• Report: #165478

Complaint Review: George W. Bush

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  • Submitted: Mon, November 21, 2005
  • Updated: Mon, February 04, 2013

  • Reported By:Sterling Illinois
George W. Bush
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, District of Columbia U.S.A.

George W. Bush This is Dedicated to the worst President this great country has ever seen. ripoff Washington District of Columbia Maryland

*Consumer Comment: Steve,

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: look u guys, iraq, vietnam simular in peril,

*Consumer Comment: Obama is the Anti-Christ

*Consumer Comment: Hey Steve, Maybe you should read the constitution

*Consumer Comment: IT WAS ALL CHANEY AND GEORGE H.W. BUSH RUNNING THINGS. THINK THEY WERE BAD --JUST WAIT!

*Consumer Comment: Praise Bush!!!

*Consumer Comment: Are you sure you are a "true soldier"????

*Consumer Comment: IT WILL TAKE AT LEAST TWO OR THREE GENERATIONS TO REPAIR THE DAMAGE THAT BOTH BUSHES AND CLINTON HAVE DONE!

*Consumer Comment: Just as other great visionaries we will not know the greatness of George W. Bush for another Generation.

*Consumer Comment: Just as other great visionaries we will not know the greatness of George W. Bush for another Generation.

*Consumer Comment: Like Reading the Comics !

*Consumer Comment: Everyone needs to realize this is so much bigger than anyone even knows

*Consumer Comment: Bush has done nothing for this country

*Consumer Comment: Bush has done nothing for this country

*Consumer Comment: Bush has done nothing for this country

*Consumer Comment: Bush has done nothing for this country

*Consumer Comment: To All of You Who've Hopped Aboard the Bush Bashing Bandwagon

*Consumer Comment: Americans have had it with republicans

*Consumer Comment: Bush Brown Nose

*Consumer Comment: And awaaaaaaay we go!

*Consumer Comment: In re: Robert, FL posting

*Consumer Comment: Robert

*Consumer Comment: Please name one good thing bush has done

*Consumer Comment: Please name one good thing bush has done

*Consumer Comment: Please name one good thing bush has done

*Consumer Comment: The press is simply following their own rules

*Consumer Comment: Hello Patrick

*Consumer Comment: Sensationalism at it's best!

*Consumer Comment: What's next?

*Consumer Comment: bush fans are the only was who can "insult" & call people names but nobody else!

*Consumer Comment: Why is it?

*Consumer Comment: Robert

*Consumer Comment: Robert

*Consumer Comment: Robert

*Consumer Comment: Robert

*Consumer Comment: Please increase your meds, Charles

*Consumer Comment: Please increase your meds, Charles

*Consumer Comment: Please increase your meds, Charles

*Consumer Comment: I was born in the united states & I will not leave

*Consumer Comment: Time for the dictionary again

*Consumer Comment: What did we get the last 6 years?

*Consumer Comment: What did we get the last 6 years?

*Consumer Comment: Amen Robert

*Consumer Comment: Amen Robert

*Consumer Comment: This could be the best two years of our lives

*Consumer Comment: Yea Democraps!

*Consumer Comment: America has spoken

*Consumer Comment: Please learn to read, Lori

*Consumer Comment: Oh Brother!

*Consumer Comment: Ah the Robert logic continues.......

*Consumer Comment: Ben is back for more abuse

*Consumer Comment: More Robert-Logic.......it never ends.....

*Consumer Comment: Comment by John P.

*Consumer Comment: Sorry James, you are wrong as always

*Consumer Comment: Robert-Florida

*Consumer Comment: Maybe I goofed on this part...

*Consumer Comment: Hey Jim Stop showing your stupidity

*Consumer Comment: Where to begin...I think with James

*Consumer Comment: George Bush- Thinks he's GOD!

*Consumer Comment: Robert, you do make some valid points but...

*Consumer Comment: You really shoud quit while you're behind.

*Consumer Comment: You really shoud quit while you're behind.

*Consumer Comment: You really shoud quit while you're behind.

*Consumer Comment: You really shoud quit while you're behind.

*Consumer Comment: Charles, Who did you vote for?

*Consumer Comment: bush fans need to look @ themselves

*Consumer Comment: In case you hadn't noticed, we are at war

*Consumer Comment: stubborn

*Consumer Comment: Let's all applaud Charles!

*Consumer Comment: Ummm Robert, Warrantless Surveillance was already ruled AGAINST by the UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT back in the Nixon era

*Consumer Comment: can you spell stubborn

*Consumer Comment: What a surprise!!!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Republican's vs Democrats

*Consumer Comment: I hate to say I told you so but...

*Consumer Comment: bush fans be prepared to lose

*Consumer Suggestion: Just so you know

*Consumer Comment: If it wasn't for Bush thousands more would have died!!

*Consumer Comment: bush fans be prepared to lose

*Consumer Suggestion: James, ..Someone who comes from a town where all the residents are either on crack or sleeping with every other resident, really isn't worth wasting the time of straining my eyes.

*Consumer Comment: Charles it goes both ways

*Consumer Comment: why can't republicans&democrats work togather besides being agaisnt each other bush & the rest of the republicans want the nation to be divided

*Consumer Suggestion: Bush is GOOD !!!!

*Consumer Comment: Ben has heatstroke

*Consumer Comment: World war III is welcomed!

*Consumer Comment: Oh yes..."the liberal bias excuse"....works every time

*Consumer Comment: THANX YOU COMEDY CENTRAL

*Consumer Suggestion: You guys are unbelieveable

*Consumer Comment: What drugs do you take?

*Consumer Comment: Robert, you've become trapped in your own spin

*Consumer Suggestion: Way to go James

*Consumer Comment: Impeachment does little good...

*Consumer Comment: Hey John Boy! Get a CLUE! you idiot Republicans

*Consumer Comment: Well, Just read my Comments. Say what you will.

*Consumer Suggestion: Ben you are a democrat shrill

*Consumer Comment: Simply astounding

*Consumer Comment: Found? Really? What? Where?

*Consumer Comment: Open mouth, insert foot...

*Consumer Comment: "Were" we there?

*Consumer Comment: Steve look In the Mirror Before You call People Names

*Consumer Comment: You are a joke to think that Bush Jr. is so great. You must be d**n rich, or have stock in an oil company.

*Consumer Comment: Oil companies are punishing americans for bush's war iraq freedom for the iraq people

*Consumer Comment: Mindy you are a typical Liberal

*Consumer Comment: Mindy you are a typical Liberal

*Consumer Comment: Mindy you are a typical Liberal

*Consumer Comment: Mindy you are a typical Liberal

*Consumer Suggestion: To the Original Poster

*Consumer Comment: I know how corrupt this government is and I sures' hell don't support anything it does

*Consumer Comment: It's really a sad situation

*Consumer Comment: John, these weapons are not the reason

*Consumer Comment: B- These weapons are the reason

*Consumer Comment: No, no, no WMD!

*Consumer Comment: I just love bush fans

*Consumer Comment: Lydia, Charles and Joan are Democratic Shrills

*Consumer Comment: An Adult Perspective

*Consumer Suggestion: I agree with CHARLES 100%

*Consumer Comment: Republicans & fox news belong togather

*Consumer Comment: Republicans & fox news belong togather

*Consumer Comment: Republicans & fox news belong togather

*Consumer Comment: Republicans & fox news belong togather

*Consumer Comment: Jon, I agree, I believe we need CHANGE!

*Consumer Comment: The Three "Greedy" Stooges (Jeff, Ken & George)

*Consumer Comment: That was great Jimmy

*Consumer Comment: Bobby, Bobby! Catherine is RIGHT!

*Consumer Comment: What "oops" are you talking about, Katherine?

*Consumer Comment: Bush wasn't even really elected the first time around

*Consumer Suggestion: I disagree, respectfully

*Consumer Suggestion: I have to Agree

*Consumer Comment: In ww2

*Consumer Comment: Impeachment? No. Impalement!

*Consumer Comment: I agree Damon

*Consumer Comment: The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct

*Consumer Suggestion: Save the headaches...

*Consumer Comment: Ron White is correct, and James proves it

*Consumer Comment: Bush is lowest rated President ever!

*Consumer Comment: If you don't have the solution - stop complaining

*Consumer Comment: What is it about this appointment that has you in such a tiff James?

*Consumer Comment: Lot's of naive Bush followers!

*Consumer Comment: What your or my opinion is......is moot!

*Consumer Comment: You make me sleepy, Ben

*Consumer Comment: OH! By all means then.....

*Consumer Comment: Felony? Delay? Non-Crime?

*Consumer Comment: Excuse me?

*Consumer Suggestion: So Bush is "Spying on the American People"... uhm.. So is Virgin Records, silly.

*Consumer Comment: I know I'll be sorry for asking this, but... name the felony Tom DeLay is accused of

*Consumer Comment: Why is bush terminating everybody in his office

*Consumer Suggestion: Good quote

*Consumer Comment: It Must Be a Miracle!

*Consumer Comment: How about that...someone OTHER than James or Charles has something to say...

*Consumer Comment: Bleeding Liberals Please Vent Errory Anda Puffings Site

*Consumer Comment: Bleeding Liberals Please Vent Errory Anda Puffings Site

*Consumer Comment: Bleeding Liberals Please Vent Errory Anda Puffings Site

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush, is almost as bad than President Johnson!

*Consumer Suggestion: Another question...

*Consumer Comment: Criticism of the President

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush should be impeached!

*Consumer Comment: Since we elected him I think we should support him even if he looks and acts like a moron and driving this county into the ground, we should stick with our mistake and support this idiot

*Consumer Comment: Since we elected him I think we should support him even if he looks and acts like a moron and driving this county into the ground, we should stick with our mistake and support this idiot

*Consumer Comment: Since we elected him I think we should support him even if he looks and acts like a moron and driving this county into the ground, we should stick with our mistake and support this idiot

*Consumer Comment: Since we elected him I think we should support him even if he looks and acts like a moron and driving this county into the ground, we should stick with our mistake and support this idiot

*Consumer Comment: We all know Bush isn't perfect-neither is Clinton

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: If people who are agaisnt bush should be introuble then people who say negative things about clinton should be put in jail

*Consumer Comment: You're the one that keeps saying the same things

*Consumer Comment: Nobody has rights anymore

*Consumer Comment: Nobody has rights anymore

*Consumer Comment: Nobody has rights anymore

*Consumer Comment: Robert you are sad

*Consumer Comment: Gina, don't bother with Charles

*Consumer Comment: Like the pot calling the kettle black

*Consumer Comment: I can't take it anymore

*Consumer Comment: I can't take it anymore

*Consumer Comment: I can't take it anymore

*Consumer Comment: I can't take it anymore

*Consumer Comment: So all republicans are rich?

*Consumer Comment: So all republicans are rich?

*Consumer Comment: So all republicans are rich?

*Consumer Comment: So all republicans are rich?

*Consumer Comment: If bush cares for americans why has he made life so hard for americans

*Consumer Comment: If bush cares for americans why has he made life so hard for americans

*Consumer Comment: If bush cares for americans why has he made life so hard for americans

*Consumer Comment: If bush cares for americans why has he made life so hard for americans

*Consumer Comment: Really?

*Consumer Suggestion: And again charles you duck "CIVIL" Questions

*Consumer Suggestion: And again charles you duck "CIVIL" Questions

*Consumer Suggestion: And again charles you duck "CIVIL" Questions

*Consumer Suggestion: And again charles you duck "CIVIL" Questions

*Consumer Comment: i'll say what i have to say then i move on

*Consumer Comment: Why does anyone take Charles seriously?

*Consumer Comment: Why does anyone take Charles seriously?

*Consumer Comment: Why does anyone take Charles seriously?

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles, Maybe this time you can respond to my questions instead of ducking them again?

*Consumer Comment: If i were clinton i would sue the hell out of ken starr & the rest of the republican party ignore what the people from fox news

*Consumer Comment: Hate to say this

*Consumer Comment: Don't let these idiot republicans from fox news hannity o'reily control what you believe

*Consumer Comment: Curious about the acts of evil he's done

*Consumer Comment: Curious about the acts of evil he's done

*Consumer Comment: Curious about the acts of evil he's done

*Consumer Comment: Curious about the acts of evil he's done

*Consumer Comment: Addendum

*Consumer Comment: Something stinks in this administration. It may be that all those eggs on G.W.'s face have begun to "ripen" after so long a time.

*Consumer Suggestion: About the President (any President)

*Consumer Comment: You have the right to vote for who you like republican or democrat but it does not give a person a right to insult you

*Consumer Comment: You have the right to vote for who you like republican or democrat but it does not give a person a right to insult you

*Consumer Comment: You have the right to vote for who you like republican or democrat but it does not give a person a right to insult you

*Consumer Comment: You have the right to vote for who you like republican or democrat but it does not give a person a right to insult you

*Consumer Comment: Ted, you have questions, I have answers.

*Consumer Suggestion: Not just President Bush, but any President

*Consumer Comment: Robert you are sad! arguing is pointless

*Consumer Comment: Robert you are sad! arguing is pointless

*Consumer Comment: Robert you are sad! arguing is pointless

*Consumer Comment: Robert you are sad! arguing is pointless

*Consumer Comment: Of course you think the republicans ramble on!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: I was just thinking about something...

*Consumer Comment: REPUBLICANS DON'T SPEAK THE TRUTH

*Consumer Comment: Gina, Maybe this is a Good sign

*Consumer Comment: as I said, I don't think he's the best president we've ever had-but

*Consumer Suggestion: Good for you Gina

*Consumer Comment: Republicans cutting down democrats that is usually what is said when all of us Republicans are bringing up Truths

*Consumer Comment: THE FUN CONTINUES

*Consumer Comment: Vote out the "Mengeles" and take your country back!!

*Consumer Comment: Could you do a better job?

*Consumer Comment: Hi Robert

*Consumer Comment: Hi Robert

*Consumer Comment: Hi Robert

*Consumer Comment: Hi Robert

*Consumer Comment: Welcome back Lori, now please get your facts correct

*Consumer Comment: Bush supporters are blinded!

*Consumer Comment: To Shawn

*Consumer Comment: Charles, Charles, Charles.....

*Consumer Comment: All this grousing about Republicans....

*Consumer Comment: BUSH HAS CROSSED THE LINE! BUSH HAS GONE TO FAR!! THIS IS TO ALL REPUBLICANS BUSH NEEDS TO BE IMPEACHED

*Consumer Comment: REPUBLICANS ARE THE CAUSE OF THE TWO SHUTTLE DISASTERS WHICH CLAIMED THE LIVES OF 14 PEOPLE BECAUSE REP DO NOT WANT TO FUND THE SPACE PROGRAM

*Consumer Comment: Tyler you'er so pathetic you'er not even funny I will not listen to anyone insults who think i am uneducated bush does not care about bin laden

*Consumer Comment: Hey Tyler, schmucks like you that give Republicans everywhere a bad name

*Consumer Comment: Hey Tyler, schmucks like you that give Republicans everywhere a bad name

*Consumer Comment: Hey Tyler, schmucks like you that give Republicans everywhere a bad name

*Consumer Comment: Hey Tyler, schmucks like you that give Republicans everywhere a bad name

*Consumer Suggestion: THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR ALL YOU DEMOCRATS.

*Consumer Comment: Careful, Charles - you are starting to sound like a Republican!

*Consumer Comment: Bush followers are blinding others!!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: The united states better be protecting us from another attack & not to be intimated by bin laden

*Consumer Comment: Congratulations to the new democrat of virgina to win the governership & for the many other democrats to win other states to take our country back!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles why so much hatred?

*Consumer Comment: Why the silence? James . . .Lori . . . - once again the "bashers" have been thoroughly proven to have offered nothing but their usual rhetoric and blatant spin!

*Consumer Comment: Just popping in...

*Consumer Comment: Just popping in...

*Consumer Comment: Just popping in...

*Consumer Comment: Just popping in...

*Consumer Comment: continuing on -

*Consumer Comment: James you are right - If bill clinton or any other democrat is doing the same thing bus is doing they would have impeached clinton or recalled him long before know.

*Consumer Comment: Sore fingers, but i had to correct an error

*Consumer Comment: I can't take it any more!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Shawn-California, you are useless!

*Consumer Comment: Ummm, Lori, I hate to burn your soapbox, but . . .

*Consumer Comment: Funny you should mention that, Shawn...

*Consumer Comment: A note to Charles....

*Consumer Comment: Bad news services in OK?

*Consumer Comment: Bad news services in OK?

*Consumer Comment: Bad news services in OK?

*Consumer Comment: Bad news services in OK?

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles, You are A Hypocrite

*Consumer Comment: Shawn, Hows your incompetent Governor???

*Consumer Comment: This is to everybody on this website ignore me i don't care i have a right to be here I don't care if anyone thinks i am a bad speller

*Consumer Comment: Oklahoma's burning-no response from feds!

*Consumer Comment: What paper Robert?

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush needs to be impeached!

*Consumer Comment: I can add to that Shawn

*Consumer Comment: I can add to that Shawn

*Consumer Comment: I can add to that Shawn

*Consumer Comment: Author - Unknown

*Consumer Comment: A little injected humor relative to the topics . . .

*Consumer Comment: Some clarification is in order...

*Consumer Comment: Some clarification is in order...

*Consumer Comment: Some clarification is in order...

*Consumer Comment: Some clarification is in order...

*Consumer Comment: You have enough Robert.....

*Consumer Comment: Just when you think it's safe enough to go back in the water....

*Consumer Comment: New Year - Same War

*Consumer Comment: I'll take all of them in order, Ben

*Consumer Comment: I have a question for you, Ben, anything showing your Grandfather was unjustly accused

*Consumer Comment: Invited To View This Thread

*Consumer Comment: Ummm Vera..... I'm a bit confused here because of your last comments..

*Consumer Comment: Now lets address that original link Robert.......

*Consumer Comment: You have been trounced Robert.

*Consumer Comment: Well Golly-Gee Indeed! More feigned surprise from Left Of Center...

*Consumer Comment: Ok robert.....stop playing with dates......

*Consumer Comment: And still we wait, Ben

*Consumer Comment: OOoooo those nasty commies!!... they be coming to get ya!

*Consumer Comment: Or.. how about this...

*Consumer Comment: Or how about this.......

*Consumer Comment: A little more fuel...

*Consumer Comment: So explain to me Robert...

*Consumer Comment: You just DIS-Proved your own case Ben

*Consumer Comment: Gee Ben, I take it you cannot provide any proof

*Consumer Comment: Gee Ben, I take it you cannot provide any proof

*Consumer Comment: Gee Ben, I take it you cannot provide any proof

*Consumer Comment: And just for Robert... Now......your turn. Show me the proof.

*Consumer Comment: WOW!

*Consumer Comment: Shawn, You reflected my sentiments perfectly. !

*Consumer Comment: Not directed at anyone in particular, but, just a thought . . .

*Consumer Comment: GEEEEZ, YOU THINK PRESIDENT BUSH GIVES A d**n WHAT ANY OF YOU THINK

*Consumer Comment: I got more toys for Christmas

*Consumer Comment: To Robert, Point well taken. Yes I have spewed some venom and to all I appologize!!!

*Consumer Comment: James of Tupper ...keep to your own thread.

*Consumer Comment: Tyler this is not about Democrats & Republicans. It's About Doing The Right Thing!

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera-Tweet-Ohio!!!!!!! You need HELP!!!!!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: TYLER'ALTHOUGH I'M SURE YOUR INTENTIONS ARE GOOD, . . .

*Consumer Comment: I stand ...corrected...sort of. :)

*Consumer Comment: I stand ...corrected...sort of. :)

*Consumer Comment: I stand ...corrected...sort of. :)

*Consumer Comment: Let's all not be rude or insulting

*Consumer Comment: To Vera

*Consumer Comment: To Vera

*Consumer Comment: To Vera

*Consumer Comment: To Vera

*Consumer Comment: Bill Clinton is out of office already Amy

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles what are you talking about?

*Consumer Comment: To amy

*Consumer Comment: The hatred continues Tyler a typical republican

*Consumer Comment: The People MUST take this country back .. it's long overdue!

*Consumer Suggestion: OK CHARLES YOUR A TYPICAL DEMOCRAT.

*Consumer Suggestion: OK CHARLES YOUR A TYPICAL DEMOCRAT.

*Consumer Suggestion: OK CHARLES YOUR A TYPICAL DEMOCRAT.

*Consumer Comment: Dis-Miss isn't the typical....

*Consumer Comment: Makes you think! ..the 535 members of the United States Congress

*Consumer Comment: TO TYLER. Who pulled your string?!

*Consumer Comment: If bush would have acted to prevent 9/11 then 9/11 would have never had happend in the first place

*Consumer Comment: SHUT UP REPUBLICANS!!!!!!! TYLER YOU WHIT E PEICE OF RACIST GARBAGE ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO CAUSE ALL THIS HATRED!!!!!!! YOU,ER REALLY A LOW-LIFE

*Consumer Comment: Another Profound Pro-Bush Statement

*Consumer Comment: Yadda, yadda, yadda

*Consumer Comment: Yadda, yadda, yadda

*Consumer Comment: Yadda, yadda, yadda

*Consumer Comment: SHUT UP YOU LIBERALS!!!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Just my two cents

*Consumer Comment: Just my two cents

*Consumer Comment: Just my two cents

*Consumer Comment: The original meaning of the word has been corrupted over the yaers for "political correctness"...or just because so many went to Government Schools

*Author of original report: Hello Again from the one who started it all!

*Author of original report: Hello Again from the one who started it all!

*Author of original report: Hello Again from the one who started it all!

*Author of original report: Hello Again from the one who started it all!

*Consumer Comment: By-the-way!!!

*Consumer Comment: Patrick i will not let you get the satisfaction from thinking you can insult me to keep me quit ignore me I don't really care

*Consumer Comment: GOODBYE CIVIL RIGHTS!!!

*Consumer Comment: I will ignore any rude comments anyone has to say to me

*Consumer Comment: Favorite President? This is easy for me.

*Consumer Comment: Last comments for Charles.

*Consumer Comment: Last comments for Charles.

*Consumer Comment: Last comments for Charles.

*Consumer Comment: Last comments for Charles.

*Consumer Comment: Bush is in office deal with it.

*Consumer Comment: To Charles

*Consumer Comment: O.K. Ben, you win . . .

*Consumer Comment: Anybody else get the feeling Postal has a cousin in Alabama?

*Consumer Comment: You're welcome, Jon! :)

*Consumer Comment: You're welcome, Jon! :)

*Consumer Comment: You're welcome, Jon! :)

*Consumer Comment: You're welcome, Jon! :)

*Consumer Comment: Weather in Alabama If people will not show me respect I will not show them respect

*Consumer Comment: Sorry patrick you;er still wrong My right to speak freely just like anybody else

*Consumer Comment: Patrick I see all your intensions are to spread hatred on this website just like david & robert & vera & to indescriminately agaisnt people

*Consumer Comment: Ben is right about the poll numbers

*Consumer Comment: You're very welcome!

*Consumer Comment: Job approval ratings.......

*Consumer Comment: Ok let me get this down right Shawn......

*Consumer Comment: I wont argue any side

*Consumer Comment: I see you'er still spreading your hate david Bush supporters love to spread hate

*Consumer Comment: Oh and spare me the "goto the other thread" Vera.....

*Consumer Comment: Now your putting words in my mouth Vera? People like you and Bush make this country an unhappy place by constantly dividing everyone.

*Consumer Comment: Sorry Charles, you are still worng.

*Consumer Comment: Oh ya . . . I almost forgot! My favorite president was . . .

*Consumer Comment: Tsk...tsk...tskk.

*Consumer Comment: Tsk...tsk...tskk.

*Consumer Comment: Tsk...tsk...tskk.

*Consumer Comment: Tsk...tsk...tskk.

*Consumer Comment: You are dead wrong Ben - dead wrong!

*Consumer Comment: Patrick Robert tried to abuse me first about how I wrote my response Robert & you are the ones who needs to behave & quit abusing people

*Consumer Comment: To Charles

*Consumer Comment: Get over it David my right to speak FREELY!!!! Just like you & all the other bush supporters on this website who cause all of this hatred

*Consumer Comment: Vera... .Queen Hypocrite..

*Consumer Comment: You made an outragous statment and called it fact. Now cough up the goods!

*Consumer Comment: David I see all your intention is to bring out hatred as to all the other bush supporters

*Consumer Comment: David you the one that needs to quit spreading hatred on this website I will not take any abuse from anybody

*Consumer Comment: Charles, you do not get it.

*Consumer Comment: My top 3

*Consumer Comment: I can't believe he admitted it!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Get over it vera to all you clinton haters republicans refuse to listen to reason they are so hard headed & ignorant pure white trash garbage

*Consumer Comment: Get over it vera to all you clinton haters republicans refuse to listen to reason they are so hard headed & ignorant pure white trash garbage

*Consumer Comment: Get over it vera to all you clinton haters republicans refuse to listen to reason they are so hard headed & ignorant pure white trash garbage

*Consumer Comment: Get over it vera to all you clinton haters republicans refuse to listen to reason they are so hard headed & ignorant pure white trash garbage

*Author of original report: My favorite president is...

*Consumer Comment: To Charles, It is obvious to me that your only intention here is to spread hate.

*Consumer Comment: Just the facts

*Consumer Comment: Who's Your Favorite President and Why?

*Consumer Comment: Lara, You Just Proved Steve's Point.

*Consumer Comment: It is finished.

*Consumer Comment: David you'er the one that needs to stop the name calling & quit blaming everyone for your actions listen clinton haters

*Consumer Comment: Well, Ms. Lara from Winston-Salem, North Carolina

*Consumer Comment: To Jon you'er right vera stop with you phony BS ..Bush only cares for the rich only

*Consumer Comment: Vera.. Im still waiting for facts......

*Consumer Comment: Vera.. Im still waiting for facts......

*Author of original report: A message to all posters from Sterling Stephen

*Author of original report: A message to all posters from Sterling Stephen

*Consumer Comment: You're seeing the light.

*Consumer Comment: Quick Point

*Consumer Comment: Thanx Stephen!

*Consumer Comment: To all on this thread

*Consumer Comment: To Charles in Phenix

*Consumer Comment: To Charles in Phenix

*Consumer Comment: To Charles in Phenix

*Consumer Comment: To Charles in Phenix

*Consumer Comment: Get your coffee, folks...this is a big'un.

*Consumer Comment: Vurrrp! {Cough! Cough!}

*Consumer Comment: TO Robert, John Vera stop the childish crap & grow-up!!!!!!!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Dear robert why do you have to insult people!!!!!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Dear David why do you have to call people names

*Consumer Comment: Dear Vera poor lost minded soul the fun continues to all republican supporters keep up the hatred

*Consumer Comment: Vera.....you never stop with the phony BS do ya?

*Author of original report: Dear Charles from Alabama

*Consumer Comment: TO vera, robert & john started this mess republicans are very stubborn & ignorant republicans love to bully people who can't defend themselves

*Consumer Comment: I have seen the light!

*Consumer Comment: I have seen the light!

*Consumer Comment: I have seen the light!

*Consumer Comment: I have seen the light!

*Author of original report: Dear John from Georgia

*Consumer Comment: Yes Charles, I sure did

*Consumer Comment: To all the dumb educated republicans why do ya'll have to be so judgemental of other people

*Consumer Comment: Stop, Look, and Laugh....

*Consumer Comment: A note to Charles

*Consumer Comment: Am I the only one who thinks Charles would have to climb UP to be in the gutter?

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles, Maybe you can learn somehting from Steve

*Consumer Comment: what the dumb educated republicans love to do to people abuse them & misteat them & put them down who think they are so smart that is why we will in such a messed up world

*Author of original report: Dear John, in response to the question you ask Charles.

*Consumer Comment: Addendum to "Say what...?"--Whoops! I goofed!

*Consumer Comment: Say what...? can anyone understand what Chuckles wrote

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles will you answer a question?

*Consumer Comment: TO VERA & JOHN YA'LLS COMMENTS ARE BOTH IRRESPONSIBLE

*Consumer Comment: The fun continues

*Consumer Comment: Unique is unique, to say the least

*Consumer Comment: David in OKC You put it beautifully and you are so right!!!

*Consumer Comment: Hello! :)

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles, What name did I call you

*Consumer Comment: Dear Steve in Sterling

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush- Bush is an Adolf Hitler want to be!

*Consumer Comment: This is dedicated to all, but especially Robert- FL

*Consumer Comment: McCarthy, Hitler, Bush......one in the same.

*Author of original report: Dear David in OC

*Consumer Comment: TO JOHN you bush supporters are the only ones who can insult us & call us names

*Consumer Comment: To Robert check your facts

*Consumer Comment: John Why all the insults & hatred from the people on your side but we don't have any rights but ya'll

*Consumer Comment: Here you go guys

*Consumer Comment: the debate goes on

*Consumer Comment: To Sterling Steve

*Consumer Comment: Ben, keep reading and re-reading

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles Why Do you Have to call people names?

*Consumer Comment: Robert..... Your defense of McCarthy is absolutely disgusting. And it shows just how low and inhuman you can be. ..Tell YOUR President to stop dicking around

*Consumer Comment: OSAMA BIN LADEN ATTACK US ON 09/11/01 NOT IRAQ THE BUSH WHITE HOUSE FULL OF LIES THIS IS TO ALL YOU REPUBLICAN PIGS

*Author of original report: Dear David in OC

*Consumer Comment: We are not a democracy?

*Consumer Comment: Lori, get YOUR facts straight

*Consumer Comment: 52 Years Ben, 52 Years...

*Consumer Suggestion: "President" Bush is the best argument for abortion I have ever seen!

*Consumer Comment: Robert......

*Consumer Comment: The true leaches of this country.

*Consumer Comment: To Robert

*Consumer Comment: Lori you airhead

*Consumer Comment: How do you people survive with absolutely no knowledge of how things work here in the US????

*Consumer Comment: WE ARE UNITED STATES AMERICANS & HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK OUT AGAISNT BUSH & THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT REPUBLICANS LOVE MAKING LIFE HARD FOR AMERICANS

*Consumer Comment: Bush doesn't care about America!!

*Consumer Comment: YOU'ER SO FULL OF s**t ROBERT YOUR INSULTS DO NOT BOTHER ME YOU BUSH SUPPORTERS ARE THE REASON WHY I DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN

*Consumer Comment: YOU'ER SO FULL OF s**t ROBERT YOUR INSULTS DO NOT BOTHER ME YOU BUSH SUPPORTERS ARE THE REASON WHY I DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN

*Consumer Comment: YOU'ER SO FULL OF s**t ROBERT YOUR INSULTS DO NOT BOTHER ME YOU BUSH SUPPORTERS ARE THE REASON WHY I DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN

*Consumer Comment: YOU'ER SO FULL OF s**t ROBERT YOUR INSULTS DO NOT BOTHER ME YOU BUSH SUPPORTERS ARE THE REASON WHY I DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN

*Consumer Comment: Charles, please get an education

*Consumer Comment: GEORGE W BUSH REASON NOT TO VOTE REPUBLICAN BUSH TALKS SNEAKY TO GET HIS OWN WAY HE ALSO CHEATED TWO TIMES WITH REPUBLICANS HELP

*Consumer Comment: ROBERT YOU ARE SO FULL OF s**t THIS IS THE REASON WHY PEOPLE HATE BUSH SUPPORTERS NOTHING BUT LIARS & COWARDS YOU WHITE RACIST GARBAGE

*Consumer Comment: ROBERT YOU ARE SO FULL OF s**t THIS IS THE REASON WHY PEOPLE HATE BUSH SUPPORTERS NOTHING BUT LIARS & COWARDS YOU WHITE RACIST GARBAGE

*Consumer Comment: ROBERT YOU ARE SO FULL OF s**t THIS IS THE REASON WHY PEOPLE HATE BUSH SUPPORTERS NOTHING BUT LIARS & COWARDS YOU WHITE RACIST GARBAGE

*Consumer Comment: ROBERT YOU ARE SO FULL OF s**t THIS IS THE REASON WHY PEOPLE HATE BUSH SUPPORTERS NOTHING BUT LIARS & COWARDS YOU WHITE RACIST GARBAGE

*Consumer Comment: My take on this

*Consumer Comment: David from OKC you seem to have the same attitude that alot of people from OKC have.

*Consumer Comment: David you sound like you are quite little the red neck!

*Consumer Comment: It's time for a Civics Lesson

*Author of original report: Dear Steve in California

*Author of original report: Dear Chuck from OC

*Author of original report: Dear Chuck, he is the most powerful man in the world with one hell of a retirement when he is done

*Consumer Comment: McCarthy......has returned.

*Consumer Comment: Yo, Ben

*Author of original report: Dear Thom from Virginia you exerted your comments at the wrong person

*Author of original report: Dear Thom from Virginia you exerted your comments at the wrong person

*Author of original report: Dear Thom from Virginia you exerted your comments at the wrong person

*Author of original report: Dear Thom from Virginia you exerted your comments at the wrong person

*Consumer Comment: Let show some control shall we

*Consumer Comment: Chuck...uh, surveillance photos were used at the UN.

*Author of original report: Dear concerned citizen

*Consumer Suggestion: STEVE IS NOT A MILITARY MAN!

*Consumer Comment: Bush isn't perfect

*Consumer Comment: One small problem with the Oklahoma bombing there bud... GWB is nothing but a con-man and crook.

*Consumer Comment: Something in the water...

*Consumer Comment: not another Timothy McVey

*Consumer Comment: Kudos, Steve! Let me jump in here before the arguing starts (and I suspect it will-SOON)

*Consumer Comment: Bush is an idiot!!!

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I am writing this report to express my views of the horrible President we all have in George W. Bush. I am a Veteran of the Operation Iraqi Freedom and have spent most of my adult life in the military.

I will start with the liberation or rather invasion of Iraq. When the orders came down to move into Iraq, there was a plan of action to take over the country; however, all plans ended there. The President had no plan as to what we were to as a military in the country of Iraq after successfully taking over the country. Now we seem to be stuck between a rock and a hard place. Should we pull out? Should we stay?

Logic tells me that the lives we are senslessly losing in that country are more than reason enough for us to pull out. George W. Bush made a mistake he is not willing to own up to, and he needs to own it and pull out. A horrible civil war will break out if we leave many people say and they are right, but with one exception.

It doesn't matter if we leave Iraq now or 20 years from now; there will be a fight for power when we do. The only difference between leaving now and years from now is the number of American and innocent Iraqi lives that will be lost.

It is time to let them fight their own war, so own up to it George and admit you made the ultimate mistake. Iraq.

When I think President, I think figurehead; someone who is respected and looked up to by the masses as a leader of the people, and a vessel through which the people speak and are heard by the government. George W. Bush is not worthy of respect, speaks broken and uneducated English as his primary language, gets frustrated mush too easily, had absolutely no foreign policy experience when he took office (which is why the world hates and mocks him in every way), and is simply not in any way qualified for the position he is in.

I am ashamed of our leader, as is the rest of the known World as a whole, and we should impeach him simply to avoid the horrors we face with him in office between now and the next election.

I say this as a soldier and citizen of the United States of America, a country I am proud to be a citizen of, and I welcome any comments people have. I will be glad to respond to everyone's comments.

Best regards

Steve
Sterling, Illinois
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Steve,

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

You can 'Google' the following documentaries and watch them on the web for important information-

1) FRONTLINE: BUSH'S WAR
2) FRONTLINE: OBAMA'S WAR
3) FRONTLINE: THE WOUNDED PLATOON

I agree that George W. Bush was a terrible president. I also believe that Bill Clinton was a terrible president, because he was the one who signed legislation in 1999 that repealed the Glass-Steagall Act. That is what allowed the Wall Street bankers to run wild and destroy much of the economy. It led to the financial crisis in 2008 and forced the American people to bail-out the banks and several large Wall Street firms with hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayer's money from the TARP.

You can 'Google' the following documentaries and videos and watch them on the web in order to understand who U.S. Presidents are ultimately working for-

1) FRONTLINE: INSIDE THE MELTDOWN
2) FULL SHOW: HOW BIG BANKS ARE REWRITING THE RULES OF OUR ECONOMY
3) FRONTLINE: MONEY, POWER AND WALL STREET
4) RON PAUL'S BROTHER ON FEDERAL RESERVE SYSTEM
5) WHO OWNS THE FED BANK, WHO CONTROLS WHO VIDEO
6) FRONTLINE: THE WARNING
7) LEGALIZED PLUNDER OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE- G EDWARD GRIFFIN
8) AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM
9) YOUTUBE FALL OF THE REPUBLIC

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look u guys, iraq, vietnam simular in peril,

AUTHOR: Robert379 - (U.S.A.)

there was rich oppression in the days Jesus walked on eath,and thanks to busness
little by little the country and the people have been swindled by all rich greedy buisness men and woman, we are now owned by china and the world bank, our childrens children,and there generations are gone,thank greed for that, we the people is a mochery, and a joke, it is we the rich, and has always been. so keep your eyes on the long haul its God and his son Jesus, he will set the scales of justice for all, and watch out throwing those rocks, cause one may come back and knock you out, and it relation not religion. there is no american dream, there is only your dream and many others dreams, and thats all there is! but in all reality, im sure these guys will be getting some serious justice very soon! war is about power, money , resources, ethnic cleansing, the business of greedy corrupt killing money, blood money!!!!!!!!!!!!! but if we the people, would stand up to our worthless leaders, then God might help us! we do nothing so we get worse! how about inditements,for all corrupt leaders, and busness thieves of the US.,they are the very ones stealing and killing the very souls of family life, becuase they serve stan and greed!!!!!!!!!!1 , so lets get it back and fight for all our families, not the rich famillies,there doing just fine, start a new party, heres a thought, lets call it we the honest people of the united states of america party. peace yall !
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#3 Consumer Comment

Obama is the Anti-Christ

AUTHOR: Rl - (U.S.A.)

You want to complain about how W. was spending money, what do you have to say about Obama??? He has quadrupiled the deficite in 60 days. He is a marionitte and his puppiter is Rohm Emanual. They are BOTH plants that were place into position to destroy this country. First step, socialize banks, businesses, and health care. Second step, spend the country into oblivion, into a debt that can NEVER be repaid. Third step, put the government in control of EVERYTHING. This includes who can run what companies, what these people and others in those companies can make. This is done with the sole purpose of driving the best out of America and into foreign companies so the American companies suffer. This is his way of evening out the playing field. Fourth step, weaken the military to the point that is is obsolete. Fifth step creat a "civilian defense force" to walk the streets of America. SOUND LIKE THE S.S. TO ANYONE ELSE????
He is a markisist, socialist, facist PIG. He has a huge chip on his shoulder about the "wealthy" in this country. Last time I checked him and EVERYONE IN HIS STAFF ARE MILLIONAIRS. So the rest of us have to suffer, but its ok for him and those closest to him to be rich. He wants to complain about "climate change" but he still has limos that guzzle gas, he still flies in private jets, and I don't see one electric or hybrid among any of them. So again the rest of us have to deal with these little toy cars they are going to force us to buy, but its ok for them to use the old ones. He also had 40... YES 40 choppers fly into England so no one would know which one was his. Oh yea what a great way to combat climate change. No other president in history has ever done anything like that. How much fuel was wasted?????? How much pollution was put into the atmosphere???? All to feed that huge ego of his.
Now he is bowing to the prince of Saudi Arabia (now we know who is really in control of Obama and Emanual) and is going around appologizing to the world for "American Arrogance", and refussed to visit the mass grave yard in Normandy???
My grandfather was a WWII vet. The rest of the world that Obama is busy appologizing to wold be SPEAKING GERMAN if it wasn't for us.
Obama is the anti christ. Now doubt about it.
Lets go ask the people in Russia how this kind of hostile government takeover worked out for them in the 50's, 60's, 70's and 80's. Even Putin said that what Obama and co. was doing would not work. He would know, he lived through it.
How long is it going to take for all of you brainwashed moron's to realize that Obama is an empyt suit. He is the fire breathing statue of the Wizard of Oz, and the Middle eastern muslim princes and kings are the People behind the curtin????
They are setting us up for ultimate collapse. Lets hope we can survive.
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#4 Consumer Comment

Hey Steve, Maybe you should read the constitution

AUTHOR: Fishinjunki - (U.S.A.)

First of all, I want to thank you for your service to our country. WE all love you for that, but I just want to state a fact that way too many people, (especially the liberal community) seem to conveniantly forget. The president has NO POWER to declare war, unless we have been attacked, and it is in response to the attack.
Congress is the only ones that can declare war, they did, and then the liberals attack G.W. Bush for going to war. It is true that he said that there were W.M.D.s
but everyone else had the same information, even the U.N. george Bush is not the enemy here, the enemy will make themselves known in due time, hopefully it won't be too late. As far as the war in Iraq and Afganastan, I say let's fight over there rather that on our soil. Let the terrorist familys and friends get killed over there.
Keep the war over there where life is not considered to be as valuable, by us anyway. Thank you for your time, I'm done now.
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#5 Consumer Comment

IT WAS ALL CHANEY AND GEORGE H.W. BUSH RUNNING THINGS. THINK THEY WERE BAD --JUST WAIT!

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

THINGS ARE GOING TO GET ONE HELL OF A LOT WORSE, MY FRIEND.


I FEAR FOR THIS COUNTRY!
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#6 Consumer Comment

Praise Bush!!!

AUTHOR: Inspector - (U.S.A.)

I don't need a reason to attack when I personally lost friends in the WTC. Weapons of mass destruction, who cares! Iraq has been known to harbor terrorists and protect them from capture. And what we DID FIND will not be released to the general public (Need to know). I also don't care who gets rich off the spoils of Iraq, as long as it's America or Americans. We are a war based ecomony and someone always benefits. Don't like it? Then don't live here.

I served in Kosovo, desert storm, and operation Iraqi freedom. It's about time someone stood up for US and let the world know that we will not take it. If we cannot find the real culprits then set an example for those who will protect them.

Take your bleeding heart somewhere else.

A Soldier
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#7 Consumer Comment

Are you sure you are a "true soldier"????

AUTHOR: Lisa Miele - (U.S.A.)

The way I see it, one must ask, are you truly a soldier who served and was proud to do so or are you looking for someone to place some blame for the country's condition?


I simply do not belive that we must place the blame on our once President, you talk about experience, please tell me what experience Obama brings to the table? Other than he can relate with the enemy because he is one of them!!!


I have a father who served, was married to a guy who served and they certainly NEVER took on the attitude that you have. If you served our country and you were glad to do so, then take your check and benefits that you were certainly paid and do all of us a favor who truly love Bush, shut up!!!


Your comments about a wonderful man sicken me and my proud family. As far as public speaking goes, how many wars will that win??? It seems to me that one who can speak well has spent too much time standing in front of the mirror doing so!!!
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#8 Consumer Comment

IT WILL TAKE AT LEAST TWO OR THREE GENERATIONS TO REPAIR THE DAMAGE THAT BOTH BUSHES AND CLINTON HAVE DONE!

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

THE WORST CONTEMPORARY PRESIDENT WE EVER HAD WAS NIXON! THE MAN WAS PURE EVIL...THANK GOD THEY WERE ABLE TO FORCE HIM TO RESIGN! HE WAS MAKING PLANS TO SELL US OUT TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER START THE EXPORTATION OF AMERICAN JOBS TO CHINA.

FORD WAS JUST A FLUNKY --NOT GOOD,NOT BAD ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

JIMMY CARTER MESSED UP OUR NATION'S ECONOMY IN ONE OF THE WORST RECESSIONS EVER --EVEN WORSE THAN THE ONE THAT WAS GOING TO COST KENNEDY HIS SECOND TERM WHICH IS WHY I NEVER COULD UNDERSTAND WHY THE CONSPIRATORS FOUND IT NECESSARY TO ASSASSINATE HIM! CARTER GAVE AWAY OUR PANAMA CANAL TO THE CHINESE CONTINUING THE APPEASEMENT OPLICY OF CHINA AND FACILITATING THE GIVE AWAY OF OUR AMERICAN JOBS TO CHINA ON BEHALF OF THE CORPORATE FASCISTS. CARTER ONLY LASTED ONE TERM BECAUSE HIS HALF-a*s POLICIES HURT SO MANY AMERICANS!

AFTER CARTER'S DEBACLE CAME REAGAN AND FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE, I HAD A JOB THAT LET ME AFFORD A PLACE TO LIVE AND A USED CAR AND HAVE GROCERIES AND I WAS ABLE TO SAVE SOME MONEY. I AM TALKING ABOUT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD THE SIMPLE BASICS! I LOVED REAGAN AND I VOTED FOR HIM TWICE. WHEN HE DIED, I CRIED BECAUSE IT WAS THE FIRST AND ONLY ECONOMIC SECURITY I HAD EVER KNOWN IN MY WORKING LIFE.

THE SLIMEY, IRAN-CONTRA, CIA SNEAK AND CROOK GEORGE H.W. BUSH SLITHERED INTO OFFICE ON THE COATTAILS OF PRESIDENT REAGAN AND HE PROMPTLY ANNOUNCED HIS PLANS TO MAKE US INTO A NEW WORLD ORDER AND 80 PERCENT OF US USELESS EATERS IN THE WORLD WOULD HAVE TO DIE! HE WAS OUTRAGEOUS AND CONTINUED TO SELL AMERICAN JOBS OUT AND GOT NAFTA SET UP. H. ROSS PEROT WAS RIGHT WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT THAT GREAT SUCKING SOUND OF AMERICAN JOBS DISAPPEARING --ONLY BUSH WANTED TO CONTINUE WHERE HIS CRONY AND FRIEND NIXON LEFT OFF. WHEN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE REALIZED WHAT HE WAS ALL ABOUT,THEY THOUGHT IF THEY ELECTED CLINTON, THEY HAD A REAL ALTERNATIVE --BUT THEY DIDN'T AND HERE IS WHY.

WHEN THE CIA WAS USING VARIOUS ARKANSAS AIRPORTS TO FLY IN THE DRUGS THAT THEY SOLD ( IRAN-CONTRA) TO FINANCE THEIR BLACK OPS, WHO WAS THE DIRECTOR OF THE CIA AND WHO WAS THE GOVERNOR OF ARKANAS? BILL CLINTON.

WHO WAS BILL CLINTON'S MOTHER'S BROTHER ALLEGEDLY WORKING FOR --CHECK IT OUT IF YOU DON"T BELIEVE ME. OK, NOW DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT BILL CLINTON WHO WAS ON THE TAKE AND UP FOR ALL SORTS OF CASH CONTRIBUTIONS IS GOING TO REFUSE TO LET THE PLANES LAND IN HIS STATE WITHOUT A CUT OF THE ACTION? SO HOW UNfriendly do you think he is going to be with the CIA AND THE HEAD OF THE CIA. DO ME A FAVOR NOW AND I WILL REMEMBER YOU LATER... THINK ABOUT IT.

CLINTON CREATED A GREAT ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT WITH A LOT OF LIES,SCAMS,SMOKE AND MIRRORS AND SCHEMES. ENRON HAPPENED ON HIS WATCH AND SO DID A LOT OF OVERVALUED AND CROOKED COMPANIES. THE HIGH TECH BUBBLE INFLATED ON HIS WATCH AND THERE WAS A LOT OF SPECULATION AND INVESTMENT WITHOUT ANY ACTUAL CURRENCY OR VALUE BEHIND THE BLUFF AND IT WAS ONLY GOING TO LAST FOR SO LONG AND I THINK THAT CLINTON AND HIS ADVISERS SET IT UP SO THAT WHEN THE BUBBLE FINALLY BURST IT WOULD BURST ON BUSH JR. WHO WAS JUST A FIGUREHEAD FOR THE CONTINUATION OF HIS FATHER'S FAILED REGIME. WE GOT ELECTRONIC VOTING MACHINES FOR POSSIBLE FRAUD WORSE THAN ANYTHING EVER POSSIBLE BEFORE.

COMES IN BUSH JR. WHAT A JOKE. BUSH SENIOR AND CHANEY WERE THE REAL PUPPETMASTERS BEHIND THE SCENES. THERE IS SPECULATION THAT THE 9/11 DISASTER OF THE TWIN TOWERS WAS CREATED MUCH LIKE THE SINKING OF THE MAINE AND THE BOMBING OF PEARL HARBOR WERE PERMITTED IN ORDER TO GET THE AMERICAN PEOPLE UNITED AGAINST SENDING TROOPS INTO THE MIDDLE EAST TO SECURE THE OIL FIELDS AND OIL PRICES FOR BIG OIL ( CHANEY AND BUSHES WERE BIG OIL MEN) AND GET LOTS OF NO BID MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL CONTRACTS FOR HALIBURTON AND BLACKWATER AND A LOT OF OTHER CHANEY CRONIES...LOTS OF AMERICAN SERVICE PEOPLE LOST THEIR LIVES FOR THIS DEBACLE. THE ENTIRE THING WAS HANDLED CLUMSILY AND I SAW THE LIE FROM THE START. IT REEKED OF THE SORT OF BIG, BAD ILLOGICAL LIE THAT COMES FROM A GHETTO CON ARTIST BUT THEY VOTED FOR IT ANYWAY.... AND THE ONLY REASON WE ARE IN AFGHANISTAN --TO CONTROL THE OPIUM POPPY CROP ( THAT IS HEROIN, BOYS AND GIRLS --REMEMBER IRAN CONTRA?)... THE ENTIRE MESS IS SICKENING.

IS OBAMA GOING TO DO ANY GOOD? HIS COMPLECTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. HE IS NO POOR BOY FROM THE GHETTO. HIS MOTHER COMES FROM A RATHER WEALTHY, OLD MONEY FAMILY AND YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED AT WHO SHE IS RELATED TO. HIS FATHER IS AFRICAN ROYALITY. GET THE PICTURE? EVEN THOUGH HE LOOKS AFRICAN AMERICAN, HE IS MORE AFRICAN AND OLD AMERICAN ARISTOCRACY THROUGH AFFINITY, EDUCATION AND SOCIAL STANDING THAN SOME AFRICAN AMERICAN KID WONDERING HOW HE WILL EAT ONE DAY TO THE NEXT, NEVER MIND WHAT HE WILL STUDY IN SCHOOL. HE IS DOING GOOD TO GET BY DAY TO DAY AND JUST SURVIVING. BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIM AND OBAMA.

I THINK THE ONLY TIME OBAMA SAW A GHETTO UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL WAS WHEN HE ORGNIZED VOTERS... HE IS A GOOD MAN AND I WISH HIM WELL BUT HE'S BRINGING A LOT OF CLINTON'S OLD PEOPLE ABOARD AND HOW DIFFERENT WAS CLINTON FROM BUSH I EXCEPT HE WAS PERHAPS A BETTER CON ARTIST.

I LOVE PRESIDENT OBAMA AND I PRAY FOR HIM BECAUSE HE IS GOING TO NEED A MIRACLE TO PULL US OUT OF THE DESCENT INTO HELL THAT THESE OUT OF TOUCH ELITISTS WITH THEIR GAMBLING CRONIES AND INSATIABLE APPETITES TO KEEP GAMBLING ON A LOSING PROPOSITION WITH TAXPAYER DOLLARS --OCCURING ON BOTH BUSHES AND CLINTON'S WATCH GOT US INTO.

I DO NOT HATE BUSH JR. THE WAY I HATED AND DESPISED NIXON --THE EVIL CLOWN. I DESPISE BUSH SR. AND HAVE NOTHING BUT SUSPICION AND DISBELIEF FOR ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING BILL CLINTON HAS TO SAY...

I AM HELLBENT THAT NOT ANOTHER BUSH WILL EVER OCCUPY THE WHITE HOUSE!

I AM PRAYING FOR OBAMA AND I THINK EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY SHOULD JOIN ME. I AM NOT A RELIGIOUS PERSON BUT THIS MAN NEEDS ALL THE HELP HE CAN GET FROM YOU, FROM ME, FROM GOD, FROM EVERYBODY!
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#9 Consumer Comment

Just as other great visionaries we will not know the greatness of George W. Bush for another Generation.

AUTHOR: So-cal - (U.S.A.)

This will be his main title Accomplishment " Singlehandedly brought down Terrorism". When everyone ells p***y'd out.
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Just as other great visionaries we will not know the greatness of George W. Bush for another Generation.

AUTHOR: So-cal - (U.S.A.)

This will be his main title Accomplishment " Singlehandedly brought down Terrorism". When everyone ells p***y'd out.
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#11 Consumer Comment

Like Reading the Comics !

AUTHOR: Daniel B. - (U.S.A.)

To all on this thread. I have never seen such comical comunications between "educated" people.

I give credit to some that have written positive feedback without filthy and hatefull coments. But I see few and far inbetween on this thread that have done so.

I challenge you all to find something positive to write of all of our now living Presidents. For all of them have contributed someting good to this nation. But it seems that some, if not most are bent on negative, non-constructive baby bable, unfounded talk. None of which I see any positive proof given.

Russians allowed to fly over the United States of America for reconasince photos !!!!!---- This kind of stuff would make for good comic book material.

Again I challange you all, especially the ones that say they love reasearch to find real facts, and positive facts.

Most of what I see here is like what one child would say to another. None of which is constructive. And especially the originator of these threads that says he just wants to see what people are thinking or what ever bent reason he?she gives. Get a life. See what you can dream up, such as what are some positive Ideas people have to try to help our struggling economy. See if you can start a thread on how to promote good Ideas to make our Nation a greener nation with new technology. Get off of the name callling baby talk and see what kind of constructive threads you can start unlike this useless thread of hate and mostly false feed back with filthy language in most. Even those that are not using filthy launguage are still being filthy by writing as much as they can to make another person angry and see how he responds to hearsay and unfounded long rebutles.

And yes I do not know grammer very well nor do I know spelliing very well but I have the wisdom to know rubbish and non constructive bable when I see it.

Again my challenge to all is to start a thread of constructive Ideas on how to proceed in the future. On any topic you wish, may it be the military, reduction in green house gasses, how to strenghen the economy etc etc.

Kind Regards to all.
I wish you all a prosperous new year filled with joy and happiness.

Daniel>>>--- From Ooltewah Tennessee
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#12 Consumer Comment

Everyone needs to realize this is so much bigger than anyone even knows

AUTHOR: Concered Citizen - (U.S.A.)

Bush is just a pawn in this game. This practice goes back 40 years. People, we need to change the government. One President does not have that power. Iraq is a central location to a control world oil. Wake up people, we use oil, we need oil. So we got lied too. That happens all the time. Who cares.
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Bush has done nothing for this country

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I can't believe they are people who still defend bush & his failed policys, he has done nothing for the american middle class people or poor people I give him no credit. His friends love people who still support him.


Bush has so many people fooled & he just loves the people who he has fooled well he doesn't have me fooled, people will be voting democrat this year. The republicans got there was to get everyone agaisnt clinton.
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Bush has done nothing for this country

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I can't believe they are people who still defend bush & his failed policys, he has done nothing for the american middle class people or poor people I give him no credit. His friends love people who still support him.


Bush has so many people fooled & he just loves the people who he has fooled well he doesn't have me fooled, people will be voting democrat this year. The republicans got there was to get everyone agaisnt clinton.
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Bush has done nothing for this country

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I can't believe they are people who still defend bush & his failed policys, he has done nothing for the american middle class people or poor people I give him no credit. His friends love people who still support him.


Bush has so many people fooled & he just loves the people who he has fooled well he doesn't have me fooled, people will be voting democrat this year. The republicans got there was to get everyone agaisnt clinton.
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Bush has done nothing for this country

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I can't believe they are people who still defend bush & his failed policys, he has done nothing for the american middle class people or poor people I give him no credit. His friends love people who still support him.


Bush has so many people fooled & he just loves the people who he has fooled well he doesn't have me fooled, people will be voting democrat this year. The republicans got there was to get everyone agaisnt clinton.
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To All of You Who've Hopped Aboard the Bush Bashing Bandwagon

AUTHOR: Jwd5460 - (U.S.A.)

I suppose that it's Bush's fault that your toilet doesn't work, or that you haven't won the lottery, or that maybe you're not living the life you wanted. I'll bet you all can find some reason to blame Bush for just about anything. Did you blame Clinton for Whitewater? For his obvious infidelity? In the Oval office, nonetheless. Everyone one of you should be thankful for Bush's loyalty to this country and for protecting your sorry butts! Clinton has done nothing but to disgrace the office of the president and to have made a mockery of the judicial system. "It depends on what the definition of 'is' is." Are you serious??? Good lord, people. Pull your heads out of your a**. The newly elected Democratic congress's recent approval level is in the single digits!!! Single digits. Pelosi has single-handedly plummeted congress' effectiveness. What has she accomplished?

You know, it's great thing when everyone has the right to say what they want in a FREE country. Freedom is NOT free! And, those men and women that are so bravely putting their lives on the line EVERY day is so that you can voice your opinion and all you do is criticize. If you think you could do a better job, shut your pie holes and run for office. Oh, I'm sorry, that would require a college education. I'm so glad I'm a Republican!!!
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#18 Consumer Comment

Americans have had it with republicans

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Americans have had it with republicans they have destroyed the economy caused innocent people to lose there homes, bush & the republicans are behind the mortage crisis we are facing with today.

Its the rich people who wont to destroy the middle class & poor people & take everything away for us, & make life harder for us. If mccain gets elected its all over for us.

Mccain was born with a sliver spoon in his mouth like bush so they have no idea how it really is, so when mccain gets to be president he will take social security away from seniors & make our life pure hell worse then what bush has done.
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#19 Consumer Comment

Bush Brown Nose

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

Bush is a no good human being. He is dedicated to destroying the US economy as we have it now.

He is the one that is encouriging higher gas prices by sucking up to the Arab Mullahs and literally kissing their behinds.

Every penny hike in the price of gas generates millions to this no good b*****d. Don't forget he is getting ready to retire soon so he is bilking the poor American taxpayer before he leaves office soon. Who do you think paid for Jenna Bush's wedding? "John Q Taxpayer" that's who.

Bush is also a member of the "Skull and Bones" society. They worship Satan via the ancient god "Molech". These people use to sacrifice children as part of their worship service. All F******G Free-Masons. He claims to be a Christian which is a crock of BS.

He not only should be impeached but should be tried for the murder of so many American soldiers and the destruction of so many American Families.

He should be convicted and thrown in jail and be fed "Tossed Salad".

You can ask Chris Rock what that means!

Mike,

Port ST. Lucie Florida.
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#20 Consumer Comment

And awaaaaaaay we go!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"I beleive the term your looking for is representative DEMOCRACY as opposed to direct democracy. Before you shake a stick a people for displaying such ignorance of their country, do a little research."

Ummm, no.We do not live in a Democracy of ANY form. Our Federal Government was purposely set up as a Representative REPUBLIC.

Please follow your own advice.

"The Bush administration is like an iceberg. What you can see doesn't look so bad on the surface. It is what is below the surface and out of sight that will sink the ship. Glug, glug....."

Hey, with the alleged Global Warming(I wish it was so I wouldn't be freezing here), the ice will all melt anyway. Two years from now, one thing will happen out of two.

1-The surveillance will have been stopped, and this country will be attacked again, with many more deaths than the last time.

2-It will still continue, and we will have gone a total of 7 years without incident. BTW, That's 7 more years without incident than we had under Bill Clinton, GHW Bush, Ronald Reagan, James Carter, etc.

Sorry if I don't weep for some scumbag in this country yapping and typing with his KNOWN-TERRORIST-scumbag-buddies in another country as he's being listened to, and aprehended. England just rounded up some more with the help of this program. They based theirs on ours.

Get it?!


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#21 Consumer Comment

In re: Robert, FL posting

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

You are right, Robert....and you are wrong, too. It's the signing statements, stupid! How could you have missed them? There are hundreds of these things!

The bill signed by Bush doesn't change anything as far as the government opening private mail. Bush is too ball-less to not sign these bills, not man enough to publicly say outright that he feels the government has the power to be into every single thing Americans do and refuse to sign them. So, he signs the bills and then quietly issues his "signing statement" undoing what he just signed.

ANYONE can be labeled a terrorist these days. In fact it seems like the government does consider US to be the enemy more every day.

Bush has used signing statements in a manner never before seen in America. President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution.

Here it is; read it.

President's Statement on H.R. 6407, the "Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act"

Today I have signed into law H.R. 6407, the "Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act." The Act is designed to improve the quality of postal service for Americans and to strengthen the free market for delivery services.

The executive branch shall construe sections 3662 and 3663 of title 39, United States Code, as enacted by section 205 of the Act, not to authorize an officer or agency within the executive branch to institute proceedings in Federal court against the Postal Regulatory Commission, which is another part of the executive branch, as is consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and the constitutional limitation of Federal courts to deciding cases or controversies.

The executive branch shall construe subsection 409(h) of title 39, as enacted by section 404 of the Act, which relates to legal representation for an element of the executive branch, in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and to take care that the laws be faithfully executed.

The executive branch shall construe section 407 of title 39, as enacted by section 405 of the Act, in a manner consistent with the President's constitutional authority to conduct the Nation's foreign affairs, including the authority to determine which officers shall negotiate for the United States and toward what objectives, to make treaties by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, and to supervise the unitary executive branch.

The executive branch shall construe subsections 202(a) and 502(a) of title 39, as enacted by subsections 501(a) and 601(a) of the Act, which purport to limit the qualifications of the pool of persons from whom the President may select appointees in a manner that rules out a large portion of those persons best qualified by experience and knowledge to fill the positions, in a manner consistent with the Appointments Clause of the Constitution. The executive branch shall also construe as advisory the purported deadline in subsection 605(c) for the making of an appointment, as is consistent with the Appointments Clause.

The executive branch shall construe subsection 404(c) of title 39, as enacted by subsection 1010(e) of the Act, which provides for opening of an item of a class of mail otherwise sealed against inspection, in a manner consistent, to the maximum extent permissible, with the need to conduct searches in exigent circumstances, such as to protect human life and safety against hazardous materials, and the need for physical searches specifically authorized by law for foreign intelligence collection.

The executive branch shall construe provisions of the Act that call for executive branch officials to submit legislative recommendations to the Congress in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and to recommend for congressional consideration such measures as the President shall judge necessary and expedient. Such provisions include subsection 504(d) and section 2009 of title 39, as amended by section 603 of the Act, and sections 701(a)(2), 702(b), 703(b), 708(b), and 709(b)(2) of the Act.

GEORGE W. BUSH

THE WHITE HOUSE,

December 20, 2006.

Stop listening to what Bush says (he seems pretty vague anyway, as if he isn't entirely sure what words are coming out of his mouth) and start watching what he does. Actions speak louder than words with this man! When will you stop drinking the kool-aid and admit what is going on is bad for America?

The Bush administration is like an iceberg. What you can see doesn't look so bad on the surface. It is what is below the surface and out of sight that will sink the ship. Glug, glug.....
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#22 Consumer Comment

Robert

AUTHOR: Phasil - (U.S.A.)

I beleive the term your looking for is representative DEMOCRACY as opposed to direct democracy. Before you shake a stick a people for displaying such ignorance of their country, do a little research.
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#23 Consumer Comment

Please name one good thing bush has done

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Please, name one good thing bush & the republicans have done for this country! I can tell you they have done nothing for this country accept cause hardships, for the middle class & poor people. I, am curious to how many bush fans will tell one good thing bush has done, because this question has been asked many times, before but they will not say anything bush & the republicans have not done anything for us!.
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#24 Consumer Comment

Please name one good thing bush has done

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Please, name one good thing bush & the republicans have done for this country! I can tell you they have done nothing for this country accept cause hardships, for the middle class & poor people. I, am curious to how many bush fans will tell one good thing bush has done, because this question has been asked many times, before but they will not say anything bush & the republicans have not done anything for us!.
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#25 Consumer Comment

Please name one good thing bush has done

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Please, name one good thing bush & the republicans have done for this country! I can tell you they have done nothing for this country accept cause hardships, for the middle class & poor people. I, am curious to how many bush fans will tell one good thing bush has done, because this question has been asked many times, before but they will not say anything bush & the republicans have not done anything for us!.
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#26 Consumer Comment

The press is simply following their own rules

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

If it makes Bush look bad, run the story. If it makes him look good, squash the story.

This is another example of this...nothing else. The media convinced the American public, that Bush was the ONLY President to wiretap international calls in/out of this Country. In reality, it was one of their favorite Presidents who began this program...James Earl Carter. Yep, the WORST President in our history, started that program. The "letter opening" part is just another part of that original program, started by Jimmy Carter. BOTH of these programs were in fact, ESCALATED by the media's other darling...William Jefferson Blythe Clinton. He even added emails to the list of things to search. Do you remember any of that being reported? No? Gee...I wonder why?

Now, what part do you not understand?
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#27 Consumer Comment

Hello Patrick

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Thank you for your insight! However, this is a bill that has yet to be passed! I saw one story about it on the news, I don't remember what network, and then it was silenced rather quickly.

This bill basically says that if the government "suspects" you have ties to terrorists they will open your mail without a warrant.

Sorry, I don't trust our government enough to believe that they will do this ONLY with people who have ties to terrorists!
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#28 Consumer Comment

Sensationalism at it's best!

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

Lori,

I must admit, your bold statements really caught my attention. I immediately had to Google the phrase "government opening your mail" to find out what this was all about as I had not heard a peep about it on the news.

And it's a good thing I did too as I was able to find out what this was really all about. The law that President Bush signed last Dec 20th did nothing to change the government's authority to open private mail.

All the hubbub was about his signing statement, which basically reitterated that the government still has the right to open private mail under "emergency circumstances" (suspicious packages, envelopes with powder residue, ticking time bombs (LOL!), etc). The President's words were "exigant circumstances".

Seems the world press is trying to jump on that saying Bush is openly declaring he can open your mail whenever he wants. This simply is not true. We have lost no freedoms on this day.

Please read up on the facts before posting such nonsense in the future.

Do not take this as my being a Bush fan. I am far from it. I support some issues, but not many. I am simply stating facts here.
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#29 Consumer Comment

What's next?

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Now this idiot is going to change postal regulations to allow the government to open and read your mail, again without a warrant.

One more of your rights flushed down the toilet courtesy of the Bush Adminstration!
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#30 Consumer Comment

bush fans are the only was who can "insult" & call people names but nobody else!

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Robert

Of, course you or any of the other bush fans will not admit to any name calling I only do to people what they do to me!, I was not the first to start the name calling on this tread!. It, seems like the bush fans are the only was who can "insult" & call people names but nobody else!. But, if people do it back to them the bush fans blame everyone else when people don't agree with them or support bush!.
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#31 Consumer Comment

Why is it?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Why is it that anyone who has anything intelligent to say, is "insulting" you, Charles?

Show me the "insult".

Keep in mind...in ALL of the threads where you chose to join in, YOU were the first to do any actual name calling.
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#32 Consumer Comment

Robert

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Robert, people are not listening to your insults you have nothing better to do then bad mouth democrats!, just like all the other bush fans!. Its, funny sense the democrats won everything hannity & all the other bush fans & arnold have stop with their insulting the democrat party, & bad mouthing the democrats!.
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#33 Consumer Comment

Robert

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Robert, people are not listening to your insults you have nothing better to do then bad mouth democrats!, just like all the other bush fans!. Its, funny sense the democrats won everything hannity & all the other bush fans & arnold have stop with their insulting the democrat party, & bad mouthing the democrats!.
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#34 Consumer Comment

Robert

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Robert, people are not listening to your insults you have nothing better to do then bad mouth democrats!, just like all the other bush fans!. Its, funny sense the democrats won everything hannity & all the other bush fans & arnold have stop with their insulting the democrat party, & bad mouthing the democrats!.
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#35 Consumer Comment

Robert

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Robert, people are not listening to your insults you have nothing better to do then bad mouth democrats!, just like all the other bush fans!. Its, funny sense the democrats won everything hannity & all the other bush fans & arnold have stop with their insulting the democrat party, & bad mouthing the democrats!.
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#36 Consumer Comment

Please increase your meds, Charles

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Nobody has asked you to leave the country.

Bush wasn't running this past election.

Nobody has violated your civil rights.

Nobody said you cannot vote for Democraps.

The midterm election results were normal, as the average has been almost 30 seats changing from one party to the other since FDR was in office. In fact, the greatest number of seats lost was during FDR's second term. He then went on to win re-election as President two more times. So much for the claim that midterm turnovers say anything about the President.

BTW, if you look at the list of who won what, it pretty much did not matter what party you were associated with. Dems were booted out just as often as Reps were. Just about every incumbent who had to run a real campaign, was replaced, or won by a tiny margin...Rep, or Dem.

People are just plain tired of all of them.
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#37 Consumer Comment

Please increase your meds, Charles

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Nobody has asked you to leave the country.

Bush wasn't running this past election.

Nobody has violated your civil rights.

Nobody said you cannot vote for Democraps.

The midterm election results were normal, as the average has been almost 30 seats changing from one party to the other since FDR was in office. In fact, the greatest number of seats lost was during FDR's second term. He then went on to win re-election as President two more times. So much for the claim that midterm turnovers say anything about the President.

BTW, if you look at the list of who won what, it pretty much did not matter what party you were associated with. Dems were booted out just as often as Reps were. Just about every incumbent who had to run a real campaign, was replaced, or won by a tiny margin...Rep, or Dem.

People are just plain tired of all of them.
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#38 Consumer Comment

Please increase your meds, Charles

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Nobody has asked you to leave the country.

Bush wasn't running this past election.

Nobody has violated your civil rights.

Nobody said you cannot vote for Democraps.

The midterm election results were normal, as the average has been almost 30 seats changing from one party to the other since FDR was in office. In fact, the greatest number of seats lost was during FDR's second term. He then went on to win re-election as President two more times. So much for the claim that midterm turnovers say anything about the President.

BTW, if you look at the list of who won what, it pretty much did not matter what party you were associated with. Dems were booted out just as often as Reps were. Just about every incumbent who had to run a real campaign, was replaced, or won by a tiny margin...Rep, or Dem.

People are just plain tired of all of them.
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#39 Consumer Comment

I was born in the united states & I will not leave

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I, was born in the united states & I will not leave I was born free & these bush fans have no right to tell me to get out of this country, cause I have a right to vote for who I please. Bush fans, don't like it when we tell them not to vote for bush they do not have the right to tell us what to do, & we showed the bush fans this last election they are not telling us what to do!. For, 12 years the republicans have been trying to get rid of the democrats but it has back fired, all the republicans where trying to do was pay back the democrats. I, will not leave the united states I was born here! I respect that people wanna vote for bush but please, do not tell us that we cannot vote for democrat, that is a direct violation of our civil rights!, we all have rights to vote who we chose!. Well, if bush fans don't respect who we wanna vote for well we will not respect their wishes or support bush nor the republicans!, good day!.
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#40 Consumer Comment

Time for the dictionary again

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

American Heritage Dictionary
neo- pref.
New; recent: Neolithic.

New and different: neoimpressionism.
New and abnormal: neoplasm.
New World: Neotropical.

[Greek, from neos, new. See newo- in Indo-European Roots.]

I have always been a Conservative, so calling me a "neo-con" is way off the mark. I don't really expect much accuracy from you though.

You would probably be shocked by my voting record, Ben. I voted for Reagan twice. I voted for Bush Sr the 1st time, and Bush Jr the 2nd time. All other votes have been for the Libertarian candidates. Surprised? Don't be.

I think everyone should be allowed to be as stupid as they want, just don't expect me to want to pay for it.

BTW...I LOVE gridlock! I always vote for the candidate who promises to do the least to(for) me. I am going to be in hog-heaven for the next two years. Let the good times begin.

As an aside, I fully expect the dems to escalate the War on Terrorism. Rep Rangle wants to bring back the draft, and history shows a huge escalation of troop involvement when Dems run things.

Have fun in California, Ben. I know I will be loving it over on this side of the Country.

P.S.-You forgot to wish me a Happy 231st B-Day on the 10th.
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#41 Consumer Comment

What did we get the last 6 years?

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

"With the Dems holding control of both houses, there will be NOTHING done to the 300 million Citizens for the next two years" - Robert


This is about the only time you have ever been right Robert. But the reason will be Bush's inability to see shades of grey. Even his own party is getting sick of him but he is the only representative of the Republicans in a point of control. So yes, we will get nothing done because of partisan bickering. Partisan bickering that BUSH fostered into a frenzy over these last 6 years. Partisan bickering that people like YOU fostered over the last 6 years acting like you had 101% of the vote just because you were "in office". Totally forgetting that you BARELY scraped by to take those positions. Yup, we will go nowhere now that Bush and the neo-cons like yourself were such "Uniters". The country is more polorized than ever thanks to you fringe idiots.

But one has to ask....

Just what have the Republicans DONE in the last 6 years when they DID have control?


NOTHING.

Oh ya, they "found" WMD's in Iraq. HAHA!! Ya, sure. We got a war. How freaking productive. And lets not forget the "big" issues like banning gay marrage. Ooooooo....theres an biggie. Oh, and there was that $300 check we all got to get rid of that nasty nasty budget surplus. d**n those nasty surpluses.
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#42 Consumer Comment

What did we get the last 6 years?

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

"With the Dems holding control of both houses, there will be NOTHING done to the 300 million Citizens for the next two years" - Robert


This is about the only time you have ever been right Robert. But the reason will be Bush's inability to see shades of grey. Even his own party is getting sick of him but he is the only representative of the Republicans in a point of control. So yes, we will get nothing done because of partisan bickering. Partisan bickering that BUSH fostered into a frenzy over these last 6 years. Partisan bickering that people like YOU fostered over the last 6 years acting like you had 101% of the vote just because you were "in office". Totally forgetting that you BARELY scraped by to take those positions. Yup, we will go nowhere now that Bush and the neo-cons like yourself were such "Uniters". The country is more polorized than ever thanks to you fringe idiots.

But one has to ask....

Just what have the Republicans DONE in the last 6 years when they DID have control?


NOTHING.

Oh ya, they "found" WMD's in Iraq. HAHA!! Ya, sure. We got a war. How freaking productive. And lets not forget the "big" issues like banning gay marrage. Ooooooo....theres an biggie. Oh, and there was that $300 check we all got to get rid of that nasty nasty budget surplus. d**n those nasty surpluses.
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#43 Consumer Comment

Amen Robert

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

All the insane whining over an election that happened six years ago just tells me that people are bored. You can't change the results so deal with it. You have GOT have something better to do with your lives. If not, get a hobby or a pet. You have bitterness and resentment and all that energy should be taken out on a weight pile instead of a sitting president. Better yet, get a girlfriend. Or a boyfriend, which is more than likely the case. Anyway, to Robert, thank you as I am a 22 year veteran of the military. Cheers!!
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#44 Consumer Comment

Amen Robert

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

All the insane whining over an election that happened six years ago just tells me that people are bored. You can't change the results so deal with it. You have GOT have something better to do with your lives. If not, get a hobby or a pet. You have bitterness and resentment and all that energy should be taken out on a weight pile instead of a sitting president. Better yet, get a girlfriend. Or a boyfriend, which is more than likely the case. Anyway, to Robert, thank you as I am a 22 year veteran of the military. Cheers!!
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#45 Consumer Comment

This could be the best two years of our lives

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

With the Dems holding control of both houses, there will be NOTHING done to the 300 million Citizens for the next two years.

There will be 536 idiots in DC fighting amongst themselves, and they will forget all about the rest of us.

Call it gridlock if you want. I call it freedom.

Happy Birthday Marines! You too, Navy.

Thank you too all vets, and active duty.
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#46 Consumer Comment

Yea Democraps!

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

"America, has spoken democrats are In power & I am proud to have voted democrat! after a year of enduring all the insult bush fans sling @ us, the democrats still won & is controlling congress & this has end the republicans of power!.

Charles - Phenix City, Alabama"


Yeah, and the first thing I noticed the day after the elections was that gas rose 2 a gallon. This was the first time gas prices have gone up since they started plummeting a few months ago. Way to go Democraps!

By the way, I should say that I support neither the Democratic or Republican party lines. Both are corrupt to the core, and neither are doing anything good for the people of this country.

One day America will wake up and realize that these two parties are only looking out for themselves, and the major companies that support them. What we need is an Independent in the White House that will not take crap from either party, or cow-tow to big business. Until then, we are in for a world of hurt. And God help us if Hillary ever becomes President!
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#47 Consumer Comment

America has spoken

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

America, has spoken democrats are In power & I am proud to have voted democrat! after a year of enduring all the insult bush fans sling @ us, the democrats still won & is controlling congress & this has end the republicans of power!.
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#48 Consumer Comment

Please learn to read, Lori

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Show me the statement made by ME, that disrespected your city. That idiocy came from another nonreader, and self admitted scammer/liar...Ben.

I get my WMD info from the Iraqi and US Governments.

And Koresh didn't kill the women and children. I watched the scene play out as it happened. The FBI drove a tank into the building, and the people running for cover were shot from the front, not the rear. Koresh was in the rear. The FBI was in front of them. The snipers were reprimanded afterward, just like at Ruby Ridge...another great escapade brought to you by the Clinton Administration.

That group of thugs, and hooligans sure knew how to fight against US citizens. Too bad they didn't understand how to fight against the terrorists.

As for the war? I'd have sent every B-52 in the arsenal over and obliterated the country(s) that harbored terrorists. Trying to be "politically correct" is what is costing lives. Look at Iran, and North Korea. Guess where we'll be next?

When they both go nuclear and start killing everyone, I'll join you in condemning Bush. He should go ahead and give them both all the nuclear weapons they can handle...from Ohio Class submarines off their coasts.

In the meantime, post the statement that I made that disses your city. You cannot, and will not, because it is not there. Never happened, nope.
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#49 Consumer Comment

Oh Brother!

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

First of all, Robert said, "Anyone who thinks Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism, is either a fool, or trying to work up to that status." Well Robbie, it was the very idiot you are defending on here that said it!!! I heard those very words come right out of his mouth during one of his press conferences, not to mention that during the same conference, Bush also said that no WMDs were found! That came from the President himself so Robbie, just exactly where do you get your facts from?

David Koresh killed no one? Since when? Boy do you need to get your facts straight! Autopsies showed that all women and children where shot in the head PRYOR to the FBI invading, by Koresh!!

Go ahead and diss my city all you want sheep boy, everyone here has more class in their pinkie toes than you could ever dream of! Just keep on believing what our government tells you but don't come whining to me when you have no more rights!!! That's all part of the Bush family plan AKA New World Order!

As for Ben, you rock dude! But, you and I both know that arguing with Robbie Pooh is pointless because he is always right, even when he is dead wrong!! I don't think he ever reads anyone's comments in their entirety, he twists everything, and puts words in peoples mouths! What a sad little man!

How do you know George Bush is lying? His lips are moving!
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#50 Consumer Comment

Ah the Robert logic continues.......

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Ok lets do it Roberts way......

ONE - You say "One-Oklahoma City is not MY City, nor is it yours, Ben. The term "in your City" refers ONLY to the city in which that other individual lives. I don't live in OK City,Ok, so obviously it would NOT refer to my City. Try to keep up." No Robert you try to keep up...with your own BS. I cracked on you about how you attack people by where they live. Lets not twist this like you always do into something else. You saw a person lived in OK....you attacked by dissing his town....period. Your a worm.

NEED ANOTHER EXAMPLE? Lets just look at another comment you make in the same post a little later....."I see another guy raised in California has decided to help the terrorists."

YUP! You never change Robert. You have to drag in where a person lives and make general assumptions about EVERYONE that lives there. You dissed me since I lived in CA before, you dissed a guy from OK, now you diss again about CA.

Face the facts Robert...your once again trying to avoid the stupidity of your past comments about the ONLY HOME-GROWN TERRORIST IN 40 YEARS.....which has been proven...BUNK! Diss where I live or anyone else all you want. Once again....your facts are wrong. No matter where I live or anyone else.

TWO - I showed you an ARTICLE written in 1963 ABOUT the blacklisting happening in the 50's that included my grandfather. You, as usual, tried to twist it around by saying that my grandfather was "blacklisted in 1963 which was after McCarthy died...blah blah blah". You have never answerd for that and continue to ignore it. Deal with it Robert...it was an article. The facts stand. Yes, once again, your math sucks, and so does your ability to read dates.

THREE - "Tell me again how Islam is not part of the curriculum out there." GEE WIZ!! Robert I thought you have been saying for near a year now that I PUT THOSE WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH! HAHA! Well thanks Robert for proving once again.....you fueled that whole argument by bringing up that there is some BS evil lurking in the CA school system. Please once again Robert show me what you and Vera have as.......PROOF!!! Please its been over a year now. Show us or shut up. Just because one shmuck kid that happened to be from CA falls into the Taliban, suddenly your going to say that the entire freaking state of CA is a haven for muslim extreamists with the school system fueling it??? Get real!

FOUR - "The other guys you named are meaningless to this debate. Koresh killed noone. The FBI did. There is no law anywhere that stated he could not own weapons, or ammo. Rudolf would hardly be considered a terrorist." --Robert

Your a hidious and evil person Robert. Meaningless??? Koresh killed noone???? The FBI did??? Koresh stockpiled weapons against several state and federal laws. The warrent issued was legal. KORESH BROKE THE LAW. Because of his zealotry. Because of his evil. Because of his disrgard for the law he put those people in that position and he let them DIE. Your disgusting Robert.

As for Rudolf, your even more disgusting. The reason those 2 people that did die mean nothing to you, along with those he maimed is because of your evil. How low can you go. How can you not say someone that sets up and bombs innocent people is NOT a terrorist.

Oh wait, I forgot, anyone that does things Robert likes....is NOT a terrorist in his eyes.

Robert logic.......

Muslim that bombs things = terrorist
Christian that bombs things = hero

Real logic......

They are all terrorists! (and they have been around in the last 40 years!!)
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#51 Consumer Comment

Ben is back for more abuse

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

One-Oklahoma City is not MY City, nor is it yours, Ben. The term "in your City" refers ONLY to the city in which that other individual lives. I don't live in OK City,Ok, so obviously it would NOT refer to my City. Try to keep up.

Two-My math is fine. Show me where I ever said 1963 came before 1958. YOU decided that Senator McCarthy was on the House UnAmerican Activities Committe, and blacklisted your Grandfather. You also decided he was blacklisted by the Senator AFTER he died. YOUR math skills are the issue, as is your grasp on the space/time continuum. Of course, when one takes into account that you lie like a bad rug, your blathering holds little meaning. Have you found out where you live yet?

Three-I see another guy raised in California has decided to help the terrorists. The 1st was Johnny Walker Lindh. He was with the Taliban. The latest is another shining example of your State Government School system. He's been officially charged with treason, and is known as the American AlQueda. Tell me again how Islam is not part of the curriculum out there. o far both scumbags have come from YOUR State. Not mine, and not from Oklahoma.

Four-The other guys you named are meaningless to this debate. Koresh killed noone. The FBI did. There is no law anywhere that stated he could not own weapons, or ammo. Rudolf would hardly be considered a terrorist. It's nice that you try to put a guy who managed to kill two and injure 120, in the same category as someone who killed 168 and injured scores more, along with the destruction of a large building. NOBODY else has ever attempted that. Only you, Ben. Nice try.

Five-You're still just as lame as before. Please get some new material. Your act is stale.
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#52 Consumer Comment

More Robert-Logic.......it never ends.....

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

"Perhaps if this program had been followed a bit closer, the Federal Building in your City wouldn't have been obliterated, by the ONLY NON-MUSLIM TERRORIST in 40 years."

I love that "in your City". Always attacking the place the person lives. As if dissing peoples homes justifies his remarks. Makes you wonder if Robert thinks Jacksonville FL is the only city in the US. The rest of us are non-US citizens?

Hmmm lets see....

Robert here is talking about.....

Timothy McVeigh - Conservative, terrorist, blew up a federal building.

Of course he says this is the ONLY non-Muslim terrorist. Ya right!

Eric Robert Rudolf - Conservative, terrorist, religious nut(Christian), blew up planned parenthood centers, and set a bomb off at the Olympics in Atlanta.

David Koresh - Conservative, terrorist, religious nut (Christian...hmmm I see a pattern forming!), stockpiled illegal weapons, had standoff for months against the FBI, burned 83 people to death including 21 children.

KKK - Conservative, terrorist organization, religious nuts(Christian) responsible for murder, arson, bombings, intimidation, racketering, extortion for over 100 years.

Aryan Nation - Conservative, terrorist organization, religious nuts (Christian) responsible for murder, arson, bombings, intimidation, racketering, extortion for over 25 years.

George W. Bush - Conservative, terrorist, religious nut (Christian), responsible for destroying the separation between church and state, waging war against countries without proper approval and complete disregard for international obligations, death of over 300,000 civilians in the last 5 years.

Once again your sense of time is somewhere in the ozone. Better check your basic math again. We have had "home-grown-terrorists" since this country was founded. On both sides of the political spectrum. Bush Co. just made some of them legitimate......in thier eyes, and obviously yours. Since you seem to "forget" these few examples (VERY few!!!!)....that fall well in the LAST 40 YEARS!!

And if you want to have a b***h fest over "conservative" vs. "liberal" homegrown terrorists to try and defend your outrageous conservative stance......

.....I'll put my money on the liberal nut job terrorists for doing far FAR less than these conservative ones. I'd like to see you try and prove that more people have died from the Unabomber, from the SUV burnings at car dealerships, and deaths from tree-spiking treehuggers, than all of Rudolfs bombings, the Oklahoma city bombing, murders by the KKK, snipers that kill doctors from PP clinics, murders by the Aryan Nation, and the deaths of all the civilians in Iraq due to a war that never needed to happen. And lets not forget that JUST about EVERY "conservative" terrorist touts their religion (Christain) as a major reason for thier actions. I challenge you to find a bunch of "liberal" ones that use religion (of ANY TYPE!) as their battle cry. Let us not forget that all the MUSLIM terrorists fall into "CONSERVATIVE-EXTREMIST" as well.

I dare you to call the Taliban "liberal". Go ahead Robert....PLEASE!!! I dare you! =D
That would be a great joke headline "Muslim liberal extremism sweeps the Middle East!!!". Ya sure Robert....I know right now your trying to formulate a way to say thats whats "really" happening there now. Sure. Right. Whatever.

Good luck. I know math is not your strong point. As for your ability to handle dates, well, we have all known, thats completely hosed.

And let us not forget that now, more of our service men and women have died than the total from 9/11. And we havent even come close to the tip of the iceberg. (Cause: GWB...conservative, terrorist, religious {Christian} nut!)

Tally up BOY! You have alot of conservatives to count! And thats 40 (forty....after 39 before 41...BEFORE 41...let us not forget how you thought 1963 came before 1958 once) years.
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AUTHOR: John P. - (U.S.A.)

OK, I have to throw in my two-cents-worth, not that it matters!

Somebody said to prove that Muslim is a peaceful religion and I think I can do that in a round-about-way.

OK Lori can you keep an open mind?

The Muslim religion is peaceful and the original form was revolutionary in its message of peace and religious tolerance. You see back in the days of the Prophet Muhammad, he was upset that the locals would not allow him and his followers to worship at a particular place.

So there was a huge fight and Muhammad won and he and his followers entered the city as conquerors. Now what happened next had never occurred before in the history of warfare. When they entered the city, Muhammad and his followers did not rape, pillage, and kill the residences. That had never happened before!

The city they entered is called Mecca!

Now I believe that you are saying that a particular form or branch of the Muslim faith is violent. This is similar to certain branches of Christian faiths that are very violent!

I will spare the readers of the details but you should be aware that the Royalty of Saudi Arabia practice Wahhabism which is a radical form of the Muslim Faith. Osama bin Laden was raised under Wahhabism.

(Salafism is the preferred term for Wahhabism and not all Muslims practice this form.)

Wahhabi can be traced to the Muslim Brotherhood, which is where so many Muslim terrorist groups can be traced back to. Again, I will spare you and the readers of this post all the details!

To the readers and Lori, fringe Christians are more violent than Fringe Muslims and recent history proves this just consider abortion clinic bombings and sniper executions of a Doctor. Consider our countries illegal invasion of Iraq by our very religious President. Heck, look at history and consider the Crusades and let us not forget the Inquisition!

As far as comments by Robert, I do believe that Robert should study our Constitution and study the concept of International Law.

Sorry folks and sorry Robert, United States treaties with foreign governments and the U.N. become law of our land. The Iraqi invasion violates international agreements and violates our constitution!

President Bush admits that there were no weapons of mass destruction. His statement that Iraq was a threat is false and misleading. He only says that because our own Constitution reads to the affect that there must be a threat!

So you see Robert, it is in our Constitution. The Constitution and the War Powers act place strict limits on a US President!

The Geneva Convention was signed by our Government and it is the law of our land!

The U.N. Charter and agreements were signed by our Government and it is the law of our land!

In it a sad commentary that we the American voters, have such a short memory for if there were to be another major Terrorist attack in this county, we would forget everything and keep the Republicans in power. If there was another Terrorist attack, we the voters would give up more rights!

In the name of Freedom we are too blind, dumb and stupid to see our freedoms slipping away!

In the name of freedom we have become slaves to freedom and thus we no longer are worthy of such a great gift!

In the name of Freedom our leaders send our sons and daughters off to a foreign land to die and nobody asked if our leader's children would be sent to join the great slaughter!

In the name of Freedom we war for Freedoms sake and nobody is left to ask why so many must die for something that we no longer have!
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#54 Consumer Comment

Sorry James, you are wrong as always

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Nobody can defame another person. A person's own actions and words do that. A person of good character will always rise above the fray.

If you are being dragged through the mud, it's because you jumped into it head first and started wallowing.
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#55 Consumer Comment

Robert-Florida

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

Robert Bush,

I am sick of you idiot people who defend Bush and his policies. You can drag my name through the mud, I don't care. I don't care who thinks what about me!!!!!! I speak my mind and speak the truth, whether people like you like what I say or not.

Bush is a very crooked, corrupt, and dangerous man and needs to be relieved of his duty of President of the United States. The Democrats will prevail in the next Presidential race and Hillary Clinton will be our new President!
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#56 Consumer Comment

Maybe I goofed on this part...

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"We do not need UN approval to do anything. Find a Library, and find "The USA needs UN approval" in the Constitution. It's not there. For proof of this, read the following:

"I beg people to help stop this..."

Either some fancy editing was done, or I goofed on my own.

The "For proof of this, read the following:" part refered to the mental state of James.

I hope that clears it up.
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#57 Consumer Comment

Hey Jim Stop showing your stupidity

AUTHOR: Dave - (U.S.A.)

Jim sounds like he knows everything about Iraq. (Probably doesn't know where in the world it is) What do you call a person who gassed thousands of innocent men, women, and children? What do you call a person who placed human beings in a room with no way our and turned the wild dogs loose on them? What do you call a person who allowed his armies to rape children and their mothers? I know Jim. I was there for 18 months ans seen his work first hand. It's putred, pathetic, @#$#$ like you that make me sick. You talk the big talk but upon looking into your history here on the report I can see that you love to start topics and then twist things with your lies and fabrications. Contraversy at Sunmount, Duncan Doughnuts, with very young girls, etc etc.
Let me make a suggestion for you.

If you don't like this country or what it's doing move from Mill St and try downtown Bagdad. Stop spunging off your father and try getting a life.
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#58 Consumer Comment

Where to begin...I think with James

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

We do not need UN approval to do anything. Find a Library, and find "The USA needs UN approval" in the Constitution. It's not there. For proof of this, read the following:

"I beg people to help stop this, I am American and I find this offensive. I say ALL countries should be allowed to protect themselves, so yes, they should be allowed Nuclear weapons. I also say if the United States were to give up nukes, than No country should have nukes. Hey if there was a small girl that was being bullied by a big teenager with brass knuckles, I would hope that the young girl had a chance to have a brass knuckle too!"

I think that statement sums it all up.

Lori, it does not say we have no rights in the event of war. Some things are called "Common Sense". It's also common sense, that some people want to blow up airplanes, or fly them into buildings. This is why people get searched, BY THE FEDS, prior to boarding a PRIVATELY OWNED commercial aircraft. The FEDS are interfering with the business of a private company. That's not in the US Constitution either. Neither is searching a person who wants to ride on that PRIVATELY OWNED commercial aircraft. Again, this is known as "Common Sense".

We are in Iraq because Iraq DID have WMD's. They have been found. I'd call 500 artillery shells filled with Mustard and Sarin WMD's. So do both Governments...ours, and Iraq's. The only people trying to dispute that FACT, are the Lefties. The Iraqis who were involved in the programs don't deny it. Their leaders don't deny it. Hussein himself doesn't deny it.

Iraq was also involved in terrorism. Hussein paid $25K to the families of homicide bombers. AlQuaida members/leaders were in Iraqi hospitals when we went in. Remember AlZarkawi(sp?)? He was in a Baghdad Hospital when Hussein ran away. Iraq had training camps set up in the desert. Anyone who thinks Iraq had nothing to do with terrorism, is either a fool, or trying to work up to that status.

Iraq is just one front in the War on Terror. Afghanistan is another. So is Lebanon.

Why spy without a warrant? Are you serious? Who spies WITH a warrant. That sort of eliminates the whole SPY theory doesn't it? As for the program you are referring to, it's NOT spying. It's taking random words, and patterns of speech, and connecting the dots. So far, NOBODY has even asserted the person INSIDE the US is even a US Citizen. Get it? The terrorist outside the US, is talking to a terrorist INSIDE the US. Perhaps if this program had been followed a bit closer, the Federal Building in your City wouldn't have been obliterated, by the ONLY NON-MUSLIM TERRORIST in 40 years.

What rights of yours have been violated. Name it. Tell us what phone call you made, or recieved, that was intercepted for speech patterns, with a KNOWN terrorist OUTSIDE the US. It didn't happen? Oh. Then your rights have not been violated.

As for that idiot Judge in Michigan. Here's the reality of her situation. She is a low level Federal Judge, in the only place on the planet with the 2nd highest population of Arabs outside the Middle East. She also just happens to be on the Board of the ACLU. The same ACLU that brought the lawsuit that she amazingly found in favor of in regards to this issue. Can you say "CONFLICT OF INTEREST"? Her idiocy is well known, and The only reason she has a job at all, is because Federal Judges are appointed for life. THAT should be changed. We still have to deal with tards like her, and others, who were the result of a horrific 4 year term by Jimmy Carter.

Yep, the same Jimmy Carter who just flew up to NY to greet the former Dictator of Iran. The same Iran that invaded US soil(Embassy), and has one of those terrorists as their current Dictator. The same Jimmy Carter who never met a Dictator he didn't like...as long as that same Dictator hated the US. Nobody else went to meet, nor greet him...just Jimmy Carter. The same Jimmy Carter who started the program you don't approve of.

Get it?
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#59 Consumer Comment

George Bush- Thinks he's GOD!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

To All People!

George Walker Bush thinks he is god because he is President of the United States. He is considered the worst President in USA history. He invaded a sovereign nation, killed the Presidents two sons, removed the President of that country from power and held him in prison.

The USA doesn't have the right to invade countries without U.N. approval but they did. The United States seems to be taking over the world, sh*t, I guess we will own the world soon.

I beg people to help stop this, I am American and I find this offensive. I say ALL countries should be allowed to protect themselves, so yes, they should be allowed Nuclear weapons. I also say if the United States were to give up nukes, than No country should have nukes. Hey if there was a small girl that was being bullied by a big teenager with brass knuckles, I would hope that the young girl had a chance to have a brass knuckle too!
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#60 Consumer Comment

Robert, you do make some valid points but...

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Show me anywhere in the Constitution that says our rights are thrown out the window because we are at war; and please explain to me exactly why we are in this so called war with Iraq anyway. The WMD argument is moot since our lovely government has already admitted that all that was a big intelligence mix up. Not to mention that Bush himself, during his last press conference, admitted that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 and that Sodamn Insane had no ties to Al Qaida. So, exactly why are we there? Maybe if we hadn't attacked Iraq and put all our military there into finding Osama Yo'mama we would have caught the real threat to our country by now. How hard could it possibly be to find that bearded freak? He has to have dialysis, just look for the cave with a massive power supply!

Why spy without a warrant? What does the government have to hide? I don't know of any Judge that wouldn't sign a warrant for spying on known terrorists and their buddies. No, I don't approve of any elected officials violating our rights, including Clinton!

Your comments on the Muslim religion hit the nail right on the head! They claim to be such a peaceful religion, I say, "Oh yeah, PROVE IT!!"



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#61 Consumer Comment

You really shoud quit while you're behind.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

You are partly correct, Charles

"Robert needs to look @ himself before he judges other people because after hearing a years worth of his mudslinging, & instant attacks on everyone who has different opinion then us who he blast all the time."

Again, as has been pointed out many times, YOU are the first one to attack anyone in these threads about Government. YOU, Charles, NOBODY else.

That being said...

"people need to be educated before they vote for republicans!."

I guess that means uneducated people vote for Democrats.

You really shoud quit while you're behind.
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#62 Consumer Comment

You really shoud quit while you're behind.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

You are partly correct, Charles

"Robert needs to look @ himself before he judges other people because after hearing a years worth of his mudslinging, & instant attacks on everyone who has different opinion then us who he blast all the time."

Again, as has been pointed out many times, YOU are the first one to attack anyone in these threads about Government. YOU, Charles, NOBODY else.

That being said...

"people need to be educated before they vote for republicans!."

I guess that means uneducated people vote for Democrats.

You really shoud quit while you're behind.
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#63 Consumer Comment

You really shoud quit while you're behind.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

You are partly correct, Charles

"Robert needs to look @ himself before he judges other people because after hearing a years worth of his mudslinging, & instant attacks on everyone who has different opinion then us who he blast all the time."

Again, as has been pointed out many times, YOU are the first one to attack anyone in these threads about Government. YOU, Charles, NOBODY else.

That being said...

"people need to be educated before they vote for republicans!."

I guess that means uneducated people vote for Democrats.

You really shoud quit while you're behind.
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#64 Consumer Comment

You really shoud quit while you're behind.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

You are partly correct, Charles

"Robert needs to look @ himself before he judges other people because after hearing a years worth of his mudslinging, & instant attacks on everyone who has different opinion then us who he blast all the time."

Again, as has been pointed out many times, YOU are the first one to attack anyone in these threads about Government. YOU, Charles, NOBODY else.

That being said...

"people need to be educated before they vote for republicans!."

I guess that means uneducated people vote for Democrats.

You really shoud quit while you're behind.
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#65 Consumer Comment

Charles, Who did you vote for?

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Charles-

You are right. The democrats are the best thing going.

Nancy Pelosi basically said in her Time Magazine Interview that to hell with you we are stopping any program that the Republicans are tryng to start whether it is good for Americans or not. she admitted that is the reason why they refused to work with anyone to fix Social Security. Because of this kind of action, Charles, you may have NO Future retirement and neither will any of your children. Way to go DEMOCRATS.

Also, if a Senator or congressman does not vote the hard party line they are blackballed. Can you possibly justify not backing Joe Lieberman because he supports the president on Iraq. Why aren't they blackballing John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and the others that voted FOR the war.

You claim the Republicans show nothing but Hatred, but what do you call it when the Democratic Leaders make prejudicial statements towards groups of people and then say I was only kidding?

Keep electing these peoiple Charles and watch this great country fall apart.....
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#66 Consumer Comment

bush fans need to look @ themselves

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Robert needs to look @ himself before he judges other people because after hearing a years worth of his mudslinging, & instant attacks on everyone who has different opinion then us who he blast all the time. people need to be educated before they vote for republicans!.
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#67 Consumer Comment

In case you hadn't noticed, we are at war

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

And during every war, the President, and Congress, have limited freedom for the American Citizens.

Lincoln was the worst offender. He suspended Habeus Corpus. Essentially, he stripped everyone of ALL of their rights. He had people thrown out of the Union for simply disagreeing with the War. What a guy!

FDR locked up Japanese, and German immigrants. If you hadn't been here for at least a full generation, you were interned. It didn't matter that you left Imperial Japan, or n**i Germany, because you did not agree with their policies. Unless you were an Albert Einstein, you were interned. Nice. Welcome to America.

Every war comes with certain aspects of American life that must be sacrificed in order to get the job done.

The surveilance issue with Nixon was not against any enemy. He was attempting to spy on US Citizens whom he disagreed with. He had his "enemies list". His "enemies" were Communists, and Democrats. Is that redundant?

The current program is simply intercepting the messages that fit a pattern, and are between KNOWN terrorists, and contacts in the US. This program has stopped numerous attacks, including ones against the Brooklyn Bridge, Golden Gate Bridge, and the Holland Tunnel. When you have the same series of words repeated again, and again, it indicates an issue that should be investigated. This is known as "doing your homework".

Out of curiosity, would you complain just as loudly if the program ended, and people paid for that with their lives?

Exactly how would you attempt to gather information needed to prevent another attack?

And, did you complain about "Eschelon" when Clinton upped the ante to include ALL email traffic from EVERYONE, ALL cell phone traffic from EVERYONE, and ALL landline phone traffic from EVERYONE? He didn't even bother acting on anything that was picked up.

Every time a President does what's needed, someone complains. In the end, all rights are returned, and everyone goes about their lives as if nothing happened.

Now, if we can stop wasting time and money strip searching Granny and the baby, and start profiling the ONE group of maggots who have committed ALL but one of the terrorist attacks worldwide for over 30 years, we'd all be better off.

And for those of you of the Muslim faith, I don't care what you think. Yours is a religion of hate. It's the only religion that advocates murdering nonbelievers. Until the less volatile of your religion start speaking out against the barbarism committed in the name of your "Religion of Peace"(choking on bile), you can expect the majority of people worldwide to look upon you with disdain. Want to know why El-Al doesn't have a problem with hijackers? Because they profile TERRORISTS! Half the Israeli population is Arab, and as such NOT Jewish. Half the seats in the Knisset are held by NON-Jews. That's right...Arabs(Christian and Muslim) help run the Israeli Government. The Israeli's don't have a problem with terror attacks from within their borders.

They get it. Do you?
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#68 Consumer Comment

stubborn

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I, recent those remarks about me being infamous not being fit for soceity! I am entitled to share my feelings just like everyone else!.
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#69 Consumer Comment

Let's all applaud Charles!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

After years of his mudslinging, and instant attack mode, for anyone who may have a different opinion about anything, he has finally written a post that is clearly written in a known language, and contains none of the vitriol he is so infamous for.

Congratulations Charles. Welcome to society.
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Ummm Robert, Warrantless Surveillance was already ruled AGAINST by the UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT back in the Nixon era

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

I guess you forgot that Warrantless Surveillance was already ruled AGAINST by the UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT back in the Nixon era.

I do have to agree with your comments on Jimmy Carter. What an idiot he was! Thank God Ronald Reagan was elected after him.

If I'm not communicating with terrorists I have nothing to worry about? Um guess again! Our government is slowly taking away our constitutional rights buddy! But, it is sheep like you that just let the government heard you around that don't even see it!

You Robert and people like you are the real threat to our country. You know the, it's ok to take away our rights because our government claims they are doing this to help fight terrorists, mindset. But, you would also be the first to whine when we have no more rights!

Furthermore, if our government is so worried about terrorists activities in our country, why are they just now getting around to securing, or attempting to secure, our borders? That should have been the first thing that was done after 9/11 but, we are just now getting around to it? I'm not just talking about the southern borders either. Do you know that there are areas along the Canadian border that have no fences, or border patrol? Just a sign marking the border, like that is going to keep terrorists out.

I'm currently watching a Presidential News Conference about how we are now going to help both Israel and Lebanon rebuild their countries and I just have to wonder one thing, does Bush get HBO with those ears?
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#71 Consumer Comment

can you spell stubborn

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Can, you spell s-t-u-b-b-o-r-n.
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#72 Consumer Comment

What a surprise!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

What a surprise a Judge appointed by Jimmy Carter would decide a program that intercepts phone calls from KNOWN terrorists to people in this country, is unconstitutional.

Yep, the same Jimmy Carter who has never met a dictator he didn't like. Remember, in Venezeula, Jimmy Carter decided the vote was accurate. Never mind the fact that EVERYONE involved in the election, including Hugo Chavez, said the election was fraudulent.

The same Jimmy Carter who allowed US soil to be invaded, and personnel held hostage. The same Jimmy Carter who apologized to Khomeni for being invaded and held hostage. The same Jimmy Carter who gave us 21% prime rates, stagflation, the misery index, etc.

The same Jimmy Carter who was trounced in his re-election bid. The same Jimmy Carter who goes all over the world denouncing his own country. The same Jimmy Carter who has gone down in history as the WORST US President, ever.

Don't worry Lori. The case has been appealed to a more rational thinking Court. One that is not in a district with the 2nd largest population of Middle Eastern people, after the Middle East itself.

You do understand that her decision is meaningless don't you? She runs a DISTRICT Court. Her idiotic decisions only apply directly to her District. A Circuit Court Judge can over-rule her. ANY Federal Judge can. There's a reason she never got appointed above the position she has held for 27 years. Her total incompetence is the reason.

Anyone who cannot rise in position for that long, has only themselves to blame. She is to Federal Judges, what Cynthia McKinney and Corrine Brown are to US Congessmen.

Nope, this game is not over. The 6th Circuit Court of Appeals will do what is right, and squash her like a bug. Just because she's terrified of, or complicit with(you decide), the terrorists, means nothing. Unless YOU are the one that KNOWN terrorists are talking to, you have nothing to worry about with this program.

BTW, you DO know this program was actually set up during Jimmy Carter's reign of horror, don't you? How interesting. This Judge didn't have any issues with it under his Presidency. She also had no issues with it when Clinton upscaled it to include ALL emails from everyone, phone calls(both land and cell) etc. Nope. She only has an issue with it when the majority of people in her District are related to the ones we are trying to stop.

Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E?
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#73 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Republican's vs Democrats

AUTHOR: Karoline - (U.S.A.)

Clean your mouth and house first before you can pesticide someone else(s) place!

Just listening and watching Democrats including Pelosi woman, it make me sick... but people have right to believe and be politically oriented to what they want!

What Clinton, Albright and "viagra man" Dole did with a perfectly peaceful country, Yugoslavia... because they, Democrats were paid in cash millions in US$ by Albenian's. BTW... most people don't know that Dole is Albanian descendant! Albanian's are no different than Iraq's or Hesbolach or rest of extremist militia.

It is such a shame that American's as well illegal immigrant deliberately work against the US Government and country. All of you can mark the word... there is no other country where you could be so wishes like dogs tearing up your own house, called USA!!!

It has nothing to do with President Bush, but you don't know if IRAQ has a weapon of mass destruction or not. Sadam was very clever and hid from everyone, including his family and people what he was doing and were he buried it. Whatever he hid, buried and had it was definitely not a toy and the only difference is ---Inspectors could not find it because it's deep into ground and it is not activated yet! I don't like war but all of you that complain about war... it is not a Republican War... it's everybody war!!!

How about reducing "over-population" of poor country's that we are supporting for last 150 years and importing their overpopulation to US, keeping them on our pay-check(s) through welfare and SSI program(s) while American's can't get help when they need it.

How about all the wedlock children born here, or somewhere else, which don't know who the Father is? Why do American's honest people can't get a job here... they are smart and want to work but no jobs... why do American company(s) outsource US jobs and especially jobs that are found, designed and patented here in the US? Well, that is done by Democrats!
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#74 Consumer Comment

I hate to say I told you so but...

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

The Warrantless Surveillance Program setup by our lovely so called leader and carried out through the NSA has been found unconstitutional!!

U.S. District Judge Anna Diggs Taylor in Detroit ruled Thursday that the program violated the rights to free speech and privacy, as well as the separations of powers enshrined in the constitution.

To those who want to try to use the argument that this Judge is wrong and it will make it harder to monitor suspected terrorists; maybe you should check out the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which setup a secret court to grant warrants for such surveillance. This Act gave the government enough tools to monitor suspected terrorists without violating any constitutional rights.
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#75 Consumer Comment

bush fans be prepared to lose

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Everything is fine. Till these bush fans start their name calling & hatred! This is to scott you can see why republicans are so hated! Bush fans refuse to see how bad things are & they still say bush is doing a great job!. Bush fans, can see why they are so hated! They blast you because they refuse to admit they are wrong! I always disliked republicans because they take everything away from the middle class working people, & poor people!. Bush fans, can see why that the republican party is so hated!.
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#76 Consumer Suggestion

Just so you know

AUTHOR: C - (U.S.A.)

Just to clarify? when I submitted my post the quotation marks were taking out for the statements that I quoted James making and for some reason a question mark or two was added.
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#77 Consumer Comment

If it wasn't for Bush thousands more would have died!!

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

You Bush haters are all the same. You just can't fathom a moralistic society that condemns all of your myriad of sins. If it wasn't for our dear president and the war on terror, thousands of more innocents would have died while the pacifists put their heads in the sand. You pathetic losers talk about "No WMD's" and all that crap when tons were found, but the liberal press always thinking of the sensationalist story ignored this. God Forbid some DUmmies get in control, it will surely be then end of us all!!
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#78 Consumer Comment

bush fans be prepared to lose

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Bush fans, be prepared to lose! ya'll need to enjoy ya'lls little power trip! because we will regain the white house in 2008!, I don't even listen to fox news cause I do not want to deal with all the bickering & complaining like they do!, bush fans shows more hatred towards democrats then we show towards republicans! but bush fans want to blame everything on us!. Bush fans!, need to look @ themselves before blasting others!, like how they love to abuse & insult us!.
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There must be serious problems with the water in Tupper Lake. Either that or every idiot from that town manages to get online and run their head.

Considering where you're from you should really think about not posting under a serious topic. Someone who comes from a town where all the residents are either on crack or sleeping with every other resident, really isn't worth wasting the time of straining my eyes.

Oh, and you make the comment you are ?part of an organization who oust the Jews, but, *cough, cough* there is no violence involved.? Have you any clue what oust means? Or better yet, have you any clue what the hell you are talking about?

Kill ALL jews- People, stand up for yourself! Stop the USA from turning this great country bad, act now my fellow Americans, as I say Bush has trashed this country!

Kill all Jews? Maybe someone should send the FBI to investigate you. And stop the USA from destroying Americans??? Hmmmm?... Last I checked they were one in the same?

How dare they think because they have USA protection, they kill innocent women and children.

When did this happen? Jews are out killing women and children because we protect them to do it???? :O Holy hell, I better pack my sh*t and head to Mexico? sure don't want to stick around for that. *rolls eyes*

Why don't you do us all a favor ? keep your postings to the trashy topics and leave the rest to the big kids? M'kay?
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#80 Consumer Comment

Charles it goes both ways

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

The democrats show just as much if not more hatred towards republicans. Look at Michael Moore and Al Franken. They are revered by the Democratic party even more than Sean hannity is revered by Republicans

If you ever take the wax out of your ears and listen to Sean Hannity you will notice that if he thinks Republicans are wrong he will tell them so. But morons like you are blind with your hate and anything that is said by a Republican is wrong and you immediately blast them for. When we ask you for a suggestion or a solution you don'r have one and all you say is the republican way is wrong.

You say in one statement we need to all get along and they you blast republicans again. Only an idiotic hypocrite would attack like that. You obviously prefer that the gov't do everything fo you and you are not responsible for anything. Are you also one of these morons who believe that the Bush Administration planned 9-11???

I thought from your previous posts that you were a christian yet you spew hatred and you support leaders that support abortion which are both against what the bible teaches us. Before you blast others take a good long look at yourself....
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#81 Consumer Comment

why can't republicans&democrats work togather besides being agaisnt each other bush & the rest of the republicans want the nation to be divided

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Bush fans, refuse to get along with us you try explaining something to them that don't support bush they result in name calling & abusing you!, if you don't agree or support bush!.

I, can't stand hannity I do not like the things he says so I just don't watch fox news they are other programs I watch while he is on so my night will not be ruined!, just ignore bush fans stupid rebuttals all though its up setting enough hearing their hatred towards us!.

Why, can't we get along why can't all republicans & democrats get along & work things out besides all this tearing down each other with slurs!, why can't the republicans & democrats in congress work togather besides being agaisnt each other!,

its just plain childish how republicans act!. A divided, country will not stand! this country needs to unite but republicans want it divided & the country to be seperated!, life for us will get even worse before bush leaves office their needs to be a change know!.
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#82 Consumer Suggestion

Bush is GOOD !!!!

AUTHOR: Dave - (U.S.A.)

Yip thats right Bush is Good,,, I just love the way he lies and puts a spin on everything, and lies some more him and cheney !!!!

I also really like knowing, that he's doing absolutely nothing about these Gas & Oil prices,,and forcing those in his Fraudulent Party to have to pay these Ridlicious prices as well,, hope it breaks your backs and your wallets for supporting such a Liar !!!

Bush Jr.,, has had 7 failed Businesses before becoming well,, where he's at now,, I would call him a President,, but,, somehow that just doesn't really fit him,,,!!!!!

Bush had a War Chest of Capitol donated to him, while running for office back in 2000-2001, as the media used to report a War Chest,, mainly provided by the Big Oil Company Lobbyists, into the Multi-Millions,, now its pay back time, to let those Big Oil Companies have free reign and Gouge the American Public right into the ground,, this is the pay back for supporting and donating to his run for office,,, Yes even the Republicans who supported him are NOW,, getting shafted by him, and its gonna get worse too!!!!!

You'll be paying even bigger, and higher prices at the pump, soon,,,, just wait till this Winter when the Natural Gas rates go thru the roof, and yes, even the Republicans will be hit hard, and drivin to financial despair this winter, with outrageous and ridlicious Gas Bills, on top of paying $4.00 a gallon or more for gasoline,,,,

Yip,, this is an IDIOT I'd want to support and get in verbal confrantations over,, and d**n near fist fights,, to support this guy who could give a d**n about you, your family, your job,or you as a Citizen of this country !!!!

Seems strange, that none of you really cared all that much about him when he was just a pathetic washed up Govenor of Texas,, who had bankrupted the stste of Texas and had the Texas public School system in a mess !!!!!!!

I believe,,, most you Republican Supporters,,, would truly Support "Gilligan", if he was a Republican in office,,, its just to d**n bad,,,, this Gilligan we now have in office,,,,, didn't take a "3-hour tour", and get lost out in the middle of nowhere for about 20 decades !!!!! But it ain't over yet,,,,he still might, yet !!

So,, all you supporters who support corruption and schemers, next time your at the gas station and filling up your vehicle,, just thank who you supported,,,when you go in to pay that $100 or $200 dollar bill for fueling up your vehicle, and only got a 1/2 tank of gas,,,

I don't support any politician, because I believe they'r all corrupt and none of them are truly looking out after your best interests, for which they were electd for, and are paid for by your Tax Dollars,,, neither party has impressed me lately over the last 20 years

So wake up, and Quit sticking up for somebody that holds public office, thats Corrupt, and doesn't really give a hoot about you or your family or your welfare !!!!!!
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#83 Consumer Comment

Ben has heatstroke

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

That is the only excuse for his lack of reasoning. Unfortunately, I think he aquired the condition many years ago.

Fisrt he says one thing(pick a topic), then denies it, then argues FOR it, then against it.

You're a one man debate.
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#84 Consumer Comment

World war III is welcomed!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

The United States seems to think we own the world, well we don't! I must say neither do these Jew f**ks. I am sorry but I love that Hitler killed these scuzz balls, How dare they think because they have USA protection, they kill innocent women and children. I am an American and I say to hell with JEWS!!!!!! I hate them freaks, and now I am member of an organization to oust them! Oh, of course no violence! Hah hah! The jews and Bush have been close so it makes you wonder, what is up? Kill ALL jews- People, stand up for yourself! Stop the USA from turning this great country bad, act now my fellow Americans, as I say Bush has trashed this country!
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#85 Consumer Comment

Oh yes..."the liberal bias excuse"....works every time

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Obviously your smoke screen machine and your lie blender are in complete working order there Robbie. Lets take another gander at your wonderful garbage shall we.....

"At this point, only you and "B", still deny the stuff is dangerous." --Robert

I did?? Where? When did I ever mention mustard gas and sarin not being dangerous? Matter of fact....where did I ever mention either of the two substances...EVER? Once again....

I CHALLENGE YOU TO FIND ANY COMMENT I MADE ABOUT EITHER....ANYWHERE! (bet that "proof" is hiding with your proof on the Islam in CA schools eh? Or are we going to fall back on the "that mean 'ol editor of Rip-off-Report wont let me post links...boo h*o" excuse?)

"Once again, the reason you don't see the FACTS on the "front page", is because it would help GWB."

Oh yes. The old "the media is liberal biased...THE MEDIA IS LIBERAL BIASED!!!" excuse. Lets see, we have FOX news. Are they liberal biased Robbie? No of course not. Do they tout all these so called "found" WMD's? No, of course not. Because...THERE ARNT ANY! Of course we could also talk about all the other news sources around the world that dont seem to have that story either. I bet the whole world is now liberal biased too eh?

As usual your lies are obvious and your arguments hold no water. Much like your head holds no brain.
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#86 Consumer Comment

THANX YOU COMEDY CENTRAL

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

Happily, we have Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert each weeknight. If it weren't for them, we'd be crying instead of laughing!
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#87 Consumer Suggestion

You guys are unbelieveable

AUTHOR: Clay - (U.S.A.)

Tupper lake has to be the in-bred capital of the world.

For six years you guys have been mad that the election was "stole". Bush never had a chance!

Then in 04 you get a bunch of money, get the young stupids all bent out of shap, rock the vote, election fraud using black americans, shooting at RNC locations in Alabama, slashing VOLUNTEERS of the RNC tires in Milwaukee, and you still can't win an election! Thats hilarious and indicitive of your mentality and party!

Guess what Libs..... You can't win because you can't think straight. Your BS ideas are all based on what YOU want to believe. You can't prove it and you can't disprove it.

You want impeachemnt...Well newsflash here folks your Lib media would get it if they could. they can't because there is NOTHING there. But you guys are too stupid to see that.

WMD's: Bush, Blair and others would have never subjected themselves to ridicule knowingly. In Business you know the outcome before the move. So that is why I don't believe for a second that they were lying. So what then? You guys seem to believe in conspiracy theories. The UN was wrapped around Saddams finger and hate Bush. To make Bush look stupid they couldn't help Saddam hide them? No that couldn't be possible *Sarcasm*. That makes a whole lot more sense than the "Bush lied theory", or at least it would, if you would take your Democrat i hate bush glasses off, and try have a serious dialouge.

Scary thing is. I beleive you guys would sell out your own country if you could get Bush impeached. let the muslims take over America and destroy it if you could just get vengeance on Bush....WOW! But I am supposed to believe and take serious your rantings...

THAT is why you lose elections!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#88 Consumer Comment

What drugs do you take?

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

Bush has lied and violated soooooo many laws such as the ones in the USA Constitution such as right to speek freely, the right to privacy, and others. I can't name them ALL but this idiot is making them dissapear and the Americans are accepting this. I will never accept losing our liberties, as Bush is slowly erasing our liberties. Bush is spying on Americans, how lame is that? Now of course we are in a war with Iraq, which I think is bad, we have no business over there except to steal their oil and make daddys war right. Bush will BURN IN HELL!I hate killing, but he needs OUT!
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#89 Consumer Comment

Robert, you've become trapped in your own spin

AUTHOR: B. - (U.S.A.)

Nobody is denying the stuff is dangerous, though probably less dangerous than 500 cans of Draino. But at this point, only you, John, and Rick Santorum believe they are WMD. The reason you don't see these or any other facts on the front page is because there is no news. Santorum got his day and a half of front page coverage, which is a day and a half more than his "facts" deserved. It does nothing to hurt or help Bush; he has already recognized, publicly, that Saddam destroyed his existing chem/bio WMD and dismantled his programs for manufacturing them a decade ago. Those are the facts as Bush sees them. Get over it, already. Whatever intentions Saddam may have had for the future, whatever reasons (or lack of reason) led him to cloud the issue, WMD were not part of the picture when we invaded Iraq.

I know I've been somewhat out of touch with the news while galvanism around California, but it is odd that every front page story I read, every news broadcast I watch, right here in the heart of the bluest state in the union, says exactly the opposite of what you would lead me to believe they're saying. Hmmm.... Wonder why that is? Perhaps its true that you neocons are incapable of differentiating shades of gray, unable to follow nuance and subtlety; there is only your far-right hard line Daisy-Cutter philosophy, and "everything else" is liberal BS. If the media doesn't parrot exactly the trite phraseology you have been programmed to expect, they must be saying the exact opposite. It always amuses me when you guys point out Dan Rather's mistake as proof positive the entire media is a "left-wing propoganda machine", but you hold your own media sources to no standards whatsoever. Priceless!

BTW, yes Israel has liberals too. While they favor negotiation and seek avenues of practical cooperation with Arab nations, they are positively hawkish on terrorists. It is the Israeli conservatives you need to be concerned about in this instance. Oh, and I've never heard anyone refer to Hezbollah as "freedom fighters". Guess I just don't hang with the right liberals.
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Way to go James

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

James:

You are proving the point again. All you democrats can do is bash Republicans and the President and offer NO solution.

You say that there is too much violence in the Middle East. Don't tell me you are one of theose Democratic Moprons that truly believe that John Kerry as president could have prevented it.

Since you seem tp blame this solely on George Bush and the Republicans please share with us how a Democratic Congress and John Kerry as president would have prevented this. I really would like to hear this.
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#91 Consumer Comment

Impeachment does little good...

AUTHOR: Edward - (U.S.A.)

It won't do any good to try to impeach GWB,
he won't leave even if he were to be impeached.
Look at Clinton; he got impeached; did he leave
the White house? NO and nobody in DC or any where
else in this great land had the balls to make him
leave. Nixon got impeached but, he left on his own
accord. He mistakenly thought they he would be
'walked out the door', so he left on his own. He
didn't have to leave though. Nixon could have
finished off his term in office the same as
Clinton did and old Mrs. Nixon could have gone on
to be elected to a high position in the great
state of New York just like Hillary did.

No impeachment will do nothing for the present situation. We will all just have to wait for the next election and hope that a better man than GW comes to the front of the News Media blitz which we call a presidential election. I made the mistake of voting for George Bush, a mistake I had made once before when I voted for Jimmy Carter by absentee ballot back in '76.

I was in the United States Coast Guard serving in Kodiak, Alaska at that time. I didn't have a clue as to what life in the real world was like. I was young and it was my first time voting and everyone around me was saying that Mr. Carter was going to be the best president we ever had. Boy, did I get some bad advice on that one...sheesh. I was honorably dis- charged in '77 and came home to Clearwater, FL and life was good for about a year. Then inflation hit the hardest it has ever hit in my lifetime and the price of gas went from 33 cents a gallon to well over a dollar in a month. My monthly rent of $150 for my luxury apartment soared to $450 a month and everything just went through the roof.

And my president's political machine (Democrats),
raised taxes up so high that I had to make a dras-
tic lifestyle change. Even through all this, I
didn't start hating my decision to vote for Carter
until I got passed over for a promotion at my work
place because of Affirmative action. I went out
and got a college degree taking night courses
while I worked there and I was in the darn company
education program, but the company had signed on
to the new 'politically correct' program and I saw
them pass me and my degree up to promote people
off the street with no education even promoting
folks that didn't even have a high school diploma!
Right about that time, the Iranian Hostage Crisis
thing began and before it was anywhere near the
444 days, I began to truly hate Mr. Carter. I
couldn't believe I had actually voted for someone
that was such an obvious 'Sissy'. I mean really,
the man had no balls at all. If anyone should have
ever been impeached, it was him and he should have
been thrown out on his ear. The reason that the
hostages were released (and this never seems to
show up in the news media reports) on the day
Ronald Reagan was sworn in was because the Iranian
barbarians were "scared to death" of ol' Ronnie
boy. They had remembered him from all the old
westerns and military films that Reagan had top
roles in and they knew that the incoming president
was going to turn their lives upside down by bomb-
the heck out of them.

I do believe that Mr. Reagan would have flattened Tehran the very next day Getting back to the 'here and now', I have voted for Republican candidates ever since I made the first mistake of voting for Mr. Carter and I have been very happy with the Republican presidents we have had since. I was extremely happy and proud of Ronald Reagan. When he was president, I paid less in taxes for a full eight years than I could ever
have imagined considering the glutonous ways of
the US Government. The only thing Reagan did that
I thought was wrong was increasing the SS tax on
employees by such a high percentage and it staying
that way forever and he changed the Civil Service
Retirement system from CSRS to FERS (Federal Em-
ployees Retirement System). Those were the only
things he ever did that I thought were wrong. HW
Bush made me happy by continuing on with the low
taxes for a couple years until he broke his pro-
mise not to raise taxes but, even then, the tax
bill wasn't so high as to make me complain about
it. Of course, as soon as Ross Perot got his shot
and a lot of people wasted their votes on him and
as a result, Bill Clinton got in and he took all
the credit for the good things that came from
'Reaganomics'. What a lush and a coward Clinton
was; having sex with every woman in his midst when
he had a good, attractive, sexy woman at home. I
don't see how Hillary put up with that unless she
was playing the same game. Maybe they had an "open
Marriage" arrangement that none of us knew about.
That would explain a lot of things.

As soon as Clinton got in there the first thing was to raise taxes on all the working class and everyone except the highest earners. The whole time he was the pres, My personal taxes were a higher percentage than at any other time in my life (including now).

When Clinton got impeached, I mistakenly thought
that he would be led away from the White House in
shame. Boy, were we wrong on that too!!! He just
snubbed his nose at everyone just the same snooty
way he had been doing all his life. And I'd bet
that even with the disgrace of having his sex life
displayed for all to see, he probably still had
something going on on the side with somebody...I'd
bet he is STILL not faithful to Hillary but as I
said previously, they probably have an open rela-
tionship. Who knows? The first time I actually
thought I had made a mistake by voting for George
W Bush was the day he found out about the attacks
on the WTC and the Pentagon. He was on National TV
seen spending the day getting brownie points by
associating with America's school children (which
of whom he actually cares very little about), when
he was told, he obviously went in to shock. He
didn't have a clue as to how to react. He is not
a true military man. He acted as if he wished his
father was there to tell him what to do. At that
moment I knew that GW Bush was the wrong man for
the job At least, to his credit, he did try to
put things right but he has failed miserably. Just
imagine if this had of happened to Jimmy Carter,
the terrorists probably would have used nukes on
us rather than knock down a few planes and build-
ings and Carter would have done nothing. Bush
should not have allowed the Bin Ladens to leave
the country because that made him look like he had
something to do with the attacks, like he condoned
them in a bizarre way. Also, I thought it was very
wrong for him to be seen shaking hands and kissing
the Saudi Leader after finding out that the lead-
ers of the WTC attacks were born and raised in
Saudi Arabia and that 80% of their followers were
also born and raised there. In a country that open
ly teaches its people to HATE AMERICANS and that
americans deserve to be killed for maniacal
religious reasons, Bush had no business acting
that friendly out in public with the Saudi leader.
Of course, Bush is obviously in their hip pocket
with all the personal financial dealing he and HW
have with the royal family. Voting for Bush was a
terrible, terrible mistake and I wish I could go
back in time so I could help campaign against him.
This is not about being a Republican or a
Democrat.

I am happy that I made the switch back
in 1980 when I personally helped Ronald Reagan's
campaign because I believe the Democrats are the
liberals on the left that would have most or ALL
of my paycheck while I live in on the poverty
line or even have to live in a van. This is more
about the wrong man being put in front of all of
us at election time. A man without courage, a man
who is unable to think of what to say before he
says it, was able to pull together enough money
to get himself elected. Something has to be done
about the process we use to elect a president or
else I fear our next leader will not be the one
we wish we had in a crisis. But, I don't have a
time machine, so I'm stuck along with the rest of
you hoping that he will be a lameduck until his
time is up because the post up from this one hit
it right on the head by saying that a year or two
from now, all hell could be breaking out and we
really could be in WW III. God, I hope not for
all our sakes.

Edward

Clearwater, Florida
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#92 Consumer Comment

Hey John Boy! Get a CLUE! you idiot Republicans

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

John Boy,

I just wanted to tell you idiot Republicans that you best enjoy your little power trip now because in November Democrats will regain lot's of control and in 2008 we will retake our white house. I hope we can save this country and put us back in the green again instead of the red. I also believe that there is way to much violence in the middle east and this s**t needs to stop before this turns into world war III. Bush needs to go down as well as Israel!
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#93 Consumer Comment

Well, Just read my Comments. Say what you will.

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

I agree that our current President is an idot.

I agree that our last President was an idiot.

But honestly folks, we are looking at the next World War if we don't (we meaning the people of this nation) do somthing constructive about what is going on right now.

If things don't cool off, I would not be surprised if in a year or two, we start up a National Draft. My nephew will be 18 next year & I have told him that he'd be safer enlisting & getting into an administrative job right out of High School rather then be drafted (if a Draft is in effect) & be sent out to the front lines.

For those who may view that as a cowardly suggestion, if you have realatives young enough to be drafted & you know very dam well that nukes are on the horizon, where would you prefer them (your kids or realatives) to be?

How to solve this, sadly I do not have the answer. Nor does any of the people commenting on this thread. After reading every single comment that has been posted, it is obvious that nobody that posts in here has a clue as to how to end this situation.

I am sure that the President is relieved that the media is currently wrapped up w/ what is going on in Beruit. Meaning, nobody is hounding the fact that his Administration is killing OUR CITIZENS even though they are in the Military, they are still Citizens of Our United States of America! Sadam had to be removed from power for Killing his Citizens just to name only one of his many crimes.

I am also a Veteran. I served in Desert Storm. I am a current member of the American Legion. I support Our Troops, but I DO NOT SUPPORT what our Troops are involved in.

I am not bashing the President, I am not defending him either.

Political Party views are irrelavent on this issue.

Until the People of Our Great Nation learn to talk to each other, rathen slander each other, I seriously doubt that we will ever reach a Peaceful Solution.
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Ben you are a democrat shrill

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

You are just like all the other democrats. Don't admit that anything is true if is puts the president in a good light. If you are the one who is right why did Bush go to war? It couldn't have been for oil like you democrats claim because the US has not seized control of oil like they could have....

You democrats say thi is wrong and that is wrong. When you are pressed for a silution you don't have one. You also conveniently don't mention that your pres Billy
Clinton gave tha North Koreans the technology to North Korea to build Nuclear missiles. Because the mainstream media is controlled by the democrats is why you don't see the WMD weapons that were found on the front page. Instead, they reveal secret, legal government programs so the enemy knows their financial transactions are being watched and then hide behind freedom of the press.
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#95 Consumer Comment

Simply astounding

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Five hundred FULL artillery shells don't count as WMD's? Sarin and Mustard don't count as WMD's?.

At this point, only you and "B", still deny the stuff is dangerous.

Once again, the reason you don't see the FACTS on the "front page", is because it would help GWB. Anything that helps him is eliminated, while anything that hurts him is made the top story. The New York Times Editor even wrote a memo exposing this tactic.

Don't believe the mainstream media is cocked over to the far left? How about what's happening in Lebanon right now. Every article written about it talks about "Israel attacking blah blah blah", instead of "Israel retaliating for the unwarranted attacks against it's CIVILIAN population". The TERROSISTS(your ilk calls them freedom fighters) are the bad guys, but the Liberal media makes Israel look like the aggressor. Like us, they target MILITARY targets, while the TERRORISTS target innocents. Killing Israeli schoolchildren is okay, but blasting a TERRORIST rocket site is considered bad because the families of the TERRORISTS might get wasted too.

After getting thumped twice(1967 and 1973) no other Arab country wants to fight Israel. In fact, they are giving tacit support for the action AGAINST the TERRORISTS. Will you see this anywhere other than FoxNews? Of course not. The rest are too busy crying a river over the kill ratio, and asking why Israel is using so much force, when "negotiations should be used". I'll tell you why. The only negotiations needed are where to bury the bodies after the TERRORISTS are eliminated. Overkill? Nope. I think they should be dropping Daisy-Cutters on the whole d**n place. The Lebanese have had 30 years to boot both groups out of their country. That Government is complicit at this point. I only hope the Liberals in Israel don't convince their Government to pull back before the job is done. And yes, they have them too. So far, Israel has lost a few dozen troops to this fight. This was done for 3 kidnapped soldiers, not to mention the other 3 who were murdered when the others were kidnapped. The lefties would say the costs are out of sync. The intelligent ones understand the issue, and know the cost of doing nothing.

For those who don't know, Hezbollah is the group of TERRORISTS who killed my friends in 1983, attacked our Embassy in Beirut, killed Robert Stedham when they hijacked the TWA plane(thought he was a Marine), have launched THOUSANDS of murderous rockets attacks into Israeli towns, etc, etc. The media ignores the FACT that they are a TERRORIST organization. Israel doesn't.

Don't believe the media is a left-wing propoganda machine? Then why don't they report the TRUTH, instead of only the bad, or just plain making stuff up(Dan Rather?)?

"There are none so blind, as those who will not see".
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#96 Consumer Comment

Found? Really? What? Where?

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Really Robert?

WMD's were found?

Gee wiz! Dont you think that would make the front page of any paper? Dont you think they (Bush Co.) would be using these "found" WMD's as examples to deflect the growing distrust of the war in general. They arnt because.....

THEY CANT! Got to have'em to use'em!

What WMD's are you talking about? A centrifuge found in someones backyard? A few empty ceramic artillery shells?

Great! We killed 1000's of Iraq civilians, 1000's of our own soldiers, numerous of our own civilans kidnapped and beheaded, for what?

Empty artillery shells.....and a centrifuge.

Funny how you avoid even commenting on the Bush supporter that made the claim "were you there?!". Funny how they dont mention any of these "found" WMD's either. They can only cower and say "maybe there are WMD's .....were you there? huh? where you there??!! How do you know?!".

So far we have exactly who that really thinks WMD's are there?

I'll tell you.....only Bush supporters. And the funny thing about it.....they are the only ones. Not even Bush himself believes it. Because that was NOT the reason he went. He went for other reasons. Fairly obvious ones for anyone with even a quarter of a brain. If you cant figure it out after 3 years of war, with no results, then you never will.

Shall we even get into the links between Al-Quada and Iraq?........NONE FOUND.

That was another Bush "reason" for going.


Let me repeat....NONE FOUND.

Spare me the "oh...years and years ago there were meetings between Al-Quada and Saddam". Not proven, just more spin, and even if true, lets not forget there were MEETINGS WITH BUSH SR's ADMINISTRATION AND SADDAM AS WELL. Not to mention very high level ones between our dear dear Sec. of Defense and Saddam....PERSONALLY!! Shall we consider the Bush Sr. admin part of the 9/11 deal as well. Can we invade the Bush ranches in Texas now? Any ties between Al-Quada and Saddam that have been found (very few), had nothing to do with 9/11. Not one SHRED of proof. NOT ONE SHRED OF PROOF. IN THREEE YEARS.....NOT ONE SHRED!

The people of this nation deserve better after 3 years of war. We have gotten NOTHING!

P.S. I see your still trying to bolster your foolish claims of "forced Islam education in California". Sorry bud, not falling for it. You brought it up, not me. But I bet you will try and say I did again. Sorry fool, a culture class in ONE SCHOOL does not equal a widespread force feeding in an entire state. Nor does it mean a force feeding in even that ONE school. Just a little cultrue course...nothing more Mr.Panicmonger. You lost that argument ages ago. Get over it. But I doubt you will. I hear the rumblings of another "you dont even know where the DMV is in your county" or some stupid smoke screen similar comming soon from you.
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#97 Consumer Comment

Open mouth, insert foot...

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"I'll repeat.....DO THE MATH!"

That's just hilarious on so many levels, coming from you.

"Only someone who is a complete idiot, or a person incapable of admitting they were wrong even when presented with massive evidence will still maintain we went there for WMD's and not something else."

First, some of the WMD's were found. Just because you and your liberal ilk don't like that FACT, doesn't mean it isn't so. We all know you hate facts, and evidence. It takes away the argument from you.

Second, change the wording around to say Islam being taught in school, and you have just shot yourself in the foot again. Must be hard wearing shoes with all those bandages. We presented "massive evidence" for you, and you chose to ignore it...just like any good Liberal does.

So, when are you going to be capable of "admitting you were wrong", Ben.
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#98 Consumer Comment

"Were" we there?

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Sorry folks this comment just humors me......

"Everyone says there were no Weapons of Mass destruction, How do all of you know there weren't and still aren't? Were you physically there?"

Well first off not "everyone" says that. Just those that dont listen to the lies of the neo-cons.

Second, since this whole "war" was done so poorly and so crooked....its true....the proof will most likely never be seen either way. I'm sure it was intened that way.

Third about this "were you physically there?". Ummm yes...we are physically there. A certain saying comes to mind....."you and what army?". We have an entire army there! Physically! Been there for over 3 years. And still....no WMD's.


An army.....

One of the best equiped in the world..if not the best.....

A nation with one of the most advanced..if not the most advanced intel......

That has been gathering intel on this 3rd world rogue nation for over a decade.......

A nation trounced in barely a couple weeks of fighting.....

PHYSICALLY THERE!.......

For over 3 years........

And still....no WMD's.

Do the math!


Now we seem to be able to find a single missle in North Korea being rolled out onto the launch pad without "physically" being there. But we cant find a HUGE stockpile of WMD's in a nation we have been spying on for over decade and having routine security flights (remember those "no-fly" zones?) over since the end of the first Gulf War?

I'll repeat.....DO THE MATH!

Only someone who is a complete idiot, or a person incapable of admitting they were wrong even when presented with massive evidence will still maintain we went there for WMD's and not something else.


Toodles.
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#99 Consumer Comment

Steve look In the Mirror Before You call People Names

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Steve,

All i was refering to is that you DEMS say you hate this and you hate that and you NEVER offer a solution. You have the right to free speech and can say what you want but what other solution is there? If your way is better what is it? Everywhere you turn you hear Kerry, Murtha, Clinton or some other Democrat spouting off about something and offering NO solution or another idea.

Your right, Clinton in the whit house. She will probably have an affair with Monica Lewinsky, LIE under OATH, ignore warnings of a terrorist attack, and tell us everything is peachy.

I didn't call you a name but that is the only way you DEMS can attack because you offer NO alternative.
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#100 Consumer Comment

You are a joke to think that Bush Jr. is so great. You must be d**n rich, or have stock in an oil company.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

HEY JOHN, YOUR AN IDIOT

Maybe you have stock in Haliburton. So I guess it must be O.K. for the taxpayers to pay big bucks for a case of Coke or to have clothes cleaned.

Support our country; yes! Do I support an idiot in office, hell no! People like you is what brings down a great country like ours. Can you say "the worst President ever"? Check the facts! Why in the hell is the National Gaurd in Iraq? Are they not supposed to be protecting the nation? Our nation? Get real all you Republican fools!!! What are we really doing there; protect the people, or protect the oil?

Never put an oil man in the Whitehouse you fools!!!

Clinton in 2008!!! I will vote for her, just like I voted for her husband. d**n, times were good then.
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#101 Consumer Comment

Oil companies are punishing americans for bush's war iraq freedom for the iraq people

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Oil, companies are making us pay the price because of iraq! why should we get punished! for something we didn't do! that bush started!, oil companies are making life rough for us having to pay high gas because of this iraq war!. Why, should oil companies make us pay the price for a war we are agaisnt!, the gas did not start going up till after bush started the iraq war in 2003 gas has doubled sense then! their is not an gas shortage!, americans should start a class action law suit agaisnt all gas companies to sue for all the $ billions they stole from us! thank you bush for making our lives miserable! & to all republicans!, the next republican running will not have a change in winning the election bush has screwed it up for all republicans!. Who, cares for the iraq people they never did anything to help us in past wars! so why should we lose any of our people to help make them free!.
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#102 Consumer Comment

Mindy you are a typical Liberal

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

All you can say is I HATE BUSH.

Another asinine statement from a liberal who has no viable solution. All you liberals have to say is that what the president is doing is wrong. You refuse to listen and ponly spew hatred. If you all hate this country so much why don't you all just leave? I'm sure North korea will take you in......

i ccan't believe the hatred for one man that you democrats show. Why don't you all grow up and support the country rather than spew hatre?
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#103 Consumer Comment

Mindy you are a typical Liberal

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

All you can say is I HATE BUSH.

Another asinine statement from a liberal who has no viable solution. All you liberals have to say is that what the president is doing is wrong. You refuse to listen and ponly spew hatred. If you all hate this country so much why don't you all just leave? I'm sure North korea will take you in......

i ccan't believe the hatred for one man that you democrats show. Why don't you all grow up and support the country rather than spew hatre?
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#104 Consumer Comment

Mindy you are a typical Liberal

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

All you can say is I HATE BUSH.

Another asinine statement from a liberal who has no viable solution. All you liberals have to say is that what the president is doing is wrong. You refuse to listen and ponly spew hatred. If you all hate this country so much why don't you all just leave? I'm sure North korea will take you in......

i ccan't believe the hatred for one man that you democrats show. Why don't you all grow up and support the country rather than spew hatre?
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#105 Consumer Comment

Mindy you are a typical Liberal

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

All you can say is I HATE BUSH.

Another asinine statement from a liberal who has no viable solution. All you liberals have to say is that what the president is doing is wrong. You refuse to listen and ponly spew hatred. If you all hate this country so much why don't you all just leave? I'm sure North korea will take you in......

i ccan't believe the hatred for one man that you democrats show. Why don't you all grow up and support the country rather than spew hatre?
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#106 Consumer Suggestion

To the Original Poster

AUTHOR: Mindy - (U.S.A.)

You said,

"When I think President, I think figurehead; someone who is respected and looked up to by the masses as a leader of the people, and a vessel through which the people speak and are heard by the government."

Ummmm. I hate Bush too.

But you need to look up the definition of figurehead. A figurehead is not someone who is respected and looked up to.

Figurehead is defined as:

"the titular head of an organization who has no real power."

I am not going to kill you for this, but if you are trying to make an educated, political statement, you should learn the definitions of the words that you use.

You are lucky though, since the conservatives are all WAAAAAY too dumb to pick up on this.
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#107 Consumer Comment

I know how corrupt this government is and I sures' hell don't support anything it does

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

Gina, It's a two way street, baby girl!

My whole family was in the military but I was smart enough not to enlist. I know how corrupt this government is and I sures' hell don't support anything it does. Remember the Cuban missle crisis? JFK got us out of that conflict without a war, surprise but almost a year later since the government couldn't get him to go to war, the government killed him. JFK was great President not this peice of s**t who has broken so many laws it isn't even funny. He should have been impeached long ago but the crooked always prevail until the man strikes them down, right Ken Lay(rot in hell). Iraq war was a farce and we were there for many reasons such as finishing daddys unfinished business, oil, and to control the region. I find it funny we situated ourselves between Afghanistan, and Iraq surrounding Iran. I don't blame Iran for beefing up or any other country for the matter. I also find it funny after 9/11 we have steadily lost our rights and you fools don't care. I mean come on terrorists have been attacking us for years and nothing ever made all these changes until BUSH came to power, you know "Jesus Bush" Well, I will rest when that inbred is out of power and I am certain Jeb baby will never step foot in the white house.
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#108 Consumer Comment

It's really a sad situation

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

Alot of people are so quick to insult and cut down the president. I am by no means saying he is the greatest president in the world. But I'll tell you what I wouldn't want his job and how any of you can cut him down and say what his intentions are is absurd. You don't know him personally and you don't know what his intentions are in what he's been doing. No matter what the war was justified!


We had thousands of United States Citizens (including many from other countrys) killed in one day, to what end and for what reasons? Because a country full of people who don't like us. So what would any of you do? Sit back and do nothing? At least Bush did something and it's sad that it took a war, but as a former military person myself, I made the decision, I wasn't forced to sign the papers and if I recall the Draft wasn't and still isn't reinstated. It's a personal choice a person makes and if they do, they risk death. And I respect any person who was or is in the military. They fight for our freedom.


Everyone says there were no Weapons of Mass destruction, How do all of you know there weren't and still aren't? Were you physically there? We don't know and we probably never will. After 9/11, and knowing the history with some countries and their hatred of us, I too would be tempted to start a war with them as well. Look what's going on now with North Korea, should we all just turn our backs on this and not worry about it? I am very concerned about it. We're talking Nukes, nothing to joke around about. I hope Bush as a president with the administration stop this before one of those Nukes hit the United States.

As I said I don't think he's doing a great job as president, but how do you think any of you would fare being the president? Well you really can't guess that can you, because you're not, and I gurantee none of you, like me would want the job. He's just a man like most of you on here and yes he's made some big mistakes, like many, many past presidents and like all of us. The only man that walked the face of this earth, mistake free was our Lord Jesus Christ. I think all of us, including myself should take a good long look at ourselves and our lives, before we cut down the one person who is in the worst situation right now.
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#109 Consumer Comment

John, these weapons are not the reason

AUTHOR: B. - (U.S.A.)

These "weapons" were collected in small quantities over a period of 3 years. Most are remnants of the Iran/Iraq war, and were found scattered piecemeal throughout the areas that saw action during that war. The ISG report predicted that we would continue to find these, in "militarily insignigicant" quantities, just as they are still finding them in Europe from WW2. Nobody in the UN or the US government, including Rick Santorum would have considered these to be covered under the resolutions, and certainly not a reason to declare war. Mr. Santorum is jerking your chain, and you are letting him do it.

You misunderstand the properties of these chemicals. Sarin degades very rapidly, cyclosarin a little less so, independent of the environment it is stored in. Sulpher mustards degrade very slowly if exposed to the elements, almost not at all if properly stored. However, heat, such as that normally found in Iraq, causes them to polymerize, i.e. turn to jelly. The byproducts of the Sarin shells are still toxic, but no nerve agent remains. The mustard, on the other hand, still maintains its blister properties, but it is useless as a weapon because it cannot be dispersed.

Well, I am not a Democrat, and I think you probably owe me an apology for calling me one, considering how vile you apparently hold them to be. That being said, there are truths and then there are TRUTHS. I believe this President, the last President, and several before them, not to mention most of the Congress are guilty of lying to us on a regular basis. Do you disagree? Why on earth should anyone feel bad for exposing them?
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#110 Consumer Comment

B- These weapons are the reason

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

The original UN resolutions against iraq were that they destroy the weapons they had during the Gulf War. The reason that they US attacked was because the UN didn't have the balls to after their resolutions were ignored.

Obviously, the weapons were not destroyed were they? All Iraq had to do was produce evidence that these weapons were destroyed and they didn't bother to.

But you democrats all still sau the president lied. Also, according to news stories that I have heard the Mustard Gas is basically ineffective but the Sarin Gas still has enough strength to kill a lot of people.

But you being a democrat do not have the hono5r to say the president told the truth when he talked about these weapons and mayvbe you Democrats owe him an apology. But that would assume you all would show some decency instead of pure hatred.
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#111 Consumer Comment

No, no, no WMD!

AUTHOR: B. - (U.S.A.)

John,

Your arguments are so WRONG!!!!

No WMD were found, just some old, discarded, useless artillery shells. To be classed as WMD, they would have to actually be capable of causing some destruction, don't you think?

I don't know what kind of creative economics you used to calculate the defecit, but its WRONG!!!! Might I suggest you consult the GAO website. Then perhaps you can explain why Congress recently had to pass a bill to increase the debt ceiling to $9 trillion.

You are sadly naive if you believe that people's only reason for opposing this war is because they lost the election.
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#112 Consumer Comment

I just love bush fans

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Bush fans accusing us of slandering the republicans, while they go around slandering the democrats! we don't care how angry bush fans get how or how much they think we are disrecpting bush, to those who oppose us the truth hurts!. Bush fans, get angry & start their hatred & their slanderus remarks! towards us!. I, just love seeing them angry! we don't care how angry they get when we have something negative to say!, I will not get out of the united states I will I was born here bush fans have no right to tell us to get out of the country just because we dislike bush, nothing they wil say will make us support bush or become republican!.
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#113 Consumer Comment

Lydia, Charles and Joan are Democratic Shrills

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

How can you all continue to make the argument against the war when it has been proven that the democrats who claimed there were no weapons of mass destruction were WRONG!!!!

You all called the president a liar and are you enough of an adult to admit you were wrong? NO!!! Instead you continue to slander and attack and claim that this war was personal.

Why don't you all grow up. Also the defecit has gone down since WILLY left office so that argument is WRONG!!!!

You all lost the election and that is nmo reason to undermine the effort. You claim to be for the troops but your hateful comments hurt them because they are there because they believe it is the right thing to do.

God Bless The USA and our troops wherever they are sent.
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#114 Consumer Comment

An Adult Perspective

AUTHOR: Lydia - (U.S.A.)

First Off, I'm 24, Recieving Wic, Foodstamps, and assistance for housing through HUD. I am a single mother of a beautiful 20 month old son. I work full time at McDonalds because it's within walking distance of my home. I am trying to go back to college.

I am not uneducated; I am not an ignotant person. There are, however, some people and things I cannot understand. Our President and this "war" are 2 of them.

Now, let it be known that I have nothing but respect and admiration for those who are in the military. My fiance was Army Airborne and was stationed on the DMZ in South Korea right after the First Gulf War.

This War is wrong...

True, those terrorist @#$%es should be punished in a major way for what they have done...but the unplanned, un-mapped invasion that has happened is not the way. "Dubya" just wanted to one-up his old man and finish "Daddy's War."

I am so tired of turning on the news and seeing the name of yet another person who has died. Most of those killed to this point were younger than I am...and I have barely begun my adult life. These people died for a cause they believed was righteous - defending their homes and their families, their country and its people. That I have to admire, but I cannot agree that, at this point in time, our men and women are over there defending our homes, though that is probably why they went. They are being used to protect a people who don't want to be protected. My friend's brother was killed in Iraq for no reason other than that he was trying to keep the peace in an area where American presence was not wanted.

These men and women should be here with their families. They should be holding their children and kissing their loved ones rather than sleeping in their cold graves.

And the defecit being caused by this war is incredible. We had a surplus at the end of the Clinton Administration and now we're what, several trillion in the hole?

There are people in this country who are unable to afford healthcare, to afford adequate housing, along with many other necessities... Why is our country paying a company in another part of the world $5 per round of ammunition (when they could be paying less by going with an American company, like Remington) rather than using that money for education and healthcare for american citizens?

Something is wrong with the world today. People want to do good so badly, but they are doing bad things to achieve good things. We need to focus on ending global poverty, and disease rather than fighting over whose "God" is better than another person's "God."

However we ended up here, we cannot forget that our welfare depends on the welfare of our neighbors. Violence does nothing but create more violence.

Respectfully,
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#115 Consumer Suggestion

I agree with CHARLES 100%

AUTHOR: Joan - (U.S.A.)

Charles is RIGHT about our current administration and the whole BUSH regime.

VOTE DEMOCRATE!

JOAN
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#116 Consumer Comment

Republicans & fox news belong togather

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Republicans & fox news belong togather!, let all the republicans tear down democrats & call us names!, the republicans start all the name calling! then when democrats attack back republicans blame the democrats republicans are crazy!. Even, bill o'riley even don't agree with the republicans on this one he sees them start the attacking & name calling!, just because republicans are power don't give them the right to start name calling & attacking the other side! when the democrats ain't even saying anything or attacking republicans!.
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#117 Consumer Comment

Republicans & fox news belong togather

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Republicans & fox news belong togather!, let all the republicans tear down democrats & call us names!, the republicans start all the name calling! then when democrats attack back republicans blame the democrats republicans are crazy!. Even, bill o'riley even don't agree with the republicans on this one he sees them start the attacking & name calling!, just because republicans are power don't give them the right to start name calling & attacking the other side! when the democrats ain't even saying anything or attacking republicans!.
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#118 Consumer Comment

Republicans & fox news belong togather

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Republicans & fox news belong togather!, let all the republicans tear down democrats & call us names!, the republicans start all the name calling! then when democrats attack back republicans blame the democrats republicans are crazy!. Even, bill o'riley even don't agree with the republicans on this one he sees them start the attacking & name calling!, just because republicans are power don't give them the right to start name calling & attacking the other side! when the democrats ain't even saying anything or attacking republicans!.
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#119 Consumer Comment

Republicans & fox news belong togather

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Republicans & fox news belong togather!, let all the republicans tear down democrats & call us names!, the republicans start all the name calling! then when democrats attack back republicans blame the democrats republicans are crazy!. Even, bill o'riley even don't agree with the republicans on this one he sees them start the attacking & name calling!, just because republicans are power don't give them the right to start name calling & attacking the other side! when the democrats ain't even saying anything or attacking republicans!.
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#120 Consumer Comment

Jon, I agree, I believe we need CHANGE!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

Change is whats coming, I am building my weapons to a great power, in case of a USA invasion. Yes, you heard me right, in case the Government tries to intrude on me. I am a USA Citizen and will fight the government if they try to take my liberties. People need to wake up, our rights and civil liberties are being erased. I will not sit idle as should no-one and I will lead you to victory. I will never trust the politicians ever again.
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#121 Consumer Comment

The Three "Greedy" Stooges (Jeff, Ken & George)

AUTHOR: Jon - (U.S.A.)

Seldom have criminal convictions been more richly deserved. Last week, a Houston jury found both Jeff Skilling and Ken Lay guilty of various crimes they committed while the duo were heading Houston-based Enron Corp. Together they face nearly 200 years in prison.

If there's one word that can explain why Enron failed and why Lay and Skilling are facing long stints in prison jumpsuits, it's this one: hubris.

Enron failed because its leadership failed in paying attention to the most basic elements of business management. And in the case of Enron, that meant carefully managing its cash flow. It may sound mundane, but businesses go bankrupt because they run out of cash. That's exactly what happened at Enron. And the failure to manage the company's cash is directly attributable to Lay and Skilling. Lay was a Ph.D. economist who couldn't read a cash-flow statement. Skilling was a Harvard M.B.A. who once told another Enron employee that cash "didn't matter." Further, both men took enormous amounts of cash out of Enron in order to fund their lavish lifestyles. For Lay, it was $184.5 million in stock sales in the three years before Enron's bankruptcy. Skilling's stock sales amounted to $70.6 million over that same time period. And of course, those figures don't include the millions they got in salary.

The hubris of both men was on display during their trial. During the few days that I spent in the courtroom, both Lay and Skilling displayed airs of untouchability. That was also true of their defense team a crew of lawyers who were paid some $38 million. Skilling's lawyer, Daniel Petrocelli, was a master showman, as was Lay's, Michael Ramsey. But their brazen defense strategy was doomed to fail. They contested the government's case by claiming that everything Enron did was "legal." In many cases, that was true, at least in a technical sense. Enron did comply with most of the accounting laws that governed its activity.

That said, both Lay and Skilling purposely misled investors, bankers, and their own employees. In Lay's case, that resulted in convictions for conspiracy, bank fraud, securities fraud, mail fraud, and making false statements to banks. Skilling was convicted of securities fraud, insider trading, and conspiracy. Lay was the one who went to the Enron board of directors and asked them to approve the crooked, off-balance sheet deals cooked up by the company's chief financial officer, Andrew Fastow. Several times in 2001, at a time when Enron's broadband unit was sinking into the toilet, Skilling made public statements in which he insisted that the unit was not only healthy, it was doing a booming business.

In a broader sense, for watchers of the Bush administration, much of the hubris at Enron should prove disgustingly familiar. Indeed, many of the traits that defined Enron also define this "regime". Listen to these concepts and see if they sound familiar: Enron's executives claimed the old rules didn't apply to them. Enron was going to remake the world in its image. Enron was going to totally dominate its business. Outsiders (or insiders) who disagreed or raised too many questions were viciously maligned. All the while, Enron was plunging ever deeper into debt and cooking the company's books in order to make it appear healthier than it actually was.

The perverse thing about the convictions of Lay and Skilling is that they allow the Bush White House to crow about how zealously it pursues corporate crooks. And in a purely Machiavellian sense, this conviction is a victory for Bush, who just six years ago, as a presidential candidate, was sitting in a box seat at Enron Field watching a Houston Astros game next to his buddy, "Kenny Boy" Lay. Enron watchers can only hope that a few years from now, some of the same smug Bush cronies who have misled the American public on issues ranging from weapons of mass destruction in Iraq to Valerie Plame's employment status to torturing suspects to spying on American citizens will be facing criminal charges of their own.

Former Chronicle staff writer Robert Bryce


BTW - In the past three years I have done my utmost to try an expose the blatant fraud and corruption associated with the Mortgage Servicing Industry. During this period I have contacted almost every Federal agency that is at least in some way responsible for the regulation and/or oversight of the affending companies.

Unfortunately, in almost every case (about 98%) I have gotten the same predictable response when I've asked for assistence or action (which could enclude possible prosecution).

That response was: NOT DURING THIS ADMINISTRATION!

If Bush is truly acting in the best interest of the American People... Someone please tell us who and where these people are, because they are certainly not anywhere near the majority of Americans in this country (no matter which party you ask). Perhaps, it is that top 2-4% of people who control nearly 95% of all financial assets in this country. The same ones who appear to be pulling the strings on a not so bright puppet. Yes, it could be those same people who are in for a very rude awakening soon if justice is truly blind.

But that's just my opinion!
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#122 Consumer Comment

That was great Jimmy

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

You do know the Constitution of the United States does not allow money to be stolen from one person, and handed to another, right?

Bearing that in mind, how will you get your medications?
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#123 Consumer Comment

Bobby, Bobby! Catherine is RIGHT!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

Bobby,

I agree totaly with Catherine and I think you are full of hot air and I must tell you that your Governor will never be elected to President, I can almost certainly promise that. I am counting down the days when we are rid of that drunk, lame excuse of a President(2 and a half years-YEAH)and than the Democrats or Independants will have to put this country back on track and get our troops home. Our country is in bad enough shape where we need a President to take care of our OWN PEOPLE and problems and stop trying to control the world. We need nationwide healthcare, we need more medicaid/medicare for the elderly/sick, we need to STOP the d**n illegal immigration, we need to limit legal immigration, we need to have our troops in our own country and shall only go to war if we are about to be invaded, and I believe that the rich people(corporations should be taxed according to their net worth. The poor have been fed on by the rich long enough. I also believe we need to follow the CONSTITUTION to the letter. I say no to gay marriages, yes to abortion, providing you are 18 or older and if younger than 18 you need a parents signature. I think this country needs help getting out of a root and can use peoples input on how to help, and the fighting should stop among the parties.
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#124 Consumer Comment

What "oops" are you talking about, Katherine?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Are you referring to the one where the Democrat voters were too feeble, or too stupid to figure out how to push a sharp pin through a piece of paper?

That "oops"?

Or, are talking about the "oops" where the Democrats themselves tried repeatedly to eliminate the overseas absentee votes, since they were military voters?

That "oops"?

Or is it the "oops" where the Democrats kept trying to recount ONLY the votes in 5 districts, instead of the entire state, as REQUIRED by law?

Was that the "oops" you're talking about?

BTW, you do know Al Gore has declared we'll all be dead in less than 10 years, don't you. He says it's all because of cars. yep, cars are still more dangerous than nuclear weapons, according to that lunatic. He even has the "death clock" running. When we're all still here when it runs out, will that be another "oops"?
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#125 Consumer Comment

Bush wasn't even really elected the first time around

AUTHOR: Catherine - (U.S.A.)

Doesn't anyone remember the first election of bush when they had the "mishap" in Florida and had to recount the votes...Florida..oh he wouldn't happen to know anyone in florida that holds power over the votes now would he..hmm.? How many other presidential elections have we had to recount the votes due to an oops?? And you supporters of Bush don't see something fishy going on?

Not even mentioning our national debt and how we rebuild countries, give them an education so they have the means and technology to nuke us later on. Oh I suppose that's in the interest of the american people...RIGHT. Wake up people!
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#126 Consumer Suggestion

I disagree, respectfully

AUTHOR: Nicole - (U.S.A.)

Steph, I disagree, respectfully. I am a "liberal" (not really but that is what all the conservatives call me...). I don't "dance" when a soldier dies, I cry. I don't hate Bush and Cheney, I think they are monsters, but I don't know them so I cannot hate them. I do, however, hate (and i mean HATE) Sadaam and bin Laden.

By the way, I know many conservatives who don't like Bush (you know people who consistantly vote Republican and stand by any and every republican value...a conservative). That is because everyone of us (well...most) have our own minds and no one fits completely into one of the "two" molds.

Like me, I hold up republican values, for the most part, but I see a place for social systems, for the most part. I am sort of middle of the road, but you will scream "bleeding heart liberal" and "traitor" because your mind is closed. For that, I pity you.

God Bless America


I support the soldiers...do you?
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#127 Consumer Suggestion

I have to Agree

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

How can the liberals claim they support the troops when their so-called leaders are calling our soldiers cold-blooded killers without the benefit of a trial. these so-called patriots claim that they support our troops but so everything they can to make them look bad in the press without any proof and before an investigation can be completed.

They cried about a rush to judgement when Bill Clinton got impeached (with proof) then what do they call what they are doing? This sounds like the John kerry campaign again.

Can we at least wait until an investigation and the militatry is done with their investigation? Let's charge some of these senators and congressmen with treason if it is proven that their accusations are wrong...........
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#128 Consumer Comment

In ww2

AUTHOR: Steph - (U.S.A.)

Just like we have people that think Saddam is just peachy and we should talk to Bin Laden people felt Hitler was dandy and we should be on his side in the late 30s.

It's simple. Liberals hate Bush and Cheney.

Conservatives hate Bin Laden and Saddam.

And please stop the lie about the sexual predator Clinton only being impeached because he had no morals and got a blow job. He was because he lied about it under Oath.

One thing is we don't know Bush purposely told the things about WMDs. He was going off information he had.

But we do know Clinton purposely lied about Monica.

And please liberals stop lying about supporting the troops. You dance when a soldier dies because winning the 06 election is more important to you than a soldier's life.
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#129 Consumer Comment

Impeachment? No. Impalement!

AUTHOR: Jon - (U.S.A.)

By Will Durst
June 2006 Issue
I don't know about you guys, but I am so sick and tired of these lying, thieving, holier-than-thou, rightwing, cruel, crude, rude, gauche, coarse,
crass, cocky, corrupt, dishonest, debauched, degenerate, dissolute, swaggering, lawyer shooting, bullhorn shouting, infra-structure destroying, buck passing, hysterical, criminal, history defying, finger pointing, puppy
stomping, roommate appointing, pretzel choking, collateral damaging, aspersion casting, wedding party bombing, clear-cutting, torturing, jobs
outsourcing, torture out-sourcing, election fixing, women's rights eradicating, Medicare cutting, uncouth, spiteful, boorish, vengeful,
jingoistic, homophobic, xenophobic, xylophonic, racist, sexist, ageist, fascist, casuist, audaciously stupid, brazenly selfish, lethally ignorant, journalist purchasing, genocide ignoring, corporation kissing, poverty
inducing, crooked, coercive, autocratic, primitive, uppity, high-handed, domineering, arrogant, inhuman, inhumane, inbred, inept, insipid, incapable, incompetent, ineffectual, insolent, insincere, know-it-all, snotty, pompous, contemptuous, supercilious, gutless, spineless, shameless, avaricious,
noxious, poisonous, imperious, merciless, graceless, tactless, brutish, brutal, Karl Roving, backward thinking, persistent vegetative state grandstanding, nuclear option threatening, evolution denying, irony deprived, consciously depraved, conceited, perverted, peremptory invading, thirty-five day vacation taking, bribe soliciting, hellish, smarty pants, loudmouth, bullying, swell headed, ethics eluding, domestic spying, medical marijuana busting, Halliburtoning, narcissistic, undiplomatic, blustering, malevolent, demonizing, Duke Cunninghamming, hectoring, dry drunk, Muslim baiting, hurricane disregarding, oil company hugging, judge packing, science disputing, faith based advocating, armament selling, nonsense spewing, education ravaging, whiny, insane, unscrupulous, lily livered, greedy (exponential factor fifteen), fraudulent, delusional, CIA outing, redistricting, anybody who disagrees with them slandering, fact twisting,
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shredding, oppressive, vulgar, antagonistic, trust funding, non-tipping, tyrannizing, peace hating, water and air and ground and media polluting (which is pretty much all the polluting you can get), deadly, traitorous,
con man, swindling, pernicious, lethal, illegal, haughty, venomous,
virulent, mephitic, egotistic, bloodthirsty, yellowbelly, hypocritical, Oedipal, did I say evil, I'm not sure if I said evil, because I want to make sure I say evil . . . EVIL, cretinus, slime buckets in the Bush Administration that I could just spit. Impeachment? Hell no. Impalement. Upon the sharp and righteous sword of the people's justice. Make it a curtain rod. Because it would hurt more.

Come on now... "pretzel choking" that may be going a little bit too far.
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#130 Consumer Comment

I agree Damon

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I have stated time, and again, that I am a Libertarian. I agree with about 90% of their platform.

The platform is simple. "Do what you want, but don't expect anyone else to pay for your own stupidity". That's it in a nutshell.

If the US Govt would actually follow the Constitution, there would be very little need for taxes at all (we got along great for 150 years or so without them), and no nheed for all the different desk jockeys currently employed by the Feds.

About the only area of contention I have with the Party is with their stand on war. They believe we should only fight if we are attacked. That's great. Nice thought. The problem is, they also believe when we push the enemy off our soil, the fighting should end. That's idiotic. Cops and Judges use that mindset also. If you are attacked, you can defend yourself. If you get your assailant on the ground and commence to stomping him to death, you've crossed the line, and now YOU are the criminal. Again, that's idiotic. The bad guy wouldn't be getting pulverised if he had left you alone.

Sometimes, an Army has to strike first to prevent a much larger problem from happening. Israel did it when they knocked out Iraq's nuclear facilities. Someone should have done it in 1950 when the North Koreans were massing troops. Should be getting ready to take out Iran's facitities. The Libertarian Party is against such pre-emptive strikes. I am not.

As long as too many sheeple continue to think there are only 2 political parties, the Libertarians will always have an uphill fight.

I worked for a guy who said 3rd Party candidates can never win. I asked him if he was a Whig, or a Torrie. He looked at me like I was an idiot. I reminded him those were the original 2 Parties in this Country, and neither exists anymore. They were both replaced by 3rd Party candidates. Real fast history lesson.. if it wasn't for 5 Democrats fighting over the votes, Lincoln never would have won the election. If even ONE of the Democrat candidates had dropped out, Lincoln would have lost. How's that for Karma?
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Prehaps Todd Could Do A Bit More Research Before Critizing Others

Only because Todd seems to have missed it the first time.

For those of you who mistakenly believe, it's unpatriotic to criticize the president,
especially during a period when his own particular administration, in my opinion, is doing its utmost to enslave the American middle class and poor, by perpetuating and acerbating financial debt to the non-working segment of our socity, that of privilege, wealth and greed:

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

President T. Roosevelt May 7, 1918


You may feel perfectly content in having a blind allegiance to a group that has been totally enveloped in corruption and is filled with self-righteous delusions, but I as many others here would prefer to keep my head above the sand.

After all some of us feel as though it is our right as well as our duty as responsible human beings to educate others who may be rather na, less informed or simply too stubborn to see the truth on their own.

If this upsets you, I'm sorry but the truth sometimes hurts.
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#132 Consumer Suggestion

Save the headaches...

AUTHOR: Damon - (U.S.A.)

...register/vote Libertarian.

Wouldn't you want a government that supports and protects its' citizens (instead of overstepping their bounds to regulate everything we do), promotion of private property, protection of civil liberties, low taxation (if any) and the reduction of unnecessary government spending, smaller government bureaucracy, not even a thought of military drafts, "abolishing of all victimless crimes (prostitution, driving without a seatbelt, recreational drug use, etc.)", enjoy the ability to bear arms without government restrictions of gun rights at all levels, and what I feel is most important is a self-regulated free market economy (where we enjoy the fruits of our labor and decide what we want to do with it)?

In hopes of not doing an injustice to the Libertarian Party's platform, ebsite redacted and you may have a better understanding.

So Todd, my constructive criticism not only to the Republican party, also the Democrats, is to apply whatever World view you may have involving these respective political views and put them in the perspective of a Libertarian. See how much easier life can be.

GOD BLESSES!!!
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#133 Consumer Comment

Ron White is correct, and James proves it

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"You can't fix stupid".

Torture at Abu Ghraib? What torture? Playing naked pyramid is not torture. It's embarrassing, nothing else. Standing naked on a stool? Not torture. Having a girl pointing at your doohickey and laughing? That's only torture if you have a tiny one. Most guys I know are only too willing to show it to women. Being guarded by a female? Not torture. All of these happened, and are considered torture by retards.

Lame duck President? Who cares. He's not running again, James. Low approval ratings? Again, who cares? Clinton was in the 34-35 percent range most of his Presidency. Of course, the polls you refer to are the ones done by ABC, NBC, and CBS. They are meaningless. Especially so, since they admit to using a 2/3 majority of Democrat voters vs Republican in the polls. What a shock! When you ask a majority of people who hate Bush, you'll get a poll that shows a majority of people hate Bush. Try looking at the polls that take a 50/50 split among registered voters. The numbers are much higher. Of course, when all you hear all day/night from the big 3 networks is bad news about everything Bush does, and how we're losing a war we already won, I guess you will get low ratings in a poll. The fact that the military won the war, and has done more good than will ever be reported doesn't help the big 3 with their stated goal of NOT saying anything that will help Bush, but say ANYTHING at all that will hurt him...even when it's a lie.

Now, about your silly comment about the military not liking Bush, fat chance. The military is having record numbers of re-enlistments across the board. Normal recruitment was down, but has come back up. So much for your theory about what people in the service think. Of course, you showed your true colors with your comment about the Marines who are accused of murdering civilians. Seditious little runt aren't you? Just because you aren't man enough to sign the paper, try to shut your c--kholster about things you know nothing about. If it wasn't for men like me, you wouldn't even be allowed to run your suckhole about anything. Fortunately for you, you do have the right to say the stupidest, most ignorant things possible.

Ron White said it best. Carlos Mencia added to it when he said "There are too many stupid people...and nothing left to eat them".

Can someone please bring back dinosaurs?
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#134 Consumer Comment

Bush is lowest rated President ever!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

Well Bush followers:

I don't have to like that Bush idiot just because he is the President. I can say what I want, when I want, and there is nothing you, Bush or anyone else can do about that. Bush is at 34% thats pretty sad, and he is considered a lame duck President and Tony Blair is toast as he is done as Prime Minister, he sacrificed himself for Bush.

I will have my opinions and so will other anti-Bush people and to you idiots who support him, go ahead, the majority of his own troops don't like the man. I can't wait to see what happens to the U.S. Marines who slaughtered innocent Iraq civilians last fall. Thank god we have people leaking the truth to reporters so the world can see what is really going on over there. First we had torture at the Iraq prison and now innocent women and children in there own homes slaughtered. The world will eventually rise up against the USA if this non-sense doesn't stop. I will keep voicing my opinions until hell freezes over. Oh, to ALL who want to complain about illegal wiretapping and invasion of privacy caused by Bush and the NSA go to ACLU and file your complaint.
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#135 Consumer Comment

If you don't have the solution - stop complaining

AUTHOR: Todd - (U.S.A.)

I agree with all those that think Steve in Sterling IL is a goof. I am so tired of people ragging on our leader (like that helps and makes him look good in the international community). How quickly we forget the 911 incident. Bush takes office and BAM we are attacked by terrorists in a way that no other country has been attached EVER. What does he do? He takes ACTION. Now since we don't have access to the FBI, CIA, NSA, and other sources for world intellegence we will have to take it on faith that based on this information he is doing the best he can with the information and circumstances at hand.

It is always very amuzing when people offer up their not well thought out options and point out all the things they think the President is doing wrong. But the real interesting part is that all these people do not offer a valid solution or alternative to the current action or if they do, it is so ridiculous.

So if you do not have a well thought out global perspective solution to the problems facing us now (Terrorism, Iraq, Gas Prices) then don't waste anyone's time by spouting off your disgruntled opinions.

Also, especially those with a Military background, if you don't have respect for the man have respect for the office. You may like like your superior, but he is your superior and you will respect that. There is a chain of command system in the military that works and whether you like it or not, the President is also the head of the Military. If you don't have respect for your superiors then you don't respect anyone else either. If you have a better way to organize the Military chain of command or the US government, let's hear it - or just keep your mouth shut.

Has this President done things we don't like, has he made mistakes, could he perhaps do better? The answer is maybe and yes. But this would also be the answer to these questions if they were asked about anyone in a role like the President of the United States.

Would leaving Iraq saev lives of our soldiers there still getting killed? Yes. Does it make sense to pack up and just leave? No. Iraq would quickly fall back into its previous state of govenment and some other crazy dude like Sadam would like step up and take power and the cycle would begin again. So until there is a viable answer, why don't you offer positive suggestions and alternatives rather than sitting back bashing. Oh but that's right, you would have to think about your response instead of just blurting out some negative comments.

One major thing Steve in Sterling IL and others that agree with Steve need to ask themselves is whether they want to be part of the solution or part of the problem. Bitching and complaining is jsut being part of the problem. Offering well thought out constructive criticism is much more helpful and interestly enough a right we have in this country that you would not dare do in most others and a mojor reason why we have soldiers deployed where they are deployed.

Everytime you bash the President about stuff you demeaning the efforts of our incredibly brave soldiers who are defending your right to comlain and your right to live in a free coutry. If you dislike the President so much and are that disgruntled the great thing about a free country is that you are also free to leave it. MOVE! Try someplace nice like Pakastan, Iran, Syria, Afghanistan or some other nice country surrounded by crazy dictators and terrorists.
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#136 Consumer Comment

What is it about this appointment that has you in such a tiff James?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

The CIA is 59 years old. It has had 3 ACTIVE DUTY military members as Director during that time. It now has it's 4th, with the confirmation this morning of General Hayden. Admiral Stansfield Turner was the previous one, under President Carter. I've compiled a list for you of all the former CIA heads that were military members.

* Navy Rear Adm. Roscoe Hillenkoetter (May 1, 1947 to Oct. 7, 1950).

* Army Gen. Walter Bedell Smith (Oct. 7, 1950 to Feb. 9, 1953).

* Navy Adm. Stansfield Turner (March 9, 1977 to Jan. 20, 1981); Turner retired from the Navy while CIA director.

Three other military men have held the title of central intelligence director but either did not serve as CIA director or were not active-duty officers while in charge of the agency.

* Navy Rear Adm. Sidney Souers (Jan. 23, 1946 to June 10, 1946) and Army Lt. Gen. Hoyt Vandenberg (June 10, 1946 to May 1, 1947) oversaw intelligence before Congress created the CIA.

* Navy Vice Adm. William Raborn (April 28, 1965 to June 30, 1966) had already retired from the military when he became CIA director.

Now, I ask you, does ANYONE notice the same thing I do about this list? No? Okay, I'll tell you. EVERY one of these men was nominated and appointed by a DEMOCRAT President. The only difference between these guys and General Hayden is the guy who appointed him.

You Rabid Bush Haters just cannot get a break, can you? All that matters is your hatred for the current President. Nothing else matters, especially facts, or principles.

Now, James...I'll ask you politely...EXACTLY what is it about this appointment that has you in such a tiff?
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#137 Consumer Comment

Lot's of naive Bush followers!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

Bush is a GREAT President and a wonderful man, I just love this guy, My a*s I can't stand that little p***k. Bush hasn't done s**t for this country but cause chaos and fighting amongst it's citizens. Bush rigged elections, he lied to invade a sovereign nation for their oil, hiked gas prices, was awol in the guard, allows illegal immigrants to become citizens, spies on the citizens of this once great country-through wiretaps without court orders,e-mails, phone records, and who knows the other methods he is using. I know one thing, if General Hayden a military general is appointed head of the C.I.A. our liberties are gone for sure. It is a clear conflict of interest in appointing a military man into a position of a post like that. We are missing our checks and balances system that ensures that one government agency doesn't get to powerful. The Republicans control the Presidency, House, and Senate, and of course Bushs' appointed attorney general, and if Hayden is appointed head of C.I.A. Bush will have total CONTROL! It is too late to stop Bush as he becomes the President to make U.S.A. a POLICE NATION!
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#138 Consumer Comment

What your or my opinion is......is moot!

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Robert,

I really dont care if he will get off or not. I just DONT care.

Just as we got into it because of Circuit City capacity to sell microwaves. I just pointed out that they do, this is the same.

You asked....I gave.

Your welcome.

Toodles!
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#139 Consumer Comment

You make me sleepy, Ben

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I am yawning as I write this, having just returned from a 500 mile trip bringing back more equipment and a racecar, from my home in NC.

The indictment is worthless, and DeLay will be exonerated. The DA is a political hack who goes after anyone who is a Republican. He does the exact same thing he alleges DeLay did. Tom DeLay is accused of violating Texas campaign finance laws. Big deal. This will be just one more waste of the taxpayers money out there.

The reality is this. The GOP set up rules that required anyone who is indicted on anything, to immediately step down from leadership positions. You Dems got him out of the Speaker's Chair. Good job. If that's what you're pinning your hopes and dreams on, you'll be surprised when it doesn't come true.
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#140 Consumer Comment

OH! By all means then.....

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

"Such a law exists, of course. But nobody enforces it."


Oh......well in that case.....by all means please spy on us.

I guess that makes it ok!


(I guess thats what the KKK said for the first 100 years after the Civil War when they persecuted blacks)


Spy away Mr.President. Laws only matter when they are enforced.

I just wonder.......who decides what gets enforced or not.

Could it be....our....politicians? Hmmmmm.


Something tells me that blowjobs are not illegal. And if they are....the law is not being enforced. Thus....its O.K.

I wonder how many other things out there that have laws against them that I COULD be doing right now.

Maybe I'll use that excuse when I get pulled over for having no license plate on the front of my car. After all, California just gave the cops the ability to pull you over for the missing plate instead of needing other reasons first. Perhaps if I get caught I can just say.....

"Well who cares if its a law.....you didnt enforce it before!"

That should be my "Get out of Jail Free" card.


(actually I just threw my front plate in the front windshield.....before a certain someone uses this as some bizzare angle to go off on a delusional tangent.....again. Just an EXAMPLE Robert....calm down before you break a typing finger)
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#141 Consumer Comment

Felony? Delay? Non-Crime?

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Robert asks....

"Please name the felony Tom DeLay is accused of committing."

Ok Robert.....

Now if for some reason the editor decides that he wont post the link I just gave then you can just goto the Smoking Gun website yourself. And you will have to take it up with him YOURSELF!

It has complete SCANS of the original FELONY CONSPIRECY INDICTMENT documents.

But Im sure you will just ignore this like you dodge everything else.

What will it be this time Robert? Discredit Smoking Gun? Discredit the scans? Discredit me?

Or will you just make up a completely different subject and see how far you can run with it hoping people will forget that you asked a stupid question like "show me what he is accused of!"?


CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.
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#142 Consumer Comment

Excuse me?

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

He is the President of the United States, the most powerful man in the world.

He should uphold the Constitution more so, than anyone.
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So Bush is "Spying on the American People"... uhm.. So is Virgin Records, silly.

AUTHOR: Nick - (U.S.A.)

I saw this several times by someone in Tupper, and again by someone else:

"By having the NAS eavesdrop on Americans without a signed court order, which was ruled against by the Supreme Court during the Nixon era (You all remember Tricky d**k don't you? Another fine Republican!), he is in direct violation of the fourth amendmant."

Such a law exists, of course. But nobody enforces it.

If this is REALLY such a terrible and impeachable offense, why do we allow the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) do EXACTLY the same thing EVERY DAY to private citizens?

Remember Napster? Sueing people who download what MIGHT or MIGHT NOT be "illegal" music? Forcing ISPs to turn over customer information on an IP address without a court order in an attempt to file a lawsuit?

Why is the MUSIC INDUSTRY collecting thousands of dollars every day in bogas "settlements" in the same manner that the Bush Administration is filtering out terrorists - yet come to the conclusion that filtering out terrorists is "wrong" and remaining silent on that same right when trampled by a bunch of lawyers?
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#144 Consumer Comment

I know I'll be sorry for asking this, but... name the felony Tom DeLay is accused of

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Please name the felony Tom DeLay is accused of committing. This should be very interesting, considering he is charged with committing a non-crime. Go for it Charles. Maybe he and Scooter Libby can both sit at the same defendant's table. He has been charged with the same thing...committing no crime.
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#145 Consumer Comment

Why is bush terminating everybody in his office

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Why is bush firing everyone in his office, because he is a republican regean did the same exacte thing he fired everyone in his staff to the devil. Just ignore the bush fans about clinton being a felon sense republicans are the felons who always commits their crimes & always gets away with it, like tom delay who commited a felony all republicans walk with their felonies they commit. Look @ the organized crime bush & cheney have made with the oil & more americans spending more for gas!.
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#146 Consumer Suggestion

Good quote

AUTHOR: Nick - (U.S.A.)

Jon:
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
President T. Roosevelt May 7, 1918



I agree, criticism and open discussion is ALL-AMERICAN in my opinion. Even if what you say disgusts me, you have a right to say it. I, in turn, have the right to think that you are crazy for coming to a different conclusion. (Not that I direct that to YOU personally, but in general).

What I found interesting was that "nothing but the truth should be spoken of him" part. You don't see a lot of truth, or ANY SORT of "victory" (even small ones!) being reported. When is THAT going to happen?

I think what bothers me most is that while we may not agree domestically on an issue, it doesn't mean we should go buy plane tickets and trumpet our disagreement with the President in other countries, only to fly home and hide under the blanket of freedom that only this country can provide, like those dopey too-rich-with-nothing-better-to-do Hollywood types we have. Alec Baldwin and his gang of idiots.

We have the ability to change our laws - one of the few countries in the world that can do that. Why blast our form of Democra... errr.. Republic to people who are looking for a news story? It makes the war effort harder to win, but I guess since that makes Bush look like an idiot, its a win win situation,right?

I give my liberal friends on the other side the benefit of the doubt that you REALLY don't swallow the BS spread by Michael Moore, Streisand, ANSWER or Sheehan any more than you expect me to blindly follow and trumped Bush. Disagreement with the President doesn't automatically mean hatred - it means that you'd have handled it differently.

I was no fan of Clinton, but you know, blasting the whole dirty intern issue was really unnecessary, ESPECIALLY outside of being a domestic issue.

So here's a little truth. We made a big deal in the news about losing 2000 soldiers since the war started:

We lost 295,000 in WW2 and Vietnam we lost over 58,000.

For our 2000 soldiers lost, millions of people in the Middle East are no longer threatened under Saddam for crimes such as genocide, rape, murder - ALL state/religion sponsored. So where is THAT point made? It's not. All we talk about is some kid who was killed by crossfire, or a village that we weren't able to save in a sabotage.

Where are the "freedom FROM religion" people denouncing the middle east for having laws directly aligned with the Ko'ran that FORCE people to believe a specific religion? Where are the Anti-10 Commandment's people, who feel that freedom FROM religion is a key issue to a better society? (It might actually WORK for the BETTER in the middle east!)

Where are the feminists to denounce the burkah laws, submission to men and fight for women rights?

Where are the child advocates for the kids who get limbs lopped off for stealing candy?

Answer: They're all enjoying America, no need to help, thank you very much.

You would THINK that these groups have a vested interest, but since it's BUSH, and any support given would be an admission of participation, or worse, result in a SUCCESS for human rights that could one-day be construed as Bush being involved... well, no, we'll be at Starbucks with our frappe' if you have any other questions.
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#147 Consumer Comment

It Must Be a Miracle!

AUTHOR: Jon - (U.S.A.)

Nick: Wow! There's a conservative here who speaks my language. Not to imply that I'm not at all conservative myself. But it's quite seldom that I find a true conservative that I can agree with, well more than 20% anyway. Actually, I never would have guessed I'd ever agree with anyone who's from Hollywood, conservative or not.

Vera: Two surprises in one day... After all, in the past you haven't been able to state my name without following up quickly with some sort of a derogatory comment.

Just kidding, even though it's nearly true. Thanks!

Hopefully, we can all find more that we can agree upon.

Good day to you all!
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#148 Consumer Comment

How about that...someone OTHER than James or Charles has something to say...

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Finally, it's nice not to see the Reports get a "bump" by the canned commentary issued (more like regurgitated)forth by James or Charles.

Jon---I may not agree with your opinions in many cases, but at least what you have to say has some level of intelligent weight and seems to be based in something other than opinion alone.

And Nick....

"Airline Safety A+ My privates get roughed up every time, and my sperm are gagging from the thermo-electric static hand-wand they use. I think I'm starting to like it."

Haa-hahahahahahahahahahahhhh!! Good stuff! That one bought tears. Heheh!

Outside of the giggles, you're right in that anyone who might have conservative views would be scratching their head over Bush's apparent swelling of Government. Also, he was a better option than Gore or Kerry...the whole "familliar ground" thing.

Just touching on the Gore-ida issue...it's interesting that the world seems to blame the "slow folks of Florida" for not being able to count, and completely ignore the fact that it was the MEDIA that called in the victory for Gore.

Add to that the constant interference of Mr. Gore himself, or through his goons, kept delaying and re-starting, fiddling and fillibustering, and demanding re-counts. As if that didn't cause problems in and of itself.

The only news channel that predicted that it looked as though Bush would win was Fox-news...and they were mainly running averages.

But we know how the Lefties will see it---it wasn't that their candidate was in the least an unscrupulous type, or a crybaby...it was that Bush and Company were crooks, and they stole the election.

Never mind what the US Supreme Court, and mountains of evidence had to say; Bush was a crooked guy.

Why, you'd think we'd put a felon in the White House!

Oh, wait...didn't that already happen, with Clinton? *:/
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#149 Consumer Comment

Bleeding Liberals Please Vent Errory Anda Puffings Site

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

If your beloved President Bill [slick willy] Clinton had done his job as President and paid half as much attention to Iraq as he did getting his willy slickened by at least one intern he could have prevented the whole situation.

The best summary of his total failure can be seen in The National Geographic presentation 'Inside9/11: War on America'

I will admit that before seeing this presentation I was a strong President George W. Bush supporter and that I did feel President Clinton was much more responsible for the Iraq War. I was shocked to learn that from January 1992 until January 2001 that President Clinton had many more opportunites to stop OBL and Al Qaeda than I had previously believed.

I am a verteran of military service, been there done that, so I'll ignore before hand all of you whiney biney ploy that want to suggest I put my money where my mouth is: My Country love it or leave it. I love my country and will be staying. When will the rest of you be leaving?
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#150 Consumer Comment

Bleeding Liberals Please Vent Errory Anda Puffings Site

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

If your beloved President Bill [slick willy] Clinton had done his job as President and paid half as much attention to Iraq as he did getting his willy slickened by at least one intern he could have prevented the whole situation.

The best summary of his total failure can be seen in The National Geographic presentation 'Inside9/11: War on America'

I will admit that before seeing this presentation I was a strong President George W. Bush supporter and that I did feel President Clinton was much more responsible for the Iraq War. I was shocked to learn that from January 1992 until January 2001 that President Clinton had many more opportunites to stop OBL and Al Qaeda than I had previously believed.

I am a verteran of military service, been there done that, so I'll ignore before hand all of you whiney biney ploy that want to suggest I put my money where my mouth is: My Country love it or leave it. I love my country and will be staying. When will the rest of you be leaving?
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#151 Consumer Comment

Bleeding Liberals Please Vent Errory Anda Puffings Site

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

If your beloved President Bill [slick willy] Clinton had done his job as President and paid half as much attention to Iraq as he did getting his willy slickened by at least one intern he could have prevented the whole situation.

The best summary of his total failure can be seen in The National Geographic presentation 'Inside9/11: War on America'

I will admit that before seeing this presentation I was a strong President George W. Bush supporter and that I did feel President Clinton was much more responsible for the Iraq War. I was shocked to learn that from January 1992 until January 2001 that President Clinton had many more opportunites to stop OBL and Al Qaeda than I had previously believed.

I am a verteran of military service, been there done that, so I'll ignore before hand all of you whiney biney ploy that want to suggest I put my money where my mouth is: My Country love it or leave it. I love my country and will be staying. When will the rest of you be leaving?
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#152 Consumer Comment

George W. Bush, is almost as bad than President Johnson!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

I have seen good Presidents, and I have seen horrible ones. Unfortunately, I wasn't around for John Kennedys Presidency, but I have seen about 6 movies showing his life. He was a good man and leader. Bush is a war monger, making MILLIONS from the increase of oil prices to the AMERICAN People. He has disregard for HUMAN LIFE. I see him as an oil executive making millions off our expense! I think George Walker Bush is the WORST President in U.S.A. history. I would love to impeach him but the rich stole the election twice. Bush PIG is almost done his term anyway.
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#153 Consumer Suggestion

Another question...

AUTHOR: Nick - (U.S.A.)

Charles said:

I'll say what I have to say on this website & then I move on, If people ignore me fine I have been told this many times before but I will continue what I have to say & post on here. I will say what I have to say & ignore everyone insults.

Well, Charles. For F***s Sake, please say SOMETHING besides:

1. How you won't listen to Republicans...
2. Fox News - however THAT is relevant to anything..
3. You don't give a 's**t' about what anyone says
4. Your 'pig' namecalling
5. Your yahoo chat experiences.

However, that said, I thank you for your service in agreeing in another thread that Todd from S. Carolina was a complete liar. If we only ever agree on that, well, at least we have something.

I voted for Bush. Twice. Gore was intolerable with his "deconstructing of the internal combustion engine" (ie: getting rid of your CAR), and Kerry was just as arrogant and was as much of a liar as Bush. We already knew what an a*s Bush was. We didn't want to get used to a newer, bigger a*s like Kerry.

I just wanted to see what other unintelligent things could possibly come from the mouth of GW. Let me tell you, he is doing NO favors for us "conservatives" who want less government, lower taxes, less state funding, and state-level freedoms. "No Child Left Behind" is a joke - might as well have done the Motor Voter Bill. Immigration is a joke, as millions pour across the border with little or no consequence.

Bush gets:
Safety: F
Immigration: F
Terrorism: F
Civil Rights: F
Oil profits: F
Religious Revisionish: F
War progress: F
Exit Strategy: F
Airline Safety A+ My privates get roughed up every time, and my sperm are gagging from the thermo-electric static hand-wand they use. I think I'm starting to like it.

While I'm disappointed as a conservative, I'm not really bothered, since Kerry would have likely done the same exact thing if someone had hit him a few times with the truth stick. And had Kerry gotten an A+ on environment issues (like I'm sure he would have), we'd all be screwed. I'm used to this crap. Look at our senators in CA. Bleaugh.
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#154 Consumer Comment

Criticism of the President

AUTHOR: Jon - (U.S.A.)

For those of you who mistakenly believe, it's unpatriotic to criticize the most corrupt president in American history:

"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."

President T. Roosevelt May 7, 1918

When everything is going so blatantly wrong, I just can't believe there are still people out there that simply refuse to accept the truth.
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#155 Consumer Comment

George W. Bush should be impeached!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

George W. Bush has involved us in a FALSE WAR involving weapons of mass destruction. He also has lied to The American People! There were NO weapons of mass destruction. George W. Bush now has the U.S.A. spying illegally on ALL citizens of the USA. Bush is so worse than Richard Nixon, but he has the FAMILY POWER! George H. Bush was C.I.A. HEAD MAN, during John Fitzgerald Kennedys days!The CIA was involved in Kennedys death
so my theory shows corruption
Bush's were involved in death and corruption
They killed Kennedy and had it covered up! The Bush Family is too RICH

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I will say that the people of our great country are the ones that elected Bush. Since we elected him I think we should support him (isn't that what we are suppose to do). Everyone does things that someone else doesn't agree with and if we posted everything on this website we didn't like about someone it would crash. If you go into the service you know that at one time or another you will be fighting for something you don't think is right. Opinions are like assholes everyone has one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I will say that the people of our great country are the ones that elected Bush. Since we elected him I think we should support him (isn't that what we are suppose to do). Everyone does things that someone else doesn't agree with and if we posted everything on this website we didn't like about someone it would crash. If you go into the service you know that at one time or another you will be fighting for something you don't think is right. Opinions are like assholes everyone has one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I will say that the people of our great country are the ones that elected Bush. Since we elected him I think we should support him (isn't that what we are suppose to do). Everyone does things that someone else doesn't agree with and if we posted everything on this website we didn't like about someone it would crash. If you go into the service you know that at one time or another you will be fighting for something you don't think is right. Opinions are like assholes everyone has one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I will say that the people of our great country are the ones that elected Bush. Since we elected him I think we should support him (isn't that what we are suppose to do). Everyone does things that someone else doesn't agree with and if we posted everything on this website we didn't like about someone it would crash. If you go into the service you know that at one time or another you will be fighting for something you don't think is right. Opinions are like assholes everyone has one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#160 Consumer Comment

We all know Bush isn't perfect-neither is Clinton

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

And Charles you say the same things everytime you get on here and report. We all know Bush isn't perfect-neither is Clinton (so am I just saying Clinton isn't perfect-No I'm saying neither of them are), but you just keep ranting the same Bull everytime you get on here. Know matter who is in office Knowone will ever be happy. But again I will look for someone who has a little bit of morals. You judge Bush because maybe he's not doing the best job-but he did something right he will have been in office for 8 years. He's not perfect, but I think he has better moral character than some of the presidents we have had in office and I'm sorry to say Clinton's morals were way down in the Gutter. But of course you are probably one of those people who say "What he did with another woman is none of our business" Bull, it is if he's running our country and it sure says alot about his character. I want a president who is a christian and lives his life as such and will turn this country into a strong, moral country. Not one where some of the presidents closest friends are of the Hollywood type-who most of them are about as moral as the devil himself. Knowone is perfect, but we should all strive to be like JESUS CHRIST-and I'm not saying George Bush is anywhere near that, because none of us will ever be-but we should at least try. Morality in this country is more important to me than anything else, because again as I have stated before-not the President or anyone else in this world is going to determine where I go when I die-it will be Jesus Christ and our Father God and that matters most to me, because we have no idea how much time we have left in this world and i want to go out knowing i lived my life for God and Christ, and that means voting for someone (down the road) who will say "I will stand against abortion, the Homosexual lifestyle, the porn shops, the prostitutuion, the strip clubs etc. and mean it" It will probably never happen because unfortunately we live in a very corrupt world-thanks to that little guy we call satan-He's running amuck in this world. So I would worry more about this than who's running our country.
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If people who are agaisnt bush should be introuble then people who say negative things about clinton should be put in jail

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

If people should get introuble for questioning the bush white house then people should be introuble for the bad & negative things they say about clinton. Because I am tired of all the bickering from the republican side & fox news insulting each other!,
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#162 Consumer Comment

You're the one that keeps saying the same things

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

Charles you are the one that keeps saying the same things. If you don't feel democrats or liberal democrats are this way, why even bring it up? You must feel there is some truth to it. It seems you are trying to add fuel to the fire. You can keep blaming everything on the President and it won't change anything you keep wanting to blame him for. Why don't you run for office? But of course I imagine you will say I don't have the money.

Well since Clinton was a democrat (and you seem to say all democrats are poor and can't afford much-because of all republicans) I wonder how Clinton ran for office and stayed in office for 8 years? I would have to say that puts him in the same category as Bush-He has money. I feel bad for you because you seem to think you're so knowlegable, well if you are, bring hard proof of everything you claim the President is doing wrong.

I suppose someone that is a Historian can go back through the 8 years Clinton was in office and find all the secretive things he did wrong. At least any mistakes Bush may be making or may have made are not swept under the rug, but again that's because most of the media is politically more liberal and democrats. Pretty Sad. Well God Bless in your life, you need Gods blessings.
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#163 Consumer Comment

Nobody has rights anymore

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Today nobody dares to speak out agaisnt our leadership of george w. bush or the republicans incontrol, we get called leftiest pigs, traitors & we get accused of hating america which something republicans have made up to get americans agaisnt the democrat party. We get accused of commiting treasen if we bash bush or say any negative things about him or the republican leadership, well I get tired of the far right pigs on foxnews hannity, & o'reily trying to force us what we should think or say like the people on this forum like robert are trying to do, we live in a free society & we don't have to watch fox news I have not watched fox news in over 2 years because of all the bitching & ridcule from the republican pigs like hannity & o'reily who gets mad if anyone says anything negative about bush but we are suppose to just sit back & not say nothing when hannity & the rest of the fox news pigs still continue to speak out negative things about clinton, again they think they are the only ones who are allowed to speak their mind cause their republicans about the former president bill clinton, & we are just suppose to sit back & not say a word cause were democrats & how fox news is trying to control everybody & not let them speak their mind like they are allowed to do to them if anybody dares to question the republican leadership we all belong in jail & let them to continue to bash & insult our former president bill clinton. Republicans are just pissed! cause we do not support bush & we will never support him! & we will continue to say negative things about bush & we will never agree with bush! that is our freedom & fox news & the rest of the thugs from fox news like hannity & o'reily are trying to take away our rights has american citizen as well has republicans are trying to take away our rights to live free!.
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#164 Consumer Comment

Nobody has rights anymore

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Today nobody dares to speak out agaisnt our leadership of george w. bush or the republicans incontrol, we get called leftiest pigs, traitors & we get accused of hating america which something republicans have made up to get americans agaisnt the democrat party. We get accused of commiting treasen if we bash bush or say any negative things about him or the republican leadership, well I get tired of the far right pigs on foxnews hannity, & o'reily trying to force us what we should think or say like the people on this forum like robert are trying to do, we live in a free society & we don't have to watch fox news I have not watched fox news in over 2 years because of all the bitching & ridcule from the republican pigs like hannity & o'reily who gets mad if anyone says anything negative about bush but we are suppose to just sit back & not say nothing when hannity & the rest of the fox news pigs still continue to speak out negative things about clinton, again they think they are the only ones who are allowed to speak their mind cause their republicans about the former president bill clinton, & we are just suppose to sit back & not say a word cause were democrats & how fox news is trying to control everybody & not let them speak their mind like they are allowed to do to them if anybody dares to question the republican leadership we all belong in jail & let them to continue to bash & insult our former president bill clinton. Republicans are just pissed! cause we do not support bush & we will never support him! & we will continue to say negative things about bush & we will never agree with bush! that is our freedom & fox news & the rest of the thugs from fox news like hannity & o'reily are trying to take away our rights has american citizen as well has republicans are trying to take away our rights to live free!.
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#165 Consumer Comment

Nobody has rights anymore

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Today nobody dares to speak out agaisnt our leadership of george w. bush or the republicans incontrol, we get called leftiest pigs, traitors & we get accused of hating america which something republicans have made up to get americans agaisnt the democrat party. We get accused of commiting treasen if we bash bush or say any negative things about him or the republican leadership, well I get tired of the far right pigs on foxnews hannity, & o'reily trying to force us what we should think or say like the people on this forum like robert are trying to do, we live in a free society & we don't have to watch fox news I have not watched fox news in over 2 years because of all the bitching & ridcule from the republican pigs like hannity & o'reily who gets mad if anyone says anything negative about bush but we are suppose to just sit back & not say nothing when hannity & the rest of the fox news pigs still continue to speak out negative things about clinton, again they think they are the only ones who are allowed to speak their mind cause their republicans about the former president bill clinton, & we are just suppose to sit back & not say a word cause were democrats & how fox news is trying to control everybody & not let them speak their mind like they are allowed to do to them if anybody dares to question the republican leadership we all belong in jail & let them to continue to bash & insult our former president bill clinton. Republicans are just pissed! cause we do not support bush & we will never support him! & we will continue to say negative things about bush & we will never agree with bush! that is our freedom & fox news & the rest of the thugs from fox news like hannity & o'reily are trying to take away our rights has american citizen as well has republicans are trying to take away our rights to live free!.
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#166 Consumer Comment

Robert you are sad

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Don't anybody pay any attention to robert either, because him & all the other bush supporters are here to insult democrats nobody can post their opinion because of people like robert, who like to insult call peoples names & ect.!. This were not fine before I got here!, I read all post on this website about bush supporterts bashing & insulting other people who spoke agaisnt bush calling us democrat pigs & every name in the book & I had to step in because I was sick off, bush supporters trying to control everybody & about what they had to say like in yahoo chat rooms. I don't go in yahoo chat rooms because of all the abuse from bush supporters & all the harassment! in chat rooms & insults bush supporters say in yahoo chat rooms, its the samething on here like in yahoo chat rooms with people like robert insulting people calling us pigs & telling us to get out of the united states!. Just, because we don't agree with bush or hate or dislike bush does not mean we hate america! or traitors! the real people who hate america is republicans with all their illegal crimes they are doing in the white house & in congress, republicans & the bush white house have destroyed everything that this nation has stood for!.
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#167 Consumer Comment

Gina, don't bother with Charles

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

As has been pointed out repeatedly to no avail, everyone got along fine with no problems before he showed up. Charles immediately began insulting anyone and everyone who had anything to say that wasn't derogatory about Bush.

Read all of the other rants from that guy, and you'll understand the issue. He's a nut.

Now, he says he is tired of everyne insulting each other. Again Charles, YOU are the only one doing it. Up your meds.
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#168 Consumer Comment

Like the pot calling the kettle black

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

I think you should take your own advice charles. Your the one that keeps getting back on here and saying negative things about the president. I have stated on many occasions-1. KNOWONE SAID PRESIDENT BUSH IS PERFECT AND FREE FROM MISTAKES. 2. BUSH LIKE ALL OTHER PRESIDENTS (INCLUDING CLINTON) HAS MADE MISTAKES. So don't tell me we're just getting on here bashing democrats, you are the one that is bashing all republicans because you seem to think you have keen insight on everything. So if your fed up why do you keep getting back on here doing the same thing?
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#169 Consumer Comment

I can't take it anymore

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Never discuss politics with anyone on the web or in your work place! because of all the IGNORANT people in the united states its a way to void confirmation, arguing, & insults, because as you read responses to these reports agaisnt george w. its not a good idea to discuss which party you are for because its starts with everybody insulting each other & bashing! each other calling names ect. So please do not discuss who you like to president because it can lead to an all right dirty war with people insulting each other & calling every name in the book!. Has you see in many reports on this website how people react to what you say about george w. bush & if people say they are a democrat again another war of insults!, so please if you cannot respect anybody don't discuss your which party your in because it always leads to a dead in!. If you don't want any fights, with anybody on any party don't discuss you you like to be president or who you want in office because it always leads to fights & insults as you can see in previous so don't discuss anything with anyone to avoid being insulted if you a democrat, or support kerry you will get abused & called names.
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#170 Consumer Comment

I can't take it anymore

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Never discuss politics with anyone on the web or in your work place! because of all the IGNORANT people in the united states its a way to void confirmation, arguing, & insults, because as you read responses to these reports agaisnt george w. its not a good idea to discuss which party you are for because its starts with everybody insulting each other & bashing! each other calling names ect. So please do not discuss who you like to president because it can lead to an all right dirty war with people insulting each other & calling every name in the book!. Has you see in many reports on this website how people react to what you say about george w. bush & if people say they are a democrat again another war of insults!, so please if you cannot respect anybody don't discuss your which party your in because it always leads to a dead in!. If you don't want any fights, with anybody on any party don't discuss you you like to be president or who you want in office because it always leads to fights & insults as you can see in previous so don't discuss anything with anyone to avoid being insulted if you a democrat, or support kerry you will get abused & called names.
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#171 Consumer Comment

I can't take it anymore

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Never discuss politics with anyone on the web or in your work place! because of all the IGNORANT people in the united states its a way to void confirmation, arguing, & insults, because as you read responses to these reports agaisnt george w. its not a good idea to discuss which party you are for because its starts with everybody insulting each other & bashing! each other calling names ect. So please do not discuss who you like to president because it can lead to an all right dirty war with people insulting each other & calling every name in the book!. Has you see in many reports on this website how people react to what you say about george w. bush & if people say they are a democrat again another war of insults!, so please if you cannot respect anybody don't discuss your which party your in because it always leads to a dead in!. If you don't want any fights, with anybody on any party don't discuss you you like to be president or who you want in office because it always leads to fights & insults as you can see in previous so don't discuss anything with anyone to avoid being insulted if you a democrat, or support kerry you will get abused & called names.
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#172 Consumer Comment

I can't take it anymore

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Never discuss politics with anyone on the web or in your work place! because of all the IGNORANT people in the united states its a way to void confirmation, arguing, & insults, because as you read responses to these reports agaisnt george w. its not a good idea to discuss which party you are for because its starts with everybody insulting each other & bashing! each other calling names ect. So please do not discuss who you like to president because it can lead to an all right dirty war with people insulting each other & calling every name in the book!. Has you see in many reports on this website how people react to what you say about george w. bush & if people say they are a democrat again another war of insults!, so please if you cannot respect anybody don't discuss your which party your in because it always leads to a dead in!. If you don't want any fights, with anybody on any party don't discuss you you like to be president or who you want in office because it always leads to fights & insults as you can see in previous so don't discuss anything with anyone to avoid being insulted if you a democrat, or support kerry you will get abused & called names.
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#173 Consumer Comment

So all republicans are rich?

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

So Charles you really live in your own world. I am not rich. My husband is a mechanic and we decided when I had our daughter I would stay at home with her and my oldest one. We have a house that is about a 100 years old and only one car that is a 1995 Dodge Neon and we live paycheck to paycheck. How peoples lives go, depends on how they choose to make it go. I have not noticed any financial changes in my situation from the time Clinton was in office til now. So to say "Oh all Republicans are for the rich" is definitely not true. We are in charge of our own destinys and to blame the president for all your problems is a cop-out!. My life financially has been the same since I've been on my own, because of choices I made, if I had decided to go into the Military full-time instead of the National Guard when I did, I probably would have owned my own home and had a decent car years ago. But I chose to sacrifice those things for what was most important to me-My kids. And if you watched T.V. a couple of weekends ago, John Stossel had a report on called Myths, Facts and Lies (something along those lines) and according to them, Gas is actually cheaper than it was 20 years ago. They said you have to look at inflation, and that all affects how things are. So 20 years ago, compared to today-Gas was more. I think you just like to have something to complain about. I will bet we will have a Democrat in office the next term and I will gurantee for most Americans financially things will not change-people will just want to argue about more crap and complain. As I said we are in charge of our own destinys, I know since I am a christian and follow what God wants me to do and what his word wants me do-that is how my life is and has become better. You're blaming everything on one MAN-when you should be looking to GOD for peace and a good life. GOD BLESS YOU!
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#174 Consumer Comment

So all republicans are rich?

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

So Charles you really live in your own world. I am not rich. My husband is a mechanic and we decided when I had our daughter I would stay at home with her and my oldest one. We have a house that is about a 100 years old and only one car that is a 1995 Dodge Neon and we live paycheck to paycheck. How peoples lives go, depends on how they choose to make it go. I have not noticed any financial changes in my situation from the time Clinton was in office til now. So to say "Oh all Republicans are for the rich" is definitely not true. We are in charge of our own destinys and to blame the president for all your problems is a cop-out!. My life financially has been the same since I've been on my own, because of choices I made, if I had decided to go into the Military full-time instead of the National Guard when I did, I probably would have owned my own home and had a decent car years ago. But I chose to sacrifice those things for what was most important to me-My kids. And if you watched T.V. a couple of weekends ago, John Stossel had a report on called Myths, Facts and Lies (something along those lines) and according to them, Gas is actually cheaper than it was 20 years ago. They said you have to look at inflation, and that all affects how things are. So 20 years ago, compared to today-Gas was more. I think you just like to have something to complain about. I will bet we will have a Democrat in office the next term and I will gurantee for most Americans financially things will not change-people will just want to argue about more crap and complain. As I said we are in charge of our own destinys, I know since I am a christian and follow what God wants me to do and what his word wants me do-that is how my life is and has become better. You're blaming everything on one MAN-when you should be looking to GOD for peace and a good life. GOD BLESS YOU!
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#175 Consumer Comment

So all republicans are rich?

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

So Charles you really live in your own world. I am not rich. My husband is a mechanic and we decided when I had our daughter I would stay at home with her and my oldest one. We have a house that is about a 100 years old and only one car that is a 1995 Dodge Neon and we live paycheck to paycheck. How peoples lives go, depends on how they choose to make it go. I have not noticed any financial changes in my situation from the time Clinton was in office til now. So to say "Oh all Republicans are for the rich" is definitely not true. We are in charge of our own destinys and to blame the president for all your problems is a cop-out!. My life financially has been the same since I've been on my own, because of choices I made, if I had decided to go into the Military full-time instead of the National Guard when I did, I probably would have owned my own home and had a decent car years ago. But I chose to sacrifice those things for what was most important to me-My kids. And if you watched T.V. a couple of weekends ago, John Stossel had a report on called Myths, Facts and Lies (something along those lines) and according to them, Gas is actually cheaper than it was 20 years ago. They said you have to look at inflation, and that all affects how things are. So 20 years ago, compared to today-Gas was more. I think you just like to have something to complain about. I will bet we will have a Democrat in office the next term and I will gurantee for most Americans financially things will not change-people will just want to argue about more crap and complain. As I said we are in charge of our own destinys, I know since I am a christian and follow what God wants me to do and what his word wants me do-that is how my life is and has become better. You're blaming everything on one MAN-when you should be looking to GOD for peace and a good life. GOD BLESS YOU!
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#176 Consumer Comment

So all republicans are rich?

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

So Charles you really live in your own world. I am not rich. My husband is a mechanic and we decided when I had our daughter I would stay at home with her and my oldest one. We have a house that is about a 100 years old and only one car that is a 1995 Dodge Neon and we live paycheck to paycheck. How peoples lives go, depends on how they choose to make it go. I have not noticed any financial changes in my situation from the time Clinton was in office til now. So to say "Oh all Republicans are for the rich" is definitely not true. We are in charge of our own destinys and to blame the president for all your problems is a cop-out!. My life financially has been the same since I've been on my own, because of choices I made, if I had decided to go into the Military full-time instead of the National Guard when I did, I probably would have owned my own home and had a decent car years ago. But I chose to sacrifice those things for what was most important to me-My kids. And if you watched T.V. a couple of weekends ago, John Stossel had a report on called Myths, Facts and Lies (something along those lines) and according to them, Gas is actually cheaper than it was 20 years ago. They said you have to look at inflation, and that all affects how things are. So 20 years ago, compared to today-Gas was more. I think you just like to have something to complain about. I will bet we will have a Democrat in office the next term and I will gurantee for most Americans financially things will not change-people will just want to argue about more crap and complain. As I said we are in charge of our own destinys, I know since I am a christian and follow what God wants me to do and what his word wants me do-that is how my life is and has become better. You're blaming everything on one MAN-when you should be looking to GOD for peace and a good life. GOD BLESS YOU!
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#177 Consumer Comment

If bush cares for americans why has he made life so hard for americans

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

People are so blinded by bush & his lies!, If bush loves the american people so much then why has it made it so hard for americans today, bush is helping the rich get richer & the poor get poorer. You cannot file for bankruptcy anymore because it is no good you will have to pay your bills back anyway which bush has signed a new law for that to happen which bush & his cronies have made up on their own to make life more hard for americans to live day by day which republicans enjoying doing. You have to pay more for gas know sense it has been 6 years sense bush has been president gas has been higher it has never been $2.00 then bush accuse's us of being obsessed with oil, bush & the republicans are the ones obsessed with oil, bush is just pissed because people are turing on him & his evil ideas even republicans are turing on him that are not braindead like the former democrat of georgia turned his bad on his party & to support bush he said bush is the right man for the job, everything bush is doing is failing on him & he can't admit to it instead him & his fellow republican friends want to blame everybody else for their mistakes, thanks to republicans we know have to pay higher for gas rich people don't care who it is really hurting is the middleclass & poor people with jobs that don't make $100,000,000 a year unless you'er rich you don't belong in ameirca, republicans are turing this country into england & treating bush like a king like the kind of england who made the poor people more poor & the rich people had everything like it is in the united states today, you aren't allowed to attack or say anything negative about bush but they can still complain & attack about clinton if we should belong in jail then so should the people who attack clinton.
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#178 Consumer Comment

If bush cares for americans why has he made life so hard for americans

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

People are so blinded by bush & his lies!, If bush loves the american people so much then why has it made it so hard for americans today, bush is helping the rich get richer & the poor get poorer. You cannot file for bankruptcy anymore because it is no good you will have to pay your bills back anyway which bush has signed a new law for that to happen which bush & his cronies have made up on their own to make life more hard for americans to live day by day which republicans enjoying doing. You have to pay more for gas know sense it has been 6 years sense bush has been president gas has been higher it has never been $2.00 then bush accuse's us of being obsessed with oil, bush & the republicans are the ones obsessed with oil, bush is just pissed because people are turing on him & his evil ideas even republicans are turing on him that are not braindead like the former democrat of georgia turned his bad on his party & to support bush he said bush is the right man for the job, everything bush is doing is failing on him & he can't admit to it instead him & his fellow republican friends want to blame everybody else for their mistakes, thanks to republicans we know have to pay higher for gas rich people don't care who it is really hurting is the middleclass & poor people with jobs that don't make $100,000,000 a year unless you'er rich you don't belong in ameirca, republicans are turing this country into england & treating bush like a king like the kind of england who made the poor people more poor & the rich people had everything like it is in the united states today, you aren't allowed to attack or say anything negative about bush but they can still complain & attack about clinton if we should belong in jail then so should the people who attack clinton.
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#179 Consumer Comment

If bush cares for americans why has he made life so hard for americans

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

People are so blinded by bush & his lies!, If bush loves the american people so much then why has it made it so hard for americans today, bush is helping the rich get richer & the poor get poorer. You cannot file for bankruptcy anymore because it is no good you will have to pay your bills back anyway which bush has signed a new law for that to happen which bush & his cronies have made up on their own to make life more hard for americans to live day by day which republicans enjoying doing. You have to pay more for gas know sense it has been 6 years sense bush has been president gas has been higher it has never been $2.00 then bush accuse's us of being obsessed with oil, bush & the republicans are the ones obsessed with oil, bush is just pissed because people are turing on him & his evil ideas even republicans are turing on him that are not braindead like the former democrat of georgia turned his bad on his party & to support bush he said bush is the right man for the job, everything bush is doing is failing on him & he can't admit to it instead him & his fellow republican friends want to blame everybody else for their mistakes, thanks to republicans we know have to pay higher for gas rich people don't care who it is really hurting is the middleclass & poor people with jobs that don't make $100,000,000 a year unless you'er rich you don't belong in ameirca, republicans are turing this country into england & treating bush like a king like the kind of england who made the poor people more poor & the rich people had everything like it is in the united states today, you aren't allowed to attack or say anything negative about bush but they can still complain & attack about clinton if we should belong in jail then so should the people who attack clinton.
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#180 Consumer Comment

If bush cares for americans why has he made life so hard for americans

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

People are so blinded by bush & his lies!, If bush loves the american people so much then why has it made it so hard for americans today, bush is helping the rich get richer & the poor get poorer. You cannot file for bankruptcy anymore because it is no good you will have to pay your bills back anyway which bush has signed a new law for that to happen which bush & his cronies have made up on their own to make life more hard for americans to live day by day which republicans enjoying doing. You have to pay more for gas know sense it has been 6 years sense bush has been president gas has been higher it has never been $2.00 then bush accuse's us of being obsessed with oil, bush & the republicans are the ones obsessed with oil, bush is just pissed because people are turing on him & his evil ideas even republicans are turing on him that are not braindead like the former democrat of georgia turned his bad on his party & to support bush he said bush is the right man for the job, everything bush is doing is failing on him & he can't admit to it instead him & his fellow republican friends want to blame everybody else for their mistakes, thanks to republicans we know have to pay higher for gas rich people don't care who it is really hurting is the middleclass & poor people with jobs that don't make $100,000,000 a year unless you'er rich you don't belong in ameirca, republicans are turing this country into england & treating bush like a king like the kind of england who made the poor people more poor & the rich people had everything like it is in the united states today, you aren't allowed to attack or say anything negative about bush but they can still complain & attack about clinton if we should belong in jail then so should the people who attack clinton.
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#181 Consumer Comment

Really?

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

Really charles everyone defamed Clintons Character? I think he did that to himself-doing what he was doing in the White House, Oh but I guess him cheating on his wife with an intern is no big deal Huh? Or is it because he was president we were suppost to overlook that Huh? I am a christian and too have made some serious mistakes and some people knew about it because I was stupid enough to do it. Well Clinton committed adultery on many occasions and he falls under the same scrutiny all of us who have done this do. Just because he was president doesn't mean what he did was ok. It's awfully funny how anything wrong he's done should just be swept under the rug, but any mistakes Bush may be making sure isn't being swept under the rug is it? It's nice the whole liberal democratic movement has the media on it's side on top of all the immoral Hollywood pukes, but I guess that's ok. Bush may be making mistakes, but at least he's not out there trying to suck up to the media as well as that great bunch of immoral Hollywood Pukes!!! So i can admit Bush obviously like all presidents has made mistakes and like all other presidents will continue to make mistakes (like we all do), so why don't you admit where your wonderful party has made their mistakes or do you think they don't fall short of the glory?
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#182 Consumer Suggestion

And again charles you duck "CIVIL" Questions

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

charles:

Please respond to my questions. I have been civil to you and have not called you any names.
Why are you ignoring my questions?????
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#183 Consumer Suggestion

And again charles you duck "CIVIL" Questions

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

charles:

Please respond to my questions. I have been civil to you and have not called you any names.
Why are you ignoring my questions?????
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#184 Consumer Suggestion

And again charles you duck "CIVIL" Questions

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

charles:

Please respond to my questions. I have been civil to you and have not called you any names.
Why are you ignoring my questions?????
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#185 Consumer Suggestion

And again charles you duck "CIVIL" Questions

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

charles:

Please respond to my questions. I have been civil to you and have not called you any names.
Why are you ignoring my questions?????
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#186 Consumer Comment

i'll say what i have to say then i move on

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I'll say what I have to say on this website & then I move on, If people ignore me fine I have been told this many times before but I will continue what I have to say & post on here. I will say what I have to say & ignore everyone insults. Bush supporters say their insulting things about democrats but we are not allowed to call anyone names back.
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#187 Consumer Comment

Why does anyone take Charles seriously?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"If i were clinton i would sue the hell out of clinton for defamation & damanges to his reputation."

That statement alone makes the case for ignoring him any further.

None of his rants make any sense, and nearly all are unintelligible.

I wonder who will sue whom? Bill vs Hillary? Hillary vs Bill? Neither has a good reputation, so damages should be negligible.
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#188 Consumer Comment

Why does anyone take Charles seriously?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"If i were clinton i would sue the hell out of clinton for defamation & damanges to his reputation."

That statement alone makes the case for ignoring him any further.

None of his rants make any sense, and nearly all are unintelligible.

I wonder who will sue whom? Bill vs Hillary? Hillary vs Bill? Neither has a good reputation, so damages should be negligible.
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#189 Consumer Comment

Why does anyone take Charles seriously?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"If i were clinton i would sue the hell out of clinton for defamation & damanges to his reputation."

That statement alone makes the case for ignoring him any further.

None of his rants make any sense, and nearly all are unintelligible.

I wonder who will sue whom? Bill vs Hillary? Hillary vs Bill? Neither has a good reputation, so damages should be negligible.
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#190 Consumer Suggestion

Charles, Maybe this time you can respond to my questions instead of ducking them again?

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

What do you call a comment that all Republicans are evil? This was made by your Democratic chairman Howard Dean?

When John Kerry said that our soldiers are terrorists and are attacking womena and children at night??? This is definitely an attempt to undermine the president and the military. By your definition is this love????

What about the comments that there are no WMD's??? How come they are all of a sudden quiet because it was proven that the WMD's were moved out of the country right before the attacks.

Also, a auestion about your own postings? You quoted Joel Osteen and profess to be a christian?
Please tell me where in either Joel Osteens or the bible it professes to hate others. Your posts have said many times that YOU HATE REPUBLICANS.

What do you know about me that you hate me????

What do you know about any republican that you can use the term that you hate them and they are evil.

Please answer where the documentation of this is? I am more than willing to read anything and if you prove it to me I will change my opinion too.

I look forward to YOUR response.
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#191 Consumer Comment

If i were clinton i would sue the hell out of ken starr & the rest of the republican party ignore what the people from fox news

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

If i were clinton i would sue the hell out of clinton for defamation & damanges to his reputation. Republicans hated clinton because he was the only democrat to win two terms, & republicans tried everything to kick him out of office well if he was kicked out of office then gore would have been president, which everything would have backed fired on the republicans clinton should sue the hell out of ken starr & the rest of the republican boneheads for ruining his reputation because republicans said they were going to get him a hardtime because they were "PISSED" because they were no longer in power for 8 years & the republican cronies gave clinton hell for 8 years no wonder he couldn't do his job because they were jealous of clinton, republicans know have gotten america agaisnt democrats but republicans will not be in power for 12 years like they were in the 1980's.
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#192 Consumer Comment

Hate to say this

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

I hate to say this Charles, but if we're idiots I wonder what that makes you and your party? You saying and doing this makes you know better. Both parties have issues and neither party is better than the other, but from my years of reading papers and watching the news, liberal democrats don't have a problem with certain issues in law they are trying to get passed instead of fighting against it, ie: abortion, gay rights, drug wars in our own country. So you watch the news and see what they are fighting against. NO party is perfect. But if the party tries to at least keep these issues from getting worse than I would vote in that direction and listen to the party who is against these things. I am a christian and want a good, moral country to live in. If one party will fight against these issues which are affecting our own country-I would be more inclined to lean towards that party. It's all about morality. If we watch the direction our country is going in and it's not all the presidents fault, remember we have a congress and we too, play a part in all this (which I have stated before). As jesus said "let those without sin cast the first stone", We all sin and make stupid decisions unless you Charles are JESUS CHRIST. Gods Blessings to all!
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#193 Consumer Comment

Don't let these idiot republicans from fox news hannity o'reily control what you believe

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Hannity always complains about alan's party personally attacking him he is the one who starts the arguements because democrats do not support bush. Republicans hate democrats & have made ameirca be agaisnt democrats. Hannity needs to look at himself & realize why democrats attack him because look at all the attacking he does I cannot watch foxnews because of hannitys bickering & bitching.
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#194 Consumer Comment

Curious about the acts of evil he's done

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

I'm just curious as to some of the acts of evil George Bush has committed. Although I admit I'm sure he has made many mistakes-like all past Presidents. If you're talking about the continuing war in Iraq, what would you do? Remember 9/11? Oh, I forgot that is something we are suppost to forget about, only THOUSANDS of people died in that one day. Did we forget Pearl Harbor? No and we probably never will, because it happened in the United States of America-just as 9/11 did. And at least President Bush did something about it, and you know what so far (through the grace of God) nothing else has happened here since 9/11. So I believe he is doing the best he can and if that means continuing a war to show terriorist organizations and dictators that we won't put up with this in our own country and if that means going overseas to keep them at bay-than I'm all for it. So thank God Bush wasn't sitting in the oval office being pleasured by an intern, while this very well could have been happening, but I guess that sort of thing makes a good president or if he's close to the Hollywood crowd, now there seems to be a great bunch there. It all boils down to every president in office has screwed up somewhere along the line and knowone in this world is free from mistakes and bad choices. But I'll tell you one thing-watch when our troops are pulled out of Iraq, I would be willing to bet we will have our next terrorist attack and it will be worse than 9/11-If not the immorality of the direction this country is going in. Because in the end things that are going on in our own country-abortion, Gay rights, etc will be the downfall of our country not a war or any other political crap.
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#195 Consumer Comment

Curious about the acts of evil he's done

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

I'm just curious as to some of the acts of evil George Bush has committed. Although I admit I'm sure he has made many mistakes-like all past Presidents. If you're talking about the continuing war in Iraq, what would you do? Remember 9/11? Oh, I forgot that is something we are suppost to forget about, only THOUSANDS of people died in that one day. Did we forget Pearl Harbor? No and we probably never will, because it happened in the United States of America-just as 9/11 did. And at least President Bush did something about it, and you know what so far (through the grace of God) nothing else has happened here since 9/11. So I believe he is doing the best he can and if that means continuing a war to show terriorist organizations and dictators that we won't put up with this in our own country and if that means going overseas to keep them at bay-than I'm all for it. So thank God Bush wasn't sitting in the oval office being pleasured by an intern, while this very well could have been happening, but I guess that sort of thing makes a good president or if he's close to the Hollywood crowd, now there seems to be a great bunch there. It all boils down to every president in office has screwed up somewhere along the line and knowone in this world is free from mistakes and bad choices. But I'll tell you one thing-watch when our troops are pulled out of Iraq, I would be willing to bet we will have our next terrorist attack and it will be worse than 9/11-If not the immorality of the direction this country is going in. Because in the end things that are going on in our own country-abortion, Gay rights, etc will be the downfall of our country not a war or any other political crap.
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#196 Consumer Comment

Curious about the acts of evil he's done

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

I'm just curious as to some of the acts of evil George Bush has committed. Although I admit I'm sure he has made many mistakes-like all past Presidents. If you're talking about the continuing war in Iraq, what would you do? Remember 9/11? Oh, I forgot that is something we are suppost to forget about, only THOUSANDS of people died in that one day. Did we forget Pearl Harbor? No and we probably never will, because it happened in the United States of America-just as 9/11 did. And at least President Bush did something about it, and you know what so far (through the grace of God) nothing else has happened here since 9/11. So I believe he is doing the best he can and if that means continuing a war to show terriorist organizations and dictators that we won't put up with this in our own country and if that means going overseas to keep them at bay-than I'm all for it. So thank God Bush wasn't sitting in the oval office being pleasured by an intern, while this very well could have been happening, but I guess that sort of thing makes a good president or if he's close to the Hollywood crowd, now there seems to be a great bunch there. It all boils down to every president in office has screwed up somewhere along the line and knowone in this world is free from mistakes and bad choices. But I'll tell you one thing-watch when our troops are pulled out of Iraq, I would be willing to bet we will have our next terrorist attack and it will be worse than 9/11-If not the immorality of the direction this country is going in. Because in the end things that are going on in our own country-abortion, Gay rights, etc will be the downfall of our country not a war or any other political crap.
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#197 Consumer Comment

Curious about the acts of evil he's done

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

I'm just curious as to some of the acts of evil George Bush has committed. Although I admit I'm sure he has made many mistakes-like all past Presidents. If you're talking about the continuing war in Iraq, what would you do? Remember 9/11? Oh, I forgot that is something we are suppost to forget about, only THOUSANDS of people died in that one day. Did we forget Pearl Harbor? No and we probably never will, because it happened in the United States of America-just as 9/11 did. And at least President Bush did something about it, and you know what so far (through the grace of God) nothing else has happened here since 9/11. So I believe he is doing the best he can and if that means continuing a war to show terriorist organizations and dictators that we won't put up with this in our own country and if that means going overseas to keep them at bay-than I'm all for it. So thank God Bush wasn't sitting in the oval office being pleasured by an intern, while this very well could have been happening, but I guess that sort of thing makes a good president or if he's close to the Hollywood crowd, now there seems to be a great bunch there. It all boils down to every president in office has screwed up somewhere along the line and knowone in this world is free from mistakes and bad choices. But I'll tell you one thing-watch when our troops are pulled out of Iraq, I would be willing to bet we will have our next terrorist attack and it will be worse than 9/11-If not the immorality of the direction this country is going in. Because in the end things that are going on in our own country-abortion, Gay rights, etc will be the downfall of our country not a war or any other political crap.
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AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I just realized, Ted, that by posting so early without a good dose of caffeine I neatly sidestepped what appears to be your main question: Why do I feel entitled to judge a man I may have never met?

For a time, I really thought you were kidding about this, but it seems that you may have a Biblical reasoning behind your question, like "Judge not, lest you be judged".

Suppose you went to Church and the preacher stood in his pulpit sermonizing like never before. This preacher seems to have a direct insight into every word and nuance of the entire Bible and the entire congregation is mesmerized by this preacher's every word.

After a time, the preacher pulls a gun from behind the pulpit and randomly shoots dead a member of the congregation while still speaking. He then puts his pistol away and continues with his sermonizing like nothing happened. The congregation is stunned at first, but the preacher carries on so after a time the congregation begins deciding that they must have misunderstood what happened.

Some time later one of the deacons stands up and randomly shoots dead a member of the congregation. He then sits back down like nothing happened and the preacher sermonizes on without missing a beat.

By now the congregation is becoming very uncomfortable. Something is just not right. This absolutely cannot be happening. Presently another deacon stands and again randomly shoots dead another member of the congregation. And this goes on in the same vein for years.

This has been my mental image of Bush and his administration for quite some time.

Now I have to choose how I feel about this "preacher", his "deacons", and this "church".

A)This preacher knows the word of God inside and out so he and his deacons are absolutely good men in spite of their actions.

B)This man may know the word of God, but his actions are not consistent with the words he is saying, therefore they are all absolutely bad and evil.

C)I do not want to be a member of this "congregation" any longer. I absolutely choose to leave this "church" for good in spite of the wonderful sermons I have heard here.

"C" is my choice because it involves only me. I do not judge Bush and the people in his administration to be absolutely good or absolutely evil as people because I cannot. I do feel justified in judging many of his actions to be bad bordering on evil, though.

I derive my right to judge the President and any other person elected to office directly from the Constitution of the United States. It is a neat little document and makes for fascinating reading.

Any citizen of this country has the same right.
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#199 Consumer Comment

Something stinks in this administration. It may be that all those eggs on G.W.'s face have begun to "ripen" after so long a time.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

So let us work under the assumption that Bush has been lied to and manipulated by every single agency that is charged with providing intelligence to the President.

I am now George W. Bush soon after the September 11, 2001 attacks. I am being bombarded with intelligence reports saying that Iraq has WMD and will use them against the United States. Reports are saying that Saddam has ties to al-Queda and is financing more attacks against the United States.

OMG!! What to do?? We must remove this regime in Iraq. No help for it. We must go to war!

Now I have declared war and sent thousands of United States citizens into harm's way in a foreign country, But, wait. We cannot find any ties to al-Queda. Or any WMD, either. But we did find Saddam, so that is something.

Where is the rest of it? Where are the bombs and the chemical weapons? We have looked for years. And now we cannot find any real evidence that Saddam was funding al-Queda, either.

I, George W. Bush, now have egg all over my face. Am I upset and vowing to get to the bottom of this? NO! What do I do? I let major players retire quietly and subside into obscurity!

And then I bestow a Medal of Freedom on one of the biggest "liars" in the farce...George Tenant!

Even if George W. Bush was the dupe in one of the biggest cons in the history of this country, his subsequent actions make no sense at all. He rewards the "liars". He continues down this path, shrinking the Constitution and bankrupting the country, all the while holding hands with the Saudis.

Something stinks in this administration. It may be that the eggs on G.W.'s face have begun to "ripen" after so long a time.

Even if Bush was a dupe, he seems to be a willing dupe. No one has been punished for "lying" to the President of the United States. No heads have rolled. G.W. has lost his credibility with Americans, but he does not strike back at those who "lied"? Makes no sense.

So let me ask you a question. (We are still theorizing that George W. Bush was the biggest dupe in American history):

If the Commander-in-Chief cannot trust his own hand-picked intelligence community, why in the world should the people of America trust them?

This President's actions d**n him either way you look at it. In his shoes or out of them, everything he does points to him being a willing conspirator in this.

The people of America were trusting of all this propaganda coming from the intelligence agencies and the White House. Trusting enough to put the lives of young Americans on the line in this struggle. Trusting enough to send out future generations into financial bondage to the national debt for generations to come.

Now, who do you feel was lied to most?
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#200 Consumer Suggestion

About the President (any President)

AUTHOR: Ted - (U.S.A.)

Robert - I do respect your thought and anyone elses.
One of your comments was, "I think Bush...".
The word that stands out is, "think."

I may agree with your thoughts, because I do not want to be in a war with any country, no matter how large or small.

The problem that I have is when people bash another person, and this does not need to be about the President, it could be about anyone. The judgement of others is wrong. I would disagree with the President if he would judge you for whatever reason.

Those that are quick to judge have never done anything wrong, right!

Your American brother and friend,

Ted
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#201 Consumer Comment

You have the right to vote for who you like republican or democrat but it does not give a person a right to insult you

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Everybody has the right to vote for who they want to but it does not give the right for people to slander, insult , or call people traitors just because we don't like bush or didn't vote for bush, does not mean we are traitors or hate america which republicans have made up to get people agaisnt democrats. I know my sentence & writing are not perfect I'll admit I had lousy teachers in grade school who did not teach me very well on how to write a sentence or a paragraph I was never good & english or lit so I got a low grade in english but it does not give a right for a person to insult or judge people or ridcule a person because they are not good in writing sentences & paragraph, some people are real smart in it & some people ain't but it does not give a right for anybody to insult or judge people I'll admit I am no good in english but it does not keep my quit on speaking out about things. English was not my favorite subject so it is harder on me for me to able to explain things that is on my mind but its not my fault & people need not to judge other people just because they have difficulty in writing like i do, I do not know if I can go to a writing school to improve my writing but I sure need help in it because nobody would hire me for a desk job writing or typing like this, I would not do a desk job anyways I am more of an outdoor person to work outdoors. It all depends on the teachers you had in school I had lousy teachers in school who taught shitty & who could care less about students or what they need to achieve they are all in it for the money.
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#202 Consumer Comment

You have the right to vote for who you like republican or democrat but it does not give a person a right to insult you

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Everybody has the right to vote for who they want to but it does not give the right for people to slander, insult , or call people traitors just because we don't like bush or didn't vote for bush, does not mean we are traitors or hate america which republicans have made up to get people agaisnt democrats. I know my sentence & writing are not perfect I'll admit I had lousy teachers in grade school who did not teach me very well on how to write a sentence or a paragraph I was never good & english or lit so I got a low grade in english but it does not give a right for a person to insult or judge people or ridcule a person because they are not good in writing sentences & paragraph, some people are real smart in it & some people ain't but it does not give a right for anybody to insult or judge people I'll admit I am no good in english but it does not keep my quit on speaking out about things. English was not my favorite subject so it is harder on me for me to able to explain things that is on my mind but its not my fault & people need not to judge other people just because they have difficulty in writing like i do, I do not know if I can go to a writing school to improve my writing but I sure need help in it because nobody would hire me for a desk job writing or typing like this, I would not do a desk job anyways I am more of an outdoor person to work outdoors. It all depends on the teachers you had in school I had lousy teachers in school who taught shitty & who could care less about students or what they need to achieve they are all in it for the money.
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#203 Consumer Comment

You have the right to vote for who you like republican or democrat but it does not give a person a right to insult you

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Everybody has the right to vote for who they want to but it does not give the right for people to slander, insult , or call people traitors just because we don't like bush or didn't vote for bush, does not mean we are traitors or hate america which republicans have made up to get people agaisnt democrats. I know my sentence & writing are not perfect I'll admit I had lousy teachers in grade school who did not teach me very well on how to write a sentence or a paragraph I was never good & english or lit so I got a low grade in english but it does not give a right for a person to insult or judge people or ridcule a person because they are not good in writing sentences & paragraph, some people are real smart in it & some people ain't but it does not give a right for anybody to insult or judge people I'll admit I am no good in english but it does not keep my quit on speaking out about things. English was not my favorite subject so it is harder on me for me to able to explain things that is on my mind but its not my fault & people need not to judge other people just because they have difficulty in writing like i do, I do not know if I can go to a writing school to improve my writing but I sure need help in it because nobody would hire me for a desk job writing or typing like this, I would not do a desk job anyways I am more of an outdoor person to work outdoors. It all depends on the teachers you had in school I had lousy teachers in school who taught shitty & who could care less about students or what they need to achieve they are all in it for the money.
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#204 Consumer Comment

You have the right to vote for who you like republican or democrat but it does not give a person a right to insult you

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Everybody has the right to vote for who they want to but it does not give the right for people to slander, insult , or call people traitors just because we don't like bush or didn't vote for bush, does not mean we are traitors or hate america which republicans have made up to get people agaisnt democrats. I know my sentence & writing are not perfect I'll admit I had lousy teachers in grade school who did not teach me very well on how to write a sentence or a paragraph I was never good & english or lit so I got a low grade in english but it does not give a right for a person to insult or judge people or ridcule a person because they are not good in writing sentences & paragraph, some people are real smart in it & some people ain't but it does not give a right for anybody to insult or judge people I'll admit I am no good in english but it does not keep my quit on speaking out about things. English was not my favorite subject so it is harder on me for me to able to explain things that is on my mind but its not my fault & people need not to judge other people just because they have difficulty in writing like i do, I do not know if I can go to a writing school to improve my writing but I sure need help in it because nobody would hire me for a desk job writing or typing like this, I would not do a desk job anyways I am more of an outdoor person to work outdoors. It all depends on the teachers you had in school I had lousy teachers in school who taught shitty & who could care less about students or what they need to achieve they are all in it for the money.
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#205 Consumer Comment

Ted, you have questions, I have answers.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

You have obviously read all of this post. Good for you. And you have what I guess you feel are "constructive" suggestions. I will address the one aimed at me.

Ted said: 2) Robert: You said, I would have to feel sure that the person sending me had his facts straight as to the objective, How do you know where President gets his information. You should become the Chief Intelligence Officer, and then perhaps the President (any President) can have the right information to go on before making a big decision.

I cannot become the Chief Intelligence Officer, and the reason why is obvious. I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth and an oil well up my a$$. Being an Intelligence officer does not require actual real inborn intelligence, just money and a keen ability to lie to everyone. An ability to lie when the truth would serve better.

I know where the President is SUPPOSED to get his intelligence. All those alphabet soup organizations: NSA, FBI, CIA and who knows how many more. I think Bush chose to ignore a lot of facts because his decision was made when he entered office to invade Iraq. That is now public knowledge. He talked about it while campaigning the first time.

The Iraq war was launched for one reason only: real estate. As with any real estate the keywords are "Location, location, location".

All the other talking points are to distract the public. Iraq has nothing to do with the "war on terror", "democracy", oil, or removing the bad, bad man (Saddam).

My crystal ball is hot today, so I am making a prediction. US military bases will spring up in Iraq like mushrooms in a rainforest. From this central to the Middle East location, the United States will attempt to intimidate all surrounding countries. It will shake its too-big-for-its-britches-fist in all directions. It will growl and roar like a rabid dog from its prime location.

What it will forget is that to be in the center of things is to also be surrounded by the enemy. When the people there have had enough, the war will begin in earnest.

This war will not be pretty and it will not be over until someone comes out a decisive victor. This enemy has no respect for human life nor any love for it. This war will spill out of the Middle East and it will not be fought with any "rules". It will be the most destructive thing this planet has ever seen.

Diplomacy will not work with an enemy that is driven by fanaticism. Our only option will be to fight like hell.

My crystal ball is going dark now. I am glad. The bloody images are almost too much to bear. Unfortunately, it did not stay active long enough for me to be able to see who ultimately wins this war.

Hang around, Ted. We're going to have a party. We are going to shake, rattle and roll. We will have to pay the consequences of "intelligence failure" and manipulation by this administration.
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#206 Consumer Suggestion

Not just President Bush, but any President

AUTHOR: Ted - (U.S.A.)

I am not one to judge any other person and I hope I am not judged by any other.

As I read through this report and comments, I wondered why Americans judge the President when they do not know him. How many of you actually know the president or just go by what you see or hear from the media. I do not know him and have never met him, so how can I judge this person.

Did the President have all the facts before going to war? I do not know and you do not either, unless you have inside information. I do know, he gets his information from a group of people that should be in the know and then the President must make a decision from information collected.

I may not agree with all that is done and I do not want to see anybody killed, on either side. But, to say the President is not any good, I am not knowledgable enough to even come close, unless I want to listen to what others have to say and become a judge of someone I do not know and have never met.

Samples:

1) Ben: Youd said, religious nut America was founded on religion, now where is she? Not enough nuts to go around.

2) Robert: You said, I would have to feel sure that the person sending me had his facts straight as to the objective, How do you know where President gets his information. You should become the Chief Intelligence Officer, and then perhaps the President (any President) can have the right information to go on before making a big decision.

3) Lori: You said, Bush has ruined our country We the people, by the people, for the people. Try becoming a presidential candidate and see if you can do better. I would be unable to do this. Most people say there should be a seperation of "church and state", but I am here to say, there should be a seperation of "state and church." What I mean is, the church never wanted to be seperated from the state, it is the state that wanted to be seperated from the church. But, then again, that is history, and I only have what text books and schools have tought me.
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#207 Consumer Comment

Robert you are sad! arguing is pointless

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Bill Clinton said during the democratic convention in 2004 if you are happy with the way republicans are running america then vote for them again. So the hell with it people are tired of arguing back & forth its so pointless people can go ahead & vote for republicans I don't care anymore they will find out for themselves later that republicans are no good to run this country, so go ahead vote republicam people must be happy with the way republicans are running america I don't why they are happy with all the corruption in this country by republicans so let people do what they want who cares If they like republicans we can vote for who we want to but nobody has the right to tell you who to vote for people are not traitors in america as bush supporters calls us we do not hate america just not happy with republicans & how republicans are running everything. People do not realize that bush & his republican cronies friends are getting rich by us their own countrymen who is paying taxes we are making bush & republicans more richer every year bush is getting rich by our tax money but people are to stupid & blinded by bush & republicans well I hope people wake up & see who bush truly is before it is to late.
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#208 Consumer Comment

Robert you are sad! arguing is pointless

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Bill Clinton said during the democratic convention in 2004 if you are happy with the way republicans are running america then vote for them again. So the hell with it people are tired of arguing back & forth its so pointless people can go ahead & vote for republicans I don't care anymore they will find out for themselves later that republicans are no good to run this country, so go ahead vote republicam people must be happy with the way republicans are running america I don't why they are happy with all the corruption in this country by republicans so let people do what they want who cares If they like republicans we can vote for who we want to but nobody has the right to tell you who to vote for people are not traitors in america as bush supporters calls us we do not hate america just not happy with republicans & how republicans are running everything. People do not realize that bush & his republican cronies friends are getting rich by us their own countrymen who is paying taxes we are making bush & republicans more richer every year bush is getting rich by our tax money but people are to stupid & blinded by bush & republicans well I hope people wake up & see who bush truly is before it is to late.
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#209 Consumer Comment

Robert you are sad! arguing is pointless

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Bill Clinton said during the democratic convention in 2004 if you are happy with the way republicans are running america then vote for them again. So the hell with it people are tired of arguing back & forth its so pointless people can go ahead & vote for republicans I don't care anymore they will find out for themselves later that republicans are no good to run this country, so go ahead vote republicam people must be happy with the way republicans are running america I don't why they are happy with all the corruption in this country by republicans so let people do what they want who cares If they like republicans we can vote for who we want to but nobody has the right to tell you who to vote for people are not traitors in america as bush supporters calls us we do not hate america just not happy with republicans & how republicans are running everything. People do not realize that bush & his republican cronies friends are getting rich by us their own countrymen who is paying taxes we are making bush & republicans more richer every year bush is getting rich by our tax money but people are to stupid & blinded by bush & republicans well I hope people wake up & see who bush truly is before it is to late.
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#210 Consumer Comment

Robert you are sad! arguing is pointless

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Bill Clinton said during the democratic convention in 2004 if you are happy with the way republicans are running america then vote for them again. So the hell with it people are tired of arguing back & forth its so pointless people can go ahead & vote for republicans I don't care anymore they will find out for themselves later that republicans are no good to run this country, so go ahead vote republicam people must be happy with the way republicans are running america I don't why they are happy with all the corruption in this country by republicans so let people do what they want who cares If they like republicans we can vote for who we want to but nobody has the right to tell you who to vote for people are not traitors in america as bush supporters calls us we do not hate america just not happy with republicans & how republicans are running everything. People do not realize that bush & his republican cronies friends are getting rich by us their own countrymen who is paying taxes we are making bush & republicans more richer every year bush is getting rich by our tax money but people are to stupid & blinded by bush & republicans well I hope people wake up & see who bush truly is before it is to late.
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#211 Consumer Comment

Of course you think the republicans ramble on!!!!!

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

It is so easy to say that, again I bring up the point if we're just rambling on, show us your proof that that's all we're doing. You show me a democrat or even a liberal democrat who would fight allowing Gay marriage, abortion and all the other issues that do not seem to bother them. All they seem to worry about is the economy and I can tell you, I am a Republican and I live in a home that is about a 100 years old, I drive a 1995 Dodge Neon and live paycheck to paycheck. And whether Democrat or Republican is in office I still struggle, so lets not say how bad the economy is or may be may have to do with who is in office, it has alot to do with what's going on in the world. The issues going on in the world effect the whole world economy. Let's face it know matter who is in office not everyone is going to be happy. So let us-as United States Citizens fight to make this a better Country. After all whoever is in office is only one man, And we are millions, so I say again, we are all just as much to blame for the way this country is as he may be. So let's all take a look at ourselves.
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#212 Consumer Comment

I was just thinking about something...

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

What would it be like if we got Charles from Phenix City, and Otis from Detroit together.

Can you just imagine the insane blathering from these two illiterates? Who's head would explode first? Would they make up a double-digit IQ if they were with each other?

Up your meds Charles. Either that, or tighten the straps.
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#213 Consumer Comment

REPUBLICANS DON'T SPEAK THE TRUTH

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

The rambling from the republicans still continue, I don't listen to republicans because they don't tell the truth I will take clinton,gore & kerry over any republican george w. bush or jeb bush or the mayor of new york rudy, or rush. Look at all the lies the republican party said about gore & about democrats republicans do NOT SPEAK THE TRUTH so they are a waste of my time not to listen to them!
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#214 Consumer Comment

Gina, Maybe this is a Good sign

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Yesterday there was a law in Georgia passed that actually will allow students in public schools the right to say Merry christmas. I think this may be a small but a first step in allowing freedom of religion.

What I think was more remarkable is that the bill was introduced and actually endorsed by the Georgia State Assembly Democrats.
Maybe this is a message that not all Democrats are in the same mold.
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#215 Consumer Comment

as I said, I don't think he's the best president we've ever had-but

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

Thank you Mr. White of Georgia

I guess I just get so tired of people wanting to blame the president (even though) as I said, I don't think he's the best president we've ever had-but I would take him over Clinton, Gore, Kerry and oh dear God I hope not-Hilary. We are the ones that really push the direction this country is going. I try not to cut down anyone, but PEOPLE-read the BIBLE, that is the whole truth and nothing but the truth, and if you say it isn't you're calling GOD a liar and Lord have mercy on your soul. I want to live in a country where my children can say a prayer in school and not get berated for it, after all God created us I think he deserves a whole heck of alot of prayer and worshipping, and all these years the 10 Commandments have been displayed and who is it that wants to take them down, I would be willing to bet it's some Liberal Democrat. Knowone said all Democrats are bad or evil, but put liberal in front of it and I believe those words apply. You look at the majority of Liberals and their beliefs fall along the line of immorality. I mean taking a judge off the supreme court because he wouldn't remove the 10 commandments from his courtroom. That's evil and wrong. They've been there all these years, why change it now? It's a sad world we live in.
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#216 Consumer Suggestion

Good for you Gina

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Also please not that these so called christian democrats are in favor of abortion ( A sin according to the bible) Hate (Charles has still not explained how he can profess to be a christian and HATE George Bush and all democrats) Gay Marriage (Another Sin).

Also, we are not allowed public Christian displays in courthouses and in public places, but we can have displays of all other religions.

Are you people that are against Christianity willing to give up the holidays that religion give you. Let me guess, you are against Christmas as a religious holiday (Holy Day) but still want the day off from work.

Now the democrats are calling for a fillerbuster of Judge Alito which they promised they would not do. In other words "LIED". another commandment broken.

I want to hear from a democrat who is willing to speak the truth civilly.

James, if you relly believe that George Bush orchestrated 9-11 and was the real culprit behind it you are more of a moron than the others.
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#217 Consumer Comment

Republicans cutting down democrats that is usually what is said when all of us Republicans are bringing up Truths

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

Yeah I seen alot of Republicans cutting down democrats that is usually what is said when all of us Republicans are bringing up Truths about what has been happening! Why don't you research the information they brought up about what happened during the Clinton administration? You won't probably because you already know it's all true. Research it and bring back info you have found. Knowone said President Bush is perfect, but neither was President Clinton. Maybe some people in this country don't care about morals, everyone wants to say "Oh our economy is so bad, this war is taking too long" Hey people what about what is really going to bring this country down? Drugs, People having sex with anyone and everyone, Homosexuality-allowing Gay marriage, abortion. These are the issues that are going to affect my kids and I worry a whole heck of alot more about these things than a war going on in another country. President Bush has at least some amount of morality. You watch and see what is really going to be the downfall of this country-a war and high oil prices or all the immorality going on? I would be willing to bet on the later! And by the way-you get a Democrat who will stand against these issues-Gay marriage, abortion, etc. I'll vote for him too! It's about what they believe and accept. Because in the end-your political affiliation isn't going to get you to heaven. Your belief in Jesus Christ and accepting him as your lord and savior is the only thing that will get you there. And guess what people we don't know how long we have left in this big old world, so I would focus more on the issues right here in our country and try to make those changes-after all it's not all up to the president, is it? We play a big part in what goes on in this country.
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#218 Consumer Comment

THE FUN CONTINUES

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Just stoping by not going to bother posting any comments I just laugh when the bush supporters come on this website to insult democrats Its all right for bush supporters to abuse & insult us but it isn't ok for us to do the same thing back. Thank you shawn & erika for the nice comments you said to me besides from the other BS from other people who like to be internet bullies. Just stoping to say high to all the fellow democrats JUST SAY NO TO REPUBLICANS IN "2008"!. It is just pointles to argue over the net as you see bush supporters are to stubborn to reason with!.
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#219 Consumer Comment

Vote out the "Mengeles" and take your country back!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Did it ever occur to anyone (besides me)that the reason we fight, argue and snipe at each other at these posts stems from sheer frustration??!!

Every day that goes by we see a few more civil liberties removed. Every day that goes by we see more intrusion into our everyday activities by the government.

They want our phone calls. They want our Google searches. They want our email. They want our young men and women. They want our money. They want our land and have given themselves permission to take it easily. They want whistleblowers and reporters in jail for daring to speak out. Government has become a black hole of wants; everything goes in and nothing comes out.

About the only thing we have left as American citizens that the government cannot easily steal is our thoughts. So, we come here to vent because it is about the only place we have left! Each and every one of us is trying desperately to hold on to ourselves because it is all we really own in America these days. How sad.

I declared the Republic nearly dead a few days ago with the announcement that the DOJ is suing Google (Yahoo and the rest have already sold you out). What is left is a husk on life support being manipulated by government Mengeles (search "Josef Mengele" if this name is unfamiliar to you)who are performing horrific experiments on the body. Hate to tell you, but we, the people are the body.

The Mengeles cross party lines. Vote them out and we can attempt a revival of the Republic. (Personally, I do not care if the revival attempts include prayers to any one of a number of Gods, consulting witch doctors and voodoo practitioners, herbal remedies, high colonics or leeches. It may take a combination of all of it to get the job done, so pray, chant and burn incense to your hearts desire)

I see a lot of brainpower here. I see a lot of passion and drive. I see lots of frustration as well.

Perhaps we would be better served by aiming our frustration at the ones who really deserve it. After all, by hurting each other we only hurt more of the cells in the body of this great nation.

There are more of "us" than there are of "them". That is a useful fact to know. We each a voice, we each have a vote. "They" think they are invincible and the other party is sitting back awaiting its chance to ride into power on the tattered tail of the current boondoggle. "They" don't even pay attention to us anymore so a sneak attack in the voting booth would be pretty easy to pull off.

If we simply swing over to the other party, we are done as a free republic, IMHO. A person who has been hung swings back and forth, but it doesn't make him any less DEAD!

There isn't much time left if action is not taken soon. One more generation and the people of America will be slaves to the government, brainwashed and drugged into complacency. Too many already think America is a democracy, up to and including the stuttering man behind the podium. (Thanks to the Department of education for disseminating that bit of propaganda in pursuit of the cause).

I do not think that servitude to the government is what so many have given their lives up to accomplish.
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#220 Consumer Comment

Could you do a better job?

AUTHOR: Gina - (U.S.A.)

I cannot believe the audacity of some people in this country to cut down our president-who by the way is human and screws up just like you and me. He never claimed to be perfect. You must think you are, Are you idiots who cut him down Jesus? Because he was and is the only perfect person that was in this world!!!!!! I was in the National Guard and I had kids and decided to get out, My choice, just like it was my choice to join, I don't believe the draft has been reinstated has it? Some of the liberal idiots in this country want to blame our president for everything. Well what would you have done if you were president and 9/11 happened during your time in office? Sit back like an idiot and say we don't care about our country and our people, even though we lost thousands of people in ONE DAY. It's sad any time there is a loss of life, but like fireman, policeman, construction workers, etc. Your life can be taken at any time. I believe if you join the military you're taking a risk, because you never know when a war could be at hand. You made the choice, don't blame the president. But I guess he should've just sat back and let all those people die and do nothing about it. And what did they do? They just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time-On our soil, not some distant far off land. This war is justified, we were attacked in our own country-look at all the other wars in history, how many were we involved in because of being attacked on our land? I believe Pearl Harbor and that was it. So don't sit on your high horse and judge our president, he's doing the best he can. Remember we live in a big world were anything can happen and i believe our president did this for exactly what he said-to try to keep terrorists at bay-let's hope he keeps the good fight going, so something like this can at least be prevented from happening again-hopefully.
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#221 Consumer Comment

Hi Robert

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Good to hear from you! You are so right about Mayor Nagin! What an idiot! His comments about God and a "Chocolate" New Orleans have got to be the most moronic thing I've heard a Government official say in awhile.

None of the wildfires have been anywhere near our home, thank God. But, if we do happen to experience that tragedy, we are highly insured so we will not need anything from FEMA.

I promise to try to get my facts straight in the future-lol.
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#222 Consumer Comment

Hi Robert

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Good to hear from you! You are so right about Mayor Nagin! What an idiot! His comments about God and a "Chocolate" New Orleans have got to be the most moronic thing I've heard a Government official say in awhile.

None of the wildfires have been anywhere near our home, thank God. But, if we do happen to experience that tragedy, we are highly insured so we will not need anything from FEMA.

I promise to try to get my facts straight in the future-lol.
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#223 Consumer Comment

Hi Robert

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Good to hear from you! You are so right about Mayor Nagin! What an idiot! His comments about God and a "Chocolate" New Orleans have got to be the most moronic thing I've heard a Government official say in awhile.

None of the wildfires have been anywhere near our home, thank God. But, if we do happen to experience that tragedy, we are highly insured so we will not need anything from FEMA.

I promise to try to get my facts straight in the future-lol.
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#224 Consumer Comment

Hi Robert

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Good to hear from you! You are so right about Mayor Nagin! What an idiot! His comments about God and a "Chocolate" New Orleans have got to be the most moronic thing I've heard a Government official say in awhile.

None of the wildfires have been anywhere near our home, thank God. But, if we do happen to experience that tragedy, we are highly insured so we will not need anything from FEMA.

I promise to try to get my facts straight in the future-lol.
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#225 Consumer Comment

Welcome back Lori, now please get your facts correct

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

The Federeal Government declared the various counties in Oklahoma a Disaster Area and available for assistance on Jan 11. The FEMA toll free phone numbers were operational on Jan 13, and the money was flowing as of Jan 16. Go to the FEMA site. On Jan 19, the Feds authorized federal assistance for cutting fire-breaks and other fire prevention strategies.

The fires were contained and being extinguished as of Jan 4. This means that within 1 week, the Governor of Oklahoma had done the paperwork and requested Federal help. It also means that within that same week, the assistance was granted and being set up.

Now, why is this different from New Orleans? Simple. Your Governor is a working man, and understands that holding your hand out waiting for the magic money fairy to come by is just not going to happen. On the other hand, Mayor Nagin(can he get any more idiotic?) and Governor Blanco believe in fairies and magic. Why not? Their constituents do. These two dipsticks waited and ignored the proper actions, while your Governor took charge and got things done.

Political affiliation has nothing to do with this. It all goes back to what I keep saying..."people who work, always will. People who won't, never will". Your Governor works.

Good luck rebuilding out there. I did actually think of you when I saw the fires on TV.
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#226 Consumer Comment

Bush supporters are blinded!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

I say that when 9/11 occurred, Bush was President and had a plan to restrict our rights as Americans so he invented the horrible plane crashes into the towers. I TRULY BELIEVE those planes were GUIDED on there COURSES! I believe they were Radio Controlled, uninhabited and controlled by the U.S.A. Government and Bush! The U.S.A. people were infuriated with this. Americans believed anything Bush said to them as Iraq as enemy, but I find it funny we Americans sold weapons to Iraq to fight Iran. Bush is the true enemy, and I stand by this, as he has lied all the way! He lied to Americans to invade a sovereign nation, he has killed tens of thousands of Iraqis, and thousands of Americans! He has raised gas/oil prices up to extreme levells. George W Bush is the terrorist on the American People! Jeb Bush forget running for President, as you will never be elected! I guarentee that!
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#227 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Thank you for your comments. Sorry it has been awhile but, I have been out of state due to an illness and, sadly, funeral of a relative.

You are right about the help from FEMA. All out of state firefighters are soooo greatly appreciated!! There are still a few small communities waiting for assistance but, I'm sure that will be taken care of.

The President finally declared a federal disaster area, almost two weeks after being requested, for the twelve hardest hit counties with more to be added as needed.

Once again Shawn, thank you for correcting me. Like I've said before, it won't be the first time I was wrong and I'm sure it won't be the last!
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#228 Consumer Comment

Charles, Charles, Charles.....

AUTHOR: Judy - (U.S.A.)

I haven't viewed the postings lately.... but took the time to do so today. I can rarely spend time like this.

In scanning the postings covering the last couple of weeks, I found that, once again, Charles has posted.

Charles.... Though I have tried on numerous occasions, to not allow your postings to ruffle my feathers, I'm afraid I can no longer hold out.
Your posting of 01/09/06 provides the readers with your life history & apparently you gained some sympathy, even received some very well written advice from Shawn & Vera, I believe even Erika provided you with some very "plain, up-front, old-fashioned" advice, which I wholly appreciated.

You cleaned up some of your postings, but then, it seems you fell right back into the garbage heap, once James from Tupper Lake posted. I also noticed that you chose to ignore John from White, GA, whom queried your reference to Joel Osteen.

Now bud.... just a few facts for you which you may take however you please.
1) I resided in Phenix City for 13 years & couldn't get out fast enough, when I had the opportunity to leave. May I politely suggest that you get out, too. There is nothing in Phenix City, but backward, red-neck, uneducated, opionated fools. By the way, we have probably even met. I used to operate a gameroom there.

2) I am middle-aged, caucausian, Christian, & a Republican who voted for George W. Bush. Oh, one more thing, I reside in a Mobile Home, so guess that places me somewhere in the middle class category. All of the above, is my "choice", which sends me sailing to the next issue.

Apparently, you have been watching Joel Osteen. My advice is for you to continue, but listen a bit closer. Joel tells us that God gave us "Free Will", which means that we have the opportunity to make our own decisions in our lives. You have the opportunity of breaking the chain in your family. It is up to you!!!
Joel also teaches about keeping positive about the issues in your life, be it your job, your finances, your family, etc.

My main point here is, you can't go through your life, blaming someone else for your life. Our successes or failures all stem from our "FreeWill" decisions, not because of some Democrat or Republican, or alcoholic father, etc.

Everything that takes place in this country is not the Republican's responsibility or fault. Errors have been made throughout history dating back thousands of years. It sickens me to hear all of the "clumping" together of people, when something dares to go wrong or against peoples opinions.

For everyone else that feels George Bush has stepped all over your rights, might I suggest you access a copy of:
Jerusalem Countdown, Authored by John Hagee.

This book may give you some insight of issues churning in Iran. Israel has already been forced to leave the Gaza Strip, with the next step being the West Bank, then Jerusalem. This is part of "The Roadmap for Peace" with Iran, who is perilously close to obtaining Nuclear weaponry. I have only just begun to read the book myself, but will really give you something to think about.

I believe Erika posted earlier, that if you're not involved in terroristic activities, then you really have nothing to be concerned about. I know... I don't like the idea of having my privacy breached by anyone either, but I don't participate in any illegal activities & pay my taxes, so don't believe the Government is listening to my conversations, & don't expect my home to be confiscated anytime soon.

Have read a few other things which rile me, but don't have anymore time to spend.

May God Bless you All,
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#229 Consumer Comment

All this grousing about Republicans....

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Yeah, Clinton did so much to help the American people.

Here's some data you might appreciate. Most likely not.

One thing we can all pretty much agree on, is the fact that Osama Bin laden is the enemy, right? Are we pretty uniform in thinking that b*****d is the mastermind behind the September 11th attack on the World Trade Center? Any dissenters? Okay. Good.

Most don't realize, that he had help. Who was the insipid traitor who helped him? Why, none other than our beloved Head Pervert, Bill Clinton.

More than FIVE times, Bin Laden declared war on the United States, since February 1996. He calls press conferences, on both Arabic and English televisionhe issued communiqus. Clinton was too busy, and thus ignored the threat.

Later that year, in June of 1996, the CIA created the Counter-terrorism unit on the seventh floor of the CIA building, and starts giving Bin laden a little check in from time to time. Meanwhile, Americans are kept in the dark. When the WTC was attacked, the President made One brief statement about it on Saturday morning radiobut had more to say regarding his plans for the economy---which, by the way, were turned down and failed miserably.

His advice regarding the WTC Bombing? Don't overreact to the terrorist attack on the World Trade Center.

He never once visited the WTC, post attack. Even though he was in New Jersey, he didn't want to stop in and offer comfort to the stunned folks in New York. He wanted to save himself the trouble of the fifteen-minute limo ride, so he could talk about Job Training, instead.

**Aydn (sp?) Harbor, October of 2000. The USS Cole sat in neutral waters in a non-threatening positionit was refueling. When attacked, seventeen died and another forty-four were wounded. Ironically, Intel was available in July of 2000, that Al-Qaeda was planning to attack a Naval Vessel.

Key Clinton advisors met, and Richard Clarke's response to the attack on the Cole was Let's blow them up.

Madeline Albright was more concerned for Clinton's Nobel Peace Prize, and warned him that a Military response might upset peace talks with the Middle East, and nullify his chance at the Prize.

Janet Reno (who authorized a S.W.A.T. Military maneuver to collect a small Cuban boy by storming a small mobile home) was hesitant, and wanted a full-scale investigation (which would take months) before a Military response was do-able.

Of course, Tenet was certain that Osama Bin Laden was behind it, but he wanted an investigation, too.

Cohen thought that a vicious attack on a non-threatening Vessel in Neutral waters wasn't sufficient provocation for Military retaliation, so apparently the 17 dead and 44 wounded weren't important enough.

Clinton's failure to grasp the opportunity to unravel increasingly organized extremists, coupled with Berger's assessments of their potential to directly threaten the U.S., represents one of the most serious foreign policy failures in American history.

His comment regarding 9-11:

"The instant that second plane hit, I said to the person with whom I was speaking, 'Bin Laden did this.' I knew immediately. I know what this network can do."
--Clinton

From Investor's Business Daily

Ijaz, an admitted Clinton supporter who helped negotiate these opportunities to nab Bin Laden, said, The silence of the Clinton administration in responding to these offers was deafening.'
Ijaz says that three months before Bin Laden's men blew up the USS Cole in Yemen, he brought the White House another plausible offer to deal with Bin Laden, by then known to be involved in the embassy bombings (in Tanzania and Kenya)... But senior Clinton officials sabotaged the offer.'

Clinton's apparent boredom with vital information extended beyond Sudanese intelligence officers to his own intelligence officers. His first CIA director, James Woolsey, couldn't get a meeting with Clinton in the two years he served. Woolsey left the Clinton administration disgusted with its slovenly approach to national security

To hear Clinton now say We must do more to reduce the pool of potential terrorists' is thus beyond farce. He had numerous opportunities to reduce that pool, and he blew it.

The pool, in fact, grew larger on Clinton's watch, as he spent his final days giving pardons to drug dealers, Puerto Rican terrorists and Marc Rich, a fugitive who topped America's most-wanted list.

May 1998 Interview with Bin Laden

In the first part of this interview which occurred in May 1998, a little over two months before the U.S. embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania, Osama Bin Laden (O.B.L.) answers questions posed to him by some of his followers at his mountaintop camp in southern Afghanistan. In the latter part of the interview, ABC reporter John Miller (J.M.) is asking the questions.

J.M.: Describe the situation when your men took down the American forces in Somalia.

O.B.L.: After our victory in Afghanistan and the defeat of the oppressors who had killed millions of Muslims, the legend about the invincibility of the superpowers vanished. Our boys no longer viewed America as a superpower. So, when they left Afghanistan, they went to Somalia and prepared themselves carefully for a long war. They had thought that the Americans were like the Russians, so they trained and prepared. They were stunned when they discovered how low was the morale of the American soldier. America had entered with 30,000 soldiers in addition to thousands of soldiers from different countries in the world.

O.B.L.: As I said, our boys were shocked by the low morale of the American soldier and they realized that the American soldier was just a paper tiger. He was unable to endure the strikes that were dealt to his army, so he fled and America had to stop all its bragging and all that noise it was making in the press after the Gulf War in which it destroyed the infrastructure and the milk and dairy industry that was vital for the infants and the children and the civilians and blew up dams which were necessary for the crops people grew to feed their families. Proud of this destruction, America assumed the titles of world leader and master of the new world order. After a few blows, it forgot all about those titles and rushed out of Somalia in shame and disgrace, dragging the bodies of its soldiers. America stopped calling itself world leader and master of the new world order, and its politicians realized that those titles were too big for them and that they were unworthy of them. I was in Sudan when this happened. I was very happy to learn of that great defeat that America suffered, so was every Muslim....

J.M.: The American people, by and large, do not know the name Bin Laden, but they soon likely will. Do you have a message for the American people?

O.B.L.: I say to them that they have put themselves at the mercy of a disloyal government, and this is most evident in Clinton's administration...

Here's a rundown. The Clinton administration:

1. Did not follow-up on the attempted bombing of Aden marines in Yemen.

2. Shut the CIA out of the 1993 WTC bombing investigation, hamstringing their effort to capture Bin Laden.

3. Had Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, a key Bin Laden lieutenant, slip through their fingers in Qatar.

4. Did not militarily react to the al Qaeda bombing in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

5. Did not accept the Sudanese offer to turn Bin Laden.

6. Did not follow-up on another offer from Sudan through a private back channel.

7. Objected to Northern Alliance efforts to assassinate Bin Laden in Afghanistan.

8. Decided against using Special Forces to take down Bin Laden in Afghanistan.

9. Did not take an opportunity to take into custody two al Qaeda operatives involved in the East African embassy bombings. In another little scoop, I am able to show that Sudan arrested these two terrorists and offered them to the FBI. The Clinton administration declined to pick them up and they were later allowed to return to Pakistan.

10. Ordered an ineffectual, token missile strike against a Sudanese pharmaceutical factory.

11. Clumsily tipped off Pakistani officials sympathetic to Bin Laden before a planned missile strike against Bin Laden on August 20, 1998. Bin Laden left the camp with only minutes to spare.

12-14. Three times, Clinton hesitated or deferred in ordering missile strikes against Bin Laden in 1999 and 2000.

15. When they finally launched and armed the Predator spy drone plane, which captured amazing live video images of Bin Laden, the Clinton administration no longer had military assets in place to strike the archterrorist.

16. Did not order a retaliatory strike on Bin Laden for the murderous attack on the USS Cole.

Read Richard Miniter's Book Losing Bin Laden

In an interview on Talk Radio:

Lopez: What most surprised you to learn about the Clinton Years and Terrorism?

Miniter: Three things:

1. That the Sept. 11th attacks were planned in May of '98 in the Khalden Camp in East Afghanistan, according to American and British Intelligence Officers I interviewed. In other words, the 9/11 attacks were planned on Clinton's watch.

2. The sheer number of Bin Laden's attacks on Americans during the Clinton years.

3. And how much senior Clinton-Administration officials knew about Bin Laden and how little they did about it.


So don't tell me about Republicans being the only ones responsible for dropping the ball. September 11, 2001 could have been just another sunny and unseasonably pleasant day in New York, if Clinton would have been more concerned for the people of the Country he's supposed to be in charge of, rather than his stupid damned Nobel Prize.

Bill Clinton is getting $12 million for his memoirs; Hillary is getting $8 million dollars for hers, for a total of $20 million. Not bad for a couple that for eight years swore under oath they couldn't remember anything.

Uday Hussein said I fear the end is nearthis President bushhe is not like Clinton.

I'm happy to say he was right!

As far as blaming expensive Space Disasters on a President because he was Republican, try again. Using that same (hideously defective) logic, I can say that when Skylab went up (5/14/73), a Republican was in office (Nixon), it stayed up there through Ford's Presidency, and crashed into Australia when Carter was President. Is it Carter's fault? Most likely, notruthfully, I hadn't checked. But I'm not gonna blame Democrats for Skylab. If you want to look at flaws, check with your Klansman, ByrdI'm sure he has a fat, juicy dossier hidden somewhere.
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#230 Consumer Comment

BUSH HAS CROSSED THE LINE! BUSH HAS GONE TO FAR!! THIS IS TO ALL REPUBLICANS BUSH NEEDS TO BE IMPEACHED

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

It is time to impeach george w. bush!!!!!!! bush has crossed the line with taken peoples privacy away from americans!!!!!!! bush is spying on innocent american people & he has to be stoped bush needs to be impeached bush has crossed the line!!!!!! republicans have crossed the line!!!!!. Bush has no right to do what he is doing bush is going the wrong way in finding terrorist his plan will back fire on him!!!!! bush deserves to be impeached but they are to many brainless people who believe bush is a great president GEORGE W BUSH IS RUINING AMERICA bush does not care for america has much he says he does bush is a class a manipulator republicans called for impeached for president clinton but bush has broken the law also!!!! democrats are calling on bush to be impeached because how bush is running things are wrong & everybody knows it during the clinton years we had no single conflict so sinlge life lossed or diabled thanks to the current president bush!!!! bush does not care for our american soldiers he does not care how many die everyday bottomline is republicans are ruining america bush is not the man to take care of this problem bush deserves to be impeached. We have every legal right to attack & bash bush republicans are ruining things for everybody & they need to be put a stop to!!!!!!! before its to late before every american rights are banned!!!!!.
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#231 Consumer Comment

REPUBLICANS ARE THE CAUSE OF THE TWO SHUTTLE DISASTERS WHICH CLAIMED THE LIVES OF 14 PEOPLE BECAUSE REP DO NOT WANT TO FUND THE SPACE PROGRAM

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Its very funny we have had two shuttle DISASTERS sense republicans have been in control back when challenger happend in 1986 Reagan was president & the space program was grounded for almost 3 years so it is to my beliefs that the republicans are trying to sabotage the space program. Nixon & his republicans cronies banned the moon program because it was to dangerous & to expensive why because democrats are the ones who started the space program if republicans were incontrol during the 60's we would not have a space program today & the russians would have won the space race gotten to the moon before we did & ruined things for the united states for all time!. Know the 2nd shuttle disaster under a knew republican leader GEORGE W BUSH we have another shuttle disaster right when things are going good for nasa to build the new space station & the construction for the space station is grounded till the problem with the foam is fixed or why did nasa chose to send the shuttle up with known problems the orders were directed from the republican leaders to go ahead & launch the space shuttle knowing those people would die coming back so the republicans once again could scrub our space program like they did the moon program!. During the clinton years we had no shuttle disasters from 1988-till-2002 we had no shuttle disasters & that is in a 14 year time frame till GEORGE W BUSH took office we had another shuttle disaster because the republicans told nasa to launch the shuttle with known problems that the shuttle crew could be killed & republicans are trying to sabotage the space program by killing innocent human beings republicans think that the space program is a waste of time & money!. Republicans are trying to sabotage our space program what as it been know almost 4 years sense the second shuttle disaster & we have only had one laung & the shuttle fleet is still grounded we have lost two space shuttles & nasa cannot afford to have another shuttle disaster on their backs then congress would pull the plug on the space program we as americans cannot let this happen think about the people that have died because of because of republicans being incontrol & republicans are trying to ruin our space program!. I do not care if anybody disagrees with me about this or who insults me it does seem very funny sense we have had two republican leaders we have had two shuttle tradies agree or diagree with me but it is what i believe in that we have know had two shuttle disaters & the space program is looking very dark future if they don't get things fixed. This is what the republicans wont to ruin our space program so they can save the money for themselves!.........
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#232 Consumer Comment

Tyler you'er so pathetic you'er not even funny I will not listen to anyone insults who think i am uneducated bush does not care about bin laden

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I am not going to listen to anyone who thinks I am uneducated it is none of nobodys business about me. I will not listen to anyones I can say my point & I will not let anyone scare me away!. Bush does not care about bin laden reason why he has eluded the united states ever sense bush has been president. Makes you wonder if the republicans were in on 9/11 are they that many braindead people like tyler who think bush is a great president bush & his fellow republicans are embarassing us infront of the whole world republicans do not care about america face it tyler not everybody will agree with you or nobody will agree with me but it does not give a right for anybody to insult you or to call names like from your party tyler which will cause republicans to lose in 2008 & to take our country back!
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#233 Consumer Comment

Hey Tyler, schmucks like you that give Republicans everywhere a bad name

AUTHOR: Shawn - (U.S.A.)

Do you realize that it's schmucks like you that give Republicans everywhere a "bad name?" Don't get it? You must be the dumbest person on this thread! Ever hear of . . .civility?

Hold on, Charles, let me handle this boob for you O.K.?

Tyler, take your psuedo-intellect, your untenable theories of your egocentric righteousness, your hyperbolic touting of personal achievement in higher education (which evidence lends to the contrary,) and your incessant squawking that class and pecuniary success are somehow correlated, and shove them up your rectal cavity along with your swollen ego and fecal matter . . . that is, if your brain cell doesn't mind the company!

I tried to tell you nicely, but you had to prove your an ignorant piece of crap . . . so I'm telling you short-form - sit down and shut up, your ignorance is showing to be truly encyclopedic! Now put your dictionary, and your Thesaurus away, and go to bed.

Sincerely,
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#234 Consumer Comment

Hey Tyler, schmucks like you that give Republicans everywhere a bad name

AUTHOR: Shawn - (U.S.A.)

Do you realize that it's schmucks like you that give Republicans everywhere a "bad name?" Don't get it? You must be the dumbest person on this thread! Ever hear of . . .civility?

Hold on, Charles, let me handle this boob for you O.K.?

Tyler, take your psuedo-intellect, your untenable theories of your egocentric righteousness, your hyperbolic touting of personal achievement in higher education (which evidence lends to the contrary,) and your incessant squawking that class and pecuniary success are somehow correlated, and shove them up your rectal cavity along with your swollen ego and fecal matter . . . that is, if your brain cell doesn't mind the company!

I tried to tell you nicely, but you had to prove your an ignorant piece of crap . . . so I'm telling you short-form - sit down and shut up, your ignorance is showing to be truly encyclopedic! Now put your dictionary, and your Thesaurus away, and go to bed.

Sincerely,
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#235 Consumer Comment

Hey Tyler, schmucks like you that give Republicans everywhere a bad name

AUTHOR: Shawn - (U.S.A.)

Do you realize that it's schmucks like you that give Republicans everywhere a "bad name?" Don't get it? You must be the dumbest person on this thread! Ever hear of . . .civility?

Hold on, Charles, let me handle this boob for you O.K.?

Tyler, take your psuedo-intellect, your untenable theories of your egocentric righteousness, your hyperbolic touting of personal achievement in higher education (which evidence lends to the contrary,) and your incessant squawking that class and pecuniary success are somehow correlated, and shove them up your rectal cavity along with your swollen ego and fecal matter . . . that is, if your brain cell doesn't mind the company!

I tried to tell you nicely, but you had to prove your an ignorant piece of crap . . . so I'm telling you short-form - sit down and shut up, your ignorance is showing to be truly encyclopedic! Now put your dictionary, and your Thesaurus away, and go to bed.

Sincerely,
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#236 Consumer Comment

Hey Tyler, schmucks like you that give Republicans everywhere a bad name

AUTHOR: Shawn - (U.S.A.)

Do you realize that it's schmucks like you that give Republicans everywhere a "bad name?" Don't get it? You must be the dumbest person on this thread! Ever hear of . . .civility?

Hold on, Charles, let me handle this boob for you O.K.?

Tyler, take your psuedo-intellect, your untenable theories of your egocentric righteousness, your hyperbolic touting of personal achievement in higher education (which evidence lends to the contrary,) and your incessant squawking that class and pecuniary success are somehow correlated, and shove them up your rectal cavity along with your swollen ego and fecal matter . . . that is, if your brain cell doesn't mind the company!

I tried to tell you nicely, but you had to prove your an ignorant piece of crap . . . so I'm telling you short-form - sit down and shut up, your ignorance is showing to be truly encyclopedic! Now put your dictionary, and your Thesaurus away, and go to bed.

Sincerely,
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#237 Consumer Suggestion

THIS IS ACTUALLY FOR ALL YOU DEMOCRATS.

AUTHOR: Tyler - (U.S.A.)

OH CHARLES, YOUR SOOOOOOO UNEDUCATED

HERE IS A GOOD MATH EQUATION

DEMOCRATS= LAZY, UNEDUCATED, WANTS A HAND OUT, THINKS THE GOVERNMENT OWES THEM SOMETHING, THINKS TAXES ARE STUPID BUT WANTS ALL THE BENEFITS, LIKES TO HAVE UNBORN BABIES KILLED, DOES NOT FEEL THERE HAS TO BE A LIMIT ON WELFARE, PROMOTES KIDS BEING BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK, LIARS, JEALOUS OF GEORGE W. BUSH, DOES NOT SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, AND JUST PLAIN DUMBIES.

THERE YOU GO, SO YOU DEMOCRATS CAN LEAVE THIS FORUM, YOU GUYS SHOULD BE LOCKED UP FOR TREASON FOR BASHING GEORGE W., BUT HEY YOU ALWAYS WANT TO BE HEARD. 3/4'S OF YOU ARE ON SOME TYPE OF GOVERNMENT PROGRAM BUT YOU BASH THE ADMINISTRATION THAT MAKES THOSE POSSIBLE. YOU EVER HEARD THE PHRASE"DONT BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU"
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#238 Consumer Comment

Careful, Charles - you are starting to sound like a Republican!

AUTHOR: Shawn - (U.S.A.)

The feeling with which you wrote that last statement is what we(I) have been trying to "get through to you" for some time now! As I am certain you are aware, it is not a feeling that can easily be described, it is one which can only be experienced.

When you wrote that, I don't beleive that you were thinking as a "Democrat", or as a "Republican", but rather as an American! It doesn't make you say "hey, Bush is doing everything right", as nobody else on any of these reports has ever stated either . . . just some of us have been saying that out of the choices we have been given, Bush has been the best candidate to "get the job done" - that is, to protect Americans from the terrorists and evildoers that would seek to do harm to this great nation!

I am not certain that George Bush would have had my vote had we not been in the position we were in during the last election (although I am certain that John Kerry would never have gotten my vote under any conditions - I believe that man is just vile, through and through! I don't like all the "tactics" that Bush is using "in the interest of National safety", nor do I believe that he is incorruptable, he is, after all just human. I do believe that he has made mistakes as our President, and he is most certainly aware of the mistakes that he has made, but neither he, nor anyone else can turn the clock back and undo those mistakes - as our President, and as an American, he must now do the best he can to ensure the least amount of "damage" is done as a result of thosed errors.

To expect perfection of anybody, even the President of the United States of America, is dangerous, and unrealistic, but we as Americans must join together in solidarity and tell the men and women of the world that would seek to do us harm - "not on our soil, NOT ON OUR SOIL!" That will never be accomplished as long as we continue with the finger-poiting and "blame game politics" that we have seen since the shock of 9/11 wore off. We should . . . MUST, as Americans set aside our petty differences and support our leaders (no matter which political party they hail from)when they deliver their message/s to terrorist countries and leaders throughout the world. When they hear our displeasures, and our demands for peace,etc. resounding in one unified voice of America, they will crap their pants and succumb to the powerful entity which our nation(not our President)was one time viewed to be.

The strength and weakness of our country lay not in the handsof a few men and women, but in the hearts and voices of all men, women, and children who can proudly state that they are Americans! Hold your head high , my freind, and continue walking towards the light!

May God Bless America,
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#239 Consumer Comment

Bush followers are blinding others!!!!!!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

George W Bush is an IMPEACHABLE PRESIDENT! He has lied to American People to invade a sovereign nation. He has also betrayed us Americans. Bush has wiretapped on All U.S. Citizens, and now this a*****e wants to read our searches through internet searches. This is a direct VIOLATION of THE U.S. Constitution!!! I Am the one asking that the people start to RESIST this man, I alsdo ask All Americans to start IMPEECHMENT PROCEEDINGS against this Anti-American but Pro Rich-man!!!!
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#240 Consumer Comment

The united states better be protecting us from another attack & not to be intimated by bin laden

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

The united states better not be letting bin laden get to them & the government better be doing all it can to protect us from the a*****e bin laden who threatens us. Bin laden is trying to scare us we need to show him that he cannot scare us anymore his attempts to destroy the us will back fire on him later so he is only hurting himself & nobody else he will be buring in hell after this bin laden has pissed of alot of americans so he better watch it if it tries to kill our people again! the united states should deport all people from iraq & afgan to stop terrorist from attacking us!. It is our fault their country is so messed up & they need to quit blaming the united states because they are just jealous because we have more freedom then they do bin laden has ruined enough lives in the united states & justice will be served one day & bin laden is just making things bad for himself killing innocent people the american people will stand up to terrorist & show bin laden where he can go!.
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Congratulations to the new democrat of virgina to win the governership & for the many other democrats to win other states to take our country back!!!

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Congratulations to the new democrat governer of virgina to help many more democrats to win to help take our country back!!!! from how the republicans have divided our good country & how republicans are embarassing us making us look like fools to the rest of the world. If republicans care so much for america they why do they like to embarass us infront of other countries who are laughing their a*s of at us the next democrat will win the 2008 election to get out country back on track! & republicans will lose repect from all the american people & will never gain respect ever again!
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Charles why so much hatred?

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Charles,

You claim that you are a christian from your previous posts.How come each of your posts you say that you hate all republicans, and anyone whosw opinion does not agree with yours.

Please tell me where in the bible it states that you should hate people as you do?

MY bible says to love everyone if they do not agree with you......

Don't forget your buddy Bill Clinton's administration knew about the terrorist cell in this country about a year before 9-11. They did absolutelky nothing. The only reason we can't impeach him is because he is out of office. Also remember that both him and Jimmy Carter bugged their opponents offices when they were in office. Maybe according to your laws this is OK.
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#243 Consumer Comment

Why the silence? James . . .Lori . . . - once again the "bashers" have been thoroughly proven to have offered nothing but their usual rhetoric and blatant spin!

AUTHOR: Shawn - (U.S.A.)

Hmmmm . . . once again the "bashers" have been thoroughly proven to have offered nothing but their usual rhetoric and blatant spin! Does it really surprise anyone that there is sudden silence from the "left" after such a beating? I'm sure that they are huddled in the dark corners of their ramshackle abodes, clutching the remote control - fast forward, play, fast forward, play . . . come on Mike, gimme something they can't disprove - lol!

How pathetic it is the way they "run away" instead of having the integrity to stand and say "I guess I was wrong, but I ________.( Fill in the blank with whatever denunciation of Bush you wish - the constant need to refute your lies, or, uh . . . repetative misunderstandings, tends to be what keeps these threads going.) But, I have yet to witness any person who's ideology leans left of centre, admit to being or doing wrong at any level! The closest thing to admittance of wrong for these clowns is silence, or a new assault on a new topic, without ever again the mention or memory of the topic of their defeat!

How almost 50 % of the population can survive in such denial of fact, reality, and truth is beyond my understanding. How do these people earn a living? Do they seek out jobs in their own clandestine organizations of "the anti-reality society"? Is this why so many times we find that certain positions are dominated by those with a political stance of far left (or far right, depending upon the job)? Take a look at the "educators" in today's society. I have heard everything from the nonsensical, to the ludicrous, come out of their mouths when "teaching" our children.


I recall one incedent where a history teacher told his grade 10 class that "During Clinton's presidency, we were not involved in a single conflict, never lost the life of a single soldier, and never had to fire a single round of ammunition" - he went on to talk about the "butcher" that George Bush is and the obvious need for impeachment. When I questioned him on the legal basis for impeachment, he responded much the same as all on this thread who have touted the same need for impeachment . . . empty rhetoric and unproven accusations (which most, even if proven, wouldn't constitute impeachment anyway)what is it that makes "lie-berals" think that an action against their beliefs is an impeachment issue?

Still waiting for answers (not just more accusations) from Ben, Lori, and the "James twins".

May God Bless America,
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#244 Consumer Comment

Just popping in...

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Hello again...I just happened to look into the Reports I've posted on, and see there's a few new entries.

Erika...
I appreciate your supportive arguments (and I'm really flattered you think I'm a 'smooth fireball'!), and think of you as just as eloquent in your candor as anyone else here. Myself, I couldn't contest old-fashioned experience---it's the greatest and toughest of teachers, because often, the test is administered long before the lesson! :D

Bless your sweet heart; I think you're awesome!

And Charles! :D Wow!
Much better and lots easier to read! Thank you for taking the time to separate your text and present your thoughts in a much more efficient format. Definitely an A-plus!

Now, if you are willing to read a short book about the Clinton years, I'd like to introduce you to a book titled "The final Days" By Barbara Olson. It's about the last-minute activities of the First Couple during the last days they spent in Office.

Like I said...Bush is no angel...and I don't claim he's perfect. But if you want a good look at the depth of the issues surrounding the Clintons, that Book is a good place to look. See, Barbara Olson lost her life in the plane crash on 9-11 that hit the Pentagon...just two days before her book was to be printed.

And the only President that got away with more, and had more exceptions made for him, was Clinton. Did you know that it's a prerequisite for a Presidential Nominee to have served in some capacity, in the Nation's Military? Clinton never served; in fact, he was A.W.O.L.

He is the only President who was a sitting president, to have rape charges leveled against him.

He was the only President who was a felon.

He had the taxes of people he didn't like combed over by the IRS--and had them audited.

He has completely destroyed any forward-moving steps made in progress of sexual harassment.

One of his most useful lessons: "Eatin' ain't cheatin'."

There are at least 30 Internet sites keeping track of the people in Clinton's****. />
But I have to digressI appreciate that you've put some extra effort into your rebuttal construct. You've proven that you are far and away a more reasonable sort than James of Tupper.I had a feeling you were! :)
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Just popping in...

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Hello again...I just happened to look into the Reports I've posted on, and see there's a few new entries.

Erika...
I appreciate your supportive arguments (and I'm really flattered you think I'm a 'smooth fireball'!), and think of you as just as eloquent in your candor as anyone else here. Myself, I couldn't contest old-fashioned experience---it's the greatest and toughest of teachers, because often, the test is administered long before the lesson! :D

Bless your sweet heart; I think you're awesome!

And Charles! :D Wow!
Much better and lots easier to read! Thank you for taking the time to separate your text and present your thoughts in a much more efficient format. Definitely an A-plus!

Now, if you are willing to read a short book about the Clinton years, I'd like to introduce you to a book titled "The final Days" By Barbara Olson. It's about the last-minute activities of the First Couple during the last days they spent in Office.

Like I said...Bush is no angel...and I don't claim he's perfect. But if you want a good look at the depth of the issues surrounding the Clintons, that Book is a good place to look. See, Barbara Olson lost her life in the plane crash on 9-11 that hit the Pentagon...just two days before her book was to be printed.

And the only President that got away with more, and had more exceptions made for him, was Clinton. Did you know that it's a prerequisite for a Presidential Nominee to have served in some capacity, in the Nation's Military? Clinton never served; in fact, he was A.W.O.L.

He is the only President who was a sitting president, to have rape charges leveled against him.

He was the only President who was a felon.

He had the taxes of people he didn't like combed over by the IRS--and had them audited.

He has completely destroyed any forward-moving steps made in progress of sexual harassment.

One of his most useful lessons: "Eatin' ain't cheatin'."

There are at least 30 Internet sites keeping track of the people in Clinton's****. />
But I have to digressI appreciate that you've put some extra effort into your rebuttal construct. You've proven that you are far and away a more reasonable sort than James of Tupper.I had a feeling you were! :)
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Just popping in...

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Hello again...I just happened to look into the Reports I've posted on, and see there's a few new entries.

Erika...
I appreciate your supportive arguments (and I'm really flattered you think I'm a 'smooth fireball'!), and think of you as just as eloquent in your candor as anyone else here. Myself, I couldn't contest old-fashioned experience---it's the greatest and toughest of teachers, because often, the test is administered long before the lesson! :D

Bless your sweet heart; I think you're awesome!

And Charles! :D Wow!
Much better and lots easier to read! Thank you for taking the time to separate your text and present your thoughts in a much more efficient format. Definitely an A-plus!

Now, if you are willing to read a short book about the Clinton years, I'd like to introduce you to a book titled "The final Days" By Barbara Olson. It's about the last-minute activities of the First Couple during the last days they spent in Office.

Like I said...Bush is no angel...and I don't claim he's perfect. But if you want a good look at the depth of the issues surrounding the Clintons, that Book is a good place to look. See, Barbara Olson lost her life in the plane crash on 9-11 that hit the Pentagon...just two days before her book was to be printed.

And the only President that got away with more, and had more exceptions made for him, was Clinton. Did you know that it's a prerequisite for a Presidential Nominee to have served in some capacity, in the Nation's Military? Clinton never served; in fact, he was A.W.O.L.

He is the only President who was a sitting president, to have rape charges leveled against him.

He was the only President who was a felon.

He had the taxes of people he didn't like combed over by the IRS--and had them audited.

He has completely destroyed any forward-moving steps made in progress of sexual harassment.

One of his most useful lessons: "Eatin' ain't cheatin'."

There are at least 30 Internet sites keeping track of the people in Clinton's****. />
But I have to digressI appreciate that you've put some extra effort into your rebuttal construct. You've proven that you are far and away a more reasonable sort than James of Tupper.I had a feeling you were! :)
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Just popping in...

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Hello again...I just happened to look into the Reports I've posted on, and see there's a few new entries.

Erika...
I appreciate your supportive arguments (and I'm really flattered you think I'm a 'smooth fireball'!), and think of you as just as eloquent in your candor as anyone else here. Myself, I couldn't contest old-fashioned experience---it's the greatest and toughest of teachers, because often, the test is administered long before the lesson! :D

Bless your sweet heart; I think you're awesome!

And Charles! :D Wow!
Much better and lots easier to read! Thank you for taking the time to separate your text and present your thoughts in a much more efficient format. Definitely an A-plus!

Now, if you are willing to read a short book about the Clinton years, I'd like to introduce you to a book titled "The final Days" By Barbara Olson. It's about the last-minute activities of the First Couple during the last days they spent in Office.

Like I said...Bush is no angel...and I don't claim he's perfect. But if you want a good look at the depth of the issues surrounding the Clintons, that Book is a good place to look. See, Barbara Olson lost her life in the plane crash on 9-11 that hit the Pentagon...just two days before her book was to be printed.

And the only President that got away with more, and had more exceptions made for him, was Clinton. Did you know that it's a prerequisite for a Presidential Nominee to have served in some capacity, in the Nation's Military? Clinton never served; in fact, he was A.W.O.L.

He is the only President who was a sitting president, to have rape charges leveled against him.

He was the only President who was a felon.

He had the taxes of people he didn't like combed over by the IRS--and had them audited.

He has completely destroyed any forward-moving steps made in progress of sexual harassment.

One of his most useful lessons: "Eatin' ain't cheatin'."

There are at least 30 Internet sites keeping track of the people in Clinton's****. />
But I have to digressI appreciate that you've put some extra effort into your rebuttal construct. You've proven that you are far and away a more reasonable sort than James of Tupper.I had a feeling you were! :)
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continuing on -

AUTHOR: Erika - (U.S.A.)

On the topic of religion, and I will try to keep this from being long and sour - in other words I'll keep it short and sweet. - To draw a parallel, I got an internet mail from my youngest brother today, and it did a pretty tootin job of explaining hows I feel, but I am changing it a little bit anyways juast to make it my own
- I don't believe in Santa Claus, but I'm not going to sue somebody for singing a h*o-h*o song in December! Understand? I believe Darwin is full of crap, but I didn't go out and hire a lawyer when my daughters teacher taught his theory of evolution.

Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not be endangered because someone says a 30-second prayer before a high school football game. Its not like somebody is trying to read the entire Bible to the stadium. They're just talking to a God they believe in and asking him to grant safety to the players on the field and the fans going home from the game. What is wrong with that!

Some just b***h because it's Christian bu,t this is the United States of America, a country founded on Christian principles. According to statistics, Christian churches outnumber all others combined by 200-to-1 or more. So what would you expect-somebody chanting Hare Krishna?

If I went to a football game in Jerusalem, I would expect to hear a Jewish prayer and if I went in Baghdad, I would expect to hear a Muslim prayer. In China I would expect to hear someone pray to Buddha and I would not be offended it wouldn't bother me one bit, nor should it - don't tell me they don't use that saying anymore about When in Rome do as the Romans.

Americans who are athiests? Just like the homosexuals, f**k em. - nobody is asking them to be baptized or donate to a collection plate. Just humor us for 30 seconds. bring a radio with headphones or a pair of ear plugs or go to the bathroom or go get a drink if it bothers you that much.
Unfortunately, one or two sucks will just call their lawyer and those one or two will tell thousands what they can and cannot do. I don't think a short prayer at a football game is going to shake the world's foundations.

The courts have taken awaay our rights to a freedom of religion, this was the first right they took away from Americans and now many of you have been lied to about it and you beleve the lies without question because it helps satisfy your beliefs. Many who claim the constitution is their guide have not ever read the constitution in its original and full form I think. A handful of people and their lawyers are telling us to not pray because it offends them - God help us! And if that last little bit offends you, well ...just sue me!.

McCarthy was a great American who has been wrongly judged and falsely accused by the television news people - once again, experience!

And now for all this ado about our state of affairs now - Junior aint the brightest bulb on the tree, but he's still one of the bulbs on the main tree when most of us are lucky to even make it off the shelf at walmart. He didn't steal any votes - I have seen stolen elections in my life but not recently. There may or may not have been a few mistakwes made in Florida, but I don't think any were intentional or the courts would have discovered them and ruled accordingly. There have been enough investigations that have turned up nothing and that should be enough to convince any reasonable person.

Bin LadeWaden Ding Dong and Sadman Hussyen or whatever the crazy names are of these men who Bush Juniour wanted a fight with are really evil men who deserve nothing less than to be tortured and treated as they have treated others. Maybe some of you are forgetting, but the president was trying to muster up support to go into Iraq before the World trade center disaster but you are saying he went there instead of after Bin Louden. I don't know how he spells his name but I think you all know who I mean. From what little I see on the news and read in the paper, and from what I hear in discussions around me, I am led to believe thaat we still have soldiers and equipment in Afganistan looking for bin louden. This would be the first president I have ever seen that didn't have more than one war or military action happening at the same time. Who ever said that it was one or the other? We need to get them both and we are way done!

Taxes we pay no matter which party is in the white house. Same as unemployment, medical, and retirement is up and down and I never really noticed anything better under one party or another. Learn this now and save some arguing - your votes wont change your life all good or all bad, its just like anything else in life - there's give and take. Republicans give sum things and take others and Democrats give others and take some sums! We all vote on what we are willing to give up, and what we feel we need that each party is bribing us with so they can take what we feel we don't need.

You can please some all of the time, and all some of the time, but never can you please all all of the time. This president just doesn't give a s**t which of those he is doing at any given time and I got to respect him for that. It is about time we had somebody with the cajones to do what they beli8eve is right, even if you, me and a bunch of others disagree. We don't have all the facts which he makes the decisions on, anbd we won't likely for another 5 or ten years! You and I don't l;ikely have the time to learn all the facts he has in such short of a time anyway - that is why we, a republic, elect government officials - to act on behalf of their constituents! Sometimes they will make all happy - you know the rest!

Fingers are cramping up agasin so I guess that means I overstayed any welcome I may have had. Wont likely see me back again for quite some time, if ever - depends on how much I can take next time! By the way Carles, your last posting was a wonderful improvement in both readability and grammar, as well as civility - certainly an A+ for effort - good job!

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James you are right - If bill clinton or any other democrat is doing the same thing bus is doing they would have impeached clinton or recalled him long before know.

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

again,,,If bill clinton or any other democrat is doing the same thing bus is doing they would have impeached clinton or recalled him long before know.

Why does the bush's get away with everything because they think they have all the power in the world & they think the american people are stupid if clinton done half the s**t that bush jr is doing he would have been impeached & thrown out of the white house but clinton had to many people fighting for him not to let that happen & republicans are still pissed today because he was not thrown out.

If clinton was caught spying on americans the republicans would have bickered & b***h about it like they did to him for 8 years & are still complaing about him this is why bush is so hated & the republican party they love to attack democrats & make lives for the middle class & poor people more harder then it already is because republicans do not give a d**n!.

If any democrat while president is doing the things bush is doing they would have been impeached or recalled but bush has to many people covering up for himself republicans think that they can break the law & get away with it!.
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Sore fingers, but i had to correct an error

AUTHOR: Erika - (U.S.A.)

Allow me to correct myself, I stated it was our 57th anniversary and that was a finger not hitting the right button mistake. Yesterday was only our 47th anniversary. My husband has been giving me hard times about it all night so I wont accept it from anyone else! joking My fingers are cramped so this will stay short, I just wanted to correct myself and stress a point that I may not always be right about whats best for an entire country - that is why we elect politicians to argue for us, but I know what is best for an individual - believe in something, fight for your rights if you are right, and let others live their own life - you will have plenty enough on your own plate if you attend to it.
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I can't take it any more!!!!!

AUTHOR: Erika - (U.S.A.)

I have been reading these reports for quite some time now and I just cant remain silent any more! I have always considered myself a middle of the road kinda gal when it comes to politics, I guess you could say libertarian by what i've read. I believe it was someone from Texas who best described it some time ago. They said something along the lines of - "do what you want, just don't expect me to pay for it!" - that sums up my felings on the matter!

I come from a poverty stricken, broken home and I have 7 brothers and 4 sisters. Three of my brothers have died from alcohol and drug related means and one of my sisters is currently on her way there. The rest of us have all climbed out of the proverbial gutters one way or another. I won't tell the others stories, but I can certainly speak for myself and my own motivations.

I was also heading down a path of what I now realize was self-destruction. By the time I was 18, I had my first child, dropped out of school, and lived for the weekend parties. By the time I was 25, I was divorced once, the day of the week didn't matter, my child was with her father . . . somewhere, and I was in yet another of a long list of relationships with a) an abuser, or b) an enabler. I had no hope that life was ever to change in any way - I was satisfied with the rut I was in and I was not willing to do anything to change except get drunk again - maybe i'd try vodka, instead of gin this week!

I know it's a long intro but I just want to make clear that i've been there, so dont anyone dare say i don't understand! I was a very "liberal person who fought for those who couldn't fight for themselves. My gay brother was constantly harrassed and ridiculed, and losing his job after job because of his sexuality. Naturally, since there was nothing in my life to fight fo, I took up the fight for his rights! That was quite the experience and without getting into to much detyail, it certainly gave me a perspective that can only be gotten from being on the inside.

I had three abortions in my life, and marched for the right to do so - I marched in many demonstrations thoughout my life, and if I had the strength to do so now, I would continue. Let that be a clue as to my age, I can almost gaurantee you that I am the most senior contributor to this thread - but don't think Ive reached senile yet, I can still outsmart any pup that comes along trying to piss on my fire hydrant - experience has taught me well!

I am not as eloquent in my speech as Shawn or B, and i might not be as smooth as that fireball Vera - I envy her spirit, it reminds me of my younger days - go get em girl!!! I also knowe that i dont speak out my tush like some of the jackasses on here, claiming the knowledge buit never having opened their front door to see if its true! I swear that some of you suffer from chicken little syndrome!

Don't go gettin your briches hiked up for nuthing, I don't like this Bush Jr. guy much as my president, but considering the pansies running against him I don't think we had much choice. As far as all these accussations against him, well, only time will tell whether or not they are true and all this finger pointing and crying ain't going to change spit right now! And besides, if your not a suspected terrorist, they are not tapping your phones and such- it isnt as if he randomly picks citizens to spy on just in case our intellgence services are missing their mark! I learnt along time ago that if i keep getting my panties in a bunch over stuff that don't concern me, i walk around with a wedgie most of my day.

On the topic of spelling and grammar - I know you dont hear this from an old broad like me very often, but, piss off and shut the hell up! That goes for both sides - one says it for humor, the other for sarcasm then it somehow moots validity then blabber, blabber, blabber! If you all stuck to the topics which certainly are not what the idiot drunk(voice of experience) who started this report listed them as. I do know that most of his talking has been proved wrong ar at least questionable. Mind you so has alot of the other sides statements.

If nobody minds too terribly much I am going to give you all my opinion - shove your facts shawn, experience and first hand knowledge trumps facts in this report! To start with, to those who have lived so-called hard lives - stop whining and pick yourself up - if you are old enough to know republican from democrat you're to old to have someone wiping your a*s for you - you are the only person in your life that can determine whether you are a success or failure and you are the only one who has control of your future. Can't change the past, so leave it where it is. On the topic of gay rights - f**k em! Rights come from within a persons heart and soul - not to sound religeous ( I haven't been to a church in over 5 years) but God gives us our rights, not the government, and for as long back as I can remember people have had to fight the government for those rights - no matter who is in office! If the fags have rights, let them fight for them themselves - I for one have discovered that no matter how much they try to disguise it as a loving and sacred relationship - I have yet to see any one of them that isnt morally and mentally twisted in some way or another - and I don't mean that in reference to just their gayness!

Abortion - call me a hypocrite, but experience has taught me that it is one of the most vile things a woman can do to herself - never mind that potential life she's snuffing! Not using morallity as an argument, just want you to think, what if that baby was to be the one who discovered a cure for cancer, or the one that should have run for office against Bush? On a personal note please stop comparing him to Ronald Reagan, he was a good man and a good president and besides, I had a crush on that handsome devil since the first moving picture I saw with him in it!

I dont plan on being a daily reporter so im sorry if this is too long. I really do have more to say but my fingers feel as though they are about to fall off - i wiil have to double up on the aspirin I guess! If I recouperate by tommorrow I will finish this then, if not, I may be dead before I get a chance to finish! I'm just joking - old bitches like me live forever don't you know!

By the way, I met a wonderful man when I was in my early thirties who showed me what I had to live for and stood by me through good times and bad, and today he even brought me breakfast in bed! Happy 57th Anniversarry to us!

Now grow up and live
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#252 Consumer Comment

Shawn-California, you are useless!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

Shawn, you may like Bush and approve but you have not 1 intelligent thing to say about this war. I wish you were drafted into it. It is easy to say you want war or death until you see it first-hand. Bush was wrong and it has been proven, as well as his spying on American People. Bush BROKE THE LAW, He now needs to be IMPEACHED! My god if Clinton would have done half of what Bush did he would have been put on a cross and burned. Bush seems to above everyone else! WHY???? Is the Bush family so powerful they can do what they want, at the expense of the American People???? I want impeachment for this Prseident!!! I will accept NO less. We need neutral Presidents, neutral Representatives, and neutral Senators. We need to put a great life back on track. "We all breathe the same air, we all cherish our childrens future, we our all mortal!"
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#253 Consumer Comment

Ummm, Lori, I hate to burn your soapbox, but . . .

AUTHOR: Shawn - (U.S.A.)

Perhaps you should do some factchecking before touting such inaccurate statements!

First, do you actually think that the President is directly involved in the day to day operations of F.E.M.A., or any other agency of the federal government? Let's, to avoid argument on such a ludicrous topic, say that he actually IS directly involved(lmao) with the daily operations of F.E.M.A. All in all, regarding the wildfires in Oklahoma, I would say at he has been on top of things since the start! Don't take my word for it, just look at the facts (rather than your democrat politicians spin and lies as witnessed through a 90 second liberal media's news blurb):

Release Date: September 19, 2000

Washington, D.C. -- Federal funds were made available today by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to help Oklahoma fight uncontrolled wildfires . . .

11/28/05 - release date -11/30/05
FEMA ANSWERS GOVERNOR'S REQUEST FOR FEDERAL ASSISTANCE
Gov. Brad Henry has requested federal disaster assistance to help cover expenses related to fighting the recent rash of Oklahoma wildfires. The request to the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) identifies the fires that began in Stephens, Mayes, Garvin and McIntosh counties on Nov. 27 to be the most damaging. FEMA today approved the requests for the Flat Rock area fires, which began in Mayes County and the Velma area fires which began in Stephens County. If approved for the other two counties, fire suppression grant dollars would be available to assist local governments and volunteer fire departments that responded to these blazes. OEM is monitoring the situation to determine if the state qualifies for further assistance. On Nov. 28 the governor issued an emergency wildfire declaration, a prelude necessary for the federal request. (Please take note of the last sentence here - What took your Governor so long to make an emergency wildfire declaration? - Federal funds had been made available, and were there for the asking as early as 9/19/05 !)

1/1/06 - release date - 1/3/06

The following fires were approved for Fire Management Assistance Grants (from F.E.M.A.):
Oklahoma

-Hughes County Fire Complex, Hughes and Seminole counties, Oklahoma , which has burned more than 2,600 acres.
-Depew Fire Complex in Creek County , Oklahoma , which has burned more than a thousand acres and threatened 1,450 homes in Bristow , Okla.
-Wainwright Fire Complex in Muskogee County , Oklahoma , which has burned more than 4,000 acres and threatened nearly 12,000 homes in Muskogee , Okla.
-Shamrock Fire Complex in Creek County , Oklahoma , which threatened more than 300 homes in Drumright and Shamrock, Okla.
-Bethel Acres Fire in Pottawatomie County , Oklahoma , which has burned more than 600 acres and threatened 50 homes in Bethel , Okla.
-Cashion Fire Complex in Kingfisher County , Oklahoma , which has burned more than 12,800 acres and threatened more than 100 homes in Cashion , Okla.
-Guthrie Fire in Logan County , Oklahoma , which has burned more than 1,000 acres and threatened approximately 100 homes in Guthrie , Okla.
-Sapulpa Fire Complex in Creek County, Oklahoma, which has burned more than 800 acres and threatened more than 6,500 homes near Kellyville, Okla.
-Prague Fire Complex in Lincoln and Okfuskee counties, Oklahoma , which has burned more than 640 acres and threatened 2,650 homes in eight communities.
-63rd Street Fire in Oklahoma County , Oklahoma , which has burned some 700 acres near Oklahoma City . The fire threatened 85 homes outside the city.
-Eastern Oklahoma County Fire Complex, Oklahoma , which has destroyed 12 homes and threatened 680 residents.
-Achille Fire Complex, Bryan County, Oklahoma, which is burning on each side of Achille , Okla. Ten homes have been destroyed and another 165 are threatened.
1/3/06 - release date - 1/6/06
The following fire was approved for by the new Fire Management Assistance Grants:
-Eufaula Fire in McIntosh County , which is threatening 800 homes in the Town of Eufaula .
-Plus the two more added on the ninth - Henrietta and McNally Flat fires.

The Federal resources currently assigned to aid in the Oklahoma wildfires include:(as of January 10/06)

-51 crews
-180 engines
-27 helicopters
-923 overhead personnel
-3,032 total personnel

So, Lori, where (exactly) is it that F.E.M.A. has failed regardless of your local and state officials timely requests? Looks like you're pointing fingers in the wrong direction . . . again!

CHARLES, . . .
. . . your story has truly touched my heart! Surely, you are one of but a few unfortunate souls that have had to endure such challenging and ignomious conditions throughout your lifetime! As you stated, you are truly blessed to have a roof over your head, regardless of any extra spending money which may or may not be made available! Your "father", and I use that term in the biological sense only, certainly does owe you more than what I am led to believe he will ever have the ability to pay! You are in an unavoidably wretched situation! You have my sympathy.

"Sympathy" can be found in the dictionary (most any of the English language) located somewhere between s**t and syphilis - and that's where it belongs! Do you think you are the only person in America that comes from a broken home? The only person that comes from a home riddled with substance abuse, as well as physical, mental, and/or verbal abuse? Do you think that by your sitting back and staying a victim, not allowing yourself to make it in today's world, refusing to accept your share of responsibility for your own life and your own current state of affairs - makes your father a Loser? He has already proven himself a loser - regardless of how your life turns out!

By remaining down and not taking charge of your own life - by living dependant on others - you allow schmucks like your father to win - by creating another loser in society - who, just like your father, refuses to take responsibility for their own actions, and always looks to outside influences to blame for their own doings. Just as nobody put the bottle in his (your father's) hands, nobody has put the dependance on social programs in yours!

You make the decision, my friend, to remain a victim and let your father win? Or you take charge of your own life, refusing to let negative influences control your thoughts and actions, and thereby climb out of your self-pity induced poverty and anger. From the voice of experience, Charles, I can tell you that when you make that choice, nothing, and nobody (past or present) will ever have the ability to put you back into the dark little hole you live in now. You will experience joy, and freedom like you've never known to exist, and you will be looked up to by all who's path you cross - and, with a vengeful smile, you can wave your success in the face of your father and others like him and proudly, if not smugly, state: My success has NOTHING to do with you . . . I win . . . LOSER!

God Bless America
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#254 Consumer Comment

Funny you should mention that, Shawn...

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

I was watching Tee Vee a couple nights ago, and was bored enough to actually watch [Adult Swim] on that Cartoon channel.

There's this show called "Robot Chicken"---don't know if you've seen it, but it's a show where these toys are animated (stop-motion-style) and made to act out certain skits and parodize or satirize shows on telly today.

I just happened to catch a quick scene where this toy rhino was grinding away on a toy car...a closer look and you could tell--it was a Hummer!

I think I woke my Daughter with my laughter...what a coincidence!

I know this isn't pertinent to the discussion, but I thought it was funny and wanted to share. :D
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#255 Consumer Comment

A note to Charles....

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

One bite at a timethat's how you eat an elephant.

And would you believe, that little sound bit of advice came from a person I couldn't stand? Her name was Carlaand no matter how much I disliked her personally, I marveled at her experience and efficiency in the office, and modeled my own working style after hers. Like her or don't, I had tremendous respect for her, because she accomplished a lot in short order. Her office skills were enviable. As a result of my exposure to her, my own productivity and efficiency increased multifold.

Was she a superhero? NO. In fact, I was her superior, physically. But in matters of office affairs, I was definitely an underlinga thumb in the middle of a palm, if you will. If I wasn't on the construction site, I was a fish out of water; I was working in an office, so I wasa fish in the middle of a busy intersection in the middle of Arizona. Hehh.

RelaxI am going somewhere with this. Trust me. :)

Now Carla was a tiny, utterly diminutive little gal in her late fifties/early sixties. But her slightly smug attitude and her ego doubled her size and halved her age. She knew she was good at what she did. Under her (unknown) tutelage, I quickly developed into a better office-worker, using her example as a template. She couldn't figure out how to use a database (she was what you'd call Old-School Office')Whaddaya know! I'm handy with computers. the copier machine would act up. either Lynn or myself would step in and fix the problem. Seemed like everyone could learn something new from someone else.

The point is, to work with your strengths, and grow beyond your weaknesses, and that even people whom you think suck can provide you with a new perspective or skill. The beauty of it is, you don't have to throw a party or even thank the people you think are the pits or try to make them like you. Use every possible circumstance to gainnot to blame.

How many of us truly rejoice at the story of a young girl who grows up poor and miserable, and gets married to some jerk who's just as poor and miserable, and together, they continue the cycle of misery and poverty? How many of us rejoice when this couple makes more kidlings for the System to support?

Somehow, I don't see movies like that making it to close to any box offices.

Staying bitter and lashing out is only gonna keep the boulder on your chest. (Plus, it has the odd effect of deterring folks who want to help edify you.) Until you decide you don't want this burden any longer, it's not going to budge. Blaming others is worthless and non productiveand it's sad, to have had to endure that (a lifestyle with an abusive alcoholic Dad), but it's no one else's fault that you are where you are today. If your mind is sharp and your body is sound, the only things holding you back form success is your own fears and insecurities. And those things are no one else's fault but your own.

A good example would be Star Parker. If you get a chance, get your hands on one of her books (a good one is Pimps, Whores, and Welfare Babies, followed closely by Uncle Sam's Plantation). The first book tells her personal story, how she was bought into a world of Government Assistance, and learned how to exploit it. Then she realized that Public Assistance and all of its arms have done little good in helping the Black (and other impoverished) communities rise out of the muck of poverty---in fact, it's more responsible for putting them there than anything, by creating tantalizing forms of dependency. Happily, she gets out of it and gets herself on the right track. Today, she is a successful journalist and lobbyist, founder of Coalition of Urban Renewal and Education (CURE).

She's a big staple in my libraryin fact, you might even say, she has a Starring role. Hers are in the top THREE of books I'd recommend for anyone to read. (Others would include Shelby Steele, Larry Elder, David Limbaugh, Bernard Goldberg, Joseph FarahI so love books!)

--Ahemh! Anyhoo.
Star is like many who, at some point, decided to stop playing the blame game and get to their feet and do something to effect change for the better in their lives. Anyone can do itit's just a matter of personal evaluation and according response. Rather than Why Me?, it should be, Do I like where I'm at? Can I make enough of a difference to change it? What can I do to make the good stay, and the bad go away? Or whatever equivalent questions you'd use to get the same process going. A good idea is to find someone who you think has made a good impact on society and created some level of success, and emulate those efforts.

And before you go and tell me I have no idea what it's like to be broke and shift from home to home, don't bother. I've been there, done that, got the tee shirt, and the complimentary grab-bag. Do I wish to carry the grab-bag all my life? No. I use my past as a reference point.

Besidesthe best revenge (that is, if you're the type that's motivated by revenge) against an a*****e like your Dad is to become successful. I knowwhen I succeed, it seems to tick my Dad off that I don't need him. Even worse, that I have a lot more going on in my life at my age than he did when he was my age. And I'm not the only one of his kids that feels this waywe all kinda give ol' Dad the cold shoulder.

That man has taught us [his kidlets] absolutely nothing about success as a result of effort. He was a selfish, greedy adolescent who wanted everyone's pity when things were hard for himthen demanded everyone's veneration and adulation when things were going his way. Anything he had to say to his kids was usually demeaning and insulting, and often, at the swing of a leather belt. He was always in pursuit of the Angleyou know the one---the Angle that assured his place in the Easy Life. He worked harder looking for the Angle than he did to ensure prosperity for his Family. Really a shame, toomy Father's talent in Automotive Collision Repair was unparalleled. PheNOMinal! He could have made sick-huge money on his skills in bodywork. But the Angle was too important, and worth any cost. His Family was disposable, for the sake of the Angle. You see, it was all about HIM.

Whenever one of his miserable decisions failed, he knew whom to blamehis kids. When Mom got sick, it was stress caused byyou guessed it!---The Kids. Mom wasn't much comfort to turn to in our younger yearsif she wasn't busy being gone, her presence was often accompanied by melancholy, spiced with psychological abuse or emotional turmoil. Add all this joy-joy to the constant need to move, never knowing which Utility would be shut off that month (Remember, it was President Reagan who passed a law forbidding utility companies from shutting off service during the winter! I was over eighteen when Reagan was President.), or when we'd eat next, and you have a quick synopsis of my childhood.

And there's only a small piece of that reference point I mentioned earlier. Where am I today? Much better off. What did I learn from it? Simplethat my children will never (and never have) live like that. And each of my childrenboth stepkids and biological offspring---have an awesome work ethic, and understand that their lives are shaped directly by their decisions. When they fail, it's on them. When they succeed, it's on them.

And I can't tell you how many times since I had worked in that office long ago that I have told them: You gotta eat this elephant one bite at a time.
Here's your steak knife and your forkdig in while it's hot.

And by the way, Charlesyour spelling isn't so bad. I really do want to hear what you have to say whether it agrees with my view or not. I just wish you'd leave comments like white trash (coz trash comes in ALL colors) and other such offensive racial epithets out of it, for one, and for two, that you'd space your paragraphs to make your commentary easier to read.

Many folks don't realize that they breathe differently when they read (same with listening to a fast talker). If they come across many long sentences in a large clump, it's physically uncomfortable to read. Subconsciously, a person often tries to read like they try to speak. And it's also visually difficult to focus on lots of words together in a group and get the idea when punctuation and capitalization aren't present.

Also, if you'd present your information backed up with something more verifiable, it would sure help us to understand what motivates your thoughts and ideas, and why you feel the way you do. We can easily tell you're passionate about your views! And speaking (if only) for myself, I'd like to see the things that lead you in your thought process.

Here before you lies a pair of opportunities: One, you can snarl at me and tell me I'm a b***h because I think I'm so much more of an educated piece of Republican white trash (which isn't true on ANY level) or, you can chose the option to be civil and join the discussion as a sensible adult would (taking my suggestions per your writing merits is just a suggestionand at your discretion, purely).

Myself, I wouldn't DREAM of denying you your right to free speech. What you have to say is important, and does matteras is HOW you state it. And it doesn't have to agree with what I have to say, either. Such is the delight of debate! Please bear in mind, that one angry sling begets another, most commonly. And just like you have the right to be respected, so does everyone else here. Peace be with you. ;)
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#256 Consumer Comment

Bad news services in OK?

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

Lori,

I have news for you. A quick check of the FEMA website (fema.gov) will show that FEMA is providing funding assistance for 13 fires in the past 2 weeks alone.

Either the news services in Oklahoma are extremely bad, or your Governor is lying to you.

Here is the link to the latest FEMA press release regarding the fires in OK and TX:

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=22225
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#257 Consumer Comment

Bad news services in OK?

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

Lori,

I have news for you. A quick check of the FEMA website (fema.gov) will show that FEMA is providing funding assistance for 13 fires in the past 2 weeks alone.

Either the news services in Oklahoma are extremely bad, or your Governor is lying to you.

Here is the link to the latest FEMA press release regarding the fires in OK and TX:

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=22225
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#258 Consumer Comment

Bad news services in OK?

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

Lori,

I have news for you. A quick check of the FEMA website (fema.gov) will show that FEMA is providing funding assistance for 13 fires in the past 2 weeks alone.

Either the news services in Oklahoma are extremely bad, or your Governor is lying to you.

Here is the link to the latest FEMA press release regarding the fires in OK and TX:

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=22225
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#259 Consumer Comment

Bad news services in OK?

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

Lori,

I have news for you. A quick check of the FEMA website (fema.gov) will show that FEMA is providing funding assistance for 13 fires in the past 2 weeks alone.

Either the news services in Oklahoma are extremely bad, or your Governor is lying to you.

Here is the link to the latest FEMA press release regarding the fires in OK and TX:

http://www.fema.gov/news/newsrelease.fema?id=22225
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#260 Consumer Suggestion

Charles, You are A Hypocrite

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

In your post you quote Joel osteen who for those that don't know is one of the prominent christian speakers in the country today.

Why do you selectively quote christian principles? The bible says that you should not hate others. Yet you claim that you "HATE" republicans and George Bush? Have you ever hmet the man? Why do you hate him? You hate him because he is doing what he believes is right? Maybe you need to rethink your statements because you seem yo be a christian.

You should not selectively apply christian principles. I am willing to bet that the president does not "HATE" you. Blind hatred just because people did you wrong or do not agree with you is helping evil spread in the world.

Read your bible and maybe consult your bible because you should also forgive your father.

But I know you will respond to this with hatred for me and others because you only apply principles and christian teachings when they suit you.
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#261 Consumer Comment

Shawn, Hows your incompetent Governor???

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

Shawn,

Arnold is a Reagan want to be. He thinks he is a great actor and can fill shoes of Reagan well guess what? WRONG! Arnold WILL never step foot in the WhiteHouse, he wasn't a national for one and he is a poor governor for California. Arnold stick to acting, you are NO Ronald Reagan! The man almost killed his son in a motorcycle accident! People he is no great man, he is like you and I!!!!! Shawn, I drink, yeah, but my judgement isn't coercerd like yours! I know what is going on here, you don't care as long as the rich-Republicans prevail!!!!!! Shawn go to war and I guarantee you change your mind! I mean a REAL war! I will proove you wrong, if need be. The Republican Party is going down, too much corruption, lies, betrayal, etc. Bush spying on it's on citizens, You are foolish, Bush, has over stepped his limits as President. He is not GOD! He needs approval and it is a limited time frame, 15 days after a war is enacted. There is no definition of extended powers for the President!
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#262 Consumer Comment

This is to everybody on this website ignore me i don't care i have a right to be here I don't care if anyone thinks i am a bad speller

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Republicans are the ones 99% of the time who make bad for the rest of us like sean hannity & bill o'reily & the rest of the fox news network. Bush is doing a horrible job being president did iraq help us rebuild after 9/11 no they did not the iraq people said the american people deserved 9/11 iraq hates the united states so why should we help rebuild a country who hates america? & who hates us bush & the republicans are embarrassing america republicans do not care for america all they care about is ripping america off democrats care about america regardless of what anybody thinks about democrats or if they hate our guts we do not care we will continue to speak out agaisnt bush & the republicans. Bush is making the united states to be a joke to the rest of the world like nixon & reagan did republicans are trying to destroy the middle class & poor people by taking everything they can away from us & giving it to the upper middle class & rich people republicans do not care about the poor or middle class people the democrats care for us middle class & poor people because not all of us are rich it takes all of our money to make it but I am thankful I have a house to live in I might not have much money for anything else but I am thankful I have a roof over my head & that I am not on the streets & a car to drive joel osten says be thankful for what you have know I was one of those children who grew up without a father my father was an alcoholic laid up drunk in the bed all the time would not get out & work to provide me a living when I was a child & he abused my mother after 8 years of marriage to my father my mother seperated from my father due to the abuse & the beer all my fahter cared about my father betrayed us for a bottle & he blamed my mother for his drinking problem nobody puts that bottle in his mouth but on his free will. After my parents seperated my father refused to pay me child support my mother got into personal bankruptcy & for the next 10 years after my mom got seperated we had to live with my grandparents till my mother got working my mother had panic attacks all the time was on welfare & had to put up with unfair treatment from her work places due to discrimination my father almost made my mother lose everything my fahter failed to pay child support which he ows me over $30,000 the child support people does not care to protect the kids my father is a dead beat dad who did not pay me child support the child support people only protects fathers & does not care for the kids & how much we had to suffer we did not ask for this type of treatment we were just born my father was a "LOSER" I cannot forgive my fahter my mother suffered bankruptcy because of my a*****e fahter sure my life is better know but is still haunted by what I suffered has a child which I did not deserve no child deserve this type of treatment I will never forgive my father after what he put me threw I have not seen my father in about 14 years he is not messing my life or my mothers again my mother has never remarried because of this problem because she was not going to let a stepdad & another family mistreat me or abuse me like of step familys do, these ignorant lawyers who helped my father not pay child support are also the cause of him not paying my mother my fahter is the cause of all our suffering & struggling I wish nothing but bad things to my father for the hell he put me threw growing up & how he tryied to ruin my mothers life I dispise alcoholics I will never drink or do drugs. This isn't my fault why my life has been hard it has been because of my alcoholic father he cared only for his beer wasting his money so this is to all the republican assholes who think we are lowlives its because of our low-life fathers who didn't give a d**n about us while we were kids is the reason why I did not have much growing up my father is nothing but pure trash I chose not to have a life like his & I will not have a life like his my father is not apart of my life nor will he ever be apart of my life! again for all the hard times I had growing up worring if I will be poor never having anything & living in the cold streets with no food to eat my father would have had a good life he he just let the boose alone & the child support people could care less about me they do not care about the kids all they care about if their money they make everymonth & their nice houses & nice cars that they get to drive everyday.
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#263 Consumer Comment

Oklahoma's burning-no response from feds!

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Due to a drought, warm winter weather, and high winds, Oklahoma is experiencing severe wildfires.

Our Governor, Brad Henry-Democrat, proclaimed a State of Emergency for all 77 counties and asked the President for federal aid in December. He has yet to hear from the President.

Small rural volunteer fire departments are needing assistance from FEMA. These fire departments are running out of money quickly. Normally they fight one or two grass fires a year but, this year they are having to fight that many or more a day.

Texas is experiencing the same thing but, I will bet they have already received federal aid.

Is it because our Governor is a Democrat? Probably! However the President must have forgotten that the majority of registered voters in the state are Republican.

Or, maybe he is too busy dumping bribes from lobbyists to care!
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#264 Consumer Comment

What paper Robert?

AUTHOR: Shawn - (U.S.A.)

lmao - the humor behind it was not quite as classic as the rhino and a humvee visual( I'm still giggling at that one)but one to add to "the classics" list for certain! BTW, what was the name of that paper? Gotta be the only one in America with the honesty to print that! Oh well, gotta run! ttfn

God Bless America

P.S. Oh ya! I almost forgot . . . James of Tupper . . . Next time you want to post your usual spew and rhetoric, have one more drink first ( that way, I figure he'll pass-out before making it to the keyboard! lol)
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#265 Consumer Comment

George W. Bush needs to be impeached!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

George W. Bush has invaded a sovereign nation of Iraq, has killed many tens of thousands of Iraqis and thousands of U.S. soldiers. He has stolen Iraqi oil, has used the attacks on America 9/11 to further his cause to kill Arabs. I say however, he never caught Osama Bin Ladden who is an Afgahn, and who leads the Taliban. Osama Bin Ladden was a Saudi who CLAIMED responsibility for the 9/11 attacks. Bush forgot this and immediately went after Saddam Hussein- Bush Sr's partner. He was seen with Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands. I am sure they were not talking about a trip to McDonalds. I will expose the Powerful assholes that own the U.S.A., no matter who it exposes. I now retrieve my statement that I will not be killing my self. I now have a reason to live, to expose BIG Brother, who seem to be stealing ALL peoples rights under their noses. People read your rights before and now!!!!!!! We are slowly turning into a communist country.
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#266 Consumer Comment

I can add to that Shawn

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I read a quote in the paper the other day..."99% of the Democrats make it bad for the rest".

It's very fitting, don't you think?
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#267 Consumer Comment

I can add to that Shawn

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I read a quote in the paper the other day..."99% of the Democrats make it bad for the rest".

It's very fitting, don't you think?
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#268 Consumer Comment

I can add to that Shawn

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I read a quote in the paper the other day..."99% of the Democrats make it bad for the rest".

It's very fitting, don't you think?
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AUTHOR: Shawn - (U.S.A.)

Although I've met a few honest Democrats, I found this to be fitting considering present Ben(t) thinkers on this thresd!

Ode to a Lie-beral

Ah truth, sweet truth
We know thee well.
'Tis anything
Our lips shall tell.

A lie? Not I
For we do speak,
The truth most always
With just a tweak-

A twist, a turn,
A flip , a flop.
If truth be known
We cannot stop!

It seems when truth
Will hurt us so,
These things stay ours,
Not yours to know.

A liberal lie?
Not on your life,
Unless the truth
Will cause us strife.

For truth we say
Is flexible.
It can't be fixed
Or immutable.

If black's not white,
We'll call it so.
Our liberal souls
Are white as snow

As our master
Of deceit would say,
"The truth is ours
with which to play!"

So ask us not
If truth we tell.
Deception's ours
And we do it well.

God Bless America

(P.S. If this posts twice I apologize, tried similar last night and haven't seen ANY new posts yet so I thought I'd try again)
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#270 Consumer Comment

A little injected humor relative to the topics . . .

AUTHOR: Shawn - (U.S.A.)

I am not certain it fits to describe ALL Democrats, and I apologize to those few who are honest, but I just thought "how befitting" when refering to Ben and the James twins(and the Democrat politicians, and most of their supporters) . . .

Ode to a Lie-beral

Ah truth, sweet truth
We know thee well.
'Tis anything
Our lips shall tell.

A lie? Not I
For we do speak,
The truth most always
With just a tweak-

A twist, a turn,
A flip , a flop.
If truth be known
We cannot stop!

It seems when truth
Will hurt us so,
These things stay ours,
Not yours to know.

A liberal lie?
Not on your life,
Unless the truth
Will cause us strife.

For truth we say
Is flexible.
It can't be fixed
Or immutable.

If black's not white,
We'll call it so.
Our liberal souls
Are white as snow

As our master
Of deceit would say,
"The truth is ours
with which to play!"

So ask us not
If truth we tell.
Deception's ours
And we do it well.
author - unknown (but most likely a republican - duh! lol)


God Bless America
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#271 Consumer Comment

Some clarification is in order...

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

In my previous post ("just whenyou think it's safe...") I make the following statement:

"Funny, this was advice I had given you on the other Report.but you saw fit to attack me with something to the tune of I have as much right to be here as you do. (And you are right that you have the same rights as mebut even worse, I have the same rights as YOU. That seems to be your biggest bane!)..."

To clarify, if not correct, I felt I should ammend. On the other Report, the advice I had offered wasn't so much for Ben to find a politically-themed post and harrass, but for him to go start a post of his own and baby sit that post.

Just thought I'd offer a little clarity on the exact nature of the statement.

Oh, and I meant to write "some dopey KID..." not "some dopey sid...". Hmmm....funny my "spell-checker" didn't catch that one.
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Some clarification is in order...

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

In my previous post ("just whenyou think it's safe...") I make the following statement:

"Funny, this was advice I had given you on the other Report.but you saw fit to attack me with something to the tune of I have as much right to be here as you do. (And you are right that you have the same rights as mebut even worse, I have the same rights as YOU. That seems to be your biggest bane!)..."

To clarify, if not correct, I felt I should ammend. On the other Report, the advice I had offered wasn't so much for Ben to find a politically-themed post and harrass, but for him to go start a post of his own and baby sit that post.

Just thought I'd offer a little clarity on the exact nature of the statement.

Oh, and I meant to write "some dopey KID..." not "some dopey sid...". Hmmm....funny my "spell-checker" didn't catch that one.
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Some clarification is in order...

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

In my previous post ("just whenyou think it's safe...") I make the following statement:

"Funny, this was advice I had given you on the other Report.but you saw fit to attack me with something to the tune of I have as much right to be here as you do. (And you are right that you have the same rights as mebut even worse, I have the same rights as YOU. That seems to be your biggest bane!)..."

To clarify, if not correct, I felt I should ammend. On the other Report, the advice I had offered wasn't so much for Ben to find a politically-themed post and harrass, but for him to go start a post of his own and baby sit that post.

Just thought I'd offer a little clarity on the exact nature of the statement.

Oh, and I meant to write "some dopey KID..." not "some dopey sid...". Hmmm....funny my "spell-checker" didn't catch that one.
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Some clarification is in order...

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

In my previous post ("just whenyou think it's safe...") I make the following statement:

"Funny, this was advice I had given you on the other Report.but you saw fit to attack me with something to the tune of I have as much right to be here as you do. (And you are right that you have the same rights as mebut even worse, I have the same rights as YOU. That seems to be your biggest bane!)..."

To clarify, if not correct, I felt I should ammend. On the other Report, the advice I had offered wasn't so much for Ben to find a politically-themed post and harrass, but for him to go start a post of his own and baby sit that post.

Just thought I'd offer a little clarity on the exact nature of the statement.

Oh, and I meant to write "some dopey KID..." not "some dopey sid...". Hmmm....funny my "spell-checker" didn't catch that one.
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#275 Consumer Comment

You have enough Robert.....

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Robert,

In response to....

"Show us the Senator's signature(easily verified by people in my family-i.e. Patriotic, High Ranking Government types) on something that verifies your blathering, and I will go away, and never return."

Uh ya sure, whatever. You know d**n well it was called the "McCarthy Era" for a reason. I noticed you refused to acknowledge that from when I mentioned it previously. McCarthy was the center and leader of a MOVEMENT in the country at the time. A MOVEMENT that I see similarities to todays events. Your attitude is certainly proof of that.

Now I have proven that a person by the name of "W.Lou Tandy" existed. I have proven that this man was under the microscope during that time (remember the 50's....or do you still have problems with dates?). I have proven that even others sought him out for questions after that horrible decade happened. Now if you dont want to believe that this man was my grandfather so be it. It doesnt change the fact, he existed, and was persecuted under the "era" of the times. An "era" that now has McCarthy's name immortalized with it.

Twist your angles any way you want Robert. It changes nothing. You cant change history.

And history has shown this man got no convictions, did no good, and died a drunken disgrace to his "job".

So this end this bullshit on your "hero". A drunken disgrace.

Enough
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Just when you think it's safe enough to go back in the water....

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Some dopey sid with a foam fin swims up and pinches you.

To which, you drag the little curtain Klingon to the shore and beat the snot out of him.

But in Ben's case, he likes his thinking just like he likes his water. Shallow, muddy, and barely lukewarm.
But I digress...

Aww! How cute! Won't read all of it, but he'll pick out comments he doesn't like and bash themstandard modus operandi for the little-minded legend in his own mind.

I really dont bother even commenting on your posts anymore.

Then why this response? Face ityou don't respond because you have nothing left in your tiny arsenal.

Simply to much "God" in them.

Okay, Folkssince Ben here makes it a point to bring up information on other posts about other people, I can use that same logic. As you can see him trolling for Robert on another postthat being the Just Brakes series of Reports, as this is his mention---we see Ben making comments like Good Lord, lord, Good Lord these guys are scary!!!! (Report 154773) and Christ, along with a couple other references. Now as I understand it, an atheist doesn't believe in God or gods, nor does this belief system support the existence of supernatural being or circumstance. Yet we see Bennie-kins here whining about the ghosts of the dead soldiers and ghosts of other victims, tells a person to go to hell, makes remarks to the tune of there'll be Hell to pay, and even uses Hell as a commentary thrust, such as Hell, even your or What the HELL are you

(ya ya I know you need proof....ok fine....

Nahh, I don't need proof of your hypocritical Ben-Spin.
But here are the examples I mentioned abovewell, some of themenjoy.

If you are this "Robert".......go suck a fat babies' p***s you A$$hole! Good lord your an egotistical shmuck!

Hypocrisy, crudeness, and suggestions to victimize a child. Nice. And then there's the venomous intent to insinuate a homosexual act on Robert. (That one came from a Report about Pat Benatar backing out of charity work.) Quite the staunch advocate for gay rights, aren't we?

For christ sake the d**n car can only

Now, this is a bit off-track, but I think it's worth mentioning. Here again, you refer to yet another post: Why dont you do a search for 'Just Leather' on this site and see Interestingyou sure know a lot about posts here on the web site. Seems to me, your business of selling lab supplies can't be all that lucrative, if you're able to cruise reports all day and stalk religious types, or troll. Well, everyone needs a hobby, I s'pose. And you accuse me of collecting welfare because my posts are invested! LMAO!

But, let's get back on track

You deserve your messed up tax codes. Bet your a religous nut too. Guess scamming suddenly became part of being a "Good Christian".

No one had bought up religionbut as you know, Trolls are creatures of habit.

Well god must really love stupid assholes like you Self contradiction.

And yes, God loves you, too, Ben.

As for (name deleted)'s arguments....Christ man! Go find a political blog.

Funny, this was advice I had given you on the other Report.but you saw fit to attack me with something to the tune of I have as much right to be here as you do. (And you are right that you have the same rights as mebut even worse, I have the same rights as YOU. That seems to be your biggest bane!) And then accused me of making converts---which, to this date, you have NEVER proven. And I understand whyit's because you cannot. And it also proves that even you believe that a person's political interests are very intimate to their spiritual leanings.so it's clear, by the date of the post I had gleaned this line from, that you were well aware of where you needed to go to pick fights about religion.

The title to one post: Good lord Robert!

Then there's the commentary on a few other posts to similar notesI thought it'd be nice to put things in perspective.

have you forgotten your comments in the last post titled "Well Golly-Gee Indeed! More feigned surprise from Left Of Center..." 12/30/05. Nice quote of "Politics must BE God!" and several mentions of a "book"? Same old stuff eh, Vera).

How could I forget what I write? My posture in all of this is easy to defend, just like yours is an easy argument to bat aside. I believe in what I believe in, and I live by it. I don't have to circle talk and tell stories, so there's no lie to defend in my statements. My walk is easy, my burden light, you might say in this case. But yes, I do remember. That's called a syllogism, and it's a basic breakdown where I'm mocking what you perceive to be my logic---which, by the way, leaves you the one in error. As usual.

And about this "Book"...if you can mention your History Books, I can mention mine. ;)

Anyways... you make this comment... Really? And just how is David, of OKC, supposed to know about your Grandpa's (alleged) job refusals due to events surrounding McCarthy, for one, and for two, all David did was use the term pinko-commiehe never mentioned McCarthy (AND he wasn't even speaking to you!)! And when did Steve of Sterling mention McCarthy?'----Vera I'm a bit confused by it.

Color me surprised! Sense always seems to leave you reeling!

I made no posts directed at David that I am aware of regarding my grandfather.

No, I didn't say you did. I'm saying here (as if it isn't glaringly obvious!), that your next Rebuttal title was directed at David of OKC. And that you bought up the subject of McCarty/McCarthyism, and basically accused David of OKC of being a McCarthyite, because of the older terminology he was using (Pinko and Commie)

If I am mistaken ---And you are, yet again, as usual.

Any posts I've made about McCarthy were in my original post making similarities between what Bush is doing, to that era.

No, your first post points out Timothy McVeigh's similarities with the Bush Administration and/or Conservatives, the KKK and the Aryan Nation. Then attempts to pick yet another battle on religion by slinging at Falwell and Robertson and using terms like Religious Nut. Tell the whole story.

Like I said. Creatures of habit.

Granted David started that by commenting on similarities between STEVE and Tim V. I mentioned McCarthy because, to me, to accuse Steve like that was exactly the same as the witch hunts of that era.

That's YOUR interpretation of it. But I understand.your Mom holds onto her Dad's memory by clinging to those documents, and you use her circumstance to further advance the inherited tendency toward bitterness. I'm certain you couldn't pass up such an opportunity!

After that post all other posts were directed at Robert. He took up the defend that Great Senator from Wisconsin' banner.

You aren't getting it, are you? If Robert wishes to believe that McCarthy is a good guy, a bad guy, or just some guy who likes to wear exam-latex gloves stretched over his head while running around naked screaming I'm a squid!that is his choice. If you hadn't tried to turn this subject into a pity party for Grandpa or a rant on McCarthy, it wouldn't be such an issue, now, would it? So I asked you, How was David of OKC supposed to know about your Grandpa Because, like mostly everyone else here, David doesn't know everyone personally, so he could not have known. You used David as a platform to lash out about McCarthy. Nothing more, nothing less.

As far as I know the subject of my grandfather has been between Robert and myself.

No, it's between the members of your family troupe. It is not anyone's fault here, nor can anything be done about it. But maybe you can feel like you have an advantage at some point in this caseafter all, you're outstanding in the field, when it comes to bitterness.

I am fair. ---Please tell me you're not keeping a straight face, here. I'm not. You are the antithesis of fair.

Now about "Steve mentioning McCarthy"....he didnt.

Bingo! You bought in the McCarthy bullcrap.

I chose to defend his comments by using the subject of McCarthy. He didnt.

No, Princessyou used the subject of McCarthy as a direct comparison to attack David in OKC, and nothing more. Steve didn't even hint to McCarthy---I get the notion that Steve wishes to stay focused on BUSH. Not Falwell, Robertson, McCarthy, Carter, Just Brakes, God, or anything else. He wanted input from other folks, and that's it, not a pissing match between a few posters.

So what? I took offense at David's comments one way. Steve took offense Davids comments another. The end result is the same. David was out of line.

What justifies you, and vilifies David, Robert, meself, Shawn, or anyone else here? I don't agree with David's comparison, because Steve seems to be extremely patient, rational, and straightforward. Timothy McVeigh was a cold and calculating killer that sought to further his own agenda---sort of like Clinton, but lacking the Liberal support base and the wealth and education.

Then there is this mention of an "Apocalyptic Beacon" you say I mentioned. Where did I say anything like that!!!?

I'll answer your question with another question. When did I ever say you had been the proud owner of that remark?

I know who said itit was me! I wrote it, referring to the stupidity of James of Calgary over on #154773! Why would I give you credit for a ten-dollar word like apocalyptic?!

What the HELL are you talking about?

Ahh, don't you mean, What the K-Mart am I talking about? or maybe, What the Fredrick's am I talking about? Hell is as non-existent as Heaven to you, isn't it? And therefore, no more valid a place as Honnalee? [eyeroll]

Now did you just do a typo-O or

No, I think you did a read-Oor a think-Ofunny, how you say you won't read or respond to my rebuttals, yet here we are. And you're even asking me to substantiate certain select parts you won't even read or respond to. Hilarious.

You only pick out things you feel you can egg a fight about...and questions to you, you avoid, evade, dodge, or lie.

are you just trying to confuse the situation? Here we have 2 people your mis-quoting me

I don't misquote people as a mater of practice. If I misconstrue something---as I had done with Lori---then I will correct myself and apologize---as I had done with Lori.

It would be your M-ethod of O-peration.

What method of operation? Oh! I get what you mean! That frustrating tendency I have of pointing out truth and backing it with facts you'll just ignore because you clearly have nothing more to offer than broken links and crackpot websites, single out of context quips of jokes and conjecture.

And of course, we can't forget the Mighty Polls Of Opinion. which are just opinionnot really based on any more fact than the crap cranked out by Move On, Michael Moore, and the Celiberal elites.
I can see how it frustrates you. Now, I'll just lean back and laugh as Robert pounds another bag of granules up your over-spoken sphincterbecause you really do need to get a clue.

But something tells me that you couldn't get a clueeven if you stood naked and smeared with clue pheromone in the middle of a field of clues in heat during the clue-rutting season. And with a clue mating call wedged into your mouth.
(The mind once again reels with cartoon imagery!)

G'night, Gracie!
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#277 Consumer Comment

New Year - Same War

AUTHOR: Shawn - (U.S.A.)

Let's start off with a hearty HAPPY NEW YEAR! WOOO-OOO-OOO-OO!(Noise makers, kisses, handshakes and hugs) Tis the Time to let by-gones be by-gones and move forward from the diatribe and rhetoric which has been spread throughout these threads! Pplllllbbbbbbbbbbbbbtt (thumb on nose, fingers wiggling above)- ya right! lol I don't know about the rest of you, but I have too much fun tossing jabs back and forth. I even enjoy getting a good larruping, when deserved! (No, not in the S +M sort of way, lol - just so as to know that I'm not young enough to know everything anymore!)

Jon, thank you for the compliment! I find it a little comical that Vera, with such humility and grace, tried to exclude herself from your honorable mention regarding our styles of writing - I have to admit, b***h beat me to it made a quick run through my mind! lol Oh well, maybe next time I'll get to be the humble one. The truth is Vera, I have always admired the way your posts roll with the eloquence of natural speech, I can readily see the passion and truth behind each of your posts. The style of my own posts could be easily be duplicated by anyone willing to put a bit of time into research, writing a draft in order to determine a general theme, rewording to ensure proper sentiment, and then one final proof to eliminate most of the spelling and grammatical errors(that's the part I dislike most - lol) I would, however, assert that the one most skilled, and deserving of accalades when literary talents are on topic, is B' - it's like Shawn meets Vera, only a little further left . . . and with a few more years of fine tuning his steel trap! I gotta admit, I kinda miss the old curmudgeon! lol Anyway, once again Jon, thank you! Now onto a more politically charged topic!

Although I have been sucked back in, and find I am still shackled by the time requirements of trying to reasonably contend with the nonsensical rantings of a demoniacal idiot (whose speak and type' program has obviously progressed to the translation of bleats' and farts'), I find the ability to focus on real issues in todays political arena is still within my capabilities. I do however, once again, find myself hanging my head in humbled sorrow, asking forgiveness from those who have been patient through what seems an eternity of redundant posts, wasted on the inessential task of discrediting those Ben(t) posts, which were self evident to be ludicrous in nature.

That being said, I could not help but find my thoughts centered upon the motivation behind the actions of thepeace activists', and the irony of thier statements. Far too often I find myself asking why, on the banners of these activist's', I don't read:

Support Iraq's New Constitution"

"No to Jihad" or

"Stop Suicide Bombers."

The inhuman acts committed against the Iraqi people by other Arabs who wish to re-enslave them, are of little to no interest to those who tout thier objections to this war. Personal rage against the daily assaults on children, women . . . anyone really, by Islamo and national fascists has not been made fashionable by the likes of Micheal Moore(on) and Jihad Jane (Fonda) . Only alleged crimes of American soldiers, and the Bush administration are cool to decry!

Perhaps one of the most vivid examples of the horror the coalition has been, and still is fighting in Iraq was the horrific mass murder on Sept. 26, 2005 in which terrorists disguised as policemen (the unbiased {lmao}New York Times called these slaughter house henchmen - "fighters") burst into a primary school in Iskandaria, (a small town south of Baghdad), seized 5 unarmed teachers (all Shiites) and, with an audience of children forced to watch, shot them repeatedly with high power rifles and sub-machine guns. I don't know, the liberal media played them off as some romantic Iraqi freedom fighters' - I think cowardly butchers would be more the term for the perpetrators of such an atrocity - you be the judge!.

Why do these left wing', liberal wannabe pundits (die hard democrats?) and European demonstrators, who claim to have such an understanding of morality, sit calmly still as these atrocious events take place, (many giving a little h*o-rah! in thier minds because it looks bad for the Republicans), such images having little to no effect on thier conscience'? All the while, these same American and European peace soldiers(
Some Iraqis may be dismayed by the undeniable errors made by the coalition, and I'm certain that they don't like the continued presence of foreign troops, but I can guarantee that most of them would like being abandoned prematurely to the terrorists, even less.

One of the most publicized icons of the U.S. peace movement, and we've already had debates on the subject - grieving mother Cindy Sheehan, attracted much attention in the liberal media stations which have grown in Iraq since the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. All the Iraqis whom I've seen interviewed on this subject, emphatically disagree with her public declarations that her son died for nothing. Of course, those fighting the coalition both approve, and exploit her venemous words.

In a past post, I mentioned that "Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia," (the Islamo-fascists in Iraq) understand Western doubt and self-criticism. Its members are trying to create an impression of a country submerged in bloody chaos; and they're duping a good number of you whose main source of understanding comes only from brief television images that show that Iraq has gone to hell in a handbasket. That is the biggest lie of this entire war. Iraq was always complex - and now it is vibrantly so; despite the terrorist campaign to kill it, the country has become a school for free expression and for government elected by the people. The dread silence of over half a century has given way to millions of opinions - as in the U.S., or any society that sees itself as free. The constitution may not be perfect. But, as the commentator Amir Taheri points out: "This is still the most democratic constitution offered to any Muslim nation so far."

All of the success in Iraq is thanks to the sacrifice of Casey Sheehan and others like him, and should be a source of pride in the United States. Certainly, the more success we attain, the greater the resistance and propoganda we will experience. Why? Chiefly due to Zarqawi and his ilk who have declared that, if victorious, they will use Iraq as a base to drag down other regional governments and to mount attacks on the United States. Bin Laden has said that "the Third World War is raging in Iraq - the whole world is watching this war." All of which makes the antiwar opposition in the U.S. and Europe remarkably shortsighted and self-indulgent, unless it is the intent of the anti-war propogandists to see a far and wide spread of terrorism with a certain increase of thier lust for blood.

It is the promise of freedom that the fascists who murdered the Iraqi teachers want to destroy. I sit in wonder and amazement, and often feel discouraged, to know that there are still so many duped into believing that they are taking some moral high ground in marching though Washington, and demonizing our government, do not understand this!.

Once again, Happy New Year - God Bless America
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#278 Consumer Comment

I'll take all of them in order, Ben

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

http://infoshare1.princeton.edu/libraries/
firestone/rbsc/finding_aids/tillett.html-meaningless nothingness. No actual information...just names and dates. Dates that are a decade old.

http://mccarthy.cjb.net/-interesting discussion. Here's the important part that Ben so cleverly left out of his rant. The report was written by a kid. It's bad enough the James Gand uses Chinese propogands rags for information, but Ben uses an 8th Grader for his top notch reporting. Here is the rest of the story...

"Author's Notes and Addendum
Last Updated June 12, 2000

It gets more interesting toward the bottom. If anything, please be sure to read from where the bold starts..

I (Jesse Friedman) wrote this report in November, 1996, for my 8th Grade Social Studies research essay. I hate to wax sentimental (and despise even more using old cliches), but I never would have guessed that 34 months later (I did the math), nearly 64,000 people have seen this page. I've received e-mails from Malaysia to Massachussets and nearly everywhere in between. Most people tend to agree with me (which I must admit makes me happy), many people thank me as their "rescue source" for the 2nd period Honors English class paper on "The Crucible" due tomorrow, and I've even restarted talking to one or two forgotten friends. Amazing what putting a report on the Internet can do.

But what interests me more than praise and agreement (although that's perfectly fine by me, too) is the sizable and very vocal minority of e-mailers who disagree with me. Often they are insultative, usually they don't quite get what I'm saying (more on that later), but on occasion I have learned a bunch from my critics. Once I wrote this paper, I tuned out to this entire issue. What a mistake. In the last few years, CIA and KGB declassified information has confirmed to some degree McCarthy's accusations of Communist infiltration in our government.

Here's what's important! I am not calling Senator Joe McCarthy a liar. He was right. The problem is, he didn't know it! Recently declassified information has proved him technically correct, but in his entire senatorial career, as I quote from above, "he never once was able to directly convict a single suspected Communist of a crime." But that's not even my main point. My main objection is the atmosphere of fear of the accusation of being a supposed Communist which McCarthy strongly fostered. He might have been right, but he indirectly violated the nation's freedom of speech.

One more thing: defending (at least accused) Communists doesn't make me a Red any more than supporting gay rights would make me a homosexual. I base my opinions not politically, but rather morally. As I continually repeat, what the accused may or may not have done concerns me little; I simply object to McCarthy's motivations and methodology...".

Even this kid says McCarthy was RIGHT, Ben. Your own expert agrees with...NOT you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy-Bad link.(goes to some domain name seller site)

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/
democrac/60.htm-This was great. It actually says the reason for Censure was Joe wasn't cooperating with another group of Senators, and bullied his own Committe. Great, he didn't play well with others. Now it's in his "permanent record".

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAmccar
thy.htm-Bad link(cannot find server)

I think we all get the point. The ones that did pull up, refuted Ben entirely. The ones that didn't, were probably the ones that would have shown me "what fer".

The clue bus is coming, Ben...get on it. It's the short one.
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#279 Consumer Comment

I have a question for you, Ben, anything showing your Grandfather was unjustly accused

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Why do you post one inane missive, only to be followed up by at least one more(usually two) equally useless ones in an attempt to justify the first one?

I shall also ask you ONE LAST time for anything showing your Grandfather was unjustly accused of ANYTHING(from eating boogers in class, to killing en masse) by Senator Joseph Raymond McCarthy. Scan the vast piles of documents your family has, and show it.

You never will, as it will be impossible. Your family was never an issue for the Good Honorable Gentleman from Wisconsin. Educators would have been looked at by the House Committe, as were entertainers. McCarthy looked at HIGH RANKING Government Officials-ONLY!

Show us the Senator's signature(easily verified by people in my family-i.e. Patriotic, High Ranking Government types) on something that verifies your blathering, and I will go away, and never return.

There's a bargain for you.

It's put up or shut up time, Ben. We know you won't do either.
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AUTHOR: Judy - (U.S.A.)

I don't make it a habit of posting comments, usually just read them. However, I was addressed on another thread I posted on, & invited to check this thread out.

I have scanned over most of the postings and some of the postings are quite disturbing. I have seen insults to person's intelligence, their choice of voting party, racial remarks, etc. Some postings have actually shown the poster's lack of education & manners. One in particular comes to mind, but I dare not name the poster, because it appears the poster has taken a vacation.

I don't understand why people have to be ugly with name calling. What does it matter which voting party you belong to? Whatever voting party you belong to, does not make you a bad or stupid individual, does not make you a racist or white trash or any of the other names I have read on this thread.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion & are guaranteed the right of Free Speech, as it is part of our Constitutional Rights, that were fought for by our forefathers & the military since. When someone doesn't agree with your opinion, you may have Free Speech & may disagree with that individual, but doesn't entitle you to be insulting & rude to each other.

I have read Bush bashing, Christian bashing, Party bashing, etc. I'm really disappointed.
President Bush could have no more stopped the 9/11 disaster then he could have controled the flooding disaster in New Orleans. The job that he does, is only as good as the job done by the people that work as his support crew. The same goes for all of the Presidents before him & will probably be that way for future Presidents.

True, he has made mistakes, but so has every President before him. I haven't had the honor of meeting someone that hasn't made mistakes. The President has to answer to Congress, this all goes back to high school Civics. There are only a few circumstances the President has the option of taking actions without someone telling him what he may or may not do. This pertains to ALL Presidents, no matter which Party he belongs to.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Bill Clinton in office during the timeframe of the OKC Federal Bldg. bombing. If Pres. Bush could have stopped the 9/11 disaster, then, wouldn't it be fair to say that Bill Clinton could have stopped or prevented the OKC disaster??

I have written & hope not to bashed for what I have written. I have tried not to step on anyone's toes or opinions. There have been some excellent points made throughout the thread, but then something else is posted that takes away from the good points. For the most part, threads like this one, is why I don't normally participate.
Happy New Year to all & all a Good Night.
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#281 Consumer Comment

Ummm Vera..... I'm a bit confused here because of your last comments..

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Vera,

I really dont bother even commenting on your posts anymore. Simply to much "God" in them. (ya ya I know you need proof....ok fine....have you forgotten your comments in the last post titled "Well Golly-Gee Indeed! More feigned surprise from Left Of Center..." 12/30/05. Nice quote of "Politics must BE God!" and several mentions of a "book"? Same old stuff eh, Vera).

Anyways... you make this comment.....

"Really? And just how is David, of OKC, supposed to know about your Grandpa's (alleged) job refusals due to events surrounding McCarthy, for one, and for two, all David did was use the term pinko-commiehe never mentioned McCarthy (AND he wasn't even speaking to you!)! And when did Steve of Sterling mention McCarthy?"----Vera


Im a bit confused by it. I made no posts directed at David that I am aware of regarding my grandfather. If I did then I cant seem to find them. If I am mistaken, then please by all means repost the title so I can see it myself. Any posts I've made about McCarthy were in my original post making similarities between what Bush is doing, to that era. Granted David started that by commenting on similarities between STEVE and Tim V. I mentioned McCarthy because, to me, to accuse Steve like that was exactly the same as the witch hunts of that era. As far as David is concerned...it ended there. And that was my reasoning.

If you need to refer....here is the title if you wish to look again.....

"McCarthy......has returned" dated 11/23/05

After that post all other posts were directed at Robert. He took up the "defend that Great Senator from Wisconsin" banner. And it was then, that my grandfather was brought up. As far as I know the subject of my grandfather has been between Robert and myself. Nobody else. If I am wrong, then please point me to the post and its date. I cant seem to find any. And if I am mistaken I will consider myself humbled. I am fair.

Now about "Steve mentioning McCarthy"....he didnt. I chose to defend his comments by using the subject of McCarthy. He didnt. So what? I took offense at David's comments one way. Steve took offense Davids comments another. The end result is the same. David was out of line.

Then there is this mention of an "Apocalyptic Beacon" you say I mentioned. Where did I say anything like that!!!? What the HELL are you talking about? Here let me quote the entire thing and give the title and date since your bizzare rules of proof are completely impossible to follow......

"Remember that remark about an Apocalyptic Beacon and an individual's stupidity?"

In the post titled "Well Golly-Gee Indeed! More feigned surprise from Left Of Center..." from 12/30/05

Your saying I said this????? Uh...please...show me the post!!! By all means!!! Once again....I have no memory of this. Show me, and I'll consider myself humbled.

Now did you just do a typo-O or, are you just trying to confuse the situation? Here we have 2 people your mis-quoting me on (title of post and date given). And another bizzare post you attribute to me (title of post and date given).

It would be your M-ethod of O-peration. Thus M.O. to me. I noticed how you wanted to inflate that term in the last post as well...thought I would touch on it.?
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#282 Consumer Comment

Now lets address that original link Robert.......

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Ok Robert, lets address that original link I gave you. Remember that one? The one you say is from "10 years after"?? Here I'll post it again in case you have forgotten it already.....

http://infoshare1.princeton.edu/libraries/firestone/rbsc/finding_aids/tillett.html

Lets take a quote from it....shall we........

"The most significant part of this collection is the responses to questionnaires Tillett sent to academic professionals and a few federal employees in 1964, who were adversely affected by official inquiries into Communist activities during the 1950s."

WOW!! AMAZING!!!!

Lets look at that again!.......

"who were adversely affected by official inquiries into Communist activities during the 1950s."


WOW WOW WOW!! AMAZING!!! REALLY!!!

Lets look AGAIN! 8)..........

"during the 1950s"

ONE MORE TIME...............

"1950s"

Ok I think thats enough (but something tells me you will still be in denial. Perhaps you dont know exactly where the number "5" comes in order of numbers? Let alone "50"?)

Your a joke Robert. Here let me make you feel better. Ill use one of Shawn and Vera's excuses for you......

I have shown you proof....yet you refuse to read.

And now we have PROOF of your refusal. And your inability to read.


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You have been trounced Robert.

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Now its my turn to say it.....

Your done Robert.

You twist and contort like your friend Shawn accuses me of.

You asked for proof. And I gave it to you. Even countering your spin on dates. You have shown nothing to counter what the general consensus of the entire nation already knows. What the history books already state. You have completely made a fool of yourself just like a nut that denies the Holocaust. Your flat out in denial of common knowledge of history. Your attempts to drag this into a personal fight using my Grandfather has even fallen to the pits of sillyness to the extream.

I have given you links with dates. I have posted biography after biography. I have even posted an online encyclopidia. Your in complete denial of history. And yet still you demand proof?

I think anyone that comes across this blatant foolishness by you can well see your true colors. You havent shown one shred of proof to your claims. The only thing you have done is try to twist an economic concept into a nation (your comment on communism/evil-empire post).

You have shown NOTHING! The only thing you can post is your own OPINIONS with no shred of media, or reference whatsoever.

I look at you like I would look at some nut that claimed the Holocaust never happened.
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Well Golly-Gee Indeed! More feigned surprise from Left Of Center...

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Golly gee wizzers!!

What's that, Lassie? Tommy's in the well? Golly, Beav!
More mock surprise? This from the person who tells people to shove things in their uptight theocratic t**t? Hunh, Howard Stern meets Leave It To Beaver! ..Nahh!

More like Butters meets Cartman---You must respect my Autho-rih-tahh!!

You started with the comments about McCarthy being such a great human

No he didn't. You were the first to mention McCarthy, in your attack on David of OKC for using old terms like pinko and commie.

If you want to debunk every history book ever written since the 60's, then the burden lies with you.

Should we even bother to point out that another Book that is older than the sixties?
No bother! Robert already did!

Who else made that statement, The burden of proof lies with you. and I think the burden of proof is on you to show otherwise. Hhmmmmmh.let me see..

In other words I have no intention of filling this thread with all the info available about McCarthy's evil ways. I doubt the server for this site can handle it.

Translation: I'm too lazy, and have no intention of doing anything to back up my demands for proof. I'm just gonna be a pain in the keister.

On the other hand, I think it would be very hard for you to find comments stating otherwise.

Actually, there's information in a book, which Robert did, in fact, mention. And the source comes from a person with years of experience in politics and law.

Unless you troll the Aryan Nations site. They may support you.

Can you give us the link to your Aryan Nations site?

How is a statement like that one of yours---among MANY MANY others--- not mean?
And how is it not mean to troll, bait, and attack people because they believe differently than you? How is seeking to quash the civil rights (among some, the right to free speech!) no to be construed as a deliberate mean act? Ben, you personify mean. Mean-spirited, mean-natured, mean-focused. You are rigid with the bile and bitterness of your own distemper.

Frankly, YOU seem more the Aryan Nation type...a Noam Chomsky bootlick, until your own rhetoric is aimed back at you, then it's a Foul cry.

About this "You want everyone to show proof for you." Yeah! I do, because they have NEVER backed up thier statements....EVER. I even had to show them how to paste an URL!!

I think it's a colossal laughjust about everyone has provided links to their sourcesincluding me---in fact, I've provided the names of people and places, WITH ADDRESSES, in the Islam in California schools example, and even named the actual textbook used. Toward the end, Ben himself admits that he's got some instant friend who he just remembered that he had, whose kids (between the ages of three and nine, which is NOT the Middle School age-range) had bought home a sheet about that very subjectwhich my post does point to the fact that the older grade school students were offered an opportunity to participate in a diluted fasting period to get some idea of what Muslims experience during Ramadan.

I'm STILL waiting for Vera to show where SHE got her info on Islam in CA schools.

See what I mean? More denial. Sweetie, intestines are OPAQUEif you pull your head out and look, it's there. But whom are we kidding? You'll just continue to deny it's there. That's fineI sleep soundly enough at night on that issue.

Oh, and while I'm on a note, I'll also mention that you didn't have to teach anyone how to paste the linksthe rules you agree to, when you sign up for the privilege of being able to post in this site, specify that e-mails and links aren't supposed to be inserted in reports. But like I have said before, it's been a while since I have read the rules, so while that may have changed, I have reason to doubt it. So I post either spelled-out versions, exclude the dubyas' (Hee-hee! I love that!), or spell out the symbol dot com. But anyway, I get the feeling you don't read many rules or EULAs and suchI can picture you, furiously filling out the e-forms, eager to snarl and b***h because some sonuvabitch mentioned God, and you weren't gonna just walk away while your rage was fresh and your spleen was hot! You were gonna stomp that b*****d into the ground verballythe temerity!!

Meanwhile, most of Ben's links are broken, don't point to the information, disprove what he has posted as nothing more than a ruse, or lead to sites blathering about things like reverse engineering the crashed UFOs to figure out the alien technology, and the New World Order (complete with the web page owner's interpretation thereofFairy God Parents!!). You knowcurrent, driven, realistic issues like that. Oh, and there's the blogs and bulletin board sites that look like they were put together by a Sk8r Dood with a really keen sense of htmlbut don't get me wrong, some of the posts are interesting, but, they are opinions and not always backed up with credible fact.

While I assumed it was impossible for me to aquire the documents from my family that would even remotely satisfy you in regards to my grandfather

Hmmm. What happened to My mother still has stacks of documents and letters he sent and received from many famous people...? Egad, was there a fire? Oh, and to date, there are easily over one hundred fifty thousand reports alone on this site; each, where applicable, contains its own thread of rebuttals to their respective subjects. If nothing else, you can take it up outside of this thread, if you're truly so concerned about taxing this poor thread. Funny, it's no problem to troll and bait, then attack with a flurry of little posts or a gaggle of lung-busting windies when the need to vent arises. But I suppose it's a matter of priority.

Now I put great thought into the idea of posting a full name here.

And the price of fish here is? Alfred E. Newman, Teddy Roosevelt. There, I posted a couple. Big deal.

The three of you have proven to be nasty in regards to personal attacks. So I am hoping that the three of you have some shred of honor in regards to how you use it. You certainly havent shown much so far.

You have a lot of gall, talking about honor. You've spent months on the other Reports, denying, dodging, defending, and eludingfruitlessly---then you finally admit to the fact that you were lying, trolling, and attacking. You are clueless when it comes to matters of honor or decency. You have no idea what honor is. Your proof amounts to hearsay, conjecture, opinion, and out-of-context drivel, spiced with your personal brand of spin, and edited to your liking. You're a great understudyor just underLINGfor Michael Moore-on. Your links are broken and out of date, and the few that do pop up as valid point to anything but subject, or prove that the comment was made in jest.

Your concept of honor' is so dilute, no wonder you cannot see glaring examples of it when so presented. Easily, the same assessment can be leveled about your ability to perceive viable proofand that logic is evident in the way you address these Reports and the individuals that people them.

Face it Robert, your still pissed because of that Just Brakes thread where you proven without a doubt that you have complete contempt for everyone....

Ohh, aren't we a busy little troll? For the record, Ben, you're so derisive and condescending when you speak (in written form) to others, that most people cannot approach you with a civil tongue.

Here's some more funny stuff

Obviously you (Robert), Vera, and Shawn are just hell bent on attacking people. Nothing more.

Funny, I don't remember setting out bait for any religious typesbut at the end of this very paragraphthat I gleaned this quote fromyou admit to attacking someone for the sake of their belief. Self-contradiction is an ugly affair.

You have hunted me down across multiple threads.

Remember that remark about an Apocalyptic Beacon and an individual's stupidity? It applies to you, as well as the Twin Freaks on the other thread. As far as hunting someone down, noif I were to do that, I'd find lots of you on Circuit City, and so forth, and irritate you there. But I don't. See, I only commented to you on THIS thread because you used an identical attack on Robert, as you had to me on another post, and asked you a question. The question was more relative to this thread than your subject of McCarthy is...and that's really all I asked you about.

Here's another turdbit I had tripped over:
A true "traitor" would be someone that sells out the PEOPLE in favor of something else.

You mean, like starting with, Clinton, who sold information to Communist China (I despise the military, and all it stands for. Clinton's words, since you like to look up snippets and comments), who in turn gave huge amountsin donation formto the Democratic Campaign?

(My GOD what an ungainly sentence!)

You cannot say the same about me. I stick to the subject at hand until someone makes it personal.

Really? And just how is David, of OKC, supposed to know about your Grandpa's (alleged) job refusals due to events surrounding McCarthy, for one, and for two, all David did was use the term pinko-commiehe never mentioned McCarthy (AND he wasn't even speaking to you!)! And when did Steve of Sterling mention McCarthy?

Which is now the standard MO for all three of you.

Do you even know what MO means? Short for Modus Operandi, so you can look it up. You'll be able to understand why I'm laughing.

I will admit that long ago in the beginning on the first Bush thread I did attack Vera.

Thanks, Sir Points-Out-The-Obvious-A-lot! How many times did you deny this same thing, then turn around and accuse everyone else of it?

That being because of her constant drivel about GOD this and GOD that. GOD GOD GOD I am not the only person to point that out to her.

Really? So after denying the allegations of trolling and attacking, you not only now admit it, but you seem to feel justified for verbally assaulting another person for indulging the very rights you claim to hold dear (even defend! I'll keep track of our vanishing civil rights WhatEVER, you little self-proclaimed elitist.). What Constitution are you reading from, again? So some rights really are more equal than others, hunh?

Here's a newsflash for you, Princess.my rights to speak freely are the same as yourswhether or not you like my message. When B. of Denver accused me of bringing religious leanings' to the thread, I had taken the time to point out that I was not the one to be bestowed with that honor. Another (D. of Naples) was the first to mention God (which is all I didmentioned the name God in quotes from the Founding Fathers of this Nation, people you claim to have SUCH tremendous respect for!), and another person actually invoked a written prayer.

After that, B. had no other argument to offer on the subject. And I invitemaybe, challenge would be a better way to say it---anyone here to go to Report 154773 and prove otherwise, if they give a hoot. The trick is, to not do the challenge on this thread. I think Mr. Steve (and everyone else here that's interested in this particular topic) deserves better than to have this Report flywheel off like the other one has.

Politics=God......God=Politics......bullshit!

No more than syllogism=irrefutable proof eh, Champ?
(Politics=God, God=politics, therefore, Politics must BE God!) Only in your corner of the asylum. We'll stock that with the crashed UFOs, kay?

Sing with me now: DUH-luh-luh-luh-luh-luh Bye-oh-bye, you got tah don' be shy go'wan an' Kiss de GirlDUH- luh-luh-luh-luh-luh float a-long
(You know, I don't understand it, but I think it's comical that cartoon themes dance through my head when I respond to people like Ben and the James' Twins.)

Well, it's clear from the Reports you haunt (and by your own admission), you were the one who is out to attack people based on Spiritual Beliefand you're pretty clear in that you like to go for politically charged posts. After all vote your conscience seems to be much more than a catch phrase to most. It's what they do. Many people have a very intimate connection between their political posture and their personal beliefs, be they religious in nature, or simply tied to a logical set or construct.

Whichever the case may be, anyone and everyone knows thisit's the very reason why we get seasonal memos from the Higher Ups, requesting (in that pushy, polite command sort of way) that we refrain from discussing the subjects of politics and religion in the workplace. The campaigners know this toowhy else d'you think they wrap their pork-laden plans in such emotional issues, and title them with pretty names like Patriot Act, or noble titles like Aid to Dependant Children, or Workforce Incentive Act? (How about Affirmative Action? Or the once-noble NAACP, which is now an organization more dedicated to the edification of racial hatred and segregation, rather than for the edification of the black community? We can thank fine fellas like Al $harpton and Je$$ie Jack$on for thosepushed forward by the Liberal Democratic political machine.)

But that's another subject, now, isn't it?

Anyhoo
To Jonthanks for the complimentI'm terribly flattered that you'd even compare me to Shawn or B.I think their writing styles are far more dynamic and imaginative than mine. Robert of Florida has a wonderfully direct manner in his writ that I envy tooyou can see the disciplinego in, get it done, and conclude the issue (in so many ways that truly personifies the Marines!)I can't seem to just do that too often. I tend to let my personality affect what I writeand I'm a bit of a smart-assI can't help myself. There's too much hurt, anger, and bitterness in the worldwhy on Earth should I contribute to that? LMAOI get a little too jokey at times, but really, it's a better thing for your health if you can laugh once in a while. Everyone should play with children and toys and watch cartoons once in a whileit keeps the spirit young, the mind fresh, and hope aliveand it beats the snot out of being bored!

And honestly, as I have been at the point of a few of your barbs, I had no idea you were such a sweetie! I respect your earnest support of your beliefsbut don't look to convert me! Where would we be if we all agreed, always, on everything? So much can be said for the persons who are comfortable with themselves, in that they can freely express a difference of opinion. I'm pretty set in my beliefs and what I view as my personal or moral compassand it's much more than merely feelings; it's knowledge, feeling, experience, and conviction, just to name a few. Meanwhile, I do enjoy debate with you and the others here. :D

And (rockin'!)Robert of Florida
High Five! I read your latest and just about keeled over when you hit Ben in his California History Book-hugging sweet-spot. Whoohoooo! I'll bet you and I read a lot of the same stuff.maybe you can tell me something. If the people who have rewritten History can turn Christopher Columbus into the decimator of the American Natives, Bringer of the Plagues to Native kind, and destroyer of worlds, why can't those people paint McCarthy as less of a bad guy? Is it because the nice folks who have taken the time to rewrite History might have some sort of agenda? I have to wonder where many of these folks hail fromwhat their views are based onwhat is their political alignment? ;) I find it ironic that many of the people that write for the right are folks who defected from the left, or were raised in a liberal fashion, so to speak. At any rateI just love your finesse! (Air guitar!!)

There's enrichment in each day, if you care to look for ithappily, sometimes, one need not look all that hard. Happy New Year, everyone!
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#285 Consumer Comment

Ok robert.....stop playing with dates......

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

You state Robert.......

"Lou Tandy's name comes up in this NON-Informative bit of nothingness during the years 1964-1965...more than 10 years AFTER the "Red Scare" that you seem so angry about.

This proves MY point and eliminates your entire argument. McCarthy had already been dead for years before your Grandfather was even thought about. McCarthy had NOTHING to do with your Grandfather...NOTHING!"

Lets do some more "proof" for you.......
http://dlib.nyu.edu:8083/tamwagead/servlet
/SaxonServlet?source=/accf.xml&style=/saxon01t2002.
xsl&part=body

You will find my grandfathers name under box 11 folder 15. DATE 1953!!!! Under academic FREEDOM!!

Ok how about more.........

http://www.hds.harvard.edu/library/bms/bms00530.html

1953 AGAIN!!! CIVIL RIGHTS!

Lets do one more for fun shall we......


http://infoshare1.princeton.edu/libraries/firestone/rbsc/finding_aids/aclu/acluseries3a.html

Wow!! 1954!!!

SO there you go Robert....your falling fast! Now that first thread I gave you from yesterday was a report on the PAST it happened to be made in the 60's. What the hell?? Do you expect a report to be made about the 50's to be made in the 40's!!!!???? Good freaking grief you spin like there is no tomorrow!

Ive shown you mine. Now show me YOURS! You have shown nothing. NOTHING!! Are you a massive hypocrite like Shawn now?

Its in your court.....Show me proof that McCarthy did good for this country. Show me the documents. Just as you demanded of me.
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#286 Consumer Comment

And still we wait, Ben

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

This country has been waiting for over 50 years for ONE person to come forward and defend themselves against the accusations. Not one has ever tried it. The best they ever did was plead the 5th. Great. Ask any Judge or Attorney what that means in real life. It means GUILTY as charged.

Keep trying though. So far, the evidence you showed was for someone 10 years after the fact, and even then, the link you gave said nothing about these people being innocent.

As for being illegal to be a Communist...nope, not here. It will however, prevent you from holding a Government job with any sort of security clearance. It will also prevent you from doing work for the US Government.

You see, our Government understands why the ENEMY isn't supposed to be hired to work AGAINST our national interests. DUH! Do you think Uncle Sam is really going to willingly hire an ALQuada operative for anything here?

You probably do.

Grow up.

For the record, McCarthy left office and died soon afterward because of Hepatitus. General Marshall WAS a Communist Sympathizer. So was FDR. Every program FDR put forward was Socialist in nature. How sad is it that the Russians today have more in common with pre-FDR America, than we do. Also, Communism always referred to the Soviets and Maoists. It did not refer to the Pilgrims, who also operated at first under a Commune System of Government.

The Pilgrims got it figured out after 1 year.

The Soviets took 70.

Ben still hasn't.
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#287 Consumer Comment

OOoooo those nasty commies!!... they be coming to get ya!

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Robert you state.....

"The only other person he actually outed as a Commie, was Alger Hiss. Newsflash Ben, Hiss was a Communist. They were the ENEMY for about 45 years. You may have heard about them. President Reagan called them the "Evil Empire" for a reason. The same reason Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and Putin have too."

Ok first, if I remember right, the term "communisim" is one thing. The "Soviet Union" was another. Communism is a form of government. The Soviet Union was a country. Now how the two interacted is up to much debate. Many say that the USSR was not "really communist". Well im not going to debate that one way or the other. Thats not the point. But the point is......

Is being a "communist" against the law?


The answer to that is a resounding.....NO! This is a free country and we are allowed to THINK AS WE PLEASE. So if anyone is a "communist" or even a sympathizer is totally moot. Its NOT AGAINST THE LAW! It wasnt then, and isnt now. McCarthy DID prove that some people were "communists". But no laws were broken. End of story. Or at least it should have been. Unfortunately it wasnt. Not for those people, and not for the many he WRONGFULLY accused. There were far more of them than he actually "proved" to be.

Second, about this "Evil Empire". That was in reference to the SOVIET UNION. A country that WAS our sworn enemy at the time. It happened to be communist....yes. Now the question comes up.......

Was supporting or giving aid to the Soviet Union against the law?

The answer to that question is a resounding...YES! Now, Robert, how many people did McCarthy actually root out under this? How many were convicted? In every Biography of the "good senator" clearly shows he failed EVERY TIME. What he did amounted to nothing more than a witch hunt.

So when you speak of "communism" and the "USSR" you better be much clearer in your statements. Because the above is nothing more than plain silly. Its a complete mutation of history. Banter about "commies" all you want. ITS NOT AGAINST THE LAW TO BE ONE! It WAS against the law to help the enemy. And McCarthy didnt prove that. He just caused fear and misery wherever he went.

So lets use this Hiss as an example.......

Lets assume Hiss WAS a "commie" as McCarthy and you state. Ok, so what. Is that in itself against the law. No, of course not. So whats the fuss? End of story. Hiss can SAY and THINK as he wanted too. No laws broken. No harm done.
Now if Hiss was spying for the Soviet Union, thats another matter entirely. Did he? If so, then yes the man should have been hunted down like a dog. I would not even hesitate on the matter.

McCarthy was obviously a fool. He never got one conviction of such acts. I will not deny that there WERE acts out there to catch. But his methods and the collateral damage he caused were not worth it by a long shot. He destroyed many peoples lives. For what? Nothing. What did he gain for this nation? Nothing.
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#288 Consumer Comment

Or.. how about this...

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Here lets just have some fun and go down the list after a yahoo search (google if you like!)........
http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/60.htm

and.....

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAmccarthy.htm

A nice part from that one is.....

"One newspaper, the Louisville Courier-Journal, reported that: "In this long, degrading travesty of the democratic process, McCarthy has shown himself to be evil and unmatched in malice." Leading politicians in both parties, had been embarrassed by McCarthy's performance and on 2nd December, 1954, a censure motion condemned his conduct by 67 votes to 22."

Well I'm not even done with the first page and have YET to find a page supporting the a*****e!!!

They all just say it as it happened. Plain and simple.

So there Robert......your proof. Of course you will most likely come back "frothing at the mouth" demanding "proof".

Well, Robert, Ill just keep posting these same links over and over. What else is there.....but the TRUTH? And now you have it. You have 3 links on 2 posts. And even a link with my grandfathers name. But something tells me that mysteriously you will continue to come back saying "wheres the proof". I cant help you any further Robert. I will just have to refer to Shawn and Vera's fashion of dodge then........

"I showed you proof, you just refuse to read"

But I'll add to it......"or think".
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#289 Consumer Comment

Or how about this.......

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Here again I will post a link and some info from the page itself. Now this one I think you might be familiar with. Wikipedia.........

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

"The term "McCarthyism" has since become synonymous with any government activity which opponents claim is meant to suppress unfavorable political or social views, often by limiting or suspending civil rights for the alleged purpose of maintaining national security."
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#290 Consumer Comment

A little more fuel...

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Ok Robert,

This is how you post a link.........since you are completely incapable of doing it. All you can do is post your "opinion". Yet never show where you got it outside of your own brain.

http://mccarthy.cjb.net/

Here is a little tid-bit from that site.......

1954-1957: The Bubble Bursts
From 1950 to 1954, Joseph McCarthy was on the top. A simple sentence of his could be enough to ruin a man's career; a few kind words to the voters helped many fellow Republicans into office.

In May 1954, he got into a confrontation with the United States Army and its secretary, Robert Stevens, and the famous Army-McCarthy hearings started soon after. With a television audience of twenty million Americans, the flamboyant senator randomly fired accusations of Communism toward certain Army officers. With the assistance of his faithful aide Roy Cohn, he was able to put together enough evidence to give him at least slight credibility.

But McCarthy went too far. President Eisenhower helped the Army, his former employer, mount an impressive counter-attack. They recounted how McCarthy's former assistant and Cohn's sidekick, David Schine, had the senator gain him soft military assignments after being drafted. The press revolted as well, with Edward Murrow of early television fame showing plain, unedited clips from the hearings to show the fraud in McCarthy.18

Over the span of thirty-six days, there were thirty-two witnesses, 71 half-day sessions, 187 hours of TV air time, 100,000 live observers, and two million words of testimony.19 Joe kept up his attacks, which gradually weakened. Every day, millions of TV sets showed McCarthy pointing his finger yet again at another man. McCarthy was obviously slipping, but he didn't give up. Then, when he was attacking an associate of Joseph N. Welch, chief attorney for the Army, Welch stood up, faced the senator, and said:

Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness. Let us not assassinate this lad further, Senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you no sense of decency?20

And with that, the hearings ended, and so did McCarthy's witch hunting career. On December 2, 1954, the senate voted 67-22 to condemn him for "conduct contrary to Senatorial traditions." The condemnationonly the third one in 165 yearsnoted the abuse of his Senatorial powers.21 After the condemnation, he tried to pass a few of bills written by him, but most senators didn't approve these, probably to avoid association with the "worst senator". He had lost his honor, and rightly so.

As a result of his lower status, he began drinking heavily. Sometimes he would be drunk for days on end. He was frequently hospitalized, and although McCarthy and his doctors claimed reasons such as abrasions or broken bones, he was really dying from alcohol-induced cirrhosis. He died on May 2, 1957, at the Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland of peripheral neuritis. At his family's request, there was a funeral for him in the Senate chamber, and he was buried in Appleton, Wisconsin, seven miles from his birthplace.22
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Joseph McCarthy was a sleazy bully. He ruined the careers of hundreds of innocent men and women to advance his own. Yet for all of the suffering he directly caused, not to mention the pervasive fear in liberal circles of being unfairly associated with Communism which he indirectly gave birth to, throughout his entire senatorial career, he never once was able to directly convict a single suspected Communist of a crime.

He was probably the most talked about senator of his time. A great many arguments have been had over this man from Wisconsin. Even today, he is still potent in the minds of America; when Alger Hiss died at age 92 on Friday, November 15, 1996, the next day the San Francisco Chronicle used an entire paragraph to describe how McCarthy used the anti-Red atmosphere created by the Hiss case to begin his infamous run.

Wrongdoings aside, he had an amazing but swift career. He went from everyday senator, to national prominence, to humiliation, and to death, all in seven years.

McCarthy played on people's fears. "The Fight For America" was nothing more than a cleverly thought-out plan that took advantage of America's hysteria about Communism during the Cold War.

Yeah! Right! What a "nice" guy!

What a "good senator"!!
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#291 Consumer Comment

So explain to me Robert...

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

"So again, as I have said before, Senator McCarthy did nothing wrong, to anyone."---Robert

So explain to me Robert, why the man left politics in disgrace?

Have you completely forgotten how his DOWNFALL happened? Try and explain that line to the high ranking military people he accused of being "commies" that finally forced him to leave Capital Hill in disgrace.

I find it hard to believe that someone who left in disgrace.....is considered a "good man".

Now I have shown you OUTSIDE proof. Where is yours? All I have seen from you is your own comments without any OUTSIDE proof. No documents as you demand of me (which I have now provided).

Another thing I find very interesting Robert is how you claim to "not support Bush" and even "not support Just Brakes" yet here you are. Supporting both to near violent levels.

So who was it that is "frothing at the mouth"??

"Good senator from Wisconsin" my a*s!
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#292 Consumer Comment

You just DIS-Proved your own case Ben

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Lou Tandy's name comes up in this NON-Informative bit of nothingness during the years 1964-1965...more than 10 years AFTER the "Red Scare" that you seem so angry about.

This proves MY point and eliminates your entire argument. McCarthy had already been dead for years before your Grandfather was even thought about. McCarthy had NOTHING to do with your Grandfather...NOTHING!

Give this up. You came wholly unarmed for this battle of wits.
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#293 Consumer Comment

Gee Ben, I take it you cannot provide any proof

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

What a surprise. Not a single person in over 50 years has been able to provide any shred of evidence of wrongdoing, or unjust accusations by the good Senator. In fact, one of the people he accused, and was ultimately tried and executed, was Julius Rosenberg. Remember him? He and his wife gave the Soviets the "bomb". Let's all feel sorry for the poor innocent Rosenbergs. McCarthy's committee discovered the treasonous activities, and handed the PROOF over to the FBI.

What you are trying to equate to the Honorable Gentleman from Wisconsin, is the "House Committee on Un-American Activities", and the "Senate Internal Security Subcommittee". As a Senator, he would have not been on the former, as was not part of the latter. He had his own Committee.

So again, as I have said before, Senator McCarthy did nothing wrong, to anyone. His committee went after Commies in the Federal Government...ONLY!!! He was finally stopped because he went after General Marshall...Ike's friend. The President didn't want his buddy being outed.

The only other person he actually outed as a Commie, was Alger Hiss. Newsflash Ben, Hiss was a Communist. They were the ENEMY for about 45 years. You may have heard about them. President Reagan called them the "Evil Empire" for a reason. The same reason Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and Putin have too.

Ike knew that Senator McCarthy would be on his buddy again, so he pressed the Senate for a Censure action against the Senator.

It's funny how Edward R Murrow did all the negative press against McCarthy, yet somehow ignored the FACT his best friend was a Soviet spy. Lawrence Duggan and Murrow were like "peas and carrots", as the saying goes. Duggan killed himself before the US and Soviet agents could get him. Unfortunately, he killed himself long after the victims of his treasonous actions were tortured and executed by the Soviets.

As for your history books, mine never gave the man bad press when went to school. Mine told the whole story, and didn't try to mix up all the committees into one. I do find one thing odd about this line of attack you put up. According to you, if a book says the same thing over and over(also known as the big lie), it MUST be true. At the same time, you attack Vera and others for their religious beliefs...you know, accepting what is written over and over in a book as the truth. How can you be right, while they are wrong, while doing the exact same thing? This is the definition of HYPOCRITE.

Now, as for providing the PROOF of what you claim happened to your Grandfather...let's see it. I want to see Senator Joseph Raymond McCarthy's name and signature on the paperwork denying your Grandfather employment at ANYTHING. If you will not scan it and post it, then please do yourself a HUGE favor...shut the hell up, and go away. If you don't do this, you will just make yourself look more and more like the "sad, strange, little man" you appear to be.
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Gee Ben, I take it you cannot provide any proof

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

What a surprise. Not a single person in over 50 years has been able to provide any shred of evidence of wrongdoing, or unjust accusations by the good Senator. In fact, one of the people he accused, and was ultimately tried and executed, was Julius Rosenberg. Remember him? He and his wife gave the Soviets the "bomb". Let's all feel sorry for the poor innocent Rosenbergs. McCarthy's committee discovered the treasonous activities, and handed the PROOF over to the FBI.

What you are trying to equate to the Honorable Gentleman from Wisconsin, is the "House Committee on Un-American Activities", and the "Senate Internal Security Subcommittee". As a Senator, he would have not been on the former, as was not part of the latter. He had his own Committee.

So again, as I have said before, Senator McCarthy did nothing wrong, to anyone. His committee went after Commies in the Federal Government...ONLY!!! He was finally stopped because he went after General Marshall...Ike's friend. The President didn't want his buddy being outed.

The only other person he actually outed as a Commie, was Alger Hiss. Newsflash Ben, Hiss was a Communist. They were the ENEMY for about 45 years. You may have heard about them. President Reagan called them the "Evil Empire" for a reason. The same reason Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and Putin have too.

Ike knew that Senator McCarthy would be on his buddy again, so he pressed the Senate for a Censure action against the Senator.

It's funny how Edward R Murrow did all the negative press against McCarthy, yet somehow ignored the FACT his best friend was a Soviet spy. Lawrence Duggan and Murrow were like "peas and carrots", as the saying goes. Duggan killed himself before the US and Soviet agents could get him. Unfortunately, he killed himself long after the victims of his treasonous actions were tortured and executed by the Soviets.

As for your history books, mine never gave the man bad press when went to school. Mine told the whole story, and didn't try to mix up all the committees into one. I do find one thing odd about this line of attack you put up. According to you, if a book says the same thing over and over(also known as the big lie), it MUST be true. At the same time, you attack Vera and others for their religious beliefs...you know, accepting what is written over and over in a book as the truth. How can you be right, while they are wrong, while doing the exact same thing? This is the definition of HYPOCRITE.

Now, as for providing the PROOF of what you claim happened to your Grandfather...let's see it. I want to see Senator Joseph Raymond McCarthy's name and signature on the paperwork denying your Grandfather employment at ANYTHING. If you will not scan it and post it, then please do yourself a HUGE favor...shut the hell up, and go away. If you don't do this, you will just make yourself look more and more like the "sad, strange, little man" you appear to be.
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Gee Ben, I take it you cannot provide any proof

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

What a surprise. Not a single person in over 50 years has been able to provide any shred of evidence of wrongdoing, or unjust accusations by the good Senator. In fact, one of the people he accused, and was ultimately tried and executed, was Julius Rosenberg. Remember him? He and his wife gave the Soviets the "bomb". Let's all feel sorry for the poor innocent Rosenbergs. McCarthy's committee discovered the treasonous activities, and handed the PROOF over to the FBI.

What you are trying to equate to the Honorable Gentleman from Wisconsin, is the "House Committee on Un-American Activities", and the "Senate Internal Security Subcommittee". As a Senator, he would have not been on the former, as was not part of the latter. He had his own Committee.

So again, as I have said before, Senator McCarthy did nothing wrong, to anyone. His committee went after Commies in the Federal Government...ONLY!!! He was finally stopped because he went after General Marshall...Ike's friend. The President didn't want his buddy being outed.

The only other person he actually outed as a Commie, was Alger Hiss. Newsflash Ben, Hiss was a Communist. They were the ENEMY for about 45 years. You may have heard about them. President Reagan called them the "Evil Empire" for a reason. The same reason Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and Putin have too.

Ike knew that Senator McCarthy would be on his buddy again, so he pressed the Senate for a Censure action against the Senator.

It's funny how Edward R Murrow did all the negative press against McCarthy, yet somehow ignored the FACT his best friend was a Soviet spy. Lawrence Duggan and Murrow were like "peas and carrots", as the saying goes. Duggan killed himself before the US and Soviet agents could get him. Unfortunately, he killed himself long after the victims of his treasonous actions were tortured and executed by the Soviets.

As for your history books, mine never gave the man bad press when went to school. Mine told the whole story, and didn't try to mix up all the committees into one. I do find one thing odd about this line of attack you put up. According to you, if a book says the same thing over and over(also known as the big lie), it MUST be true. At the same time, you attack Vera and others for their religious beliefs...you know, accepting what is written over and over in a book as the truth. How can you be right, while they are wrong, while doing the exact same thing? This is the definition of HYPOCRITE.

Now, as for providing the PROOF of what you claim happened to your Grandfather...let's see it. I want to see Senator Joseph Raymond McCarthy's name and signature on the paperwork denying your Grandfather employment at ANYTHING. If you will not scan it and post it, then please do yourself a HUGE favor...shut the hell up, and go away. If you don't do this, you will just make yourself look more and more like the "sad, strange, little man" you appear to be.
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#296 Consumer Comment

And just for Robert... Now......your turn. Show me the proof.

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Robert,

While I assumed it was impossible for me to aquire the documents from my family that would even remotely satisfy you in regards to my grandfather, I did find this.......

http://infoshare1.princeton.edu/libraries/firestone/rbsc/finding_aids/tillett.html

My grandfathers name was W. Lou Tandy. You will find him among the list of this study into the "loyalty-security programs" of the Federal Government's during the McCarthy era.

On a side note......just where do you think the term "McCarthy Era" came from? Do we create an "era" for all our senators? Are all worhty of such "respect". I think even you would agree, the man did SOMETHING. I'll let you try and convince if it was bad or good. Obviously most in the universe would not put him in the "good" category.

Now I put great thought into the idea of posting a full name here. The three of you have proven to be nasty in regards to personal attacks. So I am hoping that the three of you have some shred of honor in regards to how you use it. You certainly havent shown much so far.


Now, Robert, show me some proof about McCarthy being the saint you make him out to be.

I have given you all proof where I got my Bush quotes. Several to be exact.

I have given you all proof when the subject of poll ratings came up.

I have given you proof about the wholesale slaughter of civil rights in the past 5 years. Matter of fact even the President himself has admitted to it in the last 2 weeks!

I have even shown that I can go above and beyond, by posting a full name of a family member over this pathetic attempt by you to defend that monster McCarthy.

Now......your turn. Show me the proof.

ALL OF YOU.
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#297 Consumer Comment

WOW!

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Golly gee wizzers!!

I havent even posted here in days. Yet the people that constantly blather about taking personal snipes, suddenly decide to throw me into the mix again......**sigh****....ok.....


"Ben, you're still fair game, if only because I can see you frothing at the mouth while you post your comments. You want everyone to show proof for you. Why don't you try doing it. Show us the "proof" that your Grandfather was unjustly persecuted by Senator McCarthy and the Commission he Chaired? If you won't, please follow your own advice and shut the hell up, you hypocrite!?"----Robert


Well Robert,

Still pissed about that Just Brakes thread I see. Hmmmm the only person I think that is "frothing at the mouth while making a post" is you.

Now on to address these "comments".....

Do I really need to show proof that McCarthy was a "great guy". Because I doubt I will find any. If you want me to show proof that he was a "bad guy" then I suggest you go get a history book, ANY HISTORY BOOK, on America during those years. Hell, I studied that part of our nations past when I was in my 2nd year in high school. Did you take any courses in American history in school? From your pro-McCarthy rants, I would think not.

You started with the comments about McCarthy being such a great human and asset to this nation. Something that any rational person in this nation would completely disagree. I think the burden of proof is on you to show otherwise.

If someone came here and said that the Holocaust was horrible, would you demand proof? Its the same deal. We are talking about something that is WELL KNOWN. Now if someone denied the Holocaust.....then it is up to them to prove their statements. Your dealing with a subject that is so well proven and so well documented that the burden of proof lies with those that deny it.

In other words I have no intention of filling this thread with all the info available about McCarthy's evil ways. I doubt the server for this site can handle it. On the other hand, I think it would be very hard for you to find comments stating otherwise. Unless you troll the Aryan Nations site. They may support you.

Basically your asking me to prove that the sky is blue. While you complain that its green. Then you ask me to show proof. Yet refuse to go outside and look up!

If you want to debunk every history book ever written since the 60's, then the burden lies with you.

About this "You want everyone to show proof for you." Yeah! I do, because they have NEVER backed up thier statements....EVER. I even had to show them how to paste an URL!!

I'm STILL waiting for Vera to show where SHE got her info on Islam in CA schools. I finally gave up and had to hunt the info down myself. And still cant cross-reference it outside of some nutty pro-Pat Robertson 700 Club site. Shawn, Vera, and now you, have bitched and moaned about "proof".....yet cant even do it yourself.

Get real!


Face it Robert, your still pissed because of that Just Brakes thread where you proven without a doubt that you have complete contempt for everyone....period. Customer or not. Your just an unpleasent person in general. Your statements like "just to annoy", "frothing at the mouth while posting", "fair game" are proof of that. You enjoy being mean. I am not the only one to point it out either. Maybe you should go back to the Just Brake threads and take a long look at how you respond to people. Any people.


And with that......I'll move on to the other Bush thread. Out of respect to others I have decided to not post on multiple threads so much unless I am targeted alone. (I know Shawn is just giddy with glee to make vicious comments about that......let me remind you Shawn....you did the same on the Moore thread....so practice what you preach). Obviously you (Robert), Vera, and Shawn are just hell bent on attacking people. Nothing more. You have hunted me down across multiple threads. You cannot say the same about me. I stick to the subject at hand until someone makes it personal. Which is now the standard MO for all three of you. I will admit that long ago in the beginning on the first Bush thread I did attack Vera. That being because of her constant drivel about GOD this and GOD that. GOD GOD GOD I am not the only person to point that out to her. Politics=God......God=Politics......bullshit!

Have a Happy New Year!

(but something tells me you dont want that either....mean people rarely find time to be "happy")
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Shawn, You reflected my sentiments perfectly. !

AUTHOR: Jon - (U.S.A.)

Thanks for the outstanding response to Tyler's post. You reflected my sentiments perfectly. However, your post was well crafted and by far more articulate than my attempt. Oh well... B, Vera & Shawn, I think I may be just a little bit envious of your writing ability. Ok, a lot envious! Now, if I can just get some of you to convert on that Bush issue. Keep up the great work.

Sincerely,
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Not directed at anyone in particular, but, just a thought . . .

AUTHOR: Shawn - (U.S.A.)

There have been many who accuse those who support our president, George W. Bush, as blind, lemmings, and followers. Such statements set down in these threads got me to thinking: why do we hear so little talk of right-wing demagoguery, and yet it is so often a term associated with Democrats? Oh, now and then some dyspeptic liberal will lodge such charges against Rush Limbaugh or some other outspoken conservative stalwart; but the Republicans have no true counterparts to the likes of Jesse Jackson, Patricia Ireland, Al Sharpton, et al. There simply is no conservative whose income source is derived from the chronic spewing of grandiose determinations or aphoristic sound bites which have no purpose other than to seduce special interest groups and individuals into how much they need him in their corner.

Although people at all points of the political spectrum seek strong voices to articulate their respective interests, demagoguery actively fans the fires of oppression and discrimination, creating new categories of needs that people never knew they had (and, in truth, probably don't have). The demagogue's success is gained from the sowing of an ill placed blame, then feeding it with the emotions of societies weakest and those with limited self-esteem, and cultivating victimhood. He inflates his power only by reminding you of your impotence and your personal and political irrelevance. He sells the misconception that society is responsible for elevating you, not the other way around. Collectively, those are not notions that coincide with conservative, or, Republican beliefs.

The acculturation of blame may be traced back to its roots in pop psychology - specifically, the twelve step recovery movement. Step one, traditionally consists of accepting that you're powerless over your addiction. Step two is placing your fate in the hands of a higher power. The ultimate origin of these steps was in 1935 by the mother of all twelve-steps, Alcoholics Anonymous. This powerlessness was problem-specific (booze) and the higher power was unequivocally spiritual (God). Since then, it has been bastardized to encompass any number of addictions, dysfunctions, conditions,syndromes, and so-called diseases, and it has inevitably bled over into our culture at large. Powerlessness has become an all-pervading mantra. Meanwhile, the higher power grew more secular and pragmatic: It has become anything external that could help get you well.

This whimsical escape from both self, and societal responsibility ( looking outward, not inward, for advancement) has always been an eye catcher for people who already feel outcast, disenfranchised, or just un willing to work. Shrewd liberal political activists have recognized the financial blessings from encouraging these disenfranchised/etc. to regard them as their higher power: they play to the paranoia of those who feel downtrodden and persecuted, and thereby consolidate their franchise by encouraging them to go right on feeling that way'.

Having surrendered to their higher power, today's self-styled victims follow blindly and unquestioningly - no matter how absurd the platform a liberal demagogue promotes - no matter what hypocrisy they may be caught in; their followers (who, remember, no longer really think for themselves) swear continued allegiance, offering the most improbable of justifications, if any at all, for their loyalty - often side stepping that which exposes the insanity of their sentiments, by ignoring fact, and attacking the opposing views of others, with fervent, inane argument.

This Cricetidae family mentality on the part of people who feel victimized and out of control . . . hardly makes for responsible political leadership. Eg.: Marion Barry - You will recall that Barry served as mayor of Washington, D.C. for twelve years, until his crack-fest landed him in prison in 1990. In support of my theory, and proof of his demagogue status there (where his main base of supporters was drawn from a large African American population), upon his release, Washingtonians once again made him a councilman and gave him another shot as mayor. This same principle helps us to understand why hoards of women, including feminists, stood by Bill Clinton through his adulterous affairs and his camp's shameless, near-misogynist vilification of his various mistresses. Clinton was their higher power. That's all they needed to know.

Now, when we research victimization and demagoguery, we have more than just fuzzy logic to worry about; one of the sobering risks of a full-blown demagogic outreach, is that it would likely end in chagriningly imprecise, chimerically expensive legislation - like (to keep "on topic" with this thread) the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA). As the ADA was being shaped, it became clear that it would ignore almost nobody. The information sheet accompanying the bill noted that it would affect 43 million Americans (one sixth of the population). Subsequent challenges to the ADA's restrictions have since threatened to expand its encompassment to as many as 160 million people, nearly two thirds of the population. This happens when liberal demagogues harvest a cause that would enable most anyone who is so inclined, to feel helpless.

With the rise of the welfare system, the modern demagogue has spawned a self-perpetuating class of intentional, forever-victims. Americans are historically sympathetic toward the underdog, mostly because we assumed that such status was a temporary condition, which people aspired to overcome. Our patience with some of our distressed neighbors has, admittedly, worn a bit thin, but it is due to the nature of the bargain being arbitrarily changed - that is, the agelong dynamic between demagogue and citizen, has created a permanent underdog caste, and these ever-increasing victims keep voting for the party that rewards their victimization. I have little doubt that victimization's founding vision - a society comprising of millions of unfortunates, thwarted by nature and nurture alike - is responsible for the solidification of the Democratic party's unspoken goal of government-as-surrogate-parent' In truth, the victimization mentality, spread by liberal demagoguery, is a never-ending, infantilizing cycle which has lead the way for the bastardizing of the constitution, the vilification of success, and the demoralization of society.

Whether you are a man or a woman; black, white, red, brown, or yellow; handicapped or handicapable; impoverished, middle income, or wealthy - it doesn't matter which part of this great country you hail from, or what hurdles have been set in your life-path, it is imperative that each of you realize this - the only one capable of victimizing you, is you - stop listening to these self-appointed demagogues to decide what is best for this nation. Likewise, if a special interest group or activist is touting their version of this country's needs, don't believe them, they are only looking at what will serve them best, not the whole country! Thank God for a leader like our current president! Although I don't believe in or support all of George W. Bush's actions and policies, I am happy that he does not cave under the pressure of the Democratic Party's continued rants of mendacious diatribe and vitriol (which are usually touted on behalf of some squeaky wheel with a fat bank account).

Don't agree with me? That's ok . . . I understand that there are those of you who like their position of victim - that way you don't need to accept responsibility for anything, including your failures.

May God Bless America
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GEEEEZ, YOU THINK PRESIDENT BUSH GIVES A d**n WHAT ANY OF YOU THINK

AUTHOR: Tyler - (U.S.A.)

GEE,

I THOUGHT YOU GUYS WOULD BE DONE BY NOW, BUT GUESS NOT. ALL OF YOU GUYS SAY YOU ARE VOICING YOUR OPINION, BUT YOU THINK PRESIDENT BUSH GIVES A d**n WHAT ANY OF YOU THINK OF HIM, THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE WHO THINK HIGHLY OF HIM, THAT CANCELS OUT ANYTHING YOU DEMOCRATS HAVE TO SAY. LETS GET ONE THING STRAIGHT, PRESIDENT BUSH IS YOUR LEADER AND WILL BE FOR THREE MORE YEARS, WHEN HE SAYS JUMP YOU SAY HOW HIGH? THERE NEEDS TO BE LEADERSHIP IN THIS COUNTRY, BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE MOST OF YOU DONT KNOW WHEN TO SHUT UP! BUSH WILL NOT BE IMPEACHED, REGUARDLESS OF HOW LOUD YOU PEOPLE PUMP YOUR FAT ARMS AND CALL FOR IT. IT IS NOT YOUR CALL, BECAUSE NONE OF YOU ARE QUALIFIED TO MAKE THAT ASSESSMENT, IF YOU WERE IT WOULDN'T BE CONGRESS THAT MAKES THAT DECISION. AND WHILE WE'RE AT IT, ONE OF YOUR FELLOW DEMOCRATS JENNIFER GRANHOLM, OUR GOVERNER HERE IN MICHIGAN JUST VETO'D A BILL THAT CALLED FOR A FOUR YEAR LIFETIME LIMIT ON WELFARE. THAT IS WHAT YOU GUYS ARE ALL ABOUT GETTING SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. PEOPLE WHINE ABOUT LOOKING OUT FOR THE KIDS IN THAT SITUATION. HERE IS AN IDEA, FIRST BE RESPONSIBLE AND DONT HAVE KIDS OUT OF WEDLOCK. SECOND THE ONES WHO ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE AND HAVE KIDS OUT OF WEDLOCK ANYWAY, IF THEY DONT HAVE SUFFICIENT INCOME TO SUPPORT THE CHILD, THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD FORCE THE CHILD INTO ADOPTION, SO THAT CHILD HAS A SHOT AT LIFE. IMAGINE THESE WELFARE CHILDREN, THEY LOOK AT THIER PARENTS AND WONDER WHY THEY DONT WORK, AS THEY GROW OLDER THEY REALIZE THIER PARENTS ARE FRAUDS HAVING CHILDREN TO GET OUT OF WORKING. AS THAT CHILD GROWS TO BE ABOUT 14-15 THEY GOT A CHILD ON THE WAY AND THE PROCESS REPEATS ITSELF. BUT HEY THATS HOW YOU DEMOCRATS ROLL. WANTING SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. BUT YOU GUYS WILL NEVER CHANGE ONCE A DEMOCRAT ALWAYS A DEMOCRAT. SO KEEP ON SUPPORTING WELFARE AND PROMOTING LAZY MOTHERS AND FATHERS THAT TAKE OFF SO THE CHILD AND FATHER NEVER MEET. BUT THANK GOD WE HAVE A MAN LIKE GEORGE W.BUSH WHO IS WORKING TO CHANGE "OPERATION LAZY a*s"
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#301 Consumer Comment

I got more toys for Christmas

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I collect WW2 stuff. I'm starting a neat little Afrika Korps unit.

Lori, I shall try and not hammer you in the future. I only used your profession as a source for your expertise. You want everyone to show proof, yet you fail to do so also.

Ben, you're still fair game, if only because I can see you frothing at the mouth while you post your comments. You want everyone to show proof for you. Why don't you try doing it. Show us the "proof" that your Grandfather was unjustly persecuted by Senator McCarthy and the Commission he Chaired? If you won't, please follow your own advice and shut the hell up, you hypocrite!?

Vera, always a thrill to read your posts...even if they are a tad long.

Shawn...ditto.

James Gang, still crazy after all these years I see.

The rest of you...I hope you all had a good Christmas. I sure did, and I am an Atheist. Here's a hint...what everyone celebrates is actually a Pagan Holiday...the Winter Festival. Jesus was born in the spring. Joseph and Mary were paying their taxes. Ever wonder why every country of European descent collects taxes in April-May? We can thank the Romans. They sure knew how to run a country.
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#302 Consumer Comment

To Robert, Point well taken. Yes I have spewed some venom and to all I appologize!!!

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Yes, SSI is a federal program but, you have to go through the STATE office of Disability Determination. I swear this office is in cahoots with all attorneys here. It doesn't matter what your injury or illness is you pretty much have to hire a lawyer to get on SSI here. It takes everyone two years. I have another friend who has MS. She has one of the more aggresive types. It was well documented in all of her medical records and the doctor that Disability Determination sent her to agreed with the diagnosis they still denied her. She was finally approved, after hiring a lawyer, and it took two years. I can understand needing this process because there are those who try to say they are disabled when there is really nothing wrong with them but, I also think that some illness, once they are documented in your medical records and you have gone to see "their" doctor and that doctor agrees, should be automatically approved. My male friend really is not a bumb. He hates the idea of having to get on SSI and welfare. He has always taken care of himself.

No, I haven't been to college for four or more years. But, I love what I do. I have worked in this field for quite awhile now. I currently work in long term care. I feel privaleged to be able to take care of the people I have taken care of. They have taught me alot about courage, caring, and compassion. I have taken care of people with every illness you can think of;
dementia, alzhiemers, epilepsy, severe head trauma, MS, muscular dystrophy, cancer, aids, to name just a few. And have learned alot along the way. If I can make a difference in just one persons life a day, then I am happy. A Nurses Aide does most of the direct care for the residents, which means more one on one time with them than what a nurse or doctor gets. We get to know them. And they become a part of your extended family.

I don't critisize you for being a mechanic, yes I have seen some of your posts on other threads. Believe me, I wouldn't want your job. People always bitching about the cost of repairs when they really don't realize what has to go into those repairs. My husband can fix just about anything that goes wrong with a car. He has repaired our old used cars in the past. What a headache, having to take this and that off just to get to what you are trying to replace. I also know you work for NAPA and their parts are pretty expensive, but well worth the money. We used to live in a pretty small town with only three parts stores to choose from, Auto Zone, O'Reilly's, and NAPA. Well, we went the Auto Zone and O'Reilly's route a few times. Believe me, you had better get that life time warranty they offer because you will be replacing that part in six months or less. That is, if they give you the right part in the first place-lol. So, we switched to NAPA and have always done business with them ever since. So, why do critisize what I do?

Anyway, I hope you had a very Merry Christmas and wish you all the best in the New Year and, I will do my best not to be rude and insulting to anyone-OK.
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#303 Consumer Comment

James of Tupper ...keep to your own thread.

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

James of Tupper, you should stick to babysitting you own posts...after all, there are plenty of them that come from Tupper, tanted by your directionless, insulting, inane babble.

And for the record, you aren't worth the time to pick a fight about "religion"...you're so out classed by everyone in every fight you pick.

For starters, I never said I was "religious"; I have said that I belong to a Christian denomination. I never said I was a perfect saint, that's Ben's angle...and apparently, since your nursemaid---more like wet nurse---from Canada isn't there to support your drivel with factless garbage of his own, now you're gonna try to ride Ben's coattails. How sad.

Secondly, I think it's funny that you would skim past all the mountains of information I have provided to argue my point or otherwise support my position, and say I've provided posts that amount to nothing. If facts were snakes, each of my posts would put you in intensive care---you know intensive care, right? It's the floor just above the psych ward, where you hang out.

Thirdly, you have provided nothing more to that post than nonsense, insult, and opinion. ZERO facts, ZERO support of your position, and a BIG ZERO on cleverness. You show up on an average of once a week to spout something clever like "Soon Bush-Pig will be out of office, and My Lady Hillary will be president" and "Huh, Funny George Bush is a Drunk!" From start to current, every single bullcrap claim you have made, has never had any facts supporting it...not one single time.

And finally, I have told you...if you can't come back with supportive info based on solid fact, or at least something that's more intelligently written, then don't bother speaking to me. You haven't done anything of merit yet, so why are you wasting my time, little boy?

Let me guess: You've finished off your Christmas Fifth of Ol' Gran'dad? I see it's not even out of Midnight before you start spewing your drunken rage on these reports. I take it you didn't get what you wanted from Santa, right?

Get over yourself and quit wasting space. You've got your own report, go there and baby-sit it. You're just upset that Steve of Sterling can attract more responses with civility than you can with insults. Time for you to go back where you belong, and let the other adults discuss things.
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#304 Consumer Comment

Tyler this is not about Democrats & Republicans. It's About Doing The Right Thing!

AUTHOR: Jon - (U.S.A.)

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people like Tyler out there who simply think everything is fine and dandy with America as is, after all, as you state it; you went to college, you have a good job and you did it all on his own. Well maybe not quite all on your own anyway, you see Tyler, I very much doubt that you bought and paid for the college that you attended. No, my is guess is that we the tax payers did that, as we pay for many things people like you take for granted. After all you're too busy making money and worrying that poor schmuck that maybe getting something for free at your expense. I admit I've never been one to accept or support handouts either, especially those that are given to corporations and countries that are unappreciative and don't even need it to begin with. But there are many things that we do as a society to benefit the general good of this nation because it's the right thing to do in most cases. I know there are many people besides you that may not understand this concept. In fact, just the other day I was reading a news article about a New York State based defense sub contractor working for Halliburton named Brooks who just spent 10 million dollars for his daughter's Bat Mitzvah from money he made by selling shares in his defense related company. Well, I'm sure most of you are very likely wondering what this has to do with anything I've said so far. The company that Mr. Brooks owns makes bullet proof vests for our brave young woman and men who are fighting in Iraq. Unfortunately, our pentagon was unable to purchase enough vests to go around due to the inflated cost of these very same vests. Hmmmcan you see where I'm headed now? This person made a conscience decision: That he preferred to throw this lavish party for his friends and family at the expense of the safety of our troops. This is totally inexcusable and outright disgusting in my opinion. Many others including our fine presidenta might say it's just capitalism at work. BTW- Do I need to mention that our troops are also there in part to protect the rights of Israel as well? If Bush didn't agree with what Brooks has done he should made it very clear: This is not the American way that I know!
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#305 Consumer Suggestion

Vera-Tweet-Ohio!!!!!!! You need HELP!!!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

I swear you are George Walker Bushs wife or maybe his MOTHER!!!!! Vera, you are ignoring the truth and allowing death as a result of a false war. I hate to tell you that religious people hate violence. The Bush's love violence, as daddy has shown the American people. Vera, All we here from you is religious rantings that amount to nothing, but you support Bush and the killing! You are f**ked UP!!!!! Period, as I say you are part of Bush's plot. The Americans are being swiped of their rights each day, etc. The Patriot act: the fact that the USA Government can evesdrop on it's own citizens, the freedom of information act, anyone can learn anything from a database. I feel that some people are trying to re-write the constituion that has been here since we were born.
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#306 Consumer Comment

TYLER'ALTHOUGH I'M SURE YOUR INTENTIONS ARE GOOD, . . .

AUTHOR: Shawn - (U.S.A.)

I am truly sorry Tyler, but to be quite honest you sound like the stereotypical warmongering, wealth driven, arrogant, neo-conservative Republican that these left wing nuts are trying to assert is the typical amongst us! Believe me, I take no pleasure in chastizing a fellow republican, and that is not my intent; but please do, at least, "chew on" my advice for awhile.

First, to type in all capitals makes it difficult to read, also, it is viewed as "yelling" or "screaming" your words. Let's face it, that has long been a "liberal" action; that is to say, if they don't have facts, truth, or even justifiable opinion to offer, they just talk louder than anyone else, and they believe that this somehow "drives their (non)point home".

Second, All citizens of the United states, once the "legal age of majority", have the right to vote . . . employee, employer, artist, art critique, working stiff to non-working stump - we all have a say in who represents us - that is a right given to all of us.

Third, your success in business, or lack thereof really has nothing to do with anything on this thread. The apparent need to tout your successes in business could be (mis?)construed as an attempt to suppress those less fortunate via mental intimidation, thereby lending support to the very creed you are attempting to illuminate as one of our society's ills!

I am not going to point by point your posts to the point of absurdity, instead I will summarize a few of the obvious grenades dropped behind our own lines which I have spotted. Aside from the above mentioned, I, an immigrant from the North, (although where I'm from is irrelevant) am considered within my community to be one of the successful",and upstanding citizens. I don't hide my education, however I don't use it to Lord Over those less capable, or lucky than myself. In the six years since my immigration, (and settlement in California,) my wife and I have, with the help of God, built a rather successful conglomeration of small businesses. At present, at least 32 families depend on our continued success for thier income - including two who don't work for us, but rather had found themselves in the unfortunate position of being without any viable means of support(my wife is a "softy" lol) - I assure you, neither one was lazy, stupid, or illegal( and btw, BOTH are poltically staunch conservatives!) By your take of things, should I not be allowed to vote?

Oh ya, FYI, we here in America don't have a king and it's not treason to speak out against our government - it's actually rather un-American of you to suggest otherwise ( here's a catch-phrase of the dems that would serve you good to learn . . . : First Amendment . . . duh!) Also, I don't mean to nitpick, but before you toss judgement upon others as being lazy, uneducated, or stupid', you might want to set an example to the opposite with your own compositions. If you truly do have a college level education, your applied punctuation and grammar suggest laziness, if not, it suggests you have lied, and if neither lazy, nor lying, then I guess that would leave proof positive that not only are you too stupid to write in a legible manner, but your employer is too stupid to catch on to the fact that your diploma is a forgery.

In short, correctly pen a well reasoned and factual post, and you will succede where I have yet to see but a scant number of democratic party supporters tread . . . with the respect and admiration of reality, as well as sitting in the rather enjoyable position of knowing that whatever diatribe and rhetoric our opponents respond with, it will amount to little more than the bleating and farting' (ty-V lol) of disillusioned sheep.

Speaking of which, to Lori, Amy, and the most recent impeach Bush! jaw jigglers - I offer a small portion of advice . . . rather than continuing to spread the lies and fecal coated spin that has oozed down from the Democratic party's hypocritic front men, why not try this on for the sake of novelty - explain exactly where it happened that bush lied, committed this indictable offense that he is to be impeached for, or acted contrary to the best interests (at least, perceptibly so at the time of the accused action) of the WHOLE country - and not just some whiny little special interest group.
FYI > facts are, the elections in iraq were successful, with an even larger Sunni turnout than expected, the dinari is up in comparison to other currency in the region, and let's not forget, we did get Saddam Heussein. George W. has provided a "plan" for Iraq. (He failed to give a specific time frame for the withdrawl of our troops, but, even Clinton stated that would be a foolish thing to do{see the interview with that snuffluffogus guy}) Oh yes, and some 20,000 troops are already home from Iraq. . . for Christmas! Here in America, the price at the pumps has been steadily dropping, and continues to do so, there were 215,00 new jobs created in the month of November, 200,000 plus in December, and over 4.5 million new jobs in the last 2-1/2 years. Third quarter growth this year was 4.3% and projected 4th quareter is around the same. Unemployment is at 5% - that's lower than the average rates of the 1970's, 1980's, AND EVEN THE 1990's when Slick Willy was in the Oval Office! (rotflmao) Our dollar is up over 10% versus the Euro in the last 8 months, and the 10-year treasury yield, at 4.5%, is well below its 2000 average of 6% (when the U.S. faced surpluses as far as the eye could see!) Let's not forget that holiday shopping is stronger than it has been in over 8 years - contrary to the projections put forth by the Democratic party leaders and thier pessimistic followers.
Now, given the facts , Amy . . . I would say it's not pride you're wanting anyone to swallow!

I would suggest that you take some of your own advice about swallowing pride, and open your eyes to the FACTS - you will find that this country is better off than it has been in years! One more point for both you and Charles to ponder previous to continued claims of how much destruction this government has wreaked upon the poor, and middle class working families . . . - before getting into too much, you must have a basic understanding of a few things:

-According to the census bereau, middle class refers to families with an annual income between $25,000 and $95,000, and he Drum Major Institute for Public Policy'(non-partisan) lists it as $25,000 - $100,000 annual income (both are gross income)

-When touting the Liberal mantra that the middle class pays for all of Bush's tax cuts, the DNC includes middle income families as $50,000 to $250,000 annual income(they fail to note whether this is gross' or net' income)

-In fairness, the GOP defines middle income as $40,000 to $150,000 gross income annually

-for the following, all figures will be taken from DMIPP

-anybody can start factoring in any number of variables to create any number of different outcomes which support thier point, for the following, the only variables used were:

DMIPP definition of middle income
income earners between 20 and 65 with an average age being 40.3 years old
average incomes taken represent incomes of 57% male, 43% female (random)
no other factors have been considered

TAKING THE PRECEDING INTO ACCOUNT

The 2005 rate of inflation is approximately 3% (if December remains at .9%)
2005 middle income salaries rose by 7.2% gross (including bonus')
2005 poverty level rose by 1.3% (however, minimum income for poverty level has been re-adjusted at an 11.3% increase)
almost 8% (7.85%) of those earning middle income salaries in 2004 broke the $100,000 mark in 2005

NOW, AMY and CHARLES. . . how is it this administration is demolishing the middle class?

P.S. the income level of the rich only rose 4.7% during the same time period, and, it was a Kennedy that was the murderer. Also, it was Bubba, the good ol' boy from Little Rock that first superceded the courts and used the NSA to spy without warrant - Georgr W. must just be relying on precedent! You got the FACTS now, make up your own mind!

All in all, all I want for Christmas is to have everybody, Democrat or Republican, to learn FACT before issuing opinion and judgement. May God Bless everyone this holiday season - Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
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#307 Consumer Comment

I stand ...corrected...sort of. :)

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Lori...
I'm sorry...I guess I assumed you were taking my previous post (about "Republic" as a personal attack. Apparently, I was wrong, and I do apologize for my error.

Thank you for being a good sport about it. ;)
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#308 Consumer Comment

I stand ...corrected...sort of. :)

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Lori...
I'm sorry...I guess I assumed you were taking my previous post (about "Republic" as a personal attack. Apparently, I was wrong, and I do apologize for my error.

Thank you for being a good sport about it. ;)
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#309 Consumer Comment

I stand ...corrected...sort of. :)

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Lori...
I'm sorry...I guess I assumed you were taking my previous post (about "Republic" as a personal attack. Apparently, I was wrong, and I do apologize for my error.

Thank you for being a good sport about it. ;)
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#310 Consumer Comment

Let's all not be rude or insulting

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"Bush is an idiot!!!
Amen Steve!! I couldn't have put it better myself!! Bush has ruined our country!! He is nothing but a war monger and I hate to see our fine service men and women killed because of this liar!! Where are the weapons of mass distruction that he claimed were there? I agree, he needs to be impeached before things get worse. Everyone thought Clinton was so bad. At least we had a hugh budget surplus when he was in office. It didn't take Bush long to blow all of that. I say, pull out of Iraq and put all the money he is spending on this so called war back into our country. We are the richest country in the world and yet so many people are going bankrupt because of no health care."

"David from OKC you seem to have the same attitude that alot of people from OKC have.
If we don't share your opinion then you get on here and insult and belittle everyone. That is the wonderful thing about America, we can all think for ourselves!!! How boring would this world be if we all thought the same, looked the same, dressed the same, etc. Just because we voice our opinion, which we are entitled to, doesn't mean that you need to be so rude. Maybe you need to get a life!!!"

"Bush doesn't care about America!!
If Bush is such a great President and cares so much about America, why did it take almost a week to get help to Katrina victims?? However, it took about three days to get help to the Tsunami victims half way across the world!! Makes you say hmmm doesn't it??? I can tell you why. Because the majority of people devistated by Katrina are poor and African-American!!! It just goes to show you how prejudice this liar is. If he cares so much about America, why doesn't our lovely government help bail out General Motors like Chrysler Corp was bailed out back in the late 70's early 80's? The GM plant here in OKC is closing early 2006. 2500 people out of work, not to mention the other 30,000 people without jobs across the country. He doesn't care because they are working class, not the filthy rich like himself. All you Republicans can rant and rave about how great you seem to think he is, he will NEVER have my respect!!!"

"To Robert
You and Baby Bush would make a GREAT pair!!! You obviousily care NOTHING for the Human Race!!! Just because someone is on welfare, which by the way I am NOT, doesn't mean that they should die because you seem to think they are lowlifes!!! I have a friend who is drawing welfare now because he was a truck driver, for 15 years, and due to an accident, which was NOT HIS FAULT, he now has a seizure disorder. He was almost killed in this accident. Nobody will give him job not even 7-11 because of the liability. Believe me, he has applied everywhere. Do you call that a low life??? If you ask me, YOU ROBERT are the lowlife!!! I feel so sorry for you!! As for the car I drive, I drive a 2005 Pontiac, Yes a GM product, Grand Am!!! My concern is for the PEOPLE who are being affected by these layoffs, oh I forget, you have NO concern for your fellow man!!! Oh, and the REAL reason Bush won't help GM out is because he doesn't own stock in GM like he and daddy have stock in Chrysler so now whatcha gotta say??? Maybe you should learn some facts yourself."

Shall we start with you Lori? Charles is beyond help. Again, Charles fired the first shot...all others have been return volleys. You seem to enjoy the Freedom of Speesch thing Lori. You also seem to dislike the other side of the same coin...the retort. If you choose to take sides on an issue, be prepared to defend your position. You seem to take great joy in name-calling and flat out disallowing anyone else's opinion on anything.

Since you want everyone(or is it just me) to provide the proof of what we say, how about you? I still say your friend is a lazy bum for collecting welfare. If he was truly disabled, he would collect SSI. SSI is Federal, not State. This means it wouldn't matter where he lived...so Oklahoma would have no involvement in him collecting the SSI payment. Your proof of what you say lies in your exhaulted staus of CNA. That means Certified Nursing Assistant, for those who were actually impressed. This means Lori is the assistant to the assistant to the Doctor. Great. Why worry about 4 years in College, and another 4 in Medical School, plus several more doing intern/residency, when a 6 month course at the Community College will suffice.

I'll continue to give it back just as I get it Lori. You have a Blessed Christmas.
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#311 Consumer Comment

To Vera

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

My comments were not directed at you! I do know the difference between Republic and Democracy, I learned that in grade school. I just haven't seen anywhere that democracy meant mob rule. So, I posted the meaning of the word from Websters, which I also know is not exactly the most reliable dictionary around. If I was wrong about the meaning of democracy, then I was wrong! It wouldn't be the first time,nor will it be the last-lol!!!

I also know that we do not live in a democracy! I just don't appreciate the rude attacks from a Mr. know-it-all who can't seem to post anything without a direct attack on the person they are responding to.

I truely hope you have a blessed holiday season!!!
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To Vera

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

My comments were not directed at you! I do know the difference between Republic and Democracy, I learned that in grade school. I just haven't seen anywhere that democracy meant mob rule. So, I posted the meaning of the word from Websters, which I also know is not exactly the most reliable dictionary around. If I was wrong about the meaning of democracy, then I was wrong! It wouldn't be the first time,nor will it be the last-lol!!!

I also know that we do not live in a democracy! I just don't appreciate the rude attacks from a Mr. know-it-all who can't seem to post anything without a direct attack on the person they are responding to.

I truely hope you have a blessed holiday season!!!
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To Vera

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

My comments were not directed at you! I do know the difference between Republic and Democracy, I learned that in grade school. I just haven't seen anywhere that democracy meant mob rule. So, I posted the meaning of the word from Websters, which I also know is not exactly the most reliable dictionary around. If I was wrong about the meaning of democracy, then I was wrong! It wouldn't be the first time,nor will it be the last-lol!!!

I also know that we do not live in a democracy! I just don't appreciate the rude attacks from a Mr. know-it-all who can't seem to post anything without a direct attack on the person they are responding to.

I truely hope you have a blessed holiday season!!!
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To Vera

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

My comments were not directed at you! I do know the difference between Republic and Democracy, I learned that in grade school. I just haven't seen anywhere that democracy meant mob rule. So, I posted the meaning of the word from Websters, which I also know is not exactly the most reliable dictionary around. If I was wrong about the meaning of democracy, then I was wrong! It wouldn't be the first time,nor will it be the last-lol!!!

I also know that we do not live in a democracy! I just don't appreciate the rude attacks from a Mr. know-it-all who can't seem to post anything without a direct attack on the person they are responding to.

I truely hope you have a blessed holiday season!!!
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#315 Consumer Comment

Bill Clinton is out of office already Amy

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"He's lied, murdered, spied on Americans, is demolishing the middle class, and the list goes on. Let's stop arguing about it and do something to start an impeachment process..."

Bill Clinton is no longer the President. Why do you still want to try and impeach him? Throw in the rape charges(Juanita Broderick and Kathleen Willey) and you have Clinton down pat.

Or are you referring to Ted Kennedy with the murder charge?

Just wondering.
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#316 Consumer Suggestion

Charles what are you talking about?

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

You claim that George Bush was aware and could have stopped 9/11?

What about the fact that Bill Clinton's administration was mad aware that the terrorist that led the 9/11 attack was in the US and did absolutely nothing about it. Due to orders from the military at that time no one in the Bush administration was aware of it.

Also, your comments about people being racist are completely uncalled for. That type of comment is no longer a matter of beiong Republican or Democrat. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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#317 Consumer Comment

To amy

AUTHOR: David - (U.S.A.)

Murdered? Lied? Destroying the middle class? Please provide proof. And please something other than the same old tired baseless accusations that are coming from the "critics" of the administration. George Bush will not be impeached because he has done nothing to warrant impeachment. He has, however, taken the necessary steps to provide safety and security for this country. Oh, and BTW, the Patriot act has been extended. I'll check back after Christmas. Merry Christmas to all!

(Even Charles from Phenix City.)
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#318 Consumer Comment

The hatred continues Tyler a typical republican

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

The hatred continues from the republican side I will not leave this country I will vote agaisnt republicans for them not to make americans any more poor then they already are & make their rich friends richer!!!!!. To all the other democrats just let the republicans keep up the hatred they will only lose the next election because of It because people will not vote for another republican like evil bush because bush is making americans more poor & making life more harder & diffuclt to live if bush is a true christian then he will not do this to americans bush has no mercy on the middle class & poor people working class people who has to get out their to work hard while the republicans live it up in their million dollar houses & $50,000 cars that they get to drive around while people are suffering on the streets & in homeless shealters because republicans do not give a "s**t how americans have to suffer. You do not have to have a million dollar house to live in bush is only for the rich & not for the poor or middle class working people this is the reason why republicans are so unpopular & not liked by americans because they are selfish greedy idiots who only think for themselves only & only care for themselves & has no mercy for the poor & middleclass working people!!!!!.
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#319 Consumer Comment

The People MUST take this country back .. it's long overdue!

AUTHOR: Amy - (U.S.A.)

He's lied, murdered, spied on Americans, is demolishing the middle class, and the list goes on. Let's stop arguing about it and do something to start an impeachment process! Call your congresspeople, write letters, make your voice heard. Take a stance to fight the Patriot Act, to get our brave troops home, to stop this irresponsible spending of taxpayers money in order to get the people of this administration even richer.

For those of you ignoring the facts of all of the injustices committed by this president, it's time to swallow your pride and admit this country is in very bad shape as a direct result of this administration.

It is time for the American people to wake up!

There are many great resources on the Internet to utilize to try and get this country back on track. Otherwise, we're all losers.
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#320 Consumer Suggestion

OK CHARLES YOUR A TYPICAL DEMOCRAT.

AUTHOR: Tyler - (U.S.A.)

NICE COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME. AS I SIT IN MY OFFICE AND LOOK OUT THE WINDOW, I CAN HONESTLY SAY I DID IT ALL MYSELF, UNLIKE YOU I PAID FOR MY OWN COLLEGE WENT ON AND GOT A GOOD JOB, NO GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS AND I RESPECT OUR PRESIDENT, A PRESIDENT IN WHICH CHARLES IS NOT WORTH A HAIR ON HIS CHEST. DEMOCRATS ARE ALL ABOUT RECIEVING HANDOUTS AND THINKING THE GOVERNMENT OWES YOU SOMETHING, BUT THEY DONT. STEVE YOU CAN CALL ME SCUM, AND GET A LIFE, BUT LAST I CHECKED I'M DOING PRETTY WELL FOR MYSELF, BUT HEY ITS YOUR OPINION, DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING, YOUR A DEMOCRAT AKA LAZYASS OR SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT. WELL ITS TOO BAD FOR YOU WHEN BUSH LEAVES AFTER HIS TWO TERMS, BILL FRIST WILL COME IN AND PICK UP WHERE BUSH LEFT OFF. AND HOPEFULLY BY THAT TIME, IMMIGRANTS AND PEOPLE ON WELFARE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE BECAUSE THEY DONT CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING (I.E PAY TAXES, WORK, HAVE CHILDREN ONLY IN MARRIAGE) WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE. WELL ANYWAY STEVE THIS COUNTRY AS A WHOLE ARENT AS DUMB AS YOU AND YOUR DEMOCRAT(BOTTOM FEEDERS) FRIENDS, THERE WILL BE A REPUBLICAN IN OFFICE FOR YEARS TO COME, AGAIN IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, PLEASE LEAVE.
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#321 Consumer Suggestion

OK CHARLES YOUR A TYPICAL DEMOCRAT.

AUTHOR: Tyler - (U.S.A.)

NICE COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME. AS I SIT IN MY OFFICE AND LOOK OUT THE WINDOW, I CAN HONESTLY SAY I DID IT ALL MYSELF, UNLIKE YOU I PAID FOR MY OWN COLLEGE WENT ON AND GOT A GOOD JOB, NO GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS AND I RESPECT OUR PRESIDENT, A PRESIDENT IN WHICH CHARLES IS NOT WORTH A HAIR ON HIS CHEST. DEMOCRATS ARE ALL ABOUT RECIEVING HANDOUTS AND THINKING THE GOVERNMENT OWES YOU SOMETHING, BUT THEY DONT. STEVE YOU CAN CALL ME SCUM, AND GET A LIFE, BUT LAST I CHECKED I'M DOING PRETTY WELL FOR MYSELF, BUT HEY ITS YOUR OPINION, DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING, YOUR A DEMOCRAT AKA LAZYASS OR SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT. WELL ITS TOO BAD FOR YOU WHEN BUSH LEAVES AFTER HIS TWO TERMS, BILL FRIST WILL COME IN AND PICK UP WHERE BUSH LEFT OFF. AND HOPEFULLY BY THAT TIME, IMMIGRANTS AND PEOPLE ON WELFARE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE BECAUSE THEY DONT CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING (I.E PAY TAXES, WORK, HAVE CHILDREN ONLY IN MARRIAGE) WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE. WELL ANYWAY STEVE THIS COUNTRY AS A WHOLE ARENT AS DUMB AS YOU AND YOUR DEMOCRAT(BOTTOM FEEDERS) FRIENDS, THERE WILL BE A REPUBLICAN IN OFFICE FOR YEARS TO COME, AGAIN IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, PLEASE LEAVE.
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#322 Consumer Suggestion

OK CHARLES YOUR A TYPICAL DEMOCRAT.

AUTHOR: Tyler - (U.S.A.)

NICE COMMENTS DIRECTED TOWARDS ME. AS I SIT IN MY OFFICE AND LOOK OUT THE WINDOW, I CAN HONESTLY SAY I DID IT ALL MYSELF, UNLIKE YOU I PAID FOR MY OWN COLLEGE WENT ON AND GOT A GOOD JOB, NO GOVERNMENT HANDOUTS AND I RESPECT OUR PRESIDENT, A PRESIDENT IN WHICH CHARLES IS NOT WORTH A HAIR ON HIS CHEST. DEMOCRATS ARE ALL ABOUT RECIEVING HANDOUTS AND THINKING THE GOVERNMENT OWES YOU SOMETHING, BUT THEY DONT. STEVE YOU CAN CALL ME SCUM, AND GET A LIFE, BUT LAST I CHECKED I'M DOING PRETTY WELL FOR MYSELF, BUT HEY ITS YOUR OPINION, DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING, YOUR A DEMOCRAT AKA LAZYASS OR SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT. WELL ITS TOO BAD FOR YOU WHEN BUSH LEAVES AFTER HIS TWO TERMS, BILL FRIST WILL COME IN AND PICK UP WHERE BUSH LEFT OFF. AND HOPEFULLY BY THAT TIME, IMMIGRANTS AND PEOPLE ON WELFARE WILL NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE BECAUSE THEY DONT CONTRIBUTE ANYTHING (I.E PAY TAXES, WORK, HAVE CHILDREN ONLY IN MARRIAGE) WHY SHOULD THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE. WELL ANYWAY STEVE THIS COUNTRY AS A WHOLE ARENT AS DUMB AS YOU AND YOUR DEMOCRAT(BOTTOM FEEDERS) FRIENDS, THERE WILL BE A REPUBLICAN IN OFFICE FOR YEARS TO COME, AGAIN IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, PLEASE LEAVE.
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#323 Consumer Comment

Dis-Miss isn't the typical....

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

...You see, when someone tries to be polite, all the narrow slots seem to take any corrections as a personal attack. I guess when Ann Coulter said you should never offer a compliment to a liberal, she wasn't kidding! Hehh, and here I thought it was only a joke.

Clearly, I'm educated enough to recognize debate from personal attack, but I digress...

I thought I was quite civil in my counter to you. After all, we are here for the purpose of debate, are we not? Who is to say that your presentation should be exclusive, and even though I may have directly addressed your post, my return post wasn't for merely your edification alone? But you're right, Lori...people with closed minds should have closed mouths. Yet here, you speak.

And while you may not have said "we live in a 'Democracy'.", you seemed to find it significant (It was bugging you for a while...remember?) to have gone through the trouble to seek and post a definition of the term. Should I ask forgiveness for having the temerity to question any Liberal's information, or am I to accept such mendacity with humble acquiescencegrateful to bask in the presence of such elites?

Don't hold your breath, Kid.

Apparently, if History was your favorite class, you must have been absent on the day they handed out the sheet of definitions where "Republic" and "Democracy" were defined. Or maybe, the teacher of your class didn't present it in slide format, to which you are accustomed? Either way, my return volley to your definition was merely a counterpoint, and meant as nothing more. I wasn't derisive at all. I thought a fellow Independent' would appreciate some clarification, but apparently, you've already begun the metamorphosis into the narrow-regions of Liberalvilleand I've caught you in the chrysalized stages of your transformation.
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#324 Consumer Comment

Makes you think! ..the 535 members of the United States Congress

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

I received this in my e-mail recently.

Subject: NBA of NFL?

36 have been accused of spousal abuse.
7 have been arrested for fraud.
19 have been accused of writing bad checks.
117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses.
3 have done time for assault.
71, repeat 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit.
8 have been arrested for shoplifting.
21 currently are defendants in law suits and
84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year.
Can you guess which organization this is?
Give up yet?
Scroll down, citizen!



It's the 535 members of the United States Congress!
The same group of Idiots that crank out hundreds of new laws each year to keep the rest of us in line!!
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#325 Consumer Comment

TO TYLER. Who pulled your string?!

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

If we were on here bashing Democrats, which I also have problems with some of those idiots as well, you would be all for it!

There are very few politicians that represent US, you know we the PEOPLE, now days. They are in it for the money or the perks and do very little for the people.

So get over yourself! We will not shut-up, freedom of speach buddy! If you don't like what I have to say tough!! No, I will not leave the country because you think we should. Treason? How is voicing your opinion treason?
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#326 Consumer Comment

If bush would have acted to prevent 9/11 then 9/11 would have never had happend in the first place

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Republicans should have been doing what they are doing know before 9/11 then mabye we would not have been attack but bush nor the republicans did not take any action. If republicans were taken the steps like they are doing know 9/11 would not have happend then mabye we would not have another war on our hands!!!!!. By the way bush is not king of the world which he is trying to be this is not england I will never call bush king nor president bush is not a king of this country if that starts like back in england were the rich ruled everything & the poor & middleclass people did not have nothing then we will throw the peace of scum bush out of office know if republicans start that up this country will not become england the rich taken everything away from the poor. We will not let the republicans take anything away from us like bush is trying to do to the poor & middleclass working people bush will be impeached for that this country will not be over powered by the rich to where the poor & middle class people will be livng on the strees which is what republicans want to happened to take away from the poor & give to the rich just like bush is trying to do!!!!! we will not let that happend!!!!!.
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#327 Consumer Comment

SHUT UP REPUBLICANS!!!!!!! TYLER YOU WHIT E PEICE OF RACIST GARBAGE ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO CAUSE ALL THIS HATRED!!!!!!! YOU,ER REALLY A LOW-LIFE

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Tyler we will not shut UP!!!!!, republicans need to shut up!!!!!!! we are tired of the consent attacks from the republican side & from people like you we will not be quiet nor will we shut up you need to look back & how the republicans bitched & complained about clinton for 8 years we are giving it back to republicans. We will dish it back out to you but its seems tyler cannot take it has much has he dishes it out!!

WE WILL NOT PUT UP WITH ANYMORE ABUSE!!!!!!!!! WHICH WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH FOR THE LAST 5 YEARS FROM BUSH SUPPORTERS THEY ARE THE REAL TRAITORS!!!!!!

YOU'ER NOTHING BUT AN a*s TYLER SO GET A LIFE & GROW-UP PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE REALLY THE LOW-LIVES IN AMERICA THIS IS THE TYPE "s**t" WHY PEOPLE HATE REPUBLICANS I DO NOT CARE HOW ANGRY YOU ARE WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH JUST LIKE YOU REPUBLICAN IDIOTS!!!!!.

SO YOU CAN PISS OFF TYLER & THE REST OF THE REPUBLICAN ASSHOLES YOU WILL BE IGNORED FROM HERE ON OUT IF PEOPLE DECIDE TO BE UGLY LIKE TYLER ON THIS FORUM!!!!!.
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#328 Consumer Comment

Another Profound Pro-Bush Statement

AUTHOR: Jon - (U.S.A.)

Tyler, your right! Bush is in office for a second term because of all the people that have just "half a brain".

I'm sorry but you really set yourself up for that one(:<).
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#329 Consumer Comment

Yadda, yadda, yadda

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Don't you love how some people, who shall remain name less; who also seem to know everything about everything, have to take whatever is posted on here so seriously? I was just having a little fun so lighten up!!!

TO STEVE!
I have a question for you. Who was your favorite teacher, any grade, and why?
My favorite teacher was Miss West, World History, junior year. History has always one of my favorite subjects. Miss West had been to every country we were learning about and had taken pictures. She had the pictures made into slides so, while we were learning about different countries, we also saw a slide show. It made the class fun. Even students who hated history loved her class. I believe everyone got an A in her class because it's so much easier to learn when you can see what you are learning about.

PEOPLE WITH CLOSED MINDS, SHOULD HAVE CLOSED MOUTHS!

ALMOST FORGOT

I NEVER said we live in a democracy did I. If you think I did, read it again!
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#330 Consumer Comment

Yadda, yadda, yadda

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Don't you love how some people, who shall remain name less; who also seem to know everything about everything, have to take whatever is posted on here so seriously? I was just having a little fun so lighten up!!!

TO STEVE!
I have a question for you. Who was your favorite teacher, any grade, and why?
My favorite teacher was Miss West, World History, junior year. History has always one of my favorite subjects. Miss West had been to every country we were learning about and had taken pictures. She had the pictures made into slides so, while we were learning about different countries, we also saw a slide show. It made the class fun. Even students who hated history loved her class. I believe everyone got an A in her class because it's so much easier to learn when you can see what you are learning about.

PEOPLE WITH CLOSED MINDS, SHOULD HAVE CLOSED MOUTHS!

ALMOST FORGOT

I NEVER said we live in a democracy did I. If you think I did, read it again!
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Yadda, yadda, yadda

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

Don't you love how some people, who shall remain name less; who also seem to know everything about everything, have to take whatever is posted on here so seriously? I was just having a little fun so lighten up!!!

TO STEVE!
I have a question for you. Who was your favorite teacher, any grade, and why?
My favorite teacher was Miss West, World History, junior year. History has always one of my favorite subjects. Miss West had been to every country we were learning about and had taken pictures. She had the pictures made into slides so, while we were learning about different countries, we also saw a slide show. It made the class fun. Even students who hated history loved her class. I believe everyone got an A in her class because it's so much easier to learn when you can see what you are learning about.

PEOPLE WITH CLOSED MINDS, SHOULD HAVE CLOSED MOUTHS!

ALMOST FORGOT

I NEVER said we live in a democracy did I. If you think I did, read it again!
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#332 Consumer Comment

SHUT UP YOU LIBERALS!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Tyler - (U.S.A.)

GEORGE W. BUSH WHEN EVERYTHING IS SAID AND DONE WILL GO DOWN AS ONE OF THE BETTER PRESIDENTS OF ALL TIME. WAR IS NEVER A POPULAR ISSUE, BUT WHAT WE ARE DOING IN IRAQ IS VERY NECESSARY TO AVOID ANY FURTHER TERROR THREAT WE MAY HAVE. PRESIDENT BUSH IS PROTECTING ALL AMERICANS BY TAKING CARE OF A PROBLEM BEFORE IT STARTS, IRAQ HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR US, AND HE IS JUST TAKING CARE OF A PROBLEM THAT MAY ESCALATE. AND WHO THE HELL ARE ANY OF YOU TO CALL FOR IMPEACHMENT. GEORGE W IS IN HIS SECOND TERM OF THE PRESIDENCY BECAUSE THE SMART PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY MADE SURE HE STAYS, TO REFORM WELFARE, STOP HANDOUTS FOR LAZY ASSES AND GET THIS COUNTRY BACK ON TRACK. THE PEOPLE AGAINST HIM ARE THE SCUM OF THE EARTH,WHO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT TAKES TO BE PRESIDENT. 2 TERMS MEAN THE MAJORITY OF AMERICA THINK PRETTY HIGHLY OF HIM, REGUARDLESS OF APPROVAL RATINGS WHICH ARE ALWAYS LOW IN WAR TIMES FOR ANY PRESIDENTS. TOO BAD FOR ALL YOU SCUM, THAT WE CANT SEE THIS COUNTRY GO TO HELL IF GORE OR KERRY WERE RUNNING THE SHOW, BUT THANK GOD THERE ARE ENOUGH AMERICANS WITH HALF A BRAIN THAT HAVE KEPT HIM IN OFFICE WHERE HE BELONGS. IF YOU ARE SO DISGUSTED WITH HIM, LEAVE THE d**n COUNTRY BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT WELCOME. YOU ARE COMMITING TREASON BY INSULTING YOUR KING WHICH IS AND WILL BE FOR 3 MORE YEARS GEORGE W. BUSH!!!
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#333 Consumer Comment

Just my two cents

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Lori...I commend your straightforward provision of your information, but I feel compelled to respond in kind. There are some here that could use this presentation of your info as a very good template, when they seek to present their opinion.

Using a similar standard to your own, I present my information, and opinion, thus:

Your presentation of information on a democracy...
1 a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.

Precisely. Each vote on each issue is put to the People as a whole.
In America, we have Government Officials, voted in by the People, used as representatives.

Majority Rule, Mob Rule What's the difference? If you're at a Sporting event at some point, and a fight breaks outthen spreadsnext thing you know, you have a riot. Do you think people there wanted to get into a fight, so that's why they went to the game? I don't remember buying tickets to get loose teeth or get a black eye when I go see the GameI go to root for the team! :)

And it starts innocently enough. Someone says something, another takes it too personally, and swings. In bringing back the hand to strike, he knocks the drink of another person into his or her facehe or she gets mad, strikes back, then the people nearby get involved, and it continues to escalate. Many folks who go to a game can get pretty amped up.

2: a political unit that has a democratic government.

Political Unit, likea representative of the Majority.

3 captilazed: the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the U.S.

Meaning, if you were to capitalize the D in democratic, you'd get the proper noun used to identify those in the Democratic National Committee or the Democratic Party, whose beliefs (at one time) were good and solid, and once upon a time, had the People (not just the money that represents what they think we want)as its core interest. Unhappily, terms like Liberal and Democrat, Conservative and Republicans can be as offensive as an insult, nowadaysthey tend to personify the more negative aspects one Party sees in the Other.

4: the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority.

And the People of America are not given that authority directly, as this suggests. Our representativescalled so, because they are expected to Represent the majority---are the ones who vote on the thousands of issues we never get to see, but are summed up (and I use the term loosely!) in massive documents such as the Patriot Act, the Tax Code, and any Highway bill or New City Construct that comes down the pike.

A good example, would be the innumerable dams, tech centers, parks, institutes, industrial parks and such in West Virginiaall named after Robert C. Byrd. How many West Virginians do you think were headed in that voting process? Just one: Robert C. Byrd and his hog calls for more pork. (In 2001, Byrd got $232 Million for W.Va. info from: Citizens Against Government Waste)

Are you betting that the people, in their entirety, are aware that a statue of a politician cannot be erected unless he's (or she's, to be fair) been dead for no less than fifty years? Yet there's a statue of Robert C. Byrd in the state capitol. Isn't our b'lov'd Klansman (what was it? A Kleagle?) still sucking air?

Can you honestly tell me with a straight face, that we were all given the right to pass or veto our tax codes? All the hundreds of pages of them?
What Majority votes on wage increases for those that work in Government? Tell mewho's the group of smartasses that voted on the retirement and health benefits these Government officials get, and didn't have the common decency to vote em in for the rest of us working stiffs?

For that matterif all the People get to vote on EVERYthing, then why do we even need Representatives, and why do the Majority think Politicians are crooked? Why are there no statues of us?

5: the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges
Sorrythat one made me laugh. How long has there been a Kennedy in the White House..? ROFLMAO

But yeah, Merriam-Webster Online means to tell you, not like a king or monarch, or one of Royal/Noble blood.

(Still laughing about the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges bit.)

Source Merriam-Webster Online.

And I don't refute your sourceI use that same and many others, myself. Truthfully, I have made the same mistake in assuming America to be a Democracy, in other argumentsand was corrected; a little research, and I realized that I was indeed in err by calling America such, so I didn't refute the correction (And it's hard not to say that anymore! LOL). Our right to vote is democratic, but ours is a Republic, in that we have an elected official at each level: City, State, and Federal.

By definition (using your same source) a Republic is

1.) a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president.

2.) a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government.

B: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.

(See there, supreme power resides in a body of citizens? Our Congressmen and Women, and other Representatives.)

3): a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government.

B: a usually specified republican government of a political unit {the French Fourth Republic}.

The democracy that's developing in Iraq refers mainly to the People's new voting rights, rather than specifying the type of government they are trying to set up over there. Just my opinion, mind you. But who knowsonly time will tell what lies ahead for the Iraqi people.


--Oh, and before I forget.Charleslast I checked, trash comes in all sorts of colors. Why don't you leave the white racist garbage nonsense someplace else, please? You are the only person here pulling the race card, and it's pretty lame. While I know this tiny snippet of a request will most likely send you reeling and spitting into a fresh barrage of attacks against me---and I've noticed that you make it a point to mention me with some impressive frequency---rest assured that I won't even really bother to actually read what ever you write next. I just skim past yours, and white racist garbage, plus names, appears in several of them. Honestly, it does my heart good to see that I can leave such a lasting impression with you. ;)

Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year! :D
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Just my two cents

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Lori...I commend your straightforward provision of your information, but I feel compelled to respond in kind. There are some here that could use this presentation of your info as a very good template, when they seek to present their opinion.

Using a similar standard to your own, I present my information, and opinion, thus:

Your presentation of information on a democracy...
1 a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.

Precisely. Each vote on each issue is put to the People as a whole.
In America, we have Government Officials, voted in by the People, used as representatives.

Majority Rule, Mob Rule What's the difference? If you're at a Sporting event at some point, and a fight breaks outthen spreadsnext thing you know, you have a riot. Do you think people there wanted to get into a fight, so that's why they went to the game? I don't remember buying tickets to get loose teeth or get a black eye when I go see the GameI go to root for the team! :)

And it starts innocently enough. Someone says something, another takes it too personally, and swings. In bringing back the hand to strike, he knocks the drink of another person into his or her facehe or she gets mad, strikes back, then the people nearby get involved, and it continues to escalate. Many folks who go to a game can get pretty amped up.

2: a political unit that has a democratic government.

Political Unit, likea representative of the Majority.

3 captilazed: the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the U.S.

Meaning, if you were to capitalize the D in democratic, you'd get the proper noun used to identify those in the Democratic National Committee or the Democratic Party, whose beliefs (at one time) were good and solid, and once upon a time, had the People (not just the money that represents what they think we want)as its core interest. Unhappily, terms like Liberal and Democrat, Conservative and Republicans can be as offensive as an insult, nowadaysthey tend to personify the more negative aspects one Party sees in the Other.

4: the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority.

And the People of America are not given that authority directly, as this suggests. Our representativescalled so, because they are expected to Represent the majority---are the ones who vote on the thousands of issues we never get to see, but are summed up (and I use the term loosely!) in massive documents such as the Patriot Act, the Tax Code, and any Highway bill or New City Construct that comes down the pike.

A good example, would be the innumerable dams, tech centers, parks, institutes, industrial parks and such in West Virginiaall named after Robert C. Byrd. How many West Virginians do you think were headed in that voting process? Just one: Robert C. Byrd and his hog calls for more pork. (In 2001, Byrd got $232 Million for W.Va. info from: Citizens Against Government Waste)

Are you betting that the people, in their entirety, are aware that a statue of a politician cannot be erected unless he's (or she's, to be fair) been dead for no less than fifty years? Yet there's a statue of Robert C. Byrd in the state capitol. Isn't our b'lov'd Klansman (what was it? A Kleagle?) still sucking air?

Can you honestly tell me with a straight face, that we were all given the right to pass or veto our tax codes? All the hundreds of pages of them?
What Majority votes on wage increases for those that work in Government? Tell mewho's the group of smartasses that voted on the retirement and health benefits these Government officials get, and didn't have the common decency to vote em in for the rest of us working stiffs?

For that matterif all the People get to vote on EVERYthing, then why do we even need Representatives, and why do the Majority think Politicians are crooked? Why are there no statues of us?

5: the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges
Sorrythat one made me laugh. How long has there been a Kennedy in the White House..? ROFLMAO

But yeah, Merriam-Webster Online means to tell you, not like a king or monarch, or one of Royal/Noble blood.

(Still laughing about the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges bit.)

Source Merriam-Webster Online.

And I don't refute your sourceI use that same and many others, myself. Truthfully, I have made the same mistake in assuming America to be a Democracy, in other argumentsand was corrected; a little research, and I realized that I was indeed in err by calling America such, so I didn't refute the correction (And it's hard not to say that anymore! LOL). Our right to vote is democratic, but ours is a Republic, in that we have an elected official at each level: City, State, and Federal.

By definition (using your same source) a Republic is

1.) a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president.

2.) a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government.

B: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.

(See there, supreme power resides in a body of citizens? Our Congressmen and Women, and other Representatives.)

3): a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government.

B: a usually specified republican government of a political unit {the French Fourth Republic}.

The democracy that's developing in Iraq refers mainly to the People's new voting rights, rather than specifying the type of government they are trying to set up over there. Just my opinion, mind you. But who knowsonly time will tell what lies ahead for the Iraqi people.


--Oh, and before I forget.Charleslast I checked, trash comes in all sorts of colors. Why don't you leave the white racist garbage nonsense someplace else, please? You are the only person here pulling the race card, and it's pretty lame. While I know this tiny snippet of a request will most likely send you reeling and spitting into a fresh barrage of attacks against me---and I've noticed that you make it a point to mention me with some impressive frequency---rest assured that I won't even really bother to actually read what ever you write next. I just skim past yours, and white racist garbage, plus names, appears in several of them. Honestly, it does my heart good to see that I can leave such a lasting impression with you. ;)

Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year! :D
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Just my two cents

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Lori...I commend your straightforward provision of your information, but I feel compelled to respond in kind. There are some here that could use this presentation of your info as a very good template, when they seek to present their opinion.

Using a similar standard to your own, I present my information, and opinion, thus:

Your presentation of information on a democracy...
1 a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.

Precisely. Each vote on each issue is put to the People as a whole.
In America, we have Government Officials, voted in by the People, used as representatives.

Majority Rule, Mob Rule What's the difference? If you're at a Sporting event at some point, and a fight breaks outthen spreadsnext thing you know, you have a riot. Do you think people there wanted to get into a fight, so that's why they went to the game? I don't remember buying tickets to get loose teeth or get a black eye when I go see the GameI go to root for the team! :)

And it starts innocently enough. Someone says something, another takes it too personally, and swings. In bringing back the hand to strike, he knocks the drink of another person into his or her facehe or she gets mad, strikes back, then the people nearby get involved, and it continues to escalate. Many folks who go to a game can get pretty amped up.

2: a political unit that has a democratic government.

Political Unit, likea representative of the Majority.

3 captilazed: the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the U.S.

Meaning, if you were to capitalize the D in democratic, you'd get the proper noun used to identify those in the Democratic National Committee or the Democratic Party, whose beliefs (at one time) were good and solid, and once upon a time, had the People (not just the money that represents what they think we want)as its core interest. Unhappily, terms like Liberal and Democrat, Conservative and Republicans can be as offensive as an insult, nowadaysthey tend to personify the more negative aspects one Party sees in the Other.

4: the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority.

And the People of America are not given that authority directly, as this suggests. Our representativescalled so, because they are expected to Represent the majority---are the ones who vote on the thousands of issues we never get to see, but are summed up (and I use the term loosely!) in massive documents such as the Patriot Act, the Tax Code, and any Highway bill or New City Construct that comes down the pike.

A good example, would be the innumerable dams, tech centers, parks, institutes, industrial parks and such in West Virginiaall named after Robert C. Byrd. How many West Virginians do you think were headed in that voting process? Just one: Robert C. Byrd and his hog calls for more pork. (In 2001, Byrd got $232 Million for W.Va. info from: Citizens Against Government Waste)

Are you betting that the people, in their entirety, are aware that a statue of a politician cannot be erected unless he's (or she's, to be fair) been dead for no less than fifty years? Yet there's a statue of Robert C. Byrd in the state capitol. Isn't our b'lov'd Klansman (what was it? A Kleagle?) still sucking air?

Can you honestly tell me with a straight face, that we were all given the right to pass or veto our tax codes? All the hundreds of pages of them?
What Majority votes on wage increases for those that work in Government? Tell mewho's the group of smartasses that voted on the retirement and health benefits these Government officials get, and didn't have the common decency to vote em in for the rest of us working stiffs?

For that matterif all the People get to vote on EVERYthing, then why do we even need Representatives, and why do the Majority think Politicians are crooked? Why are there no statues of us?

5: the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges
Sorrythat one made me laugh. How long has there been a Kennedy in the White House..? ROFLMAO

But yeah, Merriam-Webster Online means to tell you, not like a king or monarch, or one of Royal/Noble blood.

(Still laughing about the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges bit.)

Source Merriam-Webster Online.

And I don't refute your sourceI use that same and many others, myself. Truthfully, I have made the same mistake in assuming America to be a Democracy, in other argumentsand was corrected; a little research, and I realized that I was indeed in err by calling America such, so I didn't refute the correction (And it's hard not to say that anymore! LOL). Our right to vote is democratic, but ours is a Republic, in that we have an elected official at each level: City, State, and Federal.

By definition (using your same source) a Republic is

1.) a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president.

2.) a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government.

B: a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law.

(See there, supreme power resides in a body of citizens? Our Congressmen and Women, and other Representatives.)

3): a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government.

B: a usually specified republican government of a political unit {the French Fourth Republic}.

The democracy that's developing in Iraq refers mainly to the People's new voting rights, rather than specifying the type of government they are trying to set up over there. Just my opinion, mind you. But who knowsonly time will tell what lies ahead for the Iraqi people.


--Oh, and before I forget.Charleslast I checked, trash comes in all sorts of colors. Why don't you leave the white racist garbage nonsense someplace else, please? You are the only person here pulling the race card, and it's pretty lame. While I know this tiny snippet of a request will most likely send you reeling and spitting into a fresh barrage of attacks against me---and I've noticed that you make it a point to mention me with some impressive frequency---rest assured that I won't even really bother to actually read what ever you write next. I just skim past yours, and white racist garbage, plus names, appears in several of them. Honestly, it does my heart good to see that I can leave such a lasting impression with you. ;)

Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year! :D
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The original meaning of the word has been corrupted over the yaers for "political correctness"...or just because so many went to Government Schools

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Here is the ACTUAL meaning of the word. We do NOT live in a Democracy. If we did, the word would be mentioned at least once in anything our Government is based on.

Many of you have seen the reprint of this document. If you have, it's worth reading again. If you have not, it is worth reading, studying, and reciting to your friends, family, and neighbors. It is copied from Training Manual No. 2000-25 that was published by the then War Department, Washington, D.C., November 30, 1928.

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Official Definition of DEMOCRACY

NOTE

Here are four (4) facsimile section reproductions taken from a 156 page book officially compiled and issued by the U.S. War Department, November 30,1928, setting forth exact and truthful definitions of a Democracy and of a Republic, explaining the difference between both. These definitions were published by the authority of the United States Government and must be accepted as authentic in any court of proper jurisdiction. These precise and scholarly definitions of a Democracy and a Republic were carefully considered as a proper guide for U.S. soldiers and U.S. citizens by the Chief of Staff of the United States Army. Such definition stake precedence over any "definition" that may be found in the present commercial dictionaries which have suffered periodical "modification" to please "the powers in office. Shortly after the "bank holiday" in the thirties, hush-hush orders from the White House suddenly demanded that all copies of this book be withdrawn from the Government Printing Office and the Army posts, to be suppressed and destroyed without explanation. This was the beginning of the complete red control of the Government from within, not from without.
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Prepared under the direction of the Chief of Staff.

CITIZENSHIP

This manual supersedes Manual of Citizenship Training The use of the publication "The Constitution of the United States," by Harry Atwood, is by permission and courtesy of the author.

CITIZENSHIP Democracy:

A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is communistic--negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether is be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. Results in demogogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy

CITIZENSHIP Republic:

Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress. Is the "standard form" of government throughout the world. A republic is a form of government under a constitution which provides for the election of

(1) an executive and (2) a legislative body, who working together in a representative capacity, have all the power of appointment, all power of legislation, all power to raise revenue and appropriate expenditures, and are required to create (3) a judiciary to pass upon the justice and legality of their government acts and to recognize (4) certain inherent individual rights.

Take away any one or more of those four elements and you are drifting into autocracy. Add one or more to those four elements and you are drifting into democracy.

Atwood. Superior to all others.--Autocracy declares the divine right of kings; its authority can not be questioned; its powers are arbitrarily or unjustly administered. Democracy is the "direct" rule of the people and has been repeatedly tried without success. Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the strength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They "made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy * * * and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."

"By order of the Secretary of War: C.P. Summerall, Major General, Chief of Staff. Official: Lutz Wahl, Major General, The Adjutant General.


WHY DEMOCRACIES FAIL

A Democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of Government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largess out of the public treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that Democracy always collapses over a loose fiscal policy, always to be followed by a Dictatorship.(Written by Professor Alexander Fraser Tytler, nearly two centuries ago while our thirteen original states were still colonies of Great Britain. At the time he was writing of the decline and fall of the Athenian Republic over two thousand years before.

"Did I say "republic?" By God, yes, I said "republic!" Long live the glorious republic of the United States of America. d**n democracy. It is a fraudulent term used, often by ignorant persons but no less often by intellectual fakers, to describe an infamous mixture of socialism, miscegenation, graft, confiscation of property and denial of personal rights to individuals whose virtuous principles make them offensive."

And then, from the Great One himself:

"This idea that government was beholden to the people, that it had no other source of power is still the newest, most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves."

Ronald Reagan's Speech at the 1964 National Convention: A Time for Choosing

Again, we do NOT live in a Democracy. Get over it. Say the Pledge of Allegiance. It does not say "and to the Democracy for which it stands".

And finally, this bit of brilliance from TJ himself: "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."- Thomas Jefferson.

Stop using a Dictionary that includes the word "ain't" and "ebonics". The word is of Greek origin, and translated directly means "rule of the people'...mob rule.
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Hello Again from the one who started it all!

AUTHOR: Stephen - (U.S.A.)

Democrats...Republicans...Right...Left...You're Wrong...I'm Right...Argue...Argue...Argue...

It has been a while since I looked at my thread simply because so much of the input now is comprised of defending remarks and mudslinging. If I would take the fat out of the postings that came before this one and get down to the meat and potatoes issues, this thread would be about a 10th of the size it currently is, simply because too many people take the comments of others much too personally and make comments that are much too personal and attacking for this type of venue.

The fact of the matter is simple. This is a great venue for discussion of the important issues that face the American Public every day, but the more people have to be on the attack and defense, the less useful information gets put out.

I discuss politics with my fellow colleagues on a regular basis, and we have never gotten into the fighting and utter disregard for others that has been going on within this thread.

To prove a point, I pose a challenge to each of you. I want you all to ask me one question, or more if you wish, and I will try to answer all of the questions I can in a timely manner. The questions can be about anything, and there is a catch. I want you to not only answer your question, but supply your own answer to the question as if you were being asked yourself. That gives me a question to reply to, and an idea of where you stand on the issue you are inquiring about.

When I reply, I will use no strong language, and I will not downgrade your views in any way. I will simply state my opinions in a way that will result in all parties gaining insight without arguing. That is the way discussion should work.

So give me your best political shots and I will stand up to all of you in the way a debater should. Tell me after this is all over what you think about the threads I post in comparison to the mudslinging threads everyone else is posting.

Steve from Sterling
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AUTHOR: Stephen - (U.S.A.)

Democrats...Republicans...Right...Left...You're Wrong...I'm Right...Argue...Argue...Argue...

It has been a while since I looked at my thread simply because so much of the input now is comprised of defending remarks and mudslinging. If I would take the fat out of the postings that came before this one and get down to the meat and potatoes issues, this thread would be about a 10th of the size it currently is, simply because too many people take the comments of others much too personally and make comments that are much too personal and attacking for this type of venue.

The fact of the matter is simple. This is a great venue for discussion of the important issues that face the American Public every day, but the more people have to be on the attack and defense, the less useful information gets put out.

I discuss politics with my fellow colleagues on a regular basis, and we have never gotten into the fighting and utter disregard for others that has been going on within this thread.

To prove a point, I pose a challenge to each of you. I want you all to ask me one question, or more if you wish, and I will try to answer all of the questions I can in a timely manner. The questions can be about anything, and there is a catch. I want you to not only answer your question, but supply your own answer to the question as if you were being asked yourself. That gives me a question to reply to, and an idea of where you stand on the issue you are inquiring about.

When I reply, I will use no strong language, and I will not downgrade your views in any way. I will simply state my opinions in a way that will result in all parties gaining insight without arguing. That is the way discussion should work.

So give me your best political shots and I will stand up to all of you in the way a debater should. Tell me after this is all over what you think about the threads I post in comparison to the mudslinging threads everyone else is posting.

Steve from Sterling
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AUTHOR: Stephen - (U.S.A.)

Democrats...Republicans...Right...Left...You're Wrong...I'm Right...Argue...Argue...Argue...

It has been a while since I looked at my thread simply because so much of the input now is comprised of defending remarks and mudslinging. If I would take the fat out of the postings that came before this one and get down to the meat and potatoes issues, this thread would be about a 10th of the size it currently is, simply because too many people take the comments of others much too personally and make comments that are much too personal and attacking for this type of venue.

The fact of the matter is simple. This is a great venue for discussion of the important issues that face the American Public every day, but the more people have to be on the attack and defense, the less useful information gets put out.

I discuss politics with my fellow colleagues on a regular basis, and we have never gotten into the fighting and utter disregard for others that has been going on within this thread.

To prove a point, I pose a challenge to each of you. I want you all to ask me one question, or more if you wish, and I will try to answer all of the questions I can in a timely manner. The questions can be about anything, and there is a catch. I want you to not only answer your question, but supply your own answer to the question as if you were being asked yourself. That gives me a question to reply to, and an idea of where you stand on the issue you are inquiring about.

When I reply, I will use no strong language, and I will not downgrade your views in any way. I will simply state my opinions in a way that will result in all parties gaining insight without arguing. That is the way discussion should work.

So give me your best political shots and I will stand up to all of you in the way a debater should. Tell me after this is all over what you think about the threads I post in comparison to the mudslinging threads everyone else is posting.

Steve from Sterling
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AUTHOR: Stephen - (U.S.A.)

Democrats...Republicans...Right...Left...You're Wrong...I'm Right...Argue...Argue...Argue...

It has been a while since I looked at my thread simply because so much of the input now is comprised of defending remarks and mudslinging. If I would take the fat out of the postings that came before this one and get down to the meat and potatoes issues, this thread would be about a 10th of the size it currently is, simply because too many people take the comments of others much too personally and make comments that are much too personal and attacking for this type of venue.

The fact of the matter is simple. This is a great venue for discussion of the important issues that face the American Public every day, but the more people have to be on the attack and defense, the less useful information gets put out.

I discuss politics with my fellow colleagues on a regular basis, and we have never gotten into the fighting and utter disregard for others that has been going on within this thread.

To prove a point, I pose a challenge to each of you. I want you all to ask me one question, or more if you wish, and I will try to answer all of the questions I can in a timely manner. The questions can be about anything, and there is a catch. I want you to not only answer your question, but supply your own answer to the question as if you were being asked yourself. That gives me a question to reply to, and an idea of where you stand on the issue you are inquiring about.

When I reply, I will use no strong language, and I will not downgrade your views in any way. I will simply state my opinions in a way that will result in all parties gaining insight without arguing. That is the way discussion should work.

So give me your best political shots and I will stand up to all of you in the way a debater should. Tell me after this is all over what you think about the threads I post in comparison to the mudslinging threads everyone else is posting.

Steve from Sterling
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By-the-way!!!

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

democracy doesn't mean "mob rule", it actually means:

1 a: government by the people; especially: rule of the majority b: a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections.

2: a political unit that has a democratic government.

3 captilazed: the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the U.S.

4: the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority.

5: the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges

Source Merriam-Webster Online

That's been bugging me for awhile!!!
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#342 Consumer Comment

Patrick i will not let you get the satisfaction from thinking you can insult me to keep me quit ignore me I don't really care

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Patrick I will not give you the satisfaction that you think you have gotten me upset you can ignore me all you feel like it I really do not care If you think I have insulted robert seems like he & everybody else thinks they can abuse everybody & insult everybody on the democrat party. Patrick I really don't care what you think about what I had to say about robert republicans always love to bad mouth democrats & calls us names but we are not allowed to say anything back republicans will be treated like "s**t" from hear on out & will always be treated like "s**t" so you & the rest of the racist white garbage assholes can "PISS OFF" seems like robert likes to insult people on our side but cannot take it if anyone attacks him back excepts whine & complain about it like vera & david. Seems like the republican side likes to insult our party but cannot take it if we do the same back to them if we get attack we will attack ya'll back. People can like & love bush for all i care they are the stupid ones to belive his lies not me!!!!! bush is a great manipulator just like reagan bush is a class a manipulator. Bush thinks all ameircans are stupid & they are if they are taken in by his lies republicans are class a liars. I will ignore any rude comments from anybody on this website I will not let anybody think they have gotten me upset by their insults or by their garbage
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GOODBYE CIVIL RIGHTS!!!

AUTHOR: Lori - (U.S.A.)

All you Bush supporters can rave about this idiot all you want, he has broken the law and needs to be impeached NOW!!!!!

By having the NAS eavesdrop on Americans without a signed court order, which was ruled against by the Supreme Court during the Nixon era (You all remember Tricky d**k don't you? Another fine Republican!), he is in direct violation of the fourth amendmant.

He claims he acted well within his constitutional rights and certain statutes. But won't say which statutes. If he had actual proof that these people had ties to terrorists getting a court order would have been no problem. Fellow Republicans don't agree with his actions i.e. Arlen Spector.

Then he has the balls to get mad at the press for leaking this to the public because of it being a matter of "national security". I say he was mad because he got busted!!!

King George strikes again!! If he lasts for the next two years, hold on to your hats. This is only the beginning!!!
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I will ignore any rude comments anyone has to say to me

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Patrick regardless if you do not like what I said to robert I do not care! For know on I will just ignore these rude people on this website regardless If you thought I was rude or abusive toward robert I don't really care about anyone on this website they can dish out abuse to other people but they can take it when other people attack just complain about it like how you are doing patrick.
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Favorite President? This is easy for me.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

#3- Herbert Hoover. He is the last one who understood the concept of Seperation of Powers. He knew charity was best administered at the local level. He also understood the Federal Government cannot properly handle problems at the local level. For the record, the Depression was world-wide and a direct result of, among other things, the Versailles Treaty. The US was among the last to be hit by the Depression. WW2 brought us out of it.

#2- Richard Nixon. Despite his shortcomings, he was a staunch Anti-Communist, and did everything he promised he would. He pulled our troops out of Vietnam(after they won the war) and played hardball with OPEC. His wage and price controls were a failure, but at least he was trying to stem the tide of inflation. Above all else, he opened trade relations with China. Adding over 1 Billion new customers to our economy is never a bad thing. It was this trade agreement that eventually got rid of the Maoists, and brought economic reformers into power there. Capitalism is but a stones' throw away for the Chinese now. And it is all because of Nixon. For those of you who wish to argue this point, STOP shopping at WalMArt.

#1- Ronald Reagan. This is a no-brainer. His tough stand against the Soviets brought about their demise. Being in the military during his Presidency was almost magical. Our troops were the envy of the world, as was our entire military force. Nobody messed with us twice back then...ask Qadaffi. His economic plans brought us the most amazing economy in history. More millionaires were created than at any other time. All classes had their incomes increase during the 80's. The defecits were the result of the Democrats spending faster than the money could be raked in. Mortgage interest rates went from 21% to below 9%. All tax rates were cut, which as it always does, allowed people to work more and keep more. This also allows the Government to collect more, and it works every time it's tried. Even JFK did it. Chrysler and Harley Davidson both came out of bankruptcy long before their loans were due. Amazing times those 80's.

There is my top 3. And I am proud of all of them.
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AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

Charles,

I am not denying you your right to free speech. What I have pointed out was the fact that your first post was abusive, and then in later posts you were whining about being abused by the other posters here. A hypocrite if I have ever seen one.

And let me clue you in about me. I am a 6 year veteran of the US Air Force, I have my campaign ribbon from Desert Storm, I love my country, and I support my government in the war against terrorism. Now, while I don't fully agree with all of the reasons given for going to war again in Iraq, I am happy that Saddam is now out of power, and the Iraqi people now have the freedom to elect their own goverment.

I will ignore any further diarrhea of the mouth from you.
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AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

Charles,

I am not denying you your right to free speech. What I have pointed out was the fact that your first post was abusive, and then in later posts you were whining about being abused by the other posters here. A hypocrite if I have ever seen one.

And let me clue you in about me. I am a 6 year veteran of the US Air Force, I have my campaign ribbon from Desert Storm, I love my country, and I support my government in the war against terrorism. Now, while I don't fully agree with all of the reasons given for going to war again in Iraq, I am happy that Saddam is now out of power, and the Iraqi people now have the freedom to elect their own goverment.

I will ignore any further diarrhea of the mouth from you.
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AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

Charles,

I am not denying you your right to free speech. What I have pointed out was the fact that your first post was abusive, and then in later posts you were whining about being abused by the other posters here. A hypocrite if I have ever seen one.

And let me clue you in about me. I am a 6 year veteran of the US Air Force, I have my campaign ribbon from Desert Storm, I love my country, and I support my government in the war against terrorism. Now, while I don't fully agree with all of the reasons given for going to war again in Iraq, I am happy that Saddam is now out of power, and the Iraqi people now have the freedom to elect their own goverment.

I will ignore any further diarrhea of the mouth from you.
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