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  • Submitted: Wed, March 16, 2005
  • Updated: Fri, January 17, 2014

  • Reported By:Powell Ohio
ENTREPRENEUR EXPANSION CORPORATION - Bill Lougheed
312-1235 Fairview ST. Suite 312 Burlington, Ontario Canada

Profit Warriors REVIEW: Profit Warriors strive to add value in services with understanding a successful business model based on value-added services, and client care. Profit Warriors' executive team and employees are committed to customer satisfaction. Profit Warriors’ approach to business is focused on providing the highest customer satisfaction in the industry by creating gifted, talented, and wealthy "stakeholders".
*UPDATE: Profit Warriors pledges their commitment to always improving their operations by joining Ripoff Report’s Corporate Advocacy, Business Remediation and Customer Satisfaction Program. A program that benefits the consumer by increasing their confidence when doing business with a member business. Profit Warriors is recognized by Ripoff Report Verified™ as a safe business service.

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EDitor’s UPDATE: Ripoff Report Verified™ gives a positive rating and recognition to Profit Warriors for its commitment to excellence and total satisfaction in customer service.

During Ripoff Report’s discussions with Profit Warriors' executives have given Ripoff Report a written commitment to total client satisfaction. This means that clients can expect that the company will work towards finding a mutually satisfactory resolution to any complaints or concerns. Profit Warriors goes above and beyond through listening carefully to client concerns, taking the opportunity to learn from past mistakes and become more efficient as a company.

Profit Warriors’ principal, Mr. William (Billy) Lougheed, a.k.a “The Profit Warrior” has informed Ripoff Report that his personal philosophy is that Profit Warrior is not just a business; it is a name, a philosophy, and a way of life. As a successful businessman, Mr. Lougheed feels it is critical to listen to his clients and respond properly. By always putting his customers first, Mr. Lougheed hopes to maintain Profit Warriors as a successful enterprise both now and for many years to come.

Another top executive of the company told us that Mr. Lougheed’s personal business philosophy is based on the premise that "strives to add value in its services as they understand that a successful business model is based on value-added services, and client care”. Profit Warriors’ mission statement and Trade Mark says it all: "Profit is a Team Sport™"

The information provided in this report below is based on comments made by William Longheed during an on-site inspection held by a third party verification company with no biases toward Profit Warriors.
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In an effort to acquire potential clients, Profit Warriors work mainly with face to face sales. Some of their methods include: knocking on doors, telemarketing, emails, trade shows etc. They are committed to any marketing method that will prove beneficial to their sales.

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Profit Warriors recognizes that each product is unique. They promote the website www.gobigidea.com which allows them to reach a vast number of potential clients by describing the types of services they are equipped to help with. Upon closing a sale, Profit Warriors provides the client with a brochure, a contract, a script, and a comprehensive list of what they will do for them.

Profit Warriors target a very specific market consumer. They practice a business to business method and focus their attention toward consumers such as existing retail merchants, people with no business experience but who wish to own their own business, “grizzled vets” who want to buy a franchise etc.

In order to advise and suggest products and solutions for customers, Profit Warriors use a specialty system called “needs analysis.” This system includes a series of questions such as: “Who are you?” “What do you want to do?” “Who do you want to become?” By obtaining the answers to these questions, Profit Warriors are able to provide a wide variety of helpful information to their customers.

When dealing with a complaint, Profit Warriors follows a specific process. First, they call the client and ask them to fill out a communication memo. Next, they report it in their system to determine a resolution. Then, they issue goals, objectives, and an action plan. Lastly, they perform a quality control inspection to make sure the correction was made.

During the course of the onsite interview, the owner Mr. Lougheed, described an instance when a client was not satisfied with the level of service they received: “The most typical complaint we receive is an ATO where the business closes and the bailiff has left a notice stating that the contents will be sold. We help the client identify a new location and, if necessary, we personally retrieve the machine and replace it for the client.”

Profit Warriors enforces a strong return policy in which ATM clients have a 30 day money back guarantee, but after 30 days there is no recourse.

When asked what he feels sets Profit Warriors apart from other competitors, Mr. Lougheed believes that focusing on good ideas and profit, rather than selling a product, allows them to be successful. In addition, they provide a unique service to their customers by increasing sales and profit, while decreasing cost.

The company mentioned changes they have seen within the company to provide the best customer service possible, Mr. Lougheed was firm in his response stating, “Hire the best, fire the rest. Customer service representatives must follow company principles or are removed.”

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Mr. Lougheed was very enthusiastic about being a part of Ripoff Reports Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation and Customer Satisfaction Program. He explained, “I’m a ‘show me’ guy. I am aware of the power of Ripoff Report. I hope this program will be a positive avenue to increase profit, decrease cost, and allow clients to vent in a positive way that will allow us to mediate.”

Profit Warriors are continuously working on all aspects of their internal processes and procedures. Specifically, they are very focused on improving leadership, marketing operations, and finance.

Profit Warriors/ Statements from the owner.

?My name is William (Billy) Lougheed aka “the Profit Warrior”…and I am the owner and CEO of Profit Warriors. I would like to thank you for taking the time to review and listen to the Profit Warrior Story. Profit Warrior is not just a business; it is a name, a philosophy and a way of life for those that are fortunate enough to be alive to hear the message, make the cut, join the team, survive the training, lose some battles but continue to fight in the Financial WAR that haunts many of us. Profit Warriors’ mission is to love and appreciate your creator, love others as yourself, which translates for me as: give thanks and appreciate what I have, do no harm, reduce waist, help those less fortunate, and ultimately Fight for and invest my life, my money, and the lives of my family into things that really matter.

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While the goods and services Profit Warriors offers will change from time to time, our Philosophy is simple, fight for profit. Profit is not a dirty word as many would have you believe. By my definition, profit is a command. It is a command to create abundance . You may have heard the words, 'In the beginning God…' (what?) 'created.' You may also be familiar with, 'We are made in… (Whose Image?) 'our Creator's’. I believe we were born to create, be creative to try, fail, win, and lose, so don’t be afraid of the tag line 'Profit Warrior' and don’t be afraid to work hard, make lots of money, spend less than you make, save a little, and invest the rest into others and systems that matter."

Why create abundance? When you have 'more than enough', it is easy to share, easy to give, easy to pay your taxes, easy to love, and easy to overcome adversity. In my opinion 'thanklessness' and/or 'financial hardship (a.k.a. bad attitudes) are the leading cause of business failures, marriage failures, and dysfunctions of all sorts. The solution? If you can work, get off your ass and go to work. If there is no work, volunteer your time to a worthy cause. If you are working full time, make your money work in the same manner. Invest your life (including your time, money and other resources) into things that matter. Help, work, create jobs, and re-invest your money wisely in your local neighbor who has some time and needs a hand up from time to time, as we all do.

Anyone can succeed when times are great! Everyone is your friend when your pockets are full of cash and you have 'abundance'. A Profit Warrior shines in adverse conditions. You may know some places where few will go, fewer will follow and almost all your friends would abandon you, though they might have previously promised to be your friend. While we are not perfect, Profit Warriors will most likely also let you down from time to time, but you have my promise, that when we let you down, when we drop the ball, when we screw up, or when we fail or neglect to return that call in a timely fashion, we will fix it or die trying.

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One of my jobs as Chief Executive Officer of this company is to hire the best and fire the rest. While many don’t like that saying, we here at Profit Warriors know how hard it is to put together a championship team. I want to win this game called life and I need help. I want to surround myself with the best players I can find and afford. Some of you have experienced playing for team of slackers. The definition of a slacker is a person that does just enough to get by, they never give their all, never leave it all on the court, they never considering trying their best. You know what I’m talking about! Some of you have played on teams of amazingly talented, professional, high performers (in sports or business) and these people, well, they take pride in their work, they create abundance for all, and they make sacrifices above and beyond whatever is asked of them. When you're on those teams, you count your blessings and hope they don’t kick you off because you are not good enough. ?

Profit Warriors is always on the lookout for talented, gifted and wealthy 'Stakeholders' who understand this. Just so you don’t mis-quote me, wealth is not how much money you have in your pocket or in your bank account. I’ll let you figure out what wealth really is to you, but by my definition, wealth has a lot to do with the ability to create abundance in ones’ life, your team’s life and others around you.

Profit Warriors is committed to this end. We help businesses increase sales, cut costs, and create jobs. Although we do measure and evaluate our successes and failures its’ not always about the bottom line as measured by a Balance Sheet, Profit and Loss Statement, or a Cash Flow Statement.

Should you wish to become a fellow Profit Warrior in your area, or, should you wish to have a Profit Warrior in your local area help you open a business, increase sales, cut costs, create jobs, fend off people that would otherwise hurt you, laugh with enemies, cry with friends or visa versa, please look us up, call us, email us, fax us, tell us your story and I want to know what will it take for us to win your business and your trust ?

One employee states, "Profit Warriors’ installation team has expressed that they feel very confident doing their job."

Profit Warriors/ Statements from the Service Manager

Mr. Lougheed takes a personal interest in making sure systems and businesses get installed, up and working on time, on budget, as promised for the customer. I have worked for Mr. Lougheed for more than 15 years now and can say, without hesitation, he has earned the title 'The Profit Warrior'. You gotta meet him and 'go to war with him' to fully understand what I mean. Generally, he acts more like a tough hockey coach than he does a CEO. He is not always liked and I am sure he has lots of enemies, but he is respected by all the staff and our clients. He tolerates few repeated mistakes but takes time to work with and train rookie business owners and staff. He hates slothfulness, disorganization and quitters. He uses the word 'system' in almost everything he does and every part of his business, which gets annoying at times. He demands the best for his clients while requiring them to pay as little money as possible to, according to him, 'Help them stay in business and make more money for themselves.' This is a fight in and of itself. He hires and fires team members decisively and we have had moments where I felt like quitting and /or I thought he was going to fire me! All that being said, he is loyal, dedicated, and patient. Mr. Lougheed has a purpose, passion, drive, and a vision for the future like I have seen in no other.

In conclusion, you really gotta meet this guy in person to do him justice. Mr. Lougheed is exactly the type of person I would want by my side when tough times hit. During the good times he makes plans, plans, and implements more plans, a.k.a. Ideas, to prepare for the tough times, which I guess, isn’t a bad thing to do.

Note 1: It always gives me great pleasure to speak with and reminisce with some of my many ATM customers (now many years after the initial ATM install) to see and review their audited financials with them which demonstrate their business equity has grown and they are still making substantial profits daily from transaction fees and technologies I personally installed more than 12-15 Years ago!

Note 2: Some of the stuff Mr. Lougheed comes up with is nothing short of brilliant! I have seen many businesses that should have failed be 'picked up by the boot straps' with what seemed like, at first anyway, stupid little ideas, but then those stupid little ideas resulted in huge windfalls. So yes, I have come to trust Mr. Lougheed’s decisions, though not always popular at the time he makes them.

Note 3: I am Proud to call myself a fellow Profit Warrior as a result of the above.

Ripoff Report was pleased to learn that Profit Warriors’ past and current approach to business is focused on its pledge to total commitment towards client and employee satisfaction.

STATED IMPROVEMENTS FROM PROFIT WARRIORS.

Profit Warriors recently recognized that complaints posted on Ripoff Report (whether true or not) are customers who need to be addressed and satisfied, not ignored. If handled correctly, complaints can be valuable learning opportunities. With the feedback generated by Ripoff Report’s review Profit Warriors has made organizational changes allowing its clients and employees a more streamlined approach to complaint resolution and a commitment to the upmost in customer satisfaction.

In summary, after Ripoff Report's review, which included discussions with Mr. Lougheed, Ripoff Report is convinced that Profit Warriors is committed to quality delivery of services resulting in total client satisfaction.

As a Part of the Corporate Advocacy Program the member business allows Ripoff Report to send an email to all of those who filed a complaint in the past, letting the customer know, the member business wanted to make things right with them, .. whatever it takes to do so. Ripoff Report always monitors these emails to insure the member business does what they agreed to. The people at Profit Warriors - EEC Corporation did just that. Everything within reason.

Read more about why consumers should feel confident when doing business with a member of Rip-off Report's Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation & Customer Satisfaction Program. Yes, it’s a long name for a program that does a lot for both consumers and businesses alike.

Read about Ripoff Report Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation & Customer Satisfaction Program, a program that benefits the consumer and assures them of complete satisfaction and confidence when doing business with a member business. This program works.

As a matter of policy, when a business becomes a member of the Corporate Advocacy Program they agree to allow Ripoff Report to contact every client who filed a complaint so they can make things right with them. In order to confirm that the complaints were resolved, Ripoff Report is copied on all responses so we can insure that the member business did right by their customer.

NOTICE: About the Report below.

Ripoff Report (((REDACTED))) some offending words and false accusations/statements because we found what was posted to be completely false. If the posting was true, there would have been legitimate proof or documentation. The claims were absolutely ridiculous. Ripoff Report was not sent any evidence for the claims the author of the Report below made. Unfortunately in this case it looks like this is a competitor of this business,as many jealous practitioners in this business (and other businesses) wrongly trying to tarnish good reputations so they can falsely help themselves to more sales resulting. As a matter of policy, when a business joins the Corporate Advocacy Business Remediation and Customer Satisfaction Program, .. Ripoff Report emails everyone that filed a complaint so the member business can make things right with them. Our program calls for the member business to err on the side of the customer. Of course, everything within reason. It is our opinion, the Report below is bogus. Ripoff Report hired a 3rd party verifier who inspected the offices of Profit Warrior and found them to be legitimate with the credentials supporting this fact.

----------------------------------------------- NOW TO THE ORIGINAL REPORT THAT WAS FILED

ENTREPRENEUR EXPANSION CORPORATION & Bill Lougheed RIPOFF of middle aged retiring woman. liar, thief, con man, smoke and mirror performer! Burlington Ontario

I found EEC at a franchise show in Columbus, Ohio. EEC sells Automated Teller Machines and their companion company LOCADEL sells the placement of these machines.

I was offered locations in the United Kingdom. I was to receive great locations in night clubs, convenient stores, hotels etc. I could have my choice of available locations. ATM's in proven bad locations would be moved at no expense, after a reasonable period of time.

I did my due diligence with contacting other investors, Better Business Bureau, and speaking with Bill Lougheed, the President of EEC. I then invested $75,000 on 5 machines and the placemnet of each. Many months went by and I was not able to contact anyone to discuss my investment. Bill Lougheed had never heard of me.

Eventually after much upset, EEC found my machines and sent me monthly reports and even checks every so often. I had 5 machines that were producing nicely, plus I had the benefit of the exchange rate. Then things changed.

I have not had a check for an entire year. Bill Lougheed will not correspond with me or take my calls. No one seems to know what happened to my 5 producing machines.

Bill Lougheed is a liar, thief, con man, smoke and mirror performer. I am not able to understand how this thief is still walking free much less still in business. Bill Lougheed needs to step up and make my investment good just like he did for Neil in North Carolina.

HaHa! Now he is in the UK trying to locate my machines. What a joke. Where are my machines? Who is collecting the income? Steer clear of this man and anything to do with this company.Ripoff!

Nancy
Powell, Ohio
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 03/16/2005 02:29 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/ENTREPRENEUR-EXPANSION-CORPORATION-Bill-Lougheed/Burlington-Ontario-117s2k9/ENTREPRENEUR-EXPANSION-CORPORATION-Bill-Lougheed-RIPOFF-of-middle-aged-retiring-woman-l-135259. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Author of original report

Bill Lougheed is still a Thief

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Bill Lougheed is a very sick individual. Steer clear of him.  His corrupt, deceptive behavior runs deep and wide.
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#2 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Nancy Denutte is "Suspect" & "Less than Honest"...41+ Year Old, Rich, Bitter Lady Refusing to do ANY work

AUTHOR: William - (Canada)

Ms. Denutte, the Editor of Ripoff Report, and all..

1. Mr. Lougheed has never stopped caring and he has always been concerned for anyone who was been affected by their business not working out for them. This even includes a person like Ms. Denutte who REFUSE TO DO ANY WORK for her business.

2. Mr. Lougheed communicates with ANYONE who calls him and asks for help. Some, just don't like the truth, or the real facts.

The Truth and the Facts are fairly simple:

3. Contrary to Ms. Denuttes' previous statements on ripoff report we found she not only knew about the Trustee, the Lawyer and the Bankruptcy, she sent in a proof of claim to the Trustee, the Lawyer and the Bankruptcy and she was...
"duly noted as a creditor", by the Trustee per her request. (2 years ago).

4. As a result, she is obliged to deal with the Trustee. Therefore we find Ms. Denutte is being "less than honest" and her requests for assistance are "suspect", hold badges of "fraudulent intent" and are outright "illegal".

5. Mr. Lougheed (as promised) sent Ms. Denutte an email with information to help her, inclusive of:
a) Contact information of the people in charge of the EEC Bankruptcy,
b) A Position statement on the challenges Ms. Denutte's ATM business faced,
c) A few steps Ms. Denutte could follow to get some answers from the Trustee,
d) A few things Ms. Denutte could do to get some answers from the Inspectors,
e) A list of fellow creditors who may be willing to help Ms. Denutte,
f) Two, 1 page forms Ms. Denutte could use to exercise her rights as a creditor,
g) An invitation for Ms. Denutte to come to the Creditor meeting or, in the alternative, send her vote, her direction and her opinion to the meeting to be entered into the minutes of the meeting....
...JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER CREDITORS ARE DOING.

6. Ms. Denutte now advises us (and Rip Off Report):
a) She has not contacted the UK to create solutions for her ATMs business,
b) She has not contacted the people in charge of the bankruptcy, except for her initial proof of claim, (2 years ago)...
c) She has not filled in forms which allow her a say and a share in proceeds which she might be entitled, except for her initial proof of claim, (2 years ago)...
d) She has not exercised her right to vote so she can provide direction in all matters she complains of,
e) She has not done ANY work which would allow her to share in any proceeds from her business or the bankruptcy proceedings,
f) She has not educated herself on the facts, and publicly asks for illegal favors,
g) She continues to fail to understand that her public demands for Mr. Lougheed, or anyone else, to pay her money outside of the bankruptcy is illegal and a violation of the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act here in Canada and the US,
h) She continues to fail to understand that the individuals that Mr. Lougheed helped, initially helped themselves, and Mr. Lougheed freely volunteered his time and energy along side with them to get their businesses back on track.
i) She continues to be jealous of those who created results with their businesses by WORKING HARD to make their businesses profitable when things weren't going perfectly for them either.
j) She continues to insult the rest of the legitimate hard working creditors who have voted, filled in their forms and further who are going through the proper channels and making some headway...while she is stonewalled by the Trustee.
...thus there is little we can do to cure Ms. Denutte's ignorance at this point, other than to repeat...Ms. Denutte seek professional legal and accounting advice.

7. Ms. Denutte, to you we also say, "You are welcome for the information we have provide you so far", though you have never said "thank you".

8. Should Ms. Denutte actually CHOOSE TO DO SOME WORK by filling out a form, or casting a vote, or making her voice heard to the trustee, as is her right, this may go a long way to alleviating what appears to be her self created frustration.

9. Ms. Denutte, like ALL other creditors, is invited to a Creditors Union meeting at Quality Inn, Niagara Room, on Thursday November 15, 2007...327 Ontario Street, St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada, or, where they cannot physically attend, they may contact our office via an email to: b.lougheed@goeec.com and request an agenda, updates, lists, forms, rules and procedures, all of which will be sent to them, upon request. (Ms. Denutte already has her copies).

10. We will keep ripoffreport informed of Ms. Denutte's attendance, or her non- attendance, as permitted, and as appropriate.

Post Meeting Update:

11. Ms. Denutte Failed to show at a meeting which would have gotten 100% of her questions answered.

12. Ms. Denutte did not fax, call, email or mail ANY DOCUMENTS in support of her position to the other 223 Creditors who were represented at that meeting.

13. Ms. Denutte did not contact the Trustee, nor other creditors, not did she vote.

14. MS. DENUTTE HAS DONE NO WORK, alleges she is retired, has lots of money, while Mr. Lougheed continues to work to help people legitimately injured.

15. It was suggested by one of our members that Ms. Nancy Denutte (and her money) are sponsored by Al-Qaeda as she appears to embrace their philosophies See (A), below.

16. At the meeting it was noted that Mr. William (Bill) Lougheed is the father of five (5) children, all under the age of twelve (12), each of whom need him to spend time with them.

17. Yes, Mr. Lougheed is a Canadian Citizen, served for (4) four years with the Canadian Military reserve of 56 Field, 10 Battery (Artillery) in the preservation of Canadian, US and UK liberties, however, we ask our American and United Kingdom friends to honor him, not to hold these facts against him. (Terrorists should be VERY afraid of Mr. Lougheed!)

18. At that meeting it was also agreed that Mr. Lougheed has taken time away from his children, and his country, to provide solutions to Ms. Denutte (and people like her) who allege they have been harmed.

19. At that meeting it was also agreed that individuals like Ms. Denutte who fail to show, fail to vote, fail to work, fail to co-operate, fail to be reasonable, fail to help....etc...are not the highest priority within this group.

20. At that meeting it was also agreed that the EEC Creditor Union Group needs Mr. Lougheed, and further, that people like Ms. Denutte are trying to destroy this Human Resource that more than 500 other individuals and businesses currently enjoy and appreciate.

21. At that meeting it was also agreed neither Mr. Lougheed (nor his franchisees) should do ANY work for Ms. Denutte as a result of facts that "there are only so many hours in the day" to respond to Nancy Denutte type Terrorism...and further that her demands need to dealt with by Bankruptcy and Insolvency, Homeland Security or other Legal Authorities.

22. At that meeting it was also agreed we are all exhausted and tired of "Problems With No Solutions" which are typical of "Denutte type Terrorists.

23. Ms. Nancy Denutte has provided no SOLUTIONS, thus we are still at a loss.

24. We further, respectfully request a response from the EDitor of Ripoffreport.com on this matter. Such response is solicited and would be appreciated.

(A) Foot note: Terrorism in the modern sense[1] is violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians for political or other ideological goals.[2] Most definitions of terrorism include only those acts which are intended to create fear or "terror", are perpetrated for an ideological goal (as opposed to a lone attack), and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants. Many definitions also include only acts of unlawful violence.
Al-Qaeda (also al-Qaida or al-Qa'ida or al-Qa'idah) (Arabic: al-qida, translation: The Base) is an international alliance of Islamic militant organizations founded in 1988[4] by Osama bin Laden and other veteran "Afghan Arabs" after the Soviet War in Afghanistan. Al-Qaeda has attacked civilian and military targets in various countries, the most notable being the September 11, 2001 attacks that occurred in New York City and Northern Virginia. These actions were followed by the U.S. government launching a military and intelligence campaign against al-Qaeda called "War on Terror". The group has been defined as "a radical Sunni Muslim umbrella organization established to recruit young Muslims into the Afghani mujahideen and is aimed to establish Islamist states throughout the world, overthrow un-Islamic regimes', expel U.S. soldiers and Western influence from the Gulf, and capture Jerusalem as a Muslim city," by the United States Department of Defense.[5] [6] Al-Qaeda's objectives include the end of foreign influence in Muslim countries and the creation of a new Islamic caliphate. Reported beliefs include that a Christian-Jewish alliance is conspiring to destroy Islam,[7] and that the killing of bystanders and civilians is Islamically justified in jihad.[8] Its management philosophy has been described as "centralization of decision and decentralization of execution."[9] Characteristic terror techniques include use of suicide attacks and simultaneous bombings of different targets.[10] Activities ascribed to it may involve members of the organization, who have taken a pledge of loyalty to bin Laden, or the much more numerous "Al-Qaeda-linked" individuals who have undergone training in one of its camps in Afghanistan or Sudan but not taken any pledge.[11] Following 9/11 and the launching of the war on terror, it is thought al-Qaeda's leadership has "become geographically isolated", leading to the "emergence of decentralized leadership" of regional groups using the al-Qaeda "brand name."[12][13]Al-Qaeda has been labeled a terrorist organization by the United Nations Security Council,[14] the North Atlantic Treaty Organization Secretary General,[15][16] the Commission of the European Communities of the European Union,[17] the United States Department of State,[18] the Australian Government,[19] Public Safety Canada,[20] the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs,[21] Japan's Diplomatic Bluebook,[22] South Korean Foreign Ministry,[23] the Dutch Military Intelligence and Security Service,[24] the United Kingdom Home Office,[25] Russia,[26] the Swedish Ministry for Foreign Affairs,[27] and the Swiss Government.[28] Due to its secrecy and structure of semi-autonomous cells, al-Qaeda's size and degree of responsibility for particular attacks are difficult to establish.

If you think Education is Expensive, you should try Ignorance.
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#3 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Nancy Denutte Illegal Demands, No attendance at Meetings, No willingness to work, No willingness to vote

AUTHOR: William - (Canada)

To Ms. D--- and the Editor of Ripoff Report.

1. We appreciate and respect Ms. D---'s apprehension of personally attending any meetings. We further respect her rights NOT to attend.

2. She does have a right to vote in the bankruptcy proceedings, without attending meetings (She has been provided the forms to do this).

3. She further has a right to accurate and timely answers to her questions from the Trustee and the Inspectors. (She has been provided the forms to do this).

4. She also has a right to her fair share of any and all proceeds in the estate of the bankrupt, pursuant the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act.
(She has filed a proof of Claim, thus she is also entitled to an Income and Disbursement Report from the Trustee, complete with any money
that she may be entitled to from the estate).

5. She further has the privilege of being assisted (FREE of charge) by the creditors of the EEC Creditors Union. They have all volunteered and
agreed to openly share information with her. We believe access to this information and other creditors (who are also frustrated) might assist
in alleviating some of her frustration and lack of knowledge about facts and events surrounding her business challenges.
(She has been provided the forms to join the EEC Creditor Union, without attending, allowing us to do some work for her, for FREE).

Hope this helps.

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#4 Author of original report

I will not be attending any meetings with Ponzi Scheme operator Bill Lougheed

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

This will be my last entry here at Rip-Off, at least until I have money returned to me from this thief. I do not anticipate receiving money or ATM's, only Bill's furious rhetoric. He deserves a jail cell.
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#5 REBUTTAL Owner of company

"Suspect" & "Less than Honest"...Nancy Denutte, 41+ Year Old, Rich, Bitter Lady Refusing to do ANY work

AUTHOR: William - (Canada)

Ms. Denutte, the Editor of Ripoff Report, and all..

1. Mr. Lougheed has never stopped caring and he has always been concerned for anyone who was been affected by their business not working out for them. This even includes a person like Ms. Denutte who REFUSES TO DO ANY WORK for her business. Mr. Lougheed communicates with ANYONE who calls him and asks for help. Some, just don't like the truth, or the real facts.

The Truth and the Facts are fairly simple:

2. Contrary to Ms. Denuttes' previous statements on ripoff report we found she not only knew about the Trustee, the Lawyer and the Bankruptcy, she sent in a proof of claim to the Trustee, the Lawyer and the Bankruptcy and she was...
"duly noted as a creditor", by the Trustee per her request. (2 years ago).

3. As a result, she is obliged to deal with the Trustee. Therefore we find Ms. Denutte is being "less than honest" and her requests for assistance are "suspect", hold badges of "fraudulent intent" and are outright "illegal".

4. Mr. Lougheed (as promised) sent Ms. Denutte an email with information to help her, inclusive of:
a) Contact information of the people in charge of the EEC Bankruptcy,
b) A Position statement on the challenges Ms. Denutte's ATM business faced,
c) A few steps Ms. Denutte could follow to get some answers from the Trustee,
d) A few things Ms. Denutte could do to get some answers from the Inspectors,
e) A list of fellow creditors who may be willing to help Ms. Denutte,
f) Two, 1 page forms Ms. Denutte could use to exercise her rights as a creditor,
g) An invitation for Ms. Denutte to come to the Creditor meeting or, in the alternative, send her vote, her direction and her opinion to the meeting to be entered into the minutes of the meeting....
...JUST LIKE ALL THE OTHER CREDITORS ARE DOING.

5. Ms. Denutte now advises us:
a) She has not contacted the UK to create solutions for her ATMs business,
b) She has not contacted the people in charge of the bankruptcy, except for her initial proof of claim, (2 years ago)...
c) She has not filled in forms which allow her a say and a share in proceeds which she might be entitled, except for her initial proof of claim, (2 years ago)...
d) She has not exercised her right to vote so she can provide direction in all matters she complains of,
e) She has not done ANY work which would allow her to share in any proceeds from her business or the bankruptcy proceedings,
f) She has not educated herself on the facts, and publicly asks for illegal favors,
g) She continues to fail to understand that her public demands for Mr. Lougheed, or anyone else, to pay her money outside of the bankruptcy is illegal and a violation of the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act here in Canada and the US,
h) She continues to fail to understand that the individuals that Mr. Lougheed helped, initially helped themselves, and Mr. Lougheed freely volunteered his time and energy along side with them to get their businesses back on track.
i) She continues to be jealous of those who created results with their businesses by WORKING HARD to make their businesses profitable when things weren't going perfectly for them either.
j) She continues to insult the rest of the legitimate hard working creditors who have voted, filled in their forms and further who are going through the proper channels and making some headway...while she is stonewalled by the Trustee.

...thus there is little we can do to cure Ms. Denutte's ignorance at this point, other than to repeat...Ms. Denutte seek professional legal and accounting advice.

6. Ms. Denutte, to you we also say, "You are welcome for the information we have provide you so far", though you have never said "thank you".

7. Should Ms. Denutte actually CHOOSE TO DO SOME WORK by filling out a form, or casting a vote, or making her voice heard to the trustee, as is her right, this might go a long way to alleviating what appears to be her self created frustration.

8. Ms. Denutte, like ALL other creditors, is invited to a Creditors Union meeting at Quality Inn, Niagara Room, on Thursday November 15, 2007...327 Ontario Street, St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada, or, where they cannot physically attend, they may contact our office via an email to: b.lougheed@goeec.com and request an agenda, updates, lists, forms, rules and procedures, all of which will be sent to them, upon request. (Ms. Denutte already has her copies).

9. We will keep ripoffreport informed of Ms. Denutte's attendance, or her non- attendance, as permitted, and as appropriate.

"If you thought Education was expensive you should try ignorance"
The Late Learner
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#6 Author of original report

WOW! Your ex-Chief Operating Officer accuses you of fraud!

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

It has just been brought to my attention that Entrepreneur Expansion Corporation will be having a "Creditor Union Meeting" in regards to the bankruptcy, this Thursday, 11/15/2007. It has also been brought to my attention that the following people
Larry Eggleton, Chief Operating Office, Entrepreneur Expansion Corp.
Tim Lickman, V.P, Sales Marketing, EEC
Tracey Lickman,
Ellen Vriend, employee of EEC that I had contact with about the phantom ATM's
Canada Revenue Agency and the Inspectors of the bankruptcy of EEC
have provided the following information to the court.

1) Initially alleging "Hundreds of individuals paid EEC for nothing in exchange"
2) "Hundreds of individual ATM investors bought ATM's with no locations to place those same ATM's"

The total number of creditors listed is 239 for a total of $6,928,826.

There will be a Creditor Union Meeting, November 15, at the Quality Hotel, 327 Ontario Street, St. Catherines, Ont. at 7 pm.
I am one of those who paid for nothing in exchange. It looks like Bill Lougheed is very worried about this. He has been calling my house and sending me emails. Just send my money back Bill and I will tell all what an honest guy you have turned into.
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WOW! Your ex-Chief Operating Officer accuses you of fraud!

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

It has just been brought to my attention that Entrepreneur Expansion Corporation will be having a "Creditor Union Meeting" in regards to the bankruptcy, this Thursday, 11/15/2007. It has also been brought to my attention that the following people
Larry Eggleton, Chief Operating Office, Entrepreneur Expansion Corp.
Tim Lickman, V.P, Sales Marketing, EEC
Tracey Lickman,
Ellen Vriend, employee of EEC that I had contact with about the phantom ATM's
Canada Revenue Agency and the Inspectors of the bankruptcy of EEC
have provided the following information to the court.

1) Initially alleging "Hundreds of individuals paid EEC for nothing in exchange"
2) "Hundreds of individual ATM investors bought ATM's with no locations to place those same ATM's"

The total number of creditors listed is 239 for a total of $6,928,826.

There will be a Creditor Union Meeting, November 15, at the Quality Hotel, 327 Ontario Street, St. Catherines, Ont. at 7 pm.
I am one of those who paid for nothing in exchange. It looks like Bill Lougheed is very worried about this. He has been calling my house and sending me emails. Just send my money back Bill and I will tell all what an honest guy you have turned into.
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WOW! Your ex-Chief Operating Officer accuses you of fraud!

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

It has just been brought to my attention that Entrepreneur Expansion Corporation will be having a "Creditor Union Meeting" in regards to the bankruptcy, this Thursday, 11/15/2007. It has also been brought to my attention that the following people
Larry Eggleton, Chief Operating Office, Entrepreneur Expansion Corp.
Tim Lickman, V.P, Sales Marketing, EEC
Tracey Lickman,
Ellen Vriend, employee of EEC that I had contact with about the phantom ATM's
Canada Revenue Agency and the Inspectors of the bankruptcy of EEC
have provided the following information to the court.

1) Initially alleging "Hundreds of individuals paid EEC for nothing in exchange"
2) "Hundreds of individual ATM investors bought ATM's with no locations to place those same ATM's"

The total number of creditors listed is 239 for a total of $6,928,826.

There will be a Creditor Union Meeting, November 15, at the Quality Hotel, 327 Ontario Street, St. Catherines, Ont. at 7 pm.
I am one of those who paid for nothing in exchange. It looks like Bill Lougheed is very worried about this. He has been calling my house and sending me emails. Just send my money back Bill and I will tell all what an honest guy you have turned into.
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WOW! Your ex-Chief Operating Officer accuses you of fraud!

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

It has just been brought to my attention that Entrepreneur Expansion Corporation will be having a "Creditor Union Meeting" in regards to the bankruptcy, this Thursday, 11/15/2007. It has also been brought to my attention that the following people
Larry Eggleton, Chief Operating Office, Entrepreneur Expansion Corp.
Tim Lickman, V.P, Sales Marketing, EEC
Tracey Lickman,
Ellen Vriend, employee of EEC that I had contact with about the phantom ATM's
Canada Revenue Agency and the Inspectors of the bankruptcy of EEC
have provided the following information to the court.

1) Initially alleging "Hundreds of individuals paid EEC for nothing in exchange"
2) "Hundreds of individual ATM investors bought ATM's with no locations to place those same ATM's"

The total number of creditors listed is 239 for a total of $6,928,826.

There will be a Creditor Union Meeting, November 15, at the Quality Hotel, 327 Ontario Street, St. Catherines, Ont. at 7 pm.
I am one of those who paid for nothing in exchange. It looks like Bill Lougheed is very worried about this. He has been calling my house and sending me emails. Just send my money back Bill and I will tell all what an honest guy you have turned into.
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#10 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Ms. Nancy Denutte - Rich, Retired, Bitter, 40+ Year old Lady who refuses to Help herself

AUTHOR: William - (Canada)

2007-10-30:

Ms. Denutte is correct in that "There is still no resolution!"

1. We are advised that Mr. Lougheed called Ms. Denutte (last week) and, according to Mr. Lougheed, Ms. Denutte apparently "hung up" on Mr. Lougheed while Mr. Lougheed was attempting to provide (and repeat privately and sincerely) the information and the facts, as they may pertain to Ms. Denutte (See public Responses via Ripoffreport.com for exact details, time, dates and people involved) as she asked for the information and the evidence to be delivered to her.

2. Mr. Lougheed deals with hundreds of clients and is pleased to help PERSONALLY with ANYONE who, in the spirit of cooperation and fair play wants resolution and REAL solutions to their problems.

3. Mr. Lougheed "CALLS ALL LEGITIMATE COMPLAINANTS BACK. His philosophy is "Ignorance is the mother of ALL fear". Many people are afraid, hurt and scared by the realities their business imposes on them. They are "FURTHER INJURED" and "LASH OUT" when people WITH KNOWLEDGE, OR IN A POSITION OF TRUST, fail or refuse to return phone calls, emails, or help in ANY WAY.

4. Though Ms. Denutte "hung up" on Mr. Lougheed's call of last week, he still forwarded her an email which started.. "As Promised....."

5. Should Ms. Denutte grant us permission to release Mr. Lougheed's past, present and future emails delivered to and from Ms. Denutte, et al, to the benefit of the Editor of Ripoffreport.com (and the public at large), we will post the same, for all to see.

6. Ms. Denutte NOW admits facts as follows;
a) "Yes, I had in 2004, serial numbers for UK machines",
b) "and [I was] even told [about the] locations."
c) "I invested $75,000 and have received $4098.32 total in return."
d) "The last check was dated 7/30/2004."
e) "That was for the first half of the year from January through June of 2004."
f) "I have not received any money since."
g) "According to others involved it is certainly possible that they did not exist at
all and neither did the locations."
h) "There is only one resolution for me. Return my money/ or give me any proceeds from the sale of these five ATM's."
i) "There is nothing more that I can say"
j) "I know nothing of this attorney and any bankruptcy filing."

6. We Repeat, and for GREATER CERTAINTY, PROVIDE DETAILS AS FOLLOWS: Entrepreneur Expansion Corp was petitioned into bankruptcy by
Sam Beninato a.k.a. Plumbing Mart (Toronto), a.k.a. Renovation Capital Acceptance Corporation, a.k.a. Renosystems International Inc., email samBeninato@renocanada.com, a.k.a....too many trading names to mention...Bankruptcy Petition on or about April, 2004....THEN...
"HELL was unleashed upon Ms. Denutte's business interests (and many others) locally and over seas."

7. We Repeat: Entrepreneur Expansion Corp. is currently being run and managed by the Trustee and the Inspectors to the Bankruptcy. Many ATMs (at least 21) that are unaccounted for are with Key Biz Tactics Corporation (Welland, Ontario), per Tim (Mark) Lickman admissions, under oath:

8. Further, the names and contacts you have been provided (and are public knowledge) are:
a) Petitioner: Sam Beninato (Photo Attached)
1534 Midland Avenue
Scarborough, ON M1P 3C2
TEL: 416-285-6798
FAX: 416-285-1825
Email: franchiseinfo@renocanada.com
Email:samBeninato@renocanada.com,
"He sells Franchises!", "Talk to my lawyer!"

b) Trustee: Hartley Bricks (Photo Attached)
Email: Hartley_Bricks@mintzca.com,
"The Kansas City Star, Mo., Gambling and Tourism column By Rick Alm, The Kansas City Star, Mo. Knight Ridder/Tribune Business News Feb. 8
"Canadian accountants and a gaggle of gambling and lodging industry veterans, including one indicted in the late '70s in an alleged kickback scandal involving a Las Vegas casino and the Teamsters Union. Majority interest in the River Falls effort is held by AL and HARLEY MINTZ, founder and managing partner respectively, of MINTZ AND PARTNERS LIMITED, a Toronto-based accounting and business consulting firm."
"Where's the E?", "We have a lawyer now...Stop calling us".

c) Ms. Vivian Dimas: Executive Partner,
Tel: 416-444-4060
Fax: 416-285-8969
Email: viviand@hrconnects.com
Website: www.hrconnects.com
"I refuse to return phone calls-emails from these idiots."

d) Don Hallam: HE WON'T GIVE OUT ANY DETAILS OF HIS WHEREABOUTS.

e) Sam Babe and Steven Graff...Aird and Berlis: Sponsor of "The Dragons Den",
Tel: (416) 865-7726
E-mail: sgraff@airdberlis.com
"I am in charge now. You are not entitled to ANY information."

f) Tim and Tracey Lickman, Ellen Vriend and Keybiz Tactics Corporation
(holding ATMs and transaction fees "in trust for the Trustee"?):
Welland, ON L3B1A1
Phone: (905) 735-9791
Email: t.lickman@keybiztactics.com
"Trust me." "Want details...? Talk to my Lawyer"

g) Larry Eggelton: C.F.O. HE WON'T GIVE OUT ANY DETAILS OF HIS WHEREABOUTS.
"Thats' not my signature...oops...how did you catch me?","Talk to my Lawyer"

8. Wouldn't it be GREAT if these individuals told THE TRUTH, in writing, so that the world could share, thus provide some transparency and get Ms. Denutte (AND OTHERS) some REAL Solutions.

9. What are you afraid of..."Trustee and Inspectors to the bankruptcy of Entrepreneur Expansion Corp.?" You are in charge! You have the power! You have the information! You have a fiduciary responsibility to the public to share that information!

10. Please provide Ms. Denutte some written responses!

11. Ms. Denutte. Until you can come to us and say you have contacted each and every one of these sources (do some work) and you are further in a position of KNOWLEDGE vs. IGNORANCE, where you can get us ALL written answers to our many questions...either seek professional help, or stop wasting Everyone's time, publicly or otherwise.

12. Ms. Denutte. Your solutions are in this response. We are waiting for YOUR Solutions, YOUR Directions and a YOUR REAL Action Plan that is NOT ILLEGAL to perform.

"Do what you can, with what you have, where you're at."
Henry Ford.

"If you think Education is expensive, you should try Ignorance."
The Late Learner
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#11 Author of original report

There is still no resolution!

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Bill Lougheed and I spoke last week about my comments concerning his scam. Yes, I had in 2004, serial numbers for machines and even was told locations. It seems others had the same serial numbers and locations for their ATM's that they owned. Isn't that unique! I invested $75,000 and have received $4098.32 total in return. The last check was dated 7/30/2004. That was for the first half of the year from January through June of 2004. I have not recieved any money since. I have not known where these machines, that several of us owned, are since then nor have I received any information on who is receiveing the procedes from these ATM's. I never truly knew if these machines really existed. According to others involved it is certainly possible that they did not exist at all and niether did the locations.
There is only one resolution for me, Bill. Return my money +/or give me any procedes from the sale of these five ATM's. There is nothing more that I can say or wish to say about this man Bill or his scam. Again, there are no laws in place to deal with this type of criminal. Yes he is still around and still collecting money from unsuspecting investors, I pray daily that he is stopped from ripping others off. Yes he scammed all of the people that he listed previously for much more than he received from me. I know nothing of this attorney and any bankruptcy filing. That was something he threw in while spewing his hate because I have hopefully exposed him to some potential investors. Maybe I have done some good here. My address has not changed Bill. Hopefully, there is a check in the mail now. I will let Ripoff know, of course!
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#12 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Nancy Denutte: Rich, Retired, 40+ year old bitter woman who bought a business and REFUSES to WORK

AUTHOR: William - (Canada)

1. As per our previous postings and promises, in 2005, (See initial Response to the Rip Off Report), Mr. Lougheed, and the Entrepreneur Expansion team and other individuals who bought ATMs in the UK, worked hard to get some answers and resolve business issues over 2,000 miles away. (UK).

2. The team attended the UK to repair many ATM business issues.

3. They did an audit, an inventory and created new relationships with local UK service providers and they got many business issues resolved, for those that agreed and cooperated with the Action Plans.

4. Ms. Nancy **** was invited to participate in the Action Plan, further invited to personally attend the UK to help, should she be willing.

5. Ms. **** refused (publicly and privately) to do ANYTHING. Though multiple calls and emails were provided to her to encourage her and provide her hope that her business was salvageable, it was her firm position (and serious allegation) that her ATMs "did not even exist" and this whole thing was a scam.

6. Concerned with Ms. Nancy ****'s serious allegations we continued our investigations and found as at January, 2003 and onward:
a) Ms. **** was provided with reports on her location contracts,
b) Ms. **** was provided terminal identifications for her ATMs,
c) Ms. **** was provided serial numbers for her ATMs,
d) Ms. **** was provided audited financial statements demonstrating her income earned,
e) Ms. **** was provided money from ATMs and we further found copies of cancelled cheques Ms. Denutte now admits receiving and cashing for all of the above.

7. Further, such cheques that Ms. **** now admits to receiving and cashing would have been attached to those same reports, complete with the ATM serial numbers and location whereabouts, which she alleges, Publicly, she was NEVER provided.

8. Upon our team leaving the UK (in 2005) Ms. **** was called into a conference call and was provided the name and number of the local service providers in UK (and their US counterparts) that would take care of her and her ATMs.

9. We are advised that several Action Plans and Solutions were presented to Ms. **** at that time, inclusive of an option to train her (for free) to find locations and to service ATMs herself (or her team), at no cost and to make an exchange for a US ATM business. Albeit this option was conditional upon Ms. ****'s (or her team) participation in helping with the business a minimum of a few hours per week in her own home town, Ohio, USA...(Similar to what most other ATM owners do for their own ATM businesses).

10. This option required NO money on Ms. ****'s part, however fair market exchanges would have to be negotiated and finalized under a spirit of co-operation and fair play.

11. In the alternative, when Ms. **** refused to do any work for her own business, the local service workers did volunteer to help on a "best efforts basis", however getting ANYONE to work for free in ANY country for ANY business is challenging and in most cases Ms. Denutte's demands were illegal.

12. Ms. **** is correct in stating that the sales agents and service providers "refused to work hard for her FOR FREE". They complained mostly that it was contrary to any contract Ms. **** had and the workers, once aware of WHY and WHO they were helping, said "they would be willing to put into Ms. ****s' business exactly the same time and money that Ms. Nancy **** was willing to put into her own business to fix it...which was "Nothing"".

13. As far as Mr. James Klein of Klein-Zigler (Toronto based law firm) (the lawyer)...We are informed that:
a) He stood down from the bankruptcy of Entrepreneur Expansion Corp,
b) He received trust monies that are unaccounted for,
c) He has hired a lawyer to represent himself against allegations of his wrong doing.
Don't take our word for it. Do your own investigation. We would appreciate knowing where all the money went that Larry Humphrey (Alberta, Canada) and Tim Lickman (Welland, Ontario, Canada) and Keybiz Tactics Corporation (Welland, Ontario, Canada) and Tracey Lickman (Welland, Ontario, Canada) told the creditors of Entrepreneur Expansion Corp to send to James Klein (In Trust) per: Mintz and Partners Limited (Trustees in Bankruptcy for Entrepreneur Expansion Corp).

14. We have many victims who have come forward asking where the $125,000.00 +/- in money sent in AFTER THE BANKRUPTCY is that those victims have sent to Mr. Klein, Mr. Humphrey, Mr. Lickman, Mr. Eggelton and Mintz and Partners Limited, acting in concert. We encourage you to call them directly and get some REAL answers.

15. We have many more victims (and creditors) that have received NO responses from Hartley Bricks (The Trustee acting for Mintz and Partners Limited - Toronto Accounting Firm), or their current Lawyers Sam Babe and Steven Graff (Aird and Berlis)...new lawyers and the NEW law firm working for the Trustee.

16. Two years later, Ms. ****, we are still here, Mr. Lougheed is still returning phone calls, his name "William (Bill) James Lougheed" is still the same, his phone number, address and email have not changed in more than 12 years and he is not "hiding" from ANYONE. He is here to help, as best as he can.

17. To: RipoffReport.com editor and all that review Nancy ***** case file. This client has provided NO solutions, No resolution, No help, No cooperation. We have done EVERYTHING to give this client what she asked for; even when it was obvious she was not forthcoming and "less than honest" publicly and privately. She owns a business that started out well, needed some work, later she (in her 40+ year old retirement) refused to do anything...but complain. We are all at a loss, but we continue to work even for those who don't want to work for themselves.

"If you thought Education is expensive, you should try Ignorance"
The Late Learner.
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#13 Author of original report

You forgot to mention that you wanted MORE MONEY to resolve the "hard times"

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Bill Lougheed,
You offered two solutions to the hard times of these ATM's. Both solutions involved my giving you MORE of my hard earned money. I am not about to give you more money. You never told me where my 5 machines were located. You never told me who was collecting the money from the activity. You wanted me to give you money to move these machines from the UK to the USA. You wanted money to have these ATM's reprogrammed to be useable in the USA. These were your solutions! I was never told where the machines were located. If you are doing so well now that's great. YOU put your money out to bring MY machines here and make them useable. Or make them useable somewhere and let me know about it. Then send me the money.
I wonder how Larry Humphrey feels about you now? You took him for many times more money. I wonder how James Klein at Klein & Zigler was able to help his clients with their claims against you? Probably not much since the laws are inadequate to deal with the likes of you. You are still participating in a ponzi scheme. Here in the USA that is illegal and if you were here I might have a better chance of remuneration or least the pleasure of seeing you in jail.
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#14 Author of original report

You forgot to mention that you wanted MORE MONEY to resolve the "hard times"

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Bill Lougheed,
You offered two solutions to the hard times of these ATM's. Both solutions involved my giving you MORE of my hard earned money. I am not about to give you more money. You never told me where my 5 machines were located. You never told me who was collecting the money from the activity. You wanted me to give you money to move these machines from the UK to the USA. You wanted money to have these ATM's reprogrammed to be useable in the USA. These were your solutions! I was never told where the machines were located. If you are doing so well now that's great. YOU put your money out to bring MY machines here and make them useable. Or make them useable somewhere and let me know about it. Then send me the money.
I wonder how Larry Humphrey feels about you now? You took him for many times more money. I wonder how James Klein at Klein & Zigler was able to help his clients with their claims against you? Probably not much since the laws are inadequate to deal with the likes of you. You are still participating in a ponzi scheme. Here in the USA that is illegal and if you were here I might have a better chance of remuneration or least the pleasure of seeing you in jail.
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#15 Author of original report

You forgot to mention that you wanted MORE MONEY to resolve the "hard times"

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

Bill Lougheed,
You offered two solutions to the hard times of these ATM's. Both solutions involved my giving you MORE of my hard earned money. I am not about to give you more money. You never told me where my 5 machines were located. You never told me who was collecting the money from the activity. You wanted me to give you money to move these machines from the UK to the USA. You wanted money to have these ATM's reprogrammed to be useable in the USA. These were your solutions! I was never told where the machines were located. If you are doing so well now that's great. YOU put your money out to bring MY machines here and make them useable. Or make them useable somewhere and let me know about it. Then send me the money.
I wonder how Larry Humphrey feels about you now? You took him for many times more money. I wonder how James Klein at Klein & Zigler was able to help his clients with their claims against you? Probably not much since the laws are inadequate to deal with the likes of you. You are still participating in a ponzi scheme. Here in the USA that is illegal and if you were here I might have a better chance of remuneration or least the pleasure of seeing you in jail.
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#16 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Ms. Nancy Denutte - NO Response to Solutions

AUTHOR: William - (Canada)

In Ms. Nancy's initial complaints, Ms. Nancy admitted her ATM business worked for a while, then, after a year or so, fell on hard times, which we all agreed.

Ms. Nancy further requested and Demanded our assistance with her ATM business, "similar to that which was provided to other individuals" who lose locations or their businesses fall on hard times.

Further, our team agreed to provide Ms. Denutte assistance and we further provided Ms. Denutte an Action Plan (See initial response) complete with solutions which required her approval and her cooperation, prior to implementation.

Ms. Nancy, after many months, (and now after several years) has failed to respond (publicly or privately) to ANY of the solutions to resolve her issues or fix her business, as she suggests she wants it fixed.

We are now 2+ years into this and we are still here...willing to help, as best as we can under the circumstances, 2 years later....

For the details of the Nancy Offers (not responded to), see the initial rebuttal to Ms. Nancy's Complaint, filed several years back.

Ms. Nancy (and whoever is reading this), our team is busy working with many clients building their businesses. We have successes and failures, both. We work for and hope for more successes in the future and we would love to turn your business around, or at least help you salvage what is left after it being abandonded for so long.

Where there are issues and complaints, resolving those complaints to the satisfaction of ALL is sometimes elusive, however resolution starts with cooperation and communication.

Ms. Nancy, even though you have not communicated with us (privately) and
feel a public display of negative communication is the most effective way to settle your issues, we welcome your constructive communication and your cooperation in helping us resolve the issues you complain of in the way you asked for those issues to be resolved.

Please take this as our reminder that we are still here and we are still willing to help.
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#17 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Business Solutions ATMs were initially deregulated

AUTHOR: William - (Canada)

Nancy Denutte did buy several ATM machines from the Entrepreneur Expansion network of franchisees.

Her machines were placed in the UK when the opportunity was first opened up in the UK and when ATMs were initially deregulated.

Ms. Denutte did start receiving money from her business; however several issues slowed payment and resulted in additional and unanticipated costs to operate in that market.

The UK business was and still is challenging, but quite exciting, if set up properly.

Ms. Denutte has been invited to attend the UK to do the following:

a) Interview and negotiate with several new suppliers and service providers to her business.
b) Do a physical inventory of machines and locations.
c) Get some answers to her questions while implementing some reasonable and long term solutions.

The cost of the trip will not be excessive... flights are less than $500.00 US and we usually stay in modest accommodations or bed and breakfasts while there at $200.00 per week.

Should Ms. Denutte trust us enough to do this trip without her, the team will bring back the solutions, new pricing and new policies for her business in the UK, for her review.

This trip is shceduled for late April / early May, with anticipated results to be implemented over the summer (July to September, 2005).

Another alternative provided to Ms. Denutte is converting her business into a local Independent Sales and Service organization in her local area (micro-franchise), giving her ATM and POS machines, additional training, solutions and more control over her business in her local area.

We await Ms. Denutte's letter of direction as to how she wants to proceed with her business.
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#18 Consumer Suggestion

This is a ponzi scheme. There are no actual machines. You couldn't tell?

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

There are no machines!

The guy just took your money and then sent you back a small portion of it. That way, it looks like you have this great investment.

The other investors were all paid relatives.

The BBB hides all complaints if a crooked company joins their member ranks.

And, obviously Bill is going to say whatever you need to hear. After all, he's got hookers to buy and gambling debts to pay. That's where your investment went.

Just out of curiosity, who handed you $75k to begin with? Lottery? Inheritance? Insurance settlement?

People that work to make that kind of money just don't throw it away on some crook they find on the internet.
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#19 Consumer Comment

Now I have been threatened !

AUTHOR: Nancy - (U.S.A.)

I have now received a response from Bill Lougheed. It has been a year since I have heard from EEC or Bill Lougheed. I faxed Bill Lougheed a copy of this report and his response is "I will not work with you until you remove the bad comment." He forgot who I was until he received the fax, then he even found my telephone number. I want my money back. He also invited me to join him on his trip to the UK to check out the situation.

He is continuing to collect money from unsuspecting investors. He needs to be in jail. Why is the Canadian government not shutting him down?

I googled the company and my RIPOFF complaint was the FIRST one on the list. YES !
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