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Complaint Review: Designers International scentura creations

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  • Submitted: Thu, May 05, 2011
  • Updated: Thu, May 15, 2014

  • Reported By: AMANDA — aravada Colorado United States of America
Designers International scentura creations
murphy bedford, Texas United States of America

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*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Come and kick peoples asses?

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Morally Bankrupt People

*General Comment: Entrepreneur

*Consumer Comment: Hard working business owner

*Consumer Comment: Genuine Opportunity

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Scentura resulted me in paying excess fines

*Consumer Comment: Think Twice

*Consumer Suggestion: An objective point of view

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DESIGNERS INTERNATIONAL DESIGNERS INTERNATIONAL DESIGNERS INTERNATIONAL!!!

I found these two post under different names. lol
 
I WAS RECENTLY LAID OFF AND I WAS LOOKING FOR WORK, I CAME ACROSS AN AD IN THE PAPER FOR SOMETHING THAT SAID "REDBULL". AND PROMISED 500+ A WEEK IN AN UPBEAT ENVIRONMENT. I CALLED, WENT IN FOR AN INTERVIEW WITH A MAN NAMED ROB ZUCKERT. I WAS THEN TOLD TO GO HOME WAIT FOR A CALL AN HOUR LATER. I GOT THE CALL AND WENT IN THE NEXT DAY FOR A SECOND INTERVIEW. WEHN I GOT THERE THEY WERE PLAYING THIS CRAPPY BULLS**T HIP HOP GARBAGE, AND EVERYONE SEEMED TO BE JACKED ON COKE, I THOUGHT PEOPLE WERE GOING TO START DOING BACK FLIPS IT WAS SO UPBEAT. I ENTERED A ROOM FILLED WITH

FEW MINUTES LATER AND ROB ZUCKERT, A SO CALLED MILLIONAIRE CAME IN THE ROOM PREACHING LIKE SOME WASHED UP TELEMARKETING SAP YOU SEE ON LATE NIGHT LOW BUDGET TV. HE WAS TALKING ABOUT SOME A** CLOWN LARRY HAHN, THEN GAVE US THE IN'S AND THE OUT'S OF THE COMPANY CALLED SCENTURA CREATIONS AND TOLD US WE WOULD BE IN A 5 WEEK TRAINING PROGRAM FOR A BRANCH MANAGER POSITION AT OUR OWN OFFICE IN A SELECT AREA OF CHICAGO LAND. AFTER SEVERAL HOURS OF LISTENING TO THIS HORSE HOCKEY FROM ROB AND THIS OTHER LITTLE B**ITCH OF A MAN WITH GLASSES WHOM TALKED LIKE A GAY VERSION OF QUINTEN TARINTINO HYPED UP ON CRACK AND DIET PEPSI, I FIGURED I WOULD COME BACK THE NEXT DAY JUST TO SEE WHAT KIND OF FLYING BULLS**T THEY COULD FEED ME NEXT.

THE NEXT DAY WAS JUST THE SAME, LOUD CRAPPY MUSIC, CHEAP SMELLING PERFUME AND THE PURE FACT THAT EVERYONE WAS BUYING INTO THIS S**T WAS JUST AMAZING, I LOOKED AROUND THE ROOM AND EVERYONE LOOKED LIKE SHEEP PLUGGED INTO A LARGE BULLS**T FEEDING MACHINE. IT WAS PURELY RIDICULOUS, YOUR NOTES SUCKED, YOUR BULLSHIT ATTITUDE CHECKS MADE EVERYONE LOOK LIKE MICHAEL JACKSON WITH PALSY AND YOU WILL SUFFER IN THE END, KARMA IS A B**CH, ROB AND RICKI ZUCKERT AND THE REST OF YOU SO CALLED SUCCESSFULL A**HOLES WILL ROT IN HELL, YOU ARE ALL EVIL PEOPLE, SUCCESS COMES WITH GOODNESS, NOT BY STEALING PEOPLES TIME AND MONEY, YOU F**KING VAPIRE C**K SUCKERS, I REPORTED YOUR A**ES TO THE BBB ALL OVER THE PLACE AND YOU WILL SOON BE POOR.


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#1 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Come and kick peoples asses?

AUTHOR: Owner - ()

Oscar,

  Your B.S. is laughable!!  You have never met me nor my wife!  You have never even walked into my office nor any of my promotions offices.  You state you walked into my office in 1990 in Lombard, Il., but in August of 1990, I started training in Northern Calif. From 1982 until 1990, I was the Sprint coach at Chaparral High School in Arizona where I helped to nurture more State Track champions who are now upstanding contributors to their respective communities then you can possibly imagine!  I also ran a fitness and racquet club full time during this period.  I did not move to "Elmhurst, Il" until 2004.  I moved to Il. in 2004, so my daughter could be raised around family.    My home was built at 15W221 Lexington St.  I moved there from Hoover, AL., where I lived from 1994 until 2004.  I built my first home at 449 Eaton Rd. in Hoover.  We were an A+ company with the BBB.  You can google the BBB in Alabama and look up our business (Designers International) for proof.  You can also google it in the BBB of Chicago.  I prefer not to work with the BBB of DFW, by choice, as they are not a local organization that I want to support.  I am not willing to pay 600$ for the purpose of "buying the rating"!  The BBB is a for profit company and is regulated by employees that work at the organization within a particular city..Perhaps Google "BBB" or Better Business Bureau and see the negative publicity that they attract.  Back to my trail: We then built a bigger home at 1395 Lake Trace Ln. in Hoover.  We moved to Texas because we knew we would not want to retire in the Chicagoland area.  We elected to move while our children were young enough to establish themselves in the DFW area.  The people you are referring to in your diatribe is a couple named Dick and Gayle, who retired from the business in the mid '90's with tremendous financial wealth!  Get your B.S. straight!  Do not involve my wife or myself nor my business in your lame reference to the so called "2? day experience" you seem to remeber so vividly that was with someone else's company.  Really?  You even remember something like your experience from 2 days of learning 24 years ago and are this bitter about it? If you have such a great recollection and you actually were in the business for those 2 days, you would know who "Long" is, as he was a promotion of Dick and Gayle's in 1990, and therefore, was training at their Lombard location!! Oh crap, caught you in your B.S. again!!   You, my friend, need to get better and more prosperous things going on in your life!  My wife and I do this business with 101% effort and committment and offer the chance to others who do not see working for others the rest of their life as their key to success.  We provide the training, wisdom, resources, encouragement and the opportunity to make money while learning. With the contribution of our supplier, we remove the last hurdle that most people have in starting their own business, lack of capital!  What we do is well respected and well regarded by many, many people.   Lastly, I challenge you to put your current and correct contact info. on here!!

   To the first person who put a negative review about me and my business:  You have been smokin' that Colorado weed!  We have never, ever lived in Denver/Aurora, CO. nor have I ever promoted any of my managers to run a location in Colorado!  

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#2 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Morally Bankrupt People

AUTHOR: OscarO - ()

I can't believe how people rush to the defense of this pseudo-pyramid scheme. They are either willfully blind or have no moral compass.

Designers International, xxx Management, Blah-Blah Enterprises, whatever incarnation it is at any given moment, are all connected to either Scentura or World Perfume. Their recruiting practices are misleading, dishonest and unethical. People considering this "opportunity" - please read the negative comments here and on other complaint sites. I cannot vouch for individual experiences and unique horror stories, but be assured that the "business model" is always the same.


The defenders of this scheme always try to emphasize that this is a "business opportunity".   I have yet to see a single one of their ubiquitous "Management Trainee" classified ads state this in print.


The defenders of this scheme always state that "it's not for everyone".   Correct.  It’s not for anyone who wants to sleep soundly at night and be able to pay their bills.

 

The whole system is based on lies. The recruits are lied to and misled before they even walk in the door. They are then trained to lie to prospective customers. If they lie long enough and well enough, they get to open their own office, become a Chief Liar and perpetuate the scam.


The defenders of the system insist that it's not a pyramid scheme.  Bull.  Sure, the recruits don't directly shell out money up front, but what about the fuel spent driving around during "training" for 6-8+ weeks?  What about the initial "practice" sales to friends, family, the starter kits, etc?


The fact is that this system requires a constant influx of new recruits to replace the bright ones who leave almost immediately.  In fact, if it weren't for the "new blood" continually coming into the office it would close.  This is the definition of a pyramid scheme and was found to be such: "In 2001, the Illinois Appellate Court ruled that the contract between Scentura and Long (office owner) was a "pyramid sales scheme", violated the law and was unenforceable under the Consumer Fraud and Deceptive Business Practices Act."

 

The year is 2014.  I put up with 2 days of this bullshit back in 1990.  It’s still going on.  Rob & Ricki Zuckert were the owners of the Illinois office I blundered into.  They move around the country quite a bit, it seems – currently operating as “Wholesale Texas Fashion” on Facebook.  If you had a successful business, with a quality product and an effective sales force why would it be necessary to move several hundred miles from your previous location every 2-3 years?

 

Job-seekers, do yourselves a favor and run from this “opportunity”. 

 

Defenders of the Scam, please don’t attack someone who is trying to save others from unnecessary grief and disappointment.  Besides, if I can identify you and you’re anywhere within 100 miles of my location I’ll come drag you out of your respective parent’s basements and kick your asses.

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#3 General Comment

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AUTHOR: Entrepreneur 742 - (United States of America)

I just want to ask a couple questions,.

in all the comments & postings i find, about being successful in this buisness,. for people working for Rob or Designer's inc,.

Why doesn't anyone explain how long it took to actually get your office up and running after training?,.  or how many offices they have opened,. it almost seems like they're still currently seeking to open up their first office,.

you said you've been running your office for 6 years?.. if they say you get your own office after 9 weeks for avg person,.    you should have quite of few other offices up by now right?
 
and you say you've known rob for 6-7 years,.

roughly about how many offices does he have up and running?,.

and why is this company not rated by the BBB?,.
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#4 Consumer Comment

Hard working business owner

AUTHOR: waygal - (United States of America)

I see reports of people who feel mislead by owners of these independent distribution centers that get supplied by Scentura Creations... I have been part of the opportunity for 7 years... I have personally met each one of the regional and divisional managers who have passed the opportunity on to others... In fact, Rob and Ricki are two of the most hard working and honest people I have EVER met... They have been a direct positive influence in my life, for seven years now... When I hear people who really don't even know them, post judgement on them based off of 2 days, is silly to me..(politely said)!!

I started with a preliminary interview with the company, like EVERYONE does.  I Went through a final selection process, like EVERYONE does, and was excited after being explained what the opportunity consists of!!  I understood that with hard work, ambition, a positive attitude and committment, I was going to be able to manage a location of my own...  GUESS WHAT!!! it's ALL TRUE!!  

I am supplied the inventory at no investment up front, WHY? because I am entrusted with it and the money that it makes once moved..... Isn't that the point of business? to sell merchandise or a service? So once the inventory is sold, one needs to be responsible with the finances it makes, including the cost of merchadise to Scentura Creations.  

Oh and by the way, I DEFINATELY didn't have the credit, cash or investment needed to start up my own business.  Solely on the companies expense,  I was supplied, the education(training), inventory(fragrances), location(office) and the furniture to operate it!!!  

Long story short, I believed in the opportunity ROB and RICKI offered.  Yes, i worked my ASS off for it, which right there people aren't willing to do, especially in these times of days where hand outs are expected....   And I have been running my own location for over 6 years!!!  EVERTHING THEY SAID WOULD HAPPEN,,, DID!!!!  I appreciate Rob and Ricki on more than a business level, and am grateful for not prejudging them based off of what OTHERS feel after only just meeting them once and only knowing their name, NOT THEM!!
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#5 Consumer Comment

Genuine Opportunity

AUTHOR: AndyRod2906 - (United States of America)

I came to the realization that if youve done what youve always been doing, youll get what you always gotten. I've worked for a company for I dont know how long, doing the same grind, and dont have much to show for it. Ultimately I realized that my lifes goals were not compatible with my cubicle.

I want to take vacations to places I want to go. Not just one of those once-in-a-lifetime, Im breaking the bank to go on this vacation, but the ones I can take where I can go and visit anytime I wanted to. Management wasnt in the cards for me at my previous jobs, either because of lack of experience or corporate politics.

I answered the ad, and at first I was a bit skeptical: Looking for entry level management positions, no experience necessary, will train. I picked up the phone and was surprised that the receptionist booked me for an interview without much of a fight. Normally Id have to twist a receptionist arm to get me an interview, talk to human resources, etc.

I have to admit, I wasnt sure if this was for me. The business model was unorthodox, but something told me to take a chance. Obviously what I was doing before wasnt getting the results that I wanted - time to make a change.

They were going to train me how to run my own business from all aspects, from the marketing of their product, to the administrative and accounting work. What they needed from me were some basic traits: a strong work ethic, able to push myself, and humility.

The business, while run a little differently, offers the benefits of owning your own business without many of the pitfalls, such as the need for direct capital investment. The people I work with are genuinely excited about where they're going, instead of dreading the next day.

Youll still have to work hard no matter what, and be willing to accept that the path to true success is one that may seem odd, but the growth potential isn't.
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#6 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Scentura resulted me in paying excess fines

AUTHOR: amurkerson - (United States of America)

A year ago, I lived in Charleston SC, and like others feel to the scam of Scentura Perfume Creations or whatever its called. I had to job interviews that day and had to pick one over the other. I asked the lady if it involved sales at Scentura she said yes but I would be paid bi weekly at minimum wage. I went their and sat through all the presentations and "interviews". I then fell into the scam and started selling perfume, door to door and in parking lots. Did you know that you have to have a business license and a permit to do this? Did Scentura give me one? The answer is no, I was in the ritzy part of town going from boutique shop to boutique shop attempting to sell my perfume, when the cops were called on me. They demanded a business license I called my boss Ryan and Jenn they told me that I was on my own. I had to pay two hundred dollars in fees and go to court. This is illegal what they make you do, and it is embarassing anyone with any sense would not sell for this company or buy from them.
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#7 Consumer Comment

Think Twice

AUTHOR: AndyRod2906 - (United States of America)

I would advise anyone reading this complaint to think twice about how credible it is.

It's a shame this site allows someone to post these kind of long-winded, unprofessional, and slanderous remarks about a business that they had dealings with for a day or two.

If you're used to working with people that hate their job, I guess when you see people who actually enjoy what they do, and take pride in the fact that they're providing an above average opportunity to average people, they might seem "jacked up on coke."

Designers International is for real, they provide a great training program and a legitimate chance at a career.  You don't pay a dime, you work hard in training for 2 or 3 months, and then you get your shot.
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#8 Consumer Suggestion

An objective point of view

AUTHOR: NickBrunson - (United States of America)

This is Nick Brunson, web-admin for Scentura Creations. Unfortunately, it seems theres a lot of negativity and false information circulating the internet regarding Scentura, and I think its based mostly on peoples misunderstanding of the
Scentura Opportunity. I thought Id post something brief that would help make things clear.

First of all, Scentura Creations is a manufacturer and supplier of rendition fragrances. They distribute their product line to Independent Wholesale Business owners throughout the U.S. Theyre unique in that they provide merchandise without any capital outlay to these Independent Wholesale Distributors , meaning they dont pay Scentura until after theyve sold the
merchandise. This is key because it removes a huge barrier of entry into business Inventory costs.

Second, the sales model used by most independent businesses that sell Scenturas products is that of Direct Selling. Its a business to business, face-to-face sales strategy that has worked for over 35 years. Its not glamorous, and its probably not for everyone, but it just works.

Last, and most importantly, Scentura doesn't ask you to invest any money, it's not a franchise, it's not a pyramid or multi-level marketing business, there's nothing to purchase, there are no sign-up fees.  The only thing required from you is your time and hard work, and youll get a chance to run your own business. How many companies out there are willing to offer that?

It probably sounds too good to be true, but it makes sense when you understand Scentura's incentive: It's a Win-Win scenario for everyone. You get a chance to own your own business, and Scentura gains a new customer, which means more volume. If Scentura only dealt with individuals who had hundreds of thousands of dollars to invest, they'd be waiting a long time, especially in this economy. So they're willing to take all the financial risk.

Again, this is not for everyone, but the opportunity is definitely real, and many owners have gone on to make six-figure incomes running their own businesses that sell Scentura's products.

Please visit the following website dedicated to new business owners that answered the ad and started just like everyone else: 

www.RookieOwners.com

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If youd like to read more about Scentura Creations, please visit the following sites:

www.ScenturaCreations.com

www.TruthAboutScenturaCreations.com

www.Larry-Hahn.com

If you have any further complaints, please direct them to pr@scenturacreations.com

Thank you.
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