- Report: #154688
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Complaint Review: Empire Marketing Concepts - Cydcor
Empire Marketing Concepts - Cydcor106 Corporate Park Dr. White Plains, New York U.S.A.
Empire Marketing Concepts - Cydcor ripoff Unethical, Fake, Corrupt, Deceitful, Slave Labor, Non-reimbursement of expenses, NOT MARKETING White Plains New York
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Thanx
*Consumer Comment: Empire Marketing Has Closed White Plains, NY Office
*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Nice to know I helped....
*Consumer Suggestion: The only way to avoid being brainwashed by these companies to avoid their scam altogether.
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When you walk in you see there is a waiting room complete with secretary at a computer. If you make it into the other room you see a room with about the bare minimum of things, including few if any chairs for the people already in the business. You are made to learn to stand and do chants and ridiculous "rituals" as well as taught to never bring up anything negative. Your day is almost completely taken away from you as you work an abundant amount of hours on 100% commission, no health plan, no benifits short of the life long "business partnerships" you find in the office.
I actually recently quit Empire Marketing Concepts about a week ago now and I can't tell you how great I now feel. It not only has to do with the increased hours I get for personal time, but with what you actually have to do in order to keep the job. By the end of my month and a half stint with the company I was feeling like I an a*****e because I realized how unethical I would have to be everyday in order to make a profit.
To Ren of Huntingdon Valley, Pennsylvania, I would say that I got good news, in that Empire Marketing has since left only to move to my neighborhood. Just reading so much of what you wrote, I was able to totally relate. Jason Prince still works there and he is currently a manager who does not have his own campaign which is supposed to change in the next "6-8" weeks. The same term I was told weeks ago.
I remember working from 9-5:30 in the field because I wanted to "work a full day." No matter how much I worked I couldn't help but notice that I wasn't getting on the bell, and I know the managers also were noticing this. While I was out of the office they would complain that I was probably slacking off coming up with nicknames for myself. Liz was incredibly fake in that she never said anything negative to me, but wouldn't hesitate to badmouth me while I was out of the office. Eventually I realized that what I was lacking or actually maintained was a sense of business ethics.
If I wanted to be on the bell I needed to learn to mislead people on costs, or purposely leave information out under the guise of keeping it short and simple (KISS.) If that means you don't tell people about the Non-Recurring Charge of hundreds of dollars on their phone bill, whatever, thats your deal. In my short tenure I learned from the high-rollers, "Our only concern is getting people back to Verizon," and "It's either our money or their's." The latter specifically referring to when you realize you aren't helping the small store owner at all.
Now to address how things are currently at Empire Marketing; "The turnover rate for Empire Marketing is staggering; less than five people in the office have been employed more than 3 months in an office of over forty individuals. It is my belief that the frantic pace of training new hires is to cover-up for the lack of veteran individuals in the firm." This was what was said when they were in Pennsylvania, and I can tell you it is the same now. In my short tenure, about 12-14 people left in a month and a half, talk about ridiculous turnover.
I can tell you in my experience out of the people that left and some of those that remain, there is a general dislike of Liz because of how she behaves, specifically involving her fakeness and nasty attitude. The fact that people out and within the company still to this day complain about lacking the full amount of their promised payment, is only testament to how the system has not changed. That a manager of multiple years lives with another manager, an assitant manager, and two leaders all in a Two-bedroom apartment in Yonkers, says something about the money situation or "opportunity" that is preached.
That they make sure not to mention Cydcor until much later in the business; that they make sure to bring in interviewees by 5pm; that they make sure to cut you off from the rest of the world and give you theories to learn to supress outside influences; that they work you all day completely on your own expenses (gas, food, car, road "business" trips) all hint at some shady aspects to the business.
I remember the week before I quit, when I was on a "business trip" where they had me sleep on the floor all week I brought up how I felt like the system made me feel like I had five, yes five bosses (ie. office space) that I had to answer to when I messed up. I was told that I was mistaken and looking at the situation wrong. They were trying to help me, like when I was told to get through my head that I was not a salesman. This was the same guy who referred to me as, "a good boy" in a tone used exclusively when training dogs, when I closed enough applications to make the bell that day.
I believe the icing on the cake was when my trainer took it upon himself to ruin my surprise and tell the bosses that I was quitting that day before I returned from the office. After being told to wait to receive my check, I was shunned from the office and ignored as if I no longer existed. They literally had a conversation about their weekend plans 2 feet from me without so much as looking in my direction. This from the very same people who high-fived me every morning as part of the morning meeting. I guess our "business partnership" had been ended.
I am writing all this so that people who luckily stumble upon this site looking for information before really committing themselves to Empire Marketing. I must now admit that it is a multi-level marketing scam that only trains you how to mislead innocent business owners into signing contracts under the preface of updating their plans. So if you have a soul, a good heart, and ethics, see through the BS of preserving the customers and realize this is not the job for you.
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White Plains, New York
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