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  • Submitted: Tue, October 27, 2009
  • Updated: Fri, October 26, 2012

  • Reported By: aura — DC Internet USA
Enigin PLC
Southview House, St Austell Enterprice Park St Austell, Select State/Province United States of America

Enigin PLC They only know how to steal your money St Austell Internet

*Consumer Comment: RE: Please Continue Your Fine Work

*Consumer Comment: Please Continue Your Fine Work

*Consumer Comment: Iknowitall

*General Comment: The truth is inconvenient for Enigin PLC

*General Comment: Who manufacturers the Enigin AC Saver?

*General Comment: David

*General Comment: Share with us

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: response to Enigin employee

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: ...not even getting paid for this!

*Consumer Comment: Enigin - Why have they not made any comment

*Consumer Comment: Engin PLC - advertise on Google Adwords for more partners

*Consumer Comment: this is all true

*Consumer Comment: Want to get more info regarding enigin

*General Comment: May I contact you?

*General Comment: Enigin injured parties

*Consumer Comment: tired of rip offs

*Consumer Comment: group forming

*Consumer Comment: Information Required

*Consumer Comment: Everything is correct

*Author of original report: Even their marketing is not focused on 'their' products, but on the ''business dream'' all people want to belive in.

*Author of original report: The only thing they know is how to ''steal'' your money

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You will be wasting your money and time even if you spend another minute on their website.
They know how to convice you that everything is ok.... Do NOT beleive a thing they say.

All the products they sell ''exclusively'' can be purchased a lot cheapper from the manufacturers. So what kind of territory they sell if anyone can find their products anywhere.

Their business concept is nothing else than what they show on their website. ''Energy Maps'' - the four steps!!!! That' s IT. You do not have to pay them anything. I have just told you what you get by paying them thousands of dollars.

Ask me anything you want and when I have time I will answer you back. Do not do a single step before I answer your questions. I 'm willing to give you and all the details on the products which are not theirs. I have all the details of the manufacturers so you can purchase them 30% cheapper.


Have a nice NON-Ripoff Day.

Thanks Ripoff report for giving us the chance to warn innocent people before they can beleive to a non existing business dream

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#1 Consumer Comment

RE: Please Continue Your Fine Work

AUTHOR: Consider the lemmings... - ()

Rajesh B, Whoopsie, and Luis (aka Enigin personas),

It looks like Enigin has infiltrated Ripoffreport to pose as random advocates.  If you read through all of the reports, you will see several replies written with the same information and cadence and within a close date range.  Each mysteriously advocating for the "greatness" of Enigin and bashing the fine and brave original reporters.  Having these replys all come in within a close date range and under different and unique names is a statistical improbability.  Nice try Enigin Directors.

This Ripoffreport site is working people.  Enigin is finally getting the message.  Too bad it is coming years too late and after hundreds have already been fleeced.  Now Enigin is claiming that mistake was having targeted the wrong "biz-op" sector and this is the reason for all of the complaints.  The complaints are in not because they chose the wrong audience but because of the flaws in their mode of operation.  I am sure that Enigin easily calculated the go-to-market strategy with nearly predictable results.  They have used a "scorched earth" method by leecing as many entrepreneurs possible in a short period of time (5 -6 years) and worry about the results later.  Later is here.  It is too late to change your stipes.  Your reputation has proceeded you. 

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#2 Consumer Comment

Please Continue Your Fine Work

AUTHOR: Rajesh - ()

Egreentechno appreciates Enigin’s business model and believe it is a right approach which is fully backed up with high-quality back office technical support. To date, we have excellent experience and rapport with your sales team though being 1000 of miles away. 

Eniscope Hybrid is an excellent product and has so far been well received in the market. For a start-up distributor, Enigin's business support structure, like training, distributor website, logo design, CRM system, etc. is extremely useful and great.

There will always be a scope to improve and to introduce new product pipeline, which the company has demonstrated to be capable of.

Please continue your fine work…………….……..

Rajesh B****

Electro Green Techno Trading LLC

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#3 Consumer Comment

Iknowitall

AUTHOR: Ihavealltheinfo - (United States of America)

"Who manufacturers the Enigin AC Saver?"

If you want to know contact me at iknowitallac at gmail.
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#4 General Comment

The truth is inconvenient for Enigin PLC

AUTHOR: Fool Me Once - (United States of America)

I have read Whoopsie's from "Australia"retort and would like to point out some inconvenient holes in their ststements.

If I may quote them:  "Enigin is a great company that is growing rapidly and breaking into the international market in a big way!"  Comment.  Are they accomplishing this by selling product OR selling the dream of independence to distributorships?  

"....This is obvious by the need for new distributors"  Comment.  Perhaps this is their higher goal?  The need for a continued pipeline of new distributors is the real revenue generator.  Revenue that a distributor will never see again.  

Whoopsie says,  "In my opinion, those who complain of failing and losing money are lazy and have not invested enough time into educating themselves on HOW TO SELL A PRODUCT, let alone HOW TO RUN A BUSINESS!".  Comment.  Lazy, no.  Uneducated, no. They believed what they were told by a sweet talking saleman.  They believed mostly in human goodness that they were buying into a successful business model.  

"....honestly, they couldn't make it any easier - it's the most evolved company I've ever worked with."
Comment.  Your experience is now being questioned here.  Is this evolved?: 4 - 6 week lead times on deliveries?  Exceedingly high handling and shipping fees?  Customs errors, shipping errors and wrong quantities convenient only to Enigin?  Huge restocking fees? Minimal phone access?  They could use some training on quality customer service.  

"...AND they manufacture them! You cannot buy an Enigin product i.e. Eniscope or HUB from anyone else because they ARE the OEM; simple enough?  Comment.  Wouldn't be tidy if it were that simple? Here is an uncomfortable truth Whoopsie, they do not make their own products.  Equal or exact technology can be purchased almost anywhere.  Peel the labels off to reveal the true manufacturers. Each is a badged or slightly modified product.  Software can easily be customized.  Just look up the compliance listings on labels to reveal the truth.  This is public information.

"I honestly do feel for the author of such a negative report - losing money is never fun - perhaps the next investment should be on further education though?"  Comment.  The lost investment is not wholly the fault of the investor.  Lets be realistic here this is not an isolated incident.  The investor believed in what they were being told.  The investor likely tried to gather up as much information afforded to [him] [SIC] but there efforts were thwarted by a series of lies.  Whose at fault here?  The investor or the messenger?  
"Mark my words - Enigin is going places!".  This is the one truth out of all of the statements.  But where they are going is a dark and lonely place.  If I could inject one truth here: In the end, every knee shall bow and every tongue shall make an accounting of their actions.  This will include how [one] treats others.  Fairly?  Justly?  Honestly?  
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#5 General Comment

Who manufacturers the Enigin AC Saver?

AUTHOR: SunChaser - (United States of America)

Looking to find the actual manufacturer or source for the Enigin AC Saver. Looks like a great product with tremendous potential. Was considering buying into the Enigin Distributirship program but after reading these reviews I am investigating further.

I have been in the commercial energy control window film business for 20 years and see this AC Saver product as a nice compliment to our services.

Would appreciate someone pointing me in the right direction of the manufacturer of the AC Saver.

Regards from Tampa Florida
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#6 General Comment

David

AUTHOR: David - (Portugal)


   Hi Aura,

   Can you please tell me where do I buy those products that Enigin sell?

   Thank You,
   David
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#7 General Comment

Share with us

AUTHOR: Nina26 - (Serbia and Montenegro)

Hi
You mentioned  that you have information about manufacturer for the same products, kindly share with me information regarding the same.
My email is (((ROR redacted)))

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#8 REBUTTAL Individual responds

response to Enigin employee

AUTHOR: want to fight back - (United States of America)

Ater taking a 40,000.00 bath with this company and speaking with many members of the class all agree that this is a fraud. In the united states you must register with each state for any business opportunity. Enigin has registered with none. They were not even able to get my products through customs properly. There are no products they own and only one piece of software. I challenge Enigin to produce successfull people around the globe that are doing well. I dont mean Rob from florida the only one you can speak with.

We are not all non educated and non business type people, we are some successfull people that were taken in. I would like to see some one step up and go after these people as this litigation from here to England is more costly than the amount lost. I certainly can produce many unhappy victims who need class action help. You at Enigin are simply vermon living off the pain and money of others and with no concious. Evil comes to those who live like you. I feel you all should be in jail and I have requested my money back many times. The russian gentleman you took for 450.000 will probably remember you along time and I hope with recourse.A reputable company give your money back, especially the firs month you ask for it. You hide with other peoples money, you support nothing and you call this success. What a joke you are as your true titles are that of criminals. I have a personal relationship with your former employee and he knows the truth. By the way, he left for the reasons of unethical business practices and unreal claims.

signed                                         

The angry american

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#9 UPDATE EX-employee responds

...not even getting paid for this!

AUTHOR: Woopsie - (Australia)

Just wanted to state my two cents here:

Enigin is a great company that is growing rapidly and breaking into the international market in a big way! This is obvious by the need for new distributors - they have a product and they need to get it out there. In my opinion, those who complain of failing and losing money are lazy and have not invested enough time into educating themselves on HOW TO SELL A PRODUCT, let alone HOW TO RUN A BUSINESS!

Having worked for an Enigin distributor, as an I.T professional, I've experienced first hand who "Enigin PLC" are and how they operate - honestly, they couldn't make it any easier - it's the most evolved company I've ever worked with.

The products are also very user friendly, innovative beyond anything I've seen before AND they manufacture them! You cannot buy an Enigin product i.e. Eniscope or HUB from anyone else because they ARE the OEM; simple enough?

I honestly do feel for the author of such a negative report - losing money is never fun - perhaps the next investment should be on further education though?

Mark my words - Enigin is going places!
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#10 Consumer Comment

Enigin - Why have they not made any comment

AUTHOR: John - (Argentina)

Engin, have never repsond to this information so it must all be true otherwise they woudl repair their reputation
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#11 Consumer Comment

Engin PLC - advertise on Google Adwords for more partners

AUTHOR: John - (Argentina)

Engin PLC, are still trying to get more partners they advertise on Google Adwords , their business opprotunity, They need to be stopped before more people loose their fortune and join them.

It is very simple to find out who the real manufactures just search google.
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#12 Consumer Comment

this is all true

AUTHOR: John - (Argentina)

All of their products are not their products , you can purchase them from the manifacturers
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#13 Consumer Comment

Want to get more info regarding enigin

AUTHOR: Jane - (Malaysia)

Hi,

I'm thinking of investing in Enigin and currently doing some research on them. Can you please share the information that you have i.e the 'real' manufacturer of those products and others? Thank you.
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#14 General Comment

May I contact you?

AUTHOR: Zman - (United States of America)

I am doing my homework prior to investing in them.   I have been burned before and don't want a repeat.   May I contact you to discuss them?   You can reach me at (((ROR redacted)))  Thanks!

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#15 General Comment

Enigin injured parties

AUTHOR: want to fight back - (United States of America)

I have also been ripped off by Enigin, and will be happy to take action with others as I have people from Russia and othe countries ready to go after Enigin. I was taken for 40,000 and my Russian
friend was taken for 400,000.00 . They think they are going to get away with it, but little did they know, my friends family owns the 4th largest oil companies in Russia,90,000 employees. We have
testimony from Enigin staff and have a group ready to legally go after them.Please join us and all the people you have known that they have injured. We will go after them with power and a secret
that they are not aware of. Contact me Tim 812 306 6714 I have 4-5 others and will help put together all parties. This is not a bluff but real business people not taking this fro them. With my first complaint to Enigin,they never called me again. Regards
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#16 Consumer Comment

tired of rip offs

AUTHOR: want to fight back - (United States of America)

enigin will see class action law suit, and their pompass attitude will change when multitudes of so called distributors collectively come at them from many different countries
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#17 Consumer Comment

group forming

AUTHOR: want to fight back - (United States of America)

Have many more un happy enigin distributors from all over, and want justice would welcome

any to join the fight
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#18 Consumer Comment

Information Required

AUTHOR: Mayank - (United Arab Emirates)

Hi,


You mentioned in your report that you have information about alternate sources for the same products, kindly share with me information regarding the same. My email is (((ROR redacted)))


Thanks & Regards


Mayank


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#19 Consumer Comment

Everything is correct

AUTHOR: Dany - (United States of America)

That's all true, stated above by Aura...Happened to me as well. I am now in a position to recognize after almost a year of efforts to implement Enigin's concept and sell their products that this is not a sustainable business model. In spite of selling a few things, but with very low margins, because theirs are huge, I am now considering to stop this business line, as it is waste of time and money. It could maybe work if those products are bought directly from manufacturers, I will probably consider this recommendation. Indeed everyone can buy from manufacturers, as they find the contact details on the product's packaging, so there is no exclusive distributorship granted to Enigin by the manufacturers, meaning Enigin can't protect its distributor's territory. As someone who spend with Enigin more than $40,000 (fee,products, other related expenditures) and was not able to recover 10 % of the investment made in one year, I advise you not to be blinded by the profit calculations used by Enigin to attract you. None of my fellows are among the sucessful Enigin partners. And take care they will never put you in contact with other partners or distributors, not before and not after paying the licence fee. Hope that other people will share their experience with Enigin too. That would help you to make a careful and informed decision when entering in a partnership with Enigin.
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#20 Author of original report

Even their marketing is not focused on 'their' products, but on the ''business dream'' all people want to belive in.

AUTHOR: aura - (USA)

The only 'need' they satisfy just for a couple of months is to make you think that you are going to be rich!!! This is also what their marketing is focused on.

It wont be too long after you realise that the secrete they are going to sell to you is that there is no secrete. Whatever you ask from them BEFORE you PAY them their fee they will be willing to give it to you AFTER you pay the fee. Unfortunately AFTER you pay the fee they will ''forget'' what they promised to you. No written and singed agreement is going to be provided to you before OR after you pay them.

Be careful they are looking for people they have no experience in this sector or just ''blinded'' people who are desperate to believe that they have found their way out of their misery.

You will be wasting your money and time even if you spend another minute on their website. They know how to convince you that everything is ok.... Do NOT believe a thing they say. All the products they sell ''exclusively'' can be purchased a lot cheaper from the manufacturers. So what kind of territory they sell if anyone can find their products anywhere. Their business concept is nothing else than what they show on their website. ''Energy Maps'' - the four steps!!!! That' s IT. You do not have to pay them anything. I have just told you what you get by paying them thousands of dollars. Ask me anything you want and when I have time I will answer you back. Do not do a single step before I answer your questions. I 'm willing to give you all the details on the products which are not theirs. I have all the details of the manufacturers so you can purchase them 30% cheaper.

Do not be confused by the names they use for the products they want to sell to you. They just baptize products that already exist in the market, make them look that they are the only ones who can provide to you the specific products in order to justify the fee they ask for.

Have a nice NON-Ripoff Day. Thanks Ripoff report for giving us the chance to warn innocent people before they can believe to a non existing business dream

 

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#21 Author of original report

The only thing they know is how to ''steal'' your money

AUTHOR: aura - (USA)

You will be wasting your money and time even if you spend another minute on their website. They know how to convice you that everything is ok.... Do NOT beleive a thing they say. All the products they sell ''exclusively'' can be purchased a lot cheapper from the manufacturers. So what kind of territory they sell if anyone can find their products anywhere. Their business concept is nothing else than what they show on their website. ''Energy Maps'' - the four steps!!!! That' s IT. You do not have to pay them anything. I have just told you what you get by paying them thousands of dollars. Ask me anything you want and when I have time I will answer you back. Do not do a single step before I answer your questions. I 'm willing to give you and all the details on the products which are not theirs. I have all the details of the manufacturers so you can purchase them 30% cheapper. Have a nice NON-Ripoff Day. Thanks Ripoff report for giving us the chance to warn innocent people before they can beleive to a non existing business dream
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