• Report: #167695

Complaint Review: Disneyland

  • Submitted: Mon, December 12, 2005
  • Updated: Fri, September 15, 2006

  • Reported By:garden grove apt 7 California
1313 S. Harbor Anaheim, California U.S.A.

Disneyland discrimination, jugdement towards myself Anaheim California

*Consumer Comment: Acting Makeup on the Thumb

*Consumer Suggestion: Her not getting the job as Just that Tattoo

*Consumer Comment: Dress Code

*Consumer Comment: To Jason

*Consumer Comment: Do you people understand how statistics work?

*Consumer Comment: Tattoos often signify low self-esteem.

*Consumer Suggestion: disney tatts comments... wow

*Consumer Comment: Let's all play the mass generalization game!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: On the subject of tattoos

*Consumer Comment: NO to tatoos

*Consumer Comment: I feel for you, but policy is there for a reason

*Consumer Comment: Wow Denny! You are truly astounding

*Consumer Comment: A lot of companies have policies against tattoos.

*Consumer Comment: Again robert, your ignorance is unbelievable

*Consumer Comment: Sorry Terri, but you are incorrect.

*Consumer Comment: Employers have the right to hire anyone they want

*Consumer Comment: it is discrimination, but not anything that can be legally followed through

*Consumer Comment: no discrimination at all

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i went for an interveiw at disneyland my first time ever, i saw a movie had a computer test pass, i got interveiwed with 2 other men rehires, questions were asked to, all 1 at a time, she asked if we give you a shirt seleve less were there be tatoos, on your arms i said no, who is your fav. charter, i said mickey mouse, when was the last time you put a smile on someones face, i anwered i do wound care, i explain to patient the post op and recovery and they feel good, i dont remember after that.

so she told us to wait a outside for the next interveiw, fews minutes passed she called me in {Troy} she said i asked you if you had a tatoo, visable on your arm you said no, she replyed, you have one on your thumb i said im sorry i forgot, its so small, and i told her you said the arm not the hand, and that i dont smile enough, and i was not paying attention to the co workers, for me to come in 6 months i would not work for the small tatoo on my finger 1/2cm --, and my personal person.

i felt so bad i cryed inside i never ever in my life was told that, for my job is people care and kindness to all, patients, and i am a surgery scheduling , my job is people, and i am good at my job, i feel so bad for this happen to me, i have so many referrals from my patients, i m kind and a teamplayer, also. and happy always i love my job, i need help i feel sad, help,

garden grove apt 7, California

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#1 Consumer Comment

Acting Makeup on the Thumb

AUTHOR: Chris - (U.S.A.)

Putting acting makeup on the thumb isn't going to work because Lydia would have to re-apply the makeup every time she washed her hands. Also, if she were in food service, not only would she be washing her hands all the time, the makeup would get onto people's food.
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#2 Consumer Suggestion

Her not getting the job as Just that Tattoo

AUTHOR: K - (U.S.A.)

It was not all about the tattoo why everyone is obsessing over it I do not understand. From what I have read of her complaint, it was not just that she was refused because of a tatoo.

As I have mentioned before the interview insulted her to her face. He and or she said she was not friendly, that she "did not smile enough" and said that "she did not pay attention to the co-workers"... It WAS NOT JUST ABOUT THE TATTOO...

From my understanding of her complaint those words were what hurt her. She made to feel incompetent, stupid, and was degraded. All of which is wrong for any corporation to do to and individual. Its defermation of character and just unethical; particularly for disney.

As I have said before Disney DOES ALLOW TATTOOS, as long as they are COVERED UP WITH ACTING MAKEUP. I should know I was asked to that with mine by them.

Again Lydia's complaint is not JUST ABOUT TATTOOS, it is based on the action and words of the interview she encountered. HIS WORDS were hurtfull and wrong.

so drop the tattoos, arguing over how someone expresses themselves is going to resolve nothing.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Dress Code

AUTHOR: Peter - (U.S.A.)

If tattoos, piercings, wild hair, etc. are against a company's stated dress code or philosophy, then you do not have the right to challenge it. It is NOT discrimination if said dress code is published and applied to everyone equally across the board. You DO have the right to seek employment elsewhere. There ARE other places, such as the last rebuttalist's establishment, in which crazed personal appearances are welcomed.
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#4 Consumer Comment

To Jason

AUTHOR: Tom - (Canada)

I own a business and could care less if someone has tattoo's or piercings. I make sure they are qualified for the job, have a clean police clearance and will treat my customers like gold.

How many potential customers HAVE tattoo's or piercings? Many of my competitors have policies like Disneys which helps the above "martked" people to choose to shop elsewhere ( like at my shop).

The new tech that services my office equipment is the best I have hired. If I was a feeble minded dork, I would have continued to use the other tech, whos looks may conform to societies image, but has the skills of 5 year old.

I had a job interview at Safeway a couple of years ago and was told to shave my beard if I wanted the job. WTH? That guaranteed I would never shop there again. I have told everyone who will listen about Safeway and many have told me they will no longer shop there.

Yes you can choose who you want to hire, but it may very well be a financially dumb thing to do. I will no longer go to Disney Land/World nor buy any dvd's from them.

I get discriminated against every day to to me being bald. If that is how some people judge others, than #$^^ them.
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#5 Consumer Comment

Do you people understand how statistics work?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

A recent study showed High School dropouts earn about 65% of what their Diploma owning counterparts do. Now, pay attention folks...this does NOT mean that a very FEW of them will NOT go on to earn Millions of dollars. It means that as a general rule, as pointed out by stats, they will earn 35% less than someone with a Diploma.

I even gave the seat belt analogy for you people. Just because one person walked away from a bad collision, does NOT mean it's a good idea to NOT wear them.

Again, people with stats, are generally less educated, as are people who smoke, drink heavily, etc.

As for the imbecile who used the n**i Deathcamp theory of tatooes, what are you smoking? The inmates were tatooed for ID purposes, not because they were stupid.

Good Grief! I can already see I make at least 35% more than some of you.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Tattoos often signify low self-esteem.

AUTHOR: Marc - (U.S.A.)

Not always, but an employer will surely see it that way. I know a dumb kid that thought swastika tattoos on his arms would get him attention in junior high school, and it sure did. He didn't even know what they meant, but he sure found out in a hurry. He's worn long sleeves for the last twenty years, pretty odd in Hawaii. He's never had a job that I would consider a good job, and he swears it's because of the tattoos.

When I was young I thought they were cool, but these days I'm happy I didn't ever get one. The Chinese characters are the "in" thing now, and I saw a Chinese man ask a guy why he had "I eat sh**" tattooed on the back of his neck, so be careful.
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#7 Consumer Suggestion

disney tatts comments... wow

AUTHOR: K - (U.S.A.)

I was suppose to work for Disney World in Orlando Florida. They do not like visible tattoos but they did allow you to have them as long as they were covered up by the makeup department (that means using acting makeup, it covers them up the best)before work. I was told I would have to do this for the tatoo I have on my ankle (its the size of a quarter). Now with this information Lydia could have worked there if they were willing to let her cover her 12cm tattoo on her finger with that make up.

From what she expresses in her report the interviwer made other claims as to why she was not hired; stating that she "did not smile enough" indicates that she was not seem friendly enough to them. But they did not use her past work expierence to justify that. If she works with patients in a hospital she clearly has to be friendly; common sense if your in a hospital your miserable nurses and other hospital workers know and understand that and go out of their way to treat you make you comfortable and happy. From what Lydia has expressed that was not done by this particular Disney interviewer.

Also from what she has expressed this intervier pretty much insulted her to her face. That is just unethical, rude, and defermation of character. It was completely uneccesary to say that to her directly. If they did not want to hire her they could have simply could have told her to leave and that they would get back to her; that is the common buisness practice way of saying we don't want you to work for our company.

Now, tattoos do not equal lower intelligence. I have 3 (I guess I must be extremely stupid; fell of the stupid tree and hit every branch on my way down according to you people) and I have an IQ of 185;I am also a Law Student as well. In the past (that is around the mid the early 20th century) your judments of tatoo being connected to lower intelligence would have been justifiable. Historically sailors and Army individuals had them; during the holocaust Jewish people in concentration camps were "inked" with serial numbers. But this is the 21st century and more people are using them as a way to express themselves in a world full of conformity.

It seems to me and my friends, teachers, and parents, whom I showed this report and its rebuttles too, that ignorance is bliss. Those of you who are going to judge an individual who has been hurt (to the point of tears) based on how she expresses herself is ignorant. That is the reason why Disney does not like them, but it is does not jutify discrimination and rudeness.

Now Lydia there is no legal action you can do. The best thing you could do, is in fact what you have done. That is report it on this website, the Better Buisness Bureau could not handle this because Disney did not break any laws. But telling people what was done to you will eventually put a kink in their reputation (which they live by). So kodos to you!
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#8 Consumer Comment

Let's all play the mass generalization game!!!!

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

I think golf is a stupid game. Most of the avid golfers I've known were cheauvinistic, arrogant blowhards. They probably cheat on their income taxes as well. I think all golfers are clearly a detriment to society.

I'd never hire a Mercedes Benz owner. Drivers of these cars tend to disregard speed limits way too often. They seldom use turn signals also. Anyone who purchases one of these vehicles obviously doesn't spend money wisely. They're all Republicans, too.

A woman who chooses to wear thong lingerie is clearly delusional. She does not know anything of modesty or virtue. These women are often the promiscuous, wayward types who cry out for attention.

People who fly in the coach cabin are usually dirty, uneducated, heathens that care little for their fellow man. Ask someone in first class if you don't believe me. I googled around and found a 1986 study from Northwestern Iowa A&M Technical Institute that showed the vast majority of first class passengers thought coach passengers were stupid. If an independant study says it, well then, it must be true.

The Victorian Age is over. People from all walks of life, and all levels of intellect have tattoos. Get to know someone with a tatt before you write them off. You just might be surprised.
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On the subject of tattoos

AUTHOR: Jennifer - (U.S.A.)

I have to put in my two cents here.

I am an intelligent person, a college graduate. I did get a tattoo at age 18 that I do regret - just because it was the name of my boyfriend at the time. I have since had it covered over with a rose. However, at age 28 I got another one that I absolutely love. And my mother, who is an intelligent person as well, got one for her 50th birthday. I take issue with the fact that you imply that someone who has a tattoo is stupid or later regrets it. It is a way of expressing oneself creatively. I have seen some tattoos that look gang-related or prison-related. I have seen many that are overdone. I have seen many that are very tasteful and nice. You would be surprised how many people have them. My mom and I both were smart with ours - placing them in parts of our bodies easily covered up. Many people have no idea that we have them. By judging someone based on that fact alone you could very well be missing out on getting to know a high quality person. For the record, my daughter's teacher has her nose pierced, and she is the nicest, gentlest teacher I have ever met. It is just plain stupid to judge someone as "lower in intelligence" due to their particular fashion statement.

As for Disneyland, I can understand their desire to have no visible tattoos, due to the image many people connect with them. If I were to apply there, they would never even know or see mine. But that is neither here nor there.

Saying someone is stupid because they choose to get a tattoo is just plain ignorant.
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#10 Consumer Comment

NO to tatoos

AUTHOR: Jason - (U.S.A.)

All things being equal, I would tend not to employ a person with tatoos, noserings, etc. A person getting a permanent disfigurement such as a tatoo should know that the vast majority of the population views tatoos as somewhat odd, and that a person who is tatooed is probably a liberal or Democrat.
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#11 Consumer Comment

I feel for you, but policy is there for a reason

AUTHOR: Jade - (U.S.A.)

I am a new attorney, and long time Disney fan.

I have to say, I absolutely agree with Denny on the fact that tattoos have a negative stigma associated with them. While Robert was a little blunt, maybe even harsh, he was expressing a very common sentiment. Tattoos can signify, low intelligence, "dirtiness", or a criminal inclination to some people as a first impression. Personally, I think that it is stupid to get one, only because many people mature past them and realize they are sick of it or were foolish to get them. I know that if I got one I would be tired of it after about a week, and I see no productive reason to get one. I also, depending on the placement and content of the tattoo, have often found myself passing other unseemly judgment on those who have one - i.e., promiscuity, criminal history, general stupidity, etc. This is not to say that my assumptions are correct, only that it is a common reaction. In any event, if I feel the way that I do, and Robert feels the way that he does, it stands to reason that others feel this way as well. Disney has a large number of children and elderly visitors in its parks. This is why they have had for several years, and will continue to have, very conservative standards. They do not want, as someone else said, an elderly man receiving a slice of pizza from a tattoed hand which can be perceived as filthy, or handing money to someone who because of their tattoo COULD BE perceived as a thief. That is the policy and you have to adhere to it, along with their policies of "natural makeup only", only one pair of conservative earrings and for women only, "no facial hair", "no long hair for males", etc. It's best that you find a job where you will be welcomed and appreciated, creativity and all. :)
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#12 Consumer Comment

Wow Denny! You are truly astounding

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I know a guy who was thrown clear of his car during a bad wreck. He wasn't wearing a seat belt. His car was completely destroyed. He got up and walked away with a few scratches.

Using your theory that because you know a guy who has tats and is a Doctor, all people with tats are very intelligent. I guess not wearing a seat belt will save your life every time too. No, it doesn't work that way.

Every study done, has shown people with tatoos generally(that means the vast majority of the test subjects) have lower intelligence than those without ink. The same goes with studies of smokers versus nonsmokers, and heavy drinkers versus light drinkers.

Facts are difficult for some people to deal with. If the facts bore otherwise, why don't people go to clinics to start smoking, drinking, and get tatoos at older ages. Nope. As we get older, and usually smarter, people quit doing the things that they now know are bad for them, or just plain stupid.
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#13 Consumer Comment

A lot of companies have policies against tattoos.

AUTHOR: V R - (U.S.A.)

My sister works at Costco. They're are as strict as Disney when it comes to tattoos. My sister likes to get a henna tattoo occasionally but she knows the rules so she gets hers on her upper arm where it will be covered by her sleeve.

Lydia, I commend you wanting to help people and for knowing how to care for wounds. I'm sure you are very dedicated to your patients. You didn't say it but I think you were wanting to work at one of the medic stations at Disneyland. Please remember if you did work at one, companies such as Disney will expect an incident report filled out for each person you treat. That means that you need to fill out all paperwork as clearly and concisely as possible. A report that resembles what you wrote here could result in a lot of confusion and maybe even a lawsuit or two.

If you are still in school, please make an extra stong effort to work on your writing skills. If you are out of school then sign up for a class at a local community college or even go to a place such as Sylvan. Good written and verbal communication is important in your line of work.

I'm assuming that you aren't dyslexic because it sounds as if you schedule surgeries at a small clinic right now. A dyslexic in that kind of job would not be a good idea because of the potential problems it would cause. But being a small place, you may have been able to get away with poor writing skills because if the nurses or doctors can't read something you wrote, it wouldn't be a problem for them to come and ask you about it.

If you wrote incident reports with as many mistakes as you included in this letter, imagine what might happen. In a large place such as Disney, if a guest comes back months after you treated him and claims he's suing because you supposedly gave the wrong treatment to his injury, it would be difficult for you or Disney's lawyers to understand from your records what actually happened. You may have treated thousands of cuts and bruises in that time and may not remember this particular person. Good, clear records can be a big help is situations such as this.

You can't rely on someone else to fill out the incident reports for you everywhere you go so you owe it to yourself to keep on working hard at your writing skills. It will help improve your job prospects and it will help you on the job too. And when writing something as important as a letter claiming discrimination, you put yourself in a much better light as well.

Good luck.

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#14 Consumer Comment

Again robert, your ignorance is unbelievable

AUTHOR: Denny - (U.S.A.)

As with everything Robert posts here, his ignorance is unbelievable as everything else we deal with in life.

Having a tattoo doesn't signify low intellegence (otherwise my pediatrician wouldn't be a doctor today). Many doctors, lawyers, engineers, and the lot sport tattoos. I know many savy tech guys, computer repairmen, network administrators, programmers and artists who sport tattoos. And many of them ARE QUITE happy with who they are.

You dont like them? So what? Then dont get one. Having one doesn't mean the person who got it is "dumb". its a choice, like getting your ears pierced, having liposuction, getting breast enlargements/reduction and the like. Vanity basically, but not because of low intelligence.
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#15 Consumer Comment

Sorry Terri, but you are incorrect.

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

As Denny said, Disney has strict appearance standards that employees must adhere to in order to be employed. And this goes for all employees, not just those who work in the parks.

What happened is that the interviewer (more than likely) asked if any tatoos would be visible if a short sleeve shirt is worn, not just on the arm. This would include any exposed skin, hands and all.

Even if the interviewer did say "arm", their policies are clear and in writing. No lawyer worth his salt would even touch this case.
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#16 Consumer Comment

Employers have the right to hire anyone they want

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Disney doesn't want anyone with visible tatoos. Guess what, neither does the Marine Corps if you want "Barracks" Duty. Want to be an Embassy Guard? Not if you have visible tatoos. No parent wants Snow White or Prince Charming wandering around with inked up skin showing.

Having tatoos is NOT a sign of high intelligence, and getting one at such a young age is idiotic at best. The same goes with smoking and drinking heavily. I have yet to meet anyone over 40 who thinks they are "cool". Most people consider tatoos to be stupid at that age and their opinion of them goes downhill fast after that. See that old guy with long sleeves in August? His arms are covered in "tats".

Go get that stupid tatoo removed and get on with your life Lydia. Lasers work. Good luck.
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#17 Consumer Comment

it is discrimination, but not anything that can be legally followed through

AUTHOR: Terri - (U.S.A.)

She was asked if she had any tattoos on her ARM, and even though her hand is connected to her arm, her hand is NOT called her arm now is it?

She may not have divulged that information "i don't have any on my arm, but I do have one on my finger" is what she could have said in response to the question.

Unfortunately, it is discrimination, but not anything that can be legally followed through, as someone said they do have certain requirements with dress code (i.e. no tattoos visable) to adhere to. Personally I don't care about any tattoo on anyone who works, but obviously Disneyland does.

Sorry to hear about this, but frankly it shouldn't be anything to cry over. There are plenty of jobs out there for you to find.
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#18 Consumer Comment

no discrimination at all

AUTHOR: Denny - (U.S.A.)

Semantics aside, Disney maintains a "cleanliness" atmosphere, and if the uniforms/costumes you wear will reveal questionable body art, dont expect to get hired there unless your CHARACTER that you are playing requires such body art (which are very few in the Disney universe). Many of the attire you will wear will reveal such art, and to the "guest" who visit the "happiest place on earth" they dont want to see tattoos on those who are there to help them through the day.

You had a tatoo on your finger, and did not come forth with that information. No matter how small it is, its there, for all to see. If you were put into their food service area, your "hands" will be seen by guests who will be buying food from you. It gives the notion that you "not clean". Sorry, but that is the STYGMA that tatoos give.

The only "job" would be for you at Disney would be the characters, and that is already hard to get into.

No discrimination at all, and you were at fault for not revealing that YOU indeed have a tatoo.
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