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Complaint Review: FULL TILT POKER - Internet

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  • Reported By: CHIP RIPPER XX — USA
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I have been playing poker professionally for many years, and take my profession very seriously. I play on a average week  60 or more hours, so I know my way around the deck. I know of Full Tilt and have read some good advertisement  on them and read some not good stuff on them and then after the Absolute poker scam, I decided to conduct my own experiment and see if this site is also a scam....



 I started playing Full Tilt this year, and I can say with no doubt in my mind they truly are con artist. But I will let you decide after you read my story. After I have read some of the complaint about Full Tilt and decided to conduct and experiment and wanted to see if any of the complaints have merit and this is what I found.



I beganplaying poker full time on Full Tilt in January 09 of this year. I would play and average of 8 to 10 hours a day, 5 and sometimes 6 days a week. I first loaded $1000 into my new account, I then began recording everything that happened, I played at the cash and tournament at all levels. At first, all the hands would hold up to what you would expect for a normal poker session. You would take your normal beats here and there, nothing unusually with that from my experience with the real casinos. I built my bankroll up to $2 thousand  and in about a month I started losing almost every hand I had and in ways that was almost mathematically impossible to get beat with.  I lost $1000 with one hand on quad aces beat by a royal flush. VERY FISHY not to mention, out of the of 150 or so bad beats the fallowing weeks, were I had anything from Aces to Kings or sets to full houses and was the favorite to win 80% even 98% of the time, I was getting my hands cracked almost every time.  Most of the times, I was heads up against  hands that had no business going all in preflop or on the flop. Out of 189 big hands , I was heads up and a 80% favorite to win, I lost 150 of those hands. For being a 80% favorite, I only won 10% of the time, which makes no sense.



It was week 6 and I was back down to $1000 when I looked at my account balance. I decided to sit down at a few cash games " micro" levels to investigate the action. I checked my balance one last time, and the next thing I knew, I had only $500 in my account! $500 dollars disappeared into thin air! So I immediately sent out an email informing them of the problem, a hour later I recived a email simply stating I had multiple accounts and  have shut down my account  without further notice or information about the missing $500 or remaining ballence owed to me. Despite my many attempt to get an explanation of the problem, they have not responded to any of my emails or provide me with any further information about the missing $500, or the remaining funds. I have not received any other emails from them at this time.  IT GETS EVEN MORE STRANGE....



I sent off a legal action notice to them via email, and the next morning all emails I have received from them were  gone, and not to be found in my email box, spam, trash mail or trash ben, they were simply GONE!!!  I saved these emails for this purpose and after doing some investigating and many hours of intense thinking I soon relized they were able to go into my email account and erase the self incriminating evidence from my email box simply becasue I used the same password for my Full Tilt Poker account as I did my email address. Yet all my other messages still remain.   But thats ok, we can play these games, I know how to get all the info back. and I know how to find them...   Will keep everyone posted weekly on what happens next !!!

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#8 Consumer Comment

Full Tilt Rip Off

AUTHOR: the truth - (United Kingdom)

POSTED: Friday, January 22, 2010

On reading this report,i was some what stunned as to to how accurate it was to my own personnal experience on full tilt. I actually won $1600 without depositing on full tilt,via free rolls,then i won a small tourney,and had numerous money placings,the largest being just over $700,so i decided to withdraw $900 after registering my card and making a small deposit(the only way you can register card).

This is when things went pear shaped,i was'nt playing any different from normal,but almost every time i was being knocked out of tourneys,i was holding best hand and being rivered.

The odds of this was millions to one,basically impossible,the penny dropped and i smelt a rat. I was'nt going to deposit,so after a few days break,i remembered the new depositers free roll,i won 650,happy days i thought,got my tank back,but things got even worse,every tourney i was getting great hands cracked by miracle cards,i was 80% + every time and getting busted by runner runner etc etc.

Anyone who knows the odds,knows its not possible to get bad beats that often with the percentages so highly in your your favour. I ended up making a few small deposits,but after getting the same runner runner and river bad beats,i decided to delete my banking details.

Everything you read on here about Full Tilt being a scam is absolute fact,its basically legalised fraud. The problem is the majority of players have no basic idea of percentages,so they dont realise theyre being ripped off,so whatever myself or anyone else says,its unlikely to make much difference to Tilt.

There is a saying,theres one born every minute,and Full Tilt just about proves that,sad but true.

                                                                                  

 

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#7 Consumer Comment

Online Poker Legality From theppa.org

AUTHOR: Tee-Box - (USA)

POSTED: Tuesday, December 29, 2009

4. Is playing poker legal in the United States?

Generally, playing poker in a social setting in ones home is legal in most, but not all, states. Some states permit playing social games of poker in taverns and bars, while very few states allow commercial poker games.

Increasingly, however, government officials have undertaken crackdowns on the playing of poker in traditional settings, including at charity events. These stories are detailed in the News section of this Web site.

The Internet poses separate issues. There is currently no federal law that prohibits anyone from playing poker online. The Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006, does not change any federal gambling and does not make it illegal for people to play on the Internet (Note: some states do have laws, like Washington St. which have criminal penalties for online).

For more information about your state visit our legal resources page.
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#6 General Comment

What??

AUTHOR: the lol guy - (United States of America)

POSTED: Sunday, December 13, 2009

The guy who previously posted about 4 Aces and royal flush being impossible on same hand is wrong, as players can share the Ace(s) in the community cards.

Although I don't agree that you would win in a lawsuit as your evidence is simply faulty speculation, I would agree to at least try. I mean if other U.S. players have successfully filed suits against them, you at least have a chance.

 Just because you have been involved in illegal activity doesn't necessarily mean that you can't sue other parties involved, but idk lol

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#5 General Comment

Not Possible

AUTHOR: mas215 - (United States of America)

POSTED: Tuesday, December 01, 2009

I find it hard to believe anything you say when you lie in the body of the report.  If you truely had quad aces beaten by a royal flush then the deck must have had 5 aces as you had 4 and the other player had to have one to have a royal flush.  I doubt very much that even if they are a scam they would be that foolish.


It is also very hard to believe they were able to access your computer and delete only email that was to or from them.


Online poker is untouchable in the US as it is illegal.  If you feel they are cheating you don't play.

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I'm familiar

AUTHOR: Flynrider - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Thursday, August 20, 2009

Unless you have some spreadsheets with some hard numbers(the UltimateBet victims had over 2 million hands analyzed) , it doesn't really matter how many people say the same thing happened to them. That's beside the point, though. If you'll recall in the Absolute Poker and UltimateBet cases, they had huge amounts of data that conclusively proved the scam. Do you recall how many people successfully sued AP/UB, even with the incontrovertible evidence in hand?


 Full Tilt can claim they are not a gambling site as much as they want (to entice you into depositing money). The justice department disagrees. Additionally, back in June, the DOJ froze around $34 million held in online poker accounts claiming that they were in violation of the 2006 Act. That should give you a hint as to the DOJ's opinion of Full Tilts interpretation of the law.


 "On April 29, 2009, Full Tilt was sued civilly in Los Angeles, California, by James Hicks in the case of JAMES HICKS v. TILTWARE LLC; FullTiltPoker.com; TILT PROOF INC.; CHRISTOPHER FERGUSON, a case alleging unfair business practices and the conduct of illegal Internet gaming.[6] The case primarily seeks an injunction and no specific monetary damages are requested. James Hicks, the plaintiff, is also a Los Angeles lawyer whose firm is representing the plaintiff."


 This guy is suing on the claim that they are conducting illegal gaming operations and wants an injuction to stop their business. I don't see where he alleges he was cheated.


 Clonie's lawsuit is a contractual dispute. I didn't say it was impossible to sue them. It is not going to be possible to prevail in a suit if you (the plaintiff) were involved in the illegal activity. Not gonna happen.


  Bottom line. Online gambling is not regulated by anyone. You have no idea what's on the other end of your internet connection. They have no incentive to stop cheaters (AP & UB, by the way, are back among the top 10 poker sites). The have every incentive to cover up any cheating or stealing on their site. You're nuts to send them your money. It requires trust in someone you don't know, that has absolutely no incentive to give you a fair shake.

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AUTHOR: CHIP RIPPER XX - (USA)

POSTED: Thursday, August 20, 2009

I mostly agree with everything you have to say, but I would like to make some points very well known. For the sake of going into detail on almost 2000 hours of play time on full tilt, we needed to abbreviate what was experienced so the point is made quickly. In addition, we researched many written reports and observed similar experience's other people had with Full Tilt's conduct. And it's not only our observation and belief that this company's operations are questionable, it is the belief of the courts in which Full Tilt has been sued in the past, right here in the U.S.A. In addition to what other agency's have observed such as the Better Business Bureau.

Here is some more legal info for your consideration:

On September 29, 2006, the U.S. Congress passed the SAFE Port Act which includes otherwise unrelated anti-gambling language known as the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act. Though a number of major online cardroom operators closed their doors to U.S. players as a result of the legislation, Full Tilt Poker continues to offer its services to U.S. players. The company has stated that poker is a game of skill, and that since Full Tilt Poker operates strictly as a poker room the legislation does not apply to Full Tilt's operations.[5]

On April 29, 2009, Full Tilt was sued civilly in Los Angeles, California, by James Hicks in the case of JAMES HICKS v. TILTWARE LLC; FullTiltPoker.com; TILT PROOF INC.; CHRISTOPHER FERGUSON, a case alleging unfair business practices and the conduct of illegal Internet gaming.[6] The case primarily seeks an injunction and no specific monetary damages are requested. James Hicks, the plaintiff, is also a Los Angeles lawyer whose firm is representing the plaintiff.

In late 2008, Full Tilt was sued in Nevada by Clonie Gowen, prominent poker professional and former Full Tilt endorser. She claimed that during the formative year(2004) she was offered a 1% ownership in Full Tilt in exchange for her advertising efforts. She admitted in her legal papers that there was no written contract to this effect. Damages of $40 million US are being sought. Full Tilt has characterized the lawsuit as frivolous, and denied liability.[citation needed]

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A few problems.

AUTHOR: Flynrider - (U.S.A.)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 19, 2009

   If your are really familiar with the Absolute Poker scam, you'll recall that they were caught using a statistical analysis of thousands of played hands.   Your anecdotal observations don't even come close to proving anything.


   Also, as a professional poker player you must certainly know that online gambling is illegal.   That means there's no way you're ever going to be able to take legal action against them.   You can't sue someone over an activity that was illegal in the first place.


   Which brings me to my last point.  Online gambling has to be one of the biggest sucker bets in existence.   Think about it.   The servers are offshore and are not under the jurisdiction of any regulatory body that is going to do anything.  You have no idea who has access to those servers, so you have no idea if someone is looking at your cards or making up their own.  The players (in the U.S.) are playing illegally, therefore they have absolutely no recourse in the courts.   Lastly, (as you have seen) they can make your money disappear and there's not a damned thing you can do about it.   Suppose you won $20K and they refused to pay?  What recourse would you have?  None, of course.  


    At least when you play in person, at a regulated casino, you know who you're playing with and can see with your own eyes what is going on at the table.  You also know that the house isn't going to pick your pocket if you win.   Quit being a sucker.

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FULL TILT CONTACT INFORMATION

AUTHOR: CHIP RIPPER XX - (USA)

POSTED: Wednesday, August 19, 2009

OK, THIS IS THE LATEST NEWS ON WHAT I COULD ABOUT FULL TILT...

This is the best contact information I can provide at this time, until I find more information:

Full Tilts Attorney out of California:
Law Offices Of Ian Imrich
10866 Wilshire Blvd Ste: 1249   LA, California 90024
Phone number : 310-481-2258


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