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Complaint Review: Drew Miles And Pathfinder Business Strategies LLC

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  • Submitted: Mon, January 05, 2009
  • Updated: Wed, May 06, 2009

  • Reported By:Raeford North Carolina
Drew Miles And Pathfinder Business Strategies LLC
10305 102nd Terrace, Suite 102 Sebastian, Florida U.S.A.

INVESTIGATION: Pathfinder Business Strategies and Drew Miles 100% commitment to customer satisfaction, pledges to resolve any issues. Feel safe, confident & secure when doing business with Pathfinder Business Strategies and Drew Miles. Excellent opportunity for entrepreneurs to keep more of what they are making instead of giving it away in taxes while protecting their assets. Sebastian Florida
*UPDATE ...Pathfinder Business Strategies & Drew Miles offer commitment to the success of their clients. Verified by Report Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation & Customer Satisfaction Program.. The program that benefits the consumer, assures them of complete satisfaction & confidence when doing business with a

*Consumer Comment: I met with my CPA today and it looks like, Drew's program will save me, between $30,000 and $50,000 dollars on my 2007 taxes.

*Consumer Comment: I took it to my C.P.A. and he confirmed that its true. As a result, I've saved over $100,000 since implementing these strategies and I've protected m

*Consumer Comment: I took it to my C.P.A. and he confirmed that its true. As a result, I've saved over $100,000 since implementing these strategies and I've protected m

*Consumer Comment: I took it to my C.P.A. and he confirmed that its true. As a result, I've saved over $100,000 since implementing these strategies and I've protected m

*Consumer Comment: The time we have spent in counseling and advisement have been invaluable in helping us sort through our tax situation and business entity structuring.

*Consumer Comment: Wisdom is power and the wisdom that you have imparted to me is paying dividends year after year!

*Consumer Suggestion: Class action suit

*Consumer Comment: #1 Real Estate Agent/Broker in GA says "If you are serious about your business, your income, and your Assets, you need Pathfinders. Period."

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Assistance offered by Drew Miles

*Consumer Suggestion: Use Internet and Books to Lower Your Taxes

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Response from Drew Miles

*UPDATE Employee: Please Contact Me So that I Can Assist You with Legal Action

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Positive Rating and Recognition has been given to for its Commitment to Excellence in customer service.

Rip-off Report's investigation of Pathfinder Business Strategies and Drew Miles uncovered an ongoing commitment to total client satisfaction. This means that potential clients can expect the company will always work towards finding a mutually satisfactory resolution to any complaints or concerns; more importantly, executives at Pathfinder Business Strateiges are concerned with the immediate & long-term success of their distributors and, Pathfinder Business Strategies is listening carefully to the feedback its clients give. As Drew Miles stated, After all, when becoming creative to make things better, making changes to improve the business isn't always easy, but it's well worth the effort that's required for constant improvement.

One top executive of the company stated to Rip-off Report that, Pathfinder Business Strategies corporate philosophy is based on the premise that Pathfinder Business Strategies will continually seek improvement in every aspect in every department of the company. From the first phone call we are committed to excellence. Because we listen to our clients, we know what needs to get done.

Rip-off Report has confirmed that Pathfinder Business Strategies employs a seasoned, professional staff specifically dedicated to helping their clients succeed. Couple this with the company's Support Center, and you have a support program that is top-notch. Perhaps this is the reason why Pathfinder Business Strategies has never had a single complaint with any governmental agency. This is remarkable considering the company has been in business for many years and has saved thousands of people thousands of dollars in taxes while helping them protect their assets!

Rip-off Report has also discovered that majority of reports posted against Pathfinder Business Strategies and Drew Miles were all from the same person who is a competitor attempting to slander their good name by filing the bogus reports. Rip-off Report is occasionally abused this way, so we remind everyone that it is illegal to use Rip-off Report to slander any person or business.

It is our opinion that potential clients can feel confident in the fact that Pathfinder Business Strategies and Drew Miles have worked with thousands of clients and have successfully helped these people save money in taxes. ..any problems with any member of the Corporate Advocacy Program.. consumers should just contact us here at Rip-off Report..

In summary, after our investigation, which included discussions with Drew Miles, Rip-off Report is convinced that the company has been and is committed to quality delivery of its products and services resulting in total & complete client satisfaction.

Read more about Pathfinder Business Strategies and Drew Miles Commitment to Excellence and Total Consumer Satisfaction and why consumers should feel safe, confident and secure when doing business with any member of Rip-off Report's Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation & Customer Satisfaction Program. ..yes, a long name for a program that does a lot for both consumers and businesses alike.

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NOW TO THE ORIGINAL REPORT THAT WAS FILED
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Drew Miles And Pathfinder Business Strategies LLC Stole 25K from our company Sebastian Florida

Pathfinder Business Strategies, LLC is a business located at 10315 102nd Terrace, Sebastian, FL 32958. It owned by attorney Drew Miles. Their website is www.pfbs.com . It is a tax strategy company that claims to save high-end clients anywhere from $100,000 to $150,000 in tax savings. From what I have gathered, the company has few employees and subcontracts most of their sales and tax strategy coaches. Additionally, they have changed their website concerning their Diamond Level Plan. Originally, it was a 12-18 month long program; it has now been condensed to a four month intense results oriented program.

On April 27th as I was going through my email, a Pathfinder/Drew Miles advertisement appeared in my email account. It stated enormous claims of tax saving through Pathfinder Tax Strategies. I called and spoke with a salesman name Ron. After introducing myself, I briefed him on my tax situation and how much I had just paid the IRS. Mr. Gustafson stated that he needed to get me immediately into the Diamond Millionaire Maker Program. He also stated that Pathfinder would assist me in getting my money refunded by the IRS, and they could save me between 200-250K in taxes. I agreed to try his service and I placed 25K on my credit card The information that arrived in the mail (I can provide copies) was a joke. It was a CD program and photocopies of some basic tax saving tips that you could have googled for free off the internet. I was not impressed to say the least. However, I waited to reserve judgment until I had my scheduled coaching session. The coaching session was a vintage con artist scheme designed to keep you in the program long enough, so they don't have to issue you a refund. After the phone call, I knew that I had been duped. A few days later, I called Ron and told him that I was dissatisfied with the level of service and dissatisfied with coach and wanted a full refund. It never happened. Run to do not walk from this unscrupulous con artist.

Robert
Raeford, North Carolina
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 01/05/2009 06:49 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Drew-Miles-And-Pathfinder-Business-Strategies-LLC/Sebastian-Florida-32958/INVESTIGATION-Pathfinder-Business-Strategies-and-Drew-Miles-100-commitment-to-customer-s-408422. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

I met with my CPA today and it looks like, Drew's program will save me, between $30,000 and $50,000 dollars on my 2007 taxes.

AUTHOR: Pathfinder Business Strategies - (U.S.A.)

I met with my CPA today and it looks like, Drew's program will save me, between $30,000 and $50,000 dollars on my 2007 taxes. Additional saving of $10,000 to $12,000 by going back and taking some deductions on my 2006 taxes. That's absolutely "AWESOME". These savings, will allow me to help some of the charities, I love to work with.



Again, feel free to refer folks to me and I promise, I will strongly recommend Pathfinder.



Thank you for your follow up. Hope your year goes well.



Bill Gasperson
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#2 Consumer Comment

I took it to my C.P.A. and he confirmed that its true. As a result, I've saved over $100,000 since implementing these strategies and I've protected m

AUTHOR: Pathfinder Business Strategies - (U.S.A.)

I've been a chiropractor for 10 years. When I first heard your material, I couldn't believe my ears. Then I took it to my C.P.A. and he confirmed that its true. As a result, I've saved over $100,000 since implementing these strategies and I've protected my assets at the same time.



Drew, I can't thank you enough for helping me keep more of my money and giving me peace of mind.



Chris Leone, D.C.
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#3 Consumer Comment

I took it to my C.P.A. and he confirmed that its true. As a result, I've saved over $100,000 since implementing these strategies and I've protected m

AUTHOR: Pathfinder Business Strategies - (U.S.A.)

I've been a chiropractor for 10 years. When I first heard your material, I couldn't believe my ears. Then I took it to my C.P.A. and he confirmed that its true. As a result, I've saved over $100,000 since implementing these strategies and I've protected my assets at the same time.



Drew, I can't thank you enough for helping me keep more of my money and giving me peace of mind.



Chris Leone, D.C.
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#4 Consumer Comment

I took it to my C.P.A. and he confirmed that its true. As a result, I've saved over $100,000 since implementing these strategies and I've protected m

AUTHOR: Pathfinder Business Strategies - (U.S.A.)

I've been a chiropractor for 10 years. When I first heard your material, I couldn't believe my ears. Then I took it to my C.P.A. and he confirmed that its true. As a result, I've saved over $100,000 since implementing these strategies and I've protected my assets at the same time.



Drew, I can't thank you enough for helping me keep more of my money and giving me peace of mind.



Chris Leone, D.C.
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#5 Consumer Comment

The time we have spent in counseling and advisement have been invaluable in helping us sort through our tax situation and business entity structuring.

AUTHOR: Pathfinder Business Strategies - (U.S.A.)

Dear Tim & Tom:



Thank you so much for all your time and expertise.



The time we have spent in counseling and advisement have been invaluable in helping us sort through our tax situation and business entity structuring.



In our first meeting Tim was able to pin point an IRA tax code that our previous accountant had missed on our 2007 tax returns, this alone saved us $1000's of dollars in deductions.



The diagrams and entity structuring prepared for us has been very helpful in sorting through the complexity of our businesses and I am so grateful Tom, for all your wisdom and input in helping us to make a plan to protect our assets and our children, grandchildren better.



Please feel free to follow up with me to make sure I get all your recommendations in place.



Most Gratefully,





Kandi S. O'Brien, R, GRI



Sincerely,





Kandi S. O'Brien, R, GRI

Principal Broker/President

Discover Maui Property, Inc
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#6 Consumer Comment

Wisdom is power and the wisdom that you have imparted to me is paying dividends year after year!

AUTHOR: Pathfinder Business Strategies - (U.S.A.)

Dear Drew,



As founder and president of Arnone Consulting, Inc, I wanted to take a moment to thank you and your team for the most thorough approach that you take in preparing me to conduct myself and my business in a way that maximizes my savings in taxes. In the past, we used deductions that we only heard on the street from friends and family. Although my CPA is a friend of mine he, like most, is so conservative that when we do speak about taxes, I don't understand a word he is saying! In all our years, the only item he ever suggested was the home office. Since learning your strategies, he quietly reviews my documentation and always says, 'all my clients should be as prepared'. I even save on his tax return preparation invoices!

After learning from you and your team of coaches, I not only have reduced my taxes to 9.25% - I do so with confidence. I do enjoy the low relative percent in taxes but what I really like is the confidence that seeing the actual written IRS documents and how they apply to me. This is strong Drew. The revelation on our corporate meetings in places other then our home office had been spectacularlike Colorado mountains spectacular and the strategy employing the code section on Meritorious Awards is also a favorite, a twice a year favorite!

It has now been five and a half years since we started using your practices and we have not had one bit of concern. Another great benefit is that I have had five (5) corporations, my wife has had three (3) and each of our children have two (2), and all of what I've learned has applied by them also. (I'm probably not supposed to tell you that!) All the same, wisdom is power and the wisdom that you have imparted to me is paying dividends year after year!



Thanks again Drew and keep up the great work.



Thank you;



Gregory L Arnone
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#7 Consumer Suggestion

Class action suit

AUTHOR: Kevin - (U.S.A.)

I came across a website where you can register for a class action suit against Drew Miles (Pathfinder Business Strategies). www.drewmilesclassaction.com. You can also send an email to legal@drewmilesclassaction.com for more information.



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#8 Consumer Comment

#1 Real Estate Agent/Broker in GA says "If you are serious about your business, your income, and your Assets, you need Pathfinders. Period."

AUTHOR: Pathfinder Business Strategies - (U.S.A.)

I first saw Drew Miles speak at a seminar and from that time on, his information haunted me. I realized that I was in the uneducated tax system and that I was consistently paying in excess of $450,000 per year in taxes and wondered if I should really be paying that much? Obviously, the answer kept ringing in my head, over and over No. The next time I knew that Drew was going to speak, I was ready to hear him one more time, evaluate my thoughts, and then hire him at the Executive Diamond level to help us get our taxes and asset protection straight in the quickest amount of time. It was really a no-brainer as it was guaranteed to provide results.



Since that day when we hired Drew, Drew and his team have uncovered taxes for us that should have been obvious, but weren't. Now we are working our way to minimizing our taxes, getting our documentation in order and strategizing to protect our assets. This is an ongoing process as things change in the law and personally so I anticipate a very long relationship. But even if the relationship is not long, I have already learned more than my college education taught me about strategizing in business to keep the money you make.



If you are like us, it is getting harder to make a living and the more living you make, the more risk you take. When you put the puzzle of business together, is it worth it if you are not maximizing the money that you make by keeping it for yourself and protecting it?



If you are serious about your business, your income and your assets, you need Pathfinders. Period.



Rhonda Duffy,

#1 Real Estate Agent in Georgia and Brokerage Owner

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#9 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Assistance offered by Drew Miles

AUTHOR: Pathfinder Business Strategies - (U.S.A.)

Drew Miles here. At Pathfinder, we strive to provide the highest quality service possible and to ensure that every one of our clients is satisfied. It is disappointing to hear that we fell short in this case.



I have reviewed Robert's file in detail. All of our client information is held strictly confidential, so I will discuss my findings without disclosing any such information. Robert became a client in May, 2007. His income qualified him for our Diamond program which is designed for people with an income of $250,000 or more. He also purchased an IRA usiness system.



The progra foma ws tele o ffteen sessions over the course of 15 months. The savings guarantee was $100,000 - $200,000 and was certainly attainable. Robert's first session was held on May 15th and was conducted by two licensed professionals; one is a C.P.A. with over 20 years in public and tax accounting. Robert's other assigned coach is an attorney who practices law for a large firm in the Phoenix Arizona area.



Collectively, our team has over 125 years of professional experience. It currently includes three C.P.A's, and three attorneys, one of whom has an LLM in taxation and is a former revenue agent with the I.R.S.



Robert participated in 3 sessions with his coaching team: May 15, 2007, June 7, 2007 and June 27, 2007. He chose not to have his C.P.A. participate. In June he decided to discontinue his participation.



Instead of contacting us regarding any difficulties he was having, he opted instead to request a refund directly through his credit card company. When they denied the refund, Pathfinder sent him a letter on September 12, 2007 reiterating our desire to work with him. We also offered to expedite the delivery of our services, as that is something he seemed to want.



Robert chose to respond with a threatening letter from his attorney.



It is unfortunate that Robert chose to discontinue the program. Given the credentials of our professional staff, I don't agree with his conclusion regarding their capability. It is of course, impossible for Robert to receive the results of the program that he stopped participating in. This would be true of any educational program, even say for a Harvard University student.



We stand behind our programs. The strategies we teach are all completely legal and time tested. They do not cause audits, but they have withstood the riggers of scrutiny by the IRS. We have worked with over 4000 clients since I started the business 10 years ago, and the overwhelming majority of our clients are satisfied with their results. They have been willing to do the work necessary to actually implement the strategies, not merely stand on the sidelines critiquing.



Our guarantee covers Pathfinder Business Strategies performance. If we don't find the savings we promise, we give our clients 110% of their fee back. We can do that because we are confident in our abilities. The guarantee does not cover a client who decides not to participate or execute the strategies.



As a good faith gesture, I would be willing to personally work with Robert. I will only consider strategies that have been proven both legal and effective. It will require an open mind and a willingness to implement the strategies on his part. I am up for it if he is.



Please see our letter below reaching out to Mr. Guillot:



Mr. Robert Guilliot

404 Overlake Rd

Raeford, NC 28376



Dear Robert:



The information you posted on the internet gave me the opportunity to review your file. While I don't agree with your conclusion, I feel badly that you did not have a good experience with our team.



I can see from your 2006 returns that you are grossly overpaying your taxes and unless you have made significant improvements, that is probably still true today.



I'd like to offer to work with you personally so that we can put the past behind us and get you the positive results that you deserve. Please contact Cyndie at 772-228-7715 to let me know if you would be interested in taking me up on my offer.



Sincerely,







Drew Miles

President











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#10 Consumer Suggestion

Use Internet and Books to Lower Your Taxes

AUTHOR: Buyer Beware - (U.S.A.)

I strongly recommend that people do their due diligence. My recommendation is to read Sandy Botkins book, Lower Your Taxes Big Time. The cost of the book is approximately $20 -- certainly a better price than the cost of the coaching programs.
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#11 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Response from Drew Miles

AUTHOR: Pathfinder Business Strategies - (U.S.A.)

Drew Miles here. I am the founder and CEO of Pathfinder Business Strategies. To date my company policy has been not to reply to any comments posted on the Ripoff Report. Nevertheless, this particular posting is so malicious and untrue that it warrants a comment from me.



James Stouffer was never an employee of mine or any company I have ever owned. In fact, I never heard of him until his name was brought to my attention last week by one of my employees. Mr. Stouffer has left 5 threatening messages on our company voice mail systems which, in his own words, describe an extortion scheme. I consider his actions to be illegal and therefore, we have handed the matter over to the Indian River County Sheriff's Office - Case number 09-9901 and he will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. They have notified me that this matter is so egregious that they are turning it over to the Florida State Attorney's Office. Accordingly, I have no further comment at this time regarding Mr. Stouffer.



Concerning Robert G., I offer the following reply:



Robert joined our Executive Diamond Program in May of 2007. He was assigned two of my top coaches, one is an attorney the other a C.P.A. with 25 years experience. He had three coaching sessions with our team. Each session lasted approximately 90 minutes.



The actions we recommended have been used with over 4,000 of our students and clients to legally enable them to reduce their taxes and protect their assets. Mr. G requested a more aggressive approach. In his words, he wanted us to "come up with something drastic", which in our opinion, may have been illegal, or reckless at the very least.



His failure to pay in full for the services provided and his desire to use unjustifiable strategies caused us to discontinue working with him.
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#12 UPDATE Employee

Please Contact Me So that I Can Assist You with Legal Action

AUTHOR: Jamesstouffer - (U.S.A.)

Robert,



I was an employee of Drew Miles and witnessed his Ponzi Scheme. You are correct. The Small Business Administration has a FREE progam called (((Redacted))), which offers everything that Drew Miles alleges to offer. He has hundreds of dissatisfied clients which leave threatening messages on his voicemail. He ignores them. He takes your money and then sells your confidential business information: federal tax ID number, tax documents, credit information to underground credit farms which he makes even more money when they destroy your business credit.



If you are interested in details on how to twist your money out of him, contact me.



James S

(((Redacted)))



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