• Report: #946361

Complaint Review: Front Sight Firearms Training Institute

  • Submitted: Tue, September 25, 2012
  • Updated: Tue, September 25, 2012

  • Reported By: Nurse4evermore — Fenton Missouri United States of America
Front Sight Firearms Training Institute
Internet United States of America

Front Sight Firearms Training Institute Dr Ignatius Piazza Chiropractors Gun Training Company is Scamming Consumers with gimmicks that keep you paying Internet

*Consumer Comment: Just attended class - Front Sight is great!

*Consumer Comment: Background check $$

*Consumer Comment: Inexpensive training

*Consumer Comment: Front Sight; A great Firearm Training Institute

*Consumer Comment: Great training - Clear program

*General Comment: Great Training

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Buyer Beware of Frontsight Scams: The company is opwned by a Chirpopracter who learned his scams really well. They get you on theri mailing list and offer you lifetime memberships to many different gun use workshops. They offer you the ability to take theri courses forever as long as you call and schedule in advance. What they do not tell you is that they will also charge you each year for a background check. They inflate the cost of this criminal background check and they have you paying them money for life. They conveinantly leave this fact out of all their sales pitches for their lifetime memberships. It is nothing moire than a giant scam run by a bigtime scam artist. Beware!

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#1 Consumer Comment

Just attended class - Front Sight is great!

AUTHOR: Drew - (USA)

I am amazed that someone finds it unfair to charge $50 for a background check within a 12-month period that a gun class is taken. That should lend credibility to Front Sight's commitment to safe gun use. Would you want to take the chance that you provide excellent - and I mean excellent - gun training to someone with something in his or her background that might suggest this person is not a good candidate for gun training? From a safety perspective as well as a common sense business decision, I find this requirement totally justifiable. I felt much more secure in the class knowing that everyone there had had a background check.

I do not think $50 is too much. In addition to the cost of running the check, they have administrative and infrastructure costs to cover just like anyone who is in business. If you have ever run a business yourself, you should understand this. If you haven't, then you should try it sometime.

I do not work for Front Sight and have no connection other than I just became a member and just finished my first class. I'll admit to being somewhat skeptical about it at first because Dr. Piazza is obviously such a marketing guru. I was so impressed with the class that I plan to have as many family members attend who can manage it. I feel that I now have the training that I need to allow me to own a gun responsibly.

The membership structure is somewhat confusing and really different, but so far, I have only found good value. I plan to attend other classes, because I heard from other students that all the classes are great. I think every law enforcement unit should consider this place for training. In fact, many of the students were involved in law enforcement.

Great training, great instructors, highly recommend Front Sight training.




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#2 Consumer Comment

Background check $$


The $50 background check fee is ONLY paid if you train within that year. If one chooses to NOT take a course within that calendar year, you don't pay the fee.

In addition, $50 is a very small price to pay for decent training using memberships that did not cost a lot of money to begin with. Price any 4 day firearms training course elsewhere and compare the costs.

You do not pay them anything for the rest of your life simply because you have a membership.

These are facts about about the original claim without emotions ruling the content.

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#3 Consumer Comment

Inexpensive training

AUTHOR: Starfire - (USA)

I  have been to Front Sight Training for 10 classes over 25 days.  The training is of high quality and very informative.  I agree that he should have told me up front that there is a $50 per year fee.  I would have still signed up but they should have said that.  Yes the marketing is over the top, but you don't need buy anything other than a lifetime membership (which can be had for under $100) in order to have 40+ classes for the rest of your life!  If you want to learn gunhandling and marksmanship you could do a lot worst than this place.  

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#4 Consumer Comment

Front Sight; A great Firearm Training Institute

AUTHOR: Capt Jim - ()

I have been a Lifetime Member for many years. I have progressed through several levels of membership starting with a Libertytree Membership progressing to a Diamond Membership.

All information was clearly explained at each up-grade and I was clearly given the oppertunity to ask about any of the information or decline the up-grade. Nothing is hidden if you take the time to read the information they send you in the mail as well as the information on the Computer.

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#5 Consumer Comment

Great training - Clear program

AUTHOR: jskp229 - ()

I have been a member for a about 4 years.   The program requirements and costs are clearly disclosed up front.  The only costs you have is a background check in the year you take any classes.    At $50, this is a minimal cost to keep the bad guys from accessing some very good training.  

If you don't take a class in any given year, there are no charges to you for anything.   Depending on how you acquired your membership, he issues credits that can be used toward this fee.   I received enough to pay my fee for over ten years of classes.

He is an aggressive marketeer.  Wiill he try to upsell you - yes, but they provide mechinisms to opt out of any contact, email or phone - just follow the instructions.   The choice is yours, but frequently he has oppotunities to expand on what you purchased depending on your initial level.  Again, it is your choice to participate or not. 

With respect to the training, I have trained at mutliple centers across the country and with multiple luminaries, this is equal to or exceeds most out there.  I would highly recommend this facility, and have to multiple friends and family members.    In fact I have given memberships to at over ten friends and family over the last two years.   We will be bringing a group of about 40 friends and family to Front Sight later this year.

In summary, great training, no surprises if you really listen.    I would recommend them to anyone that takes carrying a firearm as a serious responsibility and wants to be the best they can.  


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#6 General Comment

Great Training

AUTHOR: Steven J - ()

I have paid the same $50 background check every year I attend a course at Front Sight.  That was clearly explained in every membership I considered.  It only has to be paid if one takes a course that year.  So in the many years I've been a member, I've only paid that fee when I attended a course.  I've bunched my courses into one year.  So I paid for only one background check, then took several courses that year. 

A background check is important as life changes could prevent one from being qualified to carry a weapon.  In Texas, if one has a domestic violence conviction, that prevents them from getting or keeping their CHL in Texas.  So things change, and Front Sight is a responsible organization that only trains those that are qualified to carry a weapon.

I paid cash for my memberships so I had no interst.  I just paid what was the agreed charge for the membership, then only $50 for the years in which I take a course.  That fee has never risen for me.

They have the best training I've ever experienced.

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