- Report: #906229
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Complaint Review: Elite Ammunition
Elite AmmunitionHarvard, Illinois Internet United States of America
Elite Ammunition Jay Wolf, Lisa Wolf, Lisa Marie Wolf, Joseph Laurence Wolf, Jay Joseph Laurence Wolf, Joseph Jay Laurence Wolf, Panzermk2, panzermk2wife Cyberstalkers, identity theives, impersonators, impostors, imbezzlers, complicit in stock fraud, notary fraud, and Federal GCA violations Internet
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On top of these issues of turpitude, they have also been complicit in acts of stock fraud, notary fraud, financial crimes, mail fraud, violations of the Federal Gun Control Acts, unlawfully manufactured and sold armor piercing ammunition, and have stolen customers money to pay for two homes, vehicles and their childrens private school education. [continued below]....
Include on top of this that they have, since early 2009, been receiving firearms - handguns exclusively - from customers so that they can conduct gunsmithing work (they call it accurizing). What's interesting about this is that they lack ANY FFL other than a TYPE 6 (ammunition manufacturer).
Why is that significant?
Because an AMMUNITION MANUFACTURER cannot "Deal" in weapons; receiving the weapon to do work on it REQUIRES a TYPE 1 or 7 FFL - they have neither.
They have also "acquired" a number of firearms from distributors by "inking an FFL" and handing it to them; the law may allow that to be sufficient for "business purchases," but they have acquired a number of personal firearms - purchased with their customers money - and kept in their personal collections and never registered in their bound book - as they have no bound book.
This is clearly "straw man" purchasing and absolutely illegal. In Illinois they've also violated a series of laws on the acquisition and disposal of firearms by doing this, as well as having acquired firearms for others (including a real estate broker friend) through this channel, and disposing of those firearms without the 4473 or the NICS background check - as they are incapable of these actions - they do NOT have a dealers license and cannot deal in firearms.
They've known since early 2009 that their "special ammunition" (they use the code-word LEROY) is AP by definition - they have simply chosen to gamble that they wouldn't get caught.
But they did. And now they cry "foul!"
However, just 14 months before, they were at the BATFE offices IN PERSON after having received several rounds of ammunition from Wil Baca, formerly of Baca Ballistics, that included a steel tip - the result of that meeting was BATFE raiding Wil Baca's home in El Paso Texas and his surrendering of his license in lieu of prosecution - at which time Jay Wolf and Lisa Wolf jubilated publicly.
And now they're crying and begging for money... "God bless you," they say, when begging for ca$h to pay for a lawyer.
But its "F-you" when YOU want YOUR products shipped, or YOUR money returned.
Don't feel sorry for these clowns, and don't, not for a second, believe a bit of what they tell you; they are liars and thieves; their own words speak for them.
Last thing, they're also in violation of the ITAR Department of State registration requirements for their licensure; common bullies and crooks trying to scam more money from the public. Of course, in my opinion.
This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 07/03/2012 10:54 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Elite-Ammunition/internet/Elite-Ammunition-Jay-Wolf-Lisa-Wolf-Lisa-Marie-Wolf-Joseph-Laurence-Wolf-Jay-Joseph-La-906229. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.
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