, they will lead you on totally. I more than willing to discuss with others who have been scammed, hopefully sooner than later
Rapid City, South Dakota
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