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Complaint Review: First Commercial Consultants, Liberty First, Bill Lange, Mary Jo Lamb, Robert Clawson

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  • Submitted: Sun, December 09, 2007
  • Updated: Fri, May 30, 2008

  • Reported By:Tacoma Washington
First Commercial Consultants, Liberty First, Bill Lange, Mary Jo Lamb, Robert Clawson
7901 Skansie Ave. #205 Gig Harbor, Washington U.S.A.
  • Phone: 253-857-1093
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  • Category: Realtors

Liberty First, First Commercial Consultants, Billy Jo Lamb, Bill Lange, Robert Clawson Got Scamned,Ripped Off, Lied to, Basically Robbed, cheated and left holding nothing Gig Harbor Washington

*Author of original report: satisfed claim

*Consumer Comment: Business As Usual, This is a Pattern of Fraud

*Consumer Comment: Business As Usual, This is a Pattern of Fraud

*Consumer Comment: Business As Usual, This is a Pattern of Fraud

*Author of original report: First Commercial Consultants of Gig Harbor, Wa. Liberty First, Bill Lange and Mary Jo Lamb, Robert Clawson

*Consumer Comment: I am also a victim of this company

*Author of original report: Liberty First, First Commercial Consultants/Bill Lange/Mary Jo Lamb/Robert Clawson

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: I was an employee of the company at the time this offense took place, I had no idea of the underhanded activity that took place

*Author of original report: Keep getting lied to.

*Consumer Comment: Robert Clawson

*Consumer Comment: Still Going On

*Consumer Comment: You are Correct. I am in the same boat

*Author of original report: Liberty First, First Commercial Consultants.

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Apologies to Mike from Tacoma

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Apologies to Mike from Tacoma

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On 5/11/06 we gave Billy Jo Lamb a retainer fee of $1,100.00 to help restore credit and start process of us purchasing a home. Nothing has been done. That was to Liberty First.

On 9/13/07 we faxed a check to First Consultants
Kelli (employee) to retain an investor on property in Tacoma. I repeatedly asked for receipt stating what the $2,000.00 was for. Never got one. The home was sold and there never was an investor for the property. We have repeatedly asked anybody that answers the phone for deposit back. We have e-mailed on serveral occasions requesting money back. We have talked to Bill Lange many, many times only to be lied to, put off and calls that are never returned by him. Bill Lange was told in October that we have a medical sitituation in our home that we wanted our deposit back (because it is needed) and that we will not pursue any property until after the 1st of the year. He was asking that we leave the deposit and use it towards another property we might find. All we want is our money back.

Mike
Tacoma, Washington
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 12/09/2007 01:55 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/First-Commercial-Consultants-Liberty-First-Bill-Lange-Mary-Jo-Lamb-Robert-Clawson/Gig-Harbor-Washington-98335/Liberty-First-First-Commercial-Consultants-Billy-Jo-Lamb-Bill-Lange-Robert-Clawson-Got-290128. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Author of original report

satisfed claim

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

Bill Lange and his company's satisfied our agreement 5/28/08. mike
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#2 Consumer Comment

Business As Usual, This is a Pattern of Fraud

AUTHOR: Moosehunter - (U.S.A.)

William C. Lange moved from Alaska to Washington carrying more than a million dollars in judgments against him for shady real estate and lending transactions. (Go ahead, look, it's a matter of public record.) Lange filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy (01/14/2003) in an attempt to evade his creditors, though one creditor in particular, Denali Federal Credit Union (with a judgment amount of $1,000,000 against Lange, Pierce County Superior Court Case #01-2-06624-8) held fast, and proceeded to lien Lange's home in Gig Harbor, despite Lange's attempts to assign interest in his home to his wife and parents to avoid having any attachable assets. (It's all in the court files, if any one cares to look.)

Since moving to Washington, Lange has been involved in several businesses revolving around lending, credit repair services, and real estate - the same as he was in Alaska. Obviously, he's left a trail of unpaid debt, unreturned monies, and broken promises in his most recent dealings, exactly as he had in Alaska. There are several Pierce County Superior Court cases pending right now against Lange and his various businesses (FIRST COMMERCIAL CONSULTANTS INC., LIBERTY FIRST SERVICES
among them).

It's called a History of Fraud. On paper. For real. Do "the next guy" a favor, and report it, so they don't become the next victim.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Business As Usual, This is a Pattern of Fraud

AUTHOR: Moosehunter - (U.S.A.)

William C. Lange moved from Alaska to Washington carrying more than a million dollars in judgments against him for shady real estate and lending transactions. (Go ahead, look, it's a matter of public record.) Lange filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy (01/14/2003) in an attempt to evade his creditors, though one creditor in particular, Denali Federal Credit Union (with a judgment amount of $1,000,000 against Lange, Pierce County Superior Court Case #01-2-06624-8) held fast, and proceeded to lien Lange's home in Gig Harbor, despite Lange's attempts to assign interest in his home to his wife and parents to avoid having any attachable assets. (It's all in the court files, if any one cares to look.)

Since moving to Washington, Lange has been involved in several businesses revolving around lending, credit repair services, and real estate - the same as he was in Alaska. Obviously, he's left a trail of unpaid debt, unreturned monies, and broken promises in his most recent dealings, exactly as he had in Alaska. There are several Pierce County Superior Court cases pending right now against Lange and his various businesses (FIRST COMMERCIAL CONSULTANTS INC., LIBERTY FIRST SERVICES
among them).

It's called a History of Fraud. On paper. For real. Do "the next guy" a favor, and report it, so they don't become the next victim.
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#4 Consumer Comment

Business As Usual, This is a Pattern of Fraud

AUTHOR: Moosehunter - (U.S.A.)

William C. Lange moved from Alaska to Washington carrying more than a million dollars in judgments against him for shady real estate and lending transactions. (Go ahead, look, it's a matter of public record.) Lange filed Chapter 7 bankruptcy (01/14/2003) in an attempt to evade his creditors, though one creditor in particular, Denali Federal Credit Union (with a judgment amount of $1,000,000 against Lange, Pierce County Superior Court Case #01-2-06624-8) held fast, and proceeded to lien Lange's home in Gig Harbor, despite Lange's attempts to assign interest in his home to his wife and parents to avoid having any attachable assets. (It's all in the court files, if any one cares to look.)

Since moving to Washington, Lange has been involved in several businesses revolving around lending, credit repair services, and real estate - the same as he was in Alaska. Obviously, he's left a trail of unpaid debt, unreturned monies, and broken promises in his most recent dealings, exactly as he had in Alaska. There are several Pierce County Superior Court cases pending right now against Lange and his various businesses (FIRST COMMERCIAL CONSULTANTS INC., LIBERTY FIRST SERVICES
among them).

It's called a History of Fraud. On paper. For real. Do "the next guy" a favor, and report it, so they don't become the next victim.
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#5 Author of original report

First Commercial Consultants of Gig Harbor, Wa. Liberty First, Bill Lange and Mary Jo Lamb, Robert Clawson

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

As stated in previous correspondence we have been scamned by above. I feel for you Michael of Austell, Georgia. We were told April 2008 would be the month to get our money back. We call every other day and get the same answer, tomorrow,tomorrow. He (they) took advantage of peope that were having a hard time and were looking for an honest way of re-building our lives. Mary Jo took a non-refundable deposit from us of $1,100.00 to give us (and she was going to do some of the work) the knowledge of how to re-store credit. She has not done ONE thing. We call her and she also is going to mail a packet. For over a year these packets must all be lost in mail. We gave First Commercial Consultants
(Bill Lange) a deposit of $2,000.00 on a piece of property in Tacoma that we found out later from an ex-employee of his was never offered on the property. When looking into this we found out the property was sold when they asked for the deposit of $2,000.00. Bill Lange has stated in previous correspondence that we backed out. He knows that is a lie. We wanted this property bad and everyone in his company that we talked to knew that. One time he told us the investor he gave the money to was in the hospital (we found out by talking to one of his employees) that there never was an investor.He also has stated that we signed a paper that this money was non-refundable. This also is not true. The money was for a specific piece of property and we signed nothing of the sort.This isn't alot of money to some but it is to us. He drives a fancy car, has serveral employees, is in a beautiful building (somewhere there is money)A friend of his told us that Bill Lange looks out after Bill Lange. That pretty much says it all coming from a friend.
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#6 Consumer Comment

I am also a victim of this company

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

I also have been told empty promises, If anyone gets any type of solutions please contact me at: (((ROR REDACTED))) I am married with two kids and that money was borrowed and when the deal didnt go through it set my family back. Please Please Please someone give me some guidance on what to do. I will do my part to bring this company down. People like this God wrath will come to past, I pray everyday that his will be done.

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#7 Author of original report

Liberty First, First Commercial Consultants/Bill Lange/Mary Jo Lamb/Robert Clawson

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

It is now April 2008 and since Sept.2007 on a semi- weekly basis we have gotten one excuse after another. I would like to know in the rebuttal by Robert of
4/16/08 what is he doing (if anything) to go after this company/Bill Lange. He can help and he needs to help those that have been scamed. He has more information and inside works that if ever the case will help those that have been scamed get the money they gave this man and his company for un-delivered promises. I feel sorry Robert that you are a victim too but you have to do your part (I talked with you many times and you told me many things that did not happen as promised)
Please keep us posted on this case. thank you,mike
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#8 REBUTTAL Individual responds

I was an employee of the company at the time this offense took place, I had no idea of the underhanded activity that took place

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

While I was an employee of the company at the time this offense took place, I had no idea of the underhanded activity that took place. As soon as I did I left the company with thousands of dollars in unpaid salary. I am sorry anyone got scammed, but I too was a victim. Please remove my name, as a professional it is hurting my family.
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#9 Author of original report

Keep getting lied to.

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

We just keep getting Tomorrow, Tomorrow. The man drives a nice car, his office is in a beautiful building, he goes moose hunting, he has lots of employees - how does one get away with this???? We don't live far from his office and we ran into someone he knows very well we told him our story and his comment was "Mr Bill Lange looks out after Mr. Bill Lange at the expense of anything and everybody."
That says alot when a friend will say that about you. We are suppose to call him this week but we are getting to the point of why bother? We need the money badly (he knows that) he takes advantage of vulnerable people. What can a person do? We have contacted BBB and he responds to them like we have a deal all worked out and that by his effort we talk to him regularly. Lie, Lie and more lies.
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#10 Consumer Comment

Robert Clawson

AUTHOR: Ltown - (U.S.A.)

Robert Clawson has since come clean and I believe he is honest and did not take money from innocent people. He is actually helping me in an effort to expose Lange and the criminals in his office.
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#11 Consumer Comment

Still Going On

AUTHOR: Ltown - (U.S.A.)

He was to have wired money into our bank account last night. We have been without income and the $3500 he stole from us. The money never showed. We have 3 small kids to feed and no help.
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#12 Consumer Comment

You are Correct. I am in the same boat

AUTHOR: Ltown - (U.S.A.)

I have suffered tremendously from this relationship with Lange. He has paid me some of what he owes but understands that I am switching jobs and need the money. I am the father of 3 small children and I have been begging him to send my money.

I now think he thinks I am bluffing BUT......some of his employees have called me and I am in the process of gaining affavdavits that will state he is taking money from people such as us.....to repay the people he owes. Its full circle and fixing to end.
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#13 Author of original report

Liberty First, First Commercial Consultants.

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

Correction on the name originally stated - it is Not Billy Jo Lamb it is
Mary Jo. That was a error on my part.
We were told to call Mr. Bill Lange the 1st part of Jan,2008 he was expecting some money and would be able to cure us. We called and again got the run around. He now says he will have money the middle of Feb.08. We will see. At least now he is not making up lies he is actually stating he doesn't have the money.This money was given as a security deposit on a specific piece of property not for him to use. He never had an investor as he previosly stated and there never was an offer made on the property by his company. The property has been sold
to someone else. He takes advantage of vulnerable people. I would like to hear from the other's that have been scammed by him.

Thank you.
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#14 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Apologies to Mike from Tacoma

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Mike's report is fairly accurate. I worked for the company for about 5 months during which time I was responsible for finding investors for these tenants that had paid money. There was not much support given to the tenants on structuring a deal so that it was appealing to the investors, and no follow up with the investors to ensure they were taken care of. I am sorry Mike had a bad experience, I never knowingly gave him innaccurate information.
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#15 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Apologies to Mike from Tacoma

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Mike's report is fairly accurate. I worked for the company for about 5 months during which time I was responsible for finding investors for these tenants that had paid money. There was not much support given to the tenants on structuring a deal so that it was appealing to the investors, and no follow up with the investors to ensure they were taken care of. I am sorry Mike had a bad experience, I never knowingly gave him innaccurate information.
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