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  • Submitted: Sun, April 06, 2008
  • Updated: Tue, April 22, 2008

  • Reported By:Berkshire Other
Discovery Beach Australia UK / Australia
The Mint, 63 Pioneer Drive, Banora Point, NSW, Australia Tweed Heads NSW, Australia
  • Phone: 006-1761300762502
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  • Category: Liars

Chris Barrell & Bernard O'Brien Of Discovery Beach Australia UK Fraudulent, Misleading Information, Broken Promises, Lies Tweed Heads New South Wales

*Consumer Comment: I thought there was something strange about these guys.

*Consumer Comment: I thought there was something strange about these guys.

*Consumer Comment: I thought there was something strange about these guys.

*Consumer Comment: I thought there was something strange about these guys.

*Consumer Comment: Other "Success Stories" ..Three Cheers for Rip Off Report

*Author of original report: Discovery Beach Australia, Fraudulent, Misleading Information, Broken Promises, Lies, Tweed Heads, NSW, Austrlia

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The company of money school had been in research and development for almost seven years when I met chris barrell of discovery beach australia (dba) at a respectable business lunch in swindon, wiltshire on the 2nd July 2005.

I was cautious about giving comments about my publishing project; barrell, had said, '...we have successfully worked on education products before.'

I did as much research as I could about the 'cleanliness' of dba and they seemed to be 'flawless' at the time. I also asked some australian based people to check the dba out, again, they came up clean.

I then bought a copy of the cd for 399.00 and filled in over 480 questions on a screen-based questionnaire. This is called the first stage assessment.

The website of DBA claim: a decade of development, the dba system: our 'asset creation' design process.' process 1: ideas and discovery, process, 2: evaluation: first stage analysis (fsa); process 3: sra- strategic review analysis (fsa); 4: implementation and empowerment, under this heading (a) legal, operational, management, marketing, capital, (b) management structure, key people, product and services range, the company's vision and culture, current client/customer base, marketing methodology, debt/equity, divestment, merger/acquisition, joint venture, licensing, paralnvestment, due diligence appraisal. Stage 5: parainvestment and private equity funding.

After completing the (sra) a strategic review proposal (srp) was sent to us as part of the sra. within the sra there is a considerable amount of information and within this document there is written a guarantee to fund the project that alan burrell, chairman of wisetrack pty limited investments has signed.

The signed guarantee gave us the confidence to hand over 12,000 (australian) $31,2000. this was supposed to be our contribution to the 50,000 needed to start our business on the road to publishing.

thirteen months had passed and we had not received any substantial information including the promised business plan or the promised funding, business leads, backing of 'key' people or personnel that is stated in the srp of the dba gaurantee.

on three separate occasions, extreme pressure was put on me to sign licence agreements to release intellectual property for all the books and products i have written and all of the books and products i was to write in the future.

we have demanded a refund and rescinded the contract.

The dba company is a sham. it's sole objective is to prey on people who have dedicated years of work to a project with the operators of dba then taking ownership of the intellectual property.

Patricia
Berkshire
United Kingdom

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#1 Consumer Comment

I thought there was something strange about these guys.

AUTHOR: Mark - (United Kingdom)

last year I was made enquiries regarding the opportunity in licensing a spinning machine that was listed on the Discovery Beach Website. their reply was a bit strange, they never sent me anything that prooved it actually existed, and glad i didn't pursue it.

here is the emails-

------
From:
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2007
To: bernard.obrien@discoverybeach.com.au
Subject: Re: Metal Spinning

Thanks Bernard for your response (its now late hours for us here)
We are very familiar with the industry, as we are second generation metal spinning, and this is all we really do. I believe the qestion you have asked relates to Territory. To start with, it would be our main focus to work with UK, but as we have already affiliations with other EU countries, it would be our hope that if the product was a success, we could target these markets in due course. Thanks Mark




-----Original Message-----
From: bernard.obrien@discoverybeach.com.au
To:
Sent: Mon, 21 May 2007 6:25 AM
Subject: RE: Metal Spinning


Dear Mark

It is the early hours of the morning here, I just saw your message and thought I would respond immediately.

I will have to check later today on the availability of the license as I have not been personally involved in the project for some time. The questions I can answer are as follows:

do you have any photos, drawings etc. of the completed machines?
Yes, these will be available.
- would the license enable us to market it under our own brand name?
Yes, subject to license agreement conditions.
- is the license based on a royalty per machine, a one off payment, or some other combination?
As I understand it, based on a once-only license fee, plus royalties.
- where is the overseas design partner located, and what is the process of getting design changes done if we were to require them?
The design partner is in Wales, and changes would be managed there.
- how soon would the manufacturing plans and drawings be available to us if we elected to go ahead? (we would want them as soon as possible)
As far as I am aware, the plans and drawings should be available immediately.
- could you please give some indication to license costing if we were to proceed

In terms of license costing, this would depend to an extent on the nature of your business and the territory that you would wish to cover. Could you provide me with a profile of your business, your specific requirements and the plans you have for the metal spinning side of the business? This would help, as we have a lot of information on the applications into which the machine has been sold in Australia.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards
Bernard O'Brien
Executive Chairman
Discovery Beach Australia
www.discoverybeach.co.uk
PH: +61 7 5513 0825
Fax: +61 2 9475 0126




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From:
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2007
To: enquiries@discoverybeach.co.uk
Subject: Metal Spinning


Hello,
I am a part owner/director of a company that carries out metal spinning works in Manchester as well as in Italy. We have been extremely busy over the last few years, and are currently looking to expand our business into the manufacture of the metal spinning machines themselves. I have by stumbled upon your website and noticed, that your company was involved with licensing such a machine.
Can you please advise if there are still licenses available in my area?
At present we are planning to engage someone to design our machines for us, but perhaps you solution is better. Presuming that licenses are still available can you please answer some questions, or forward this to someone who can help:
- what is the radial capacity of the machines?
- what is the bed length capacity of the machines?
- do you have any overall sizes of the machines?
- do you have any photos, drawings etc. of the completed machines?
- would the license enable us to market it under our own brand name?
- is the license based on a royalty per machine, a one off payment, or some other combination?
- where is the overseas design partner located, and what is the process of getting design changes done if we were to require them?
- how soon would the manufacturing plans and drawings be available to us if we elected to go ahead? (we would want them as soon as possible)
- could you please give some indication to license costing if we were to proceed
I know that this is late notice, but our company constitution requirements means that our quarterly management meetings is the time to approve certain expenditure, and investments. This would fall into that category. Our next meeting is this Tuesday. If possible, it would be most important that this information be available to present to the board at that meeting.
Thanks, Mark
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#2 Consumer Comment

I thought there was something strange about these guys.

AUTHOR: Mark - (United Kingdom)

last year I was made enquiries regarding the opportunity in licensing a spinning machine that was listed on the Discovery Beach Website. their reply was a bit strange, they never sent me anything that prooved it actually existed, and glad i didn't pursue it.

here is the emails-

------
From:
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2007
To: bernard.obrien@discoverybeach.com.au
Subject: Re: Metal Spinning

Thanks Bernard for your response (its now late hours for us here)
We are very familiar with the industry, as we are second generation metal spinning, and this is all we really do. I believe the qestion you have asked relates to Territory. To start with, it would be our main focus to work with UK, but as we have already affiliations with other EU countries, it would be our hope that if the product was a success, we could target these markets in due course. Thanks Mark




-----Original Message-----
From: bernard.obrien@discoverybeach.com.au
To:
Sent: Mon, 21 May 2007 6:25 AM
Subject: RE: Metal Spinning


Dear Mark

It is the early hours of the morning here, I just saw your message and thought I would respond immediately.

I will have to check later today on the availability of the license as I have not been personally involved in the project for some time. The questions I can answer are as follows:

do you have any photos, drawings etc. of the completed machines?
Yes, these will be available.
- would the license enable us to market it under our own brand name?
Yes, subject to license agreement conditions.
- is the license based on a royalty per machine, a one off payment, or some other combination?
As I understand it, based on a once-only license fee, plus royalties.
- where is the overseas design partner located, and what is the process of getting design changes done if we were to require them?
The design partner is in Wales, and changes would be managed there.
- how soon would the manufacturing plans and drawings be available to us if we elected to go ahead? (we would want them as soon as possible)
As far as I am aware, the plans and drawings should be available immediately.
- could you please give some indication to license costing if we were to proceed

In terms of license costing, this would depend to an extent on the nature of your business and the territory that you would wish to cover. Could you provide me with a profile of your business, your specific requirements and the plans you have for the metal spinning side of the business? This would help, as we have a lot of information on the applications into which the machine has been sold in Australia.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards
Bernard O'Brien
Executive Chairman
Discovery Beach Australia
www.discoverybeach.co.uk
PH: +61 7 5513 0825
Fax: +61 2 9475 0126




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From:
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2007
To: enquiries@discoverybeach.co.uk
Subject: Metal Spinning


Hello,
I am a part owner/director of a company that carries out metal spinning works in Manchester as well as in Italy. We have been extremely busy over the last few years, and are currently looking to expand our business into the manufacture of the metal spinning machines themselves. I have by stumbled upon your website and noticed, that your company was involved with licensing such a machine.
Can you please advise if there are still licenses available in my area?
At present we are planning to engage someone to design our machines for us, but perhaps you solution is better. Presuming that licenses are still available can you please answer some questions, or forward this to someone who can help:
- what is the radial capacity of the machines?
- what is the bed length capacity of the machines?
- do you have any overall sizes of the machines?
- do you have any photos, drawings etc. of the completed machines?
- would the license enable us to market it under our own brand name?
- is the license based on a royalty per machine, a one off payment, or some other combination?
- where is the overseas design partner located, and what is the process of getting design changes done if we were to require them?
- how soon would the manufacturing plans and drawings be available to us if we elected to go ahead? (we would want them as soon as possible)
- could you please give some indication to license costing if we were to proceed
I know that this is late notice, but our company constitution requirements means that our quarterly management meetings is the time to approve certain expenditure, and investments. This would fall into that category. Our next meeting is this Tuesday. If possible, it would be most important that this information be available to present to the board at that meeting.
Thanks, Mark
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#3 Consumer Comment

I thought there was something strange about these guys.

AUTHOR: Mark - (United Kingdom)

last year I was made enquiries regarding the opportunity in licensing a spinning machine that was listed on the Discovery Beach Website. their reply was a bit strange, they never sent me anything that prooved it actually existed, and glad i didn't pursue it.

here is the emails-

------
From:
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2007
To: bernard.obrien@discoverybeach.com.au
Subject: Re: Metal Spinning

Thanks Bernard for your response (its now late hours for us here)
We are very familiar with the industry, as we are second generation metal spinning, and this is all we really do. I believe the qestion you have asked relates to Territory. To start with, it would be our main focus to work with UK, but as we have already affiliations with other EU countries, it would be our hope that if the product was a success, we could target these markets in due course. Thanks Mark




-----Original Message-----
From: bernard.obrien@discoverybeach.com.au
To:
Sent: Mon, 21 May 2007 6:25 AM
Subject: RE: Metal Spinning


Dear Mark

It is the early hours of the morning here, I just saw your message and thought I would respond immediately.

I will have to check later today on the availability of the license as I have not been personally involved in the project for some time. The questions I can answer are as follows:

do you have any photos, drawings etc. of the completed machines?
Yes, these will be available.
- would the license enable us to market it under our own brand name?
Yes, subject to license agreement conditions.
- is the license based on a royalty per machine, a one off payment, or some other combination?
As I understand it, based on a once-only license fee, plus royalties.
- where is the overseas design partner located, and what is the process of getting design changes done if we were to require them?
The design partner is in Wales, and changes would be managed there.
- how soon would the manufacturing plans and drawings be available to us if we elected to go ahead? (we would want them as soon as possible)
As far as I am aware, the plans and drawings should be available immediately.
- could you please give some indication to license costing if we were to proceed

In terms of license costing, this would depend to an extent on the nature of your business and the territory that you would wish to cover. Could you provide me with a profile of your business, your specific requirements and the plans you have for the metal spinning side of the business? This would help, as we have a lot of information on the applications into which the machine has been sold in Australia.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards
Bernard O'Brien
Executive Chairman
Discovery Beach Australia
www.discoverybeach.co.uk
PH: +61 7 5513 0825
Fax: +61 2 9475 0126




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From:
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2007
To: enquiries@discoverybeach.co.uk
Subject: Metal Spinning


Hello,
I am a part owner/director of a company that carries out metal spinning works in Manchester as well as in Italy. We have been extremely busy over the last few years, and are currently looking to expand our business into the manufacture of the metal spinning machines themselves. I have by stumbled upon your website and noticed, that your company was involved with licensing such a machine.
Can you please advise if there are still licenses available in my area?
At present we are planning to engage someone to design our machines for us, but perhaps you solution is better. Presuming that licenses are still available can you please answer some questions, or forward this to someone who can help:
- what is the radial capacity of the machines?
- what is the bed length capacity of the machines?
- do you have any overall sizes of the machines?
- do you have any photos, drawings etc. of the completed machines?
- would the license enable us to market it under our own brand name?
- is the license based on a royalty per machine, a one off payment, or some other combination?
- where is the overseas design partner located, and what is the process of getting design changes done if we were to require them?
- how soon would the manufacturing plans and drawings be available to us if we elected to go ahead? (we would want them as soon as possible)
- could you please give some indication to license costing if we were to proceed
I know that this is late notice, but our company constitution requirements means that our quarterly management meetings is the time to approve certain expenditure, and investments. This would fall into that category. Our next meeting is this Tuesday. If possible, it would be most important that this information be available to present to the board at that meeting.
Thanks, Mark
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#4 Consumer Comment

I thought there was something strange about these guys.

AUTHOR: Mark - (United Kingdom)

last year I was made enquiries regarding the opportunity in licensing a spinning machine that was listed on the Discovery Beach Website. their reply was a bit strange, they never sent me anything that prooved it actually existed, and glad i didn't pursue it.

here is the emails-

------
From:
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2007
To: bernard.obrien@discoverybeach.com.au
Subject: Re: Metal Spinning

Thanks Bernard for your response (its now late hours for us here)
We are very familiar with the industry, as we are second generation metal spinning, and this is all we really do. I believe the qestion you have asked relates to Territory. To start with, it would be our main focus to work with UK, but as we have already affiliations with other EU countries, it would be our hope that if the product was a success, we could target these markets in due course. Thanks Mark




-----Original Message-----
From: bernard.obrien@discoverybeach.com.au
To:
Sent: Mon, 21 May 2007 6:25 AM
Subject: RE: Metal Spinning


Dear Mark

It is the early hours of the morning here, I just saw your message and thought I would respond immediately.

I will have to check later today on the availability of the license as I have not been personally involved in the project for some time. The questions I can answer are as follows:

do you have any photos, drawings etc. of the completed machines?
Yes, these will be available.
- would the license enable us to market it under our own brand name?
Yes, subject to license agreement conditions.
- is the license based on a royalty per machine, a one off payment, or some other combination?
As I understand it, based on a once-only license fee, plus royalties.
- where is the overseas design partner located, and what is the process of getting design changes done if we were to require them?
The design partner is in Wales, and changes would be managed there.
- how soon would the manufacturing plans and drawings be available to us if we elected to go ahead? (we would want them as soon as possible)
As far as I am aware, the plans and drawings should be available immediately.
- could you please give some indication to license costing if we were to proceed

In terms of license costing, this would depend to an extent on the nature of your business and the territory that you would wish to cover. Could you provide me with a profile of your business, your specific requirements and the plans you have for the metal spinning side of the business? This would help, as we have a lot of information on the applications into which the machine has been sold in Australia.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Kind regards
Bernard O'Brien
Executive Chairman
Discovery Beach Australia
www.discoverybeach.co.uk
PH: +61 7 5513 0825
Fax: +61 2 9475 0126




--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From:
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2007
To: enquiries@discoverybeach.co.uk
Subject: Metal Spinning


Hello,
I am a part owner/director of a company that carries out metal spinning works in Manchester as well as in Italy. We have been extremely busy over the last few years, and are currently looking to expand our business into the manufacture of the metal spinning machines themselves. I have by stumbled upon your website and noticed, that your company was involved with licensing such a machine.
Can you please advise if there are still licenses available in my area?
At present we are planning to engage someone to design our machines for us, but perhaps you solution is better. Presuming that licenses are still available can you please answer some questions, or forward this to someone who can help:
- what is the radial capacity of the machines?
- what is the bed length capacity of the machines?
- do you have any overall sizes of the machines?
- do you have any photos, drawings etc. of the completed machines?
- would the license enable us to market it under our own brand name?
- is the license based on a royalty per machine, a one off payment, or some other combination?
- where is the overseas design partner located, and what is the process of getting design changes done if we were to require them?
- how soon would the manufacturing plans and drawings be available to us if we elected to go ahead? (we would want them as soon as possible)
- could you please give some indication to license costing if we were to proceed
I know that this is late notice, but our company constitution requirements means that our quarterly management meetings is the time to approve certain expenditure, and investments. This would fall into that category. Our next meeting is this Tuesday. If possible, it would be most important that this information be available to present to the board at that meeting.
Thanks, Mark
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#5 Consumer Comment

Other "Success Stories" ..Three Cheers for Rip Off Report

AUTHOR: Joe - (United Kingdom)

"Discovery Beach Australia"
"Discovery Beach International"
"Discovery Beach Group"
"Bernard O'Brien"
... could all use a "rip off report" webpage of their own.
Do an "advanced search" on this website for "Discovery Beach" and you will understand why!!

Recently, these people have spent all their time closing down websites that have told stories about how they were scammed out of their money.

Rip Off Report is the only site that has remained open. "Three Cheers for Rip Off Report"

In fact, there is even some suggestion that they have threatened Google to remove some of the results that have disclosed some of these stories.

Here are some of DBA's other "Success Stories".
Discovery Beach no longer publish this list, as they have a "Failure Story" to tell. There are a number of these companies that are now in Administration.


EDUCATION
COMPANY: MATHS 2XL
WEBSITE: www.maths2xl.co.uk

BEVERAGES
COMPANY: BLOWFLY BEER / BREWTOPIA
WEBSITE: www.brewtopia.com.au

HEALTHCARE
COMPANY: Wheelchair
WEBSITE: (unknown)

CONSTRUCTION
COMPANY: CLIMAR INDUSTRIES
WEBSITE: www.colourfence.co.uk

INDUSTRIAL DESIGN
COMPANY: DINGO GROUP
WEBSITE: (unknown)

PROPERTY INVESTMENT
COMPANY: 02B INTERNATIONAL LTD
WEBSITE: (unknown)

MEDIA
COMPANY: TROY DANN ENTERPRISES LTD
WEBSITE: (unknown)

FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS
COMPANY: International Travellers Card
WEBSITE: www.banctogo.com.au

EVENT & CONVENTION SERVICES
WEBSITE: www.conventionservices.net.au

ENERGY
COMPANY: GREEN PLANET
WEBSITE: http://www.greenplanet.com/latest_news.html

SPORTS & LEISURE
COMPANY: F1 Hoverpod Racing
WEBSITE: www.f1hoverpod.com

ENGINEERING
COMPANY: Smartspin
WEBSITE: www.smartspin.com.au

** Perhaps someone else can fill in some of the "unknowns"


Note:
Discovery Beach is now operating under:
"GREEN PLANET MANAGEMENT LIMITED" www.greenplanetmanagement.com.au
and also has an association with MOSS www.moss.org.au
See also: www.moss.org.au/home/images/stories/docs/gpmfactsheet_for_newsletter.doc
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Discovery Beach Australia, Fraudulent, Misleading Information, Broken Promises, Lies, Tweed Heads, NSW, Austrlia

AUTHOR: Patricia - (United Kingdom)

The Original Ripoff Report Title:
Chris Barrell & Bernard O'Brien Of Discovery Beach Australia UK / Australia Fraudulent, Misleading Information, Broken Promises, LiesTweed Heads NSW and Chris Barrell of Bristol, BS5 6DJ Bernard O'Brien NSW 2486

The Original Ripoff Report Text:
Our publishing company had been in research and development for almost seven years when I met chris barrell of discovery beach australia (dba) at a respectable business lunch in swindon, wiltshire on the 2nd July 2005.

I was cautious about giving comments about my publishing project; barrell, had said, '...we have successfully worked on education products before.'

I did as much research as I could about the 'cleanliness' of dba and they seemed to be 'flawless' at the time. I also asked some australian based people to check the dba out, again, they came up clean.

I then bought a copy of the cd for 399.00 and filled in over 480 questions on a screen-based questionnaire. This is called the first stage assessment. The website of DBA claim: a decade of development, the dba system: our 'asset creation' design process.' process 1: ideas and discovery, process, 2: evaluation: first stage analysis (fsa); process 3: sra- strategic review analysis (fsa); 4: implementation and empowerment, under this heading (a) legal, operational, management, marketing, capital, (b) management structure, key people, product and services range, the company's vision and culture, current client/customer base, marketing methodology, debt/equity, divestment, merger/acquisition, joint venture, licensing, paralnvestment, due diligence appraisal. Stage 5: parainvestment and private equity funding. After completing the (sra) a strategic review proposal (srp) was sent to us as part of the sra. within the sra there is a considerable amount of information and within this document there is written a guarantee to fund the project that alan burrell, chairman of wisetrack pty limited investments has signed. The signed guarantee gave us the confidence to hand over 12,000 (australian) $31,2000. this was supposed to be our contribution to the 50,000 needed to start our business on the road to publishing.

thirteen months had passed and we had not received any substantial information including the promised business plan or the promised funding, business leads, backing of 'key' people or personnel that is stated in the srp of the dba gaurantee. on three separate occasions, extreme pressure was put on me to sign licence agreements to release intellectual property for all the books and products i have written and all of the books and products i was to write in the future.

In an attempt to get me to sign the Licence Agreement, I received a work contract stating my salary would be 75,000 a year. When I asked 'where would this money come from to pay my salary? Bernard O'Brien stated, from the sale of the books.' We had not made many sales at that point nor were we able to go into production because Bernard O'Brien had not put the monies into our company that were mentioned in the srp.

we have demanded a refund and rescinded the contract. The dba company is a sham. it's sole objective is to prey on people who have dedicated years of work to a project with the operators of dba then taking ownership of the intellectual property.

Bernard O'Brien maintains that he is a barrister and indeed, I have a letter from his solicitor, that says he does not have a license to practice law - again, this adds to the sham put forward by him and his company.

Discovery Beach Australia does not have the expertise, financial backing, business base nor the credentials to run the company they say they are running.

Patricia B
United Kingdom

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