• Report: #154773

Complaint Review: George W. Bush

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  • Submitted: Tue, August 23, 2005
  • Updated: Mon, July 28, 2014

  • Reported By:Tupper Lake New York
George W. Bush
Washington Avenue Nationwide U.S.A.

George W. Bush ripoff Bush is a repulsive president who lied to invade a sovereign nation for OIL and hikes the gas prices for Americans! Washington District of Columbia

*Consumer Comment: 'OIL'RAQ...

*Consumer Comment: Kentucky voted for mccain

*Consumer Comment: Kentucky voted for mccain

*Consumer Comment: Kentucky voted for mccain

*Consumer Comment: Kentucky voted for mccain

*Consumer Comment: Get over it

*Consumer Comment: I see no mature adults on this site

*Consumer Comment: Why xdo you keep pretending to know what you are talking about? Leave this type of discussion for the adults deadbeat.

*Consumer Comment: Bush promised the samething

*Consumer Comment: Why xdo you keep pretending to know what you are talking about? Leave this type of discussion for the adults deadbeat.

*Consumer Comment: Why xdo you keep pretending to know what you are talking about? Leave this type of discussion for the adults deadbeat.

*Consumer Comment: Why xdo you keep pretending to know what you are talking about? Leave this type of discussion for the adults deadbeat.

*Consumer Comment: All presidents go back on there promises

*Consumer Comment: For Misty...

*Consumer Comment: WALL STREET WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HIKE IN GAS PRICES -

*Consumer Comment: ~ Stop Hating on Obama ~

*Consumer Comment: Thanx God for President Bus who kept us safe for over 7 years.... and now for Clinton and Obama

*Consumer Comment: Praise Bush!!!

*Consumer Comment: For the benefit of truth!

*Consumer Comment: OMG!! I Cannot Believe How Many Fooled Morons Exist!!

*Consumer Comment: I PITY YOU !

*Consumer Comment: I PITY YOU !

*Consumer Comment: I PITY YOU !

*Consumer Comment: he is gone now but the damage was done

*Consumer Comment: Bush Is gone

*Consumer Comment: Charles is gone?

*Consumer Comment: Gone, but not forgotten!

*Consumer Comment: The republicans had control for 6 years

*Consumer Comment: sheesh - a bunch of nuts here.

*Consumer Comment: Bush caused the recession

*Consumer Comment: Bush intervention depresses gasoline and oil prices

*Consumer Comment: no more bush family

*Consumer Comment: Be specific Charlie

*Consumer Comment: Bush betrayed us the american citizens

*Consumer Comment: What happened to "Change"?

*Consumer Comment: I am not ashamed

*Consumer Comment: Bush Is scum

*Consumer Comment: Our PRESIDENT !

*Consumer Suggestion: Misinformation and Ignorance Abounds

*Consumer Comment: Bush was born with a silver spoon in his a*s

*Consumer Comment: Bush is no dictator...he did what he could with what he had!

*Consumer Comment: You obviously are one of those who believes that Bush was behind 911 too........

*Consumer Comment: Ohmigoodness!

*Consumer Comment: Get a Life!

*Consumer Comment: Get a Life!

*Consumer Comment: Get a Life!

*Consumer Comment: Get a Life!

*Consumer Comment: DOwn with the loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Please name the impeachable crime

*Consumer Suggestion: Let's IMPEACH; then let's try George W. Bush for Murder--as prosecutor/author Bugliosi writes!

*Consumer Suggestion: Let's IMPEACH; then let's try George W. Bush for Murder--as prosecutor/author Bugliosi writes!

*Consumer Suggestion: Let's IMPEACH; then let's try George W. Bush for Murder--as prosecutor/author Bugliosi writes!

*Consumer Suggestion: Democrats in Congress

*Consumer Comment: On What Planet Have You Been Living?

*Consumer Comment: On What Planet Have You Been Living?

*Consumer Comment: On What Planet Have You Been Living?

*Consumer Comment: Dont Blame Bush for Everything

*Consumer Comment: Dont Blame Bush for Everything

*Consumer Comment: Dont Blame Bush for Everything

*Consumer Comment: Dont Blame Bush for Everything

*Consumer Comment: I think its unfair

*Consumer Comment: Robert strikes again

*Consumer Comment: HOLY MOLY!!!!

*Consumer Comment: update

*Consumer Comment: Wow, where do I start?...

*Consumer Comment: This person is speaking in ignorance

*Consumer Comment: This guy has no knowledge of the industry

*Consumer Comment: This Democretin is insane, and very uneducated!

*Consumer Comment: This Democretin is insane, and very uneducated!

*Consumer Comment: This Democretin is insane, and very uneducated!

*Consumer Comment: Hilary & Bill are the crooks

*Consumer Comment: To robert you can say what ever you like

*Consumer Comment: To robert

*Consumer Comment: Sure Charles

*Consumer Comment: To patrick... republican's set clinton up they were after him from day 1

*Consumer Comment: Can't let this one pass by.

*Consumer Comment: Clinton did have a surplus

*Consumer Comment: That's smart Vote For Obama

*Consumer Suggestion: Solution Vote for Obama or Hillary

*Consumer Comment: shgeesh

*Consumer Comment: I am done with this thread

*Consumer Comment: Charles You prove My Point Again

*Consumer Comment: To john

*Consumer Comment: Bush Veto Record

*Consumer Comment: Charles, Answer some Questions

*Consumer Comment: i am not embarassed

*Consumer Comment: John strikes again

*Consumer Comment: You amuse me

*Consumer Comment: 'I am not embarassment'

*Consumer Comment: Here We Go Again

*Consumer Comment: I am not embarassment

*Consumer Comment: Give examples...be specific

*Consumer Comment: To robert

*Consumer Comment: I cannot stop laughing!!!!

*Consumer Comment: So mccain will make our lives even harder

*Consumer Comment: Right Wing politicians have been pulling bait & switch scams on the middle and lower classes

*Consumer Comment: Charles, Why can't you answer the Question?

*Consumer Comment: There is no high demand for oil

*Consumer Comment: update

*Consumer Comment: update

*Consumer Comment: update

*Consumer Comment: update

*Consumer Comment: Charles, What Veto?

*Consumer Comment: To john

*Consumer Comment: To sed

*Consumer Comment: Charles think about what you are saying

*Consumer Comment: Get Real

*Consumer Comment: Get Real

*Consumer Comment: Get Real

*Consumer Comment: Get Real

*Consumer Comment: Stop wasting time.

*Consumer Comment: Charles your knowledge is lacking, and your post above lacks integrity! Where wery u in 1974?

*Consumer Comment: update

*Consumer Comment: update

*Consumer Comment: update

*Consumer Comment: update

*Consumer Comment: Talking about this isn't going to solve the problem

*Consumer Comment: Talking about this isn't going to solve the problem

*Consumer Comment: Talking about this isn't going to solve the problem

*Consumer Comment: Talking about this isn't going to solve the problem

*Consumer Comment: Traditional Republicans, traditional democrats, excepting FDR, an oil war, and less jobs for sure

*Consumer Comment: People wanted change they got change

*Consumer Comment: To patrick

*Consumer Comment: Sorry Charles,

*Consumer Comment: To Cirrusnarea

*Consumer Comment: Immature, irrelevant, and unconvincing troll ripoff report.

*Consumer Comment: Do you honestly believe George W bush is regulating the gas prices at your local gas station?

*Consumer Comment: Look in the mirror before you criticize.

*Consumer Comment: I do not believe anything the oil companies say

*Consumer Comment: Liberals are amazing

*Consumer Comment: Liberals are amazing

*Consumer Comment: Liberals are amazing

*Consumer Comment: Liberals are amazing

*Consumer Comment: Tony, are you really as big of a moron as this post makes you sound?

*Consumer Comment: While BUSH is bad, what have YOU done?

*Consumer Suggestion: PUT THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS

*Consumer Comment: are you really after terrorist?

*Consumer Comment: Dirtydawg, american politics is the biggest ripoff around!!!!

*Consumer Comment: I would rather be DEAD than be a liberal, socialist DEMOCRAT!!

*Consumer Comment: Bush is no great leader

*Author of original report: Bush and cronies destroying America with corporate agenda!

*Consumer Comment: Regarding George W. Bush

*Consumer Comment: you have got to be kidding!

*Consumer Comment: Bush is a Horrible President

*Consumer Comment: You can't make a horse drink water

*Consumer Comment: You can't make a horse drink water

*Consumer Comment: You can't make a horse drink water

*Consumer Comment: You can't make a horse drink water

*Consumer Comment: Lets all ignore bush fans

*Consumer Suggestion: Are you kidding? Bush did not steal the election.

*Consumer Comment: Give it up bush fans

*Consumer Comment: The original poster of this complaint is insane.

*Consumer Comment: Republicans never cared for the troops

*Consumer Comment: YOU elected?

*Consumer Comment: Good Going Charles

*Consumer Comment: I will never again vote in a election

*Consumer Comment: Ew! thats just GROSS!

*Consumer Comment: Ew! thats just GROSS!

*Consumer Comment: Ew! thats just GROSS!

*Consumer Comment: I'll look it up Josh

*Consumer Comment: no one robert?

*Consumer Comment: Kate in Toledo - Isn't it odd...

*Consumer Comment: You're almost on target

*Consumer Comment: Spin? Your kidding right?

*Consumer Comment: Look at Walter Reed

*Consumer Comment: Yaaaaawn

*Consumer Comment: Pegged! Again!

*Consumer Comment: We are the Bosses, these people are the employees of the United States.

*Consumer Comment: I'm an employee too, or a boss because I live in the USA.

*Consumer Comment: Try and use an anaolgy that makes sense

*Consumer Comment: I knew you could not do it

*Consumer Comment: Ok...this is easy Robert.......

*Consumer Comment: And a couple more issues, Ben

*Consumer Comment: I'll have to make this so easy, a Caveman can understand it

*Consumer Comment: Booo h*o! John

*Consumer Comment: Booo h*o! John

*Consumer Comment: Booo h*o! John

*Consumer Comment: Yeah Put all your Faith in Hillary

*Consumer Comment: Yeah Put all your Faith in Hillary

*Consumer Comment: Yeah Put all your Faith in Hillary

*Consumer Comment: Yeah Put all your Faith in Hillary

*Consumer Comment: John u hate anyone who does not like bush

*Consumer Comment: Oh Robert... same shnook as always.

*Consumer Comment: Samuel, Complain about your own country

*Consumer Comment: Samuel, Complain about your own country

*Consumer Comment: Samuel, Complain about your own country

*Consumer Comment: Samuel, Complain about your own country

*Consumer Comment: What my Grandpa always told me when I was a kid.

*Consumer Comment: George Bush is the New Hitler Reborn

*Consumer Comment: Only you, Ben

*Consumer Comment: Meds? you have to be kidding! Oh where to start......

*Consumer Comment: I can name one thing he's done, Charles...

*Consumer Comment: Please name one good thing bush has done

*Consumer Comment: "They drew first blood"

*Consumer Comment: "They drew first blood"

*Consumer Comment: "They drew first blood"

*Consumer Comment: "They drew first blood"

*Consumer Comment: Will is a hard right republican

*Consumer Comment: People are tired of being treated badly from republicans they have no right to treat us like we are nothing

*Consumer Comment: People are tired of being treated badly from republicans they have no right to treat us like we are nothing

*Consumer Comment: People are tired of being treated badly from republicans they have no right to treat us like we are nothing

*Consumer Comment: People are tired of being treated badly from republicans they have no right to treat us like we are nothing

*Consumer Comment: What a bunch of morons!

*Consumer Comment: Total Nonsense... Get the facts.... Bush's only crime was being the most ignorant president in the history of Usa.

*Consumer Comment: Total Nonsense... Get the facts.... Bush's only crime was being the most ignorant president in the history of Usa.

*Consumer Comment: Total Nonsense... Get the facts.... Bush's only crime was being the most ignorant president in the history of Usa.

*Consumer Comment: Total Nonsense... Get the facts.... Bush's only crime was being the most ignorant president in the history of Usa.

*Consumer Comment: bush etc

*Consumer Comment: Liberals are afraid of truth

*Consumer Comment: Liberals are afraid of truth

*Consumer Comment: Liberals are afraid of truth

*Consumer Comment: Liberals are afraid of truth

*Consumer Suggestion: Keep Laughing Katherine

*Consumer Comment: Where are all the republicans now??

*Consumer Comment: Where are all the republicans now??

*Consumer Comment: Where are all the republicans now??

*Consumer Comment: Where are all the republicans now??

*Consumer Suggestion: Richard Nixon, The Sequel! Don't like it? Vote! I did...

*Consumer Comment: This is the funniest quote ever

*Consumer Comment: This is the funniest quote ever

*Consumer Comment: This is the funniest quote ever

*Consumer Comment: This is the funniest quote ever

*Consumer Suggestion: People are watching the Movies

*Consumer Comment: To our friend up north.

*Consumer Comment: Talk about a waste...

*Consumer Suggestion: It is not Democrat Verses Republican!

*Consumer Comment: Go back to the Asylum

*Consumer Comment: Not a GWB fan, but I must say...

*Consumer Comment: Wow

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles... you have it right!

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles... you have it right!

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles... you have it right!

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles I have to agree with you!

*Consumer Comment: When republicans ask for your vote just say no

*Consumer Comment: When republicans ask for your vote just say no

*Consumer Comment: When republicans ask for your vote just say no

*Consumer Comment: When republicans ask for your vote just say no

*Consumer Suggestion: & so your point is?

*Consumer Comment: A couple comments on recent posts.

*Consumer Comment: Is there a conspiracy theory from the "kook fringe" you do NOT subscribe to?

*Consumer Suggestion: Iraq is today more dangerous than it ever has been

*Consumer Comment: More conspiracy nuttiness from James

*Consumer Suggestion: I don't worry about Robert.

*Consumer Comment: Narrow minded.......to say the least

*Consumer Comment: A mind is a terrible thing to waste, Chip

*Consumer Comment: Educate Yourself Robert

*Consumer Comment: He's baaaa-ack!

*Consumer Comment: He's baaaa-ack!

*Consumer Suggestion: If you want proof... just go to the Links. You were Scammed by 911

*Consumer Comment: I Swore

*Consumer Suggestion: Yeah, Let's let A CANADIAN Tell Us What's Right

*Consumer Comment: Americans don't get fooled again! These voting machines have no checks on them, no paper trail, easily changeable results, open to viruses.

*Consumer Suggestion: Typical

*Consumer Comment: Lets get to the REAL issue on Bush

*Consumer Comment: Just remember this...

*Consumer Suggestion: Simple Terms

*Consumer Suggestion: Simple Terms

*Consumer Suggestion: Simple Terms

*Consumer Comment: To Chip

*Consumer Comment: To Chip

*Consumer Comment: To Chip

*Consumer Comment: To Chip

*Consumer Comment: You people are way too passionate about things you have no control over.

*Consumer Comment: James, keep posting your thoughts!

*Consumer Comment: just ignore the bush fans

*Consumer Comment: **Not a Political Forum - Products and Services ONLY!

*Consumer Comment: No WMD's in Iraq? How WRONG you Left-Wingers are

*Consumer Comment: To John in White, Ga.

*Consumer Comment: STOP, LOOK & LISTEN

*Consumer Comment: FACTS

*Consumer Comment: For you Bush supporters

*Consumer Suggestion: Answer some Questions, Chip

*Consumer Comment: To those who support Bush: We know you lack the skills of independent thinking and critical analysis.

*Consumer Comment: To those who support Bush: We know you lack the skills of independent thinking and critical analysis.

*Consumer Comment: To those who support Bush: We know you lack the skills of independent thinking and critical analysis.

*Consumer Comment: To those who support Bush: We know you lack the skills of independent thinking and critical analysis.

*Consumer Comment: Bush's Family Wealth Came From the n**i Regime

*Consumer Comment: A Democrat Tells the Truth _

*Consumer Comment: Bush needs to be destroyed!

*Consumer Comment: Vera, just STFU and it will all go away

*Consumer Comment: Vera, just STFU and it will all go away

*Consumer Comment: Vera, just STFU and it will all go away

*Consumer Suggestion: G.W.Bush needs Ousted from the Big House !!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: James appears to be stricken YET AGAIN with another bout of the Brown-Bottle Flu...

*Consumer Comment: "B."-fore you make assumptions, you should consider....

*Consumer Comment: Bush is the Anti-Christ and Vera is the flying NUN!

*Consumer Comment: More.. Invasion of the Vera!...

*Consumer Comment: Oh stop Vera.....sheesh!

*Consumer Comment: Finally got a free moment to get on....

*Consumer Comment: Give me a break from the sanctimonious anti-government BS

*Consumer Comment: Read my lips... N. O. W. M. D.

*Consumer Comment: I liked his rebuttal

*Consumer Comment: Let's get back on track, shall we?

*Consumer Comment: Let's get back on track, shall we?

*Consumer Comment: Let's get back on track, shall we?

*Consumer Comment: Let's get back on track, shall we?

*Consumer Comment: your supposed facts and reasoning (or lack thereof) are pure spin, approaching zero on the credibility scale

*Consumer Comment: your supposed facts and reasoning (or lack thereof) are pure spin, approaching zero on the credibility scale

*Consumer Comment: your supposed facts and reasoning (or lack thereof) are pure spin, approaching zero on the credibility scale

*Consumer Comment: your supposed facts and reasoning (or lack thereof) are pure spin, approaching zero on the credibility scale

*Consumer Comment: If we had finished the job in 1990, AlQuada would have withered and died.

*Consumer Comment: What price, victory?

*Consumer Comment: What are you ranting about?

*Consumer Comment: Do you fail to see or wish not to believe?

*Consumer Comment: James, someone should throw you a full padded jacket!

*Consumer Comment: I know this is meaningless

*Author of original report: I stand by my post!

*Consumer Comment: Your no Marine

*Consumer Comment: DNC talking points... mind NUMB... must eat d'oh nuts

*Consumer Comment: Dissing the disinformtion.

*Consumer Comment: Why dont you tell me Robert?

*Consumer Comment: Oh Robert.....you just cant see the difference between your personal vendetta for me....and the subject in general.....

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: So many stupid people

*Consumer Suggestion: Can't you guys let it go????

*Consumer Comment: You are wrong as always, Ben.

*Consumer Comment: Here we go again

*Consumer Comment: And the "logic" continues.......

*Consumer Comment: Powell was a failure from the gitgo

*Consumer Comment: Vera, stop playing the victim, you're not a child anymore.

*Consumer Comment: It makes you wonder why...

*Consumer Suggestion: Let us not forget the little people.

*Consumer Comment: I AGREE WITH JAMES!

*Consumer Comment: Here is the Cliff's Notes version of this novel

*Consumer Comment: Even......MORE.....Robert-logic

*Consumer Comment: S'cuze me.... had to make time for this one....

*Consumer Comment: Tsk, Tsk, Tskk....as usual, the point is COMPLETELY missed.

*Consumer Comment: Robert, perhaps if you quit spinning for a sec, you wouldn't be so dizzy.

*Consumer Comment: Russian Roulette anyone?

*Consumer Comment: Russian Roulette anyone?

*Consumer Comment: Russian Roulette anyone?

*Consumer Comment: Christianity in chains?

*Consumer Comment: More Robert logic.........

*Consumer Comment: Another perfect example of Robert logic.....

*Consumer Comment: The dense, just get more dense

*Consumer Comment: Robert, sorry, I don't have time to "play dumb" for your amusement.

*Consumer Comment: Space...the final frontier...and plenty of it between your ears, Ben

*Consumer Comment: Dear John.. I've tried to avoid Robert for months. He tracks me down on any thread I dare post

*Consumer Comment: I agree. Enough is enough guys. Put the stick down, the horse has been dead for months.

*Consumer Comment: Words have meanings, and it's time you learned that

*Consumer Suggestion: Why don't you all grow up?????

*Consumer Comment: All people! Looking for information on Post! reward of 1,000.00

*Consumer Comment: And the smoke screen continues..

*Consumer Comment: No Mr.Grissom....I admitted nothing.

*Consumer Comment: The 70K came directly from you, Robert.

*Consumer Comment: Vera and Repubs! You are toast now!

*Consumer Comment: Vera and Repubs! You are toast now!

*Consumer Comment: That space/time continuum still confounds Ben

*Consumer Comment: The ultimate twist... and end game!

*Consumer Comment: This contortion of reality has to end!

*Consumer Comment: How did ONE school turn into 70,000 schools? Put down the pipe, please.

*Consumer Comment: Just the facts, Robert.

*Consumer Comment: You are right about the Christians. They aren't interested in your head. They are interested in provoking a global biological and thermonuclear war, just to prove there is a God who will save them

*Consumer Comment: One at a time, please

*Consumer Comment: You have given nothing...

*Consumer Comment: Perhaps this analogy will be more to your liking

*Consumer Comment: Zarqwho?

*Consumer Comment: Speaking of trolls...

*Consumer Comment: Why is it that almost everybody is seeing justice and dying EXCEPT "bin Laden the Master Mind"?

*Consumer Comment: Why is it that almost everybody is seeing justice and dying EXCEPT "bin Laden the Master Mind"?

*Consumer Comment: Why is it that almost everybody is seeing justice and dying EXCEPT "bin Laden the Master Mind"?

*Consumer Comment: Certainly, a Cut Above the Rest

*Consumer Comment: Bennie the Bass

*Consumer Comment: Numbers do mean things

*Consumer Comment: I have always known Robert and Vera's rants were just that... rants

*Consumer Comment: Debunking this circular 'debate'

*Consumer Comment: It has gone too far

*Consumer Comment: James......bah... dont worry about Vera, shes been long since trounced

*Consumer Comment: I am reminded of a story...

*Consumer Comment: you should have kept your mouth shut about my mother b***h

*Consumer Comment: Robert.. yes you are done. A smoke screen to avoid giving that non-existant info on more than one school

*Consumer Comment: Robert.. yes you are done. A smoke screen to avoid giving that non-existant info on more than one school

*Consumer Comment: Robert.. yes you are done. A smoke screen to avoid giving that non-existant info on more than one school

*Consumer Comment: One final time for you Ben

*Consumer Comment: And where does the link go.........

*Consumer Comment: just a thought

*Consumer Comment: just a thought

*Consumer Comment: just a thought

*Consumer Comment: Numbers? Robert?......they still add to.......ONE!

*Consumer Comment: Ah, poor little Prince of Tupper....I'd bet you're the life of the party, at Sunmount.

*Consumer Comment: Vera, Vera, Vera- The Holy roller Republican!

*Consumer Comment: Well, technically....

*Consumer Comment: I am truly done with you Ben

*Consumer Comment: Still you have shown NOTHING beyond ONE school!

*Consumer Comment: Still you have shown NOTHING beyond ONE school!

*Consumer Comment: Still you have shown NOTHING beyond ONE school!

*Consumer Comment: Still you have shown NOTHING beyond ONE school!

*Consumer Comment: Poor ben...still has trouble with numbers

*Consumer Comment: WHAT?!?! Now its all over the place again!?

*Consumer Comment: Awww.... poor James Fails To Reallize....

*Author of original report: I need to comment on Bush and the foolish Democrats that are allowing illegal immigrants to stay in this country

*Consumer Comment: Twisting, twisting, twisting the night away

*Consumer Comment: "Day One" has BEN done....Quit hitting the "Snooze" button. Time for a NEW DAY! :D

*Consumer Comment: And.....back to the original claim!

*Consumer Comment: Twisting the night away....

*Consumer Comment: Oh great....the next excuse.....

*Consumer Comment: Denial of fact doesn't equal the disappearence of fact; in short, wish all you want, it's not going away.

*Consumer Comment: As far as proof goes, there is no proof on either side.

*Consumer Comment: No Grey Areas Bush's big business is destroying the true American way of Life.

*Consumer Comment: Yes Ben, you want proof

*Consumer Comment: I know what you are thinking...

*Consumer Comment: Still waiting Vera, and nice tangent again Robert.

*Consumer Comment: Isnt it better that we save lives now than lose billions of people later.

*Consumer Comment: Damon?I'm still waiting for you to ?Let me know about meself?

*Consumer Comment: Focus? You mean smokescreen and blur

*Consumer Comment: Let you know about yourself

*Consumer Comment: Here is Ben's thought process

*Consumer Comment: You might ask yourself that same question, Damon.

*Consumer Comment: The self-righteous one

*Consumer Comment: Speaking of Dodging...

*Consumer Comment: Any way you slice it......

*Consumer Comment: Any way you slice it......

*Consumer Comment: Any way you slice it......

*Consumer Comment: More niwittery from Ben

*Consumer Comment: Nicole, you must be a Republican.

*Consumer Comment: Who would have though

*Consumer Comment: People need to listen to themselves

*Consumer Comment: Ohh, and a quick not about something else....

*Consumer Comment: To the Prince(ss) of Chides...

*Consumer Comment: Robert you still havent answered for the 160,000!!!

*Consumer Comment: More spin from Ben

*Consumer Comment: So true i am glad someone brough this out

*Consumer Comment: Vera's Own Words....PROOF IS IN THE POSTS!

*Consumer Comment: Vera's Own Words....PROOF IS IN THE POSTS!

*Consumer Comment: Vera's Own Words....PROOF IS IN THE POSTS!

*Consumer Comment: Vera's Own Words....PROOF IS IN THE POSTS!

*Consumer Comment: economics 1001 failed

*Consumer Comment: Right back at ya......

*Consumer Comment: Robert face it... you got caught.

*Consumer Comment: The Republicans won, alright.

*Consumer Comment: all republicans did was cheat

*Consumer Comment: good hell

*Consumer Comment: Third time's the charm.

*Consumer Comment: You need therapy Charles

*Consumer Comment: D go spew your hatred somewhere else

*Consumer Comment: D go spew your hatred somewhere else

*Consumer Comment: To Charles--You are 100% WRONG!

*Consumer Comment: d- you are so mean spritied

*Consumer Comment: d- you are so mean spritied

*Consumer Comment: d- you are so mean spritied

*Consumer Comment: Last time for the idiot Ben.

*Consumer Comment: Round and round we go...

*Consumer Comment: You see what i mean

*Consumer Comment: Oh puh-leaze.....6 years on and still looking to blame Clinton?

*Consumer Comment: Charles, you hypocritical tool

*Consumer Comment: Spin, spin away Ben

*Consumer Comment: Spin, spin away Ben

*Consumer Comment: Spin, spin away Ben

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles, Please respond - As a christian, do you hold it against democrats because they are for abortion?

*Consumer Comment: Can bush fans be more civil & respectful

*Consumer Comment: Census? Numbers? Robert-Logic?

*Consumer Comment: Census? Numbers? Robert-Logic?

*Consumer Comment: Census? Numbers? Robert-Logic?

*Consumer Comment: Census? Numbers? Robert-Logic?

*Consumer Comment: you & the rest of the bush fans come from the party of lies

*Consumer Comment: Ignore bush fans - mentally right wing bush nut, don't blame bush for anything its all democrats fault

*Consumer Comment: More reading comprehension lessons for Ben.

*Consumer Comment: President Bush not responsible for higher oil prices!

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles, You are mean-spirited

*Consumer Comment: Ignore the bush fans, bush fans are the most tolerant people i have ever seen

*Consumer Comment: Ignore the bush fans, bush fans are the most tolerant people i have ever seen

*Consumer Comment: Ignore the bush fans, bush fans are the most tolerant people i have ever seen

*Consumer Comment: Ignore the bush fans, bush fans are the most tolerant people i have ever seen

*Consumer Comment: Liberalism is a mental disorder

*Consumer Comment: One more time about the numbers, Benjo...

*Consumer Comment: It's easy Ben

*Consumer Comment: More Robert-logic

*Consumer Comment: Ben is off the deep end now

*Consumer Comment: Patrick's latest rant. Which is the same rant heard many times by the Bush lobby - Either way....I'll still take the b*****b.

*Consumer Comment: Why did bush offer retaliation

*Consumer Comment: Charles, Charles, Charles....

*Consumer Comment: Robert-Logic.....Or Robert-Lies?

*Consumer Comment: Robert-Logic.....Or Robert-Lies?

*Consumer Comment: Robert-Logic.....Or Robert-Lies?

*Consumer Comment: Robert-Logic.....Or Robert-Lies?

*Consumer Comment: Pay attention Ben - - nothing you ever post makes sense. CYBMS? is a very good question.

*Consumer Comment: Pay attention Ben - - nothing you ever post makes sense. CYBMS? is a very good question.

*Consumer Comment: Pay attention Ben - - nothing you ever post makes sense. CYBMS? is a very good question.

*Consumer Suggestion: Sick of the BS. I like most, was a huge Bush supporter.

*Consumer Comment: "Robert-Logic"

*Consumer Comment: Ignore the bush fans

*Consumer Comment: Who cares

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: My Company tis of thee

*Consumer Comment: No argument there B

*Consumer Comment: Sorry, Ben & Robert, but you're both wrong!

*Consumer Comment: Let's all see if we can see who's zooming who?

*Consumer Comment: Anwar? - The Bush administration repeatedly displays contempt for personal liberties. The Bush administration has wasted thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars in a war of many circumstances and reasons, but primarily about oil.

*Consumer Comment: Patrick, Patrick...And you are one to talk?

*Consumer Comment: To the two James, one in New York and the other in Canada!

*Consumer Comment: Fairy height 911

*Consumer Comment: Concerning f911

*Consumer Comment: Everyone--watch "Farenheit 911"

*Consumer Suggestion: I'm serious man!

*Consumer Comment: You have to love these guys

*Consumer Suggestion: Another Brilliant Statement Carlo

*Consumer Suggestion: Another Brilliant Statement Carlo

*Consumer Suggestion: Another Brilliant Statement Carlo

*Consumer Suggestion: Republicanism is a mental illness.

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles, You all have Al Franken????

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles, You all have Al Franken????

*Consumer Comment: Hannity republicans offical mascot

*Consumer Comment: George Bush....he is in line for the "balance".

*Consumer Suggestion: Park your Car in front of the White House !!!

*Consumer Comment: George Bush and 9/11

*Consumer Suggestion: Secret Oil Meetings !!!!

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush is making a profit on gas prices!

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush is making a profit on gas prices!

*Consumer Comment: I see you took a day off for "four-twenty", Jim....

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: George Walker Bush -Killing for wealth!

*Consumer Comment: A Republican Speaks Out!!!

*Consumer Comment: What HUGE profits?

*Consumer Suggestion: Its a "Gasser" !!!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Its a "Gasser" !!!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Its a "Gasser" !!!!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Its a "Gasser" !!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: I'd love to see the "stats" you speak of

*Consumer Comment: Democracy as a valuable commodity

*Consumer Comment: Rip-off in Texas

*Consumer Comment: Charles has made yet ANOTHER fine point!

*Consumer Comment: stupid younger generantion that voted bush in office

*Consumer Suggestion: National "Sit-Out Day" May 19th 2006/ America on Strike !!

*Consumer Suggestion: National "Sit-Out Day" May 19th 2006/ America on Strike !!

*Consumer Suggestion: National "Sit-Out Day" May 19th 2006/ America on Strike !!

*Consumer Suggestion: National "Sit-Out Day" May 19th 2006/ America on Strike !!

*Consumer Comment: Sad Day's of Bush

*Consumer Comment: we just have to agree with anything republicans do it is a crime know if we say anything bad about bush

*Consumer Comment: Why should the united states keep letting illegal immigrates stay in america

*Consumer Comment: Guy Get your facts Straight

*Consumer Comment: Bush supporters are retaliating agaisnt us

*Consumer Suggestion: How about the Secetary of Labor and others !!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: It gets better and better...

*Consumer Comment: Research before you speak

*UPDATE Employee: Semper Fidelis

*Consumer Comment: war for oil?

*Consumer Comment: war for oil?

*Consumer Comment: war for oil?

*Consumer Suggestion: did anyone ever pay attention to this?

*Consumer Comment: A GA resident who totally agrees

*Consumer Comment: Republicans have no feelings toward people

*Consumer Comment: Hello, John. You raise good points...

*Consumer Suggestion: The Democrats are no Better

*Consumer Suggestion: The Democrats are no Better

*Consumer Suggestion: The Democrats are no Better

*Consumer Suggestion: The Democrats are no Better

*Consumer Comment: I can understand why you'd think I'm falling....

*Consumer Comment: Your falling for everything!

*Consumer Suggestion: Republican "Jugheads" !!!

*Consumer Comment: To Jeremy

*Consumer Comment: I've said it before....

*Consumer Comment: I've said it before....

*Consumer Comment: I've said it before....

*Consumer Comment: I've said it before....

*Consumer Suggestion: New evidence - I spent a year in Iraq during this war and would do it over again in a heartbeat.

*Consumer Comment: Democrats should blast cheney for his derogatory remarks who cares what cheneys sas democrats don't need to take cheneys s**t

*Consumer Comment: Sheesh, Vera. Pick a party, grab a beer and grow a sense of humor . Vote Democrat!

*Consumer Comment: Awwww...someone thinks they have a wit! How cute...

*Consumer Comment: You might be a Republican...

*Consumer Comment: To many ignorant bush supporters on this forum

*Consumer Suggestion: Stop the hate!

*Consumer Comment: Typical of an uneducated populace

*Consumer Comment: I just loved this... My Fellow Americans

*Consumer Comment: Gee, Guy. That poll meant alot...about NOTHING!

*Consumer Comment: To John in Halifax, PA

*Consumer Comment: The antichrist is upon us fox news promotes hatred

*Consumer Comment: The antichrist is upon us fox news promotes hatred

*Consumer Comment: The antichrist is upon us fox news promotes hatred

*Consumer Comment: The antichrist is upon us fox news promotes hatred

*Consumer Suggestion: Check out the FACTS!

*Consumer Comment: It's like discovering you have a spot on your shirt at a restaurant...

*Consumer Comment: I have a dream too

*Author of original report: horrified to see that some people are blinded by Bush and his use of 9/11 as an excuse to invade ANY nation

*Consumer Comment: Ladies and Gentlemen, the Anti-Christ

*Consumer Comment: Cuius est solum, ejus est usque ad caelum et ad inferos.

*Consumer Comment: Hello, Robert of Dallas; it's always a pleasure...

*Consumer Comment: Are you brave enough, Vera, to crawl out of your safe rut and look around for the truth or will you remain a brainwashed zombie?

*Consumer Comment: Never discuss who you vote for

*Consumer Comment: It's another fine mess...

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles, I am truly sorry you have had a rough life

*Consumer Comment: What good freedom

*Consumer Comment: Edward get used to it! ignore comments from john

*Consumer Comment: Edward get used to it! ignore comments from john

*Consumer Comment: Edward get used to it! ignore comments from john

*Consumer Comment: B you have been ripped to shreds by everyone here

*Consumer Suggestion: To Mary From Duluth

*Consumer Suggestion: To Mary From Duluth

*Consumer Suggestion: To Mary From Duluth

*Consumer Suggestion: To Mary From Duluth

*Consumer Comment: Bunch of Liberal Babies in Here!!!

*Consumer Suggestion: I Want My $200k Back, Bush!

*Consumer Suggestion: I fully agree!

*Consumer Comment: This'n's a Monster....but I haven't posted in a while so....

*Consumer Comment: the only NON-Left leaning media is FoxNews. They have more than one side.

*Consumer Comment: Signing off Mates!

*Consumer Comment: Welcome to Troll City.

*Consumer Comment: Excuse me Sir Liam of London, Europe, United Kingdom

*Consumer Comment: and back to you Melvin

*Consumer Comment: Response ti Liam

*Consumer Comment: Response ti Liam

*Consumer Comment: Response ti Liam

*Consumer Comment: Response ti Liam

*Consumer Comment: Ashley of Grayslake - try and convince other idiotic Americans to impeach George Bush

*Consumer Comment: Sorry Melvin. Could you even find Britain on a map?

*Consumer Comment: Sorry Melvin. Could you even find Britain on a map?

*Consumer Comment: Sorry Melvin. Could you even find Britain on a map?

*Consumer Comment: To Mr B from Denver

*Consumer Comment: Why does Bill Clinton keep rising up when Monica is nowhere to be seen at Rip-off Report? Forget WMDs and focus on MPGs! Bush-o-nomics rules.

*Consumer Comment: To Katherine

*Consumer Comment: To Katherine

*Consumer Comment: To Katherine

*Consumer Comment: To Katherine

*Consumer Comment: What damage?

*Consumer Suggestion: GEORGE W. BUSH IS A MORON BUT ONLY CAUSE YOU ASKED FOR IT ..You may have been "suckered" into having him as President the first time, but then ya buncha schmucks VOTED him in the second time.

*Consumer Comment: Robert's Religion.

*Consumer Comment: That's very extreme "B"

*Consumer Comment: Make the states pay the debt

*Consumer Comment: Response to "B"

*Consumer Comment: Response to "B"

*Consumer Comment: Response to "B"

*Consumer Comment: For B: President John F.Kennedy vs The Federal Reserve

*Consumer Comment: Guilty of Perjury...and other crimes

*Consumer Comment: Guilty of Perjury...and other crimes

*Consumer Comment: Guilty of Perjury...and other crimes

*Consumer Comment: Guilty of Perjury...and other crimes

*Consumer Comment: Cutting the purse strings.

*Consumer Suggestion: Representative Ron Paul (R, TX) has cracked this nut and we are ALL wrong. The truth about the invasion of Iraq is much, much scarier!

*Consumer Suggestion: Representative Ron Paul (R, TX) has cracked this nut and we are ALL wrong. The truth about the invasion of Iraq is much, much scarier!

*Consumer Suggestion: Representative Ron Paul (R, TX) has cracked this nut and we are ALL wrong. The truth about the invasion of Iraq is much, much scarier!

*Consumer Suggestion: Charles why so much hatred?

*Consumer Comment: Bush the biggest piece of trash president america has ever had

*Consumer Comment: Here we go again

*Consumer Comment: Here we go again

*Consumer Comment: Here we go again

*Consumer Comment: Where do you draw the line?

*Consumer Comment: One More Thing James...

*Consumer Comment: Good Post, Vera

*Consumer Comment: Wrongo, Bongo!

*Consumer Comment: Wrong as always James

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush and the USA Government is too POWERFUL!

*Consumer Comment: I found another great quote

*Consumer Comment: The Court should be politically neutral?

*Consumer Comment: SCOTUS does not have line item approval

*Consumer Comment: Try again B, this time in English

*Consumer Comment: The taxing behavior of the US Congress.

*Consumer Comment: Here's a novel idea "B" - How about having the US Constitution strictly followed. There's a whacky thought!

*Consumer Comment: Answer to "unusual paragraph"

*Consumer Comment: I don't know how anyone could lie about the Clintons

*Consumer Comment: just for fun

*Consumer Comment: Shawn, your news about "Spygate" is completely bogus.

*Consumer Comment: Well I'll "B." Darned!

*Consumer Comment: I didn't know anyone could lie about the Clintons

*Consumer Comment: Just curious, Robert, not yellow?

*Consumer Comment: He's 'B'a-aack! LOL

*Consumer Comment: The Civil Rights Act of 1964

*Consumer Comment: Just curious "B"...

*Consumer Comment: Hillary exposed!

*Consumer Comment: what is there to say about a president who openly proclaims himself to be above the law and beyond the confines of the Constitution?

*Consumer Comment: Should I be crushed, that Bennie doesn't read my replies?

*Consumer Comment: Should I be crushed, that Bennie doesn't read my replies?

*Consumer Comment: Should I be crushed, that Bennie doesn't read my replies?

*Consumer Comment: Should I be crushed, that Bennie doesn't read my replies?

*Consumer Comment: School's "in"

*Consumer Comment: One more thing Benjo

*Consumer Comment: I knew he couldn't last a week

*Consumer Comment: "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." - Martin Luther King

*Consumer Comment: No Shawn, I don't think you "missed it at first read."

*Consumer Comment: The pot calling the kettle black...

*Consumer Comment: Ummmm ....No..... This case was big news in your hometown and took up alot of time and resources from the County budget fighting it.

*Consumer Comment: Anyone want to place bets that Ben will really go away?

*Consumer Comment: Where have all the moderates gone??

*Consumer Comment: Where have all the moderates gone??

*Consumer Comment: Where have all the moderates gone??

*Consumer Comment: Where have all the moderates gone??

*Consumer Comment: coward.

*Consumer Comment: Been away a while... lots to read. And lookee here!

*Consumer Comment: Maybe you could lie some more Benjo

*Consumer Comment: Sorry folks.....one last time......

*Consumer Comment: Robert, your pathetic.....

*Consumer Comment: A correction:

*Consumer Comment: James, such reasoned arguments are difficult to contest, but . . .

*Consumer Comment: Vera & Shawn: I appreciate your candor.

*Consumer Comment: This one is for the records folks. Grab a beer and get ready to read!

*Consumer Comment: Eat your honey --- ten million bears just CAN'T be wrong!

*Consumer Comment: Libertarian eh?

*Consumer Comment: Libertarian eh?

*Consumer Comment: Libertarian eh?

*Consumer Comment: Libertarian eh?

*Consumer Comment: Republicans-Dumb asses

*Consumer Comment: You disbelievers or deceivers F OFF!

*Consumer Comment: My two cents.

*Consumer Suggestion: Help me impeach Bush: Sign the petition!

*Consumer Comment: Way to go Nick!

*Consumer Comment: Oops! A quick response has turned into an editorial !

*Consumer Comment: Two Byrds, One Stone...

*Consumer Suggestion: Can any right wing nuts talk common sense?

*Consumer Comment: People, Bush is a Hitler wannabe, he loves wealth, and POWER!

*Consumer Comment: Did you know . . .

*Consumer Comment: WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOU IT ???

*Consumer Comment: WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOU IT ???

*Consumer Comment: WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOU IT ???

*Consumer Comment: Hey! A book titled "Logic: The Antithesis of Ben[t] On Being a Victom"

*Consumer Comment: Hey! A book titled "Logic: The Antithesis of Ben[t] On Being a Victom"

*Consumer Comment: Hey! A book titled "Logic: The Antithesis of Ben[t] On Being a Victom"

*Consumer Comment: Hey! A book titled "Logic: The Antithesis of Ben[t] On Being a Victom"

*Consumer Comment: This is getting out of hand.

*Consumer Comment: D'you suppose, that little Bennie is a millionaire like Aeropostale?

*Consumer Comment: This goes back to my "inane comment" post

*Consumer Comment: The only logical response to Ben . . .

*Consumer Comment: Shawn, YOU and VERA made the statements. Where is the proof behind them?

*Consumer Comment: amzing post from the twilight zone

*Consumer Comment: I hate it when I get "sucked back in", but . . . lol

*Consumer Comment: You never cease to amaze me, Ben

*Consumer Comment: Where? Where? Where?

*Consumer Comment: Whatever.

*Consumer Comment: Unh-UNH, Honey....!

*Consumer Comment: Where Shawn? ....for the 90th time ....where??

*Consumer Comment: Ok point for point.......

*Consumer Comment: Ben - proof that you're a liar is in your own vitriol! (sorry, another 'longun' - anyone care for a coffee?)

*Consumer Suggestion: Ben you sir are a hypocritre

*Consumer Comment: Shawn, Iraq, Al-Quada, ...where is the proof?

*Consumer Suggestion: Wrong Forum

*Consumer Comment: Ok Shawn... If you can get past your homophobe views. Here, I'll tell "your" truth..

*Consumer Comment: Either Ben's a mindreader, or my wife has him "pegged" lol

*Consumer Comment: Ah yes. the hypocrite.. continues...

*Consumer Comment: Holidays turn me into an insomniac!!

*Consumer Comment: Sigh... just when you think it's safe to get back into the water again...

*Consumer Comment: Whatever.

*Consumer Comment: Whatever.

*Consumer Comment: Whatever.

*Consumer Comment: Whatever.

*Consumer Suggestion: Yep u keep on honoring those troops Patrick

*Consumer Comment: Thank you Vera.

*Consumer Comment: Then we move on! - There are none so blind, as those who choose not to see!

*Consumer Comment: Then we move on! - There are none so blind, as those who choose not to see!

*Consumer Comment: Then we move on! - There are none so blind, as those who choose not to see!

*Consumer Comment: Then we move on! - There are none so blind, as those who choose not to see!

*Consumer Comment: Patrick---I couldn't agree more.

*Consumer Comment: This is for Ben, Shawn and Vera. ..you three have hijacked this thread for long enough

*Consumer Comment: One more question to add, Ben

*Consumer Comment: Yes, it's Almost the same, but I'm not going to write two separate responses for the same B.S. spin! O.K. Ben . . . you win!

*Consumer Comment: Nahh-ah! Try again. :D

*Consumer Comment: Here's something else you'll claim you're too busy to read, Princess.

*Consumer Comment: My letter to the Editor of Army Times Publication

*Consumer Comment: Wow amazing.... proof shown and.... ignored... why am I not surprised

*Consumer Comment: Wow amazing.... proof shown and.... ignored... why am I not surprised

*Consumer Comment: Wow amazing.... proof shown and.... ignored... why am I not surprised

*Consumer Comment: Wow amazing.... proof shown and.... ignored... why am I not surprised

*Consumer Comment: WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT IT?

*Consumer Comment: Wow! another edition of Encyclopedia Stupidia!!

*Consumer Comment: Canadunce James

*Consumer Comment: Man, I hate it when I can't sleep!

*Consumer Comment: More diatribe from Report number 165478

*Consumer Comment: Bush the Dictator... with PROOF! Just for Vera and Shawn......so they can see how it is done.......

*Consumer Suggestion: Ok for all you lost causes:

*Consumer Comment: T.L. James . . . do you ever research??

*Consumer Suggestion: What is at stake

*Consumer Suggestion: What is at stake

*Consumer Suggestion: What is at stake

*Consumer Comment: Bush supporters are at All time low!

*Consumer Comment: Let's put this back where it belongs(Post Number 154773)

*Consumer Comment: I bet mine's longer than yours . . . get your mind outta the gutter!

*Consumer Comment: Shawn, you should know better than to make that challenge.

*Consumer Comment: Sorry Lara consider the fleecing of an entire nation

*Consumer Comment: Misquoth the raven, "Evermore!"

*Consumer Comment: Quick Point

*Consumer Comment: And another classic dodge by Vera.......

*Consumer Comment: Still waiting for you to back up your lies "Tweet!"

*Consumer Comment: Oo-oo-ooh! A "James" I LIKE!

*Consumer Comment: Yo! Dum-dums! (That's you James 'n James)

*Consumer Comment: To the James twins.

*Consumer Suggestion: You had your chance

*Consumer Comment: Oh, Brother.

*Consumer Comment: This is for the James' Gang...

*Consumer Comment: Sadaam is on Trial by Iraqi's

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush should be impeached!

*Consumer Suggestion: Suddam is in a Kangaroo Court!

*Consumer Comment: In response to some of Ben's past boo-h*o-ing

*Consumer Comment: The Bush Ripoff?

*Consumer Comment: Here is reality.... no one to blame but ourselves in regards to the current BS state affairs in this country

*Consumer Comment: The troll is baaaaack!

*Consumer Comment: Wheeee! Ben's latest PABLUM is out!

*Consumer Comment: Ooh! James and his Girlfriend are back!

*Consumer Suggestion: Are you Guyz outta yer minds"

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera, Tweety, Show me your true self!

*Consumer Comment: A Question . . .

*Consumer Comment: Another thing Vera......

*Consumer Comment: OK Vera...I'll do something you cant do.. answer some simple questions..

*Consumer Comment: I'll try this again, as my last 2 haven't posted - Help! I've been ripped off!! lol

*Consumer Comment: constitution?

*Consumer Comment: Talk abot'cher fun on a bun!

*Consumer Comment: to B in Denver

*Consumer Comment: Your brain is a tiny sample of WMD.

*Consumer Comment: Just for example, here's a tiny sample from a large list of WMDs that have been found in Iraq but suppressed by the elitest left wing media.

*Consumer Comment: WMD were found in 2003, inside your head.

*Consumer Comment: Bush lovers are either super rich or retarded!

*Consumer Comment: Hey Canada... You still suck!!!

*Consumer Comment: WMDs WERE found in 2003, shortly after we went into Iraq.

*Consumer Comment: Still waiting.....

*Consumer Comment: Reconsidering the price of oil argument.

*Consumer Comment: Reconsidering the price of oil argument.

*Consumer Comment: Reconsidering the price of oil argument.

*Consumer Comment: Reconsidering the price of oil argument.

*Consumer Comment: yooo-h*o, hey boo h*o. . .

*Consumer Comment: Oh, Ben, you've discovered my weakness; I just love quizzes.

*Consumer Comment: Oh, Ben, you've discovered my weakness; I just love quizzes.

*Consumer Comment: Oh, Ben, you've discovered my weakness; I just love quizzes.

*Consumer Comment: Too bad... so sad... AGAIN!

*Consumer Comment: your sorry a*s that religion was the root cause of the dark ages

*Consumer Comment: Ben, you and your posts are laughable, to say the least!!

*Consumer Comment: This is classic hypocritical right wing mantra......

*Consumer Comment: Shawn

*Consumer Comment: When is ME, not ME?

*Consumer Comment: Oh the humanity!

*Consumer Comment: Vera, If your scared of answering honest questions, then that tells us something

*Consumer Comment: First...and then...

*Consumer Comment: "To all 'PEACEFULL' People!"...JIM BEAMs another dry heave in our direction....

*Consumer Comment: Still haven't moved on . . . good! 'Cause here's my 2 cents! lol

*Consumer Comment: Can't always get what'cha want....

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush- Bush is an Adolf Hitler want to be!

*Consumer Comment: A side note about the questions.....

*Consumer Comment: A side note about the questions.....

*Consumer Comment: A side note about the questions.....

*Consumer Comment: Ok Vera lets be fair......

*Consumer Comment: Ok Vera lets be fair......

*Consumer Comment: Ok Vera lets be fair......

*Consumer Comment: Bush and his religious cronies are out to make this country into something even more vile than the Taliban in Afganistan

*Consumer Comment: "The U.S. Stole Alaska"

*Consumer Comment: Just to set the facts straight

*Consumer Comment: Just to set the facts straight

*Consumer Comment: Just to set the facts straight

*Consumer Comment: Just to set the facts straight

*Consumer Comment: Vera.....you just dont learn....or listen... do you?

*Consumer Comment: Jon's website...

*Consumer Comment: A little sensitive are we?

*Consumer Comment: A little sensitive are we?

*Consumer Comment: A little sensitive are we?

*Consumer Comment: Speaking of low ratings...

*Consumer Comment: Gee Jon, why wouldn't any of us "right" thinkers want to read your link?

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: George W. Bush- Ratings at ALL time LOW!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: I finally understand why people see gay marriage as an attack on the institution.

*Consumer Comment: B, Thanx for interesting reading throughout

*Consumer Comment: jummpst hmmmoooold aawwwn ooon mnut!

*Consumer Comment: "If only" and "I believe"

*Consumer Comment: To those who served....

*Consumer Comment: Maybe we need to throw a Houston 'tea' party.

*Consumer Comment: Maybe we need to throw a Houston 'tea' party.

*Consumer Comment: Maybe we need to throw a Houston 'tea' party.

*Consumer Comment: Maybe we need to throw a Houston 'tea' party.

*Consumer Comment: ummm ben . . . all I did was point out an inconsistency in your own writings

*Consumer Comment: Must... goad... Shawn...

*Consumer Comment: Yet another heavy sigh...but wait....! Is that a light...

*Consumer Comment: A challenge Shawn.....

*Consumer Comment: A challenge Shawn.....

*Consumer Comment: A challenge Shawn.....

*Consumer Comment: A challenge Shawn.....

*Consumer Comment: And finally......

*Consumer Comment: Vera....

*Consumer Comment: Vera....

*Consumer Comment: Vera....

*Consumer Comment: Vera....

*Consumer Comment: How the government has gradually stolen your rights and Americans haven't even noticed! Big Brother LOVES this bunch!!

*Consumer Comment: Happy 230th Marines!

*Consumer Suggestion: Basically this is getting "Old & Tired"

*Consumer Comment: P.S. Congrats! Ben . . .

*Consumer Comment: P.S. Congrats! Ben . . .

*Consumer Comment: P.S. Congrats! Ben . . .

*Consumer Comment: round and round and round we go

*Consumer Comment: round and round and round we go

*Consumer Comment: round and round and round we go

*Consumer Comment: round and round and round we go

*Consumer Comment: The hand....

*Consumer Comment: Ok...and back to Bush......

*Consumer Comment: Bush and the future (lack of) Civil Rights.....

*Consumer Comment: You have shown nothing but Roberts post Vera...

*Consumer Comment: PLease, please, PLEASE can we get back on topic?

*Consumer Comment: Charlene, welcome!

*Consumer Comment: Vera, about that 'sanctity' of marriage thing...

*Consumer Comment: Vera, about that 'sanctity' of marriage thing...

*Consumer Comment: Vera, about that 'sanctity' of marriage thing...

*Consumer Comment: James, please learn to count. ..They make wild accusations and the press gives it a pass.

*Consumer Comment: Saddam Insane is a lobotomy experiment gone bad.

*Consumer Comment: Saddam Insane is a lobotomy experiment gone bad.

*Consumer Comment: Saddam Insane is a lobotomy experiment gone bad.

*Consumer Comment: Saddam Insane is a lobotomy experiment gone bad.

*Consumer Comment: Man, I've had gas with more talent...

*Consumer Comment: Man, I've had gas with more talent...

*Consumer Comment: Man, I've had gas with more talent...

*Consumer Comment: Man, I've had gas with more talent...

*Consumer Comment: Bush cheated his way into office.

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera & Robert

*Consumer Comment: Josef Goebbels had the right idea

*Consumer Comment: Oh, Brother....James simply can't get away from his own hypocrisy...

*Consumer Comment: Shawn, I just don't understand some of your responses.

*Consumer Comment: Oh Vera....how you twist away....

*Consumer Comment: A quick note to 'B'

*Consumer Suggestion: Well B, you certainly cover the same subjects I do... in a different light.

*Consumer Comment: Shawn on KBR, Newsmax, Religion, and Drugs.

*Consumer Comment: Man seeks horse...."Better saddle sore than cornholed" !

*Consumer Comment: Man seeks horse...."Better saddle sore than cornholed" !

*Consumer Comment: Man seeks horse...."Better saddle sore than cornholed" !

*Consumer Comment: Man seeks horse...."Better saddle sore than cornholed" !

*Consumer Suggestion: And again... the longest post award goes to...

*Consumer Comment: Yo, c'mere fishy

*Consumer Comment: By my troth...

*Consumer Comment: By my troth...

*Consumer Comment: By my troth...

*Consumer Comment: By my troth...

*Consumer Comment: Owe 'B', U is sutch a bulee... ime kriing... wah

*Consumer Comment: Owe 'B', U is sutch a bulee... ime kriing... wah

*Consumer Comment: Owe 'B', U is sutch a bulee... ime kriing... wah

*Consumer Comment: Owe 'B', U is sutch a bulee... ime kriing... wah

*Consumer Comment: Bush- Very Low Ratings

*Consumer Comment: Bush- Very Low Ratings

*Consumer Comment: Bush- Very Low Ratings

*Consumer Comment: George Walker Bush-Worse President in History! The United States is being HIJACKED to provide for the wealthy, while our troops die!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Ok B... you wanna piece of me?

*Consumer Suggestion: Ok B... you wanna piece of me?

*Consumer Suggestion: Ok B... you wanna piece of me?

*Consumer Suggestion: Ok B... you wanna piece of me?

*Consumer Suggestion: Ben! This is the last time I am gonna tell you!

*Consumer Suggestion: Ben! This is the last time I am gonna tell you!

*Consumer Suggestion: Ben! This is the last time I am gonna tell you!

*Consumer Suggestion: Ben! This is the last time I am gonna tell you!

*Consumer Comment: Nice Firebrand preaching there Vera...

*Consumer Comment: he's an even bigger hypocrite and scumbag than anyone ever thought

*Consumer Comment: Speaking of specials...

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Sorry Robert... did ya miss the song?

*Consumer Comment: please cut this thread off

*Consumer Comment: "Special"? James? My posts are directed at anyone who cares to read them

*Consumer Comment: Shawn, more on Iraq, etc. plus an extra heapin' helping of slime

*Consumer Comment: Here's something to ponder

*Consumer Comment: The dead one is showing "the squirm"

*Consumer Comment: The dead one is showing "the squirm"

*Consumer Comment: The dead one is showing "the squirm"

*Consumer Comment: The dead one is showing "the squirm"

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera... why don't you really give us a 2 for one special?

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera... why don't you really give us a 2 for one special?

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera... why don't you really give us a 2 for one special?

*Consumer Comment: I am INSPIRED (for about fifteen minutes)! Canadian Shill-Billy!

*Consumer Comment: Excellent link, Robert of Florida!

*Consumer Comment: All 'spin' aside, . . .

*Consumer Comment: Religion, religion, everywhere! It is part of it all.

*Consumer Suggestion: Sure Robert... I will go look at more of your evidence...

*Consumer Comment: Don't be such a Gore Loser, Jim of Tupper! :D

*Consumer Comment: A "2 for 1" special!

*Consumer Comment: Enough, with the religion crap already!

*Consumer Comment: Bush and his cronies are getting rich over the war in Iraq

*Consumer Comment: Bush and his cronies are getting rich over the war in Iraq

*Consumer Comment: Bush and his cronies are getting rich over the war in Iraq

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera get's off topic & just runs with it! - forget the "billions of dollars" that the government could rake in from the legalization of drugs people are gonna use anyway

*Consumer Comment: An extra note......for the reason challenged Vera....

*Consumer Comment: How? Where? What?

*Consumer Comment: How? Where? What?

*Consumer Comment: How? Where? What?

*Consumer Comment: How? Where? What?

*Consumer Comment: Here are some articles I found....

*Consumer Comment: And we "look away, look away, look away---" from the topic AGAIN. Thanks, James.

*Consumer Suggestion: Anybody remember the Beverly Hillbillies?

*Consumer Suggestion: Anybody remember the Beverly Hillbillies?

*Consumer Suggestion: Anybody remember the Beverly Hillbillies?

*Consumer Suggestion: Anybody remember the Beverly Hillbillies?

*Consumer Suggestion: Well thanks B... a very intelligent Post.

*Consumer Comment: George Walker Bush= loser

*Consumer Comment: We are not a perfect society, but we are a model for so many others

*Consumer Comment: Another big sigh....

*Consumer Comment: To Robert and others who claim Halliburton is the ONLY company who can do the job.

*Consumer Comment: More of the same...tells everyone how we need to stay on-topic, then attacks with more stupidity--which is totally off-topic. Way to Go, Cap'n Canuck!

*Consumer Suggestion: Watch em sqirm people... watch em sqirm!

*Consumer Comment: I wonder why someone in Canada gives a rat's a*s about what happens in my Government.

*Consumer Suggestion: Again Ben I am on your side

*Consumer Comment: Don't worry, be happy . . .

*Consumer Comment: Don't worry, be happy . . .

*Consumer Comment: Don't worry, be happy . . .

*Consumer Comment: I wish I had more time . . .

*Consumer Suggestion: Back with the "I need proof again"... turn on the T,V.

*Consumer Comment: James.....

*Consumer Comment: And the award for most topic changes goes to . . .

*Consumer Comment: Time for a little "comic relief". The Perfect Plan.

*Consumer Comment: If you're not gonna defend it, then don't bring it up

*Consumer Comment: Here I am Vera.. you religous freaking zealot

*Consumer Suggestion: Greg... I certainly agree with you

*Consumer Comment: Patrick, I Agree

*Consumer Comment: What a joke....Oh, Cana-DUH! Where have you Ben?

*Consumer Comment: Some days, it's just too easy! :D

*Consumer Comment: Jesus (no pun intended), can we get back on topic?

*Consumer Suggestion: Since you are so "adamant" on talking about the bible on this thread... I will include the paper I wrote here:

*Consumer Comment: George Walker Bush has made the rules more tightened!

*Consumer Comment: Bush's Ship is quickly sinking!

*Consumer Comment: Back to the Original.. Lies, lies, and more lies from the folks who said they were going to restore integrity

*Consumer Comment: A word to the "non-existant"

*Consumer Comment: The truth shall set you free

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera;

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera;

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera;

*Consumer Comment: Vera keeps spinning.....

*Consumer Comment: Hunh? Oh.

*Consumer Suggestion: & to "B' personally

*Consumer Suggestion: Well "B" I will leave you & Ben to the religeous end of this thread

*Consumer Comment: Ignore this Idiot

*Consumer Comment: Google is a wonderful thing.

*Consumer Comment: Religion is an important aspect of any discussion of Bush!

*Consumer Comment: Vera

*Consumer Suggestion: Go find a blog site...you are all full of hot air

*Consumer Comment: The pot calling the kettle black

*Consumer Suggestion: Ben... if you are gonna handle all 3 of these morons...

*Consumer Comment: Very interesting post Robert

*Consumer Comment: Holy Cow!

*Consumer Comment: More Vera.....

*Consumer Comment: Another wonderful Vera quote...

*Consumer Comment: Your a liar Vera

*Consumer Comment: Vera is right...maybe(need to do more fact checking)

*Consumer Comment: Vera is right...maybe(need to do more fact checking)

*Consumer Comment: Vera is right...maybe(need to do more fact checking)

*Consumer Comment: Vera is right...maybe(need to do more fact checking)

*Consumer Comment: Ohmighosh! Now I understand!

*Consumer Comment: James and Rebecca

*Consumer Comment: Phish ain't bitin

*Consumer Suggestion: You just don't get it either of you... do you?

*Consumer Comment: well thought out, but too bias

*Consumer Comment: Bennie, I swear you're so narrow-minded, that if you fell on a pin, it'd blind you in both eyes....

*Consumer Comment: Fear sells

*Consumer Comment: Ok Vera.....lets tear you down. Quote by quote.

*Consumer Comment: Be careful, you might learn something!

*Consumer Comment: Tsk-tsk-tsk...."...and those that have eyes, they will not see..."

*Consumer Comment: FEAR SELLS

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera & Shawn, you are meant for one another.

*Consumer Suggestion: Well finally Vera comes out with an intelligent post!

*Consumer Comment: Awww.... Boo-h*o For You!

*Consumer Comment: I won't support anti-American liars any longer

*Consumer Comment: Vera, You have it figured out, HUH?? ..Bush is sinking

*Consumer Comment: Here's something that might be of interest to the reading populace.

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera are you really nuts?

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera are you really nuts?

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera are you really nuts?

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera are you really nuts?

*Consumer Suggestion: Shawn I don't need such a long post.

*Consumer Comment: Bless America

*Consumer Comment: I hate to break my own word, but i feel compelled to respond...

*Consumer Comment: You spin me right 'round baby right 'round...

*Consumer Suggestion: Speaking of long post's Vera...

*Consumer Comment: Vera.... Your either making things up, or have been listening to Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson too much.

*Consumer Comment: Don't worry, "B." happy now!

*Consumer Comment: Liar?

*Consumer Suggestion: Shawn, don't put that pencil down yet.

*Consumer Comment: That was a long one Shawn, but worth the read.

*Consumer Comment: I think this is a little more factual James

*Consumer Comment: Vera, sorry, the veil of self righteous indignation doesn't wear well

*Consumer Comment: I'm hurt!

*Consumer Comment: Shawn, your 'Kerry' memo is a fake! A rip-off!

*Consumer Suggestion: Ok Shawn... so now I have to be your teacher.

*Consumer Comment: guess Canada will just have to invade the U.S. by itself

*Consumer Suggestion: Well John...

*Consumer Suggestion: Well John...

*Consumer Suggestion: Well John...

*Consumer Suggestion: Well John...

*Consumer Comment: Bush supporters are NAIVE!

*Consumer Suggestion: President Bush owes us a plan for success in Iraq. A plan with real milestones, not one with a litany of slogans.

*Consumer Suggestion: I did give a solution Vera

*Consumer Suggestion: James in Canada What gives you the right?

*Consumer Comment: Vera

*Consumer Comment: Vera

*Consumer Comment: Vera

*Consumer Comment: Vera

*Consumer Suggestion: Something written by a "Smart American"

*Consumer Comment: if you can't present hard, factual evidence that supports your claim, then shut up and let the grown-ups talk.

*Consumer Comment: Hey James, at least you're good joke material!

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera you don't have to remind me

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Shawn... I hope you were trying to show where Bush is an absolute fraud, as that is the proof you posted.

*Consumer Suggestion: James... although I agree with you

*Consumer Comment: Let the man speak!

*Consumer Comment: You have only your own half wit remarks to blame

*Consumer Comment: James needs to take a Ba'ath. the Big Wind from Up North

*Consumer Comment: From "Anybody but Bush" to "Anybody but God". Give me a break.

*Consumer Comment: Crude, crude everywhere and not a drop of gas to burn!! Oil companies + politics = broke Americans!

*Consumer Comment: Oh, great, here's another one

*Consumer Comment: Bush needs to be IMPEACHED!!! He is a KILLER!

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush is the worst -U.S. President in history!

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush is the worst -U.S. President in history!

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush is the worst -U.S. President in history!

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush ripoff Bush is a repulsive president who lied to invade a sovereign nation for OIL and hikes the gas prices for Americans! Washington DC

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush ripoff Bush is a repulsive president who lied to invade a sovereign nation for OIL and hikes the gas prices for Americans! Washington DC

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush ripoff Bush is a repulsive president who lied to invade a sovereign nation for OIL and hikes the gas prices for Americans! Washington DC

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush ripoff Bush is a repulsive president who lied to invade a sovereign nation for OIL and hikes the gas prices for Americans! Washington DC

*Consumer Suggestion: Well we certainly have some intelligent posts this time.

*Consumer Suggestion: Well we certainly have some intelligent posts this time.

*Consumer Suggestion: Well we certainly have some intelligent posts this time.

*Consumer Suggestion: Well we certainly have some intelligent posts this time.

*Consumer Comment: Why so defensive?

*Consumer Comment: Nice, I present facts, you spin it into a personal attack...typical

*Consumer Comment: Vera Vera Vera.....

*Consumer Comment: The Grand Juries are in, Bush & Cheney have been indicted... waiting for major media announcement

*Consumer Comment: Vera, the magnitude of your patriotism is amazing

*Consumer Comment: My nominations.

*Consumer Comment: Sneaking into the movie theater - All things aside, Bush is a flaming MORON...but has a sneaky side to him to rival anyone.

*Consumer Comment: Sneaking into the movie theater - All things aside, Bush is a flaming MORON...but has a sneaky side to him to rival anyone.

*Consumer Comment: Sneaking into the movie theater - All things aside, Bush is a flaming MORON...but has a sneaky side to him to rival anyone.

*Consumer Comment: Sneaking into the movie theater - All things aside, Bush is a flaming MORON...but has a sneaky side to him to rival anyone.

*Consumer Comment: Once again...Blahh-Blahh-Blahh and no facts.

*Consumer Comment: Harriet Miers - another Bush rip-off?

*Consumer Suggestion: My two cents

*Consumer Suggestion: It's the most idiotic posts contest!

*Consumer Suggestion: Ok guys I don't have all the facts in front of me... but...

*Consumer Comment: Ben from Cali Was right on Point...But...

*Consumer Comment: Jason? Spin?

*Consumer Comment: Jason? Spin?

*Consumer Comment: Jason? Spin?

*Consumer Comment: Jason? Spin?

*Consumer Comment: Your lips keep moving, but all I hear is "Blahh..Blahh..Blahh..."

*Consumer Comment: Just my thoughts

*Consumer Comment: Just my thoughts

*Consumer Comment: Dateline: Kabul, Afghanistan

*Consumer Comment: Vera , Just what was it that these folks did that put you over the edge and dive head first into the Twilight Zone?

*Consumer Comment: Vera , Just what was it that these folks did that put you over the edge and dive head first into the Twilight Zone?

*Consumer Comment: Vera , Just what was it that these folks did that put you over the edge and dive head first into the Twilight Zone?

*Consumer Comment: Vera , Just what was it that these folks did that put you over the edge and dive head first into the Twilight Zone?

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Jon .. come back to these posts in a year, two years, 3 years from now & see who was right

*Consumer Comment: Ben, Forget about Vera and her underlings.

*Consumer Comment: How Rude! Please pull your head outta your a*s before speaking.

*Consumer Comment: How Rude! Please pull your head outta your a*s before speaking.

*Consumer Comment: How Rude! Please pull your head outta your a*s before speaking.

*Consumer Comment: How Rude! Please pull your head outta your a*s before speaking.

*Consumer Comment: Just another liberal overreaction to the war...

*Consumer Comment: Just another liberal overreaction to the war...

*Consumer Comment: Just another liberal overreaction to the war...

*Consumer Comment: h*o, Boy!!

*Consumer Comment: My thoughts are exactly that

*Consumer Suggestion: For your information Vera

*Consumer Comment: The Iraq war...... an equation...

*Consumer Comment: The Iraq war...... an equation...

*Consumer Comment: The Iraq war...... an equation...

*Consumer Comment: The Iraq war...... an equation...

*Consumer Suggestion: Forceing anyone to do anything against their will is barbaric to say the least.

*Consumer Comment: James is delusional as always

*Consumer Suggestion: Shawn & B

*Consumer Comment: Well B, you and James are the only two who can't seem to read

*Consumer Comment: Poor James....

*Consumer Comment: Poor James....

*Consumer Comment: Poor James....

*Consumer Comment: Poor James....

*Consumer Comment: hee hee hee

*Consumer Comment: The Two Main Reasons Why 9/11 Took Place (My opinion)

*Consumer Suggestion: Then what is your suggestion?? You all b***h and moan and do everything but come up with a viable solution.

*Consumer Comment: Get real....

*Consumer Comment: UNSCR687 does not authorize any military response

*Consumer Comment: James you're dilusional!

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey B. I don't think Nuclear Bombs in the Middle East going off is really an issue.

*Consumer Comment: Good one "B"

*Consumer Suggestion: You sure do your research Shawn, but still you say nothing about Iraq. Not a d**n word!

*Consumer Suggestion: Well as usual....

*Consumer Comment: A little background on UNSC resolutions

*Consumer Comment: Jon, James, James,and now Liam - what facts support your opinions??

*Consumer Comment: Jon, James, James,and now Liam - what facts support your opinions??

*Consumer Comment: Jon, James, James,and now Liam - what facts support your opinions??

*Consumer Comment: Jon, James, James,and now Liam - what facts support your opinions??

*Consumer Comment: Oh, Brother... give 'em facts, and they claim boredom...

*Consumer Comment: The Most Realistic Post So Far

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera calling the kettle black!

*Consumer Comment: Hey Genius!

*Consumer Comment: Hey Genius!

*Consumer Comment: ARE YOU FOR REAL???????

*Consumer Suggestion: Vera ..you take the cake!

*Consumer Suggestion: Oh Liam

*Consumer Suggestion: Oh Liam

*Consumer Suggestion: Oh Liam

*Consumer Suggestion: Oh Liam

*Consumer Comment: Forget Clinton & Kerry, Never Mention their Name Once

*Consumer Comment: Forget Clinton & Kerry, Never Mention their Name Once

*Consumer Comment: Forget Clinton & Kerry, Never Mention their Name Once

*Consumer Comment: Forget Clinton & Kerry, Never Mention their Name Once

*Consumer Comment: LINING POCKETS, NOT LEVEES

*Consumer Comment: Yet another response to the Disinformatzia....

*Consumer Comment: Take a look at yourselves

*Consumer Suggestion: Shawn & Robert The USA was not about to be invaded!

*Consumer Suggestion: Shawn & Robert The USA was not about to be invaded!

*Consumer Comment: Typical James, Read enough to support you then stop

*Consumer Suggestion: Is this your proof Robert?

*Consumer Suggestion: Stay abreast of the news folks

*Consumer Comment: James and James Go to United Nations Security Council Resolution

*Consumer Suggestion: Wow... I can only listen but so much.

*Consumer Comment: Good one Daniel

*Consumer Suggestion: Your forgetting one thing Shawn

*Consumer Comment: "The Bigger The Lie, The More People Who Believe It! It

*Consumer Comment: "The Bigger The Lie, The More People Who Believe It! It

*Consumer Comment: "The Bigger The Lie, The More People Who Believe It! It

*Consumer Comment: "The Bigger The Lie, The More People Who Believe It! It

*Consumer Comment: War on Iraq is not entireley illegal

*Consumer Suggestion: Here we go continueing the spin

*Consumer Suggestion: Oh Gee... & People Call Me Lost!

*Consumer Comment: Google link works

*Consumer Comment: We all are intitled to our beliefs, Right or Wrong!

*Consumer Comment: My God, what a TOOL....

*Consumer Comment: You got me, but that don't change the facts!

*Consumer Comment: I've been ripped off

*Consumer Suggestion: Well Vera lets count your supporters shall we?

*Consumer Comment: To our chest-beating (Legends In Their Own Minds) friends....

*Consumer Suggestion: USA starts minding its own business & then the terrorists will do the same.

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Jon

*Consumer Comment: Ignorance is Bliss

*Consumer Comment: It's Reallty Pretty Simple - Every action he has taken specifically benefits the rich & wealthy in this and other nations.

*Consumer Suggestion: Facts are not really relevant

*Consumer Comment: Wow! I've been away a while, and LOOK...!

*Consumer Comment: You're getting boring now

*Consumer Suggestion: However you are repeating yourself. We moved on to Sheehan!

*Consumer Suggestion: Robert

*Consumer Suggestion: Micheal from Bountiful

*Consumer Suggestion: James they attack before we invaded

*Consumer Comment: Bush needs to be IMPEACHED!!

*Consumer Suggestion: Shawn & Robert & Craig

*Consumer Comment: Putting people in jail?

*Consumer Comment: Putting people in jail?

*Consumer Comment: Putting people in jail?

*Consumer Comment: Maybe vaporizing some of their holy land will keep them in their caves for a while.

*Consumer Comment: REALITY CHECK

*Consumer Suggestion: Robert, Throwing people in jail to attempt to silence them? Come on, I thought your worst President for pulling tricks like that was Nixon!

*Consumer Comment: Are you trying to be serious James?

*Consumer Comment: James, stop PLEASE!!!

*Consumer Comment: town full of computer owning unemployed rednecks?

*Consumer Suggestion: everyone thought he had WMD - Terrorist are like the old southern ractist, they're raised to hate

*Consumer Comment: Do you ever read what you write before posting it?

*Consumer Comment: Not one person's statement/s are 100% correct

*Consumer Suggestion: & to you John;

*Consumer Comment: James, you need to learn about International Law and what a CEASE-FIRE is

*Consumer Suggestion: Well I could forgive John;

*Consumer Comment: James, Do you put all your faith in Polls?

*Consumer Comment: That's the best one yet, James!

*Consumer Comment: Both parties are guilty of the same thing- stereotyping to the extreme

*Consumer Suggestion: For those that trust Bush & Fox News

*Consumer Suggestion: Oh Robert... about N. Korea;

*Consumer Suggestion: For once Vera you make some points

*Consumer Comment: Okay Finnigan let's begin again...

*Consumer Comment: Right! Liberalism IS a Mental Disorder.

*Consumer Suggestion: your tax dollars that are paying towards your own destruction.

*Consumer Comment: James, you haven't proved anything...

*Consumer Suggestion: I personally am Conservative & if I lived in the States I would most likely be Republican. However I could not back George Bush! He has been ripping off the American people since his first election

*Consumer Comment: Original Topic Lost in the FLAMES

*Consumer Suggestion: And to Vera;

*Consumer Suggestion: Robert I posted proof of what is true

*Consumer Comment: George W. Bush has always liked killing!!

*Consumer Comment: Five posts in succession! A personal best for James!

*Consumer Comment: I'll try this again - Every single point you try to make gets easier to disprove

*Consumer Suggestion: About Isreal

*Consumer Suggestion: As far as Robert's Proof Goes....

*Consumer Suggestion: Robert, You are the only one on this thread that still believes Iraq had WMD's Now all I ask is for proof.

*Consumer Suggestion: Oh & B... about 911

*Consumer Comment: seriously misinformed

*Consumer Comment: James: For Your Eyes Only

*Consumer Suggestion: Ok B, you have points

*Consumer Comment: Planes, subs, WMD and tact

*Consumer Suggestion: Now if you are a little bit curios

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey B. If you ever thought you got by me, you were mistaken.

*Consumer Comment: James, your slip is showing

*Consumer Comment: Yea, though I walk through the valley of pollution and war, I will find no exit, for thou art in office.

*Consumer Suggestion: & for you Patrick, Back to the discussion. WMD's & the fact that the USA is illegally in Iraq & causing terrorism.

*Consumer Comment: Unbelievable attitude.

*Consumer Suggestion: Well I sure have lots to respond to...

*Consumer Comment: Aww, shucks, Vera

*Consumer Comment: Buy a map everyone!

*Consumer Comment: For more yuks about our friend in the Great White North.

*Consumer Comment: Things that make ya go "hmmmmmmh"....

*Consumer Comment: Typical Defense of the Bushites

*Consumer Comment: Here ya go B

*Consumer Suggestion: Not much new here... still sitting on the edge of my seat.

*Consumer Comment: Loose ends for Calgary James & Florida Robert

*Consumer Comment: See what I mean?

*Consumer Comment: i hope it is worth it.

*Consumer Comment: Good Grief!

*Consumer Comment: "Semper viglio, paratus, et fidelis...." By golly!

*Consumer Suggestion: Gee Robert from Florida... is that the best you can do?

*Consumer Comment: I'll take that challenge ..Please explain Bush's poor attempt at humor when he joked about not finding WMD's under a podium at a black tie dinner attended by "The Have's".

*Consumer Suggestion: Proof you guys!

*Consumer Suggestion: Gee "B" & I was praising your intelligence

*Consumer Comment: Sorry Greg, you are mistaken

*Consumer Suggestion: Gee another "smart American"

*Consumer Comment: Bushites, Please Explain....

*Consumer Suggestion: Wow... a lot of garbage, with 1 smart person injecting

*Consumer Comment: James, James, James - Nobody complains about the other 150+ countries who are delinquent, just if the US is overdue.

*Consumer Comment: Allah, be praised! I now understand.

*Consumer Comment: To Bush supporters: Are your offspring in war?

*Consumer Comment: Little do ye know

*Consumer Comment: Whoa, its flyin' so thick I can't even see the point anymore

*Consumer Comment: I found James' book of "facts"

*Consumer Comment: Can you EVER be correct James?

*Consumer Comment: Someone should feel sorry for me? Why? Do I have a relative in Canada I don't know about?

*Consumer Comment: Here's to the Canadian education system!

*Consumer Suggestion: Horray Beth Quinn!

*Consumer Suggestion: Robert from Florida - Why shouldn't "every Country" in the World have a seat in the UN, & equally pay for it's upkeep

*Consumer Comment: seditionist pig

*Consumer Comment: Too funny

*Consumer Comment: Oh Really?...Just the facts please!

*Consumer Comment: George is worst natural disaster to hit country

*Consumer Comment: Wow James! Now it's trucks.

*Consumer Comment: Wow James! Now it's trucks.

*Consumer Comment: Wow James! Now it's trucks.

*Consumer Comment: Wow James! Now it's trucks.

*Consumer Suggestion: Robert from Florida

*Consumer Suggestion: Oh & poor Dear Vera... 100% of your post only bashes "with no evidence given"

*Consumer Comment: Ackk. You're boring me now, James.... now, you just sound more like a loon.

*Consumer Suggestion: Umm... Robert from Florida ..Better go back to the books there Robert!

*Consumer Comment: I can't Understand your accent. Try talking AROUND the turd.

*Consumer Suggestion: As for you Vera...

*Consumer Comment: More false information from James

*Consumer Suggestion: Robert from Florida

*Consumer Comment: For the idiot James in Canada.

*Consumer Comment: My God your daft

*Consumer Comment: Robert from Dallas

*Consumer Suggestion: Robert from Florida

*Consumer Comment: Okay Sheeple of the United States

*Consumer Comment: Okay Sheeple of the United States

*Consumer Comment: Okay Sheeple of the United States

*Consumer Comment: Okay Sheeple of the United States

*Consumer Suggestion: Robert from Florida

*Consumer Comment: From Robert TX to Robert FL..... what part of "not endorsing" do you not understand?

*Consumer Comment: Now, there's a serious interview for ya

*Consumer Suggestion: As a matter of fact... Just look at the end of Clinton's talk

*Consumer Suggestion: Good for Clinton!

*Consumer Comment: Excuse me Robert in Texas

*Consumer Comment: NEWS FLASH: How a former President sees what Bush is doing to America. This country will be ka-trillions of dollars in debt when Bush is through with it.

*Consumer Comment: James, you just get dumber with every post.

*Consumer Suggestion: Say Ben... good post! I don't know how these Religeous Zealots have gotten in the drivers seat of the Republican Party!

*Consumer Suggestion: Robert & Patrick... 2 peas in a pod!

*Consumer Comment: James, Stop! You are getting goofier with every post. What are you smoking?

*Consumer Comment: To James in Calgary.

*Consumer Suggestion: It is about money! However you do not have to make anyone do anything to call him a "terrorist".

*Consumer Suggestion: James, Calm down! - The war in Iraq is a "loosing battle" & that is it!

*Consumer Suggestion: James, Calm down!

*Consumer Comment: Who gave the United States the authority to rule the world?????

*Consumer Comment: Huh, it is so funny that George Bush Jr. was a drunk!

*Consumer Suggestion: Clinton left with the "highest popularity rating" of any President

*Consumer Suggestion: Once again.....its that "God" thing again......

*Consumer Comment: Okay, now that that's outta the way. I don't believe President Bush is perfect, but I don't think he's a monster, either

*Consumer Comment: Okay, now that that's outta the way. I don't believe President Bush is perfect, but I don't think he's a monster, either

*Consumer Comment: Okay, now that that's outta the way. I don't believe President Bush is perfect, but I don't think he's a monster, either

*Consumer Comment: Okay, now that that's outta the way. I don't believe President Bush is perfect, but I don't think he's a monster, either

*Consumer Suggestion: The fact is "Dear Patrick", that the USA has never really done anybody any real favors!

*Consumer Comment: Kudos to Vera and Robert. - I voted for Bush. My opinion was that he was the better of the two candidates.

*Consumer Comment: Kudos to Vera and Robert. - I voted for Bush. My opinion was that he was the better of the two candidates.

*Consumer Comment: Kudos to Vera and Robert. - I voted for Bush. My opinion was that he was the better of the two candidates.

*Consumer Suggestion: I bring up the past, as you people "down south" have such a misguided "Propaganda system" that you go on believing, that you have been the "saviors of the world" & that you continue to be, as you invade, Vietnam, Nicarauga, Iraq, Afganistan.. who's next!

*Consumer Suggestion: Dear Shari.. I am Canadian & I "do" live in a land with free speach.

*Consumer Suggestion: Dear Shari.. I am Canadian & I "do" live in a land with free speach.

*Consumer Suggestion: Dear Shari.. I am Canadian & I "do" live in a land with free speach.

*Consumer Suggestion: Dear Shari.. I am Canadian & I "do" live in a land with free speach.

*Consumer Comment: I applaud the ones who recognize the truth! ..WAR is ALL about Big Business, making millions and billions on our troops deaths

*Consumer Comment: As for the Canadians that respond to what our President does ..why do you care in the first place?

*Consumer Comment: As for the Canadians that respond to what our President does ..why do you care in the first place?

*Consumer Comment: As for the Canadians that respond to what our President does ..why do you care in the first place?

*Consumer Comment: As for the Canadians that respond to what our President does ..why do you care in the first place?

*Consumer Suggestion: Good Job "B"!

*Consumer Comment: Yes, I do have much to say...and wait! Heres More!

*Consumer Comment: Bush supporters unable to offer any coherent evidence he is not a rip-off!

*Consumer Comment: I've been silent up to now

*Consumer Suggestion: They bend and twist to every little special interest group that comes along

*Consumer Suggestion: To people like Vera... ..indescriminant bombing of other Countries that the USA has no right pulling "rank" in, will only bring that conclusion faster to the rest of the world. For many Countries, "terrorism" is the only way to fight American. Tyranny!

*Consumer Suggestion: To people like Vera... ..indescriminant bombing of other Countries that the USA has no right pulling "rank" in, will only bring that conclusion faster to the rest of the world. For many Countries, "terrorism" is the only way to fight American. Tyranny!

*Consumer Suggestion: To people like Vera... ..indescriminant bombing of other Countries that the USA has no right pulling "rank" in, will only bring that conclusion faster to the rest of the world. For many Countries, "terrorism" is the only way to fight American. Tyranny!

*Consumer Suggestion: To people like Vera... ..indescriminant bombing of other Countries that the USA has no right pulling "rank" in, will only bring that conclusion faster to the rest of the world. For many Countries, "terrorism" is the only way to fight American. Tyranny!

*Consumer Comment: You didn't ask, but here's my take....

*Consumer Suggestion: Yes Stacey, we could all do that...

*Consumer Comment: I know why Bush was elected now!!!

*Consumer Comment: Missing the BIG picture.

*Consumer Comment: a conservative NOT bitching about the bj

*Consumer Comment: Coming Up on 2020 - TOMORROW! Friday, Sept. 9, at 10 p.m. ET ,,,DEAD WRONG! ...Colin Powell the president's point man, see him tell how he was DUPED! ..another Republican lie that killed American innocent Americans!

*Consumer Suggestion: Conservative moaning

*Consumer Comment: Whee! Some of you almost get it! As G.W. would say "We are making real progress now".

*Consumer Comment: I also find it funny that people are blaming Hurricane Katrina on Bush. Dummies, the morons that are in charge on Louisiana have only themselves to blame for that fiasco.

*Consumer Comment: LMAO - The war is not about oil. I'm not a cheerleader for Bush. I think he's a good president

*Consumer Comment: LMAO - The war is not about oil. I'm not a cheerleader for Bush. I think he's a good president

*Consumer Comment: Faith is a good thing. Extremism is a dangerous thing.

*Consumer Comment: Faith is a good thing. Extremism is a dangerous thing.

*Consumer Comment: More hate spewing from the liberals

*Consumer Comment: Bush the Elder sanctioned genocide...Clinton took care of it!

*Consumer Suggestion: sure, blame the other side.

*Consumer Suggestion: Liberals prove it again

*Consumer Suggestion: Liberals prove it again

*Consumer Suggestion: Liberals prove it again

*Consumer Suggestion: Liberals prove it again

*Consumer Comment: Yes, this belongs in Ripoffreport!

*Consumer Comment: Bush

*Consumer Comment: Serious Lack of Leadership II

*Consumer Comment: Robert- Dallas ,Texas you are soooo right!

*Consumer Comment: Robert- Dallas ,Texas you are soooo right!

*Consumer Comment: Robert- Dallas ,Texas you are soooo right!

*Consumer Comment: Bush-whacked brain dead people; tell it to New Orleans! "King George", in all his incompetence, lets people die while he fiddles.

*Consumer Comment: Bush Lied; Thousands Died

*Consumer Suggestion: Commies? CNN?

*Consumer Suggestion: Commies? CNN?

*Consumer Suggestion: Commies? CNN?

*Consumer Suggestion: Commies? CNN?

*Consumer Comment: The Communist News Network (CNN)

*Consumer Suggestion: Attacks?...since 9/11??

*Author of original report: Members of Bush Administration needed to replace a lightbulb

*Consumer Comment: Once again James..... how shallow the gene pool is in Tupper Lake

*Consumer Comment: I think I would run on the "America First" platform, not the "Nuke the World" platform.

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: You foolish people believe what you want! Bush-pig will be soon gone and My Lady Hillary Clinton will be the new president.

*Consumer Comment: how many terrorist attacks have happened in America since 9/11? Bush is doing great!

*Consumer Suggestion: Black and White?

*Consumer Comment: Remembering this is a Consumer rip-off forum...

*Consumer Comment: For Steph in IL. I am pro-Bush, and I fully support our troops around the world

*Consumer Comment: the f head you are referring to...

*Consumer Comment: most "liberals" are the most intolerant people I know

*Consumer Comment: Sherri- California- are you willing to go to Iraq?

*Consumer Comment: WHINE, WHINE, GET OVER IT!

*Author of original report: To all you dumb idiots that support dumb Bush. Watch the CNN feature on this liar called DEAD WRONG!

*Consumer Comment: How can you tell when George W. Bush is lying?

*Consumer Comment: How can you tell when George W. Bush is lying?

*Consumer Comment: How can you tell when George W. Bush is lying?

*Consumer Comment: We are a Capitalist Society

*Consumer Suggestion: Remember

*Consumer Comment: Can any Liberals speak civillaly?

*Consumer Suggestion: Funny....I thought.......

*Consumer Suggestion: Funny....I thought.......

*Consumer Suggestion: Funny....I thought.......

*Consumer Suggestion: Funny....I thought.......

*Consumer Comment: fair enough

*Consumer Comment: fair enough

*Consumer Comment: fair enough

*Consumer Comment: fair enough

*Consumer Comment: Michael, from Utah, When Clinton was prez life was better.

*Consumer Comment: Michael, from Utah, When Clinton was prez life was better.

*Consumer Comment: Michael, from Utah, When Clinton was prez life was better.

*Consumer Comment: Michael, from Utah, When Clinton was prez life was better.

*Consumer Comment: you have the nerve to call Republicans stupid

*Consumer Comment: not your president?

*Consumer Comment: getting out of hand

*Consumer Comment: getting out of hand

*Consumer Comment: getting out of hand

*Consumer Suggestion: I can't believe how stupid some of you people are.

*Consumer Comment: REBECCA, OBVIOUSLY NO ONE IS "HOLDING BACK"

*Consumer Comment: Steal the election?

*Consumer Comment: I totally agree!

*Consumer Comment: Isn't it odd

*Consumer Comment: Blind Trust

*Consumer Comment: You pathetic Moron

*Consumer Comment: If we just wanted the oil...

*Consumer Comment: Your argument about oil is rediculous.

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George Walker Bush:



This poor excuse of a president has taken the huge surplus President Clinton gave us and has put us in the red-meaning the hole. He got us in a war 6 months after stealing the election and claimed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, of course, that was untrue. Yet we still keep losing troops to this day and he still incists we stay in the war to keep America Strong.

Well I think this Dictator is an a**hole, war monger. Bush I hear you are needing troops soon? Hey why not send your daughters?
They are old enough for draft.

James
Tupper Lake, New York
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

'OIL'RAQ...

AUTHOR: Karl - (USA)

can be typed in at this site. Just type in- 'OIL'RAQ, and read the related Ripoff Reports for important information. Thank you.

"Knowledge is power."

POWER TO THE PEOPLE

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#2 Consumer Comment

Kentucky voted for mccain

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I still can't believe mccain Is going to run In 2012. He will be 80 years old. He has been rejected In 3 elections. Why does he put himself threw this. He was with bush all the way.


This country could not take anymore of the republicans.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Kentucky voted for mccain

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I still can't believe mccain Is going to run In 2012. He will be 80 years old. He has been rejected In 3 elections. Why does he put himself threw this. He was with bush all the way.


This country could not take anymore of the republicans.
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#4 Consumer Comment

Kentucky voted for mccain

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I still can't believe mccain Is going to run In 2012. He will be 80 years old. He has been rejected In 3 elections. Why does he put himself threw this. He was with bush all the way.


This country could not take anymore of the republicans.
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#5 Consumer Comment

Kentucky voted for mccain

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I still can't believe mccain Is going to run In 2012. He will be 80 years old. He has been rejected In 3 elections. Why does he put himself threw this. He was with bush all the way.


This country could not take anymore of the republicans.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Get over it

AUTHOR: Deb - (U.S.A.)

This is a site to report companies that rip-off consumers. Stop drinking the kool-aid and get a life. I don't like the current president, but you don't see me filing a rip-off report. If you constantly live in the past you might not see what's in your future.
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#7 Consumer Comment

I see no mature adults on this site

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I see no mature adults on this site, only big babies like your typical high school bullies.


And businesses who don't like being exposed on this site.
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#8 Consumer Comment

Why xdo you keep pretending to know what you are talking about? Leave this type of discussion for the adults deadbeat.

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

When are you finally going to sell the computer and pay all the people/companies you owe money to deadbeat?

'All presidents go back on there promises'

>> So what? This isn't news.

'All presidents go back on there promises.'

>> We heard you the first time.

'So these mccain lovers don't have the right to punish or condom him.'

>> What is this babble suppose to mean?

'Bush went back on every single promise he made, during his run for president.'

>> And yet, you can not name one that he did.

'Know look where this country Is today.'

>> What? You mean with scumbags like you posting fraudulent reports and stealing our tax money instead of going out and getting a job you leech?


'Bush has ruined this country, these mccain lovers & palin lovers are bitter & pissed cause they lost!.'

>> And yet you again have not one fact to back anything you say up.


'Republican's will never get a chance to destroy this country ever again, so there bitterness bitching & moaning will not help them get elected.'

>> No one has destroyed it to begin with so why are you lying?


'When the republican's lose there power, that hate It.'

>> And you have proof of this where?

Perhaps you should focus more on these topics:

- How can you afford a vehicle to go out and cause accidents in if you allegedly have no money?
- How can you afford the exorbitant insurance from the accidents you cause in the vehicle you shouldn't be able to afford if you have no money as you claim in the collection report?
- How can you have any credit card at all if you have no money like you claim in all the collection reports you crap in?
- How can you afford a computer to perpetrate your fraud with if you have no money like you claim in the collection reports you pollute?
- How can you afford an internet connection to perpetrate your fraud if you allegedly have no money as you claim?
- How can you afford an attorney for all these alleged lawsuits you claim to be filing if you have no money like you claim?
- Why did you get a cellphone you knew you couldn't afford when you have no money as you claim?
- Why haven't you paid the people you have owed money to for a long time?
- How can you be buying your panties and dresses off QVC if you have no money?
- When are you going to apologize for lying to Steve as was proven about allegedly not being on some sort of meds? Or are you not on meds? Which is the lie?
- When are you finally going to leave us like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report so that isn't also one of your many lies?
- When are you finally going to answer the legitimate questions asked of you?
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#9 Consumer Comment

Bush promised the samething

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Bush promised the samething. Bush said the "The terrorist responsible would be punished". The real terrorist who did this evil deed was bin ladin, I don't care how his name Is spelled.

I hated saddam hussien to, but he wasn't behind 09/11/2001. Bin ladin Is laughing @ us the stupid americans. So bin ladin will never be brought to justice.

Thank's alot bush for going back on your promise to get bin laden. What did we ever do to bin laden, to get him to hate us nothing. He hates the united states.

Because we have the most freedon, we are not completely free though. People have to work & obey laws. But we still have more freedom the any other countries.

They also kill q***r's In other countries. They would not allowed q***r marriage In any other country.

But sense people are tolerating q***r marriage, & more people are turning agaisnt god.

He Is not helping us or protecting us like he used to.

I believe god sent hurricane katrinia, but that still didn't make people turn from there wicked ways.

God Is telling us something threw these bad storms.
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#10 Consumer Comment

Why xdo you keep pretending to know what you are talking about? Leave this type of discussion for the adults deadbeat.

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

When are you finally going to sell the computer and pay all the people/companies you owe money to deadbeat?

'All presidents go back on there promises'

>> So what? This isn't news.

'All presidents go back on there promises.'

>> We heard you the first time.

'So these mccain lovers don't have the right to punish or condom him.'

>> What is this babble suppose to mean?

'Bush went back on every single promise he made, during his run for president.'

>> And yet, you can not name one that he did.

'Know look where this country Is today.'

>> What? You mean with scumbags like you posting fraudulent reports and stealing our tax money instead of going out and getting a job you leech?


'Bush has ruined this country, these mccain lovers & palin lovers are bitter & pissed cause they lost!.'

>> And yet you again have not one fact to back anything you say up.


'Republican's will never get a chance to destroy this country ever again, so there bitterness bitching & moaning will not help them get elected.'

>> No one has destroyed it to begin with so why are you lying?


'When the republican's lose there power, that hate It.'

>> And you have proof of this where?

Perhaps you should focus more on these topics:

- How can you afford a vehicle to go out and cause accidents in if you allegedly have no money?
- How can you afford the exorbitant insurance from the accidents you cause in the vehicle you shouldn't be able to afford if you have no money as you claim in the collection report?
- How can you have any credit card at all if you have no money like you claim in all the collection reports you crap in?
- How can you afford a computer to perpetrate your fraud with if you have no money like you claim in the collection reports you pollute?
- How can you afford an internet connection to perpetrate your fraud if you allegedly have no money as you claim?
- How can you afford an attorney for all these alleged lawsuits you claim to be filing if you have no money like you claim?
- Why did you get a cellphone you knew you couldn't afford when you have no money as you claim?
- Why haven't you paid the people you have owed money to for a long time?
- How can you be buying your panties and dresses off QVC if you have no money?
- When are you going to apologize for lying to Steve as was proven about allegedly not being on some sort of meds? Or are you not on meds? Which is the lie?
- When are you finally going to leave us like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report so that isn't also one of your many lies?
- When are you finally going to answer the legitimate questions asked of you?
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#11 Consumer Comment

Why xdo you keep pretending to know what you are talking about? Leave this type of discussion for the adults deadbeat.

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

When are you finally going to sell the computer and pay all the people/companies you owe money to deadbeat?

'All presidents go back on there promises'

>> So what? This isn't news.

'All presidents go back on there promises.'

>> We heard you the first time.

'So these mccain lovers don't have the right to punish or condom him.'

>> What is this babble suppose to mean?

'Bush went back on every single promise he made, during his run for president.'

>> And yet, you can not name one that he did.

'Know look where this country Is today.'

>> What? You mean with scumbags like you posting fraudulent reports and stealing our tax money instead of going out and getting a job you leech?


'Bush has ruined this country, these mccain lovers & palin lovers are bitter & pissed cause they lost!.'

>> And yet you again have not one fact to back anything you say up.


'Republican's will never get a chance to destroy this country ever again, so there bitterness bitching & moaning will not help them get elected.'

>> No one has destroyed it to begin with so why are you lying?


'When the republican's lose there power, that hate It.'

>> And you have proof of this where?

Perhaps you should focus more on these topics:

- How can you afford a vehicle to go out and cause accidents in if you allegedly have no money?
- How can you afford the exorbitant insurance from the accidents you cause in the vehicle you shouldn't be able to afford if you have no money as you claim in the collection report?
- How can you have any credit card at all if you have no money like you claim in all the collection reports you crap in?
- How can you afford a computer to perpetrate your fraud with if you have no money like you claim in the collection reports you pollute?
- How can you afford an internet connection to perpetrate your fraud if you allegedly have no money as you claim?
- How can you afford an attorney for all these alleged lawsuits you claim to be filing if you have no money like you claim?
- Why did you get a cellphone you knew you couldn't afford when you have no money as you claim?
- Why haven't you paid the people you have owed money to for a long time?
- How can you be buying your panties and dresses off QVC if you have no money?
- When are you going to apologize for lying to Steve as was proven about allegedly not being on some sort of meds? Or are you not on meds? Which is the lie?
- When are you finally going to leave us like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report so that isn't also one of your many lies?
- When are you finally going to answer the legitimate questions asked of you?
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#12 Consumer Comment

Why xdo you keep pretending to know what you are talking about? Leave this type of discussion for the adults deadbeat.

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

When are you finally going to sell the computer and pay all the people/companies you owe money to deadbeat?

'All presidents go back on there promises'

>> So what? This isn't news.

'All presidents go back on there promises.'

>> We heard you the first time.

'So these mccain lovers don't have the right to punish or condom him.'

>> What is this babble suppose to mean?

'Bush went back on every single promise he made, during his run for president.'

>> And yet, you can not name one that he did.

'Know look where this country Is today.'

>> What? You mean with scumbags like you posting fraudulent reports and stealing our tax money instead of going out and getting a job you leech?


'Bush has ruined this country, these mccain lovers & palin lovers are bitter & pissed cause they lost!.'

>> And yet you again have not one fact to back anything you say up.


'Republican's will never get a chance to destroy this country ever again, so there bitterness bitching & moaning will not help them get elected.'

>> No one has destroyed it to begin with so why are you lying?


'When the republican's lose there power, that hate It.'

>> And you have proof of this where?

Perhaps you should focus more on these topics:

- How can you afford a vehicle to go out and cause accidents in if you allegedly have no money?
- How can you afford the exorbitant insurance from the accidents you cause in the vehicle you shouldn't be able to afford if you have no money as you claim in the collection report?
- How can you have any credit card at all if you have no money like you claim in all the collection reports you crap in?
- How can you afford a computer to perpetrate your fraud with if you have no money like you claim in the collection reports you pollute?
- How can you afford an internet connection to perpetrate your fraud if you allegedly have no money as you claim?
- How can you afford an attorney for all these alleged lawsuits you claim to be filing if you have no money like you claim?
- Why did you get a cellphone you knew you couldn't afford when you have no money as you claim?
- Why haven't you paid the people you have owed money to for a long time?
- How can you be buying your panties and dresses off QVC if you have no money?
- When are you going to apologize for lying to Steve as was proven about allegedly not being on some sort of meds? Or are you not on meds? Which is the lie?
- When are you finally going to leave us like you promised in your fraudulent schneider report so that isn't also one of your many lies?
- When are you finally going to answer the legitimate questions asked of you?
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#13 Consumer Comment

All presidents go back on there promises

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

All presidents go back on there promises. So these mccain lovers don't have the right to punish or condom him. Bush went back on every single promise he made, during his run for president. Know look where this country Is today.


Bush has ruined this country, these mccain lovers & palin lovers are bitter & pissed cause they lost!.


Republican's will never get a chance to destroy this country ever again, so there bitterness bitching & moaning will not help them get elected.


When the republican's lose there power, that hate It.
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#14 Consumer Comment

For Misty...

AUTHOR: Striderq - (U.S.A.)

Well, I for one consider him black because that is how he identifies himself. If he presented himself as bi-racial then I would consider him that. But the Liberals demanded that everyone get to self indentify and that everyone else had to accept them as that self indentification. So since he identifies himself as black/African-American then that's what we should consider him as. Now for a question. Since you want people to stop hating on Obama, do you also want people to stop hating on Bush? Only seems fair to me. Or is it that you only want people to stop hating your choice? Any politician will be liked/loved/adored/revered by the people that support his/her party and disliked/hated/dispised by people from the other party. This is the way politics works. It's an us versus them. The best thing we Americans could do is start electing polticians for their views and stands than for the party letter behind their name. I'm registered as a Republican but I support and vote for the person who most closely holds the views that I do. If I have a problem with a poltician it's because of what she/he does/does not do, not because of their party.

But come on folks: This thread is over 4 years old. Bush is no longer President and can not run again. Can't we all just let this thread die and find a better one to post on??
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#15 Consumer Comment

WALL STREET WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HIKE IN GAS PRICES -

AUTHOR: Laurie - (U.S.A.)

During the period the prices went through the roof - the press was claiming it was due to oil shortages - I knew then what I know now - there was NO OIL SHORTAGE - it was the Commodity Futures Markets that falsely raised the price per barrel.

It was the commodity markets - and WALL STREET that raised the PER BARREL PRICE because it was making them money.

Fact of the matter - WALL STREET was not supposed to be in commodities market at all - but they all thought if they all started buying OIL FUTURES at inflated rates, it would make BIG MONEY FOR THEM,

I guess no one noticed that when the economy crashed because of WALL STREET and BANKS buying and selling mortgage backed debts - the OIL PRICES per barrel went down again. WALL STREET PULLED OUT OF THE COMMODITIES MARKET!

THIS WAS EXPLAINED ON THE NEWS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR - but no one pays attention to the news anymore.
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#16 Consumer Comment

~ Stop Hating on Obama ~

AUTHOR: Misty - (U.S.A.)

For all of you out there that is slandering Obama need to really take a look at this whole situation. All of the previous presidents were what? WHITE, and now that a 1/2 breed; bi-racial individual that YOU ALL is considering him BLACK. WHY??????? His Mother was White so why don't people look at that factor first of all. Now that we have this bi-racial individual in the White House, lots of people are saying how much of a p***k up he is. Come on, people.

GET REAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Give him a chance and stop being such JACK ASSES. He's only been in office for less than 6 months and Bush starting phucking up since day 1.

Being African American, it's still hard for a man and/or woman. RACISM STILL EXISTS for all of you out there that doesn't. I see these stickers on the back of peoples' cars saying "NO_OBAMA". Why? He's in there now so stop being a a*****e and deal with it. He never had a chance from jump street because of his race. If you people would stop being so d**n racist and give this man a chance, it may benefit you. If we had McCain in the White House, do you think he would be trying or attempting to draw our troops out of a nonsense war? I don't think so!

And this goes to Tom, you must not have a life to do all of that d**n typing and posting. What does all of that nonsense information proves? Who cares about the people who failed College Exams and such and became a successful actor/actress. You must be a McCain old a*s supporter and upset because Obama swept the electorial votes over him. I know you will probably read this and call me out my name and post some other nonsense BS either about me or OUR PRESIDENT. GO RIGHT AHEAD IF IT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER.
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#17 Consumer Comment

Thanx God for President Bus who kept us safe for over 7 years.... and now for Clinton and Obama

AUTHOR: Tom - (U.S.A.)

To all of you, this was all forwarded to me; altho' I agree with it, I did not know just how evil, self serving and power hungry these two were.

God help us if Hitlery ever gets to be President. Here are some facts about that lying power hungry b***h and her husband. I am passing this on to all of the people who hate the Clinton's as much as I do and also to the naive and uninformed who do NOT know or pretend not to know how bad they were/are for this country. Read the facts and weep and then hide in shame you democrats and Clinton lovers.

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Thank you Bill Clinton for all you have done For, I'm sorry excuse me, To this country

A friend recently saw a bumper sticker that said, "Thank me, I voted for Clinton-Gore." He sat down, reflected on that, and then sent his " Thank you " for what Clinton had done for this country, specifically:

1. Thank you for introducing us to Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Monica Lewinsky, Dolly Kyle Browning, Kathleen Willey, and Juanita Broderick. Did I leave anyone out?

2. Thank you for teaching my 8 year old about oral sex. I had really planned to wait until they were older to discuss it with them, but now they know more about it than I did as a senior in college.

3. Thank you for showing us that having sex in the work place (especially the White House) and on the job is OK as long as the receiving person doesn't consider Fellatio (ORAL stimulation of the p***s) a sex act. It
is enlightening to find out that a sexual act is not really sexual, if one of the people, involved, does not believe the act to be sexual.

4. Thank you for reintroducing the concept of impeachment to a new generation and demonstrating that the ridiculous plot of the movie "Wag the Dog" is real.

5. Thank you for making Jimmy Carter look competent, Gerald Ford look graceful, Richard Nixon look honest, Lyndon Johnson look truthful, and John Kennedy look moral.

6. Thank you for the 73 House and Senate witnesses who have pled the 5th Amendment and 17 witnesses who have fled the country to avoid testifying about your Democratic campaign fund raising.

7. Thank you, for the 19 charges, 8 convictions, and 4 imprisonment's from the Whitewater "mess" and the 55 criminal charges and 32 criminal convictions (so far) in the other "Clinton" scandals.

8. Thank you also for reducing our military by half and putting our country in jeopardy, "gutting" much of our foreign policy, and flying all over the world on "vacations" carefully disguised as necessary trips.

9. Thank you, also, for "finding" millions of dollars--- I really didn't need it in the first place, and I can't think of a more well deserving group of recipients for my hard-earned dollars than jet fuel for all of your globe-trotting. I understand you, the family and your cronies have logged in more time aboard Air Force One than any other administration.

10. Now that you've left the White House, Thank you for the 140 pardons of convicted felons and indicted felons-in-exile. We will love to have them rejoin society.

11. Thank you also for stealing the White House silverware and all of the other items you stole from the Whitehouse that belong to the people and taxpayers of this country. I'm sure that Laura Bush didn't like the pattern anyway. Also, enjoy the housewarming gifts you've received from your "friends,"

12. Thank you to you and your staff in the West Wing of the White House for vandalizing and destroying government property on the way out. I also appreciate your stealing all of that excess weight (China, silverware, linen, towels, ash trays, soap, pens, magnetic compass, flight manuals, etc.) out of Air Force 1. The weight savings means burning less fuel, thus less tax dollars spent on jet fuel. Thank you!

13. Also, please ensure that Hillary enjoys the $8 million dollar advance for her upcoming "tell-all" book and you, Bill, the $10 million advance for your memoirs. Who says crime doesn't pay! What a gal Hillary is!! What a guy you are!!

14. The last and most important point - Thank you for forcing Israel to let Mohammed Atta go free. Terrorist pilot Mohammed Atta blew up a bus in Israel in 1986. The Israelis captured, tried and imprisoned him. As part of the Oslo agreement with the Palestinians in 1993, Israel had to agree to release so-called "political prisoners." However, the Israelis would not release any with blood on their hands. The American President at the time, Bill Clinton, and his Secretary of State, Warren Christopher, "insisted" that all prisoners be released. Thus Mohammed Atta was freed and eventually thanked the U.S. by flying an airplane into Tower One of the World Trade Center. Thanks again Bill. This was reported by many of the American TV networks at the time that the terrorists were first identified. It was censored in the US from all later reports. Why shouldn't Americans know the real truth about what you did? What a guy you are!!

Thank you Bill Clinton for all you have done For, I'm sorry excuse me, To this country

If you agree that the American public must be made aware of these facts, pass this on. God bless America and everyone in it except the two Clintons who are both crooks, thieves and liars.

PS: Please pass along a special Thank you to Al Gore for "inventing" the Internet, without which I would not be able to send this wonderful factual e-mail.

Can you believe there are still naive Americans out there who like Bill Clinton and would vote for him again!! Worse yet - God Forbid, someday that crook Hillary is running for President and these same nave people will vote for her too !!
God Help this country if that ever happens.

God Bless America
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The Clinton Legacy in summary

From an article in The Progressive Review

RECORDS SET - This is factual
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates*
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad

THANK YOU once again "Slick Willy" for spending our taxes so wisely and frugally.



SINCERELY, a US Citizen.

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..and if you think Hillary is any better - read this !!

By Cdr. Hamilton McWhorter USN (ret)
Gold Star Mothers is an organization made up of women whose sons were killed in military combat during service in the United States armed forces. Recently a delegation of New York State Gold Star Mothers made a trip to Washington, DC, to discuss various concerns with their elected representatives. According to published reports, there was only one politician who refused to meet with these ladies. Can you guess which politician that might be? Was it New York Senator Charles Schumer? Nope, he met with them. Try again. Do you know anyone serving in the Senate who has never showed anything but contempt for our military? Do you happen to know the name of any politician in Washington who's husband once wrote of his loathing for the military? Now you're getting warm! You got it! None other than the Queen b***h herself, Hillary Rotten Clinton. She refused repeated requests to meet with the Gold Star Mothers. Now, please don't tell me you're surprised. This woman wants to be president of the United States --- and there is a huge percentage of voters who are eager and stupid enough to help her achieve that goal. May you sleep in peace always...and please...hug or thank a Veteran for that privilege. Think about this one !!!

Don't forget, our girl, Hillary Rotten Clinton, as a New York Senator, now comes under this fancy congressional Retirement and Staffing Plan. It's common knowledge that, in order for her to establish NY state residency, they purchased a million+ dollar house in upscale Chappaqua, NY. Makes sense. Now, they are entitled to Secret Service protection for life. Still makes sense. Here is where it becomes interesting. The mortgage payments hover at about $10,000 per month. BUT, an extra residency had to be built within the acreage in order to house the Secret Service agents. The Clinton's now charge the Secret Service $10,000 monthly rent for the use of said Secret Service residence and that rent is just about equal to their mortgage payment, meaning that we, the tax payers, are paying the Clinton's mortgage, their transportation, their safety and security, their 12 man staff, and it's all perfectly legal.

THANK YOU once again "Slick Willy" for spending our taxes so wisely and frugally.

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A little political review, a time to think & remember... from a Navy man...

After the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, which killed six and injured 1,000:
President Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed five U.S. military personnel:
Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 U.S. military personnel:
Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.

After the 1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000:
Clinton promised that those responsible! would be hunted down and punished.

After the 2000 bombing of the USS Cole, which killed 17 and injured 39 U.S. sailors:
Clinton promised that those responsible would be hunted down and punished.
(He did bomb an aspirin factory).

Maybe if Clinton had kept his promises, the people above and the 3,000 people in New York and Washington, D.C. that are now dead would be alive today.

AN INTERESTING QUESTION: This question was raised on a Philly radio call-in show. Without casting stones, it is a legitimate question. There are two men, both extremely wealthy. One develops relatively cheap software and gives billions of dollars to charity. The other sponsors terrorism. That being the case, why was it that the Clinton administration, the eight years Slick Willy was in office, spent more money chasing down Bill Gates rather than Osama Bin Laden?

THINK ABOUT IT!
It is a strange turn of events. Hillary gets $8 Million for remembering all the details for her forthcoming memoirs. Bill gets about $12 Million for remembering all of the details for his memoirs yet to be written. All of this from two people, while under oath, being unable to recall anything about past events during the 8 years they were in office!

P. S. DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN Please forward this to as many people as you can!

We don't want this woman for President.
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Do we really want two faced Democrats running this country ?? Depending on if it is a political year or not, they change their stories like someone else would change their underwear daily. They are all against the current President for going to war and said there were no weapons of mass destruction and forgot that Saddam used nerve gas on his own people, the Kurds. Read what they all said before Bush did go to war.

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998.

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999.

"There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
Sen. Carl Levin (d, MI), Sept. 19, 2002.

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002.

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force if necessary to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have alway s underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
Sen. Jay Rockerfeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002,

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002.

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. "[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

Sincerely,
Cmdr Hamilton McWhorter
USN (ret)

Remember:
The Alamo
Pearl Harbor
9-11-01
The Clinton Years
All Truly American Disasters! Let's not have another disaster by electing Hillary and BILL again.
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From Dennis Miller

ALL THE RHETORIC ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD HAVE GONE TO WAR AGAINST IRAQ HAS GOT MY INSANE LITTLE BRAIN SPINNING LIKE A ROULETTE WHEEL. I ENJOY READING OPINIONS FROM BOTH SIDES BUT I HAVE DETECTED A HINT OF CONFUSION FROM SOME OF YOU.

AS I WAS READING THE PAPER RECENTLY, I WAS REMINDED OF THE BEST ADVICE SOMEONE EVER GAVE ME. HE TOLD ME ABOUT THE KISS METHOD (KEEP IT SIMPLE, STUPID!) SO, WITH THIS AS A THEME, I'D LIKE TO APPLY THIS THEORY FOR THOSE WHO DON'T QUITE GET IT. MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN SIMPLIFY THINGS A BIT AND RECOGNIZE A FEW IMPORTANT FACTS.

HERE ARE 10 THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN VOICING AN OPINION ON THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE:

1) BETWEEN PRESIDENT BUSH AND SADDAM HUSSEIN ... HUSSEIN WAS THE BAD GUY.

2) IF YOU HAVE FAITH IN THE UNITED NATIONS TO DO THE RIGHT THING KEEP THIS IN MIND, THEY HAVE LIBYA HEADING THE COMMITTEE ON HUMAN RIGHTS AND IRAQ HEADING THE GLOBAL DISARMAMENT COMMITTEE. DO YOUR OWN MATH HERE

3) IF YOU USE GOOGLE SEARCH AND TYPE IN "FRENCH MILITARY VICTORIES," YOUR REPLY WILL BE "DID YOU MEAN FRENCH MILITARY DEFEATS?"

4) IF YOUR ONLY ANTI-WAR SLOGAN IS "NO WAR FOR OIL," SUE YOUR SCHOOL DISTRICT FOR ALLOWING YOU TO SLIP THROUGH THE CRACKS AND ROBBING YOU OF THE EDUCATION YOU OBVIOUSLY DID NOT GET.

5. SADDAM AND BIN LADEN DID NOT SEEK UNITED NATIONS APPROVAL BEFORE THEY TRIED TO KILL AS MANY OF US AS POSSIBLE ON 9/11.

6) DESPITE COMMON BELIEF, MARTIN SHEEN IS NOT THE PRESIDENT. HE PLAYS ONE ON T.V.

7) EVEN IF YOU ARE ANTI-WAR, YOU ARE STILL AN "INFIDEL!" AND BIN LADEN WANTS YOU DEAD, TOO.

8) IF YOU BELIEVE IN A "VAST RIGHT-WING CONSPIRACY" BUT NOT IN THE DANGER THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN AND BIN LADEN POSED, QUIT LISTENING TO THE BIASED MEDIA. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME, IF EVER, THAT THE MEDIA HAS BROADCAST OR PRINTED ALL (OR EVEN ANY) OF THE GOOD THINGS ACCOMPLISHED IN IRAQ SINCE THE COALITION WENT IN TO LIBERATE THEM ?

9) WE ARE NOT TRYING TO OCCUPY IRAQ, WE ARE TRYING TO LIBERATE THEM LIKE WE DID FOR FRANCE - NOTICE HOW QUICKLY FRANCE FORGOT.

10) WHETHER YOU ARE FOR MILITARY ACTION OR AGAINST IT, OUR YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN OVERSEAS ARE FIGHTING FOR US TO DEFEND OUR RIGHT TO SPEAK OUT. WE ALL NEED TO SUPPORT THEM WITHOUT RESERVATION.

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>Who is smarter ?
>The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid", "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American. so - no one is making her stay and we won't miss her when she leaves.
>
>So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant," "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:
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President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998, winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998, Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the Negro vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.)
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Vice President d**k Cheney earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.

Secretary of State Colin Powell was educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in
>ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom,the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in
>his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country.
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>Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval pilot; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of
>Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77.

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge was raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The
>Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam,earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, c*m Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in
>1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in
>Political Science (c*m Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.) She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender
>Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the
>International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett-Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama. She resides in Washington, D.C.
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So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they
are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their educations and background:

Our Hollywood Heroes ? (I'll take John Wayne any day over any of these uninformed self-righteous idiots)
>Barbra Streisand: Completed high school. Career: Singing and acting
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>Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting
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Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career: Acting
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>Jessica Lange: Dropped out of college mid-freshman year. Career: Acting
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>Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal. Career: Acting
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>Julia Roberts: Completed high school. Career: Acting
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>Sean Penn: Completed High school. Career: Acting
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>Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Career: Acting
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>Ed Asner: Completed High school. Career: Acting
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>George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky Career: Acting
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>Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan. Career: Movie Director
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>Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School. Career: Acting
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>Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School. Career: Acting
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>Mike Farrell: Completed High school. Career: Acting
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>Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College. Career: Stand up comedienne
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>Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year. Career: Acting

Total cumulative experience or education in politics or world affairs for all of the celebreties = ZERO DAYS !!

Yup They ALL must know what they are talking about !!
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>While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world.

We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN - Get Real !! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders. These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican and that hatred precludes what is best for this country. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America.

The silence from the Left was deafening when Bill Clinton (the worst President we have ever had and one who would have been impeached. The only thing that stopped that from happening was the democrats were the majority and stopped vote for impeachment) bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. Why Not ? He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. Why Not ? When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, that cowardly Clinton was more worried about his future historical image and pulled our troops out instead of avenging their deaths and cleaning out that rats nest. Not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Why Not ?

Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating terrorists while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House. Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein had chemical and biological weapons and used them on The Kurds, and was very close to obtaining nuclear weapons (as is Iran); their was no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. Why Not ? They believe we should have left him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities. It is not a question of IF they will use them, but When !!

So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain that Fat a*s Moore was not speaking for me. Why would France help us get terrorists out of Iraq when in WW II they would not even help us get Germany out of France. !!. It has also been proven that they along with Russia, Kofi Onan as well as many other individuals were all on The Take from Saddam Hussein with the Oil For Food program. No wonder they voted against going to war against him, they were all getting very rich at the cost of peoples lives.

Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout? The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!

It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us and not be like sheep by automatically believing everything you see reported in the media or hear from these cocaine using celebrities. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities; we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them. Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But that is not real world. If we believe that mere talk will work, we are bigger idiots than the murderous tyrants are killers.

We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe or the Japanese from taking over the far east by simply talking to them. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the n**i regime.

President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.

These same Hollywood celebrities are the ones who still like Slick Willy Clinton after all the lying he did to the American public and after he and his wife stole from and looted the White House when they left office. It is quite obvious from their actions and statements that these lowly educated celebrities have no idea what they are talking about.

Thank God for President Bush and his strength and courage to do what he did. I also wonder why these celebrities and the rest of the protesters around the world have forgotten that Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction, he used them on his own people, The Kurds, by killing thousands of them with biological agents.
Let's continue to kick a*s in Iraq and if we have to, go into Syria, Iran and yes even North Korea to stop these murderous tyrants.

\\************ Obama - Socialism & Total Governemnt control *************

He has screwed up thiscountry more in 100 days than any other President did in their term. He wants to give more of my taxpayer $$ to the lazy SOB's already on welfare and he has the gonads to call it Spread the wealth. This from a sneaky lying smooth talking inept a*s who never did anything in my state of Illinois except participate in the corruption. This also from a Senator who received over $900,000 in graft money from the Fannie Mae/Freddiec Mac issues and then he blames BUSH - GIVE ME A BREAK. Go back to Africa where you were born, you are not eligible or qualified to be President. You are NOT my President and never will be.
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#18 Consumer Comment

Praise Bush!!!

AUTHOR: Inspector - (U.S.A.)

I don't need a reason to attack when I personally lost friends in the WTC. Weapons of mass destruction, who cares! Iraq has been known to harbor terrorists and protect them from capture. And what we DID FIND will not be released to the general public (Need to know). I also don't care who gets rich off the spoils of Iraq, as long as it's America or Americans. We are a war based ecomony and someone always benefits. Don't like it? Then don't live here.

I served in Kosovo, desert storm, and operation Iraqi freedom. It's about time someone stood up for US and let the world know that we will not take it. If we cannot find the real culprits then set an example for those who will protect them.

Take your bleeding heart somewhere else.

A Soldier
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#19 Consumer Comment

For the benefit of truth!

AUTHOR: Sherry - (U.S.A.)

I am wondering just how many of these supposed statements, allegations, accusations, or so-called facts would stand up under "true" scrutiny! While I do not agree with a lot of the emotional rhetoric, nor the "highly" improper means of some of the people here who have contributed their opinion, I do agree that a "legal" investigation (of the people) should be expedited; not for revenge, but for justification of the "true" facts. I do not have all of the facts. I do not believe that ANY of you fine people do either. I do believe that we as the AMERICAN people DESERVE the TRUTH no matter how defining it may be!

Many of you need to go back and re-read the posting/rebuttal policy of RIP-OFF REPORT. I am one of those so-called anti-war Christians--- I am also pro-war depending on the reason for war. The Bible says 'not to be angry with your brother (anyone) WITHOUT a cause'. If you read the Bible, you will find that it is FULL of war stories! To be angry with our brother without a cause is AS murder in God's eyes. I'm not going to go into the 'probability dynamics' of war--- I am just going to state that not all Christians USE God as an agenda to get away with things. I DO HAVE AN OPINION TOO--- even though, I am a God-fearing man. Christians are NOT perfect--- we are just forgiven!

As Christians, we are taught not to speak evil of 'dignitaries'. Being a true dignitary entails being (not acting) dignified. Lies only lead to more lies and ultimately--- CONFUSION! What would you say is the state of our great country now??? God IS NOT the author of confusion! Our LEADERS are responsible for our well-being UNDER GOD! The OFFICE is ordained of God--- not necessarily the person filling it! I DO NOT know for a fact that George W. Bush, Jr. is evil. I ONLY KNOW to trust what I DON'T HEAR or SEE--- my instincts, insight, inner-perception, a gut feeling, intuition, my inner-man, spirit, Spirit of God, higher power. Call it what you will. I only know that I sense evil--- NO MATTER the person, or HOW godly they may or may not APPEAR to the world. SOMETHING IS AMISS WITH THE G.W. BUSH ADMINISTRATION--- AND I AIN'T GOING BY WHAT I'VE SEEN OR HEARD!!! You can say I'm off my rocker, not dealing with a FULL deck, etc. The truth is--- something is terribly WRONG and the proof WILL BE KNOWN BY EVERYONE--- sooner or later...

Further--- there are generally 2 types of Christians: Those who watch and report and those who ACT. I do BOTH! I am a Christian who ISN'T going to sit idly by and NOT say or do anything about it! Just as there were some of you who stated very adamantly, 'If you didn't vote, then you don't have an opinion!' To you, I could say, as concerning GOD ISSUES--- 'If you haven't ever lived for him, then I can't listen to you!' That would be putting the shoe on the other foot, now--- wouldn't it??

I ain't gonna bad-mouth you personally. I am going to tell you again just as you have told countless others who have been reading these posts and rebuttals--- WAIT AND SEE. What does it matter whose opinion is correct? No matter--- we ALL were affected! The TRUTH is out there, and sometimes it's right in our OWN backyard!

david

Waco, Texas (NOT the HOME of David Koresh)--- In case you didn't hear correctly.
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#20 Consumer Comment

OMG!! I Cannot Believe How Many Fooled Morons Exist!!

AUTHOR: Ronny48 - (U.S.A.)

If you think for ONE MINUTE that George Bush is a good guy.... You can consider yourself a LOST MORON!!! And YOU NEED HELP!!!

But I will say that it is not just Bush, Mostly, Bush is used as the scape-goat for those behind him. Cheney was the monster of a lot of crap going on and then you've got the elitists - big corporation and secret government behind them.

Frankly, our presidents are simply called TOOLS. Tools of the big corporations and the eletists behind the them.

And now we have Obama as the New scape-goat. His plan to boost the economy is BOGUS!!
You watch... it won't do ANYTHING for the American people. It is another scam by the people behind him, so that the bigger, more powerful people can do the things they feel they need to do.

Just like he said, this money will go to corporations to create jobs. Corporations, meaning BIG companies. Not the small businesses that this Country was built on. So you watch... there will be very few jobs to come from this and the big Corps will have more money to do their evil deeds.

People... DO YOUR RESEARCH!!! Don't sit around like some MORON couch-patato watching the mind-control boob-tube!! I know there are MANY morons who watch tv and think our news is perfect and beautiful and dead-on correct... but you've got another thing coming!!

It's really a crying shame... how many ignorant morons with no back-bone exist on this planet today. Those who do take the time to dig in and find out the REAL truth will find freedom within.

Good luck to all you lost people.
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#21 Consumer Comment

I PITY YOU !

AUTHOR: Joy R. - (U.S.A.)

I feel so sorry for all of you who have such hatred in your hearts/souls ( if you have any ) and live with that bitterness and blackness in your lives every day. I will pray for you, so that you may find peace.
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I PITY YOU !

AUTHOR: Joy R. - (U.S.A.)

I feel so sorry for all of you who have such hatred in your hearts/souls ( if you have any ) and live with that bitterness and blackness in your lives every day. I will pray for you, so that you may find peace.
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I PITY YOU !

AUTHOR: Joy R. - (U.S.A.)

I feel so sorry for all of you who have such hatred in your hearts/souls ( if you have any ) and live with that bitterness and blackness in your lives every day. I will pray for you, so that you may find peace.
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#24 Consumer Comment

he is gone now but the damage was done

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

yeah bush is gone now yet the damage was done but if there was one thing I would say to bush in his departure it would be--I hope the pretzel wins the second time around, you S.O.B.
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#25 Consumer Comment

Bush Is gone

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Bush Is gone but we be still paying the price because of bush because of the stupid people who voted him In 2004. It didn't suprise me bush didn't stop the election & declared himself king george w bush.

Well his supporters the republican people was calling him king george which we don't allow that here In america. George washington our first president did not want to be called king.

Because of england. I thought look @ all those stupid people In texas cheering for that dumb neck george w bush.
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#26 Consumer Comment

Charles is gone?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"Gone, but not forgotten!
Finally, the biggest embarrassment to our nation and its citizens is now gone. Unfortunately, we will all be paying the price for his truly unrivaled level of incompetence, crass, criminally, arrogance, stupidity and greed for a very long time."

I'm betting he'll still be around.
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#27 Consumer Comment

Gone, but not forgotten!

AUTHOR: Jon - (U.S.A.)

Finally, the biggest embarrassment to our nation and its citizens is now gone. Unfortunately, we will all be paying the price for his truly unrivaled level of incompetence, crass, criminally, arrogance, stupidity and greed for a very long time.
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#28 Consumer Comment

The republicans had control for 6 years

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

The problems where already happening when the republicans still had control over congress. The democrats tried to pass bills but bush veto everything.

Bush Is a b*****d along with his republicans In congress who voted agaisnt healthcare. Bush just wants everyone to die. Democrats can't do anything cause bush veto everything.

So you can blame bush. These republican voters b***h & moan & blame congress for everything when the republicans had 6 years before this mess got out of control to do anything about It.

So don't blame all this on the democrats when they tried to pass bills to help us & bush veto everything, which many of you republican voters will always blame democrats.

Not your republicans for this mess.
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#29 Consumer Comment

sheesh - a bunch of nuts here.

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

1ST off- democrats had control of congress since 2006 and is responsible for at least part of the recession..

Yes bush should be blamed for how he handled IRAQ... though Afgan was handled ok (per it being a 2001 similar to our PearlHarbor).

Other than the post socalled' mission accomplish' I was also ok with IRAQ, but after that it was badly mismanaged.

lets remember somem details.

the socalled balanced budge by clinton was done by GOP Congress...not Clinton.

Also, on the mortgage meltdown, that was at least in recent years almost all democratic failure (though initially it was both parties).
Failure in that the specifically blocked reforms that would have kept the meltdown from even happening.

In my opinion they helped engineer the meltdown knowning that people would blame bush or gop for it despite not being in power since 2006.
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#30 Consumer Comment

Bush caused the recession

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Bush caused the recession funny how It happend before bush leaves office. The people who voted for him are paying the price for voting for him. And people still support him.

While bush lives comfortably & with his retirement from being president everyone else Is suffering. Hey john from georgia. Georgia will soon be In a recession for being stupid again voting for another crooked republican.

Why can't republicans realize they are unwanted for all the trouble they have caused & the republicans have caused this recession like they did In the 1930s.

And greedy employers are the cause of It to buy abusing there powers & wrongfully firing employees.
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#31 Consumer Comment

Bush intervention depresses gasoline and oil prices

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Thank heaven President Bush caved in to Speaker Pelosi, Steny Hoyer, Harry Reid and some of the more strident Democrats this year...when he drained our Strategic Petroleum Reserve according to their demands.

Since July '08 crude oil prices have then declined 65% and gasoline prices have declined more than 50% !!




Oh-oh, he didn't, you say ? You mean he actually kept the US Petroleum Reserve intact for genuine emergencies ? He really did resist the mob ?

Didn't know such an unpopular politician could have that much courage and integrity, much less the wisdom of the marketplace.

Wow !
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#32 Consumer Comment

no more bush family

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

No more bush family bush has done everything he can to wreck this country, republicans have proved they don't care about this country. All they do Is public corruption, mess up the economy.

Abuse the middle class people why do you think they are so many bad businesses out today taking advantage of us & abusing us.

Republicans don't love america & bush & his republican cronies have proved they don't care about us or the country, republicans are mobsters, frauds embezzlers they prove they are corrupt.
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#33 Consumer Comment

Be specific Charlie

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"Obama hasn't been sworn in yet."

I am stunned you know that. The way people call the shop expceting car repairs to be FREE, shows many do not. It also shows how Obama got elected.

"Buy the way robert calling me 'chuckles' doesn't bother me."

Yes it does.

"One of the posters started calling me chuckles & got everyone including you started calling me It."

It's a term of endearment Charles. We actually like you. If we didn't, we'd just ignore you.

"I am happy the republicans got defeated after 8 long years of losing jobs for nothing."

What job did you lose? You've never had a job.

"9/11/2001 Is the main reason what helped get democrats elected, republicans didn't get 12 years this time."

The attacks of 9/11 are the reason Bush got reelected. The economic downturn is the reason the Dems took the win this time.

"Bush is alot like hoover the stock market had problems when hoover was president cause he didn't give a rats a*s about the poor or middle class people, we are suffering because of another republican president."

Show me in the US Constitution where it says anything about the Federal Government propping up Wall Street, or doing anything at all for the rich, poor, or middle class. Be specific. I want Article numbers, and paragraphs.

"The stock market Is In trouble just like back In hoover days, hoover & bush betrayed us the american people."

The economy went down because the Carter administration created a monster called the Community Reinvestment Act. It was passed by the Democrat controlled House and Senate and signed into law by Carter. It was then reinforced by the Clinton administration by the Democrat controlled House and Senate to require Banks make at least 5% of their loans to people who they know cannot qualify under proper banking regulations. When the housing bubble popped, property values went down. When people who cannot afford their homes get foreclosed on, the values decline even more. This created a staggering debtload for the investors who just saw their assets disappear. This caused the avalanche and banks/investment houses went under. Did anyone notice the Credit Unions were not affected by this issue? The Republicans warned about this issue in 2000. The Democrats in control ignored them.

In reality Charles, the worst thing the Feds can do is to prop the banks up. They should be allowed to fail. It's a normal business cycle. The weak die, the strong survive. They just wasted 350Billion dollars on the "bailout". This is in addition to the 300Billion dollars wasted in July for the same reason. That's 650Billion so far, and the Treasury Secretary has said "oops". The Democrat controlled Congress agreed it did nothing. What it did is devalue the dollar even more, and increase the debt.

Now the UAW wants a bailout. This one has nothing at all to do with the automakers. This bailout is 100% for the United Auto Workers Union. If the Big 3 file for Bankruptcy protection, the labor contracts will be voided. In a state with 10% unemployment, the Big 3 could rightfully place ads for new assemblyline workers at 1/4 the wages they pay now(averaging $78.35 per hour...that's $130,000 per year). There would be a half million applicants in line. The Big 3 could even save money by moving their plants to right to work states, as the other car makers currently have done. The UAW says if the bailout isn't done...and even the Democrat controlled Congress admits it would only extend the inevitable to March 2009...115,000 workers would be unemployed. They claim this would be devastating to the US economy. Hmmm. Citigroup has fired 53,000 employees during the last few months and yet that has not devaststed anything. Add the hundereds of thousands from other companies who have cut back, and yet, ONLY losing the UAW workers will devastate the economy. The only economy that would disrupt is the UAW's. The Big 3 need to be allowed to fail, as the banks should be. This is the reason bankruptcy laws were written.

For the record Charles, FDR did NOT do anything to help us out of the Depression. While it was the money tightening policies of Hoover that deepened our part of the world wide recession into a depression, FDR only exacerbated the problem with his programs. WW2 brought us out of it. Another issue is the fact the depression was an isolated one. The drought caused food shortages(again world wide), and prices went up accordingly. Inflation plus lack of expansive capital caused the Depression. The 3 most expensive car makers could not keep up with demand...Auburn, Cord, Duesenberg...and yacht building was going on at a much higher rate. The wealthy could not expand their businesses due to tightened credit, so jobs were not created. They still spent money as they always do. Those who had jobs had to prove their worth, or be let go...just like today. My grandfather sold cheese for Kraft. He made a great living. Others didn't. I prove my worth every day, which is why I have a good job, even as others lose theirs.

Obama is about to take the helm of a sinking ship. Congress is rearranging the deck chairs. The National Debt is well over 10Trillion dollars. THAT is insane. There is no money in the Social Security Trust Fund. There is no money in the Treasury. It's all just smoke and mirrors. More money is spent each year on welfare programs than on defense...the ONLY expense actually allowed by the US Constitution, other than the minimal cost of running the Government(which is less than 300Million dollars per year).

The ONLY thing that will help this economy is for the US Constitution to be strictly adhered to. That means NO MORE welfare programs of any type. No more spending that isn't properly authorized. The US Constitution is very clear on what the Treasury can be spent on. YOU are not among the qualified items.
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#34 Consumer Comment

Bush betrayed us the american citizens

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Obama hasn't been sworn in yet. Buy the way robert calling me "chuckles" doesn't bother me.

One of the posters started calling me chuckles & got everyone including you started calling me It.

I am happy the republicans got defeated after 8 long years of losing jobs for nothing.

9/11/2001 Is the main reason what helped get democrats elected, republicans didn't get 12 years this time.

Bush is alot like hoover the stock market had problems when hoover was president cause he didn't give a rats a*s about the poor or middle class people, we are suffering because of another republican president.

The stock market Is In trouble just like back In hoover days, hoover & bush betrayed us the american people.
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#35 Consumer Comment

What happened to "Change"?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"The last time we was In recession economy turmoil was when hoover was president."

Wrong. There have been many recessions since the Depression. In fact, there was one during Bill Clinton's Presidency...in 1997. One of the worst was at the end of Jimmy Carter's reign of horror. Anyone else remember 21% mortgage rates? In fact, every decade has one. Recessions are world-wide. They are not limited to the USA.

"Bush vetoed healthcare bill he doesn't care who lives or dies or who dies of starvation."

Please show me where providing healthcare is allowed by our Constitution. While you are at it, show me where it requires me to feed you.

"They refuse to see the truth they just want to support there guy no matter what the wrongs bush did."

What did he do wrong? Be specific, and make sure you have the US Constitution to verify your complaints.

"A pastor Is not suppose to bring politics In a worship service,..."

WOW!!! I'll just assume you feel the same way about Jeremiah Wright...the Preacher Obama and his family went to for 20 years for spiritual leadership.

"This country will never be the same from how bush/cheney & the bush fans from what they have done."

I have no idea what this last sentence means. It's as meaningless as most.

My question is...What happened to CHANGE? So far, Obama has named just about everyone from Bill Clinton's staff to head up his Cabinet, and added a few more Washington Insiders to the list. Is this "CHANGE"? It looks like the same old-same old to me. Then again, when you elect someone to be President who has ZERO days running ANYTHING, it's hard to imagine him having anyone on a list of his own.

Good luck Chuckles. You'll need it.
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#36 Consumer Comment

I am not ashamed

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

The last time we was In recession economy turmoil was when hoover was president. These bush supporters kill me we should be ashamed well I am not ashamed look @ what bush has done to the middle class people.

Bush vetoed healthcare bill he doesn't care who lives or dies or who dies of starvation. They refuse to see the truth they just want to support there guy no matter what the wrongs bush did.

I do not care how many people are agaisnt me, well the people have there choice If they want a divided country. That was wrong for that pastor from North Carolina to tell people who do not support bush to get out.

A pastor Is not suppose to bring politics In a worship service, the bush fans was turning this country into a dictatorship country.

This country will never be the same from how bush/cheney & the bush fans from what they have done.
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#37 Consumer Comment

Bush Is scum

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Bush Is scum & will always be scum. Just look @ what he has done to the middle class people. Bush has nearly ruined us, bush Is a war monger all he cares about Is killing.

Anyone who still defends him Is an idiot blind & a moron. They are blind to what bush has done to his own citizens & to this country. I don't care what people think bush Is scum.

I love to here the bush & mccain supporters whine & complain Its sweet music to my ears, the republicans didn't get 12 years this time. Things are already working out gas Is under $2.00 $1.85 In my area.

Bush the warmonger & cheney has completely divded this country something republicans love to do these bush fans make me sick!. Bush and cheney are scum.

That will be the happiest day of my life to see bush gone from the white house nomore bushs. People sure made a huge mistake buy voting for him & they voted for him again In 2004.

Look @ all the suffering bush has caused the middle class people & all of this financial mess we are In today almost 9 years later when bush leaves office. Bush don't care.

Bush never cared for america, he will have the lowest approval rating ever. Bush Is scum I do not care how many people are agaisnt me cause I hate bush!.


Bush never kepted to any of his promises!.

Mccain/palin would betray this country for sure & us the same way bush has betrayed us he betrayed the middle class people for sure. Down with bush.

Its sweet music listening to the bush supporters cry about obama, know they can sit in chatrooms & complain to each other.
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#38 Consumer Comment

Our PRESIDENT !

AUTHOR: Hurdy - (U.S.A.)

As a response to 'James', Our President, George Walker Bush is a Humble, Great Man, and has certainly been active in Saving you from Peril, --- though you don't understand his integrity! The Statement you have made is WRONG, and you should be ashamed of you're self for the ignorance you've demonstrated with your inappropriate language !

I, for one American, have upheld him in Prayer and Deed, and, after all, HE IS our President until 1/20/09, and, though I did NOT vote for the President Elect, I'll surely hold Him up in Prayer and Deed, as well, ---- knowing that He has a Crisis that NO ONE president could have caused or prevented, and I hope for a better day for us all, and just possibly we can get on, with-out harsh WRONG criticism.
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#39 Consumer Suggestion

Misinformation and Ignorance Abounds

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Your complete lack of accurate information and ad hominem attacks demonstrate your ignorance of the situation you are addressing.

The 2000 election was not stolen. Multiple third party agencies have conducted their own investigations and confirmed this. Further, the only evidence of dienfranchisement found were in absentee ballots, many of which were from voters serving in the military overseas who overwhelmingly vote republican.

Iraq was invaded under the auspices of four separate UN mandates which were never adhered to. The weapons of mass destruction allegations were made by British Intelligence and later substantiated with the discovery of 1.77 Metric tons of weapons grade fissile material.

President Clinton's "surplus" was a projection that assumed the Tech Bubble would never burst and that congressional spending would remain static. Neither came to pass.

Crude oil prices are determined by a world wide free market, not any one country or certainly not by any one president. Futures speculators ran up prices with the assistance, witting or not, of the media. Gasoline prices are determined by oil prices and supply and demand, hence the run up in costs. The number one benficiary of higher prices is the government in the form of taxation. Further, were it not for alarmist rhetoric from the environmental movement, domestic oil exploration would be at much higher levels than today greatly reducing or eliminating US dependence on foreign oil imports.

Please do a little research before you regurgitate incorrect facts and outright vitriole in the future. Who knows, you just might learn something.
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#40 Consumer Comment

Bush was born with a silver spoon in his a*s

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Why Is It these bad banks and bad insurance companies get to be bailed out of trouble we don't matter as consumers.

We get screwed while these banks & insurance companies who defraud us out of fair settlements gets big money & nothing for us.

Bush approved this bailout, bush was born with a sliver spoon in his a*s he has no idea what its like to live on a fixed income. He disgust's me.

They where some sore losers from the mccain supporters well its there fault they shouldn't be so stupid in who they vote for, republicans hate america.

This country will take alot of years to recover what bush/cheney has done to it.
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#41 Consumer Comment

Bush is no dictator...he did what he could with what he had!

AUTHOR: Ladeda - (U.S.A.)

Bush is not the villain in our current economic and foreign situations. He responded to the issues that were brought to America...911...terrorism came knocking at our door only 9 mos. after he took office! What would you have him do...lay down and accept these crazy, killing machines into our society so that we are afraid to leave our homes, go to church, shop or even go to work! We had to respond to these lunatics in a way that said, "Not in our country" and he gave the military the power to do so. I thank God that Bush was president when all of this stuff first happened, if it had been Al Gore we'd all be wearing turbans right now, because he wouldn't have had the gumption to stand up to these terrorists! I support Bush fully on the decisions he has made (although not alone)!

As for the "surplus" from Clinton's presidency...take a look back. Reagan and Bush helped to set-up the surplus that Clinton was given credit for. It didn't just miracoulsy happen overnight during Clinton's administration. Our economy was growing stronger when Bush Sr. was in office and yes Clinton did keep it going, but he cannot take all of the credit!

I think that people should stop and consider all of what could have happened if Bush would have waited to send troops to Iraq and Afghanistan...we could be in much deeper trouble here in America...we're keeping the fighting on foreign soil and that makes most of America feel safer. I do have deep compassion for the troops who have to leave their families and who are defending not only our country but others as well. They are heroes and should be held in the highest regard! I am sorry for the families who have lost loved ones in these wars, but I know that deep down in their hearts they know that had their sons and daughters not believed in what their missions stood for, they would not have signed up for the military services and so many would not still be re-upping their commissions.

Please think about the things that you have written about Bush. There may come a day that we as Americans don't have the freedoms that we have now, even with high fuel prices and some of the other uncomfortable economic issues that we are dealing with. We may not be free to come and go as we please or to say what we want to say...these are the freedoms that Bush has been fighting for and we should thank him for that! We have to keep a strong and united attitude or we may end-up in a "Saddam Hussein" environment here in America...please think again and appreciate what we have and will have again!
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#42 Consumer Comment

You obviously are one of those who believes that Bush was behind 911 too........

AUTHOR: New England - (U.S.A.)

Your accusations against the President are without a single ounce of fact, and you most assuredly have NOT been to "ground zero", ever. Well, I was there, less than 48 hours after our country was ATTACKED, and some one that I went to Church with for almost 10 years was MURDERED. I stood there as the bodies of guiltless American citizens, CIVILIANS, were carried from the rubble.

Iraq war about oil? The Bush family profiting by it? Look again, pal. The Bush family dumped their oil interests many years ago. And it was not like the owned an oil company, they, like thousands of others around the world, just happened to have purchased stock in some oil companies as an investment.

No, the war in Iraq is about doing what 'a' previous President didn't have the guts to do when AMERICANS on board and AMERICAN Navy vessel were BOMBED and murdered, and "that" President did...NOTHING. When our ground troops were sleeping, and yet another (proven) Islamic fanatic drove through the barricades in Beriut and MURDERED many of them, just because they were Americans...and that same "President" did.....NOTHING. And what about the previous bombings here in AMERICA, that NOTHING was done about.

Are you really foolish enough to believe that if we keep doing nothing that everyone will just leave us alone? Funny, I think that is exactly what most of Europe was thinking when a little man with a screwey moustach systematically TOOK OVER almost an entire continent...his name as Adolf Hitler. Or are you going to tell us that the HOLOCAUST never happened?
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#43 Consumer Comment

Ohmigoodness!

AUTHOR: Marcia - (U.S.A.)

What kind of an idiot uses this forum to spout political hate speech and conspiracy theories.

I would suggest that the individual who started this is much more evidentiary of what is wrong with this country than ANY President: Even Jimmy Carter.
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#44 Consumer Comment

Get a Life!

AUTHOR: Barnzie3 - (U.S.A.)

Oh, by the way, I didn't see you say anything about Monica smoking Bill's cigar?

Or Jimmy Carter's regime letting our military fall apart from lack of money. By the way, our military was the laughing stock of the world as we drove around in trucks that were falling apart with no brakes or windows while even the poorest of nations were driving Mercedes Benz. Thank God for Ronald Reagan!

There was a lot more I was going to write, but I didn't want to bad mouth all the democrats for just one that has something missing upstairs. I hope you feel better and don't stop taking your meds. Obviously you're off them now!
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#45 Consumer Comment

Get a Life!

AUTHOR: Barnzie3 - (U.S.A.)

Oh, by the way, I didn't see you say anything about Monica smoking Bill's cigar?

Or Jimmy Carter's regime letting our military fall apart from lack of money. By the way, our military was the laughing stock of the world as we drove around in trucks that were falling apart with no brakes or windows while even the poorest of nations were driving Mercedes Benz. Thank God for Ronald Reagan!

There was a lot more I was going to write, but I didn't want to bad mouth all the democrats for just one that has something missing upstairs. I hope you feel better and don't stop taking your meds. Obviously you're off them now!
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#46 Consumer Comment

Get a Life!

AUTHOR: Barnzie3 - (U.S.A.)

Oh, by the way, I didn't see you say anything about Monica smoking Bill's cigar?

Or Jimmy Carter's regime letting our military fall apart from lack of money. By the way, our military was the laughing stock of the world as we drove around in trucks that were falling apart with no brakes or windows while even the poorest of nations were driving Mercedes Benz. Thank God for Ronald Reagan!

There was a lot more I was going to write, but I didn't want to bad mouth all the democrats for just one that has something missing upstairs. I hope you feel better and don't stop taking your meds. Obviously you're off them now!
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#47 Consumer Comment

Get a Life!

AUTHOR: Barnzie3 - (U.S.A.)

Oh, by the way, I didn't see you say anything about Monica smoking Bill's cigar?

Or Jimmy Carter's regime letting our military fall apart from lack of money. By the way, our military was the laughing stock of the world as we drove around in trucks that were falling apart with no brakes or windows while even the poorest of nations were driving Mercedes Benz. Thank God for Ronald Reagan!

There was a lot more I was going to write, but I didn't want to bad mouth all the democrats for just one that has something missing upstairs. I hope you feel better and don't stop taking your meds. Obviously you're off them now!
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#48 Consumer Comment

DOwn with the loser!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Jasonfato - (U.S.A.)

I for one cant wait til BUSH leaves office. Maybe, just maybe we can start repairing the damage this worthless @$$hole has done!!!!!!!!!!

It is a d**n shame we have people here in our own country that dont have a roof over their heads or food to feed their family, but we can send BILLIONS of dollars of aid all around the world to countrys that dont even want our help!!!!!!!!!! Give me a d**n break!!!!

Everyday our troops are being killed fighting a war that we shouldnt have started in the first place. I support our troops, but I dont support that lame a*s BUSH family decision to send them over there!!!!! Come on BUSH send your daughters over there to fight.. You ask other parents to send their children over there to fight and not return... Instead we have to see you and your wife spend Hundreds of Thousands of dollars on a d**n wedding for one of the tramps!!!!! We have people that cant even eat and your spending our tax payer money on a wedding for your little w***e!!!!!! YOU MAKE ME SICK!!!

Clinton was no saint, but he was a hell of alot better than BUSH! When Clinton was in office we:
1. Owed no one anything!!!! Our deficit was $0000000000000 when in history has
that ever happened??????
2. We where paying less than $2 a gallon for gas..... The only people getting rich
right now from gas being so high are the oil companies & THE BUSH FAMILY!!!!!!
3. Our unemployement rate was less than 2%.... Now we have a nation wide
unemployement rate of 5.7%.. As soon as Bush took office it went from
3.8% to nearly 6% in less than 1 1/2 years!!!!
4. Our Consumer Price index was alot more stable.... It is now the most erratic it
has been in history... THANKS FOR NOTHING BUSH!
5. We exported more than we import...... We are now importing nearly 3% of
everything we use.........
6. We had control of the illegal immigrant problem.... It is now out of control and
BUSH wants to allow more to come in and take our jobs!!!!!

THANK YOU BUSH FOR %&*KING UP THIS COUNTRY!!! Thank god your time is over!!!!!!!!! BUCK FUSH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#49 Consumer Comment

Please name the impeachable crime

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Name it. In order for an impeachment to be brought forward, a crime must have been committed.

In Johnson's case, it was his lack of regard to the US Constitution, and his total disrespect of Congress. He appointed cabinet members without their approval. He also helped foster discontent among the former Confederate States. Johnson was not convicted, and served his term.

Nixon was impeached over the cover up of the Watergate incident. He resigned rather than bring further shame to the Country.

And then there's Clinton. He subordinated perjury from his staff members to conceal his behaviour in office. It had NOTHING to do with his affair. It had to do with his total lack of decorum while in office. The Paula Jones issue, the Kathleen Willey issue, the Vince Foster issue, the Webster hubble issue, the Whitewater/Rose Law Firm issues, the list goes on and on. In short, the actual charges were:

Article 1: Perjury before Independent Counsel Ken Starr's grand jury.
Article 2: Perjury in the Paula Jones civil case.
Article 3: Obstruction of Justice related to the Jones case.
Article 4: Abuse of Power by making perjurious statements to Congress in his answers to the 81 questions posed by the Judiciary Committee.

He was not convicted, and served out his term.
About two hours after his acquittal, President Clinton made a brief appearance in the White House Rose Garden and stated: ''Now that the Senate has fulfilled its constitutional responsibility, bringing this process to a conclusion, I want to say again to the American people how profoundly sorry I am for what I said and did to trigger these events and the great burden they have imposed on the Congress and on the American people."

Even he knew he was a scumbag.

Now, list the actual crime you think Bush can be charged with. Remember, all of his intelligence information was confirmed by the same Congress you think can convict him. I guess they'll all have to be tossed out. I'm for that.
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#50 Consumer Suggestion

Let's IMPEACH; then let's try George W. Bush for Murder--as prosecutor/author Bugliosi writes!

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

Let's IMPEACH; then let's try George W. Bush for Murder--as prosecutor/author Bugliosi writes!

Keep calling Rep. John Conyers and Rep. Nancy Pelosi re impeachment.

Then call your Attorney General of your state and tell him to contact author Vince Bugliosi (former prosecutor) who wrote the newly-released book:

THE PROSECUTION OF GEORGE W. BUSH FOR MURDER

and tell them to start investigations now for the arrest and trying of bush for murder the minute he gets out of office... this includes some others around him, too. Arrest the MINUTE he gets out, otherwise he'll go to Paraguay where he's purchased property there, live there, and cannot by Paraguay law, be extradited for trial.

Amen. THANK you Vince Bugliosi!
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#51 Consumer Suggestion

Let's IMPEACH; then let's try George W. Bush for Murder--as prosecutor/author Bugliosi writes!

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

Let's IMPEACH; then let's try George W. Bush for Murder--as prosecutor/author Bugliosi writes!

Keep calling Rep. John Conyers and Rep. Nancy Pelosi re impeachment.

Then call your Attorney General of your state and tell him to contact author Vince Bugliosi (former prosecutor) who wrote the newly-released book:

THE PROSECUTION OF GEORGE W. BUSH FOR MURDER

and tell them to start investigations now for the arrest and trying of bush for murder the minute he gets out of office... this includes some others around him, too. Arrest the MINUTE he gets out, otherwise he'll go to Paraguay where he's purchased property there, live there, and cannot by Paraguay law, be extradited for trial.

Amen. THANK you Vince Bugliosi!
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Let's IMPEACH; then let's try George W. Bush for Murder--as prosecutor/author Bugliosi writes!

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

Let's IMPEACH; then let's try George W. Bush for Murder--as prosecutor/author Bugliosi writes!

Keep calling Rep. John Conyers and Rep. Nancy Pelosi re impeachment.

Then call your Attorney General of your state and tell him to contact author Vince Bugliosi (former prosecutor) who wrote the newly-released book:

THE PROSECUTION OF GEORGE W. BUSH FOR MURDER

and tell them to start investigations now for the arrest and trying of bush for murder the minute he gets out of office... this includes some others around him, too. Arrest the MINUTE he gets out, otherwise he'll go to Paraguay where he's purchased property there, live there, and cannot by Paraguay law, be extradited for trial.

Amen. THANK you Vince Bugliosi!
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#53 Consumer Suggestion

Democrats in Congress

AUTHOR: District Manager - (U.S.A.)

Well, we've had a Democrat Congress for two years now. The results:

1. Highest gas prices in history.
2. Largest amount of bankruptcies.
3. Biggest amount of foreclosures.
4. We're still in the war that all of those slick Dems supposed were going to end immediately.

If you don't like high gas prices, ask your Congressman, or any Democrat, what are THEY doing to address this situation??? [answer- nothing!]
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#54 Consumer Comment

On What Planet Have You Been Living?

AUTHOR: Jon - (U.S.A.)

I simply can't believe the fact that there are still people here who refuse to accept reality. How can anyone, especially those who at least appear to possess an understanding of the English language not realize that they have been completely bamboozled? The entire Bush family has a very long and well documented history of being less than ethical at best. This so-called president is at best, an extreme embarrassment to himself and to this Nation. BTW: Anyone who has bought, or still buys into his distorted view of reality should be embarrased as well.
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#55 Consumer Comment

On What Planet Have You Been Living?

AUTHOR: Jon - (U.S.A.)

I simply can't believe the fact that there are still people here who refuse to accept reality. How can anyone, especially those who at least appear to possess an understanding of the English language not realize that they have been completely bamboozled? The entire Bush family has a very long and well documented history of being less than ethical at best. This so-called president is at best, an extreme embarrassment to himself and to this Nation. BTW: Anyone who has bought, or still buys into his distorted view of reality should be embarrased as well.
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#56 Consumer Comment

On What Planet Have You Been Living?

AUTHOR: Jon - (U.S.A.)

I simply can't believe the fact that there are still people here who refuse to accept reality. How can anyone, especially those who at least appear to possess an understanding of the English language not realize that they have been completely bamboozled? The entire Bush family has a very long and well documented history of being less than ethical at best. This so-called president is at best, an extreme embarrassment to himself and to this Nation. BTW: Anyone who has bought, or still buys into his distorted view of reality should be embarrased as well.
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#57 Consumer Comment

Dont Blame Bush for Everything

AUTHOR: Bill Mouro - (U.S.A.)

President Bush has no real control over what other country's charge for oil. War or no War. This has been coming for some time, regardless of who is the President. The middle east would love to bury us. They know oil will ruin our economy and due to our dependence we will have to pay the piper. Not enough exploring in our own country to find the oil we need to be less dependent. Seems a great deal of others would rather pay 4.00 to 5.00 dollars a gallon than search for oil to support our needs, all in the name of conservation we cant have it both ways. Cheap oil and no dependence. Why Blame President Bush for years before President Bush, President Clinton we have imported over 60% of our oil from a oil rich nations, and why do they have oil. Not because of war, but because the US helped them find there oil, when those country's where nothing but sand. Years ago. We have not built a refinery in many many years we cant keep up with the demand as far as refining our own oil. Again a group of people
have been against that. Again we can't have it both ways. There is oil in this Great Country of ours if others would allow the proper research for oil. our dependence would be reduced a great deal. And the advent of other energy sources will help as well.
Clean coal is one way to go, we have plenty of coal, that can be used, again a certain group of people wont allow that. Hopefully the high cost of fuel and heating oil will indicate the need to obtain and utilize our own oil and build new refinery's. to meet the demand. We are at a loss without the progress in our own country. Time is catching up with us. The early 70s should have really started our own exploration of oil and as mentioned, more refinery's, and other sources of energy here In the USA.
Blame our lovely congress over the past 30 years. Not President Bush or any other former President.
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#58 Consumer Comment

Dont Blame Bush for Everything

AUTHOR: Bill Mouro - (U.S.A.)

President Bush has no real control over what other country's charge for oil. War or no War. This has been coming for some time, regardless of who is the President. The middle east would love to bury us. They know oil will ruin our economy and due to our dependence we will have to pay the piper. Not enough exploring in our own country to find the oil we need to be less dependent. Seems a great deal of others would rather pay 4.00 to 5.00 dollars a gallon than search for oil to support our needs, all in the name of conservation we cant have it both ways. Cheap oil and no dependence. Why Blame President Bush for years before President Bush, President Clinton we have imported over 60% of our oil from a oil rich nations, and why do they have oil. Not because of war, but because the US helped them find there oil, when those country's where nothing but sand. Years ago. We have not built a refinery in many many years we cant keep up with the demand as far as refining our own oil. Again a group of people
have been against that. Again we can't have it both ways. There is oil in this Great Country of ours if others would allow the proper research for oil. our dependence would be reduced a great deal. And the advent of other energy sources will help as well.
Clean coal is one way to go, we have plenty of coal, that can be used, again a certain group of people wont allow that. Hopefully the high cost of fuel and heating oil will indicate the need to obtain and utilize our own oil and build new refinery's. to meet the demand. We are at a loss without the progress in our own country. Time is catching up with us. The early 70s should have really started our own exploration of oil and as mentioned, more refinery's, and other sources of energy here In the USA.
Blame our lovely congress over the past 30 years. Not President Bush or any other former President.
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#59 Consumer Comment

Dont Blame Bush for Everything

AUTHOR: Bill Mouro - (U.S.A.)

President Bush has no real control over what other country's charge for oil. War or no War. This has been coming for some time, regardless of who is the President. The middle east would love to bury us. They know oil will ruin our economy and due to our dependence we will have to pay the piper. Not enough exploring in our own country to find the oil we need to be less dependent. Seems a great deal of others would rather pay 4.00 to 5.00 dollars a gallon than search for oil to support our needs, all in the name of conservation we cant have it both ways. Cheap oil and no dependence. Why Blame President Bush for years before President Bush, President Clinton we have imported over 60% of our oil from a oil rich nations, and why do they have oil. Not because of war, but because the US helped them find there oil, when those country's where nothing but sand. Years ago. We have not built a refinery in many many years we cant keep up with the demand as far as refining our own oil. Again a group of people
have been against that. Again we can't have it both ways. There is oil in this Great Country of ours if others would allow the proper research for oil. our dependence would be reduced a great deal. And the advent of other energy sources will help as well.
Clean coal is one way to go, we have plenty of coal, that can be used, again a certain group of people wont allow that. Hopefully the high cost of fuel and heating oil will indicate the need to obtain and utilize our own oil and build new refinery's. to meet the demand. We are at a loss without the progress in our own country. Time is catching up with us. The early 70s should have really started our own exploration of oil and as mentioned, more refinery's, and other sources of energy here In the USA.
Blame our lovely congress over the past 30 years. Not President Bush or any other former President.
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#60 Consumer Comment

Dont Blame Bush for Everything

AUTHOR: Bill Mouro - (U.S.A.)

President Bush has no real control over what other country's charge for oil. War or no War. This has been coming for some time, regardless of who is the President. The middle east would love to bury us. They know oil will ruin our economy and due to our dependence we will have to pay the piper. Not enough exploring in our own country to find the oil we need to be less dependent. Seems a great deal of others would rather pay 4.00 to 5.00 dollars a gallon than search for oil to support our needs, all in the name of conservation we cant have it both ways. Cheap oil and no dependence. Why Blame President Bush for years before President Bush, President Clinton we have imported over 60% of our oil from a oil rich nations, and why do they have oil. Not because of war, but because the US helped them find there oil, when those country's where nothing but sand. Years ago. We have not built a refinery in many many years we cant keep up with the demand as far as refining our own oil. Again a group of people
have been against that. Again we can't have it both ways. There is oil in this Great Country of ours if others would allow the proper research for oil. our dependence would be reduced a great deal. And the advent of other energy sources will help as well.
Clean coal is one way to go, we have plenty of coal, that can be used, again a certain group of people wont allow that. Hopefully the high cost of fuel and heating oil will indicate the need to obtain and utilize our own oil and build new refinery's. to meet the demand. We are at a loss without the progress in our own country. Time is catching up with us. The early 70s should have really started our own exploration of oil and as mentioned, more refinery's, and other sources of energy here In the USA.
Blame our lovely congress over the past 30 years. Not President Bush or any other former President.
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#61 Consumer Comment

I think its unfair

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I think its unfair for people who come to this website & don't even know you & say slanderous things about you, they go to great links to protect these bad businesses. Then you get called a scammer & lied about.

People have always lied about me sense I reported bad businesses & how they how treated me, you have to put with being accused of everything sense you had the guts to report bad businesses, cause they don't like being exposed.
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#62 Consumer Comment

Robert strikes again

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

No robert I am not the scammer you just don't like it cause we are fighting back agaisnt bad businesses. You can call me anything you like its not true, its amazing how people like robert can lie about you & they don't know you.


They can accuse & say whatever they want about me, but people who lie about people like robert or who ever he is it will always come back to them.

Nothing what people say on this site about me is not true, then I get accused of being a scammer which is not true. I got to a where I don't care what people say anymore cause they don't know me. The truth is they are really the scammers.


And robert can say whatever he wants about me, It doesn't bother me. He doesn't like it cause people report bad businesses. So he accuse me & other posters of being scammers.

He knows he can be held libel for slander & defamation of character but he continues to tell his lies. I will continue the fight & report bad businesses I come across he can say I am a scammer or anything he wants.


I am not the scammer these bad businesses are the scammers.
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#63 Consumer Comment

HOLY MOLY!!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"I can't believe people still defend bush. People voted him in & they got what they deserve. But the rest of us have to suffer worse then they do."

What suffering have you endured? You mooch off of both the US taxpayers, and you Mommy.

"Bush gave tax breaks to the upper class & higher income people, made there lives easier. And & bush didn't give us jack s**t, except made our lives miserable & harder."

You have to actually have a JOB to get a tax break. In fact, everyone got the exact same rate reduction. It comes as no surprise that someone with a 40% rate will get a larger total amount reduced than someone paying 15%. Since you have no JOB, you get no tax break. This is because you pay no taxes!

"Sense the republicans got in power, we have had an epidemic of bad businesses, scammers businesses defrauding us."

Really? Name them. The ones who made the news in the early years of Bush's Presidency were ALL from the corruption and paper shuffling that was done during the Clinton years.

"Us consumers must do everything we can do expose these scammers & crooks. But we have to put up with people defending & protecting these bad businesses."

The only scammers I know of are you and your "slip and fall" Mommy.
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#64 Consumer Comment

update

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I can't believe people still defend bush. People voted him in & they got what they deserve. But the rest of us have to suffer worse then they do.

Bush gave tax breaks to the upper class & higher income people, made there lives easier. And & bush didn't give us jack s**t, except made our lives miserable & harder.

Sense the republicans got in power, we have had an epidemic of bad businesses, scammers businesses defrauding us.

Us consumers must do everything we can do expose these scammers & crooks. But we have to put up with people defending & protecting these bad businesses.
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#65 Consumer Comment

Wow, where do I start?...

AUTHOR: Striderq - (U.S.A.)

It's almost inconceivable with everything happening in Tupper Lake that you have the time to post on anything national/international. Or should I say drone on for three years.
I would just suggest one thing James. Take a couple of deep breathes, relax, go lie in a jucuzzi for a couple of hours. Then it's time for some serious thinking. I mean, it's almost January 2009. When Bush is no longer in office. What are you going to whine & moan about then?
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#66 Consumer Comment

This person is speaking in ignorance

AUTHOR: Dwayne - (U.S.A.)

As much as we would all like to blame the President for the high prices at the pump, he is not too blame.

In-fact, the U.S. was not, and still does not purchase oil from Iraq.

The ingorant liittle political cartoon you have created is an insult to intellectual people everywhere.

George W. Bush has a laundry list of flaws that are his own. If you want to berate the President of our country, kindly choose one of those flaws than to create one of your own out of ignorance.

God Bless America and its citizens! (even those like this guy that just dont know).
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#67 Consumer Comment

This guy has no knowledge of the industry

AUTHOR: Donsmith - (U.S.A.)

If you noticed on the news today, there are riots in India over gas prices. That's because the emperor has no clothes. All the Middle Eastern counties that belong to OPEC don't have as much oil as they say. When it's gone, that's it, no industry. So, there's more demand than supply. That is the market force. You pay more for a gallon of Milk than you do for a gallon of gas. Bush finished a war, if you knew anything, the first war was ended with a cease fire agreement. He violated the cease fire. He had to take care of the situation, as they knew how to make WMD's and were affiliated with terrorist countries. Just think, what if Bill Clinton would've took care of Saddam when he was weak and it would've been easy? What if Clinton would've done it well before Iran got close to having a nuclear weapon? So, go back and drink your booze and learn something about how the world works in business.
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#68 Consumer Comment

This Democretin is insane, and very uneducated!

AUTHOR: Dontbotherme - (U.S.A.)

You really should have the facts, and not be an ignorant, brain-dead liberal parroting the nonsense of your greedy masters in the communist/democretin party.
I don't know why the site would publish such trash.
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#69 Consumer Comment

This Democretin is insane, and very uneducated!

AUTHOR: Dontbotherme - (U.S.A.)

You really should have the facts, and not be an ignorant, brain-dead liberal parroting the nonsense of your greedy masters in the communist/democretin party.
I don't know why the site would publish such trash.
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#70 Consumer Comment

This Democretin is insane, and very uneducated!

AUTHOR: Dontbotherme - (U.S.A.)

You really should have the facts, and not be an ignorant, brain-dead liberal parroting the nonsense of your greedy masters in the communist/democretin party.
I don't know why the site would publish such trash.
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#71 Consumer Comment

Hilary & Bill are the crooks

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

They considered themselves above the law as proven by all the contraversarys around them...and the fact that they have been proven guilty on the worst of them.

Bush while inept is nowhere the crook that the Clintons or even FDR were.

FDR lied a whole lot more than any president before or since to the american people and even is the only one of two to consider disolving the constitution in reality.

FDR came within 3 hours of deciding to declare nationwide martial law to fight the depression... Lincoln only disabled habiasa corpus (??) ..

The fact that FDR even considered it and pondered it for more than a few minutes, is proof enough that he was as crooked as you can get.
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#72 Consumer Comment

To robert you can say what ever you like

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

To robert you can say what ever you like, even try to slander me but I am not worried you do not know my situation. You also do not know me I know the truth & that is all that matters.

People have gone far has to write a false complaint agaisnt me but that doesn't scare me either. But your last comment crossed the line & is completely false.
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#73 Consumer Comment

To robert

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

To robert I do not care if you or anyone else believes my complaints, no I do not fraud the infurance companies they try to fraud us, I hope you know what slander is cause you or anyone else on this site can be held lible for anything u say.

I am not worried I know the truth I really don't care anymore what people say on this site they will lie about you & accuse you of everything. Also if you get hurt on the job robert bye the way the employer accepted responsibilty.

You just can't stand it if I say anything, its amazing how people like you get away with lying about people you don't even know on this site. Of course people have to blame me for everything & make up lies about me.

What you say don't bother me people have tried there best to lie about me, even to go has far to write a false complaint about me. Well people have always said false things about me.

But what you said robert takes the cake I could careless what people believe, you are just saying it to get people agaisnt me.

When people post complaints to this website people are subject to this, people telling lies like u robert, I don't care what you or anyone else thinks or says.
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#74 Consumer Comment

Sure Charles

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

The evil Republicans made Clinton lie about everything, subordinate perjury from others, and have multiple affairs. Yep, the Republicans made him pardon tax cheats, felons, and even went so far as to make his Attorney shoot himself in the head with an inoperable pistol and lay in the supine position on the ground(with no trace of blood anywhere near him).

Yep, the Republicans made him trade in a real estate scam(Whitewater) that bilked millions from all of the investors, while his dutiful wife(now running for President) handled the coverup of the scandal through her lawfirm.

Yes Charles, the Republicans did all that to him. That poor innocent chap.

As for you...both you and your Mommy are Insurance Fraudsters. How is it she can "slip and fall" in two states, while employed as a nurse? I would think her training would allow her to recognize danger. Of course, so did the Unemployment and Workmen's Compensation Boards in GA and AL, which is why they all rejected her frivolous claims. Then there's your attempt at scamming Progressive and GEICO with your driving skills. I still love how you think the cops have no authority on the parking lot of a gas station. You're amazing.
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#75 Consumer Comment

To patrick... republican's set clinton up they were after him from day 1

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

To patrick I really do not care if you or anyone else believes my complaints, you do not know the situation. I always come out ahead no matter how much crap people give to me on this site.

Yall went has far to write a false complaint about me you know who the person is chris, my complaints are not false which nothing chris said about me was true he don't even know me like you or anyone else knows me.

And yes patrick I am not the only one who think's the republican's set clinton up they were after him from day 1.

Again patrick I do not care who believes my complaints.
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#76 Consumer Comment

Can't let this one pass by.

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

Charles,

You just said:

"Besides clinton having the that affair which the republicans where behind it all he still was a good president."

You have GOT to be kidding me! Even you are not stupid enough to believe that the Republicans were behind Clinton having an affair with Monica Lewinski. Please tell me that's not the case!

I've seen some pretty far-fetched statements from you in the past, but this takes the cake.
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#77 Consumer Comment

Clinton did have a surplus

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I don't care what these bush fans say, I don't ever remember gas being $3.00 a gallon when clinton was in office. Besides clinton having the that affair which the republicans where behind it all he still was a good president.

The republicans tried getting him all they can even tried to impeach him, but congress acquitted, of course bush fans will not admit clinton gave this country a surplus.


Look how the bush fans give bush credit & defend him, after what he has done wrong.

Bush is probally friends with bin laden because why would bush invite them, to this country before the 9/11 attacks. Its very strange how the terrorist where able to get away with this murdering those innocent people.


We all wonder how they got away with it, how is it these evil terrorist are allowed to hijack planes to begin with.
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#78 Consumer Comment

That's smart Vote For Obama

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Obama says the first thing he will do is withdraw from Iraq. That will hand Iraq to Iran and Al Qaeda to use as a staging area to attack Israel. Baraack must be a Jew Hater because he is obviously refusing to protect them.

Then he will sit down with Iran and talk to them without pre conditions. What that will do is tell the rest of the world that we don't care about them and we endorse what Iran and other terrorists are doing. No wonder the terrorist groups are endorsing Obama. He is on their side.

Bill clinton having a surplus is a load of crap. He cooked the books. The economy was on the way down as he was leaving and he knew it. Anyone who thinks Bill Clinton handed a strong economy off to Bush is just another Clinton Kool-Aid drinker.
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#79 Consumer Suggestion

Solution Vote for Obama or Hillary

AUTHOR: Arlene - (U.S.A.)

George W. Bush, who yes yes yes yes yes, he stole the last election with the help of Diebold and also stole the previous election is gauging our gas.

He is stealing from us plenty. If you don't remember, he is an ex-failed oil man.
He tried doing the J.R. Ewing thing but failed misserably. And now with the help of his saudi friends is stealing blindly from us.

Solution vote for Obama or Hilary. Well it looks Obama will be the Democratic winner. So vote for Obama.

Don't be fooled and reasearch the past well before speaking. Bill Clinton left this country with a surplus. Bush has bankrupt this country.


An ameba would be a better president than this vile, fidel castro wanna be Bush.
He is an assasin just like Fidel. He hates the Jewish people because most all vote democrat.

McCain is a volatile person. As senator wrote an immigration bill that now is denying ever doing and gets furious when they ask him. Has a lot of residual from his pow days. We do not need another wacko in the White House.

And no matter what they say that he and Bush hate each other, McCain will continue Bush's irresponssible policies until WWIII is here and we will all be obliterated.
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#80 Consumer Comment

shgeesh

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

1. Bush didnt lie... he was lied to
Both congress & bush were lied to.... Bush & Congress based their views on what they were both told.

Only a fool thinks bush lied.

2. katrina failures are all over the place.. but the top blame belongs to the then governor as she is the one who blocked federal help initially until bush overrode federal & state laws that usually block a president.
Note: No federal assistance can be given till the governor requests it.

3. Besides what about the dictator Clinton and her husband.
The socalled surplus had more to do with Clinton doing nothing but sex instead of his job, and letting his wife nearly destroy our country with nationalized health care.

Besises most of Clintons surplus was a leftover from Reagan times.
Note: it takes 4-6 years for nonwar economic affects to show up.
Ie; what a president does (excluding war related) doesnt really do much till 2nd term or later.
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#81 Consumer Comment

I am done with this thread

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

How can the democrats do anything bush has vetoed every bill instead like all bush fans you want to continue to argue when we don't agree with you. Of course bush fans will always blame democrats.

I am not upset @ the demcorats I am upset @ bush though, they are more people agaisnt bush john. Its you bush fans who attack people who don't agree with you.

I am not going to argue anymore bush fans are blind to bush bush, they think they are the only people who knows everything, & if we don't agree with them they attack & result in name calling.
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#82 Consumer Comment

Charles You prove My Point Again

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

You refuse to get mad when your Democrat Congressmen don't attempt to deliver on their promises. Instead you attack anyone who disagrees with you.

Charles, you and Obama will be very happy together. You are going to get to pay more taxes, still have high fuel prices, you and your family will be unsafe, Illegal immigration will become the Norm.

Let's put these winning policies in.
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#83 Consumer Comment

To john

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Bush will not let democrats get out of iraq he keeps veto everything, let me point this out to you it is you & your bush friends who picks on people you result in name calling & abusive insults if we don't support bush.

They have called us traitors cause we didn't vote or support bush. I don't like obama but I will vote for him. But for know my vote is for hillary.

Obama is just say anything to get himself elected he has not won yet. Hillary will be the best chance to take on mccain she won senator & did not take crap from the republican idiot she was running agaisnt.

But I am predicting if they pick obama we will lose I have already accepted mccain will win to be president so I just don't care anymore who wins or loses.
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#84 Consumer Comment

Bush Veto Record

AUTHOR: The Patriot - (U.S.A.)

This is to the person who said Bush didn't veto any bills because the democratic congress hasn't done anything.

By the way, Dems control the House but not the Senate. The Senate is 50/50 plus 2 alternates. So whatever the dems do in the House either doesn't pass the Senate or Bush vetoes.

Below is a list of Bush vetoes since last July. There were 11 vetoes, I have 9 here.

1. July 19, 2006: Vetoed H.R. 810, Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2005, a bill to ease restrictions on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. Override attempt failed in House, 235-193 (286 needed).

2. May 1, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 1591, U.S. Troop Readiness, Veterans' Care, Katrina Recovery, and Iraq Accountability Appropriations Act, 2007. Override attempt failed in House, 222-203 (284 needed). A later version of the bill that excluded certain aspects of the initial legislation that the President disapproved of, H.R. 2206, was enacted as Pub.L. 110-28 with the President's approval.

3. June 20, 2007: Vetoed S. 5, Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act of 2007.

4. October 3, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 976, Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007 ("SCHIP"). Override attempt failed in House, 273-156 (286 votes needed).

5. November 2, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 1495, Water Resources Development Act of 2007. Overridden by House, 361-54 (277 votes needed). Overridden by Senate, 79-14 (62 needed), and enacted as Pub.L. 110-114 over President's veto.
6. November 13, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 3043, Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act of 2008. Override attempt failed in House, 277-141 (279 votes needed).

7. December 12, 2007: Vetoed H.R. 3963, Children's Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act of 2007[18]. Override attempt failed in House, 260-152 (275 votes needed).

8. December 28, 2007: Pocket Vetoed H.R. 1585, National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008[19]

9. March 8, 2008: Vetoed H.R. 2082, Intelligence Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008.[20] [21]. Override attempt failed in House, 225-188.

To those who are so hateful, check the facts.
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#85 Consumer Comment

Charles, Answer some Questions

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Charles:
I have asked you some simple questions and instead of answering we hear how much you hate Bush. Try again.

Are you upset at your Democratic congress that guaranteed you they would lower gas prices in 2006 if you elected them and they have done NOTHING? Bush is unable to veto a bill because Nancy Pelosi has not introduced one to vote on.

Please explain how the 4.00 Gas is all George Bush's fault?

Why are you not upset that the DEMOCRATS have made no attempt to get out of IRAQ?

How about some answers charles instead of attacking the people who ask you the questions
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#86 Consumer Comment

i am not embarassed

AUTHOR: Pad - (U.S.A.)

you remind me of a flower,,,,,,,,,,,,,, a blooming idiot. you liberals are all the same. when a democrat is president with republician congress its the president that gets the glory. but if a republican president with a democrat congress its the congress gets the glory and the president gets all the blame. but heaven forbid if someone says something about a democrat president oh my momma have mercy liberals have a one track mind. and there blooming. its the liberals that has run this country into the ground. and hey liberels remember when clinton did his so called investagation when gas hit 3 bucks a gallon when he was in office and clinton said there is nothing wrong with what the oil companys are charging its ok to make over 300% profit. yeah thats right clinton not bush or the republican congress but liberals dont remember the bad stuff
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#87 Consumer Comment

John strikes again

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I am not embarassed.

I apologize for the misspelled word everyone makes mistakes when typing.

One question john how am I stealing oxygen yet another lie & abusive comment

from john.
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#88 Consumer Comment

You amuse me

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"Look @ how many people who have gotten introuble if you say anything bad about bush, remember that high school kid who turned his teacher for speaking agaisnt bush?."

High School is not supposed to be for indoctrination Charles. That teacher was spewing his idiocy in a math class. If he wanted to teach politics, he should have changed his teaching credentials to Poli-Sci.

"If this isn't dictatorship robert then what do you call it dan rather losed his job because of bush I am not embarassed what I say because I don't care what people think."

Dan Rather lost his job because he tried to use fraudulent information to sway an election. Apparantly you do care what people think. Bush did not fire him, CBS did.

"People are ridculed who speak agaisnt bush calling us tratiors cause we didn't vote for him, bush fans & republicans are trying to turn america into a dictatorship counrty."

Again, be specific. What laws have been passed to allow Bush to rule with dictatorial powers? Be specific.

"We are not allowed to say anything agaisnt bush even if he is wrong, everyone has said bush wants to be a dictator. Why do you think we arent allowed to speak agaisnt bush without being ridculed from the bush fans."

and yet, you speak out against him constantly. How are you able to do this if you cannot do this?

"Karl rove should be put in prision. I guess bush fans like paying $4.00 for gas today. My state of alabama is messed up because it is run buy republicans. They have a big billboard sign telling us vote republican, I tell them screw them."

What crime has Karl Rove committed that would impose a prison sentence? The price of oil is controlled by the free market. It is a traded commodity on the world market. The oil companies average about 9% profit, or roughly 30 cents/gallon. State and Federal taxes account for about 60 cents/gallon. Who's reaping the big money from that gallon of gas? The oil company that produced it after spending billions of dollars to aquire it, or the Governments that just hold out their hands...one with a gun forcing the companies to pay?

"I will never vote republican."

I cannot understand why you are allowed to vote at all.
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#89 Consumer Comment

'I am not embarassment'

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Ha. Yet another lie and misspelled word. Please stop stealing our oxygen. Thanks.
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#90 Consumer Comment

Here We Go Again

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

ok no wmd found.Iraq a Soreign nation?A selfish tyrant,murdering his own people.With chemical weapons,Saddam murdered many people.A haven for terrorists to train and haven for Iranian terrorists.Every terrorist in the world should be exterminated.I don't want those terrorists coming back over here murdering our people.We should go anywhere these terrorists hide and do away with them.

On 9/11,Innocent people died We were attacked. the terrorists started it.As an American it made my blood boil in anger.We need to fight on.Justice for those folks who died deserve it Justice must be served for the victims of this tragedy.
Our military will win the war They are the best.
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#91 Consumer Comment

I am not embarassment

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Look @ how many people who have gotten introuble if you say anything bad about bush, remember that high school kid who turned his teacher for speaking agaisnt bush?.

If this isn't dictatorship robert then what do you call it dan rather losed his job because of bush I am not embarassed what I say because I don't care what people think.

People are ridculed who speak agaisnt bush calling us tratiors cause we didn't vote for him, bush fans & republicans are trying to turn america into a dictatorship counrty.

We are not allowed to say anything agaisnt bush even if he is wrong, everyone has said bush wants to be a dictator. Why do you think we arent allowed to speak agaisnt bush without being ridculed from the bush fans.

Karl rove should be put in prision. I guess bush fans like paying $4.00 for gas today. My state of alabama is messed up because it is run buy republicans. They have a big billboard sign telling us vote republican, I tell them screw them.

I will never vote republican.
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#92 Consumer Comment

Give examples...be specific

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"Do you enjoy this sort of thing?, insulting people & embarassing them on this site. Well nothing you say bothers me you like to keep arguements going like most bush fans."

If you are embarrassed by what you say, do not say it.

"We will not put up with bush trying to be a dictator, & trying to turn america into a dictatorship country we has as americans cannot let this happen. Everyone gets introuble if they do not agree with bush & cheney this is dictatorship."

How do equate a representative republic with a dictatorship? Do you understand the differences between the two? Name one thing Bush has done that has not been approved by Congress, which is run by the Democrats, who all hate him.

"Bush would (love) to be a dictator controlling everything we do or say, this is not how a president should treat us. Mccain would be worse."

Again, be specific and name one thing Bush has done that would give you the impression he wants to be a dictator.

"I don't like obama but if he wins the democrat party nomination I will vote for him I will not vote for mccain."

Huh? YOU would vote for a black man? The same black man who has been keeping whitey down all these years? Say it aint so.
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#93 Consumer Comment

To robert

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Do you enjoy this sort of thing?, insulting people & embarassing them on this site. Well nothing you say bothers me you like to keep arguements going like most bush fans.

We will not put up with bush trying to be a dictator, & trying to turn america into a dictatorship country we has as americans cannot let this happen. Everyone gets introuble if they do not agree with bush & cheney this is dictatorship.

Bush would (love) to be a dictator controlling everything we do or say, this is not how a president should treat us. Mccain would be worse.

I don't like obama but if he wins the democrat party nomination I will vote for him I will not vote for mccain.
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#94 Consumer Comment

I cannot stop laughing!!!!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"So mccain will make our lives even harder. These bush fans amaze us they say democrats are full of hatred they are the ones who is full of hatred."

And yet, it's Obama who is now trying desperately to distance himself from his Pastor, the same Pastor he said was his guide and mentor last week. Amazing how he just now heard the hate and bigotry his mentor has been spewing for over 20 years, while he sat in the front row of the Church.

"People do not need to make the same mistake they did in 2000, bush has made the lives for the middle class people & poor like hell mccain will make it even harder for us to live."

Hey Charles...you would need to have a JOB in order to begin qualifying for the middle class. You have no JOB, so you do not qualify.

"I still don't know how I have survied."

My eyes are watering over this one. ASK YOUR MOMMY!!!! She pays for everything, you mooch. If she would ever shoo you away from her nipple, you may end up seeing what life really is like.

"The democrats can't do anything cause bush has vetoed every single bill."

Name one. Bush is a better big spender than Ted Kennedy.

"The republicans make our lives miserable, but we aren't suppose to say anything about it."

What EXACTLY have the evil Republicans done to you? Be specific.

"Republicans aren't turning america into dictatorship country."

I wish. Hopefully it'll be a Militaristic one, and all the bums and other dead weight will be tossed into labor camps.
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#95 Consumer Comment

So mccain will make our lives even harder

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

So mccain will make our lives even harder. These bush fans amaze us they say democrats are full of hatred they are the ones who is full of hatred.

People do not need to make the same mistake they did in 2000, bush has made the lives for the middle class people & poor like hell mccain will make it even harder for us to live.

I still don't know how I have survied. The democrats can't do anything cause bush has vetoed every single bill. The republicans make our lives miserable, but we aren't suppose to say anything about it.

Republicans aren't turning america into dictatorship country.
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#96 Consumer Comment

Right Wing politicians have been pulling bait & switch scams on the middle and lower classes

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Yes...Bush is horrible...but he is a symptom of a much larger problem of the corporate takeover of our government....This didn't happen overnight with the election of Bush...it's been building gradually as Right Wing politicians have been pulling bait & switch scams on the middle and lower classes over alleged "values" issues...The truth is that they don't give a rat's a## about the poor and the middle classes...These are simply people to be manipulated into voting against their own economic interests.
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#97 Consumer Comment

Charles, Why can't you answer the Question?

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

I asked you a very straightforward question. what is Nancy Pelosi's plan and why hasn't she even presented it? Instead, you attack president Bush. Why don't you quit spewing hatred towards anyone that soes not agree with you and have a rational discussion?

Again Charles, what is this great plan? She hasn't even responded to the suggestion that they lower or suspend the Government Taxes on gas to give us all some relief. She won't take that suggestion because it came from John McCain.

Charles, instead of telling me how much you HATE everybody answer some questions like a rational person.
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#98 Consumer Comment

There is no high demand for oil

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

There is no high demand for oil or there is no gas shortage, they are price gouging us. Funny bushs last year & yet the gas is $4.00 in some areas its $3.59 in my area.

Well when the gas prices are high it makes our life harder, its even harder for people who make min wage. Gas has never been this the gas companies see the big $ coming in so they keep it high its all about money not about high demand for oil.

People can't even fill there cars only have to drive around with a half of tank of gas.
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#99 Consumer Comment

update

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

We all know the bush fans will not admit about what bad things bush or the republican congress have done, then they blame democrats for everything. Bush has veto every single bill the democrats gave to him.


Of course you will deny that john like most bush fans so don't blame the democrats for doing nothing, they can't as long bush is president. There will be a democrat next year for president to clean up the mess bush left behind.
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#100 Consumer Comment

update

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

We all know the bush fans will not admit about what bad things bush or the republican congress have done, then they blame democrats for everything. Bush has veto every single bill the democrats gave to him.


Of course you will deny that john like most bush fans so don't blame the democrats for doing nothing, they can't as long bush is president. There will be a democrat next year for president to clean up the mess bush left behind.
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#101 Consumer Comment

update

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

We all know the bush fans will not admit about what bad things bush or the republican congress have done, then they blame democrats for everything. Bush has veto every single bill the democrats gave to him.


Of course you will deny that john like most bush fans so don't blame the democrats for doing nothing, they can't as long bush is president. There will be a democrat next year for president to clean up the mess bush left behind.
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#102 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

We all know the bush fans will not admit about what bad things bush or the republican congress have done, then they blame democrats for everything. Bush has veto every single bill the democrats gave to him.


Of course you will deny that john like most bush fans so don't blame the democrats for doing nothing, they can't as long bush is president. There will be a democrat next year for president to clean up the mess bush left behind.
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#103 Consumer Comment

Charles, What Veto?

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

We were talking about Nancy Pelosi's promise to lower gas prices.
In order for you to say that the reason is because Bush vetoed it please submit proof. In order for Bush to veto anything they need to submit the bill first. How can you possibly say it is Bush's fault when the do-nothing Democratic congress has not even started on a bill? Again Charles, Your democrats lied to you and made false promises so that YOU would be dumb enough to think they would take care of you.
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#104 Consumer Comment

To john

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

This is to you john. It is cause bush vetos everything of course you bush fans will not admit any wrong bush has done, the republicans are the real liars. But you bush fans will defend any wrong bush has done.

Bush stole the surplus clinton gave this country You bush fans are really amazing giving all the republicans credit they don't deserve. Bush is nothing but a bully to get what he wants.

The bush admit are nothing but liars then you accuse democrats of being liars, how can the democrats do anything john if bush vetos everything, I am not going to argue with you anymore on this.

The republicans punish us middle class people you need to think about what you say, I am sure you will come back telling me how democrats are such liars. When infact its the republicans who are the real liars.
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#105 Consumer Comment

To sed

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

You bush fans are really amazing giving all the republicans credit they don't deserve. The republican's did not give the united states a surplus clinton did you just hate him cause he was a democrat, also the republicans did not give a d**n about us middle class working people.

When republicans are in power there is corrupution they want everything for themsevles & ship american jobs overseas. Republicans don't deserve any credit you can deny all you want that clinton didn't give us a surplus & bush squander it.

Bush is nothing but a bully which most republicans are, I would not trust mccain.
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#106 Consumer Comment

Charles think about what you are saying

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Charles:
You say that electing democrats will fix our problems. Why hasn't your democratec congress not done ANYTHING they promised since they were elected. Nancy Pelosi PROMISED the American People that they woul lower the Gas Priced ans that they have a great plan. It is 2 years later and she refuses to even say what that plan was? Do you really want people that LIE direct to your face to be elected?
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#107 Consumer Comment

Get Real

AUTHOR: Sed - (U.S.A.)

The President of the US does not control the money of the US Congres does. Bill Clinton did not give us a surplus the Republican congress did. George Bush did not squander the surplus the Republican and now Democratic congress did. As far as oil prices the government could remove the tax. A hefty portion of the price of a gallon of gas is government tax. The demand for oil is high and in a free market economy that is what drives the price of oil.
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#108 Consumer Comment

Get Real

AUTHOR: Sed - (U.S.A.)

The President of the US does not control the money of the US Congres does. Bill Clinton did not give us a surplus the Republican congress did. George Bush did not squander the surplus the Republican and now Democratic congress did. As far as oil prices the government could remove the tax. A hefty portion of the price of a gallon of gas is government tax. The demand for oil is high and in a free market economy that is what drives the price of oil.
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#109 Consumer Comment

Get Real

AUTHOR: Sed - (U.S.A.)

The President of the US does not control the money of the US Congres does. Bill Clinton did not give us a surplus the Republican congress did. George Bush did not squander the surplus the Republican and now Democratic congress did. As far as oil prices the government could remove the tax. A hefty portion of the price of a gallon of gas is government tax. The demand for oil is high and in a free market economy that is what drives the price of oil.
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#110 Consumer Comment

Get Real

AUTHOR: Sed - (U.S.A.)

The President of the US does not control the money of the US Congres does. Bill Clinton did not give us a surplus the Republican congress did. George Bush did not squander the surplus the Republican and now Democratic congress did. As far as oil prices the government could remove the tax. A hefty portion of the price of a gallon of gas is government tax. The demand for oil is high and in a free market economy that is what drives the price of oil.
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#111 Consumer Comment

Stop wasting time.

AUTHOR: Taken4thousands - (U.S.A.)

Everyone on here, since the begining of this post, is worthless. I came across this post and read most of it. If you are so passionate about your opinions, go out and do something about it. Wasting your time expressing yourself on a website that has nothing to do with the topic you are writing about is pathetic.

Bush does suck, but what are you going to about it.

The countries economical situation sucks, but what are you going to do about it.

Go out and do something worth doing.
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#112 Consumer Comment

Charles your knowledge is lacking, and your post above lacks integrity! Where wery u in 1974?

AUTHOR: Justice Once And For All - (U.S.A.)

Charles, you say that there was an attempt at impeaching Mr. Clinton. There was. May I remind you that Mr. Nixon, a Republican resigned under the threat of impeachment.

After he had just ended the Viet Nam War. The Watergate coverup. He did in fact conspire to cover up the Watergate investigation, and clearly had overstepped and interfered in government law.

Now, as for Mr. Clinton. There is always prosperity after a war, and he got a lot of undue credit after the Gulf War ended. Any President would have been successful, once the Gulf War ended, economicly. He also betrayed healthcare reforms he promised, and embraced the Corporate community agendas.

I assure you that Mr. Clinton's admission of "the cigar incident" under the desk of the oval office with Monica Lewinsky, fifty years from now, will be a topic of jokes, indignation, immorality, and people by that time unless they review newstapes of the time won't even believe a President admitted to committing this crazy, kinky, almost unbelievable act in the White House Oval Office, almost unbelievable ten years later. What was he thinking, the act it self is ........I cannot put into words the absurdity of it.

Your post showed a lack of historical knowledge.

I'll give you Mr. Bush remains a disaster President for the working and middle class, as we lose jobs, become poorer, as a result of his domestic machinations.

However there has been no other domestic terror acts on American soil sinCe the disaster in NYC. The anthrax murders remain unsolved.

I will reserve judgment on one thing though.......REMEMBER 9/11.
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#113 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

All bush supporter's are stupid there is more corruption today then ever before. All bush & the republican's have caused is a divided country people agaisnt each other & fighting amoung the citizens of the united state's.


Bush even denied relief to the american prisoners in the 1980's he denied them money for there pain & suffering he would not allow them to sue the other country who kepted them captive for month's.


It make's you wonder why bush wouldn't not let these people sue for there damange's he denied it & how can these bush moron's say bush is a good president.


You see how these bush moron supporter's talk hateful to people this is why I dislike republican's. Republican's are dishonest people, & yet if they do anything wrong they don't get impeached or kicked out like how they tried to impeach clinton.
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AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

All bush supporter's are stupid there is more corruption today then ever before. All bush & the republican's have caused is a divided country people agaisnt each other & fighting amoung the citizens of the united state's.


Bush even denied relief to the american prisoners in the 1980's he denied them money for there pain & suffering he would not allow them to sue the other country who kepted them captive for month's.


It make's you wonder why bush wouldn't not let these people sue for there damange's he denied it & how can these bush moron's say bush is a good president.


You see how these bush moron supporter's talk hateful to people this is why I dislike republican's. Republican's are dishonest people, & yet if they do anything wrong they don't get impeached or kicked out like how they tried to impeach clinton.
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AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

All bush supporter's are stupid there is more corruption today then ever before. All bush & the republican's have caused is a divided country people agaisnt each other & fighting amoung the citizens of the united state's.


Bush even denied relief to the american prisoners in the 1980's he denied them money for there pain & suffering he would not allow them to sue the other country who kepted them captive for month's.


It make's you wonder why bush wouldn't not let these people sue for there damange's he denied it & how can these bush moron's say bush is a good president.


You see how these bush moron supporter's talk hateful to people this is why I dislike republican's. Republican's are dishonest people, & yet if they do anything wrong they don't get impeached or kicked out like how they tried to impeach clinton.
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AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

All bush supporter's are stupid there is more corruption today then ever before. All bush & the republican's have caused is a divided country people agaisnt each other & fighting amoung the citizens of the united state's.


Bush even denied relief to the american prisoners in the 1980's he denied them money for there pain & suffering he would not allow them to sue the other country who kepted them captive for month's.


It make's you wonder why bush wouldn't not let these people sue for there damange's he denied it & how can these bush moron's say bush is a good president.


You see how these bush moron supporter's talk hateful to people this is why I dislike republican's. Republican's are dishonest people, & yet if they do anything wrong they don't get impeached or kicked out like how they tried to impeach clinton.
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#117 Consumer Comment

Talking about this isn't going to solve the problem

AUTHOR: Toby - (U.S.A.)

I read a few of the comments about this subject. All the talk about if the President is doing a good job or bad job won't change the war or the gas prices. Talk is like the wind, it can be hear today and gone tomorrow. People talk so much about a subject that people tend to forget what the subject matter was about. When he was put in office we as a nation have to take the good with the bad. None of the comment about this subject are going to change anything in the world so tell me what is the point of all of these comments. If we want to change the world we need to start caring more about our fellow man. Now that would greatly change the world.
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#118 Consumer Comment

Talking about this isn't going to solve the problem

AUTHOR: Toby - (U.S.A.)

I read a few of the comments about this subject. All the talk about if the President is doing a good job or bad job won't change the war or the gas prices. Talk is like the wind, it can be hear today and gone tomorrow. People talk so much about a subject that people tend to forget what the subject matter was about. When he was put in office we as a nation have to take the good with the bad. None of the comment about this subject are going to change anything in the world so tell me what is the point of all of these comments. If we want to change the world we need to start caring more about our fellow man. Now that would greatly change the world.
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#119 Consumer Comment

Talking about this isn't going to solve the problem

AUTHOR: Toby - (U.S.A.)

I read a few of the comments about this subject. All the talk about if the President is doing a good job or bad job won't change the war or the gas prices. Talk is like the wind, it can be hear today and gone tomorrow. People talk so much about a subject that people tend to forget what the subject matter was about. When he was put in office we as a nation have to take the good with the bad. None of the comment about this subject are going to change anything in the world so tell me what is the point of all of these comments. If we want to change the world we need to start caring more about our fellow man. Now that would greatly change the world.
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#120 Consumer Comment

Talking about this isn't going to solve the problem

AUTHOR: Toby - (U.S.A.)

I read a few of the comments about this subject. All the talk about if the President is doing a good job or bad job won't change the war or the gas prices. Talk is like the wind, it can be hear today and gone tomorrow. People talk so much about a subject that people tend to forget what the subject matter was about. When he was put in office we as a nation have to take the good with the bad. None of the comment about this subject are going to change anything in the world so tell me what is the point of all of these comments. If we want to change the world we need to start caring more about our fellow man. Now that would greatly change the world.
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#121 Consumer Comment

Traditional Republicans, traditional democrats, excepting FDR, an oil war, and less jobs for sure

AUTHOR: Justice Once And For All - (U.S.A.)

Democrats as Presidents have traditionally been domestic oriented. Republican Presidents in the last century have been internationally oriented.

As of this writing electricity has not been restored in Iraq. Security, for the average citizen has not been restored in Iraq. School, social programs, medical and business institutions have not been stabilized in Iraq. The only industry that has been completely restored, and stabilized in Iraq, has been the oil industry.

Also a decision had been made that American military power would be demonstrated, no matter what, after 9/11, it would be shown to the world that the US. could remove any government if it wanted. Mr. Quadafi immediately started changing his tone, and rhetoric in the middle east, and has since become very silent, anyone notice?

Surprised, none of the secret reasons for this war have been mentioned. One was to insure that oil would flow, from Iraq, and Saddam Hussein, who had planned to blockade the Gulf of Hormuz to slowly cut off oil to the west, would be unsuccessful, thus the only restored institution in Iraq as of now, is the oil industry.
I believe in 1956 France and England declared war on Egypt for attempting the same thing in the Suez canal, and the US brokered a peace when Russia threatened to inteervene. There will be western troops in the mideast, as long as the west is dependent on oil. No U.S. President will allow for a cutoff of oil, from the mideast. Notice the rumblings of war re American backed Colombia and anti-American oil rich Venezuela lately? Oil war on the horizon? Has it ever happened before. When Japan was at war w/China, their main source of oil was the Dutch West Indies. When Holland fell to German occupation, the U.S. cut oil exports to Japan, as surrogate for Holland, these little nasty secrets of history.

Israel was bleeding. Remember picking up the newspaper from 99-01, headlines almost daily: "bomb kills 24 in Israeli nightclub, suicide bomber blows himself up on Tel Aviv bus, tourists slaughtered at Israeli beach. You no longer see these headlines. Sadaam Hussein was financing that campaign, giving the family of any suicide bomber in Israel $25,00-$50,000.

Can't be made too public, or obvious, wouldn't want it to look like the U.S. was intervening in the middle east militarily. Hmmm wonder if Israel was threatening to use nuclear retaliation-- don't know, it has been speculated.

Bush domesticly for the average working American man? A disaster. Out sourceing, tax breaks for corp.'s, disappearing pensions, oh, it might continue, in case you read about it in next year or so, friend of mine, married Phillipino girl. Lives in Manilla. Announced there recently, land given to J.P. Morgan Chase for free. Chase to be moving auto finance, and treasury dept there from Tampa, and Lake Mary Fl, in next year or so, won't you love to hear from someone in the Phillipines about your late car payment (apologies to Philipinos, political issue, great people), yeah domesticly Mr. Bush a disaster.

Internationally- Remember 9/11 - It remains to be seen.
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#122 Consumer Comment

People wanted change they got change

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

When people want bush to be president they wanted change. Well they got change 9/11/01 happend we have a new war businesses are more corrupt, they are more dishonest people scam's thieve's.


So when people wanted change they got what they wanted. Gas is know $3.00 because of the war in iraq, foreclosure is @ a all time high people are losing there home's & living on the street's. So we all got change when they wanted republican's in office.


But if they vote for mccain I can't imagine what the next 4 year's will be.
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#123 Consumer Comment

To patrick

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Sorry to say this patrick, but we do not want another republican in the white house for the next 4 year's bush has screwed everything up so bad for the american people why would people elect another republican.


Nobody want's mccain in office he has a hateful attuide like bush does, republican's do not care for american's. They are bad people in both parties but it's not fair to say that democrat's do bad thing's without holding republican's accountable for there action's.


Republican's do not get introuble for anything they try to get every democrat introuble, republican's sweap it under the rug. Like that gay republican senator looking for men in bathroom & he said clintion was nasty.


Also patrick it is not up to bush to say republican's will still have the white house it is up to us the american people, it is not up to bush nor the republican's to make us vote for him & to have republican's for governor in every state.


I do not trust republican's gas is $3.19 & there is corruption all over the country in the history of the united state's. Businesses are more corrput government agencie's will not help people instead our government has mistreated us.


The republican's punish the middle class & poor people bush has destroyed everything this country has stood for. Bush get's angry if we don't agree with him so he punishes us.


Nobody want's mccain in office he is another bush wanna be, but let people vote for mccain they will suffer the consquenses like we have for the last 8 year's.


I could care less if people hate me cause I don't support bush that is my right has an american citizen. Mccain has people brainwashed just like bush had.
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#124 Consumer Comment

Sorry Charles,

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

but McCain is going to get elected as the next President of the United States. And he will not do it by "cheating" like everyone said Bush did (at least Al was then able to go out and make his "movie"). And the war on terror will continue.

Does this mean we'll have the joy of listening to you continue to whine and complain about how the Republicans are ruining your life?
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#125 Consumer Comment

To Cirrusnarea

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

This is to Cirrusnarea the editor of this site does not remove report's so you will have no luck. First of all we have just has much right to our opinion has you bush fan's, this isn't dictatorship country opinion.


Your people continue to bash our former president bill clinton but we are not allowed to say anything about bush why should we be afraid to speak out, people like you should not be allowed to vote you do not know what you are doing.


We are sick of our right's being violated & bush has violated everyone one of them. I'll be glad when bush leave's office nobody want's mccain to be president either he is another bush wanna be, we can't take anymore suffering another 4 year's.
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#126 Consumer Comment

Immature, irrelevant, and unconvincing troll ripoff report.

AUTHOR: Cirrusnarea - (U.S.A.)

I have notified ripoff report about this this post and hopefully it will be removed. I urge all other readers of this 'ripoff report' to do the same.

This website, www.ripoffreport.com is meant to give consumers a voice and report business who have scammed us, not to self-righteously spout our political opinions. At the very least if this person was going to use this website to give his political opinions, he could have been more professional about it. Instead we have a very short post, and a silly comic that offers no evidence of any of the claims.

I'm sure this author is of the persuasion that 9/11 was an inside job, and no doubt believes the jews are responsible. Funny how the KKK types have so much courage to spout their hate speech online.

Email ripoff report and report this inappropriate 'ripoff report.'
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#127 Consumer Comment

Do you honestly believe George W bush is regulating the gas prices at your local gas station?

AUTHOR: Tamie - (U.S.A.)

I cannot wait for Bush to be out of office just so these nut job, conspiracy theorists will have to look for someone new, maybe Obama to terrorize. It just makes no sense. soon it will be over.
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#128 Consumer Comment

Look in the mirror before you criticize.

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

Dude:

I took the liberty of revising your comments because you obviously do not have a firm grasp on the English language just yet. I figured you had a great grip on the subject of Economics and Foreign Policy; so, I wanted to ensure you were well rounded. Below are just a few of my suggestions, however, I did not revise the content of your argument; even though I found it to be the most asinine comment on this thread.

Anything within the brackets is either a deletion or addition; happy reading!

I do not believe anything the oil companies say
These [B]ush fan's never learn to quit with the[ir] lies & insult[]s. I[] do not believe
[anything] they say[;] why did the gas prices mysterious raise after bush became
president[?] [G]as has never been this high[,] the oil companies are lying. I[] do not believe any of the[ir] lies when they raise the gas cause they are making billion[]s. Gas prices, before the war[,] w[ere] $1.05 in my area []now the gas has tripled[.] It [i]s []now $2.92 [and] has gotten to $3.00 in my area. People, who drive diesel vehicle[]s ha[ve] to pay more [] for diesel fuel [which] is over $3.00[.] I am glad I don't have to drive diesel vehicle[]s. Trucker[]s ha[ve] to pay more but companies[] pay for the[ir] driver[]s fuel[; however,] [i]f you are an owner operat[o]r you pay for your own fuel. Soon, trucking companies will be a thing of the past[,] because [] the oil companies [and] the high gas prices the oil companies[] are stealing from us []. Soon, the railroad industry will take over the trucking industry [and] many driver[]s will be out of the[ir] job[]s because of these greedy oil companies.
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#129 Consumer Comment

I do not believe anything the oil companies say

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

These bush fan's never learn to quit with there lies & insult's. I, do not believe

nothing they say why did the gas prices mysterious raise after bush became

president, gas has never been this high the oil companies are lying. I, do not

believe any of there lies when they raise the gas cause they are making billion's.

Gas prices, before the war was $1.05 in my area know the gas has trippled It Is

Know $2.92 It has gotten to $3.00 in my area. People, who drive diesel vehicle's

has to pay more then for regular gas price for diesel fuel is over $3.00, I am glad

I don't have to drive diesel vehicle's. Trucker's has to pay more but companies,

pay for there driver's fuel If you are an owner operater you pay for your own fuel.

Soon, trucking companies will be a thing of the past because of the oil companies

& the high gas prices the oil companies, are stealing from us & also trucking

companies. Soon, the railroad industry will take over the trucking industry & many

driver's will be out of there job's because of these greedy oil companies.
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#130 Consumer Comment

Liberals are amazing

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

I can't believe a post like this created all this. For the umptenth time, the stockpiling and building of WOMD was gathered by domestic and foreign intel...not Bush. Believe it or not, Dems went along with this as well, not just Bush and Republicans. Al Queda is capable of building nukes, as well as chemical weapons...but to libs, who cares right. Let's just sit back and call on our national guards, while an enemy like no other, who would kill our women and children in the name of islam plans attacks.

And for the many people who say eff Bush, we need a Dem in the office. So does it matter to you if he/she is qualified? I'm a registered Republican, but I will vote for whoever is most qualified. To libs, I don't think you really care. You just don't want to see a Republican in office. That's completly moronic and dangerous. Yeah, we all know Dems don't want to work with Republicans, we are basically a-holes. Being close-minded is foolish, and if Hillary gets elected, we're all effed.
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#131 Consumer Comment

Liberals are amazing

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

I can't believe a post like this created all this. For the umptenth time, the stockpiling and building of WOMD was gathered by domestic and foreign intel...not Bush. Believe it or not, Dems went along with this as well, not just Bush and Republicans. Al Queda is capable of building nukes, as well as chemical weapons...but to libs, who cares right. Let's just sit back and call on our national guards, while an enemy like no other, who would kill our women and children in the name of islam plans attacks.

And for the many people who say eff Bush, we need a Dem in the office. So does it matter to you if he/she is qualified? I'm a registered Republican, but I will vote for whoever is most qualified. To libs, I don't think you really care. You just don't want to see a Republican in office. That's completly moronic and dangerous. Yeah, we all know Dems don't want to work with Republicans, we are basically a-holes. Being close-minded is foolish, and if Hillary gets elected, we're all effed.
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#132 Consumer Comment

Liberals are amazing

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

I can't believe a post like this created all this. For the umptenth time, the stockpiling and building of WOMD was gathered by domestic and foreign intel...not Bush. Believe it or not, Dems went along with this as well, not just Bush and Republicans. Al Queda is capable of building nukes, as well as chemical weapons...but to libs, who cares right. Let's just sit back and call on our national guards, while an enemy like no other, who would kill our women and children in the name of islam plans attacks.

And for the many people who say eff Bush, we need a Dem in the office. So does it matter to you if he/she is qualified? I'm a registered Republican, but I will vote for whoever is most qualified. To libs, I don't think you really care. You just don't want to see a Republican in office. That's completly moronic and dangerous. Yeah, we all know Dems don't want to work with Republicans, we are basically a-holes. Being close-minded is foolish, and if Hillary gets elected, we're all effed.
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#133 Consumer Comment

Liberals are amazing

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

I can't believe a post like this created all this. For the umptenth time, the stockpiling and building of WOMD was gathered by domestic and foreign intel...not Bush. Believe it or not, Dems went along with this as well, not just Bush and Republicans. Al Queda is capable of building nukes, as well as chemical weapons...but to libs, who cares right. Let's just sit back and call on our national guards, while an enemy like no other, who would kill our women and children in the name of islam plans attacks.

And for the many people who say eff Bush, we need a Dem in the office. So does it matter to you if he/she is qualified? I'm a registered Republican, but I will vote for whoever is most qualified. To libs, I don't think you really care. You just don't want to see a Republican in office. That's completly moronic and dangerous. Yeah, we all know Dems don't want to work with Republicans, we are basically a-holes. Being close-minded is foolish, and if Hillary gets elected, we're all effed.
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#134 Consumer Comment

Tony, are you really as big of a moron as this post makes you sound?

AUTHOR: Travisj - (U.S.A.)

Well Tony you must be another one of those liberal people that think bush drove up the fuel cost, WRONG... The fuel prices are up but that is not by just one mans hand. The prices of fuel are not governed by the president, You mainly looking for someone to blame so lets blame Bush for all like most ignorant people do in this country. If people do research and open their eyes they would see the truth about why fuel costs are so high. Ever wondered why gas stations change names so often and why all the stations prices are so close together, Well it is simple they are all working closely together in a kind of network so that there is no competition between the fuel companies. They do this so they have complete control over their market and it can not be deregulated by the government because if no fuel company is unhappy then there will be no reports filed with the FTC and there will be no government mandating or regulating of the price of fuel. Take a look at the following info: http://www.eia.doe.gov/
also please take a look at this site and get a feeling about The
"The Federal Excise Tax on Gasoline and the Highway Trust Fund"
http://www.ncseonline.org/NLE/CRSreports/Transportation/trans-24.cfm?&CFID=8539261&CFTOKEN=71797464#_1_1
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#135 Consumer Comment

While BUSH is bad, what have YOU done?

AUTHOR: M - (U.S.A.)

Bush was bad before we let him get elected. we let him remain elected. We didn't protest enough. "We the people" have done nothing but complain. While yes, I agree with you...Bush is bad, in fact the worst we could have ever imagined, but what have WE done?

We are allowed to peacefully assemble, so why didn't we? Oh yeah, I forgot for asecond...we were all working extra hours for less pay paying more for everything than ever before and we were too exhausted to have time for such crucially important thinsg like properly protesting what has become a most corrupt government.

Bush is just the poster child when the system is to blame. We have become subjects of the Military Indutrial Complex. We have allowed too much for too long and perhaps it is time that we all DO MORE to assure this corruption ends with this murderous regime otherwise known as the BUSH.

If we elect it again, it is we the people who are to blame. We should have pushed harder to have him indicted for his crimes during Election 2000! Eight years later, here we are: in a mess we will never see the end of. We let a greedy leader lead us to the m iddle of the middle east where we are just kicking up sand in a duststorm & allowing murder and torture for oil that ironically costs far more than ever before.

SOLUTION: Make lobbying illegal. Make WAR mongers responsible for their crimes. And when it isn't right: protest peacefully until the problem is resolved entirely.

We allowed America to rear her ugly side yet again by allowing capitolism and hypocritical,religious misled liars to take us to review how we continue to repeat our history again & again. We have done nothing. Telling people how bad Bush was going to be before he was "elected" in 2000 fell on deaf ears because of IDIOCRACY within our own people who chose to fall for religious murderers time and time again.

Stand for nothing, fall for anything. Half of America fell so hard because none of us stood up long enough! Who is to blame??? WE ARE!
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#136 Consumer Suggestion

PUT THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS

AUTHOR: Garry - (U.S.A.)

In the mid 70,s OPEC started to show their greed. America has oil reserves as great and greater than the middle east. America has oil wells off the left coast that have been ready to pump oil sense the mid 60's but have yet to pump a drop. There hasn't been a refinery built in 35 years yet these tree huggers and save the whale enviormental brain dead expect these old refinerys to make 40 different blends of fuel.

Now being George Bush has done everything in his power to open these reserves and these wells and at the same time these socialist, tree hugging, save the whale, baby killing dim-0-crats have blocked him at every turn. They have also blocked any new nuclear plants in the United States.

How you can stick the blame on George Bush is beyond reason. Try instead of believing every word a Democrat says, or for that matter any elected tyrant, try a few simple web searches because you know what they say, "the truth will set you free". The worst place to get truth is from a party whose only agenda is slander and lies. Blaming Bush without one piece of fact to back it up you must be a Democrat whose vote is bought and paid for with money of the hard working in this country.

Tell me if the democratic party told it's voters manure was ice cream how many would smile while they ate it? How many would go back for seconds?
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#137 Consumer Comment

are you really after terrorist?

AUTHOR: Gq - (U.S.A.)

i have a question to all the religious Bush supporters. Before 9/11 what was the deadliest act of terrorism on US soil?????? for those who cant remember that far back, the Oklahoma city bombing.

who committed this act???? a Christian paramilitary anti-govt group.

If you are so tuff on terrorism and terrorist why wasn't the entire organization rounded up and jailed or executed by the same religious people and republicans who blame the entire muslim or arabic people for 9/11? why wasn't there this witch hunt for all those supposed 'americans' who killed our own? and why are you satisfied that only a handful of people were ever prosecuted for this act?

after oklahoma city i did not hear these same religious republicans crying for the destruction to any and all people associated with Timothy Mcveigh. the same way they blame all muslim and arabic people as evil terrorist. or is home grown american terrorism more acceptable? I guess its ok for americans to kill other innocent americans in a terrorist act?

i know republicans were not in office at the time of the bombing, so please don't use that as an excuse. my point is that most those of the republican religious right believe most, if not all, of the muslim world hate the US and are responsible for the acts of a few. thus giving the us the right to make war and kill anyone we suspect or believe to be remotely connected to terrorism!
with that same line of thought why weren't you guys leading the way to root out all the supposed christian paramilitary anti-govt groups in this country?

one could only imagine the response if that same attack was proven to be the work of a few muslims. we would round up every arab, muslim or not,whether they were born in this country or not, and kill them, jail them, put them in concentrations camp, and deport them.

why the hypocracy in this country?

fyi. im not muslim, so don't go there.
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#138 Consumer Comment

Dirtydawg, american politics is the biggest ripoff around!!!!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

Dirtydawg,

Temper, temper my naive little guy whos making money. Do you work for Halliburton, KBR, or any part of the Bush regime? I find it funny that you stick up for Bush even after all the lies, manipulation, deaths, billions of dollars spent for a war that can't and won't be won as well as giving this country the biggest debt in recent administrations. Oh, did I mention the liberties that this administration has taken from its people or how secretive this administration has been with its own policies with executive privledges. You mentioned that you thank Bush for not allowing another terrorist attack to happen and preventing thousands of deaths. Do you not count the thousands of soldiers that died and continue to die as deaths of americans? Do you actually think we will win this war? Do you see america leaving Iraq? I don't on both counts and would like to know what you think of the U.S. Embassy that Halliburton built in Baghdad thats 16 football fields long and cost american taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars, huh? Oh why haven't we captured Osama Bin Ladden? I say because Bush isn't trying to and geesh do you really believe its that hard to find one man who hides in caves??? Get real dude!
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#139 Consumer Comment

I would rather be DEAD than be a liberal, socialist DEMOCRAT!!

AUTHOR: Dirtydawg - (U.S.A.)

I thought the RipOff Report was for consumer issues, not politics. Can we please get back to making and saving money? After all, this is STILL the United States of America where people are free to make as much or as little money as they wish!

Oh, and thank you, President Bush, for us NOT having another terrorist attack on our homeland since 9/11 and thus killing thousands more Americans. We have been free to live and make money and complain, piss and moan on the Internet! ;-)
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#140 Consumer Comment

Bush is no great leader

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Bush is no great leader bush knows how to cover up everything like how republicans do when they are inpower. Bush is far from honest bush loves people like you to defend him this is why bush has lasted this long. I just ignore these comments from the bush fans bush is a bad leader. these bush fans are not pushing there beliefs on or trying to force me to support bush which is what they have been doing ever sense bush has been president!. I agree bush is a horrible president.
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#141 Author of original report

Bush and cronies destroying America with corporate agenda!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

To all the sheeple who like Bush:
Here is a small list of Bush failures:he either lied or had faulty intelligence to get us into a bullshit war of which had nothing to do with 9/11, let the leader of that country be executed, let his corporate oil buddies raise the prices of gas/fuel to unspeakable costs to this date, almost started another war (Iran) with faulty intelligence or he lied to americans again, imited bankruptcy for average person but lets major companies declare bankruptcy, allowed C.I.A. Agents name to leaked and there were no consequences to that action, pardoned Scooter Libby a known crook and Cheney advisor, was involved with Kenneth Lay and the billion dollar Enron scandal, no weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq, Bush Sr. was Vice-President during time in which Iran/contra affair went down when U.S. sold arms/missles to Iran, Bush has allowed secret overseas prisons, allowed people to be held without charge or representation, torture, illegal spying on americans e-mails, phones, mail) which is in violation of the constitution, tried to give immunity to telecom companies for there role in spying on americans, had most executive signing priviledges in which he can be declared a dictator with no oversight, has taken away more rights of american citizens than any other president in history through the patriot act, protect america act, military commision act, homegrown terrorism act, John Warner defense authorization act, etc. and Bush has done this thus restricting americans rights while maintaining total secrecy and no oversight to its actions. The executive banch has never been this powerful in the history of the United States and this is a very dangerous slope towards dictatorship.
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#142 Consumer Comment

Regarding George W. Bush

AUTHOR: Frank - (U.S.A.)

George W. Bush was fairly elected. If he wasn't elected, he would not have lasted in office. Saddam Hussein was a tyrannical and abusive head authority in Iraq and justice was served by the United States entering Iraq by declaring war on the then Iraqi Government. Saddam Hussein was held responsible for abuses of power and a trial found him guilty of such. The mass graves reported throughout Iraq testify also that he needed to be taken out of power. Furthermore, the Iraqi government had multiple opportunities to peaceably settle the disputes we had with them but chose to follow a course of anti-American conduct and don't forget that celebratory paintings of September 11th were decorating the interior walls of Iraq's head government buildings. This war is not about oil. If it was we would have all the oil and anyone else's oil that we want.

George W. Bush is a great leader. He is an honest man who has positive intentions for all of The United States of America. George Bush's efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq are paying off and although the media may feed into negative reports whenever possible (as negativism sells more news), like him or not, the facts will continue to demonstrate that George W. Bush is a great President in a time where it is popular to hate and scapegoat without due research.

You submitted a visual illustration of George W. Bush with fabricated sentence bubbles coming from each one's mouth but very importantly, YOU MADE UP THE LINES just as YOU MADE UP WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE about him. This is not what TRUTH is about, and you should not have posted such a report on Ripoff Report because what you say is not a TRUE account but rather imagined just as your visual illustrations have added.
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#143 Consumer Comment

you have got to be kidding!

AUTHOR: Realist69 - (U.S.A.)

I truley don't beleive you feel that way. A soverign nation is a government within a government within a single country or state, like an indian reservation. No other president has had as many issues in a term....War iraq, war in afganistan, 911, New Orleans, all the other hurricains,and a resession.
There is no way President Bush can regulate gas prices, the market does. It's the seller like the president of Venesuela.
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#144 Consumer Comment

Bush is a Horrible President

AUTHOR: Josh - (U.S.A.)

I am middle of the road, not republican and not democrat, although I agree with democrats on more issues than republicans. Bush is a president that does not care
for people. He cares for big business only! He privatized Medicare, now costs have skyrocketed and senior citizens are having to earn extra money at a part time job just to be able to pay for their medicine. What a loser! He also allowed companies to lighten up on OSHA laws and other safety regulations to help them save money, at the expense of employees safety and work environments. What a complete idiot! He changed the bankruptcy laws for individuals to put a halt to the abusive Bankruptcies, but still allows businesses to file complete bankruptcy (I know a case where a 59 year old employee had his pension robbed by the company, they went out of business, filed Bankruptcy and did not have to pay back the pensions to their employees)! He denied Free healthcare to thousands of children probably to preserve the tax cuts he gave to big corporations that didn't need them. Finally, he provided a big tax break for the big oil companies and even the Tobacco Companies. Think of this also, when was the first major hike in gas prices?
Early summer of 2001. When did Bush come into office? Something is not right here. Get this loser out of office and bring in a Democrat such as Joe Biden, because himself and other democrats are the only ones who will take seriously the mess that Bush has made!
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#145 Consumer Comment

You can't make a horse drink water

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

You can't make a horse drink water, you can't have a peaceful debate without the bush fans insulting the other party & calling them names then they accuse us of name calling.

You can't mate a horse drink water & the bush fans are the horse stubborn refuse to listen that bush is bad! if u want bush & the republicans, to revoke our rights then continue to vote republican.

Bush is take healthcare away from the middleclass & poor people & kids who really need healthcare this proves once again bush does not care about the middle class or the poor people.

Bush wants to take away all our benefits & give to his rich people & the poor get poorer, why do u think they are so many americans walking city streets asking money from strangers & playing music for money!.

We live in a cruel society when republicans are in power! u can't make a horse drink water u can't force bush fans to believe anything else they think they are right & everyone else is wrong.
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#146 Consumer Comment

You can't make a horse drink water

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

You can't make a horse drink water, you can't have a peaceful debate without the bush fans insulting the other party & calling them names then they accuse us of name calling.

You can't mate a horse drink water & the bush fans are the horse stubborn refuse to listen that bush is bad! if u want bush & the republicans, to revoke our rights then continue to vote republican.

Bush is take healthcare away from the middleclass & poor people & kids who really need healthcare this proves once again bush does not care about the middle class or the poor people.

Bush wants to take away all our benefits & give to his rich people & the poor get poorer, why do u think they are so many americans walking city streets asking money from strangers & playing music for money!.

We live in a cruel society when republicans are in power! u can't make a horse drink water u can't force bush fans to believe anything else they think they are right & everyone else is wrong.
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#147 Consumer Comment

You can't make a horse drink water

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

You can't make a horse drink water, you can't have a peaceful debate without the bush fans insulting the other party & calling them names then they accuse us of name calling.

You can't mate a horse drink water & the bush fans are the horse stubborn refuse to listen that bush is bad! if u want bush & the republicans, to revoke our rights then continue to vote republican.

Bush is take healthcare away from the middleclass & poor people & kids who really need healthcare this proves once again bush does not care about the middle class or the poor people.

Bush wants to take away all our benefits & give to his rich people & the poor get poorer, why do u think they are so many americans walking city streets asking money from strangers & playing music for money!.

We live in a cruel society when republicans are in power! u can't make a horse drink water u can't force bush fans to believe anything else they think they are right & everyone else is wrong.
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#148 Consumer Comment

You can't make a horse drink water

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

You can't make a horse drink water, you can't have a peaceful debate without the bush fans insulting the other party & calling them names then they accuse us of name calling.

You can't mate a horse drink water & the bush fans are the horse stubborn refuse to listen that bush is bad! if u want bush & the republicans, to revoke our rights then continue to vote republican.

Bush is take healthcare away from the middleclass & poor people & kids who really need healthcare this proves once again bush does not care about the middle class or the poor people.

Bush wants to take away all our benefits & give to his rich people & the poor get poorer, why do u think they are so many americans walking city streets asking money from strangers & playing music for money!.

We live in a cruel society when republicans are in power! u can't make a horse drink water u can't force bush fans to believe anything else they think they are right & everyone else is wrong.
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#149 Consumer Comment

Lets all ignore bush fans

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

From, the point lets all ignore bush fans they refuse to have a peaceful debate & continue to insult & call us names & tell us we are wrong, its two years before the election so they are starting what they did before the democrats won the

election last year. Its, time to get this country back on track before bush ruined it & the republican party, why do u think we voted for democrats in 2006. Next, year we would elect a democrat president to get this country back on

track & clean up bush's & the republicans mess they have caused us!, & have caused other countries to hate us cause of bush. People, just had to have bush

in office & look @ what it is costing us our freedom!.

Why, do u think that so many americans are in poverty & walking city streets asking for money from strangers, thanks to bush & the republican cause they don't care! about the middle class or the poor people!.

People, just had to have republicans in office & look @ what it is costing us today our freedom & our rights! has american citizens!.
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#150 Consumer Suggestion

Are you kidding? Bush did not steal the election.

AUTHOR: Tom - (U.S.A.)

1. Bush did not steal the election. You may want to catch up on the current events after your 7-year coma. Al Gore lost the popular vote as well as the electoral vote and it is clearly documented by an independent firm.

2. If we were there for oil wouldn't we take it and lower our prices? Where is your reasoning on this comment?

3. If Al (Snore) Gore had won, which he did not in any way, we would all be learning Arabic and the Koran. Gore is a weak, whiney, crybaby who has obviously lost his mind since losing the election in 2000.

4. Yes, George Bush is a liar and has made a lot of mistakes, but he is our president and if he doesn't do whatever is necessary to stop the terrorists than life as we know it will be under attack for decades to come.

5. We've already spent over 250 Billion Dollars in the war on terror. The smart move would be in my opinion would be to spend the next 250 Billion to withdrawal all of our troops from Iraq and Afghanistan and use those troops to build fences on our borders and to guard those borders in an attempt to stop illegals from entering. We should also legalize racial and religious profiling and thoroughly check every person coming into our country from any country, or ethnic background that is know for terrorism. Once we stop them from entering, we can start weeding out the terrorists that are already in our country. This is America. It's our country and if the people from other countries don't like it they can go back to where they came from, but they came here because their countries suck and don't want to go back to living in their own oppressed, filthy, dictatorships that treat people like animals. If America is so bad, why are they flocking here like their countries are on fire? The only people who are opposed to profiling are those who have something to hide. I welcome being searched, questioned, or delayed at the airport if it means the terrorists won't be able to board our planes and use them as weapons against us like they did 6 years ago today.

If you are a Muslim who disagrees with terrorism, speak out against it. If you are silent it's the same as condoning terrorism and that's why most non-Muslims hate all Muslims, because they can't tell who is and is not a terrorist. It's up to the good ones to save themselves and if they don't speak out against terrorism, they will end up suffering the same fate as the radical Muslims.

It's time to put political correctness to rest permanently! It's un-American not to be able to say what's on your mind and as long as no physical harm comes to anyone, words although hurtful, don't blow up children or buildings in the name of some giant superman in the sky known as Allah.

Think about this for one minute. Throughout time almost every war was fought because of religious differences. Who's God is the real god? The answer for all of you who aren't sure, or think your God / Allah is the all-knowing Supreme Being is you are all wrong. There's no God! Science has proven that life began with the big bang and took billions of years to develop from a combination of molecular and chemical changes combined with energy from the sun. There is no supreme being and there is no magic wand and there is no heaven or hell and there is no gift of 72 Virgins for martyrs. This also goes for the Christians. The Catholic church is just as guilty throughout the ages of using their false God and Jesus to manipulate people in order to control the entire planet through fear of loss of going to heaven. It's all bullshit! Jesus wasn't even considered the Son of God until 300 years after his death and that lie was conjured up by the Catholic religion leaders in order to gain more power. Do your homework in the world of religion and science. All gods are fake and were conjured up by men that want to take your money and do nothing for it. It's a scam!!

A final thought. I have been reading this website for at least 6 years and it's incredible how many posting come from Tupper Lake, New York. In the hundreds of posts from Tupper Lake, New York I can count on 1 hand how many had anything intelligent to say. Their water must be severely contaminated with heavy metals, or arsenic, or something that would cause such unintelligent postings all from one town.
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#151 Consumer Comment

Give it up bush fans

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Give, it up bush fans this is why everyone hates republicans yes bush did lie to us he used 9/11/2001 to invade iraq look @ the mess the country is in america made a good choice to vote democrats, next year we will vote a democrat for president


to get this country back on track from how bush has ruined everything. Keep, living in your dream world bush is the greatest president in the history bush is a war monger all republicans are, I will never vote republican I will always vote democrat!.


I, will not join the military I will not die for bush or be injuried for the rest of my life for bush u think bush cares, about our dying soldiers in iraq no he doesnt.


I, support the troops I do not support this war nor do I support bush bush does not deserve any credit & he does not deserve respect.


No, republicans deserve respect.
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#152 Consumer Comment

The original poster of this complaint is insane.

AUTHOR: The Amb Scam - (U.S.A.)

First, President George Bush did NOT lie. He went on the best intelligence available at the time. As a direct comparison, President Clinton DID lie when, on national television, he claimed that he "did not have sexual relations with that woman.

The definition of the word lie is "a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood." This is not what Bush did in 2003 nor is it what President Clinton did on February 17th, 1998 when he stated "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." President Clinton made this bold claim at the Pentagon.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/02/18/iraq.political.analysis/

Second, the war in Iraq had nothing to do with the rise in prices for several reasons.

First, Iraq only represents 5% - 8% of US oil imports.
Second, the fact that China's economy has been growing at an average rate of 10% for the past 8 years obviously had nothing to do with it. I mean come on, why would the most powerful manufacturing economy in the world need more oil? I mean, it's not all for the gas is it? I wonder where all those hydrocarbon based plastics such as those found in cd's, computers, tv's and other items comes from anyway? I'm sure that the rise in the prices for oil has nothing to do with the simple economic fact of supply and demand (more demand with a non-increase in supply causes prices to go up) and has everything to do with some secret cabal-istic agreement that Bush made with the Saudi's to cripple his own country.

You are, as the saying goes, a tool.

Now, as to your tired, sad and utterly pathetic complaint that he stole the election. I have but one question for you. Who started the lawsuits? I'll help you with that one. It was Team Gore. And what did Team Gore want? He wanted a manual hand count of the ballots in Florida while forcing the voting board to ignore the overseas ballots. This was a very sneaky ploy by Team Gore. The recount they wanted was specific. Team Gore only wanted the hand count done in a few Florida counties that, oddly enough, were mostly Democrat. Unfortunately, Florida law required that if a manual hand recount be done then the entire state be recounted. Also, there is this little sticking point about Constitutional requirements. Also, Team Gore tried to get the overseas ballots thrown out since they knew that the majority of overseas ballots came from the military and that the military was most Republican.

Now, about that little "surplus" you were talking about. I'm assuming you are referring to that little pile of unspent cash that was supposed to go to our intelligence agencies and military. Is that the surplus that you were talking about? It's funny when you think about it. Clinton refuses to properly fund the CIA so that they would be able to keep their Middle East spy networks open. Clinton refuses to properly fund the military so they will have the equipment they need should the need arise. Clinton fails to treat the first WTC bombing in 1993 as an act of terrorism and instead labels it a criminal act, basically leaving it to the NYPD to solve. Clinton pulls us out of Somalia after we faced losses brought on by his refusal to give our military commanders on the ground the materials that they said were needed thereby giving Bin Laden further proof that we were a paper tiger.

10 times 10 times 10 times 10. Clinton is at the root cause of every major screw up, blunder and catastrophe this country has faced in the past 18 years and somehow it all get's placed at Bush's feet. What's even more amazing is the fact that you utterly ignore the fact the our economy is the strongest it has ever been and is being driven by actual industry and not a fleeting tech bubble. We have the lowest rate of homelessness, crime and unemployment in probably 50 years and again that is ignored. American volunteerism is at an all time high and yet, again, not one single piece of praise for Bush.

As for your utterly silly and vapid comment about the weapons of mass destruction I'll simply point to my Clinton quote above and the accompanying link. In case you want to read more of the "lies" that the Democrats made while Clinton was in office I suggest you head over to Glenn Becks rather informative little site. The url is:

http://www.glennbeck.com/news/01302004.shtml

Why not try to think for yourself just once, turn off the Al Franken and formulate your own idea based on multiple sources of information?
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#153 Consumer Comment

Republicans never cared for the troops

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Republicans, never cared for the troops the republicans always took their vacations to & the bush fans never said anything about that!, democrats do care & support the troops we do not support this war!. So, dont had us that democrats dont support the troops republicans never did, anything for them!.
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#154 Consumer Comment

YOU elected?

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

"Remember these are the people YOU elected." - James

Funny how when Bush "won" in 2000 (by a slim dubious margin...slim...slim!...SLIM!) it was the "Nation" that elected him. After his election to dare be against his opinion or the opinion of his administration was to be a "traitor". A TRAITOR to the nation for daring to oppose a man not even elected by a "vast" majority of its citizens. The same happened in 2004. Not as dubious as the previous election, but by a slim margin. Very slim for a presidential election for this country. Maybe not rare, but certainly uncommon.

For someone that barely gained power, its hard for me to consider anyone that disagrees with him as being a "traitor".

I love how the neo-cons "flip-flop" on the idea of just what is being a "true American", and a "traitor". The best is this use of "oh your hurting our troops".

When Bush BARELY gained office, to disagree with him was against the entire nations will!

When the democrates vote on something in Congress suddenly reality comes back and the neo-cons rally about how the "liberals" BARELY won a majority, and thus, dont really relfect the nations "will". Totally ignoring the fact that for the last 7 years their actions have BARELY reflected the nations "will".

Is it "Ive been elected therefore I represent 100% of the people....because I got elected..regardless of what the election numbers were"?

Seems the road only goes one way for the neo-cons.

If we were to apply the same rules they have to the current situation, they would be the traitors.

This trip by Pelosi to Syria is a good example. Has everyone forgot that we do have an embassy in Syria? Has everyone forgot that its not "uncommon" for members of congress to travel to other nations to "talk". Has everyone forgot that this has been a common practise with civilized nations for hundreds of years, if not thousands? Has everyone forgot that we are NOT at war with Syria (yet!).

Funny how nobody mentions that just about every two weeks someone high ranking from the U.S. embassy meets with someone high ranking from Syria, in Syria. Hmmmm?

We always have been talking to Syria. As long as we have an embassy there, we always will. On a regular basis. When a congressman (woman) goes there, its just more high profile. Was anything different this time? Did we offer something different? No. Big deal. What it did do was upstage poor ol'Bush. Nothing more. Its a joke to bash Pelosi, or the Demos in general, for something thats always been going on in the first place.

Now the "flip flop" sets in.

Lets see.

Too go against Bush is "bad" because he got "elected" (regardless of by how slim).

But to go against Pelosi going to Syria for a "talk" is "bad"...even tho she too got "elected".

Remember...this was all about....

"Remember these are the people YOU elected." ---James


Yup....they got "elected"....you are obviously against them. Are you a "traitor"?

Im just using neo-con rules here.

Its all very confusing how to follow the neo-con agenda. With the election in '06, these people got elected, but to be for them, I'm anti-american, dont support my troops, yadda yadda yadda.

But to go against the Bush administration, which "got elected", I'm anti-american, dont support my troops, yadda yadda yadda.

Now personally I dont support the Democrats or the Republicans. But I will counter what I believe to be untrue. I think both parties are exactly that, "parties". Both do some good, both do some evil. I fundamentaly agree that this 2 party system is flawed. But hey, what do we have. Not claiming defeat here. Just being realistic. This is what we HAVE. I will do what I can as a meager single citizen to vote accordingly, and hope it does something better for the future. For what that is worth, so be it.

This country was founded on Freedom. Not money. Both parties are guilty in my book of forgetting, and abusing that. That pretty much trounces any comment about "pork spending". Anyone that dares bring up the subject in this day and age is a moron. Both parties are evil to the core when it comes to that.

Want to argue?

Ill be happy to bash you with the exact same formula...."elected". They got "elected". Push harder and I'll use your own neo-con formula of "elected=100%-will of the nation...too oppose is to be a traitor".

All wrong....all nieve....all fatal.
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#155 Consumer Comment

Good Going Charles

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Make sure that you don't vote. That is one less vote for the democrats. Are you really happy with what the Democrats are doing? With their stance on the war and Pork Barrel Spending they are denying our troops what they need. If they do not want to fun the war then why don't they just say so instead of hiding behind a crap bill that will never pass. And instead of taking care of our troops they are on VACATION when they should be working on a bill to support our troops. They can still be against the war and support the troops. Their actions are hurting our troops and in the long run will cause more to die and be injured. Remember these are the people YOU elected.
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#156 Consumer Comment

I will never again vote in a election

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

I, will never again vote in a election after the outcome from the 2000-2004 elections & all the ugly remarks from the bush fans on this website, why do u think we have so many bad businessess taken advantage of innocent victims u guessed it republicans!. The, reason why people voted democrat was because of the outcome from the 2000-2004 elections know democrats are inpower over congress, & the senate. I, was proud to vote in the last two elections but I will never again vote in any election due to the outcomes from the 2000-2004 elections & from the ugly & nasty comments from the bush fans, who say we have no right to disagree with bush!. Well, we got news for the we have the right to disagree with bush & do not to support this war!.
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#157 Consumer Comment

Ew! thats just GROSS!

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Oh Robert, you just cant stop with the smoke screen and lies can you....

"None of the "hundreds" were turned away from American Medical Services, which is what Ben is attempting to claim." ---Robert

No Robert, once again, you lie. I never said it in the context your using and you know it. Another twist and avoidance of the real subject at hand. Typical.

I have repeatedly mentioned how people "cant get" healthcare due to "cost". In essence its the same thing as being turned away. If you cant afford it...YOU HAVE BEEN TURNED AWAY.

Your trying to dillute the issue by saying I meant hospitals were simply turning people away at random. Show me where I even remotely hinted at that.

You cant.

Also its "millions". Not "hundreds". MILLIONS of people in this country do not have ACCESS to HEALTHCARE due to FINANCIAL restraints. Financial restraints that are outrageous, overpriced, or just too d**n hard to obtain from BS red tape.

Even you, sit there and quote..."If India and Indochina are supplying this service, you can be sure it's due to price, not superior quality."

Thanks Robert for once again proving everything I have been saying.

Now there is your point from a previous post...

"EVERYONE pays. If you can't afford to be sick, stop eating fatburgers, smoking, drinking alcohol, using illicit drugs, and skydiving sans parachute."

EW! Robert! Thats just gross!

So lets get this down. You think that everyone that cant afford healthcare is sick because of there own fault?? BS!
You also basically saying "if you cant afford it...tough s**t".

I bet if Terry Schiavo's family was poor and couldnt afford the healthcare she received for years, you would be singing a different tune. Most likely spontainiously combusting from inner turmoil due to being such a hypocrite. Bah, I doubt she would have lived that long anyway. She would have died soon after she fell ill.....from "fatburgers"....because she was poor.

I love how you neo-cons (spare me the "I'm a Libertarian" crap....you have defended Bush and his policies to the core for over a year...your a neo-con..deal with it) have such a double standard. On one side you rally for the end of abortion because "it kills babies", then on the other your absolutely happy to let someone die because they simply dont cut it on your business balance sheet. Make more people (by force), and let the ones deemed "financially unworthy" die or suffer.

What a wonderful thing you have discovered Robert.

Life and death...... now a capitalist venture.

Maybe soon we will have the $99 two kidney transplant special someday. Like the brake job cons you defend so passionately. Dont expect to actually GET those two kidneys tho. And dont expect Robert to shed a tear if you die on the opperating table because in his eyes "its your own fault".

Thats just gross.

You are the Ann Coulter of Rip Off Report.

This administration has destroyed this country by making life, death, and war a permanent national industry for one purpose....money. And only for the very few.

Peoples physical, and mental health should never be in the hands of Wall Street......EVER. Nor should our freedoms. Not everyone has a vote there. We do with our government. It may not be perfect. But I would rather have an imperfect "something", than nothing at all. Capitalism will have a role in fixing this, but now without severe control. When life, death, or just plain human suffering, are the issue, too much is at stake to slip up. Capitalism run amok is hardly the cure.
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#158 Consumer Comment

Ew! thats just GROSS!

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Oh Robert, you just cant stop with the smoke screen and lies can you....

"None of the "hundreds" were turned away from American Medical Services, which is what Ben is attempting to claim." ---Robert

No Robert, once again, you lie. I never said it in the context your using and you know it. Another twist and avoidance of the real subject at hand. Typical.

I have repeatedly mentioned how people "cant get" healthcare due to "cost". In essence its the same thing as being turned away. If you cant afford it...YOU HAVE BEEN TURNED AWAY.

Your trying to dillute the issue by saying I meant hospitals were simply turning people away at random. Show me where I even remotely hinted at that.

You cant.

Also its "millions". Not "hundreds". MILLIONS of people in this country do not have ACCESS to HEALTHCARE due to FINANCIAL restraints. Financial restraints that are outrageous, overpriced, or just too d**n hard to obtain from BS red tape.

Even you, sit there and quote..."If India and Indochina are supplying this service, you can be sure it's due to price, not superior quality."

Thanks Robert for once again proving everything I have been saying.

Now there is your point from a previous post...

"EVERYONE pays. If you can't afford to be sick, stop eating fatburgers, smoking, drinking alcohol, using illicit drugs, and skydiving sans parachute."

EW! Robert! Thats just gross!

So lets get this down. You think that everyone that cant afford healthcare is sick because of there own fault?? BS!
You also basically saying "if you cant afford it...tough s**t".

I bet if Terry Schiavo's family was poor and couldnt afford the healthcare she received for years, you would be singing a different tune. Most likely spontainiously combusting from inner turmoil due to being such a hypocrite. Bah, I doubt she would have lived that long anyway. She would have died soon after she fell ill.....from "fatburgers"....because she was poor.

I love how you neo-cons (spare me the "I'm a Libertarian" crap....you have defended Bush and his policies to the core for over a year...your a neo-con..deal with it) have such a double standard. On one side you rally for the end of abortion because "it kills babies", then on the other your absolutely happy to let someone die because they simply dont cut it on your business balance sheet. Make more people (by force), and let the ones deemed "financially unworthy" die or suffer.

What a wonderful thing you have discovered Robert.

Life and death...... now a capitalist venture.

Maybe soon we will have the $99 two kidney transplant special someday. Like the brake job cons you defend so passionately. Dont expect to actually GET those two kidneys tho. And dont expect Robert to shed a tear if you die on the opperating table because in his eyes "its your own fault".

Thats just gross.

You are the Ann Coulter of Rip Off Report.

This administration has destroyed this country by making life, death, and war a permanent national industry for one purpose....money. And only for the very few.

Peoples physical, and mental health should never be in the hands of Wall Street......EVER. Nor should our freedoms. Not everyone has a vote there. We do with our government. It may not be perfect. But I would rather have an imperfect "something", than nothing at all. Capitalism will have a role in fixing this, but now without severe control. When life, death, or just plain human suffering, are the issue, too much is at stake to slip up. Capitalism run amok is hardly the cure.
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#159 Consumer Comment

Ew! thats just GROSS!

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Oh Robert, you just cant stop with the smoke screen and lies can you....

"None of the "hundreds" were turned away from American Medical Services, which is what Ben is attempting to claim." ---Robert

No Robert, once again, you lie. I never said it in the context your using and you know it. Another twist and avoidance of the real subject at hand. Typical.

I have repeatedly mentioned how people "cant get" healthcare due to "cost". In essence its the same thing as being turned away. If you cant afford it...YOU HAVE BEEN TURNED AWAY.

Your trying to dillute the issue by saying I meant hospitals were simply turning people away at random. Show me where I even remotely hinted at that.

You cant.

Also its "millions". Not "hundreds". MILLIONS of people in this country do not have ACCESS to HEALTHCARE due to FINANCIAL restraints. Financial restraints that are outrageous, overpriced, or just too d**n hard to obtain from BS red tape.

Even you, sit there and quote..."If India and Indochina are supplying this service, you can be sure it's due to price, not superior quality."

Thanks Robert for once again proving everything I have been saying.

Now there is your point from a previous post...

"EVERYONE pays. If you can't afford to be sick, stop eating fatburgers, smoking, drinking alcohol, using illicit drugs, and skydiving sans parachute."

EW! Robert! Thats just gross!

So lets get this down. You think that everyone that cant afford healthcare is sick because of there own fault?? BS!
You also basically saying "if you cant afford it...tough s**t".

I bet if Terry Schiavo's family was poor and couldnt afford the healthcare she received for years, you would be singing a different tune. Most likely spontainiously combusting from inner turmoil due to being such a hypocrite. Bah, I doubt she would have lived that long anyway. She would have died soon after she fell ill.....from "fatburgers"....because she was poor.

I love how you neo-cons (spare me the "I'm a Libertarian" crap....you have defended Bush and his policies to the core for over a year...your a neo-con..deal with it) have such a double standard. On one side you rally for the end of abortion because "it kills babies", then on the other your absolutely happy to let someone die because they simply dont cut it on your business balance sheet. Make more people (by force), and let the ones deemed "financially unworthy" die or suffer.

What a wonderful thing you have discovered Robert.

Life and death...... now a capitalist venture.

Maybe soon we will have the $99 two kidney transplant special someday. Like the brake job cons you defend so passionately. Dont expect to actually GET those two kidneys tho. And dont expect Robert to shed a tear if you die on the opperating table because in his eyes "its your own fault".

Thats just gross.

You are the Ann Coulter of Rip Off Report.

This administration has destroyed this country by making life, death, and war a permanent national industry for one purpose....money. And only for the very few.

Peoples physical, and mental health should never be in the hands of Wall Street......EVER. Nor should our freedoms. Not everyone has a vote there. We do with our government. It may not be perfect. But I would rather have an imperfect "something", than nothing at all. Capitalism will have a role in fixing this, but now without severe control. When life, death, or just plain human suffering, are the issue, too much is at stake to slip up. Capitalism run amok is hardly the cure.
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#160 Consumer Comment

I'll look it up Josh

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I am not scared of truth...no matter where I find it.

If it's like you say, then it still is merely a drop in a very large bucket. Hundreds of thousands, nay...MILLIONS, every year come here each year for medical treatment.

If India and Indochina are supplying this service, you can be sure it's due to price, not superior quality. Guess where the majority of "customer service" phone lines are? It's not because the people know the area. It's price...say CHEAP.

None of the "hundreds" were turned away from American Medical Services, which is what Ben is attempting to claim. NOBODY is turned away. If one hospital closes due to the lack of funding, another takes up the slack. Get rid of the waste-oids and derelicts who clog up the system, make everyone pay their OWN bill, and the system will be fixed permanently.

I want a new 2008 Challenger when they come out. If I am unwilling to pony up the capital to pay the price locally, I will check around to see if I can find one CHEAPer elsewhere.

That's exactly what those "hundreds" are doing. I'll wait with breathless anticipation for their ROR's about the botched surgeries.

Hundreds, vs millions. Do the math.
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#161 Consumer Comment

no one robert?

AUTHOR: Josh - (U.S.A.)

robert, about 99% of everything you have ever posted has been completley accurate, but hundreds of americans each year leave the country to seek medical operations from outside countries. I wouldnt have believed it either, but i just saw a dateline report about this exact issue a week or two ago. India is the biggest provider, indo china is close behind. I'm sure you could look it up, but you probably wont.
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#162 Consumer Comment

Kate in Toledo - Isn't it odd...

AUTHOR: Evan - (U.S.A.)

That appealing to history/tradition is a major logical fallacy, and that WWII has nothing to do with the present state of affairs? Isn't it odd that repetition (anaphora), makes you feel smart and persuasive? Isn't it odd that, head to head in an argument, all you have to fall back on is talking points? I sure think it's odd.

However, I agree with you that this war is not solely about oil. It is partially over CONTROL of oil - mainly preventing China and Russia from accessing the supply. It is also about a vendetta. It is also about creating a distraction from the honest to God, real-life terroristic policies of this oligarchy under which we currently live.

Maybe if you didn't live in a s**t state with s**t brains, you could come to terms with reality. Keep getting fatter and poorer as these God-fearing republicans keep screwing you over. GO MUDHENS!
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#163 Consumer Comment

You're almost on target

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Try adjusting your windage 2 clicks right, and add 1 click elevation. This should put you in the black.

The VA is not the result of a left-wing conspiracy. It is the result of being run by the Federal Government...an entity that is not known for it's efficient handling of affairs. The point is, having the Feds run the entire healthcare system will result in more of the same, not make it better. Did the screeners at any airport get better and more efficient when the Feds took over? Case closed.

I agree with you on freedom being what founded this country. What freedom of choice will you have when the Feds run the system? Hillarycare was going to make personal choice a crime. The Doctor would be imprisoned, and the patient would be heavily fined. Don't believe it? Look it up.

In fact, Hillary has repeatedly said we ned to stop worrying about individual rights, and be concerned only with the good of the whole. She's a good little Marxist.

Want to know how to FIX the system? I'll tell you.

1-EVERYONE pays. If you can't afford to be sick, stop eating fatburgers, smoking, drinking alcohol, using illicit drugs, and skydiving sans parachute. There was atime when stupidity killed you. Carlos Mencia has it right when he says "there are too many stupid people, and nothing left to eat them". Ron White can back that up with "you can't fix stupid". Bring back dinosaurs.(Yes, I know they died out millions of years before we showed up on the scene...but you know the stupid people would have to go out and look at what the screaming was all about).

2-ILLEGAL immigrants get NOTHING from the system at all. Build a giant trebuchet and launch them back across the border by the busload. Adams, Jefferson, et al never envisioned people being here ILLEGALLY being granted any "rights" to US tax money, and services. They assumed ILLEGALs would be deported.

3-Start using common sense(that ugly term again). Stop wasting everyone's time when you can go to CVS and buy some cough medicine, or Tylenol. You'd be astonished how many people are in the ER waiting room for crap like that. Go to any military hospital and see the same thing. It's all about that "entitlement" mentality.

4-STOP voting for the people who are currently in office. Try voting for what's good for the FREEDOMS this country originally had, instead of what's good for your "entitlement". I vote Libertarian every time one is on the ballot.

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#164 Consumer Comment

Spin? Your kidding right?

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

"So now you claim these people won't be able to access healthcare in the future. That's a whole bunch different than saying they cannot access it right now.

Good spin Ben. And it's much easier than actually answering the question, isn't it?" -- Robert

Spin? SPIN!? Uh whos spinning here Robert. I complain that Health care in this country is SICK. I think I have pointed out that its on many MANY levels. Typical smoke screen, and real SPIN by you to zero in on "oh you cant access healthcare now..blah blah blah".

Good grief Robert! Healthcare in its current form is ILL get it. Now, later, same diff bud! Even you mentioned that hospitals are closing, and proof that they are is that people CANT AFFORD IT. Why, because its SICK! The current system does not work.

ITS NOT WORKING...GET IT?

Where do you think it will be on this current path eh? You yourself provided all the proof needed that things need to be done on many levels. THANKS! Its just ironic that you cant even see how you hung yourself!

I think we both agree that hospitals closing is a "bad thing". Do you have a plan to fix it? Does anyone you support in a position to actually do something have a plan to fix it? Most on your end of the spectrum act like you, and pretend "all is well", yet spew forth this info. Not even realizing that info is proof something needs to be done. The big problem is the only fixes your end of the spectrum provide are pathetic "maximize profit for corporate officers" attitude. Not even their basic core employees see any gain from the insane bonuses and salaries these shnooks see.

I cant believe that we are even having this argument at this level. On one side you sit there and give a bunch of facts. Bolstering everthing I've said about how pathetic the trend in healthcare is in the country. Then still defend against the only effort to fix it. The only reason you dont want to fix it is because, quite simply..."you just dont like the person that proposed it".

"For those of you so bent on having Hillarycare take care of your medical needs, just look at any VA clinic(not the hospitals), "free clinic", or Walter Reed Medical Center(not the only bad one, nor even an abnormality...just the one closest to the Beltway)." ----Robert

Uh, Robert? What part of how the VA hospitals have been handled or managed has Sen.Clinton been in charge of? Just a question here, but are you trying to say that the problems at Walter Reed were a political, democratic party based error? I'd like to see your info on that. As far as I'm concerned it was typical buracratic bullshit, and both parties should be ashamed. The government as a whole should be ashamed. But if you really want to pass out blame....who the hell do you think has been running the whole show for the last 6 years????! Wasnt the demos bud! Unless you want to claim that all the problems at VA hospitals happened since the November elections.

Sure.

Whatever.

Spin? Not me robert. Spin can be called another thing.......

SMOKE......as in SMOKE SCREEN.

And your the king of that.

This country was founded on Freedom. Not money.

Sit and spin on that.
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#165 Consumer Comment

Look at Walter Reed

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

For those of you so bent on having Hillarycare take care of your medical needs, just look at any VA clinic(not the hospitals), "free clinic", or Walter Reed Medical Center(not the only bad one, nor even an abnormality...just the one closest to the Beltway).

THAT is your future.

Ask a Canadian why they cross the border to get medical treatment. Ask ANY foreign National why he/she comes to this Country for treatment. How many Americans go elsewhere to get medical care? NONE!!!!!

That's what the police call a CLUE.

Get it? Probably not...and that's the truly sad part.

I'm still waiting for you to explain why you get upset about a joke about FREE medicine, while thinking FREE healthcare is perfectly fine. If you are upset about having to PAY for someone else's prescriptions(the small cost of healthcare), why are you okay with paying for everyone else's actual treatment(the large cost of healthcare)?

I guess that answer will be included with the verifiable name of the only person on the planet who is incapable of recieving treatment in the USA.
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#166 Consumer Comment

Yaaaaawn

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

So now you claim these people won't be able to access healthcare in the future. That's a whole bunch different than saying they cannot access it right now.

Good spin Ben. And it's much easier than actually answering the question, isn't it?
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#167 Consumer Comment

Pegged! Again!

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Robert your comments are a joke. Nobody is going to fall for it again.

"You live in California. Your State has dozens of Public Hospitals closing each year because of this issue." ---Robert

Right here even you admit that the current system of healthcare is...BROKEN.

Your excuse that "everyone has access" just because some laws say "they have to provide healtcare" doesnt show our system is working by a long shot.

Whats going to happen when those hospitals close? Eh? Guess some people wont have "ACCESS" now will they?

Also, once again, you zero in on a single word and rant and rave about it. This time is "access" and "affordability". This is just as pathetic as your attack on me when I said my county had "about a million" people in it. You came up with a number of 930,000 and blasted me saying I was lying, I was wrong, etc. Blah blah blah. 930K?? About a million? same diff bud.

ABOUT A MILLION ABOUT A MILLION ABOUT A MILLION

AFFORDABLE...ACCESS....AFFORDABLE...ACCESS

Cough! Choke! Oh the smoke you put out!

I even mentioned you were going to try a stunt like this again. And there you go. Your easy to predict Robert.

So spout all you want about how healthcare is "fine" in this country. Just because some law says they "have to treat you" doesnt mean the system is good.

You want ONE NAME now? What a pathetic smoke screen.

Once again.....EVERYONE THAT CANT AFFORD IT. That includes those that have to fill out your "little form" when they have an emergency.

You think thats a good system? Eh? You said it yourself that hospitals are closing. Getting stuck with the tab when people CANT PAY! So you can see....someone needs to pay. And if they cant...SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS....like hospitals going out of business.

Once again Robert only you can equate closing hospitals as a decent healthcare system. Twisted!

Smoke screen away bud. Nobody is falling for it or your little rants and twists based on single words.

Healthcare in this country needs help. All your facts and figures just go to boslter that fact. Thanks for hanging yourself.


PEGGED! Again!
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#168 Consumer Comment

We are the Bosses, these people are the employees of the United States.

AUTHOR: Jeremy - (U.S.A.)

Look at the whole picture, Sorry but come again?

All I have seen here is people bagging on different presidents, but no real constructive comments.

It is in my estimation, that most presidents especially George Bush and Bill Clinton, have been utter failures and work towards dogmatic and very buffoon oriented agendas.

I have a sense, that every political leader in the past 10 years....besides possibly Al Gore, has been a self-serving idiot.

A n**i if you will. One that is serving their special agendas and not anyone else.....

I have a great concern that the Catholic Church, the orthodox Catholic Church may be behind a great deal of naughty end time prophecy garbage and may be responsible for all this religious idiocy.....

http://www.arcticbeacon.com

Like I say it is just a mounting but very prominent concern....and I believe it needs to be exposed, I don't believe we need religion out there now.

Not in the way we have come to know religion...what it appears to me, is that a rather buffoonish group has been controlling these idiots for years.

And this is why every President since Kennedy, or possibly before him with Eisenhower, has been an utter failure and disgrace.

These men are ripoffs and deserving of the chopping block. Just like these companies out there, they are no more deserving of anyone's support. I tell you this with a very constructive vocal view....

All the politicians are liars, are idiots, and are serving these buffoons agenda....and if Al Gore is not one of them he is going to have to fight to prove it. Too many liars and criminals spoil the flavor of a so called "american sundry"

Now you can catch my drift if you check history....there's been something wrong in the head with all these men, through every century, leading back to Abraham Lincoln. Bunch of idiots deserving of utmost contempt.

Regards
Jeremy, Saint George Utah
United States USA
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#169 Consumer Comment

I'm an employee too, or a boss because I live in the USA.

AUTHOR: Jeremy - (U.S.A.)

Sorry but come again?

All I have seen here is people bagging on different presidents, but no real constructive comments.

It is in my estimation, that most presidents especially George Bush and Bill Clinton, have been utter failures and work towards dogmatic and very buffoon oriented agendas.

I have a sense, that every political leader in the past 10 years....besides possibly Al Gore, has been a self-serving idiot.

A n**i if you will. One that is serving their special agendas and not anyone else.....

I have a great concern that the Catholic Church, the orthodox Catholic Church may be behind a great deal of naughty end time prophecy garbage and may be responsible for all this religious idiocy.....

http://www.arcticbeacon.com

Like I say it is just a mounting but very prominent concern....and I believe it needs to be exposed, I don't believe we need religion out there now.

Not in the way we have come to know religion...what it appears to me, is that a rather buffoonish group has been controlling these idiots for years.

And this is why every President since Kennedy, or possibly before him with Eisenhower, has been an utter failure and disgrace.

These men are ripoffs and deserving of the chopping block. Just like these companies out there, they are no more deserving of anyone's support. I tell you this with a very constructive vocal view....

All the politicians are liars, are idiots, and are serving these buffoons agenda....and if Al Gore is not one of them he is going to have to fight to prove it. Too many liars and criminals spoil the flavor of a so called "american sundry"

Now you can catch my drift if you check history....there's been something wrong in the head with all these men, through every century, leading back to Abraham Lincoln. Bunch of idiots deserving of utmost contempt.

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Jeremy, Saint George Utah
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#170 Consumer Comment

Try and use an anaolgy that makes sense

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

There are no Federal or State Laws requiring anyone to give you a car, so your anaolgy falls flat. There are Laws that require ALL Hspitals, Public and Private, to provide you with emergency health services. Private Hospitals can then send you to a Public Hospital, where they must treat you until you are healthy again.

You also used someone else's poor attempt at goading me by stating I claim to be the owner-operator of a Tires Plus, or a part store. As I told that person, post the link to the report. I looked through the 1st 45 reports about TP, and could not find it. Post the link, or admit you just follow like a sheep, anything that is claimed without proof.
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#171 Consumer Comment

I knew you could not do it

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I asked you to name ONE person, who does not have access to healthcare in this Country. You gave a long winded sermon about being able to afford it.

Yawn!

Answer the question.

Again, NOBODY has to actually PAY anything. You can go to the Public Hospital(County owned) and be treated for FREE! Are you telling me that FREE is unaffordable to the poor? The truly poor have Medicare/Medicaid. At least the Hospital gets something for it's efforts when that option is used. For the ones who don't qualify for those programs, ALL Public Hospitals have the obligation to treat you. If you cannot pay, you simply fill out a form asking for relief. It is granted in ALL cases.

You live in California. Your State has dozens of Public Hospitals closing each year because of this issue. Here's how it breaks down, Ben:

** Emergency Care in California
Overwhelmed, Underfunded and in Peril

The California Chapter of the American College of Emergency Physicians


Emergency Departments in US

1998-1998 loss of 1,128 ERs

Number of ED visits increased 15% since 1990

By 1998 1 out of 5 people had at least one ED visit


Emergency Departments in California

310 hospitals with EDs in California - 1999

(OSHPOD data, excluding standby EDs)

Serving nearly 10 million Californians per year

3000 Emergency Physicians + several thousand on-call back up physicians

ERs are safety net for health care system

Federal law requires emergency treatment for all patients. No market place dynamics.

1999 1990

Comprehensive 9 7

Basic 301 332

Stand-By 47 68

Total 357 407



Hospitals & ER Closures in California

Decreased Number of ERs:

12% decline in number of EDs from 1990 1999

407 to 357

19 closed since 1995; 9 in 1999/2000

LA: 20% of all hospitals in past 20 years

Increased ER Utilization:

8.4 to 9.4 million : 1990 1999

Increased urgent and critical visits 1990-1999

58% to 65%

Decreased non-urgent visits by 6%





ER Overcrowding & Ambulance Diversion

WHY are ERs OVERCROWDED?

1. Decreased Capacity (hospitals closed)

2. Increased Volume (more patients)

3. Multifactorial Causes: increased complexity of patients, in-patient hospital bed shortage, nursing shortage, on-call specialist shortage, increased need for transfers



Bypass/ Diversion

Definition: Ambulance can't go to closest ER;

must shop for ER that has a bed

Suspension of Diversion, Round Robin Diversion = when all area ERs are full, they all must accept any patient, regardless of capability

Bypass/ Diversion November 2000

San Diego: 12/20 hospitals on bypass more than 20% of the month

Grossmont 38%; Kaiser 35%; Alvarado 35%; Sharp Chula Vista 30%;

UCSD 28%; Mercy 23%

Orange County: Nearly double total bypass hours from 1999 2000

Nov 2000 Mean = 53 hours; Nov 1999 Mean = 27 hours

FVHMC and Mission Hospital = 19% of Nov on diversion

Sacramento: Nov 2000 nearly double diversion than previous months

Round Robin Hours Nov, 2000 = 150+; Jan Oct = 56-76 hours

UCDMC = 42% of Nov on diversion

Los Angeles: Nov 2000 Data

72 hospitals total

33 > 20% of month on bypass = > 144 hours = 46% of hospitals

6 > 50% bypass = >375 hours

47 > 100 hours of bypass = 14%of the month = 65% of hospitals

Alameda County: incomplete data, not available



Patient Consequences

Preventable Deaths & Disabilities

AT LEAST 5 KNOWN DEATHS IN WAITING ROOMS

BECAUSE OF NO BED IN THE ED

Patients waiting for respirators

ICU patients held in ER for days

Long waiting room times

Prolonged pain and suffering

Patient Dissatisfaction

Violence in the ED



On Call Specialist Crisis

Definition:

the doctor you need for your emergency is not available

Survey Results:

Serious problem for 60% of hospitals

Hospital payments for on call services: $100 million/ year (informal hospital data)

Insurance Status does not matter

The Impact

System: ER closures & transfers: domino effect

Patients: preventable deaths and disabilities



Financial Murder: Why are ERs Going Broke?

$400 million losses/year in uncompensated care

$317 millon hospital/ $100 million physician

1. Unfunded Federal Mandate to see and treat all patients

(COBRA/ EMTALA)

< 2% of health care dollar

2. Increased Uninsured

22% Californians; > 7 million

70,000 more uninsured per month

EMS fund does not meet cost of delivering care

3. No Pay/ Underpayment by HMO

No incentive to pay

30,000 unpaid claims to DHS in 3 years

$112 million/ year loss from commercial HMO

23% payment by Medi-Cal HMO IF paid at all

4. Under funding of System

California is 47th for Medicare reimbursement



Medi-Cal Managed Care Saga

Under funded

No pay, slow pay, low pay

Fraud and abuse to provider

Court Room Experience

DHS Appeals Process



Unfair Payment Practices- Down Coding Examples

28 yo F with Tylenol overdose

Bill = $325; Paid $20.90

10 month old with Febrile Seizure

Bill = $223; Paid $20.90

38 yo with kidney stone

Bill = $231; Paid $16.77

84 yo with acute heart attack

Bill = $288.75; Paid $70

Unconscious patient need life support

Bill = $740.25; Paid $117.32





SOURCES

ER Overcrowding Spreads into Crisis Territory. LA Times. May 14, 2001. Jane Allen

Emergency Room Demand outstrips supply; patients potentially at risk. Center for studying health system change. May 9, 2001

Emergency Room Diversions: A symptom of hospitals under stress. Center for studying health system change. May 2001.

US Emergency Health Safety Net Unraveling. New York Times. Alan Elsner. May 9, 2001

Trend Watch AHA March 2001, Vol 3 No 1

As ER visits climb, hospitals react. The Philadelphia Inquirer. March 16, 2001

Valley ERs packed, but not by flu. The Fresno Bee. Barbara Anderson. March 2001.

Patients bypassing primary doctors for emergency care. AMNews. Leigh Page. Feb 12, 2001

Struggling to Stay Aflota, Save lives in ERs Chaos. Jan 22, 2001. Mark Morocco.

Doctors say emergency rooms ailing. Statewide loss put at $400 million per year. San Diego Union Tribune. Cheryl Clark. January 19, 2001

State Urged to Intervene in Hospitals' Urgent Care. LA Times. Jan 18, 2001. 3rd page. Jennifer Warren.

Hospitals divert patients to other emergency rooms. San Diego Union Tribune. Cheryl Clark Jan 15, 2001

New trauma center eases little burden. Emergency rooms still rack up costs. Kathy Robertson. Sacramento Business Journal. Jan 5, 2001

Emergency rooms struggle with crowding ambulances sometimes directed away from the nearest hospital. USA Today. Julie Appleby. Jan 4, 2001

Sutter swats frustrated doctors on their way out. Sacramento Business Journal. Kathy Roberson. January 5, 2001

Emergency room crisis worsening. Boston Globe. Dec 25, 2000. Larry Tye.

Emergency Crews Worry as Hospitals Say No Vacancy. New York Times. December 17, 2000. Carey Goldberg.

ER Crisis.USA Today. Feb 4, 2000. Front Page. Julie Appleby.

The saga of general hospital: a real life soap opera. EMN. Anne Scheck. Feb 2000.

Critical Condition. Time. Daniel Eisenberg. Jan 31, 2000.

EMS Commission Report. Jan 26, 2000. Issues impacting Hospital Diversion and EMS Systems. www.emsa.ca.gov/hospcrwdrpt.htm

Overcrowding in the Nation's Emergency Departments: Complex Causes and Disturbing Effects. Derlet and Richards. Annals of Emergency Medicine. Jan 2000; 35:1.

LA Times. Page 3. Feb 15, 2000. Treating an Emergency Care Crisis. Miguel Bustillo.

LA Times. Jun 1, 1999. ER Patients Lose In Specialists' Rebellion

USA Today. Feb 4, 2000. Page 6. Deaths lead to debate in California Laws aimed at hospital closure, consolidations. Julie Appleby.

AMNews. Geri Aston. Feb 21, 2000. Medicare HMO Spending.

Irvin and Fox. Annals of Emergency Medicine. March 2000; 35:3: 287. Reimbursement Impact of Medicaid Managed Care Organizations Replacing Standard Medicaid

Health Care Financing Administration Form 64 and 2082 1998 (Medicaid reimbursement)

Kaiser Commission on Medicaid and the Uninsured 1998

Closing Time. California leads the nation in hospital closures. Nurse Week. May 17, 1999.

On Call Task Force Survey 1999: California Medical Association, California Healthcare Association, and California Chapter of the American College of Emergency Physicians

Another 84 Hospitals are closing this years, and we are only 3 months into it. I used California ONLY, Ben for your benefit. Let me guess...you are now going to say you don't know where California is, or accuse me of baiting you with it. I used California because it is the most populated State, and is a good reference of what is wrong/right in our Country. This issue is happening everywhere, but not because anyone was denied medical treatment. It is happening because NOBODY is denied.

Now, answer the question. One person....name ONE person who cannot get medical treatment in this Country. Give me a verifiable name...so someone can investigate for the benefit of that person, and find out why several Federal and State Laws were violated, by refusing to treat him/her. There are enough Attorneys who read these threads, to be able to help this ONE person get compensation for the violation of their civil rights.

One name, Ben.

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Ok...this is easy Robert.......

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

"Name ONE person who can be verified as having NO ACCESS to healthcare services in this Country."


Lets make it easy so "a caveman can understand it"..........

EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO CANT AFFORD IT.

There...... done.

Your argument is pathetic Robert. What your basically saying is that "healthcare exists...thus everyone has it".

Its not that simple.

You can equate that to saying "Everyone has access to a $400,000 Porsche automobile".

Yes Robert, EVERYONE HAS access to a half million dollar cars....Not everyone can afford it.

Everyone has access to housing...not everyone can afford it.

Everyone has access to food...not everyone can afford it.

Your argument is laughable.

Once again you twist and contort. This time your smoke screen is narrowing in on one word again. The line of "access". I distinctly mentioned "AFFORDABLE" several times. That is the key here. That is the problem with our healtcare Robert. Its not that it doesnt exist. Its that its costs, and the hell people are put through these days to get it are out of control. If a person cant AFFORD something then that can equate to "NO ACCESS". Get it?

I think your going to be hard pressed to show me a report that says EVERYONE is covered in this country. They may have "access", in your definition of the word, but they are far from covered.

Lets not forget that I sell products for the healthcare industry. It pisses me off to see prices jacked up just because its getting used for "medical purposes".

Let me give you some examples......

Pregnancy Test: $20 to buy on your own at the drug store. $60-$100 for you to see your doctor and have him run the test. My company buys them in boxes of 20....for $25 a box!!! My average price to the doctors, and resource labs is around $1.75 each. You do the math. I'm making my profit, that I think is fair. I have no problem with someone making a profit for a decent service at a decent price. But look where the real money is going eh?

Strep test: Only a doctor can do it, but its just about as simple as a pregnancy test. Same method. Different sample taking. $80-$120 to run if you go see a doctor (and you have too!). I buy them for $17.50 for a box of 20. Once again you do the math.

My company mainly sells bigger instruments. Many interface with computers. Until recently, most were Mac oriented. Over the past 4-5 years, PC's have become more common. When one of these instruments is sold, the computer is usually included unless the doctor already has one set up with other instruments.
Now would you care to explain why my medical suppliers charge $8000-$10000 for those PC's? Hmmmm? The exact same PC's that I can run down to Fry's or CompUSA, or even build on my own for less than $1k??? I'll tell you why Robert. Because the healthcare industry has gone nuts in this country. Prices are out of reality. Just because someone says it for medical purposes, suddenly the pricing is as if it were made of gold.

Sometimes its the doctor that ramps up the price. Sometimes it the manufacturer (common). Sometimes its the sales rep companies LIKE mine. Sometimes its just the way the healthcare providers screw with the billing (most common of all).

One thing for sure, its not MINE! I havent fallen into this greed fiasco the rest of corporate America has. I do fine, my company does fine, my employees do fine (with healthcare!), my customers do fine.

Now I could cutback on my employees bennys. I could start charging "list" for all my products to my customers. I could actually buy those computers and pass the cost on to my customers with a nice fat markup based on the percentage. Instead of running to Fry's and building one ourselves for the instrument at 1/8th the cost. Saving the doctor thousands.

I could potentially double or triple my income.....

....and afford that $400,000 Porsche I was talking about earlier.

But I'm sorry Robert, I'm not like you, I wouldnt be able to sleep at night if I did that.

I think I live very well. I didnt have to screw anyone to get where I am. I dont intend to screw anyone to maintain it.

When/if the day comes that someone gets around to fixing this mess, I know my company will be fine as well. The structure of the company doesnt require massive overpricing to maintain itself.

Healthcare in this country is ill Robert. If you cant afford it....do you really have "access"?

NO.
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And a couple more issues, Ben

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Since you are against FREE meds, like I joked about for Charles, how do justify having the taxpayers foot the entire bill for healthcare? I like you Ben, I really do. You always manage to stay on both sides of the issue. Good work.

And what is this missive you claim I posted as an "owner-operator"? That was brought up in a TP thread by an equally vapid individual. I challenged her to post the link to it, but she never could. You give it a try. I looked at more than 45 of them, from start to finish, and couldn't find it. YOU post the link.

You won't though. You can't. It never happened. You take what someone else claimed, and accepted it as the truth, without ever doing any fact-checking.

You're a sad, strange, little man.
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I'll have to make this so easy, a Caveman can understand it

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Ben, I own a NAPA AutoCare Center. It isn a repair facility. The only parts I sell, are the ones I install.

I cannot think of a single person in this Country(legal or not) who does not have full, and complete access to healthcare. Can you? Of course not. Just because I carry no health insurance, does not equate to my lacking healthcare. I pay my Doctor out of my pocket. It works amazingly well, and Libs like you cannot stand to hear of it. I also use the VA, Ben. I have a service related injury, so I can always go there. As is always the case with Socialized Medicine, the wait is long, so I usually opt for the Civilian route. Guess what? I did it when I was Active Duty too.

You're pathetic. Name ONE person who can be verified as having NO ACCESS to healthcare services in this Country. Go for it. Maybe they cannot get that sex change operation for FREE, or the Boob job, or other elective surgery, but NOBODY is denied full medical treatment. In California, dozens of Hospitals are closing because of this FACT. They must treat the poor, even if it means eating the cost.

Nice try Ben. Try again.
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#175 Consumer Comment

Booo h*o! John

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Oh boo h*o John.

So what if Hillary wont make her full 6 years. She made a "promise". Bah! Many candidates hold other jobs and "leave" them for a higher post.

Lets see if I can find one....

Hmmm...

How about GWB! He got elected for a second 4 YEAR TERM to be governor of Texas in 1998!!

Hmmmmm...didnt he get elected in 2000 to be prez?? Poor old Texas got abandoned...BOOO h*o!

Your argument is worthless.

I can name a zillion demos and republicans that have done, or are in the process of doing that. And if your upset that you believed a politician and they broke their promise...you only have yourself to blame. Doesnt matter where they sit on the political spectrum. The are all still politicians. They ALL break promises.

READ MY LIPS: "NO NEW TAXES" (remember that one?! I'll leave you to figure out who said that.)

Besides I never said I was putting my "faith" in Hillary. I stuck to the issue of HEALTH CARE.

If the republicans wish to tackle the subject honestly. I'm game. But I dont see that happening from their end of the spectrum. I do from the demos. Simple enough.

Got a better plan?.....we're listening!

Wait we havent even SEEN Hillary's plan have we. Kinda jumping the gun arnt you? Oh I forgot, its not the health care your bashing....its just Hillary in general.
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Booo h*o! John

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Oh boo h*o John.

So what if Hillary wont make her full 6 years. She made a "promise". Bah! Many candidates hold other jobs and "leave" them for a higher post.

Lets see if I can find one....

Hmmm...

How about GWB! He got elected for a second 4 YEAR TERM to be governor of Texas in 1998!!

Hmmmmm...didnt he get elected in 2000 to be prez?? Poor old Texas got abandoned...BOOO h*o!

Your argument is worthless.

I can name a zillion demos and republicans that have done, or are in the process of doing that. And if your upset that you believed a politician and they broke their promise...you only have yourself to blame. Doesnt matter where they sit on the political spectrum. The are all still politicians. They ALL break promises.

READ MY LIPS: "NO NEW TAXES" (remember that one?! I'll leave you to figure out who said that.)

Besides I never said I was putting my "faith" in Hillary. I stuck to the issue of HEALTH CARE.

If the republicans wish to tackle the subject honestly. I'm game. But I dont see that happening from their end of the spectrum. I do from the demos. Simple enough.

Got a better plan?.....we're listening!

Wait we havent even SEEN Hillary's plan have we. Kinda jumping the gun arnt you? Oh I forgot, its not the health care your bashing....its just Hillary in general.
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Booo h*o! John

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Oh boo h*o John.

So what if Hillary wont make her full 6 years. She made a "promise". Bah! Many candidates hold other jobs and "leave" them for a higher post.

Lets see if I can find one....

Hmmm...

How about GWB! He got elected for a second 4 YEAR TERM to be governor of Texas in 1998!!

Hmmmmm...didnt he get elected in 2000 to be prez?? Poor old Texas got abandoned...BOOO h*o!

Your argument is worthless.

I can name a zillion demos and republicans that have done, or are in the process of doing that. And if your upset that you believed a politician and they broke their promise...you only have yourself to blame. Doesnt matter where they sit on the political spectrum. The are all still politicians. They ALL break promises.

READ MY LIPS: "NO NEW TAXES" (remember that one?! I'll leave you to figure out who said that.)

Besides I never said I was putting my "faith" in Hillary. I stuck to the issue of HEALTH CARE.

If the republicans wish to tackle the subject honestly. I'm game. But I dont see that happening from their end of the spectrum. I do from the demos. Simple enough.

Got a better plan?.....we're listening!

Wait we havent even SEEN Hillary's plan have we. Kinda jumping the gun arnt you? Oh I forgot, its not the health care your bashing....its just Hillary in general.
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#178 Consumer Comment

Yeah Put all your Faith in Hillary

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Last year she made a promise to the voters of New York that she will serve them as Senator for the full 6 year term. The only way she will do that now is if she loses the presidential bid. Even if she does lose she is basically taking a year and a half break because she will be too busy campaigning around the country to have any impact in the Senate. I feel that ANY candidate that is sitting in the House or Senate should at least temporarily step down. The country suffers as a whole when the Senators and congressmen are absent so often. I'm surprised more democrats don't agree with this especially because 2 Democratic Senators are going to be absent a lot and the majority is so slim right now.

I also didn't know that she had the authority to tell all the other candidates what is off limits as far as debating. She is telling this to the Democrats as well as the Republicans so I am not Democrat Bashing as you put it Charles.
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#179 Consumer Comment

Yeah Put all your Faith in Hillary

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Last year she made a promise to the voters of New York that she will serve them as Senator for the full 6 year term. The only way she will do that now is if she loses the presidential bid. Even if she does lose she is basically taking a year and a half break because she will be too busy campaigning around the country to have any impact in the Senate. I feel that ANY candidate that is sitting in the House or Senate should at least temporarily step down. The country suffers as a whole when the Senators and congressmen are absent so often. I'm surprised more democrats don't agree with this especially because 2 Democratic Senators are going to be absent a lot and the majority is so slim right now.

I also didn't know that she had the authority to tell all the other candidates what is off limits as far as debating. She is telling this to the Democrats as well as the Republicans so I am not Democrat Bashing as you put it Charles.
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#180 Consumer Comment

Yeah Put all your Faith in Hillary

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Last year she made a promise to the voters of New York that she will serve them as Senator for the full 6 year term. The only way she will do that now is if she loses the presidential bid. Even if she does lose she is basically taking a year and a half break because she will be too busy campaigning around the country to have any impact in the Senate. I feel that ANY candidate that is sitting in the House or Senate should at least temporarily step down. The country suffers as a whole when the Senators and congressmen are absent so often. I'm surprised more democrats don't agree with this especially because 2 Democratic Senators are going to be absent a lot and the majority is so slim right now.

I also didn't know that she had the authority to tell all the other candidates what is off limits as far as debating. She is telling this to the Democrats as well as the Republicans so I am not Democrat Bashing as you put it Charles.
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#181 Consumer Comment

Yeah Put all your Faith in Hillary

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Last year she made a promise to the voters of New York that she will serve them as Senator for the full 6 year term. The only way she will do that now is if she loses the presidential bid. Even if she does lose she is basically taking a year and a half break because she will be too busy campaigning around the country to have any impact in the Senate. I feel that ANY candidate that is sitting in the House or Senate should at least temporarily step down. The country suffers as a whole when the Senators and congressmen are absent so often. I'm surprised more democrats don't agree with this especially because 2 Democratic Senators are going to be absent a lot and the majority is so slim right now.

I also didn't know that she had the authority to tell all the other candidates what is off limits as far as debating. She is telling this to the Democrats as well as the Republicans so I am not Democrat Bashing as you put it Charles.
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#182 Consumer Comment

John u hate anyone who does not like bush

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

John, u hate everyone who does not like bush or support him why should we support bush look @ the mess he has created, their is no need of bush continuing this war!. People, will hold celebration parties the day bush & cheney leave office americans will never vote for another bush, to be president!. Rudy, will not win cause bush has ruined it for all republicans!.
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#183 Consumer Comment

Oh Robert... same shnook as always.

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

"Get ready for Hillarycare, Ben. She and her Lapdog attempted it in the early 90's. She'll do it again with an agreeable Congress." -- Robert.

Good. We need it.

Cant be any worse than Bush's little war.

At least I can find plenty of people with lacking or no health care.

Hows that search for WMD's going by the way?

Bet I can find people lacking in healthcare in this country faster than you can find WMD's in Iraq.

How making healthcare available and affordable for all, is a bad thing, when starting a war over something that doesnt exist anymore is a good thing is beyond me.

Only you, Robert, can believe that sort of logic.

Maybe Hillary will make a big bloated government office that really doesnt help. But we will never know till someone tries. One thing for sure...SOMETHING needs to be done. This is something that NEEDS to be done! If the demos can or cannot do it remains to be seen. Everything takes risks. And this is a risk I would rather take or have taken than this pathetic war in Iraq which has nothing to do with terrorists. Or at least it didnt until we MADE IT THAT WAY. Thanks to Bush and his oil cronies. Obviously a risk THEY took, and lost, on our dime. Do you think they will feel the financial pinch because of this war? HA! People like you and I will. The average Joes will. The families of the dead soldiers will. The injured soldiers will. We gained nothing from this joke in Iraq but a big price tag and even more terror around the globe. At least some sort of decent healthcare would go to US. In whatever shape or form it may be.

I took a break from this site for awhile. I come back, and your plastered around more than ever! Good grief man, your a joke on this site. Your like that "Peter from Pony Alabama" guy. Everyone has you pegged and has your number. I love the one where you posted that you were "owner operator". When it wasnt even a NAPA site. Guess you own all sorts of things now eh? Bilking people on brake jobs is paying well these days I guess. Oh wait, I forgot, you really work at a car "parts" place. Not a "repair" shop.

Your as famous as Tupper Lake! You get around more than the Tupper posts as well.


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What a shnook.

Robert-logic....gotta love it...maybe for the Colbert Report. Actually Colbert makes more sense. And hes joking! You seriously believe this garbarge!

Next you will be telling us about how the Constitution protects our right to bear arms "against our own government" again. After all you always need a smoke screen to deflect the subject at hand. Perhaps you would like to banter about the population of gumballs in Kansas City according to the census eh? Or argue that you found one black gumball in with zillions of other colors so the entire states supply is tainted? How the one black gumball is indoctrinating the entire race of gumballs to be black.

Put on your tinfoil hat and go join the Montana Milita ya putz. Science always needs more samples of cavemen to study.
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#184 Consumer Comment

Samuel, Complain about your own country

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Samuel:

You write like yyou are in the US but according to your post you are from Canada. Which is it? Why are you bashing the US like that and you aren'r even from here. I didn't know the US taxed Canadians?

I also do not appreciate your language and i am surprised it got by the editors. don'r comment unless you can respond like a DECENT Human Being.
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#185 Consumer Comment

Samuel, Complain about your own country

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Samuel:

You write like yyou are in the US but according to your post you are from Canada. Which is it? Why are you bashing the US like that and you aren'r even from here. I didn't know the US taxed Canadians?

I also do not appreciate your language and i am surprised it got by the editors. don'r comment unless you can respond like a DECENT Human Being.
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#186 Consumer Comment

Samuel, Complain about your own country

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Samuel:

You write like yyou are in the US but according to your post you are from Canada. Which is it? Why are you bashing the US like that and you aren'r even from here. I didn't know the US taxed Canadians?

I also do not appreciate your language and i am surprised it got by the editors. don'r comment unless you can respond like a DECENT Human Being.
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#187 Consumer Comment

Samuel, Complain about your own country

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Samuel:

You write like yyou are in the US but according to your post you are from Canada. Which is it? Why are you bashing the US like that and you aren'r even from here. I didn't know the US taxed Canadians?

I also do not appreciate your language and i am surprised it got by the editors. don'r comment unless you can respond like a DECENT Human Being.
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#188 Consumer Comment

What my Grandpa always told me when I was a kid.

AUTHOR: Scott - (U.S.A.)

I was ready to make a response to the ridiculous comments made, but then I remebered what Grandpa always said" Never argue with a drunk or a fool."
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#189 Consumer Comment

George Bush is the New Hitler Reborn

AUTHOR: Samuel - (Canada)

I am not a political person but from what I have read and researched George Bush is partners with and just as bad as the people he claims to be hunted down.

example: Bin Ladin supposedly sends his people to fly planes into WTT.

George Bush agreed to demolish the WTT trade center with innocent Americans inside. Along with the financial investigations building which was the third building to fall in 911. Many people do not know that. His family was being investigated for financial fraud with the Saudis who by the way own 7% of America and are related to Bin.

See they both are willing to sacrifice their own people to prove a point and win an imaginary war.

Hitler at least protected his people and went after different nations. Now don't get me wrong I am not defending Hitler in any way just using him to prove a point.

What happened to Katrina he wants to spend A trillion dollars on a war and can't help his own people when in need. All you Bush supporters would think a lot differently is you were one of the victims of Hurricane Katrina. It just does not make sense. The reason why The USA could not get the oil out of Iraq is because the people who owned it would rather blow it up than watch The Bushes get richer off their labor.

As of today USA is at war with:

Iraq
Afghanistan
Iran
North Korea

Who's next?

We are approaching World War 3 All it takes is that fat f**k Korean guy to get agitated or some f**k face with enough money and power to prove a point.

Why is it that USA is the only country in history to use a Nuclear weapon on people, but now they want to govern it's use and technology to the world. They even want to govern space. The united states wants to govern how people can go into space to.

Right now the government tells you how to:

1. Spend your own money (taxes)
2. How to drive (toll routes speed limits, no lefts rights etc..)
3. How to manage your land Imagine I buy a house I pay land taxes on it but if I want to renovate it or add a tree on my front lawn I need to ask the f**king government and pay them in order to receive a permit to do it WTF?
4. this list can go on forever.
5. taxes was brought in the pay for World War 1 and 2 and the government promised our grandparents back then that after the war they would abolish taxes. Now 60 odd years later we are still paying for it. The Government saw that the money was too sweet to give up so decade after decade family after family takes over sucks as much of our money as they can and then moves on after they are all a couple billion dollars richer.

Listen People i am not trying to say bin Ladin, George Bush, or the Fat short North Korean guy is right they are all f**ked up and in similar ways. They play with our lives like they are playing a game of Command and Conquer. (love that game)Honestly this s**t needs to stop. We need to rally together as one body to stop this s**t. Yes Bush does good to balance all the evil in his life. So what is it going to take? We are all in the same boat we get up go to work pay bills watch movies and are blinded by material and non-material riches while they cash in everyday, every minute, every second.

When are the poor working class people of this planet going to stand up and say we are worth more than 5 dollars an hour or 60 cents a day. Together we do not need Bush or all these companies but they need you, us. If one voted how would bush be elected? If no one went to work how would General Motors build cars, How would Google make money if no one searched for s**t?

All I am asking you to do as an individual, as a family, as group or as a citizen of earth is just think about it. Sit back and think about it.

There is a lot more out there just look up at the sky at night at all the stars. Our sun is huge and all those stars are like our sun if not bigger and brighter and there planets revolving around those stars. Some with life some without life. That's the s**t we need to be prepared for oil ain't s**t, money ain't s**t, diamonds ain't s**t.

We all bleed red blood no one on this planet has blood that is a color other than red we all feel pain and need oxygen. So why do we let money, facial color, sex, weight, skills and just about every thing else separate us.

I am sorry my post is all over the place but I haven't even begun to voice my opinion on even 1% of all the s**t that is going on out there.

What do we do humankind is so f**ked up we treat our women like s**t(the bearers of life, the key to our existence)and our planet which sustains our life even worse.

All I am saying is we need to start treating each other better. That's the number issue that needs to be addressed. And this is coming from someone who has lived life at 23 years old. I've been shot twice, stabbed, graduated from University, arrested and jailed on many accounts. The only thing I have not done is had a kid and bought a house. I got a good job two cars (1978 Porsche 924 and A Range Rover) and the sexiest super model girlfriend. Some times you have to sit back and enjoy the simple things and times in life before they are gone cause once you loose it it's gone.

So do your thing make money cause unfortunately money makes the world go round and treat people especially women and your life just may take a change for the liking.
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#190 Consumer Comment

Only you, Ben

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Only you could take my retort for Charles as a serious comment.

I know nothing is FREE. DUH!!!!! I've been preaching that mantra all along.

Try looking up the word SARCASM in a dictionary. It may help. Also, try looking into obtaining a sense of humour. That will most definitely help you.

As a self avowed Liberal, you of all people should be living under the belief that Government is here to help you, and the meds are FREE. Or have you joined the 5% of us who pay 80% of the taxes in this country? I'm guessing you have. It doesn't take much to join the club.

Get ready for Hillarycare, Ben. She and her Lapdog attempted it in the early 90's. She'll do it again with an agreeable Congress.

I can't wait to see you at either the Republican Convention, or the Libertarian Convention. Everyone leaves the Dems once they have to pay taxes, unless they can make a living as a Politician or Race-Pimp.

BTW, read all of Charles' missives and tell me he doesn't need an increase in his Meds...FREE or not.
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#191 Consumer Comment

Meds? you have to be kidding! Oh where to start......

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Oh Robert...

"He made your medications much cheaper for you to pay for."

Sure he did. Basically he created a huge government operation that is nothing but a huge money pipeline for our tax money to goto the big med makers. The republican's little "gift" to the big pharmaceutical companies. There is where someone was subsidised Robert. The companies got it. The "people" got a big red tape nightmare. Not to mention it squashed any chance for decent and cheaper generics.

Bush just gave his cronies more money and hid it in a plan the people really needed, using their tax money in a nasty inefficient maner. Even our senior citizens are disgusted that the AARP was bullied into this scam.

The "people" got their meds alright. Bare bones and totally monopolized.

The the fat cats at the big pharmaceutical companies got the windfall in the form of a fat government check. Not to mention the nice umbrella from any "real" competition.

Typical, take money from 95% of the people and give it to the top 5% under some ruse they are trying to help. While actually only making themselves fatter and giving out a bare bones and inferior deal. Keeping the lions share for themselves. Tying up the rest of us in their little red tape nightmare. To busy "dealing with it" to bother to put a stop to it.

One more scam. One more joke. One more social, global, economic disaster that our children will pay for dearly in the years to come. The Bush list grows by leaps and bounds every day. The man has done NO GOOD for this country. In debt after a record surplus. Fighting the wrong wars in the wrong places for the wrong reasons, while ignoring the ones that actually attacked us. Diverting more and more of the average Joe's money to a little group of private buddies.

He's a shnook!

The proof isnt in the posts this time Robert. Nothing you or I can say will ever prove either of us right or wrong in this forum.

The proof is now in history itself. Look at the world. Its a mess thanks to this retard.

Gee Wiz thanks Mr. President, everything else is forgotten....you made my meds cheaper! NOT!
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#192 Consumer Comment

I can name one thing he's done, Charles...

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

He made your medications much cheaper for you to pay for. While I don't subscribe to the theory of Government subsidies, the mere fact that YOU will be able to afford heavier doses, sits well with me.
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#193 Consumer Comment

Please name one good thing bush has done

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Please, name one good thing george w. bush has done besides caused hardships like his republican cronies!, has caused for the middle class & poor people!. Please, name one good thing bush & the republicans have done the republicans, have done nothing good for us! bush has not either!. Bush, has done no good things neither has republicans all they have done Is treat us middle class people & poor people badly!, & caused nothing but hardship. I, have to disagree respectfully bush has done no good things please name one good thing bush has done!.
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#194 Consumer Comment

"They drew first blood"

AUTHOR: Christopher - (U.S.A.)

That's right "They drew first blood." Let's not forget what has happened to get us where we are now. James, can you buy gasoline? I can to. You know what that gives us in common? We are incredibly more fortunate than most of the worlds population. I do believe it was former President Clinton that left President Bush an Islamic extremist to deal with. The price of gas went up when those Passenger crashed into those civilian (except the Pentagon) buildings.
Bush didn't start this war...it started September 11,2001. He didn't start it but I pray He ends it. The kind of HATE you are spewing out of your mouth is exactly what fuels Islamic extremists here and around the world. I'm not nieve enough to believe that, lie or not we're fighting there and not here. That's Good isn't it? There are some very good things that President Bush has done. He's also done what He said would do and stuck to His word. Sure, He's made mistakes. I can't think of any. But I'm sure there's something. Why President Clinton even did some good things. Again, I can't think of any but I know He did something worthwhile. James it was wars that right or wrong were fought and the outcome was that people like you and me can say exactly what we think. That's the 1st Amendment to the constitution of the United Sates of America not the Constitution of the united arab emerites
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#195 Consumer Comment

"They drew first blood"

AUTHOR: Christopher - (U.S.A.)

That's right "They drew first blood." Let's not forget what has happened to get us where we are now. James, can you buy gasoline? I can to. You know what that gives us in common? We are incredibly more fortunate than most of the worlds population. I do believe it was former President Clinton that left President Bush an Islamic extremist to deal with. The price of gas went up when those Passenger crashed into those civilian (except the Pentagon) buildings.
Bush didn't start this war...it started September 11,2001. He didn't start it but I pray He ends it. The kind of HATE you are spewing out of your mouth is exactly what fuels Islamic extremists here and around the world. I'm not nieve enough to believe that, lie or not we're fighting there and not here. That's Good isn't it? There are some very good things that President Bush has done. He's also done what He said would do and stuck to His word. Sure, He's made mistakes. I can't think of any. But I'm sure there's something. Why President Clinton even did some good things. Again, I can't think of any but I know He did something worthwhile. James it was wars that right or wrong were fought and the outcome was that people like you and me can say exactly what we think. That's the 1st Amendment to the constitution of the United Sates of America not the Constitution of the united arab emerites
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#196 Consumer Comment

"They drew first blood"

AUTHOR: Christopher - (U.S.A.)

That's right "They drew first blood." Let's not forget what has happened to get us where we are now. James, can you buy gasoline? I can to. You know what that gives us in common? We are incredibly more fortunate than most of the worlds population. I do believe it was former President Clinton that left President Bush an Islamic extremist to deal with. The price of gas went up when those Passenger crashed into those civilian (except the Pentagon) buildings.
Bush didn't start this war...it started September 11,2001. He didn't start it but I pray He ends it. The kind of HATE you are spewing out of your mouth is exactly what fuels Islamic extremists here and around the world. I'm not nieve enough to believe that, lie or not we're fighting there and not here. That's Good isn't it? There are some very good things that President Bush has done. He's also done what He said would do and stuck to His word. Sure, He's made mistakes. I can't think of any. But I'm sure there's something. Why President Clinton even did some good things. Again, I can't think of any but I know He did something worthwhile. James it was wars that right or wrong were fought and the outcome was that people like you and me can say exactly what we think. That's the 1st Amendment to the constitution of the United Sates of America not the Constitution of the united arab emerites
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#197 Consumer Comment

"They drew first blood"

AUTHOR: Christopher - (U.S.A.)

That's right "They drew first blood." Let's not forget what has happened to get us where we are now. James, can you buy gasoline? I can to. You know what that gives us in common? We are incredibly more fortunate than most of the worlds population. I do believe it was former President Clinton that left President Bush an Islamic extremist to deal with. The price of gas went up when those Passenger crashed into those civilian (except the Pentagon) buildings.
Bush didn't start this war...it started September 11,2001. He didn't start it but I pray He ends it. The kind of HATE you are spewing out of your mouth is exactly what fuels Islamic extremists here and around the world. I'm not nieve enough to believe that, lie or not we're fighting there and not here. That's Good isn't it? There are some very good things that President Bush has done. He's also done what He said would do and stuck to His word. Sure, He's made mistakes. I can't think of any. But I'm sure there's something. Why President Clinton even did some good things. Again, I can't think of any but I know He did something worthwhile. James it was wars that right or wrong were fought and the outcome was that people like you and me can say exactly what we think. That's the 1st Amendment to the constitution of the United Sates of America not the Constitution of the united arab emerites
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#198 Consumer Comment

Will is a hard right republican

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Will, is a hard right republican whos only intended to put people down who are not republicans or bush lovers!, why do you think republicans where voted out cause they where being treated so badly!. So, you say I am a democrat supporter you darn right! will!, I am not going to listen to anymore of your put downs sense when is it a crime to be a democrat!.
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#199 Consumer Comment

People are tired of being treated badly from republicans they have no right to treat us like we are nothing

AUTHOR: Anyoumous - (U.S.A.)

Who, do they think they are they can come to this website & insult us & abuse us bush Is the most ignorant president we have ever had, then again most republicans are ignorant!. I, can't believe how many people bush has fooled then we have to put up with the insults & abuse from, the bush fans which we have been putting up with sense bush has been president!. People, are tired of being treated badll from republicans they have no right to treat us like nothing!.
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#200 Consumer Comment

People are tired of being treated badly from republicans they have no right to treat us like we are nothing

AUTHOR: Anyoumous - (U.S.A.)

Who, do they think they are they can come to this website & insult us & abuse us bush Is the most ignorant president we have ever had, then again most republicans are ignorant!. I, can't believe how many people bush has fooled then we have to put up with the insults & abuse from, the bush fans which we have been putting up with sense bush has been president!. People, are tired of being treated badll from republicans they have no right to treat us like nothing!.
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#201 Consumer Comment

People are tired of being treated badly from republicans they have no right to treat us like we are nothing

AUTHOR: Anyoumous - (U.S.A.)

Who, do they think they are they can come to this website & insult us & abuse us bush Is the most ignorant president we have ever had, then again most republicans are ignorant!. I, can't believe how many people bush has fooled then we have to put up with the insults & abuse from, the bush fans which we have been putting up with sense bush has been president!. People, are tired of being treated badll from republicans they have no right to treat us like nothing!.
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#202 Consumer Comment

People are tired of being treated badly from republicans they have no right to treat us like we are nothing

AUTHOR: Anyoumous - (U.S.A.)

Who, do they think they are they can come to this website & insult us & abuse us bush Is the most ignorant president we have ever had, then again most republicans are ignorant!. I, can't believe how many people bush has fooled then we have to put up with the insults & abuse from, the bush fans which we have been putting up with sense bush has been president!. People, are tired of being treated badll from republicans they have no right to treat us like nothing!.
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#203 Consumer Comment

What a bunch of morons!

AUTHOR: Will - (U.S.A.)

There must not be a lot to do up in Tupperware Lake but to screw around and bash Bush. Let's break your facts down a little shall we?
One- No WMDs? How in the world do you think Saddam killed all of those Kurds back in the 80's? You bet he had them. Not only that, but our troops found secret hidden caches recently that our so called friends did not want us to find. Why? The boxes were marked "Made in Germany" and "Made in France".

Two- No ties to terror? You bet Iraq had ties to terrorism. Saddam even funded family members for some of those terrorists. Not only that, but he had training camps in his back yard. Remember that? Oh yeah. You don't cause Bubba was getting a hummer in the White House. You remember that though I bet. Bubba blew a few up during the same time.

Three- Bush did not steal the election. He won fair and square. Remember the Electoral College? Of course not because your news comes from ABC, CBS, NBC, Micheal Moore and that butch Billary Clinton. What a great group to get info from.
Four- Had Gore won, we would be getting all of our information right now from Al-Jazero TV and complaining in Arabic!!! Dwell on this one for a while!

Five- War for oil? What a bunch of morons. Had we really gone in for oil, then why is gas still over 10 cents per gallon? Because we did not go in for oil.

Six- Bush does not get rich from this. You and Sheehan and all of the others bleeding heart liberals, STOP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID! It taints your IQ. There is no more connections to Haliburtin from Bush or Cheney. Remember Harry Reid benefitted from Haliburtin as well? Did not know this. Oh yeah. Micheal Moore did not tell you this.

Seven- Ever talked to a member of the service? Who is still active? Who served in Iraq? No? Well I have and they are all bummed that the public does not know all of the good we have gone there. Mainstream Hollyweird media only focuses on the negative and never the positive. Did you know more kinds go to school now because of us? Before the kids were homeschooled by radicals. That would taint you just a bit. Did you also know that women are no longer treated worse than dogs? Oh yeah. Billary did not say so. It is true. Did you know more people have running water and electricity? No? Did not see that during that last acid laced kool aid session.

Say what you want about Bush, but know this and know this well. You, your family and friends sleep very well at night thanks to Bush and those who walk that line for freedom. Not Clooney, or that Streistand, or even Billary. Hell, Ted Kennedy can now enjoy his Makers Mark in peace and not have to shout allah before each shot.

I sugest you get your info from other blogs besides the huffingtom post. I know I mis-spelled some words in here. This was done n purpose!!
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#204 Consumer Comment

Total Nonsense... Get the facts.... Bush's only crime was being the most ignorant president in the history of Usa.

AUTHOR: Ken - (U.S.A.)

Of all the rebuttals I read none should really be here or this topic. Since Bush really rip-offed no one. Since 1979 Reagon along with other figures have constantly been in the light such as Donald Rumsfield, d**k Cheney, The Haliburton Comapany among others. You can search the real faq's online. It basically started with Reagon trying to help Iraq with loans and things and the food for oil program. But Pakistan cut off the pipelines up that way and Iran cut off the pipelines thier way. Greed they wanted part of the action. Iran was also making accusations that Iraq was using chemical warfare against thier troops. They all have common denominators which point to those involved. This has been on going with Iraq a long time. It was an embarrasment to America and to cover-up is a natural human process. Bottom line is when Iraq invaded Kuwait they were looking for an alternative route to port the war so they were guilty of corruption. But they had backers and Saddam needed to be silenced before the real truth came out. Hence forth end of story, mission accomplished. Those involved will never tell so the real story went to the grave to forever leave us guessing. But you can bet those thier since Reagon took office no the truth. As to the 9-11 attacks. Bush's only crime was being the most ignorant president in the history of Usa. But now he has blood on his hands and not enough investigation was done to find the guilty of the 9-11 attacks. He went into Iraq with misguided information. But I'm sure in the end those guilty will get thier proper justice. The hand and power of god is strong.
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#205 Consumer Comment

Total Nonsense... Get the facts.... Bush's only crime was being the most ignorant president in the history of Usa.

AUTHOR: Ken - (U.S.A.)

Of all the rebuttals I read none should really be here or this topic. Since Bush really rip-offed no one. Since 1979 Reagon along with other figures have constantly been in the light such as Donald Rumsfield, d**k Cheney, The Haliburton Comapany among others. You can search the real faq's online. It basically started with Reagon trying to help Iraq with loans and things and the food for oil program. But Pakistan cut off the pipelines up that way and Iran cut off the pipelines thier way. Greed they wanted part of the action. Iran was also making accusations that Iraq was using chemical warfare against thier troops. They all have common denominators which point to those involved. This has been on going with Iraq a long time. It was an embarrasment to America and to cover-up is a natural human process. Bottom line is when Iraq invaded Kuwait they were looking for an alternative route to port the war so they were guilty of corruption. But they had backers and Saddam needed to be silenced before the real truth came out. Hence forth end of story, mission accomplished. Those involved will never tell so the real story went to the grave to forever leave us guessing. But you can bet those thier since Reagon took office no the truth. As to the 9-11 attacks. Bush's only crime was being the most ignorant president in the history of Usa. But now he has blood on his hands and not enough investigation was done to find the guilty of the 9-11 attacks. He went into Iraq with misguided information. But I'm sure in the end those guilty will get thier proper justice. The hand and power of god is strong.
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Total Nonsense... Get the facts.... Bush's only crime was being the most ignorant president in the history of Usa.

AUTHOR: Ken - (U.S.A.)

Of all the rebuttals I read none should really be here or this topic. Since Bush really rip-offed no one. Since 1979 Reagon along with other figures have constantly been in the light such as Donald Rumsfield, d**k Cheney, The Haliburton Comapany among others. You can search the real faq's online. It basically started with Reagon trying to help Iraq with loans and things and the food for oil program. But Pakistan cut off the pipelines up that way and Iran cut off the pipelines thier way. Greed they wanted part of the action. Iran was also making accusations that Iraq was using chemical warfare against thier troops. They all have common denominators which point to those involved. This has been on going with Iraq a long time. It was an embarrasment to America and to cover-up is a natural human process. Bottom line is when Iraq invaded Kuwait they were looking for an alternative route to port the war so they were guilty of corruption. But they had backers and Saddam needed to be silenced before the real truth came out. Hence forth end of story, mission accomplished. Those involved will never tell so the real story went to the grave to forever leave us guessing. But you can bet those thier since Reagon took office no the truth. As to the 9-11 attacks. Bush's only crime was being the most ignorant president in the history of Usa. But now he has blood on his hands and not enough investigation was done to find the guilty of the 9-11 attacks. He went into Iraq with misguided information. But I'm sure in the end those guilty will get thier proper justice. The hand and power of god is strong.
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Total Nonsense... Get the facts.... Bush's only crime was being the most ignorant president in the history of Usa.

AUTHOR: Ken - (U.S.A.)

Of all the rebuttals I read none should really be here or this topic. Since Bush really rip-offed no one. Since 1979 Reagon along with other figures have constantly been in the light such as Donald Rumsfield, d**k Cheney, The Haliburton Comapany among others. You can search the real faq's online. It basically started with Reagon trying to help Iraq with loans and things and the food for oil program. But Pakistan cut off the pipelines up that way and Iran cut off the pipelines thier way. Greed they wanted part of the action. Iran was also making accusations that Iraq was using chemical warfare against thier troops. They all have common denominators which point to those involved. This has been on going with Iraq a long time. It was an embarrasment to America and to cover-up is a natural human process. Bottom line is when Iraq invaded Kuwait they were looking for an alternative route to port the war so they were guilty of corruption. But they had backers and Saddam needed to be silenced before the real truth came out. Hence forth end of story, mission accomplished. Those involved will never tell so the real story went to the grave to forever leave us guessing. But you can bet those thier since Reagon took office no the truth. As to the 9-11 attacks. Bush's only crime was being the most ignorant president in the history of Usa. But now he has blood on his hands and not enough investigation was done to find the guilty of the 9-11 attacks. He went into Iraq with misguided information. But I'm sure in the end those guilty will get thier proper justice. The hand and power of god is strong.
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#208 Consumer Comment

bush etc

AUTHOR: Paul - (U.S.A.)

Prices - with the sole exception of:

Lincoln - per Civil War
FDR - per depression & WWII
Nixon - per pricecontrols

No president in history can control energy prices like the democrats always try to claim.

As far as rippoff - Clintion & Carter both were bigger ripoffs - Especially Carter & Mondale since the helicopter crash was more their fault than the military - Military required 3 more months to prepare but were ordered to go too soon.

Plus the so called Clinton Surplus was actually leftover surplus that was a direct cause of Reagan policies..

Plus lets not forget that Clinton jobs were in reality fake 'workprogram' jobs that disappeared quickly.
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Liberals are afraid of truth

AUTHOR: Sarah - (U.S.A.)

I am a Republican (fully supporting President Bush). Oh, and I'm also not rich and white!

I didn't have a chance to read all the posts on this thread, but feel that there is something important to say.



To Ted in Dallas, you have to be kidding if you want us to watch something put out by the Communist News Network. That network is so full of liberals that there's no way to give news in a fair manner.

You said, "The Republicans went after Clinton for getting a little under the desk, that was none of anyone business." That became our business when he did that in the Oval Office. You'd be right if it had been done in the privacy of our own home. And, he made it worse by lying about it. Republicans didn't go after him. He behaved in an unacceptable manner in the Oval Office and received what he should have (though I think he should have been removed from office). Keep in mind that there were Democrats that sided with Republicans on this matter.

Michael Moore is a jackass as is evidenced in the following article:

"Sgt. Peter Damon, a National Guardsman from Middleborough, is asking for damages because of "loss of reputation, emotional distress, embarrassment, and personal humiliation," according to the lawsuit filed in Suffolk Superior Court last week.
Damon, 33, claims that Moore never asked for his consent to use a clip from an interview Damon did with NBC's "Nightly News."

He lost his arms when a tire on a Black Hawk helicopter exploded while he and another reservist were servicing the aircraft on the ground. Another reservist was killed in the explosion.

In his interview with NBC, Damon was asked about a new painkiller the military was using on wounded veterans. He claims in his lawsuit that the way Moore used the film clip in "Fahrenheit 9/11" - Moore's scathing 2004 documentary criticizing the Bush administration and the war in Iraq - makes him appear to "voice a complaint about the war effort" when he was actually complaining about "the excruciating type of pain" that comes with the injury he suffered.

In the movie, Damon is shown lying on a gurney, with his wounds bandaged. He says he feels likes he's "being crushed in a vise."

"But they (the painkillers) do a lot to help it," he says. "And they take a lot of the edge off of it."

Damon is shown shortly after U.S. Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., is speaking about the Bush administration and says, "You know, they say they're not leaving any veterans behind, but they're leaving all kinds of veterans behind."

Damon contends that Moore's positioning of the clip just after the congressman's comments makes him appear as if he feels like he was "left behind" by the Bush administration and the military.

In his lawsuit, Damon says he "agrees with and supports the President and the United States' war effort, and he was not left behind."

He said that, while at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center recovering from his wounds, he had surgery and physical therapy, learned to use prosthetics and live independently. He also said that Homes For Our Troops, a not-for-profit group, built him a house with handicapped accessibility.

"The work creates a substantially fictionalized and falsified implication as a wounded serviceman who was left behind when Plaintiff was not left behind but supported, financially and emotionally, by the active assistance of the President, the United States and his family, friends, acquaintances and community," Damon says in his lawsuit.

Moore did not immediately return calls seeking comment Wednesday. A message was left for Moore at a personal number in New York and with HarperCollins, publisher of Moore's 2002 book, "Stupid White Men...And Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation!"

A spokesman for Miramax Film Corp., also named as a defendant, did not immediately return a call.


Damon did not immediately respond to a request for an interview.
"It's upsetting to him because he's lived his life supportive of his government, he's been a patriot, he's been a soldier, and he's now being portrayed in a movie that is the antithesis of all of that," Damon's lawyer, Dennis Lynch, said.

Damon is seeking $75 million in damages for emotional distress and loss of reputation. His wife is suing for an additional $10 million in damages because of the mental distress caused to her husband, Lynch said."

Last I heard, Hillary Clinton was pro-war in Iraq.

Terrorism has gotten more and more extreme. We're fighting now so that those of us that aren't Muslims won't be killed as infidels. All those Hollywood types are so anti-war and anti-Bush. They'd be among the first to go because of their immorality.

I'd be killed as an infidel, too because I won't deny my Christ. Think they wouldn't kill non-Muslims? They kill each other for being the wrong kind of Muslim.

One of the problems with liberals is that they are threatened by people with morals. President Bush may have had problems in his past with alcohol and that sort of thing. He has not kept it secret. He is also not keeping secret that he has been prayerful about this situation. Just because you liberals thing it's wrong to mention God doesn't mean that our President can't believe and pray to Him.

To James in Tupper Lake. I've read too many posts from your town to think you're not a few fries short of a happy meal.

To Sandra in Tampa. I appreciate the bravery of your son. It's people like him that keep our country safe.

I have tried to keep away from the name-calling that is so rampant in this thread, and belive me, there were plenty that came to mind. As has been mentioned before, bear in mind that nobody is perfect; even the President. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he's a bad president. In my humble opinion, he's the best one we've ever had.
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Liberals are afraid of truth

AUTHOR: Sarah - (U.S.A.)

I am a Republican (fully supporting President Bush). Oh, and I'm also not rich and white!

I didn't have a chance to read all the posts on this thread, but feel that there is something important to say.



To Ted in Dallas, you have to be kidding if you want us to watch something put out by the Communist News Network. That network is so full of liberals that there's no way to give news in a fair manner.

You said, "The Republicans went after Clinton for getting a little under the desk, that was none of anyone business." That became our business when he did that in the Oval Office. You'd be right if it had been done in the privacy of our own home. And, he made it worse by lying about it. Republicans didn't go after him. He behaved in an unacceptable manner in the Oval Office and received what he should have (though I think he should have been removed from office). Keep in mind that there were Democrats that sided with Republicans on this matter.

Michael Moore is a jackass as is evidenced in the following article:

"Sgt. Peter Damon, a National Guardsman from Middleborough, is asking for damages because of "loss of reputation, emotional distress, embarrassment, and personal humiliation," according to the lawsuit filed in Suffolk Superior Court last week.
Damon, 33, claims that Moore never asked for his consent to use a clip from an interview Damon did with NBC's "Nightly News."

He lost his arms when a tire on a Black Hawk helicopter exploded while he and another reservist were servicing the aircraft on the ground. Another reservist was killed in the explosion.

In his interview with NBC, Damon was asked about a new painkiller the military was using on wounded veterans. He claims in his lawsuit that the way Moore used the film clip in "Fahrenheit 9/11" - Moore's scathing 2004 documentary criticizing the Bush administration and the war in Iraq - makes him appear to "voice a complaint about the war effort" when he was actually complaining about "the excruciating type of pain" that comes with the injury he suffered.

In the movie, Damon is shown lying on a gurney, with his wounds bandaged. He says he feels likes he's "being crushed in a vise."

"But they (the painkillers) do a lot to help it," he says. "And they take a lot of the edge off of it."

Damon is shown shortly after U.S. Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., is speaking about the Bush administration and says, "You know, they say they're not leaving any veterans behind, but they're leaving all kinds of veterans behind."

Damon contends that Moore's positioning of the clip just after the congressman's comments makes him appear as if he feels like he was "left behind" by the Bush administration and the military.

In his lawsuit, Damon says he "agrees with and supports the President and the United States' war effort, and he was not left behind."

He said that, while at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center recovering from his wounds, he had surgery and physical therapy, learned to use prosthetics and live independently. He also said that Homes For Our Troops, a not-for-profit group, built him a house with handicapped accessibility.

"The work creates a substantially fictionalized and falsified implication as a wounded serviceman who was left behind when Plaintiff was not left behind but supported, financially and emotionally, by the active assistance of the President, the United States and his family, friends, acquaintances and community," Damon says in his lawsuit.

Moore did not immediately return calls seeking comment Wednesday. A message was left for Moore at a personal number in New York and with HarperCollins, publisher of Moore's 2002 book, "Stupid White Men...And Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation!"

A spokesman for Miramax Film Corp., also named as a defendant, did not immediately return a call.


Damon did not immediately respond to a request for an interview.
"It's upsetting to him because he's lived his life supportive of his government, he's been a patriot, he's been a soldier, and he's now being portrayed in a movie that is the antithesis of all of that," Damon's lawyer, Dennis Lynch, said.

Damon is seeking $75 million in damages for emotional distress and loss of reputation. His wife is suing for an additional $10 million in damages because of the mental distress caused to her husband, Lynch said."

Last I heard, Hillary Clinton was pro-war in Iraq.

Terrorism has gotten more and more extreme. We're fighting now so that those of us that aren't Muslims won't be killed as infidels. All those Hollywood types are so anti-war and anti-Bush. They'd be among the first to go because of their immorality.

I'd be killed as an infidel, too because I won't deny my Christ. Think they wouldn't kill non-Muslims? They kill each other for being the wrong kind of Muslim.

One of the problems with liberals is that they are threatened by people with morals. President Bush may have had problems in his past with alcohol and that sort of thing. He has not kept it secret. He is also not keeping secret that he has been prayerful about this situation. Just because you liberals thing it's wrong to mention God doesn't mean that our President can't believe and pray to Him.

To James in Tupper Lake. I've read too many posts from your town to think you're not a few fries short of a happy meal.

To Sandra in Tampa. I appreciate the bravery of your son. It's people like him that keep our country safe.

I have tried to keep away from the name-calling that is so rampant in this thread, and belive me, there were plenty that came to mind. As has been mentioned before, bear in mind that nobody is perfect; even the President. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he's a bad president. In my humble opinion, he's the best one we've ever had.
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Liberals are afraid of truth

AUTHOR: Sarah - (U.S.A.)

I am a Republican (fully supporting President Bush). Oh, and I'm also not rich and white!

I didn't have a chance to read all the posts on this thread, but feel that there is something important to say.



To Ted in Dallas, you have to be kidding if you want us to watch something put out by the Communist News Network. That network is so full of liberals that there's no way to give news in a fair manner.

You said, "The Republicans went after Clinton for getting a little under the desk, that was none of anyone business." That became our business when he did that in the Oval Office. You'd be right if it had been done in the privacy of our own home. And, he made it worse by lying about it. Republicans didn't go after him. He behaved in an unacceptable manner in the Oval Office and received what he should have (though I think he should have been removed from office). Keep in mind that there were Democrats that sided with Republicans on this matter.

Michael Moore is a jackass as is evidenced in the following article:

"Sgt. Peter Damon, a National Guardsman from Middleborough, is asking for damages because of "loss of reputation, emotional distress, embarrassment, and personal humiliation," according to the lawsuit filed in Suffolk Superior Court last week.
Damon, 33, claims that Moore never asked for his consent to use a clip from an interview Damon did with NBC's "Nightly News."

He lost his arms when a tire on a Black Hawk helicopter exploded while he and another reservist were servicing the aircraft on the ground. Another reservist was killed in the explosion.

In his interview with NBC, Damon was asked about a new painkiller the military was using on wounded veterans. He claims in his lawsuit that the way Moore used the film clip in "Fahrenheit 9/11" - Moore's scathing 2004 documentary criticizing the Bush administration and the war in Iraq - makes him appear to "voice a complaint about the war effort" when he was actually complaining about "the excruciating type of pain" that comes with the injury he suffered.

In the movie, Damon is shown lying on a gurney, with his wounds bandaged. He says he feels likes he's "being crushed in a vise."

"But they (the painkillers) do a lot to help it," he says. "And they take a lot of the edge off of it."

Damon is shown shortly after U.S. Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., is speaking about the Bush administration and says, "You know, they say they're not leaving any veterans behind, but they're leaving all kinds of veterans behind."

Damon contends that Moore's positioning of the clip just after the congressman's comments makes him appear as if he feels like he was "left behind" by the Bush administration and the military.

In his lawsuit, Damon says he "agrees with and supports the President and the United States' war effort, and he was not left behind."

He said that, while at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center recovering from his wounds, he had surgery and physical therapy, learned to use prosthetics and live independently. He also said that Homes For Our Troops, a not-for-profit group, built him a house with handicapped accessibility.

"The work creates a substantially fictionalized and falsified implication as a wounded serviceman who was left behind when Plaintiff was not left behind but supported, financially and emotionally, by the active assistance of the President, the United States and his family, friends, acquaintances and community," Damon says in his lawsuit.

Moore did not immediately return calls seeking comment Wednesday. A message was left for Moore at a personal number in New York and with HarperCollins, publisher of Moore's 2002 book, "Stupid White Men...And Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation!"

A spokesman for Miramax Film Corp., also named as a defendant, did not immediately return a call.


Damon did not immediately respond to a request for an interview.
"It's upsetting to him because he's lived his life supportive of his government, he's been a patriot, he's been a soldier, and he's now being portrayed in a movie that is the antithesis of all of that," Damon's lawyer, Dennis Lynch, said.

Damon is seeking $75 million in damages for emotional distress and loss of reputation. His wife is suing for an additional $10 million in damages because of the mental distress caused to her husband, Lynch said."

Last I heard, Hillary Clinton was pro-war in Iraq.

Terrorism has gotten more and more extreme. We're fighting now so that those of us that aren't Muslims won't be killed as infidels. All those Hollywood types are so anti-war and anti-Bush. They'd be among the first to go because of their immorality.

I'd be killed as an infidel, too because I won't deny my Christ. Think they wouldn't kill non-Muslims? They kill each other for being the wrong kind of Muslim.

One of the problems with liberals is that they are threatened by people with morals. President Bush may have had problems in his past with alcohol and that sort of thing. He has not kept it secret. He is also not keeping secret that he has been prayerful about this situation. Just because you liberals thing it's wrong to mention God doesn't mean that our President can't believe and pray to Him.

To James in Tupper Lake. I've read too many posts from your town to think you're not a few fries short of a happy meal.

To Sandra in Tampa. I appreciate the bravery of your son. It's people like him that keep our country safe.

I have tried to keep away from the name-calling that is so rampant in this thread, and belive me, there were plenty that came to mind. As has been mentioned before, bear in mind that nobody is perfect; even the President. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he's a bad president. In my humble opinion, he's the best one we've ever had.
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AUTHOR: Sarah - (U.S.A.)

I am a Republican (fully supporting President Bush). Oh, and I'm also not rich and white!

I didn't have a chance to read all the posts on this thread, but feel that there is something important to say.



To Ted in Dallas, you have to be kidding if you want us to watch something put out by the Communist News Network. That network is so full of liberals that there's no way to give news in a fair manner.

You said, "The Republicans went after Clinton for getting a little under the desk, that was none of anyone business." That became our business when he did that in the Oval Office. You'd be right if it had been done in the privacy of our own home. And, he made it worse by lying about it. Republicans didn't go after him. He behaved in an unacceptable manner in the Oval Office and received what he should have (though I think he should have been removed from office). Keep in mind that there were Democrats that sided with Republicans on this matter.

Michael Moore is a jackass as is evidenced in the following article:

"Sgt. Peter Damon, a National Guardsman from Middleborough, is asking for damages because of "loss of reputation, emotional distress, embarrassment, and personal humiliation," according to the lawsuit filed in Suffolk Superior Court last week.
Damon, 33, claims that Moore never asked for his consent to use a clip from an interview Damon did with NBC's "Nightly News."

He lost his arms when a tire on a Black Hawk helicopter exploded while he and another reservist were servicing the aircraft on the ground. Another reservist was killed in the explosion.

In his interview with NBC, Damon was asked about a new painkiller the military was using on wounded veterans. He claims in his lawsuit that the way Moore used the film clip in "Fahrenheit 9/11" - Moore's scathing 2004 documentary criticizing the Bush administration and the war in Iraq - makes him appear to "voice a complaint about the war effort" when he was actually complaining about "the excruciating type of pain" that comes with the injury he suffered.

In the movie, Damon is shown lying on a gurney, with his wounds bandaged. He says he feels likes he's "being crushed in a vise."

"But they (the painkillers) do a lot to help it," he says. "And they take a lot of the edge off of it."

Damon is shown shortly after U.S. Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., is speaking about the Bush administration and says, "You know, they say they're not leaving any veterans behind, but they're leaving all kinds of veterans behind."

Damon contends that Moore's positioning of the clip just after the congressman's comments makes him appear as if he feels like he was "left behind" by the Bush administration and the military.

In his lawsuit, Damon says he "agrees with and supports the President and the United States' war effort, and he was not left behind."

He said that, while at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center recovering from his wounds, he had surgery and physical therapy, learned to use prosthetics and live independently. He also said that Homes For Our Troops, a not-for-profit group, built him a house with handicapped accessibility.

"The work creates a substantially fictionalized and falsified implication as a wounded serviceman who was left behind when Plaintiff was not left behind but supported, financially and emotionally, by the active assistance of the President, the United States and his family, friends, acquaintances and community," Damon says in his lawsuit.

Moore did not immediately return calls seeking comment Wednesday. A message was left for Moore at a personal number in New York and with HarperCollins, publisher of Moore's 2002 book, "Stupid White Men...And Other Sorry Excuses for the State of the Nation!"

A spokesman for Miramax Film Corp., also named as a defendant, did not immediately return a call.


Damon did not immediately respond to a request for an interview.
"It's upsetting to him because he's lived his life supportive of his government, he's been a patriot, he's been a soldier, and he's now being portrayed in a movie that is the antithesis of all of that," Damon's lawyer, Dennis Lynch, said.

Damon is seeking $75 million in damages for emotional distress and loss of reputation. His wife is suing for an additional $10 million in damages because of the mental distress caused to her husband, Lynch said."

Last I heard, Hillary Clinton was pro-war in Iraq.

Terrorism has gotten more and more extreme. We're fighting now so that those of us that aren't Muslims won't be killed as infidels. All those Hollywood types are so anti-war and anti-Bush. They'd be among the first to go because of their immorality.

I'd be killed as an infidel, too because I won't deny my Christ. Think they wouldn't kill non-Muslims? They kill each other for being the wrong kind of Muslim.

One of the problems with liberals is that they are threatened by people with morals. President Bush may have had problems in his past with alcohol and that sort of thing. He has not kept it secret. He is also not keeping secret that he has been prayerful about this situation. Just because you liberals thing it's wrong to mention God doesn't mean that our President can't believe and pray to Him.

To James in Tupper Lake. I've read too many posts from your town to think you're not a few fries short of a happy meal.

To Sandra in Tampa. I appreciate the bravery of your son. It's people like him that keep our country safe.

I have tried to keep away from the name-calling that is so rampant in this thread, and belive me, there were plenty that came to mind. As has been mentioned before, bear in mind that nobody is perfect; even the President. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean he's a bad president. In my humble opinion, he's the best one we've ever had.
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AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

The reason you are not hearing from the REPUBS is because they are letting the Democrats hang themselves. Namcy Pelosi is already contradicting herself and she isn't even in control yet.

She says they will not pursue impeachment yet other Democrats say they will. She says she will implement ALL the 9-11 commission findings - Now maybe not.

She says this will be the most ethical congress ever and then nominates John Murtha and Alcie Hastings for committee positions.

The republicans can stay quiet and watch because the Dems are going to do it to themselves.
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Where are all the republicans now??

AUTHOR: Katherine - (U.S.A.)

I find it so hysterical, now that the November 7th elections are over and the people have screamed "NO MORE", where are all of the high and mighty republicans? I have scanned through all the bull crap posted here from the past year or so and I can only laugh that the last responses from these loud mouth losers are absent since 11/7! Vote out as many incumbents as we can from here on out.

The one thing that is still amazing to me that a crook like William Jefferson, D-LA can win a re-election after being under federal investigation for over a year, yet re-elected. Even though we all KNOW who re-elected him and they are NOT the working people of the New Orleans area. They are the ones with their hands out. What a croc. Signed, Still Embarrassed to be from Louisiana and hoping to do better...
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Where are all the republicans now??

AUTHOR: Katherine - (U.S.A.)

I find it so hysterical, now that the November 7th elections are over and the people have screamed "NO MORE", where are all of the high and mighty republicans? I have scanned through all the bull crap posted here from the past year or so and I can only laugh that the last responses from these loud mouth losers are absent since 11/7! Vote out as many incumbents as we can from here on out.

The one thing that is still amazing to me that a crook like William Jefferson, D-LA can win a re-election after being under federal investigation for over a year, yet re-elected. Even though we all KNOW who re-elected him and they are NOT the working people of the New Orleans area. They are the ones with their hands out. What a croc. Signed, Still Embarrassed to be from Louisiana and hoping to do better...
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Where are all the republicans now??

AUTHOR: Katherine - (U.S.A.)

I find it so hysterical, now that the November 7th elections are over and the people have screamed "NO MORE", where are all of the high and mighty republicans? I have scanned through all the bull crap posted here from the past year or so and I can only laugh that the last responses from these loud mouth losers are absent since 11/7! Vote out as many incumbents as we can from here on out.

The one thing that is still amazing to me that a crook like William Jefferson, D-LA can win a re-election after being under federal investigation for over a year, yet re-elected. Even though we all KNOW who re-elected him and they are NOT the working people of the New Orleans area. They are the ones with their hands out. What a croc. Signed, Still Embarrassed to be from Louisiana and hoping to do better...
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Where are all the republicans now??

AUTHOR: Katherine - (U.S.A.)

I find it so hysterical, now that the November 7th elections are over and the people have screamed "NO MORE", where are all of the high and mighty republicans? I have scanned through all the bull crap posted here from the past year or so and I can only laugh that the last responses from these loud mouth losers are absent since 11/7! Vote out as many incumbents as we can from here on out.

The one thing that is still amazing to me that a crook like William Jefferson, D-LA can win a re-election after being under federal investigation for over a year, yet re-elected. Even though we all KNOW who re-elected him and they are NOT the working people of the New Orleans area. They are the ones with their hands out. What a croc. Signed, Still Embarrassed to be from Louisiana and hoping to do better...
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Richard Nixon, The Sequel! Don't like it? Vote! I did...

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

Probably a lot of people who responded to this weren't even born when Richard M. Nixon " Tricky d**k" Nixon was President.

I wouldn't have responded to this because as far as I am concerned ALL POLITICIANS LIE and Democrats and Republicans are just two different LABELS for the SAME vial of poison!

Nixon had George H.W. Bush as his CIA director and we all know what the CIA is famous for...

Even back then, they had their fascist dreams of a NEW WORLD ORDER or ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT. Check it out!

And from Infoplease, here is a little background on one of the most evil men to ever hold a public office:

"Running for Congress in California as a Republican in 1946, Nixon defeated Rep. Jerry Voorhis. As a member of the House Un-American Activities Committee, he made a name as an investigator of Alger Hiss, a former high State Department official, who was later jailed for perjury. In 1950, Nixon defeated Rep. Helen Gahagan Douglas, a Democrat, for the Senate. He was criticized for portraying her as a Communist dupe.

(THIS RED SCARE WAS FOMENTED BY A SENATOR McCARTHY WHO HAD HIS OWN AGENDA! GOOGLE HIM AND SEE HOW REPUTABLE HE WAS!)

"Nixon's anti-Communism ideals, his Western roots, and his youth figured into his selection in 1952 to run for vice president on the ticket headed by Dwight D. Eisenhower. Demands for Nixon's withdrawal followed disclosure that California "businessmen" ( I UNDERSTAND THESE WERE MEMBERS OF VARIOUS ORGANIZED CRIME GROUPS AND UNDERWRITERS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER!) had paid some of his Senate office expenses. His televised rebuttal, known as the Checkers speech (named for a cocker spaniel given to the Nixons), brought him support from the public and from Eisenhower.( IRONIC, BECAUSE HE LIED LIKE A DOG BUT THAT NIXON ********AWAYS DID!) The ticket won easily in 1952 and again in 1956.

Eisenhower gave Nixon substantive assignments, including missions to 56 countries. In Moscow in 1959, Nixon won acclaim for his defense of U.S. interests in an impromptu kitchen debate with Soviet premier Nikita S. Khrushchev. ( HE HOOKED UP WITH THE KGB AND MADE CONNECTIONS WITH THE RUSSIAN 'MAFIA' TOO. HE WAS WORSE THAN ANYTHING CLINTON WAS ALLEGED TO HAVE DONE DURING HIS DAYS IN THE USSR!)

Nixon lost the 1960 race for the presidency to John F. Kennedy. ( NIXON DROPPED THE BALL ON A DEAL HE ALLEGEDLY MADE WITH A GROUP OF "BUSINESSMEN" IN CHICAGO, ILLINOIS SO THEY WENT WITH JOE KENNEDY SR.'S DEAL INSTEAD AND THAT"S THE REAL STORY OF WHAT DECIDED THAT CLOSE ELECTION.)

In 1962, Nixon failed in a bid for California's governorship and seemed to be finished as a national candidate. He became a Wall Street lawyer, but kept his " old party ties" and developed "new ones" through constant travels to speak for Republicans.
( EVERYBODY THOUGHT THAT HITLER WAS FINISHED AS A POLITICIAN TOO WHEN HIS BEERHALL PUTSCH IN MUNICH FAILED BUT THEY THOUGHT WRONG! I WONDER IF THE SAME PEOPLE WHO FINANCED HITLER --AND SOME VERY INTERESTING REVELATIONS THAT TURNED OUT TO BE --WERE THE SAME INTERNATIONAL BANKSTERS AND FINANCIAL INTERESTS WHO BACKED NIXON YEARS LATER....)

Nixon won the 1968 Republican presidential nomination after a shrewd primary campaign, then made Gov. Spiro T. Agnew of Maryland his surprise choice for vice president. In the election, they "edged out" the Democratic ticket headed by Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey by 510,314 votes out of 73,212,065 cast.
(WITH SUBSTANTIAL BACKING FROM ORGANIZED CRIME AND A LOT OF CROOKED BALLOT BOX RIGGING!)

Committed to winding down the U.S. role in the Vietnamese War, Nixon pursued Vietnamizationtraining and equipping South Vietnamese to do their own fighting. American ground combat forces in Vietnam fell steadily from 540,000 when Nixon took office to none in 1973 when the military draft was ended. But there was heavy continuing use of U.S. air power. ( AND MANY POWS WERE LEFT BEHIND IN VIETNAM AND DIED IN CAPTIVITY! STILL THERE TODAY!)

Nixon improved relations with Moscow and reopened the long-closed door to mainland China ( SO THAT THE NEW WORLD ORDER COULD USE THEIR SLAVE LABOR FOR THE INTERNATIONAL CORPORATIONS AND TAKE CHEAP ORGANS FROM PRISONERS FOR TRANSPLANTS!) with "a good-will trip" there in Feb. 1972. In May of that same year, he visited Moscow and signed agreements on arms limitation and trade expansion and approved plans for a joint U.S.Soviet space mission in 1975.

Inflation was a campaign issue for Nixon, but he failed to master it as president. On Aug. 15, 1971, with unemployment edging up, Nixon abruptly announced a new economic policy: a 90-day wage-price freeze, stimulative tax cuts, a temporary 10% tariff, and spending cuts. A second phase, imposing guidelines on wage, price, and rent boosts, was announced Oct. 7.
( THE UNEMPLOYMENT WAS SO BAD THEY HAD TO USE PRICE CONTROLS OR THIS ENTIRE US ECONOMY WOULD HAVE COLLAPSED, AT LEAST THE ECONOMY IN SOME OF THE SOUTHERN UNITED STATES WOULD HAVE.NIXON WAS SO BUSY MINDING THE STORE FOR HIS NEW WORLD ORDER MASTERS THAT HE TOTALLY FAILED TO TAKE CARE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THE ECONOMIC MATTERS THAT MATTER MOST --JOBS, HOMES, AFFORDABLE GASOLINE AND MAINTAINING A GOOD STANDARD OF LIVING! YOU WOULDN'T BELIEVE HOW BAD IT WAS IN SOME PLACES!)

The economy responded" in time for the 1972 campaign," in which Nixon played up his foreign-policy achievements. Played down was the burglary on June 17, 1972, of Democratic national headquarters in the Watergate apartment complex in Washington. The NixonAgnew reelection campaign cost a record $60 million and swamped the Democratic ticket headed by Sen. George McGovern of South Dakota with a plurality of 17,999,528 out of 77,718,554 votes. Only Massachusetts, with 14 electoral votes, and the District of Columbia, with 3, went for McGovern.
( THE DEMOCRATS WEREN'T THE ONLY PEOPLE HE WAS SYING ON. HE WAS USING ALL SORTS OF AGENCIES TO SPY ON THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. HE LET THE FBI AND CIA SEND IN AGENT PROVACATEURS TO THE ANTI WAR DEMONSTRATIONS TO CAUSE VIOLENCE AND TROUBLE AND TO GET THE NAMES OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE REALLY AGAINST THE WAR AND MAKE SURE THEY WERE BLACKLISTED FOR EMPLOYMENT,ETC. BY PUTTING ALL SORTS OF LIES IN FBI FILES. HE WAS A TYRANT AND HE WIPES HIS BUTT ON THE US CONSITUTION. HE DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH SPYING ON THE DEMOCRATS BECAUSE IT PROBABLY PROVES MY CONTENTION THAT THEY ARE FOR THE SAME THING AS REPUBLICANS, JUST DIFFERENT LABELS. SO HE WAS SPYING ON MORE PEOPLE JUST LIKE HIM!)

In Jan. 1973, hints of a cover-up emerged at the trial of six men found guilty of the Watergate burglary. With a Senate investigation under way, Nixon announced on April 30 the resignations of his top aides, H. R. Haldeman and John D. Ehrlichman, and the dismissal of White House counsel John Dean III. Dean was the star witness at televised Senate hearings that exposed both a White House cover-up of Watergate and massive illegalities in Republican fund-raising in 1972.

The hearings also disclosed that Nixon had routinely tape-recorded his office meetings and telephone conversations.

On Oct. 10, 1973, Agnew resigned as vice president, then pleaded no-contest to a negotiated federal charge of evading income taxes on alleged bribes. Two days later, Nixon nominated the House minority leader, Rep. Gerald R. Ford of Michigan, as the new vice president. Congress confirmed Ford on Dec. 6, 1973.
(AGNEW WAS IN WITH THE ORGANIZED CRIME FAMILIES ON THE EAST COAST! HE WAS ALWAYS DIRTY. WAS GERALD FORD IN WITH THE DETROIT ORGANIZED CRIME FAMILY ALSO? CHECK IT OUT.)

In June 1974, Nixon visited Israel and four Arab nations. Then he met in Moscow with Soviet leader Leonid I. Brezhnev and reached preliminary nuclear arms limitation agreements.

But, in the month after his return, Watergate ended the Nixon regime. On July 24 the Supreme Court ordered Nixon to surrender subpoenaed tapes. On July 30, the Judiciary Committee referred three impeachment articles to the full membership. On Aug. 5, Nixon bowed to the Supreme Court and released tapes showing he halted an FBI probe of the Watergate burglary six days after it occurred. It was in effect an admission of obstruction of justice, and impeachment appeared inevitable.

Nixon resigned on Aug. 9, 1974, the first president ever to do so. A month later, President Ford issued an unconditional pardon for any offenses Nixon might have committed as president, thus forestalling possible prosecution.

( THEY HAD TO GET RID OF HIM BECAUSE HE WAS WORKING TO ELIMINATE OUR NATIONAL SOVEREIGNITY AND MAKE US A PART OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER! GEORGE H.W. BUSH -- WHO IS RELATED TO THE BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY --- AND HENRY KISSINGER, A JEWISH n**i, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, RICHARD CHENEY () OUR PRESENT VICE PRESIDENT) AND A FEW OTHER FAMILIAR FACES THAT ARE APPEARING IN THE PRESENT BUSH CABINET ALSO PLAYED A HUGE PART IN THIS MONSTER'S PRESIDENCY. THIS MAN WAS PLOTTING AGAINST OUR COUNTRY, OUR VERY WAY OF LIFE! HE WAS NOTHING BUT A CRIMINAL AND HE HAD TO GO! NOTICE THE DIRTY DEALING WHEN PRESIDENT FORD PARDONED HIM!!)

He died on April 22, 1994, in New York City of a massive stroke.

WHY DIDN'T HE STAY IN CA IF THEY LOVED HIM SO MUCH BACK THERE?

THE MAN WAS WANTING TO BE ANOTHER HITLER-- OR THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BACK THEN!

Cabinet Members Under Nixon
Secretary of State
William P. Rogers, 1969
Henry A. Kissinger, 1973
Secretary of the Treasury
David M. Kennedy, 1969
John B. Connally, 1971
George P. Shultz, 1972
William E. Simon, 1974
Secretary of Defense
Melvin R. Laird, 1969
Elliot L. Richardson, 1973
James R. Schlesinger, 1973
Attorney General
John N. Mitchell, 1969 ( HUGE CROOK!)
Richard G. Kleindienst, 1972
Elliot L. Richardson, 1973
William B. Saxbe, 1974
Postmaster General
William M. Blount, 1969
Secretary of the Interior
Walter J. Hickel, 1969
Rogers C. B. Morton, 1971
Secretary of Agriculture
Clifford M. Hardin, 1969
Earl L. Butz, 1971
Secretary of Commerce
Maurice H. Stans, 1969
Peter G. Peterson, 1972
Frederick B. Dent, 1973
Secretary of Labor
George P. Shultz, 1969
James D. Hodgson, 1970
Peter J. Brennan, 1973
Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare Robert H. Finch, 1969
Elliot L. Richardson, 1970
Caspar W. Weinberger, 1973
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development George Romney, 1969
James T. Lynn, 1973
Secretary of Transportation
John A. Volpe, 1969
Claude S. Brinegar, 1973

GOOGLE THESE NAMES AND DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS!
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#219 Consumer Comment

This is the funniest quote ever

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"There is nothing in them that can be reasonably disputed."

From the guy who believes the USA provided Germany's weapons during WW2, and that U-Boats operated in the Great Lakes.

Keep up the good work James. You make my day complete.
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#220 Consumer Comment

This is the funniest quote ever

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"There is nothing in them that can be reasonably disputed."

From the guy who believes the USA provided Germany's weapons during WW2, and that U-Boats operated in the Great Lakes.

Keep up the good work James. You make my day complete.
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#221 Consumer Comment

This is the funniest quote ever

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"There is nothing in them that can be reasonably disputed."

From the guy who believes the USA provided Germany's weapons during WW2, and that U-Boats operated in the Great Lakes.

Keep up the good work James. You make my day complete.
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#222 Consumer Comment

This is the funniest quote ever

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"There is nothing in them that can be reasonably disputed."

From the guy who believes the USA provided Germany's weapons during WW2, and that U-Boats operated in the Great Lakes.

Keep up the good work James. You make my day complete.
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#223 Consumer Suggestion

People are watching the Movies

AUTHOR: Jim - (Canada)

The Polls say that most Americans biggest issue is "Corruption". The Movies are making headway. Effect!

Google Search People:

911 Mysteries

Terror Storm

See how you have been conned! There is nothing in them that can be reasonably disputed.
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#224 Consumer Comment

To our friend up north.

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

Jim,

Do you believe everything you read on the internet? If so, then you are more naive than you claim us to be. To think that any sitting President would orchestrate something such as 9/11 simply for his own personal gain is just ludicrous. Do you really think GWB would risk being found out about murdering over 3000 innocent civilians just to turn a buck, or oust a dictator? I seriously doubt it. I'm sure most of those "movies" are just like the crap from Michael Mooron. All they are intended to do is stir up trouble.

Why not just go back to the GC&T reports? I'd love to continue to prove you wrong on those reports. Or did Craig fire you for your comments?
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#225 Consumer Comment

Talk about a waste...

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"Anyone who would want to twist Kerry's words in any way to be "putting down the troops" is not worth my time to listen to them!

Talking about "twisting peoples words"!"

Uh huh. Let's go to the transcript...

-"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don't, you get stuck in Iraq."-John Kerry

This is just more of the same, from the Senator. In reality, he simply said what most Democraps truly believe. He's been on a tangent against the US Military for the past 35 years. Words have meanings, and this guy knew what he was saying.

He claims it was a "botched joke" about the President's intelligence. Okay, where's the joke? Bush went to Yale, and then The Harvard School of Business. He got a BA in History, and an MBA. John Kerry got a BA in Poli-Sci. Ask anyone, a BA in Poli-Sci is one step up from a Phys Ed degree. Show up at all, and you pass.

President Bush held a more difficult class schedule, and was a "C" student. Kerry took an easier class schedule, and was a"D" student. Bush scored higher on his SAT's, and has a much better education, than Kerry.

So, those being the FACTS of this case, where is the joke?

I cannot wait for tomorrow's results. Will you promise to go away if the Democraps don't win big? For the record, the House has always averaged a 29 seat LOSS during the 6th year election of a sitting two-term President, since FDR took office. Even the Democraps don't plan on gaining that many seats. I wonder why?

Ask John Kerry.
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#226 Consumer Suggestion

It is not Democrat Verses Republican!

AUTHOR: Jim - (Canada)

This has nothing to do with Democrat verses Republican & I wish you guys would wake up & see that!

It has to deal with a conn! A conn on 911 & something you gobbled up to get you to fight in the Middle East!

This is all crap! Totally crap that has no essence & no reality backing it up!

Saddam never had WMD's & he never killed 600,000 innocent Iraqi's!

The only WMD's he ever had were given to him by the USA to take out Iran! Saddam refused to take out Iran & that is where the trouble started!

I don't care less if the Editor here wants to take out my links to 911 Mysteries, that you can get on a google search anyway... or if he wants to take out my link to "Terror Storm" which you can also get on a Google search.

You Americans have been "ripped off"! Totally lied to! Go watch the videos! It is total crap you have been fed!

Now you can go "on & on" about Democrat & Republican... but neither party believes is outright lies & crap that you have swallowed!

It's all right here on the internet! Just do a google search & look! Screw your Left or Right frame of mind & who might be the person in that pigeon hole... Democrat or Republican... you have been conned!

911 was an inside job! There is more evidence that it was than you could possibly point to that it wasn't & the fact is that it is all there for you to see on a "google search"!

Movies! Full Length Movies for free. Start with 911 Mysteries & then go on! They are all easy to see.

From that to "Loose Change" to "Terror Storm" you can see it all for free by going to Google & typing in that heading.

All there from YouTube to Google Videos... it is all there for you to see before you vote!

You have been conned! Plain & simple! You have been "ripped off" & go see the truth!

Please do it before you vote!
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#227 Consumer Comment

Go back to the Asylum

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"These idiots are picking out pieces of crap that have nothing to do with the issue, but they hang on that as "their fact"!

Like when you spun this thread into WW2 conspiracy theory nonsense? Like when you changed the subject every time your "facts" were flamed as idiocy?

"They can call you "Canadian" or they can dispute n**i Subs destroying Canadian supply ships to Britain during WWII."

Again, NOBODY disputed that. We pointed out you were WRONG about U-Boats operating within the Great Lakes. In order to do that amazing feat, either a COASTAL boat would have had to make a cross-Atlantic voyage(impossible), or the boat would have to remain surfaced for days at a time in plain view of everyone going up the river(also impossible). The mere fact that NO U-Boat EVER operated within the Lakes, should suffice, but not according to your Kook Fringe Conspiracy Theory.

"They can dispute WMD's & the like, & they have no real issue when dealing with what we know now... like:


9/11 Mysteries (video)

Loose Change, 2nd Edition (Recut)

9/11: A Conversation with Jim Fetzer (video)"

More of the same. You find a few lunatics that make idiotic claims, with no real evidence, and you decide they are correct, while hard evidence is obviously wrong.

It would be funny, if it wasn't so sad. I suppose it's a good thing you live in Canaduh. Down here, you'd be eaten alive by everyone from the age of 5, and up.
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#228 Consumer Comment

Not a GWB fan, but I must say...

AUTHOR: Damon - (U.S.A.)

...I do commend him on his persistence to find and capture Saddam Hussein. Although our country has been polarized on many issues, I think we all can sit back and enjoy the justice served in the sentencing of this evil animal. Within 30 days I hope we can rejoice in this coward's hanging (in hopes they deny his request for a firing squad). Michael, I like your entry. Clinton is too full of himself to even begin to tell any truth. Imagine if our judicial system laid down executions this fast, would we have to relinquish our hard earned money to build more prisons? Saddam ROT IN HELL!!!

Truly,

GOD BLESSES!!!
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#229 Consumer Comment

Wow

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

Ok I have been listening to this same mindless drivel for the last 6 years more or less and a few thinks though many haven't mentioned because they were the bigger men I will point out at least one because I am tired of all the Bill Clinton hero worship on this thing and saying that he tryed to have him killed realy anoyed me. President Clinton within the year before the election had the chance to have Osama in custody he was offered him on a silver platter by a small country that had captured him and offered him up... However clinton said to let him go because he didn't want to deal with the extradition when he would be out of office in just a few months witch ever way the election went. Do I think Bush is the best president in the last 30 years no not in the least however he is a better choice than what else we had up. Second I understand completly why the American people reelected him myself included Once we were in the war it was best to keep the defence the same. just like in any battle. It is clasic stratigy straight out of the art of war. Which way will I vote in the next election ... that is hard to say I will vote for whoever I think is the better canadate. Who knows Maby I will even vote for Hilliary...Yea right lol the other choice would have to look REAL BAD lol. I know how she got elected in the first place and I was not happy with it. But that is neither here nor there. But in my Opinion I wish we had given Bill the office he wanted in the first place and that Hillary had been visiting him in his office on 9/11/01 I think we in NY would have been better off but oh well coulda shoulda woulda. I do not like to ramble and I have been rambling long enough now so I wish you all well.
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#230 Consumer Suggestion

Charles... you have it right!

AUTHOR: Jim - (Canada)

Isn't it nice Charles when you can come back over a year later & prove all the things you said?

These idiots are picking out pieces of crap that have nothing to do with the issue, but they hang on that as "their fact"!

They speak nothing "over a year later" about how they were right, as they were not so.

They pick on stuff that has nothing to do with the issue, as they have no disputes.

They can call you "Canadian" or they can dispute n**i Subs destroying Canadian supply ships to Britain during WWII. They can dispute WMD's & the like, & they have no real issue when dealing with what we know now... like:


9/11 Mysteries (video)

Loose Change, 2nd Edition (Recut)

9/11: A Conversation with Jim Fetzer (video)

Yet what they will do is to pick up on where you work or what you do & if they can find you in any way to be mistaken & then they will whitewash it all with their philosophy... which makes no sense in the first place... over a year ago & way more less now.
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#231 Consumer Suggestion

Charles... you have it right!

AUTHOR: Jim - (Canada)

Isn't it nice Charles when you can come back over a year later & prove all the things you said?

These idiots are picking out pieces of crap that have nothing to do with the issue, but they hang on that as "their fact"!

They speak nothing "over a year later" about how they were right, as they were not so.

They pick on stuff that has nothing to do with the issue, as they have no disputes.

They can call you "Canadian" or they can dispute n**i Subs destroying Canadian supply ships to Britain during WWII. They can dispute WMD's & the like, & they have no real issue when dealing with what we know now... like:


9/11 Mysteries (video)

Loose Change, 2nd Edition (Recut)

9/11: A Conversation with Jim Fetzer (video)

Yet what they will do is to pick up on where you work or what you do & if they can find you in any way to be mistaken & then they will whitewash it all with their philosophy... which makes no sense in the first place... over a year ago & way more less now.
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#232 Consumer Suggestion

Charles... you have it right!

AUTHOR: Jim - (Canada)

Isn't it nice Charles when you can come back over a year later & prove all the things you said?

These idiots are picking out pieces of crap that have nothing to do with the issue, but they hang on that as "their fact"!

They speak nothing "over a year later" about how they were right, as they were not so.

They pick on stuff that has nothing to do with the issue, as they have no disputes.

They can call you "Canadian" or they can dispute n**i Subs destroying Canadian supply ships to Britain during WWII. They can dispute WMD's & the like, & they have no real issue when dealing with what we know now... like:


9/11 Mysteries (video)

Loose Change, 2nd Edition (Recut)

9/11: A Conversation with Jim Fetzer (video)

Yet what they will do is to pick up on where you work or what you do & if they can find you in any way to be mistaken & then they will whitewash it all with their philosophy... which makes no sense in the first place... over a year ago & way more less now.
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#233 Consumer Suggestion

Charles I have to agree with you!

AUTHOR: Jim - (Canada)

Charles;

Anyone who would want to twist Kerry's words in any way to be "putting down the troops" is not worth my time to listen to them!

Talking about "twisting peoples words"! Now I am no great fan of Kerry. I am no great fan of Alex Jones either!

Yet both of them make points. If I am not mistaken, Alex Jones is Republican & I have issues with him!

Yet I am not Republican, but Conservative. I do not agree with all Democrats say. Yet I do know for sure what I do not agree with about some Republicans say like Robert... or...

I do share a video made by Alex Jones in my blogs...
He does have points more than I can dis- agree with:

I may agree with him on some of the things he says & this video is one that I agree mostly with.
(( link redacted by ROR))

I do not agree fully with Alex Jones. I don't believe a "One World Government" is achievable in this generations lifetime.

I don't believe Free Trade in North America is a bad thing, but more the reverse.

I don't believe that putting up video cameras in "high crime area's" does anything but lower crime in those area's.

I don't believe that arming everyone in the USA is a good thing. Instead I believe the reason why the USA has the highest murder rate in the World is because of the amount of the available & legal, along with illegal guns the populace has at their disposal.

Some people "in my opinion" go off the deep end. Yet I do see some truth in what he says, & this thing on 911 is just part of it.

Yet if everyone went along with Alex Jones, nobody would pay income tax, nor would they obey speed limits, everyone would carry guns & we would have total anarchy.

Now I do believe that people should not be hypocrites. I don't believe you should join the Armed Forces & kill innocent Iraqi's if they understand the basis for the war is completely a conn.

I don't believe that people should keep their jobs in Government, or in the Police Force if they understand that they are contributing to a cover up.

I think teachers in schools should be able to teach both sides of topics. I believe that there should be a separation between Church & State. I think there are more important things we should all be concentrating on like "Global Warming" as being our biggest threat of the future.

Yet the Movie "Terror Storm" does bring out a lot of the truth. Some of the things brought out are very much true. I know that 911 was a farce, as it should be obvious. I don't believe Al Qaeda would find it in their interest to hijack a bunch of planes using liquid explosives & blow them up on their way to the USA with people from all over the World in them. I don't believe Saddam was just some "Evil Tyrant" who was a threat to anyone, even comparable to George Bush.

Somewhere there must be a "middle ground". Not the ground where we believe all Government is bad. Not the ground where we believe that everything is a Conspiracy. Not the ground where we are afraid to drink water because it is fluoridated. Not the ground where Wicca is filled with evil Witches who rip children's hearts out.

Yet also not the ground where we should all believe our Government as if it is part of the hand of God. Not the ground where we all should be Patriotic & against the new "evil" today which might be Communism, or World Terrorism.

In my mind, you should be content to allow people to live different lifestyles on their own land. Your Country has laws that you agree with & some you don't... well fine. Try to change the ones you don't like & keep the ones you do. Yet when you cross the line is where you go involve yourself in the laws of other Countries & attempt to force your culture on others.

As Jesus said "Remove the splinter out of your eye, before you remove the log from someone else's".

As far as I am concerned, the West has no right to be involved in the Middle East, other than for trade reasons, but not to control. I don't think any form of thinking or any Religion has all the answers or more than just a few of some. I think we need more acceptance of other cultures & less judging going on, except for with things that directly involve us in our own towns & cities.
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#234 Consumer Comment

When republicans ask for your vote just say no

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

When, republicans ask for your vote on 11/07/2006 just say NO! I will not let what happen what republicans said about kerrys comments monday sway me from voting democrat!. Republicans, have been doing this 6 long years its time to say no to them!. I, just ignore republicans radio messages & I throw away their mail they send to me!, nobody can change my mind I will vote democrat on 11/07/2006, democrats will regain control don't let the republicans make you think different!.
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#235 Consumer Comment

When republicans ask for your vote just say no

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

When, republicans ask for your vote on 11/07/2006 just say NO! I will not let what happen what republicans said about kerrys comments monday sway me from voting democrat!. Republicans, have been doing this 6 long years its time to say no to them!. I, just ignore republicans radio messages & I throw away their mail they send to me!, nobody can change my mind I will vote democrat on 11/07/2006, democrats will regain control don't let the republicans make you think different!.
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#236 Consumer Comment

When republicans ask for your vote just say no

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

When, republicans ask for your vote on 11/07/2006 just say NO! I will not let what happen what republicans said about kerrys comments monday sway me from voting democrat!. Republicans, have been doing this 6 long years its time to say no to them!. I, just ignore republicans radio messages & I throw away their mail they send to me!, nobody can change my mind I will vote democrat on 11/07/2006, democrats will regain control don't let the republicans make you think different!.
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#237 Consumer Comment

When republicans ask for your vote just say no

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

When, republicans ask for your vote on 11/07/2006 just say NO! I will not let what happen what republicans said about kerrys comments monday sway me from voting democrat!. Republicans, have been doing this 6 long years its time to say no to them!. I, just ignore republicans radio messages & I throw away their mail they send to me!, nobody can change my mind I will vote democrat on 11/07/2006, democrats will regain control don't let the republicans make you think different!.
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#238 Consumer Suggestion

& so your point is?

AUTHOR: Jim - (Canada)

Patrick;

I don't see anything "Canadian" in the statement:

Terrorist attacks have happened "All over the World" since 911 in Countries who do allow the main stream media to report & if anyone wants an example of what does not get reported, I simply suggest you do a "google search" on 911 Mysteries to watch the Movie I mentioned to get a little taste.

I do see Canadians being affected by all of this in many ways. Do Canadians have to be "stupid enough" to fight by America's side when the whole war was about WMD's that never existed?

You agree with Robert because I am Canadian? Yes that sure makes sense Patrick. About as much sense as Robert makes thinking "Republican" equals Bush.

Hell Patrick... I actually cannot see anything in your post that is on subject at all. Can anyone else?

I hope people who would like to stay on subject will do a google search for 911 Mysteries & watch the movie. That should be on subject.
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#239 Consumer Comment

A couple comments on recent posts.

AUTHOR: Patrick - (U.S.A.)

Ben - Can you provide a source that says Canada has ever had committed troops in Iraq? Everything I saw says Canada refused to ever send troops to Iraq in support of the war effort. There were a few reports about mercenaries, and Canadian citizens serving in the US armed forces, but that was all I could find. SO, on this I agree with Robert. What right does Jim have to whine about the war?

Jim - Is this the same "James" who has posted to this report before? You know, the guy who works for Great Cars & Trucks? The guy who went on about n**i subs up the river in Canada? About how Canada had the first supersonic jet fighter? Well, how bout it Jimmy?
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#240 Consumer Comment

Is there a conspiracy theory from the "kook fringe" you do NOT subscribe to?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"Iraq is today more dangerous than it ever has been"-False. It is only dangerous in a very small part of the country. The Kurds enjoy peace for the 1st time in over 30 years. The only problem areas are the FEW that are terrorist controlled, and supported by the radical Imams.

"Iraq is today more dangerous than it ever has been. With over 60% Unemployment & people who used to live in homes, living in tents."-False. Housing construction is higher than in the previous 15 years. Unemployment is also lower than during the previous pre-war years. Now, you don't have to be part of the Ba'ath Party to have a job.

"The only increase in power has been to the US owned companies & the US bases, but the average Iraqi is still in the dark."-False. Prewar capabilities was at 4400Kv. Current capability is 10000Kv. Usage may be lower(4200Kv), but the capability is more than double. Rolling blackouts are common(as they always have been) while new sections are brought online, and equipment is upgraded. The EXACT same thing happens in California. Tell me Cali is worse off now, than before we took it.

"After 5 years, the USA has not even been able to get Oil Production up to pre-war levels."-Hard to say. Production is actually up, but your friends' constant attacks on the transportation of the product, is preventing it from being sold. Nice. Your heroes are really helping the Iraqi people.

"Terrorist attacks began with Anthrax after 911, & for that which has not been reported (as usual) there have been enough scares that billions have been spent on prevention & false scares."-False. There never was any anthrax worth talking about. One envelope of a mild strain(can be cured with a shot from a Doctor) was found. Try not to be so vapid.

"Meanwhile the borders are as porous as ever, if not worse & the security levels of the Ports are so low that less than 20% of the Containers are even being checked."-True. And yet, not ONE attack has happened. We can thank the current administration for that.

"Terrorist attacks have happened "All over the World" since 911 in Countries who do allow the main stream media to report & if anyone wants an example of what does not get reported, I simply suggest you do a "google search" on 911 Mysteries to watch the Movie I mentioned to get a little taste."-True. They have happened everywhere, yet NONE against American citizens, nor it's properties. The only ones being targetted with success, are the ones who give in(Spain, France). The ones who fight back, are either not attacked, or the attacks are foiled(England).

"The whole premise for the War was a fallacy as a Majority of Americans understand & it's futility is being proven out by the present polls, along with the new "real poll" that will be voted on Nov 7th."-False. After John Kerry let slip what ALL Democraps really think of the Military, and in turn, the US Citizen in general, do not be surprised if the Reps win, and win BIG. I notice you took a vacation after the MAJORITY of your Countrymen decided they wanted to be part of the Pro-America Team, and threw out your previous group of pantywearing bedwetters. Rubber rooms, and white jackets, perhaps?

"There is not an informed American in the USA that does not now understand that Iraq had no WMD's & it is generally acknowledged in both Iraq & America that Iraq was safer & had a better economy under Saddam."-False. There was no economy under Saddam. The only safe people were Ba'ath Party members. Women weren't safe. The hundreds of thousands of people found in mass graves weren't. The tens of thousands who were gassed sure weren't.

"Except Robert. Robert is also the only one who would not watch the Movie 911 Mysteries as found on google, simply because he is not interested in truth in any way. He is only interested in being Republican & I guess that means "uninformed" as he obviously cannot see the truth staring him right in the face."-False. I looked it up. It's just more of the same bilge you've been drinking for years...like how we gave n**i Germany all of it's weapons during the war. The fact that we produced NONE of their weapons is meaningless to you. Of course, you still think there are U-Boats wandering around the lakes.

Up your meds.
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Iraq is today more dangerous than it ever has been

AUTHOR: Jim - (Canada)

Iraq is today more dangerous than it ever has been. With over 60% Unemployment & people who used to live in homes, living in tents.

The only increase in power has been to the US owned companies & the US bases, but the average Iraqi is still in the dark.

After 5 years, the USA has not even been able to get Oil Production up to pre-war levels.

Terrorist attacks began with Anthrax after 911, & for that which has not been reported (as usual) there have been enough scares that billions have been spent on prevention & false scares.

Meanwhile the borders are as porous as ever, if not worse & the security levels of the Ports are so low that less than 20% of the Containers are even being checked.

Terrorist attacks have happened "All over the World" since 911 in Countries who do allow the main stream media to report & if anyone wants an example of what does not get reported, I simply suggest you do a "google search" on 911 Mysteries to watch the Movie I mentioned to get a little taste.

The whole premise for the War was a fallacy as a Majority of Americans understand & it's futility is being proven out by the present polls, along with the new "real poll" that will be voted on Nov 7th.

There is not an informed American in the USA that does not now understand that Iraq had no WMD's & it is generally acknowledged in both Iraq & America that Iraq was safer & had a better economy under Saddam.

Except Robert. Robert is also the only one who would not watch the Movie 911 Mysteries as found on google, simply because he is not interested in truth in any way. He is only interested in being Republican & I guess that means "uninformed" as he obviously cannot see the truth staring him right in the face.
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#242 Consumer Comment

More conspiracy nuttiness from James

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I'll give it to you sweet, short, and straight to the point.

During the 90's, American citizens, and property worldwide, were attacked over 300 times. Hundreds dead, and thousands wounded, not to mention the monetary cost, and collateral damage to foreign workers, etc.

The attacks of 9/11 were the last of the attacks that were carried out. Bin Laden et al expected more of the same lack of concern, as they had gotten from the previous 300+ attacks.

Instead, we had a President who didn't believe in knocking on doors, and presenting warrants for arrest. He took the fight right back to them. Eliminated two tyrannical Governments, freed tens of millions of people, ended mass graves, rape rooms(brought to you by that peaceful religion of Islam), and wholesale torture(no, naked pyramid is NOT torture to anyone except idiots and Democraps). More people in both Countries have running water, and electricity, than before their Governments were tossed aside. The only people there who hate us are the remnants of the Taliban, and the Terrorists.

As of today, there has not been a single attack on ANY American citizen, or property, ANYWHERE on this planet, since 9/11/2001(no James, battle casualties do NOT count, as people do actually die in war).

As for the WMD's, some were found, and the Iraqi's in charge of the programs admit they were still there just before the bombs started falling. The ONLY people who dispute the facts are the mainstream media, who has no reason to report on anything that will help the guy who beat their last two losers. An ABC News memo states they are to show Dems as good, and Reps as bad. A new study shows 90% of all political coverage is presented to show Dems in a favorable light, and Reps in a negative. How about reporting the better than 10:1 body count the Terrorists are absorbing. They'll run out of bodies long before we run out of ammo. Nope, CNN will show a video of a Soldier getting killed by a sniper(amazing how they get these vids, eh?), but won't show how the Terrorists shoot children in the back, use women as shields, hide in Hospitals, etc. Tell me there is no bias.
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I don't worry about Robert.

AUTHOR: Jim - (Canada)

Robert had his head stuck in the mud over a year ago thinking Saddam had WMD's. Hell he was sure of it!

Now he thinks the world is safer since the "War on Terrorism" began.

He turns a "blind eye" to the liberties you have lost. He turns a "blind eye" to the billions spent & all the dead bodies.

He turns a "blind eye" to the fact that the war in Iraq was dumb from the beginning, as I stated over a year ago. Now even Republicans can see it as a total failure... but not Robert.

Yet to heck with it being a failure, the premise for going there & into Afghanistan was a fallacy in the first place, as pointed out in this Movie:

9/11 Mysteries (video)

(( link redacted by ROR))

I bet you that Robert will not watch it, as he does not want to expand his mind. He will not admit now that the war was a dumb idea, nor will he want to present himself with proof that its whole premacy was merely a lie.

He believes what he sees & please don't take him to a Magic show! If you do, you will have him shopping stores for rabbits that hide in hats.

Yet for the rest of you, watch the movie. Then go vote this time.
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#244 Consumer Comment

Narrow minded.......to say the least

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

""Anyone who lets someone from a foreign country tell us what the right thing to do is nute. Why would anyone allow a Canadian who is making unproven and unfounded accuasations tell us how to vote should probably not vote at all."" -- American Moron

With the world the way it is and the things that are going on right now...this comment makes me ashamed to be an American.

This person has every right to speak his mind. Canada is in this "war" right now. They have lost countrymen. They fight in this "war on terror" with us. Just because this "war" is being run by an idiot from our country (Bush), doesnt mean that the other countries stuck in this mess with us dont have the right to speak out.

The complete stupidity of how the Bush administration has handled this makes it justifiable in my eyes for anyone to speak out about our elections. If our leaders are to lead a free world, then the free world has a right to speak about them any way they see fit.

Its still a free world right?
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#245 Consumer Comment

A mind is a terrible thing to waste, Chip

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Try reading the stuff James of Canaduh has written. It belongs in an episode of "Science Mystery Theatre".

Go to the other threads related to the Govt, and you'll see what I am talking about.

BTW, I don't believe anything my Govt says about anything. I believe what I see.

You Libs claim we were NEVER attacked during the 8 years of clinton. That is a crock on a grand scale. We were attacked monthly, and in some months daily, to the tune of over 300 seperate attacks during that 8 years. The WTC was attacked in '93, with dozens killed, and dozens more wounded. The USS Cole was attacked, with more than a dozen killed, and dozens more wounded. The Khobar Towers(military housing) was attacked, same thing. The Embassies all over the world were attacked, same thing. Clinton did nothing. Osama himself admitted in a video he never anticipated we would retaliate after the 9/11 attacks. He said he expected more of the same, as the previous 8 years. We haven't been attacked ANYWHERE, since that fateful day.

Get it?

P.S.-I personally think Bin Laden is either dead, or captured. He has bad kidneys, and medical treatment is required. That'm my own conspiracy theory...but one that at least has some factual basis behind it.
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#246 Consumer Comment

Educate Yourself Robert

AUTHOR: Chip - (U.S.A.)

James raises many valid points. There are as many unanswered questions -- if not more -- than there are questions that have been sufficiently answered, including, but not limited to, irregular stock trades of United and American stock on 9/6 and 9/10 -- the profits of which are still being held in an account held by the NYSE, unclaimed by unknown trader(s).

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but if you believe everything you are told or that you read in the media, then you're showing your ignorance.

Critical thought is a wonderful thing, my friend. You should try it.

By the way, since when does a person who has an opinion different from yours belong in an "asylum?" After all, the patriots of the American Revolution had a different opinion than King George, right? If you're such a modern-day American patriot, then surely you would understand that a difference of opinion and critical thought is what this country was founded on, right?
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#247 Consumer Comment

He's baaaa-ack!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I see James of Canaduh has been let out of the asylum.

Maybe the towers were brought down by a U-Boat, eh James?
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#248 Consumer Comment

He's baaaa-ack!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I see James of Canaduh has been let out of the asylum.

Maybe the towers were brought down by a U-Boat, eh James?
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If you want proof... just go to the Links. You were Scammed by 911

AUTHOR: Jim - (Canada)

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Now that all the books have been published and promoted; the Hollywood films have all opened (and closed); all the radio and television commentaries and commemorative specials have been broadcast; all the dramas (and the so-called "docudramas") and even a handful of reality-based, actual "documentaries" have aired and been argued over, ad infinitum and ad nauseum, on the web and in the blogosphere...at long last, and after all has been said (but so little really has been done) where do we find ourselves? And where do we go from here, on the long, confusing, circuitous and still ever-painful path from 9/11?

To answer that question, we first must come to understand truly what happened in and to America five years ago, how it happened, and - most important - why. Yet the plethora of attack-related media that has exploded onto our public consciousness in the run-up to the fifth "anniversary" of the terror attacks has done nothing to help us understand any of it. Yes, books have been sold, theatres filled, ratings raised, circulations increased, reputations enhanced - but I repeat: nothing has been done to help us understand.

This, despite the obvious talents of directors like Paul Greengrass of United 93 and Oliver Stone of World Trade Center; despite the literary investigations of reporters like Peter (Triple Cross) Lance and Lawrence (The Looming Tower) Wright; or the vivid recollections of Kristin (Wake-up Call) Breitweiser and the self-serving apologia (Without Precedent) of Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton; despite the National Geographic Channel's eviscerated version of Lance's book; despite Court TV's documentary embrace of On Native Soil, based on the discredited 9/11 Commission report; despite Spike TV's ode to metalworkers and millions of downloads of Loose Change; despite CBS's re-run of the same French documentary it aired years ago; and yes! despite ABC's cretinous and much-discussed docudrama The Path to 9/11 - despite it all, all the bluster, all the recriminations, all the posturing, all the politics and all the media attention, attention still must be paid.

Attention - first to the families, our touchstones who suffered more than any and who still seek deliverance from that suffering in their unending search for the truth of what happened. Attention next to the many questions about 9/11 that remain unanswered - questions large and small, new and old; such as why the Pentagon held back so much information about air defense deficiencies from the 9/11 commission that Chairmen Kean and Hamilton came close to asking the Justice Department to launch a criminal investigation; such as why the dozens of pre-attack warnings pouring into Washington were ignored; such as why the Able Danger intelligence program, which purportedly uncovered evidence of five active Al Qaeda cells and identified four of the eventual hijackers months before the attacks, was ignored and closed down; such as why Osama bin Laden was allowed to escape from Afghanistan when cornered in Tora Bora; such as why evidence of Pakistani intelligence involvement in the 9/11 plot has been ignored and covered up.

Attention fully paid, then, to "press for truth" (the title of another 9/11-related documentary I am an executive producer of) about what actually happened, how it happened, and who helped make it happen - as a means of finally approaching the reality of why it happened - and perhaps in the course of that search, ensuring that it can never happen again.

A logical starting point, and something that some family members spoke out for at a recent press conference in Washington, DC, is to support calls for a new, reopened, and non-partisan investigation. There is little doubt that that the 9/11 commission report has become the Warren commission report of our time - a fatally flawed official examination that ended up raising more questions than it answered, owing to a toxic brew of politics, partisanship, personal agendas and presidential obstruction. Chairman Thomas Kean's recent paid involvement with ABC's fictitious "historical" docudrama is but the latest reminder that the 9/11 tragedy has yet to be investigated fully or fairly - or in a NON-partisan (as opposed to BI-partisan!) manner.

Both Kean and his Democratic Party counterpart Lee Hamilton now acknowledge that the Pentagon didn't play straight with them, and that they and their fellow commissioners bowed to political pressure when they didn't fully question New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani about his management decisions and emergency responses. Other commissioners complained repeatedly about White House obstacles put in their path - yet the commissioners chose to issue their report nonetheless, even in the face of staff objections that there wasn't enough time to follow all leads.

The commissioners also allowed the president and vice president to testify together (and not under oath) and went along with other administration demands, such as the one that only a minority of the commissioners could see a minority of the documents requested - and even then had to vet their notes with the White House before sharing them with the full Commission! So Kean's paid advisory role to the discredited ABC miniseries is best understood as just the latest evidence of his shattered credibility - and that of his commission as well.

At the risk of stating the obvious, let me conclude by noting that we can never move beyond 9/11 until we obtain a fuller understanding of the events of that day and what underlies them. And until we have a complete, thorough and non-partisan investigation, that will never happen. We must continue to "press for truth" in connection with the events of September 11, 2001 - for we still don't know the true "path to 9/11" and until we do, we can never find the path from 9/11.

There is plenty of proof:

Here are the hijackers:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hijackers_flt_77.html

Here is a movie explaining all:

9/11 Mysteries (video)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003

What does an expert say about the Pentegon?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsn4JA450iA&mode=related&search

There is more, but you had better know some of this before you vote.
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I Swore

AUTHOR: Chip - (U.S.A.)

I would not keep this thread going, but...

To the poster who thinks I'm affiliated with the DNC. I'm not. I'm a regular guy from America's heartland who is able to think for himself -- something that Americans once prided themselves on. I voted for the FIRST TIME in 2004 because I was so outraged by the state of affairs in this country. I voted for Kerry because change was needed. Too bad a slight majority in this country can't or won't form an independent, critical thought, and/or are too easily scared that they bought Bush's "Stay the Course" Iraq mantra.

The fact is, Clinton tried to KILL Bin Laden. He failed, but at least he found the guy and tried. Bush can't even find him. He's just too busy in Iraq and Afghanistan, and trying to amend the constitution to prohibit gay marriage -- way more important issues than finding the guy who attacked America on a scale larger than Pearl Harbor. And let's not go into the lies around justifying the war in Iraq, and Halliburton's NO BID contracts. WMDs in Iraq? Sure, there were chemical weapons that hussein used AGAINST HIS OWN PEOPLE, and had no intentions of using them against America. Hussein was NOT CONNECTED to Bin Laden. Oh, and by the way, the chemical weapons were so old that they had lost the vast majority of their efficacy IF USED. If you still think Iraq is about terrorists, then you need your head examined. We invaded Iraq. Iraq was NO THREAT. We are the terrorists in Iraq. Try and get it.

Bush will be remembered as one of the worst, if not THE WORST, president in our nation's history. Years from now, people will wonder aloud how they fell for his deceit, just like post-n**i Germany did. But by then it will be too late.

Go ahead, and support a party that lies, cheats, divides, rejects accountability, and values the protection of one of its own -- a pedophile -- over the safety of our children. Be very proud of that.
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Yeah, Let's let A CANADIAN Tell Us What's Right

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Anyone who lets someone from a foreign country tell us what the right thing to do is nute. Why would anyone allow a Canadian who is making unproven and unfounded accuasations tell us how to vote should probably not vote at all.
This moron thinks he is such an expert and claims thath he is all knowing and has nothing to substantiate his remarks.
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#252 Consumer Comment

Americans don't get fooled again! These voting machines have no checks on them, no paper trail, easily changeable results, open to viruses.

AUTHOR: Jim - (Canada)

Now it is your turn to Vote his "Money Supply" away!

Stolen Elections. The 911 Conn. The War in Iraq. ................Afghanistan.


Americans don't get fooled again! These voting machines have no checks on them, no paper trail, easily changeable results, open to viruses. It is a conn that already got Bush twice into the President's chair! If that was all, you might just have the right to be a "little upset"!

Yet 911 was a total setup & can be seen for what it was & is in this MOVIE:

9/11 Mysteries (video)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003

The War in Iraq is a "total failure" even if there was a good reason for going in (in the first place) which there wasn't! So Saddam was a bad man? What right does the USA have to decide what Countries Leaders are good or bad, & then simply invade who they want & set up a Government for them?

It might not even be as bad, if your own Administration was not a "total lie" from the inception of it, to what it has done since stealing power. What you need to do is to clean your own house before you start cleaning others.

Afghanistan is worse in a lot of ways. Simply because this Administration has even been able to conn NATO which loses it's creditability now in the World because of these obvious lies.

All over the World people have woken up to see the truth for what it is. It is now time for the American People to put a stop to this!

My advise would be to vote "anti Incumbent" Democrat or Republican... simply clean house! Whoever is running as an incumbent , if they were smart enough not to fall for this crap you have all been fed, they still did nothing about it! They allowed you to be lied to & they allowed this Administration to get away with things that are "Illegal, Immoral & Unjust"!!
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Typical

AUTHOR: Brian - (U.S.A.)

Typical for a liberal to put anti Bush rhetoric on a site that has nothing to do with politics. Thank you for turning a site that is supposed to help consumer into your little blog to show your ignorance. You are the reason Bush was elected for a second term.
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#254 Consumer Comment

Lets get to the REAL issue on Bush

AUTHOR: Cecilia - (U.S.A.)

I don't criticize anyone for being republicans or democrats or independents. That is your right as an American citizen. But oil is one problem we do have today, now that gas prices are falling to a great price we have to say ?why now?? well the house is in some need of serious votes? they need all the brownie points they can get right now.

This is off the subject but needs to be rendered. Our oil is a problem, but another problem is the Leader of our country. I have researched the researchers and 9/11 was a total inside job?. Now here our boys are over their fighting and being killed over the politician's greedy pockets?. He is not a dictator. Yet. He would love to own this world. In my opinion, if it won't benefit him, then he doesn't even try. He isn't far from a Hitler. Now if they actually change our constitution like they are trying to do now to get Schwarzenegger in the presidency, then we have a huge problem? not to mention that the bush family ancestors worked for the n**i's so did Arnolds. People are going to open their eyes one day and see the wrong we are going through and wonder why it went as far as it did. Wake up America? we have to stand up to keep this a free country, a country I love and believe in. This country isn't made to be controlled by anyone but the American people, that is why we vote. I would never vote for Bush or his followers again? If given the chance he would take over the world?

Look online for yourself, research it all? Alex Jones 9/11 police states, Loose change? these men have done their research and prove it all to you. I am not wrong about this? you need the facts and you need to keep an open mind on what is really going on in our country.

www.infowars.com they will give you facts. ( Clinton might have been a womanizer but that is between his wife and him, Nobody talks about the affair that Bush senior had, who cares about that? Clinton was a great president, with heart and character)!!!!
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#255 Consumer Comment

Just remember this...

AUTHOR: Todd - (U.S.A.)

I quickly breezed through these posts and have a few things to add..

Everyone who blames Bush for the current state of affairs had better get their heads out of their collective posteriors.

When 9/11 happened, Bush was in office only 8 months. Clinton was in for 8 YEARS and didn't do anything to stop bin Laden. If 'Pretty Boy' Al would have been elected, we probably wouldn't have even gone to the middle east and guess what...where do you think all of those terrorists would be...RIGHT HERE blowing this country to pieces!

We are in Iraq right now to get democracy firmly planted because militant Islam is on the rise and it ain't slowin' down for nuttin'! If we don't get a foothold now, you can be assured that one day soon, radical Islam will take over the entire Muslim world and then they are coming for us.

Look at the Iraq war as a summer picnic in your backyard. The US is the picnic table w/ the food on it and the bugs are the terrorists. If you put a bug zapper far away from the picnic table, you keep the bugs away, hence, the war keeping the wacko terrorists over there instead of here. Yes, we've lost a lot of soldiers, but if it were happening here, you'd be losing a whole lot more. And don't blame the war to get oil...have we taken any yet...no.
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Simple Terms

AUTHOR: R - (U.S.A.)

I am hoping that one day all this crap goes away. Think in these terms. 9/11 happens regardless of who won in 2000. There are religious zealots out there regardless of who won in 2000. They would still kill you regardless of who won in 2000. This group of people will not rest until they feel they have "won". The problem...they can never "win" so do we deal with this prehistoric behavior forever. Come on people, it is as simple as cheering for your team or the other.
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Simple Terms

AUTHOR: R - (U.S.A.)

I am hoping that one day all this crap goes away. Think in these terms. 9/11 happens regardless of who won in 2000. There are religious zealots out there regardless of who won in 2000. They would still kill you regardless of who won in 2000. This group of people will not rest until they feel they have "won". The problem...they can never "win" so do we deal with this prehistoric behavior forever. Come on people, it is as simple as cheering for your team or the other.
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Simple Terms

AUTHOR: R - (U.S.A.)

I am hoping that one day all this crap goes away. Think in these terms. 9/11 happens regardless of who won in 2000. There are religious zealots out there regardless of who won in 2000. They would still kill you regardless of who won in 2000. This group of people will not rest until they feel they have "won". The problem...they can never "win" so do we deal with this prehistoric behavior forever. Come on people, it is as simple as cheering for your team or the other.
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AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

You say that you were not name calling? What is saying that supporters of Bush live in a trailer and lack the skills in independent thinking? Why don't you just call the stupid?????? You noit only will admit where your from and who you really are you are also a bold face LIAR.....

You refuse to respond to the fact that the democrats admitted in the media that they do not and will not support any president or republican program as long as Bush is in office because they hate him so much. Are you really going to tell me that this is good for the country? They lied and said that social security is not a problem and they refused to come up with a solution or sit down and hammer out an agreement. The fact that there is a majoority republican is not enough if all the democrats unify there are not enough votes to pass anything.

Pull yuour head out of the ground and tell us your position in the DNC since you won't admit who you are and where you are from. All you are doing is spewing Uncle Howard's rhetoric....
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AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

You say that you were not name calling? What is saying that supporters of Bush live in a trailer and lack the skills in independent thinking? Why don't you just call the stupid?????? You noit only will admit where your from and who you really are you are also a bold face LIAR.....

You refuse to respond to the fact that the democrats admitted in the media that they do not and will not support any president or republican program as long as Bush is in office because they hate him so much. Are you really going to tell me that this is good for the country? They lied and said that social security is not a problem and they refused to come up with a solution or sit down and hammer out an agreement. The fact that there is a majoority republican is not enough if all the democrats unify there are not enough votes to pass anything.

Pull yuour head out of the ground and tell us your position in the DNC since you won't admit who you are and where you are from. All you are doing is spewing Uncle Howard's rhetoric....
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AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

You say that you were not name calling? What is saying that supporters of Bush live in a trailer and lack the skills in independent thinking? Why don't you just call the stupid?????? You noit only will admit where your from and who you really are you are also a bold face LIAR.....

You refuse to respond to the fact that the democrats admitted in the media that they do not and will not support any president or republican program as long as Bush is in office because they hate him so much. Are you really going to tell me that this is good for the country? They lied and said that social security is not a problem and they refused to come up with a solution or sit down and hammer out an agreement. The fact that there is a majoority republican is not enough if all the democrats unify there are not enough votes to pass anything.

Pull yuour head out of the ground and tell us your position in the DNC since you won't admit who you are and where you are from. All you are doing is spewing Uncle Howard's rhetoric....
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AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

You say that you were not name calling? What is saying that supporters of Bush live in a trailer and lack the skills in independent thinking? Why don't you just call the stupid?????? You noit only will admit where your from and who you really are you are also a bold face LIAR.....

You refuse to respond to the fact that the democrats admitted in the media that they do not and will not support any president or republican program as long as Bush is in office because they hate him so much. Are you really going to tell me that this is good for the country? They lied and said that social security is not a problem and they refused to come up with a solution or sit down and hammer out an agreement. The fact that there is a majoority republican is not enough if all the democrats unify there are not enough votes to pass anything.

Pull yuour head out of the ground and tell us your position in the DNC since you won't admit who you are and where you are from. All you are doing is spewing Uncle Howard's rhetoric....
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#263 Consumer Comment

You people are way too passionate about things you have no control over.

AUTHOR: Jeff - (U.S.A.)

Form your own opinions instead of letting someone manipulate your thoughts by telling one side of a story. I was watching the news a while back and saw a reporter doing the news from a canoe. She was covering a storm (dont remember if it was Katrina) and coming off like it was the end of the world. A few seconds later some guys walked behind her and the water was maybe 2 inches deep. Cant even believe what you see on the news much less what they tell you. Dem or Rep, dont form an opinion without research. We all know politicians lie. Always have, always will. Cant control it. Political affiliation aside, you're an idiot if you let someone form your opinions. I'm not necessarily a Bush supporter yet I think Michael Moore is one of the biggest dumbass hipocrites I've ever seen. Tries to force feed you his bullshit like all liberals. Pray to your god, pay your bills and take a nap.
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#264 Consumer Comment

James, keep posting your thoughts!

AUTHOR: Private - (U.S.A.)

James,

I love your post and the photos, keep up the good work.

Yes, I am aware that there are people who say that the Rip-Off site is for services and companies. However, more and more people are posting political protest letters on this site.

If you think about it, complaining about the US Federal Government is just like posting complaints about Dead-Beat Fathers, Adulterers, or Ex-Spouses. Maybe this is why Ed the Editor of this site has categories under Federal Government.

If you would like to read what I posted search for MSNBC on this site or you can just search msnbc ripoff.

In closing: Most US Citizens do not know that we can petition our government and file a grievance that is our right and the problem is the government no longer listens to us.

Heck it is not like Bush and the Republicans won by a huge landslide and they don't have a mandate from us voters!

Keep posting your letters James and don't listen to people like Charles. Just keep in mind that Big Brother is watching and watch out for the IT Wally's of this world!
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#265 Consumer Comment

just ignore the bush fans

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

Of course bush fans are going to say this, I suggest we ignore them but they refuse to be ignored we can discuss anything regardless if it is for business!.
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#266 Consumer Comment

**Not a Political Forum - Products and Services ONLY!

AUTHOR: Charles - (U.S.A.)

RipoffReport.com is meant to be for products and services, not politics! I suggest taking these discussions to one of hundreds of politics boards on the internet, or calling in to cable TV shows!
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#267 Consumer Comment

No WMD's in Iraq? How WRONG you Left-Wingers are

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

WASHINGTON ? The United States has found 500 chemical weapons in Iraq since 2003, and more weapons of mass destruction are likely to be uncovered, two Republican lawmakers said Wednesday.

"We have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons," Sen. Rick Santorum, R-Pa., said in a quickly called press conference late Wednesday afternoon.

Reading from a declassified portion of a report by the National Ground Intelligence Center, a Defense Department intelligence unit, Santorum said: "Since 2003, coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions which contain degraded mustard or sarin nerve agent. Despite many efforts to locate and destroy Iraq's pre-Gulf War chemical munitions, filled and unfilled pre-Gulf War chemical munitions are assessed to still exist."

source - http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html

This war has never been about OIL.That is the response the foolish give.Get your facts straight. As in other wars, this war is also about defeating the BAD people who want to hurt/kill the good people.If you are against this war then you should move to another country and show your ignorance there rather than here. LORD it is sad that ignorant people such as those who oppose this war are actually walking among us in this free society of ours.
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#268 Consumer Comment

To John in White, Ga.

AUTHOR: Chip - (U.S.A.)

I didn't call anyone names. I was speaking to two things.

First and foremost, as Wendy well-articulated, Americans have GOT TO STOP accepting what is being spoon-fed to them. Just because Bush says something, or you read something in a 'national magazine,' doesn't mean it's true. Where is everyone's ability to THINK CRITICALLY? When did this nation become so LAZY and COMPLACENT? When are people going to relaize that they can be DUPED if they allow it? Look at what's going on around you...I don't care what the hell Bush says. Are your finances any better than they were 9 years ago? Is the world safer than it was 9 years ago? Is America safer than it was 9 years ago? Are the government's finances any better? How about inflation? Education? Social Security? Pensions? Healthcare costs? All of these issues -- IMPORTANT issues facing the nation -- are swept under the rug while the mornon-in-chief 1) attacks 2 sovereign nations that were NO THREAT to the US (but now are bigger terrorist training grounds than ever before, funded by poppy production in Afghanistan that has exploded in the last 3 years), spends BILLIONS of DOLLARS that could've been spent on Social Security reform, education, or other things to benefit the American people, and, lastly, let's not forget the LOSS OF LIFE and the destruction of the ENVIRONMENT as a result of these senseless wars while -- and most important -- OSAMA (the REAL terrorist) roams freely...plotting and planning his next stunt; and 2) brings such irrelevant issues as GAY MARRIAGE and FLAG BURNING before the American people.

John -- I don't care what you've read. Look at what the hell is going on around you. The problem with Americans today is that they are too lazy to do their own DUE DILIGENCE. They are fine with being told what to do and what to think. This is my point. Bush knows this. He uses this psychology.

On the subject of psychology, the other thing I am speaking about is that Bush supporters seem to me to subscribe to the theory of "If I support 'em, I'll BECOME them." Bush wants people to think that if they support him, they'll become members of the club...the fraternity. Sadly, it will not ever happen. The only members of the club are the few that have already been admitted.

I am not name-calling. I'm stating an opinion that, if researched, could verry well be proven to be a fact.
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#269 Consumer Comment

STOP, LOOK & LISTEN

AUTHOR: Wendy - (U.S.A.)

I'm in a state of "shock & awe" reading through these posts. Was it Stalin or Lenin who said, "We will destroy you from within." We're not meant to agree on everything. But, aren't we even civilized enough to try to see the other perspective, or are we so TV-trained that we're incapable of forming an original thought of our own unless we're spoon-fed the values, principles, and "facts" that we will choose to say are the absolute reality of any given situation? No wonder we are outraged when we encounter individuals who disagree with us. They are wrong; ignorant, because we know the truth.

And, as evidenced in these postings,this is enough to reduce us into a rage of of name-calling, breast-beating authorial assault. What vocabularies we have! Challenge yourselves for the sake of this country, of which I am sure we are all proud, no matter how we choose to express it. Try to converse without using the words liberal, conservative, left, right, Democrat, Republican and many of the other words that were used so loosely that only bring on negativity. What can possibly be gained by that? If this country does not get out of the muck and mire of blaming and lying, pointing the finger at each other.

The blame game has got to stop, not only in government, but in corporations, multi-media, small business, families, and most of importantly, the individual. If we do not take responsibility for ourselves and start working TOGETHER for positive improvements for our nation, I'm afraid we are quite capable of sabotaging our efforts much as the Romans did. If you have ever read "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire," it is frightening to watch our nation parallel the same decline. Read it.

And please, when it comes to these political issues, like they used to teach in Debate. thoroughly research the other point of view before coming to the table. There is nothing worse than seeing someone clamor on about something they obviously know nothing about;it's sad. Remember the quote: It's better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open one's mouth and confirm it. Personally, I want the great, proud, honest America of integrity that the world used to admire, not despise. We can do it.
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#270 Consumer Comment

FACTS

AUTHOR: Steph - (U.S.A.)

To the worthless piece of trash who stopped his behavior to post the oft repeated and long time ago proven to be a lie or at at least at best a half truth.

Prescott Bush was involved with a business that made some dealings with the Nazis long before WW2 and long after he was connected to it.

The terror loving democratics hero Ted Killer Kennedy's FATHER AND BROTHERS are heavily responsible for us staying out of WW2 until 1941 because destroying the Jews helped their businesses.

There's 2 sides in this.

Bush and the US

Or

Democrats and Bin Laden

And it's the democrats and their appeasement policies that have made it so.

You either hate Bush and America or hate Bin Laden and Al Queda. There is no choice. The democrats have made it clear if they get power they will allow Bin Laden to do whatever he wants just like Clinton did from 92-00.

If you diagree with Bush it's one thing but you hate spewing dems are the ones who make it clear the choice is between Bush and Bin Laden. Not Bush and Dems. But Bush and Bin Laden.

If the dems win:

Get ready to go for a fitting for your burqa women! The democrats will let the islamic scum take over our country.

Well democrats like to women so the men must be happy that if the dems take over then that will be considered honorable. Heck they installed a sexual predator in the WH from 92-00.

Disagreement is one thing. Hate spewing is another.

Remember everyone the democrats are getting lots of money from the ACLU who only spends time deciding which to give more support to Al Queda or Nambla.

Since liberal men are all wimpy limp wristed whiny brats no wonder they hate Bush. They hate women so they would hate a man with a name like that.
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#271 Consumer Comment

For you Bush supporters

AUTHOR: Joustin - (U.S.A.)

George Bush has started an ill-timed and disastrous war under false pretenses by lying to the American people and to the Congress; he has run a budget surplus into a severe deficit; he has consistently and unconscionably favored the wealthy and corporations over the rights and needs of the population; he has destroyed trust and confidence in, and good will toward, the United States around the globe; he has ignored global warming, to the world's detriment; he has wantonly broken our treaty obligations; he has condoned torture of prisoners; he has attempted to create a theocracy in the United States; he has appointed incompetent cronies to positions of vital national importance.

Now, would one of you Bush supporters please give him a blow job so we can impeach him?
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#272 Consumer Suggestion

Answer some Questions, Chip

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

The opposition to George Bush admitted in a national magazine tha the only reason they block any move the repuublicans try is because they hate them. They have admitted that they would not come to a table and negotiote a solution tot the Social Security issue because they HATE Republicans and even though they admmit there is a problem they refuse to try to fix it.

Are these the people that you want to run this country? It came out recently that this so called outing of the CIA agent was done by her own husband and a writer. What so you all say??/ FREE PASS......

Do you really believe that the democrats are going to do this country any better.

Please notice that I am refraining from calling you any names like you so easily call people who don't agree with you. You probably are some young kid who doesn't know what you are talking about because you are not giving where you really are from because someone may recognize you.
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#273 Consumer Comment

To those who support Bush: We know you lack the skills of independent thinking and critical analysis.

AUTHOR: Chip - (U.S.A.)

Amen, Cheryl...

I was not going to jump into this, but alas...

To those who support Bush: We know you lack the skills of independent thinking and critical analysis. We know that you are just a tool for Bush and his merry men to robotically vomit their talking points which, anyone with a half-way respectable IQ knows, are lies. We know that life has been unkind to you, that you live in a trailer, that you lack an education, that you were picked on as a kid, are easy to scare, and that by supporting "kick your a*s" Bush you are in some way getting back at all the people whom you feel wronged or otherwise oppressed you. We also know that you think all Republicans are wealthy and powerful, and that by supporting them, people will think you are too (your trailer is just a temporary dwelling while your estate is being renovated, right?), or that, magically, you will actually become wealthy and powerful. When Bush leaves office, and a respectable America finally emerges, you will know that you willingly allowed Bush to rape and use you, like a cheap w***e, and that he never cared about you or your interests. And, your self-esteem will tank to new lows when you realize how easily duped you were into believing Bush's deceit.

I am just as American as anyone else. There is nowhere else on this planet I would rather live. Not buying the bullsh*t Bush has been selling does not make me a traitor. It just means that I'm smart.
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#274 Consumer Comment

To those who support Bush: We know you lack the skills of independent thinking and critical analysis.

AUTHOR: Chip - (U.S.A.)

Amen, Cheryl...

I was not going to jump into this, but alas...

To those who support Bush: We know you lack the skills of independent thinking and critical analysis. We know that you are just a tool for Bush and his merry men to robotically vomit their talking points which, anyone with a half-way respectable IQ knows, are lies. We know that life has been unkind to you, that you live in a trailer, that you lack an education, that you were picked on as a kid, are easy to scare, and that by supporting "kick your a*s" Bush you are in some way getting back at all the people whom you feel wronged or otherwise oppressed you. We also know that you think all Republicans are wealthy and powerful, and that by supporting them, people will think you are too (your trailer is just a temporary dwelling while your estate is being renovated, right?), or that, magically, you will actually become wealthy and powerful. When Bush leaves office, and a respectable America finally emerges, you will know that you willingly allowed Bush to rape and use you, like a cheap w***e, and that he never cared about you or your interests. And, your self-esteem will tank to new lows when you realize how easily duped you were into believing Bush's deceit.

I am just as American as anyone else. There is nowhere else on this planet I would rather live. Not buying the bullsh*t Bush has been selling does not make me a traitor. It just means that I'm smart.
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#275 Consumer Comment

To those who support Bush: We know you lack the skills of independent thinking and critical analysis.

AUTHOR: Chip - (U.S.A.)

Amen, Cheryl...

I was not going to jump into this, but alas...

To those who support Bush: We know you lack the skills of independent thinking and critical analysis. We know that you are just a tool for Bush and his merry men to robotically vomit their talking points which, anyone with a half-way respectable IQ knows, are lies. We know that life has been unkind to you, that you live in a trailer, that you lack an education, that you were picked on as a kid, are easy to scare, and that by supporting "kick your a*s" Bush you are in some way getting back at all the people whom you feel wronged or otherwise oppressed you. We also know that you think all Republicans are wealthy and powerful, and that by supporting them, people will think you are too (your trailer is just a temporary dwelling while your estate is being renovated, right?), or that, magically, you will actually become wealthy and powerful. When Bush leaves office, and a respectable America finally emerges, you will know that you willingly allowed Bush to rape and use you, like a cheap w***e, and that he never cared about you or your interests. And, your self-esteem will tank to new lows when you realize how easily duped you were into believing Bush's deceit.

I am just as American as anyone else. There is nowhere else on this planet I would rather live. Not buying the bullsh*t Bush has been selling does not make me a traitor. It just means that I'm smart.
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To those who support Bush: We know you lack the skills of independent thinking and critical analysis.

AUTHOR: Chip - (U.S.A.)

Amen, Cheryl...

I was not going to jump into this, but alas...

To those who support Bush: We know you lack the skills of independent thinking and critical analysis. We know that you are just a tool for Bush and his merry men to robotically vomit their talking points which, anyone with a half-way respectable IQ knows, are lies. We know that life has been unkind to you, that you live in a trailer, that you lack an education, that you were picked on as a kid, are easy to scare, and that by supporting "kick your a*s" Bush you are in some way getting back at all the people whom you feel wronged or otherwise oppressed you. We also know that you think all Republicans are wealthy and powerful, and that by supporting them, people will think you are too (your trailer is just a temporary dwelling while your estate is being renovated, right?), or that, magically, you will actually become wealthy and powerful. When Bush leaves office, and a respectable America finally emerges, you will know that you willingly allowed Bush to rape and use you, like a cheap w***e, and that he never cared about you or your interests. And, your self-esteem will tank to new lows when you realize how easily duped you were into believing Bush's deceit.

I am just as American as anyone else. There is nowhere else on this planet I would rather live. Not buying the bullsh*t Bush has been selling does not make me a traitor. It just means that I'm smart.
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#277 Consumer Comment

Bush's Family Wealth Came From the n**i Regime

AUTHOR: Cheryl - (U.S.A.)

It's all documented that Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush's wealth came from Hitler's n**i regime, through a company similar to Halliburton in the United States today called Farber.

The Bush's initial wealth came by being traitor's to America. The Bush's are an evil, dark, secret society family who are deliberately trying to destroy America under these props of terrorism they manufactuer in order through a shadow government.

There is a hidden arm, a few very evil people high up in American government who are manipulating things behind the scenes. Bush is one of their puppets. They have turned our country into a huge debtor nation in a matter of 6 years, gotten us into a never ending war with Iraq that they are profitting from through Haliburton no bid contracts in the billions.

For those Americans who still cling to Bush as a good man, you are truly poisonous vines, choking the life out of our culture. In denial, you are as evil as those people in n**i Germany who stood by Hitler, only you are more evil because Hitler forced people to follow him. You prove yourselves as the biggest idiots of the world by supporting this war criminal President. You can't think for yourselves as your skulls were hallowed out and emptied a long time ago. Now you are nothing but conduits for a corrupt, criminal government. That's what the n**i's wanted in their citizens, and that is what you people have become who still support this criminal President and his lying, corrupt regime.

Anyone who supports Bush at this point in history is an American retard, or a greedy business person who wishes to profit somehow from his corrupt, war criminal administration.

As for stealing the election - true. However, I must say that JFK's father had his son elected with his money that made the difference in a tight race with Nixon. JFK's father stole the 1961 election with his cash and influence.
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#278 Consumer Comment

A Democrat Tells the Truth _

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Nancy Pelosi in a Time Interview finally is admitting the truth. As the leading democrat in the House she insists all the Democrats strictly vote on Party lines and never compromise or work with Republicans. She admits that they were so against the president that they refused to admit the plan was in trouble because that is what the president said. In other words, they put at risk the future of all of us to score a few political points.

Do you democrats really want leaders that refuse to listen to the people or do anything that would be good for America because it may mean they agree with the Republicans? Are these really the people that you want in office? If a Democrat votes against party line they will then get the wrath of Nancy Pelosi..........

Wake up democrats and vote in leaders that will follow the will of the American People and not for their own political gain.......
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#279 Consumer Comment

Bush needs to be destroyed!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

To All Poor and Middle Class People:

Bush needs to be stripped of ALL power and be made to walk naked in the streets of an American City so ALL world people see him as the weak pathetic p***y he is. I dare Bush to face a real crisis like John Fitzgerald Kennedy did. Both Bush's are a slap in the face of JFK. I admire John Kennedy as he was a strong man and so was his brother Bobby! The USA Gov't also saw they were powerful and than destroyed them.
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#280 Consumer Comment

Vera, just STFU and it will all go away

AUTHOR: B. - (U.S.A.)

Vera,

Even though I promised a review of your "facts", I would have been content to let the whole affair blow over, as the thread seemed to be returning to its original topic. But you and Ben seem to be intent on making it your own little mutual hate zone. Even after reading your ridiculous screed of 6/28, "Finally got a free moment to get on....", I figured what the heck, after my posting, you deserve the last word. But here you are, two weeks later, during which I have said nothing to provoke you, attacking me and trying to put words in my mouth. So "B" it. I have no control. You have forced me to respond. From the top, then...

You say you've wanted this BS over for quite some time. Right. All you have to do is STFU and it will all be a bad memory. I assume you haven't raised your daughter to believe she has no responsibility for her reaction to other people calling her names? I zing you and Robert because I would have thought the two of you to have the more mature point of view. Doesn't mean I exclude Ben, I just thought he was the least likely show a positive response. I'm a stone's throw from Martinez, and tomorrow I'll be paying his town a visit. Believe me, if I had a stone to throw and knew where to aim it... LOL!

You accuse me of a "Remarkable demonstration of that infamous Liberal perception on your part; create distance, delete info, present modified version of the truth that completely occludes the original point and misses the mark." Right back at you, V. Your "explanation" is a prime example of your attempts to obfuscate the obvious. Here is what you posted:

"Thomas More Law Center recently filed a lawsuit due to the promotion of Islam in California schools, yet most Americans don't realize this is a nationwide issue. 'Assume you are a Muslim soldier...' a textbook exercise, is being defended by its publisher, Houghton Mifflin. Their textbook 'Across the Centuries' has been purchased by school districts all over the nation, including Jose Padilla/Abdullah Al Muhajir's old elementary school in Chicago, which has been using it for years. Jose Padilla is the American who converted to Islam and was accused of plotting to employ a dirty bomb.

"John Walker Lindh was in elementary school in California when Houghton Mifflin was the ONLY California approved and funded textbook in use. Reports often reflect John's devotion to Islam at the age of 16, but the Associated Press reported in Dec. of 2001 that by the age of 15 John Walker was already patterning his life after the Qu'ran, making decisions based upon the dictates of Islam, showing his interest developed prior to his high school years. What precipitated his choices? Could it be a textbook which glorifies and emphasizes Islam to young impressionable minds?"

This is the kind of intellectually dishonest crap NewsMax writers spew on a daily basis. Assuming the facts are true (I have no way of proving or disproving, for instance, that Padilla's school EVER used the textbook), then technically each individual sentence is true. However, as Robert is fond of saying, words mean something, and the way these sentences are strung together is a sham. The mention of Padilla's elementary school using the textbook is obviously a disingenuous attempt to imply his terrorist activities were linked to his having studied that textbook. Otherwise, why even mention him in connection with it?

The second paragraph tells us Lindh was in elementary school when "Houghton Mifflin", not necessarily "Centuries", was the only textbook in use. Unlikely, as it is only a two-year course, and irrelevant because it was approved for Jr. High/Middle School, not elementary. The obvious question, did he actually ever use the textbook, remains unanswered. Though it does not CLAIM Lindh was influenced by the textbook, the last sentence further implies it, "Could it be a textbook which glorifies and emphasizes Islam...?" The answer to both these questions is probably no, because Lindh himself, his parents, and close friends have all said his first exposure to Islam was his interest in a film about Malcolm X.

The worst is the ugly underbelly these arguments expose. Promoting the irrational fear that our schools are turning our children into terrorists, and the thinly veiled religious discrimination inherent in the idea that exposure to Islam leads to terrorism. The truth is that even if this textbook were responsible for Lindh's interest in Islam, in over ten years of this textbook's use in the CA schools, we would have but one instance where it influenced a future terrorist, if you can, indeed really call Lindh a terrorist. Your arguments sound just like the arguments the anti-gun people spout, they at least have some statistics to back up their claims.

In that same post, you made the absurd statement, "Clinton's signature of "Religious expression in public school" paved the way to secure finances for other religious "education" aka proselytizing." In the first place, this wasn't something Clinton "signed", he directed that it be checked for accuracy, published, and distributed to school administrators. It is a summary of court decisions regarding "separation" issues that apply to public schools, nothing more. I can see why you and your "sources" would like to discredit it, though; it belies most of the victimization statements you cling to. "Can't wear a cross to school," "Can't pray in school," "Can't read the bible in school," "Better not even MENTION the name of Jesus in class," all exposed as hysterical fabrication by this document.

It is laughable, really, that you and your ilk scream bloody murder whenever anyone brings up the "separation of church and state," but then demand that principle be applied, and in spades, whenever the government does something you don't like. Get over it! Religion is an important part of cultural history, and it is important that students learn about it. If you don't like it, tell your local school boards, but by your own interpretation of the Constitution, you have no say, and no right to dictate, whatever the people in California want to teach their children.

As for "Liberal Spin" in the Padilla case, none is needed, the important facts speak for themselves. The government's case against him gives a whole new meaning to the term revolving charge account. He is a US citizen who has been stripped of his 5th and 6th amendment rights by a President who holds himself to be above the law and beyond the constitution. What more needs to be said?

> Funny thing is, "B.", you're gonna swear this never happened? Everyone else is hallucinating but you and Bennie?

Nice try. Talk about distortion. I'm not going to swear to anything. I'm not the one spreading fairy tales and presenting them as fact. That would fall squarely in your court, and your fellow minions of fear and intolerance. My position all along has been that we don't have enough facts to know what happened. I lend more credence to the opposite camp, because I question the motivation of the participants, not because there are any overwhelming facts. The only thing we KNOW is that the parents of 3 children are making extreme claims that a teacher tried to indoctrinate their kids into Islam, and that those claims are refuted by the teacher, the school, and the state of California. I'm sorry you can't distinguish the difference between rhetoric and fact, and that you would rather blindly parrot the lies of those who agree with you than seek the truth. But your desperate belief in these fairy tales does not make them any more real, and their are no FACTS to back up those claims. You ask why the lawsuits. I'd say its as politically motivated as the lawsuit to take the words "under God" out of the pledge, which seems to be the "few words" you have chosen to portray as the "opposition's agenda", since you mention them just about every time you decide to slam the "liberals".

> And just so we get the facts straight:
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>Saying "Under God" in the Pledge is religious indoctrination being "forced" on students, and a CLEAR violation of separation of Church and State.
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>But saying "allahu ackbar" ("god is great") and "Allah has power over all things", while learning the Five Pillars and being instructed that "The Kaaba, 'originally built by Adam, was later rebuilt by Abraham and his son Ismail.' " (That is Islamic belief, not verifiable history.), is NOT proselytization.
>
>Right. Gotcha.

And just so we get the facts straight, I have never said anything to indicate that I favor either the position that "under God" is religious indoctrination, or the position that real religious indoctrination in the schools is OK. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm as big an idiot in the opposite direction.

The fact that your supposed teaching of the Kaaba story is not verifiable history completely misses the point, This is Social Studies, not Verifiable History 101. The whole point is to learn what the different cultures believed and what effects those beliefs had on their own and other cultures, not to validate or impugn the veracity of those beliefs.

Up to your knees? Vera, its been over your head for months. And referring to me as the "Self-imposed moderator of all that's fair on ROR" is really rich coming from you. Check your own hi-beams before flashing your lights at another.

As to your closing salvo on Clinton, as usual another cheap shot. Maybe I can put this particular one to rest for good. Probably not, but I'll at least set the record straight for a moment. You'll probably continue to make the claim, you'll just stop posting the so-called evidence.

Boston Globe - To the Editor, "Bush military role less than glorious" - Nov. 12, 2002 by writer John Hamilton of Dedham.
B>> Another impeccable source, a letter to the editor. I'd definitely accept this one at face value. LOL!

Compared to Bill Clinton's 'military record', George W. Bush looks like Sgt. York!

Here are the facts:

* Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Given Selective Service Number # 3 26 46 228.
B>> I love this one! Like any of us had the choice to refuse the "contractual conditions of registering for the draft." Yuk!

* Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968

* Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969

B>> Oops, missed one. Bill Clinton interviews with Colonel Holmes for a slot in the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas on July 17, 1969. Holmes accepts him into the program, but he will not be able to start until fall of 1970. Holmes notifies the draft board of the arrangement, and with permission from Willard Hawkins, the state Selective Service director, they agree to rescind Clinton's induction notice and change his classification to 1-D.

* Bill Clinton dishonors order to report and is not inducted into the military
B>> This is false, the draft board had already agreed to rescind his induction notice.

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on August 07, 1969 under authority of Colonel E. Holmes. Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.
B>> This is merely the date the board officially processed the paperwork. Clinton did not sign any enlistment papers, in fact he would not be eligible to actually sign up for the program until the fall 1970 term.

* Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.
B>> Again, this was not a 'duty station', and he was not scheduled to begin ROTC until the following year. Obviously the author also does not understand the difference between the Reserves, a military enlistment, and ROTC, a college scholarship program. He seems to believe they are interchangeable.

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) 'registrant who has failed to report..remain liable for induction'.
B>> Clinton was reclassified 1-A at his own request. As noted above, his previous induction notice was rescinded. There is no legal theory under which he is at odds with the Military Selective Service Act of 1967, or any other law.

* Bill Clinton's birthdate lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction, is INELIGIBLE!
B>> Again, same crackpot theory, same brick wall. Clinton was not under orders to report for induction.

* Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.

* Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice.

* Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977 from Carter.

* Bill Clinton FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President.
B>> Total BS. Clinton violated no laws. Further, he obviously could not have been a felon at the time Carter granted amnesty, since he was never indicted, much less convicted of any crime. And as the author's previous bullets show, it wasn't because he was hard to find.

All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests, public laws and various books that have been published and have gone unrefuted by Clinton.
B>> And the pitted brain pan of John Hamilton.

Sitting next to me as I write this letter, is a copy of SHEET 8 - SELECTIVE SERVICE CLASSIFICATION RECORD - HOT SPRINGS, ARKANSAS, on which is the name of Bill Clinton and 29 other registrants. Columns 7 & 8 of SHEET 8, are blank for Bill Clinton.
B>> OMG! Can this be true??!!?? Oddly, I have a copy of SHEET 5 - NIMH PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATION RECORD - BETHESDA, MARYLAND, on which is the name of John Hamilton and 16 other residents. Columns 4 & 9 of SHEET 5 are blank for John Hamilton.

There is no determination of status for Bill Clinton, for either military or civilian occupation, that would fulfill his obligation as a Selective Service Registrant.
B>> Yes, I daresay 8 years of service as Commander in Chief of the entire US military doesn't even come close to fulfilling that obligation.
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Vera, just STFU and it will all go away

AUTHOR: B. - (U.S.A.)

Vera,

Even though I promised a review of your "facts", I would have been content to let the whole affair blow over, as the thread seemed to be returning to its original topic. But you and Ben seem to be intent on making it your own little mutual hate zone. Even after reading your ridiculous screed of 6/28, "Finally got a free moment to get on....", I figured what the heck, after my posting, you deserve the last word. But here you are, two weeks later, during which I have said nothing to provoke you, attacking me and trying to put words in my mouth. So "B" it. I have no control. You have forced me to respond. From the top, then...

You say you've wanted this BS over for quite some time. Right. All you have to do is STFU and it will all be a bad memory. I assume you haven't raised your daughter to believe she has no responsibility for her reaction to other people calling her names? I zing you and Robert because I would have thought the two of you to have the more mature point of view. Doesn't mean I exclude Ben, I just thought he was the least likely show a positive response. I'm a stone's throw from Martinez, and tomorrow I'll be paying his town a visit. Believe me, if I had a stone to throw and knew where to aim it... LOL!

You accuse me of a "Remarkable demonstration of that infamous Liberal perception on your part; create distance, delete info, present modified version of the truth that completely occludes the original point and misses the mark." Right back at you, V. Your "explanation" is a prime example of your attempts to obfuscate the obvious. Here is what you posted:

"Thomas More Law Center recently filed a lawsuit due to the promotion of Islam in California schools, yet most Americans don't realize this is a nationwide issue. 'Assume you are a Muslim soldier...' a textbook exercise, is being defended by its publisher, Houghton Mifflin. Their textbook 'Across the Centuries' has been purchased by school districts all over the nation, including Jose Padilla/Abdullah Al Muhajir's old elementary school in Chicago, which has been using it for years. Jose Padilla is the American who converted to Islam and was accused of plotting to employ a dirty bomb.

"John Walker Lindh was in elementary school in California when Houghton Mifflin was the ONLY California approved and funded textbook in use. Reports often reflect John's devotion to Islam at the age of 16, but the Associated Press reported in Dec. of 2001 that by the age of 15 John Walker was already patterning his life after the Qu'ran, making decisions based upon the dictates of Islam, showing his interest developed prior to his high school years. What precipitated his choices? Could it be a textbook which glorifies and emphasizes Islam to young impressionable minds?"

This is the kind of intellectually dishonest crap NewsMax writers spew on a daily basis. Assuming the facts are true (I have no way of proving or disproving, for instance, that Padilla's school EVER used the textbook), then technically each individual sentence is true. However, as Robert is fond of saying, words mean something, and the way these sentences are strung together is a sham. The mention of Padilla's elementary school using the textbook is obviously a disingenuous attempt to imply his terrorist activities were linked to his having studied that textbook. Otherwise, why even mention him in connection with it?

The second paragraph tells us Lindh was in elementary school when "Houghton Mifflin", not necessarily "Centuries", was the only textbook in use. Unlikely, as it is only a two-year course, and irrelevant because it was approved for Jr. High/Middle School, not elementary. The obvious question, did he actually ever use the textbook, remains unanswered. Though it does not CLAIM Lindh was influenced by the textbook, the last sentence further implies it, "Could it be a textbook which glorifies and emphasizes Islam...?" The answer to both these questions is probably no, because Lindh himself, his parents, and close friends have all said his first exposure to Islam was his interest in a film about Malcolm X.

The worst is the ugly underbelly these arguments expose. Promoting the irrational fear that our schools are turning our children into terrorists, and the thinly veiled religious discrimination inherent in the idea that exposure to Islam leads to terrorism. The truth is that even if this textbook were responsible for Lindh's interest in Islam, in over ten years of this textbook's use in the CA schools, we would have but one instance where it influenced a future terrorist, if you can, indeed really call Lindh a terrorist. Your arguments sound just like the arguments the anti-gun people spout, they at least have some statistics to back up their claims.

In that same post, you made the absurd statement, "Clinton's signature of "Religious expression in public school" paved the way to secure finances for other religious "education" aka proselytizing." In the first place, this wasn't something Clinton "signed", he directed that it be checked for accuracy, published, and distributed to school administrators. It is a summary of court decisions regarding "separation" issues that apply to public schools, nothing more. I can see why you and your "sources" would like to discredit it, though; it belies most of the victimization statements you cling to. "Can't wear a cross to school," "Can't pray in school," "Can't read the bible in school," "Better not even MENTION the name of Jesus in class," all exposed as hysterical fabrication by this document.

It is laughable, really, that you and your ilk scream bloody murder whenever anyone brings up the "separation of church and state," but then demand that principle be applied, and in spades, whenever the government does something you don't like. Get over it! Religion is an important part of cultural history, and it is important that students learn about it. If you don't like it, tell your local school boards, but by your own interpretation of the Constitution, you have no say, and no right to dictate, whatever the people in California want to teach their children.

As for "Liberal Spin" in the Padilla case, none is needed, the important facts speak for themselves. The government's case against him gives a whole new meaning to the term revolving charge account. He is a US citizen who has been stripped of his 5th and 6th amendment rights by a President who holds himself to be above the law and beyond the constitution. What more needs to be said?

> Funny thing is, "B.", you're gonna swear this never happened? Everyone else is hallucinating but you and Bennie?

Nice try. Talk about distortion. I'm not going to swear to anything. I'm not the one spreading fairy tales and presenting them as fact. That would fall squarely in your court, and your fellow minions of fear and intolerance. My position all along has been that we don't have enough facts to know what happened. I lend more credence to the opposite camp, because I question the motivation of the participants, not because there are any overwhelming facts. The only thing we KNOW is that the parents of 3 children are making extreme claims that a teacher tried to indoctrinate their kids into Islam, and that those claims are refuted by the teacher, the school, and the state of California. I'm sorry you can't distinguish the difference between rhetoric and fact, and that you would rather blindly parrot the lies of those who agree with you than seek the truth. But your desperate belief in these fairy tales does not make them any more real, and their are no FACTS to back up those claims. You ask why the lawsuits. I'd say its as politically motivated as the lawsuit to take the words "under God" out of the pledge, which seems to be the "few words" you have chosen to portray as the "opposition's agenda", since you mention them just about every time you decide to slam the "liberals".

> And just so we get the facts straight:
>
>Saying "Under God" in the Pledge is religious indoctrination being "forced" on students, and a CLEAR violation of separation of Church and State.
>
>But saying "allahu ackbar" ("god is great") and "Allah has power over all things", while learning the Five Pillars and being instructed that "The Kaaba, 'originally built by Adam, was later rebuilt by Abraham and his son Ismail.' " (That is Islamic belief, not verifiable history.), is NOT proselytization.
>
>Right. Gotcha.

And just so we get the facts straight, I have never said anything to indicate that I favor either the position that "under God" is religious indoctrination, or the position that real religious indoctrination in the schools is OK. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm as big an idiot in the opposite direction.

The fact that your supposed teaching of the Kaaba story is not verifiable history completely misses the point, This is Social Studies, not Verifiable History 101. The whole point is to learn what the different cultures believed and what effects those beliefs had on their own and other cultures, not to validate or impugn the veracity of those beliefs.

Up to your knees? Vera, its been over your head for months. And referring to me as the "Self-imposed moderator of all that's fair on ROR" is really rich coming from you. Check your own hi-beams before flashing your lights at another.

As to your closing salvo on Clinton, as usual another cheap shot. Maybe I can put this particular one to rest for good. Probably not, but I'll at least set the record straight for a moment. You'll probably continue to make the claim, you'll just stop posting the so-called evidence.

Boston Globe - To the Editor, "Bush military role less than glorious" - Nov. 12, 2002 by writer John Hamilton of Dedham.
B>> Another impeccable source, a letter to the editor. I'd definitely accept this one at face value. LOL!

Compared to Bill Clinton's 'military record', George W. Bush looks like Sgt. York!

Here are the facts:

* Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Given Selective Service Number # 3 26 46 228.
B>> I love this one! Like any of us had the choice to refuse the "contractual conditions of registering for the draft." Yuk!

* Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968

* Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969

B>> Oops, missed one. Bill Clinton interviews with Colonel Holmes for a slot in the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas on July 17, 1969. Holmes accepts him into the program, but he will not be able to start until fall of 1970. Holmes notifies the draft board of the arrangement, and with permission from Willard Hawkins, the state Selective Service director, they agree to rescind Clinton's induction notice and change his classification to 1-D.

* Bill Clinton dishonors order to report and is not inducted into the military
B>> This is false, the draft board had already agreed to rescind his induction notice.

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on August 07, 1969 under authority of Colonel E. Holmes. Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.
B>> This is merely the date the board officially processed the paperwork. Clinton did not sign any enlistment papers, in fact he would not be eligible to actually sign up for the program until the fall 1970 term.

* Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.
B>> Again, this was not a 'duty station', and he was not scheduled to begin ROTC until the following year. Obviously the author also does not understand the difference between the Reserves, a military enlistment, and ROTC, a college scholarship program. He seems to believe they are interchangeable.

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) 'registrant who has failed to report..remain liable for induction'.
B>> Clinton was reclassified 1-A at his own request. As noted above, his previous induction notice was rescinded. There is no legal theory under which he is at odds with the Military Selective Service Act of 1967, or any other law.

* Bill Clinton's birthdate lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction, is INELIGIBLE!
B>> Again, same crackpot theory, same brick wall. Clinton was not under orders to report for induction.

* Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.

* Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice.

* Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977 from Carter.

* Bill Clinton FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President.
B>> Total BS. Clinton violated no laws. Further, he obviously could not have been a felon at the time Carter granted amnesty, since he was never indicted, much less convicted of any crime. And as the author's previous bullets show, it wasn't because he was hard to find.

All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests, public laws and various books that have been published and have gone unrefuted by Clinton.
B>> And the pitted brain pan of John Hamilton.

Sitting next to me as I write this letter, is a copy of SHEET 8 - SELECTIVE SERVICE CLASSIFICATION RECORD - HOT SPRINGS, ARKANSAS, on which is the name of Bill Clinton and 29 other registrants. Columns 7 & 8 of SHEET 8, are blank for Bill Clinton.
B>> OMG! Can this be true??!!?? Oddly, I have a copy of SHEET 5 - NIMH PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATION RECORD - BETHESDA, MARYLAND, on which is the name of John Hamilton and 16 other residents. Columns 4 & 9 of SHEET 5 are blank for John Hamilton.

There is no determination of status for Bill Clinton, for either military or civilian occupation, that would fulfill his obligation as a Selective Service Registrant.
B>> Yes, I daresay 8 years of service as Commander in Chief of the entire US military doesn't even come close to fulfilling that obligation.
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Vera, just STFU and it will all go away

AUTHOR: B. - (U.S.A.)

Vera,

Even though I promised a review of your "facts", I would have been content to let the whole affair blow over, as the thread seemed to be returning to its original topic. But you and Ben seem to be intent on making it your own little mutual hate zone. Even after reading your ridiculous screed of 6/28, "Finally got a free moment to get on....", I figured what the heck, after my posting, you deserve the last word. But here you are, two weeks later, during which I have said nothing to provoke you, attacking me and trying to put words in my mouth. So "B" it. I have no control. You have forced me to respond. From the top, then...

You say you've wanted this BS over for quite some time. Right. All you have to do is STFU and it will all be a bad memory. I assume you haven't raised your daughter to believe she has no responsibility for her reaction to other people calling her names? I zing you and Robert because I would have thought the two of you to have the more mature point of view. Doesn't mean I exclude Ben, I just thought he was the least likely show a positive response. I'm a stone's throw from Martinez, and tomorrow I'll be paying his town a visit. Believe me, if I had a stone to throw and knew where to aim it... LOL!

You accuse me of a "Remarkable demonstration of that infamous Liberal perception on your part; create distance, delete info, present modified version of the truth that completely occludes the original point and misses the mark." Right back at you, V. Your "explanation" is a prime example of your attempts to obfuscate the obvious. Here is what you posted:

"Thomas More Law Center recently filed a lawsuit due to the promotion of Islam in California schools, yet most Americans don't realize this is a nationwide issue. 'Assume you are a Muslim soldier...' a textbook exercise, is being defended by its publisher, Houghton Mifflin. Their textbook 'Across the Centuries' has been purchased by school districts all over the nation, including Jose Padilla/Abdullah Al Muhajir's old elementary school in Chicago, which has been using it for years. Jose Padilla is the American who converted to Islam and was accused of plotting to employ a dirty bomb.

"John Walker Lindh was in elementary school in California when Houghton Mifflin was the ONLY California approved and funded textbook in use. Reports often reflect John's devotion to Islam at the age of 16, but the Associated Press reported in Dec. of 2001 that by the age of 15 John Walker was already patterning his life after the Qu'ran, making decisions based upon the dictates of Islam, showing his interest developed prior to his high school years. What precipitated his choices? Could it be a textbook which glorifies and emphasizes Islam to young impressionable minds?"

This is the kind of intellectually dishonest crap NewsMax writers spew on a daily basis. Assuming the facts are true (I have no way of proving or disproving, for instance, that Padilla's school EVER used the textbook), then technically each individual sentence is true. However, as Robert is fond of saying, words mean something, and the way these sentences are strung together is a sham. The mention of Padilla's elementary school using the textbook is obviously a disingenuous attempt to imply his terrorist activities were linked to his having studied that textbook. Otherwise, why even mention him in connection with it?

The second paragraph tells us Lindh was in elementary school when "Houghton Mifflin", not necessarily "Centuries", was the only textbook in use. Unlikely, as it is only a two-year course, and irrelevant because it was approved for Jr. High/Middle School, not elementary. The obvious question, did he actually ever use the textbook, remains unanswered. Though it does not CLAIM Lindh was influenced by the textbook, the last sentence further implies it, "Could it be a textbook which glorifies and emphasizes Islam...?" The answer to both these questions is probably no, because Lindh himself, his parents, and close friends have all said his first exposure to Islam was his interest in a film about Malcolm X.

The worst is the ugly underbelly these arguments expose. Promoting the irrational fear that our schools are turning our children into terrorists, and the thinly veiled religious discrimination inherent in the idea that exposure to Islam leads to terrorism. The truth is that even if this textbook were responsible for Lindh's interest in Islam, in over ten years of this textbook's use in the CA schools, we would have but one instance where it influenced a future terrorist, if you can, indeed really call Lindh a terrorist. Your arguments sound just like the arguments the anti-gun people spout, they at least have some statistics to back up their claims.

In that same post, you made the absurd statement, "Clinton's signature of "Religious expression in public school" paved the way to secure finances for other religious "education" aka proselytizing." In the first place, this wasn't something Clinton "signed", he directed that it be checked for accuracy, published, and distributed to school administrators. It is a summary of court decisions regarding "separation" issues that apply to public schools, nothing more. I can see why you and your "sources" would like to discredit it, though; it belies most of the victimization statements you cling to. "Can't wear a cross to school," "Can't pray in school," "Can't read the bible in school," "Better not even MENTION the name of Jesus in class," all exposed as hysterical fabrication by this document.

It is laughable, really, that you and your ilk scream bloody murder whenever anyone brings up the "separation of church and state," but then demand that principle be applied, and in spades, whenever the government does something you don't like. Get over it! Religion is an important part of cultural history, and it is important that students learn about it. If you don't like it, tell your local school boards, but by your own interpretation of the Constitution, you have no say, and no right to dictate, whatever the people in California want to teach their children.

As for "Liberal Spin" in the Padilla case, none is needed, the important facts speak for themselves. The government's case against him gives a whole new meaning to the term revolving charge account. He is a US citizen who has been stripped of his 5th and 6th amendment rights by a President who holds himself to be above the law and beyond the constitution. What more needs to be said?

> Funny thing is, "B.", you're gonna swear this never happened? Everyone else is hallucinating but you and Bennie?

Nice try. Talk about distortion. I'm not going to swear to anything. I'm not the one spreading fairy tales and presenting them as fact. That would fall squarely in your court, and your fellow minions of fear and intolerance. My position all along has been that we don't have enough facts to know what happened. I lend more credence to the opposite camp, because I question the motivation of the participants, not because there are any overwhelming facts. The only thing we KNOW is that the parents of 3 children are making extreme claims that a teacher tried to indoctrinate their kids into Islam, and that those claims are refuted by the teacher, the school, and the state of California. I'm sorry you can't distinguish the difference between rhetoric and fact, and that you would rather blindly parrot the lies of those who agree with you than seek the truth. But your desperate belief in these fairy tales does not make them any more real, and their are no FACTS to back up those claims. You ask why the lawsuits. I'd say its as politically motivated as the lawsuit to take the words "under God" out of the pledge, which seems to be the "few words" you have chosen to portray as the "opposition's agenda", since you mention them just about every time you decide to slam the "liberals".

> And just so we get the facts straight:
>
>Saying "Under God" in the Pledge is religious indoctrination being "forced" on students, and a CLEAR violation of separation of Church and State.
>
>But saying "allahu ackbar" ("god is great") and "Allah has power over all things", while learning the Five Pillars and being instructed that "The Kaaba, 'originally built by Adam, was later rebuilt by Abraham and his son Ismail.' " (That is Islamic belief, not verifiable history.), is NOT proselytization.
>
>Right. Gotcha.

And just so we get the facts straight, I have never said anything to indicate that I favor either the position that "under God" is religious indoctrination, or the position that real religious indoctrination in the schools is OK. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm as big an idiot in the opposite direction.

The fact that your supposed teaching of the Kaaba story is not verifiable history completely misses the point, This is Social Studies, not Verifiable History 101. The whole point is to learn what the different cultures believed and what effects those beliefs had on their own and other cultures, not to validate or impugn the veracity of those beliefs.

Up to your knees? Vera, its been over your head for months. And referring to me as the "Self-imposed moderator of all that's fair on ROR" is really rich coming from you. Check your own hi-beams before flashing your lights at another.

As to your closing salvo on Clinton, as usual another cheap shot. Maybe I can put this particular one to rest for good. Probably not, but I'll at least set the record straight for a moment. You'll probably continue to make the claim, you'll just stop posting the so-called evidence.

Boston Globe - To the Editor, "Bush military role less than glorious" - Nov. 12, 2002 by writer John Hamilton of Dedham.
B>> Another impeccable source, a letter to the editor. I'd definitely accept this one at face value. LOL!

Compared to Bill Clinton's 'military record', George W. Bush looks like Sgt. York!

Here are the facts:

* Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Given Selective Service Number # 3 26 46 228.
B>> I love this one! Like any of us had the choice to refuse the "contractual conditions of registering for the draft." Yuk!

* Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968

* Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969

B>> Oops, missed one. Bill Clinton interviews with Colonel Holmes for a slot in the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas on July 17, 1969. Holmes accepts him into the program, but he will not be able to start until fall of 1970. Holmes notifies the draft board of the arrangement, and with permission from Willard Hawkins, the state Selective Service director, they agree to rescind Clinton's induction notice and change his classification to 1-D.

* Bill Clinton dishonors order to report and is not inducted into the military
B>> This is false, the draft board had already agreed to rescind his induction notice.

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on August 07, 1969 under authority of Colonel E. Holmes. Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.
B>> This is merely the date the board officially processed the paperwork. Clinton did not sign any enlistment papers, in fact he would not be eligible to actually sign up for the program until the fall 1970 term.

* Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.
B>> Again, this was not a 'duty station', and he was not scheduled to begin ROTC until the following year. Obviously the author also does not understand the difference between the Reserves, a military enlistment, and ROTC, a college scholarship program. He seems to believe they are interchangeable.

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) 'registrant who has failed to report..remain liable for induction'.
B>> Clinton was reclassified 1-A at his own request. As noted above, his previous induction notice was rescinded. There is no legal theory under which he is at odds with the Military Selective Service Act of 1967, or any other law.

* Bill Clinton's birthdate lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction, is INELIGIBLE!
B>> Again, same crackpot theory, same brick wall. Clinton was not under orders to report for induction.

* Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.

* Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice.

* Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977 from Carter.

* Bill Clinton FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President.
B>> Total BS. Clinton violated no laws. Further, he obviously could not have been a felon at the time Carter granted amnesty, since he was never indicted, much less convicted of any crime. And as the author's previous bullets show, it wasn't because he was hard to find.

All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests, public laws and various books that have been published and have gone unrefuted by Clinton.
B>> And the pitted brain pan of John Hamilton.

Sitting next to me as I write this letter, is a copy of SHEET 8 - SELECTIVE SERVICE CLASSIFICATION RECORD - HOT SPRINGS, ARKANSAS, on which is the name of Bill Clinton and 29 other registrants. Columns 7 & 8 of SHEET 8, are blank for Bill Clinton.
B>> OMG! Can this be true??!!?? Oddly, I have a copy of SHEET 5 - NIMH PSYCHIATRIC EVALUATION RECORD - BETHESDA, MARYLAND, on which is the name of John Hamilton and 16 other residents. Columns 4 & 9 of SHEET 5 are blank for John Hamilton.

There is no determination of status for Bill Clinton, for either military or civilian occupation, that would fulfill his obligation as a Selective Service Registrant.
B>> Yes, I daresay 8 years of service as Commander in Chief of the entire US military doesn't even come close to fulfilling that obligation.
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AUTHOR: Dave - (U.S.A.)

Its become Quite Obvious now, that George W Bush and his personel White House Cronies,, need to be Ousted and Removed from the White House !!!!!!

Along with his side Corrupt Side Kicks, d**k (Richard) Cheney, Donald Rumsfield, Condom Rice, and the rest of the Deadbeat Bastards that are sitting on their Lazy 2 faced asses and doing absoletely NOTHING, to acknowledge the current Fuel Crisis in this country and how Big Oil Corporations are gouging us at the pumps !!!

Kinda of haed to tell them to quit doing that, whem, in Fact, the Big Oil Corporations were Heavy Campaign Contributors for the Bush / Cheney Election campaign !!!!

Can't bite the hand that feeds ya,,,, no matter how corrupt they are !!! Well, NOW,, were all seeing just how the great Pay-Back works,,,were paying for it at the Pumps, and this Winter, when those Natural Gas Bills and home heating Oil Bills come rolling in, to the tune of,, $800.00-$1000.00 a Month or more this Winter,,, to have heat in your house,, you'll be having to take out loans just to heat your house!!!!

Meanwhile, those Corrupt Politicians are getting Sweet Deals on their Bills at Reduced Rates,, because,, they're politicians who are helping to make the Big Oil Companies Executives and share holders mega-rich & Wealthy !!!!!

Yes, you the Sleepy Eyed, Lame American, who has forgot how to stand up for yourself and your Rights,,and forgot how to Protest and Demonstrate, are going to be paying dearly at the Pumps for your Fuel & Gasoline, at anywhere from $4.00 to $5.00 dollars a Gallon and beyond !!!! Know Why ??????

Because, we in America have been so Dumbed Down by Corrupt Government and the Big Corrupt Corporations, that try to control the people , we have forgotton that this is a Free Country !!!! Back in the 1970s, during the "FAKE" Oil Crisis, we Protested with signs on our cars and demonstrated outside Capitols, and the Truckers went on strike and blocked Roads and Interstates and we all "Stuck-Together",,,

Then again back in 79,, same thing,, UNITY !!! Remember Farm Aid , and all the Tractors and Combines that rolled across America to the State Capitols and the White House to Protest and Demonstrate,,, thats how Farm Aid came to be, and with help of Willie Nelson !!!!

But NO, I don't expect any of you Red Blooded Americans, to Remember any of that Important stuff,, NO,, but I bet many of you Remember what was on TV the other nite, or, when your next TV show will be on, or the next ball game,,the price of your last 6 pack of Beer,,,

Maybe you'll Rembember this,, there were those who fought for this country in many wars in the past,, and it wasn't so we could end up like this in this shape with a White House and Congress and Pentagon full of Criminals and Crooks,, who decieve th American Public and other Nations around the World !!!

Bet they'd be turning over in their Graves right about now,, if they could see just how we've allowed ourselves to be this Dumbed Down and turned into a Bunch of Candy Asses, that won't stand up to the Corrupt Powers that be !!!!!!! One More thing,,,, 'Just Where is Ol' Osama-Bin Laden" anyway ????? G.W.B ????????
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#284 Consumer Comment

James appears to be stricken YET AGAIN with another bout of the Brown-Bottle Flu...

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

Wow, Jimmy....you can afford a snake? How well do those keep in a 1958 AirStream trailer? Gee, d'you do your shopping off the Sword Gallery on those Television Shop Channels, too?

I didn't know Rent-A-Center sold snakes...or are you having a relative stay for a visit? You couldn't possibly have a snake...snakes don't like the fumes of alcohol, so your presence alone might send the poor beast writhing in misery.

Nahh-nahh...just goofin' on you, Lames...I wouldn't want to insult any reptiles out there, assuming that they'd even stoop to being members of your brood.

Get over yourself.
If you put half the energy into developing interpersonal skills better than "get in my Pinto, b***h" maybe you'd be worth the effort to even address, beyond an insult.

In the meantime, you've tried this "attitude" of yours on other women in other Reports, and were laughed at for the impotent little retard you are. This circumstance must not be all that new to you.

"Do not reply to me again,"

Why? You gonna make another fruitless and futile threat on my life? Or will your "reward" go up to "a thousand dollars and thirty-seven cents"? Yawn. To anyone who takes him up on the offer, be smarter than your Boss: Get It In Cash! ROTFLMAO!

"I just want to have a good little chat with you man to woman!"

Well, I'll let you know if I ever pop up in your area...I'll bring the "woman" (that would be, meself), and make sure to give you advance notice, so's you can find you a man to bring, Kay?

"People who pray and believe in religion only do so because they are afraid of death and want to believe in an after-life."

Uh-hunh. And drinking makes you so very smart and sexy, smoking pot makes you cool, and twenty K a year makes you a wealthy dude, in TupperVille!
Believe what you want about me....just bear in mind that I know you don't mind being wrong about the way things work. ;)

...I almost pity you, for how utterly stupid you are. (And I AM laughing AT you, not WITH you. I am nothing, if not honest.)

And by the way...what's a "wicked with"?
Is that a really awesome side dish? A really bad one?

Mmmmmmduhhhhhhhh....

I'm still curious...are you EVER gonna provide the meat to back up your nonsense claims in your "Report"? Or is the above a fair assessment of your researching skills?

Oh, goody; another spleen with a mouth.
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#285 Consumer Comment

"B."-fore you make assumptions, you should consider....

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

....Heaven knows, I've made this mistake myself, and it's embarrassing enough. I've wanted this bullshit over for quite some time meself.

Some other things I found, but forgot to respond to, originally...

"B." Said:

"Vera is the only one who has continued to provide any "information" in this "debate", and all of it is lunatic far-right fear mongering rhetoric that she can't possibly back up. For example, she states that Jose Padilla's elementary school used this same text, Across the Centuries, in an attempt to indict the text for "producing" a terrorist."

I never mentioned Jose Padilla being a student at the time "Across The Centuries" was given as text in California...he didn't even attend school in California. Remarkable demonstration of that infamous Liberal perception on your part; create distance, delete info, present modified version of the truth that completely occludes the original point and misses the mark.

My comment was:

"Their textbook 'Across the Centuries' has been purchased by school districts all over the nation, including Jose Padilla/Abdullah Al Muhajir's old elementary school in Chicago, which has been using it for years. Jose Padilla is the American who converted to Islam and was accused of plotting to employ a dirty bomb."

See, there's my reference to Jose Padilla, who was ALSO an American born terrorist who embraced Islam. Not an indictment. And yeah, he's a goddamn traitor, too, just like five of those seven dogs who publicly swore to mount a "ground war with America, and kill as many devils as possible". Entrapment, my a*s...they were looking for a member of Al Qaeda when they found the agent. The fact that they couldn't tell the difference between a good actor and the real thing lies with them. The agent was obviously even convincing enough to the Illegal who was helping the cowards out! (And how did the one fella who was in the United States illegally find the other members who aligned themselves with him? Couldn't that, too, be construed as "entrapment"? But that's another issue...and like so many others, I'm sure it's awaiting the Liberal Spin to make American Law Enforcement look as negative as possible.)

I never said that Jose Padilla was a product of California's Schools, or even influenced by "Across the Centuries". See, I'm not accusing this one text book alone, OR California Schools of being the exclusive purveyors of the doctrines of Islam; I simply do not think ANY religion should be passed off, in ANY form. (And that includes "mock spells" and "practice incantations" for Wiccan observances, or cold water dips for the Buddhists, as examples...or even teaching a kid how to lift their hands in prayer or bow in supplication to God, Gods, or Goddesses.) That's something that should be introduced by the parent(s) and at their discretion. Make no mistake...I don't think the Public School system makes a good surrogate, when it comes to matters of the conscience and soul.

I did make a point to also mention...

"John Walker Lindh was in elementary school in California when Houghton Mifflin was the ONLY California approved and funded textbook in use. Reports often reflect John's devotion to Islam at the age of 16, but the Associated Press reported in Dec. of 2001 that by the age of 15 John Walker was already patterning his life after the Qu'ran, making decisions based upon the dictates of Islam, showing his interest developed prior to his high school years. What precipitated his choices? Could it be a textbook which glorifies and emphasizes Islam to young impressionable minds?

"You remember John Walker Lindh, don't you? A California dude who loved Hip-Hop, pretended to be black, and was also known as "Jihad Johnny"...originally from Washington, he moved to California in his youth, and became a convert to Islam after having seen that aggrandizing garbage about "Malcolm X". He's also identified as "The American Taliban". (In a big way, he had a lot to do with the world becoming aware of the Across the Century Text.)"

Other than me, it was Robert who also mentioned Jose Padilla, when he Rebuttaled a link provided by Jon of San Diego.

It went something like this:
"Let's see...it refers to the Bush family as ?gangsters', and has a petition to free Jose Padilla, also known as Abdullah al-Muhajir."

I know how Liberals like to take a few words from a statement and make it look like it's the opposition's "agenda".

Funny thing is, "B.", you're gonna swear this never happened? Everyone else is hallucinating but you and Bennie?

Why the law suits? Why the supposed "ruling" by the Ninth Circuit? I hope with all my heart that it gets re-heard, and ruled accordingly, as it SHOULD be. Not just because "I want it that way", but because NO religion belongs in a Public School.

And just so we get the facts straight:

Saying "Under God" in the Pledge is religious indoctrination being "forced" on students, and a CLEAR violation of separation of Church and State.

But saying "allahu ackbar" ("god is great") and "Allah has power over all things", while learning the Five Pillars and being instructed that "The Kaaba, 'originally built by Adam, was later rebuilt by Abraham and his son Ismail.' " (That is Islamic belief, not verifiable history.), is NOT proselytization.

Right. Gotcha.

Y'might wanna wear galoshes?it's getting thick in here from all this Liberal bullshit?.better yet, try waders?it got deeper than my knees long ago.

Oh, and since I've got an extra minute, let's play "Pick the Vic".

Big daddy "B."---Self-imposed moderator of all that's fair on ROR---claims that "Vera needs to stop playing the victim; she's not a child anymore." You should share that sagely wit with Ben, who is the sole reason this quarrel started (and re-started!) in the first place. I had hoped it would have ended after I gave the d**n articles, as Bennie-Poo had once mooed, "Just present the article, Vera! It'd make your case legit!" When he said that, I knew he was lying?and apparently, I was correct to not take him at his word.

I initially responded to Ben with two whole sentences, after he had made various slings at anyone who dares have anything allied with a Christian (or Religious) faith. Neither of these sentences attacked his family, Ben himself, or anything of that nature. Ben's rebuttals were habitually sprinkled with terms like "Zealot" "Right-Wing Religious Nut" "Religious Nut Job?), and such, and for a few weeks I never even made comment to any of it. (Lately, he's taken to accusing Robert, who had openly stated he is atheist?of being a "Religious Nut" in hopes that Robert's non-belief is as fragile as his own. So accusing anyone of "having religion" is apparently a great insult to Ben. So you go ahead, and tell me he's a well-adjusted little acheist, all secure and confident.)

But of course, I'm supposed to remain silent while Ben gets to air his mooing and braying, as long as it agrees with yours. In fact, it was Ben who was first to call my parenting into question, by alleging---with no more knowledge than what he assumes to be correct, as his apparent angst against all things Religious In Nature leads him---that I'd somehow force my Stepsons to go to Church.

But when Robert brings in negative aspects of Ben's personal life, you have to chime up "how very Vera of you".

Yet here we are, and I've never used your moniker as a negative identifier against someone else. And it's not a matter of finding flaw?there is much you and I disagree on. However, I have always tried to make it clear that I have a certain level of respect---as you had shown me same, primarily. What makes now any different than then? I'm just as sick to death of this pathetic argument as you are, I'd wager; but I'm keeping it between those involved, unlike someone who created this whole debacle over a response between two other people by butting in.

Ben hee-haws:

"Sorry John that you have to see this rant. I've tried to avoid Robert for months. He tracks me down on any thread I dare post. I left this thread months ago because of the exact reasons you mention." (Wah! "On any thread I dare post!" Sniffle! Back of hand placed against a furrowed brow as I roll my eyes upward and lean back for dramatic flourish!)

Never mind the fact that it's been exclusively YOU who brings up the whole ?Islam in California Schools? in EVERY circumstance, on EVERY post you go to, right? Or should we just chalk it right up next to how YOU went to a Report on Pat Benatar and singled Robert out, telling him to suck a fat baby's p***s? (Yeah..."avoidance", clearly!)

Man, you sure show your support for homosexuality, calling people "fruits" and insinuating same-sex-acts on men (and against children, no less!) with all the vitriol and hatred of a Klansman talking about blacks. I'm sure the Rainbow League is grateful...keep up the good work. What a tolerant bunch we have! (Yeah, this appears in another post...it's worth it to keep examples of Ben's stupidity in the limelight.)

Gee, where's the "stop playing the victim card" here? Oh, I know! I had suggested that meself a few MONTHS back, but no one needs to listen and obey anyone but the Almighty Liberals, as their presence is the only thing that dictates reason, and is worthy of being obeyed. Is it now the vogue because it's being used against me?

---Another big "neigh":
"It got off the President and our country in general."

And to think! We have you to thank for it. All hail the King of Trolls?bow your head, get down on your kneezes, you're now in the land of the Living Sleazes. Tip your crown, Ben, say howdy to the masses! You're the King of the Liberal Dumb Asses.

How sad, that he can't get more loving attention form the flesh and blood people that surround him at home?but I suspect, that even these have lives they'd just as well not include him as a part of.


Here's something I found about Clinton's military history.

Boston Globe - To the Editor, "Bush military role less than glorious" - Nov. 12, 2002 by writer John Hamilton of Dedham.

Compared to Bill Clinton's 'military record', George W. Bush looks like Sgt. York!

Here are the facts:

* Bill Clinton registers for the draft on September 08, 1964, accepting all contractual conditions of registering for the draft. Given Selective Service Number # 3 26 46 228.

* Bill Clinton classified 2-S on November 17, 1964

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on March 20, 1968

* Bill Clinton ordered to report for induction on July 28, 1969

* Bill Clinton dishonors order to report and is not inducted into the military

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-D after enlisting in the United States Army Reserves on August 07, 1969 under authority of Colonel E. Holmes. Clinton signs enlistment papers and takes oath of enlistment.

* Bill Clinton fails to report to his duty station at the University of Arkansas ROTC, September 1969.

* Bill Clinton reclassified 1-A on October 30, 1969, as enlistment with Army Reserves is revoked by Colonel E. Holmes and Clinton now AWOL and subject to arrest under Public Law 90-40 (2)(a) 'registrant who has failed to report..remain liable for induction'.

* Bill Clinton's birthdate lottery number is 311, drawn December 1, 1969, but anyone who has already been ordered to report for induction, is INELIGIBLE!

* Bill Clinton runs for Congress (1974), while a fugitive from justice under Public Law 90-40.

* Bill Clinton runs for Arkansas Attorney General (1976), while a fugitive from justice.

* Bill Clinton receives pardon on January 21, 1977 from Carter.

* Bill Clinton FIRST PARDONED FEDERAL FELON ever to serve as President.

All these facts come from Freedom of Information requests, public laws and various books that have been published and have gone unrefuted by Clinton.

Sitting next to me as I write this letter, is a copy of SHEET 8 - SELECTIVE SERVICE CLASSIFICATION RECORD - HOT SPRINGS, ARKANSAS, on which is the name of Bill Clinton and 29 other registrants. Columns 7 & 8 of SHEET 8, are blank for Bill Clinton.

There is no determination of status for Bill Clinton, for either military or civilian occupation, that would fulfill his obligation as a Selective Service Registrant.
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#286 Consumer Comment

Bush is the Anti-Christ and Vera is the flying NUN!

AUTHOR: James - (U.S.A.)

Readers:

George Walker Bush is a worthless President and drunk who says he doesn't have the authority to put a cap on the oil/gas prices but if he can't even stop companies from gouging(screwing)people than what good is he??? The American President is supposed to be the most powerful person in the world. Today the President is nothing more than a spokesman for big business and government. I will tell you right now that the last real President was John F. Kennedy and look what happend to him, and don't tell me Oswald killed him because that is just non-sense. Kennedy didn't do two things, one he didn't go to WAR, second he didn't listen to big business and governments ways.

Vera baby, as for you my furry little rat I am done wasting my time on your stupid religous a*s so I need to put you in a cage with my pet python so she may put you to sleep for good. Do not reply to me again, I am sick of your religous rantings. People who pray and believe in religion only do so because they are afraid of death and want to believe in an after-life. So without further a do, I bid farewell to Vera as my snake sqeezes the air out of her lungs and slowly eats her whole. Hooray! the wicked with is gone!
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#287 Consumer Comment

More.. Invasion of the Vera!...

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Vera,

Your outright denial of any facts is just absolutely amazing. One of these days when I have much more time and I am really really freaking bored I will repost links to all the threads both you and Robert have been on spilling this complete fabrication of reality. Your excuse of "the editor wont let me post links" wont work at all since its all going to come from this site.

The constant "oh he started it, continued it, and followed me here!!....rally my christian soldiers!" garbage is so 80's Jerry Falwell its sick!

I shall repeat.....the proof is in the posts.

Who came first, who came last, who attacked who, how they attacked them, what proof they had (if any!), and how they backed up their position in general.

I'm not even going to go into details over each of your bogus points, off the subject rants, and .....complete....outright.....lies.

To do so would be just doing exactly what "B chided" me about. Falling into your same circle of false drivel to avoid ever answering for your comments and statements. I will admit. I do like your "Frankenstien" comment. Its perfect....since you were the Dr. that created this monster in the first place. Or are you going to say that it was I who made the evil Islam in CA schools comment? Bah, I bet you will fall on the old "hes attacking me because I'm a woman thing eh? (hell that was one outta the blue....even for you Vera! Nice smoke you have in your smoke screen machine!)


Sooooo lets get back to reality shall we. Now that this whole Islam in CA schools thing has been trounced....completely. (unless someone...anyone can show something...anything beyond a simple single middleschool....in some BFE part of the state)


Lets take this latest one from Vera......since its BACK (finally!) to Bush, but will most likely bring out the "oooooh they are persecuting we poor....poor..Christians" from her.........


"""I find it especially galling that you and Ben fuss about what a bad thing having a Christian-Based Faith is (and make retarded claims based on a joke, or the fact that our President has mentioned that he prays or that God speaks to him in his heart), but it's okay for a teacher, paid by the Taxes that are supposed to fund a Public School, to teach kids about another religion."""----Vera


I will not speak for "B", but I have never said anything about being against the Christian "faith" or any "faith" for that matter. What I have said is that I am against being forced into, and being judged by.....a faith. And I...am an athiest. Nothing more. YOU twisted it into an attack on Christians only Dr. Vera Von Frankenstien!!

Most importantly.......I am totally against a "Christian-Based-Government". I am against any "RELIGION BASED GOVERNMENT".

Bush has made it clear that he thinks we are a "Christian-Country"....period. Thats my opinion.....PERIOD. I base this on his statments, and his actions. I feel that you think the same way. (regardless of your sex dearest honey bun!)

Your entire comment about Islam in CA schools was just proof of that. Make yourself look like the persecuted one to devert attention from your plans to persecute others.


But sticking to Bush...really....this one comment hits home Dr.Frankenstein......

"""fact that our President has mentioned that he prays or that God speaks to him in his heart""""

Vera, Robert, Whoever...for the billionth time.........

IF YOUR RELIGIOUS....AND YOU FEEL IT MAKES YOU A BETTER PERSON.....MORE POWER TOO YOU.....ITS ....YOUR....BUSINESS.....

BUT DONT FORCE YOUR BUSINESS IN OTHERS PEOPLES FACES IF THEY HAVE NOT, AND ARE NOT, DOING ANY HARM TO YOU OR OTHERS.

The problem with Bush IS NOT that he prays to god, be it Christian or otherwise.

The problem with Bush IS NOT that he feels a god speaks to him "in his heart".

If these make a person feel better about themselves, others, or life in general then I have no problem with it whatsoever.

But not when its forced on others. And especially not when its under some pathetic ruse like "only with faith does one have morals" garbage.

The thing that I find scary about Bush....my opinion......was pointed out so perfectly by former Secretary of State Albright on (silly as it was....but honest!) the Colbert Report from Comedy Central. She mentioned how every single president from Washington to Bush Jr. has mentioned "god" and "faith" as part of their being. None have ever wavered. All were Christian in one form or another.

But only Bush Jr. has ever said repeatedly.......


God WANTED me to be President.


That attitude, and the fundamentalist CHRISTIAN attitude running rampant breaking down our separations between church and state, making it hostile for all other religions and those who choose no religion, or even those with moderate views of the dominant religion.....is what scares me most.

I'm not worried about some measly culture course in any one religion. I'm worried that people wont be able to get ANY culture lesson except those sanctioned by the state. A state run like a near theocracy. With a flat out tyranny of the majority. However slim that majority may be.

But that is happening, and it is "Christianity" that is the "tyranny of the majority". Thats what IS happening in THIS country. Right here in my face. With Bush at point, in the highest office, with the most powerful pickaxe tearing down our balance of equality and tolerance.

So everyone.....please excuse me if I ignore Iraq, Afganistan, Al-Queda, and Osama.

When the world is the way it is, and information can be spread so easily...along with misinformation....It bothers me to know that outright bogus comments like "EEEKK!! ISLAM IN CA SCHOOLS!!!" are made as an attempt at propaganda. Propaganda to incite insecurity when there is NO insecurity.

Stupid things like that start wars. In hearts, minds, and our streets. OUR streets! Not Iraq, Afganistan, or some other BFE part of the world.

Take about 35 Veras, and a handful of Roberts holed up like David Koresh at Waco, let the dimwits at the FBI and ATF forget to kill the coax with the cable internet. A few hours of this BS "save us poor persecuted Christians!!" emails, blog posts etc. And every freaking nutcase Koresh, and Pat Robertson from Ruby Ridge to the local, soon to be bombed, Planned Parenthood clinc will come out of the woodwork!! (thank the powers that be Koresh DIDNT have the internet at the time!! Oklahoma City would have been a wasteland!!)

We have these kinds of attacks on our own soil all the time. Based on what? Fundamentalist CHRISTIANS.

So once again....everyone.....

Please...oh...soo sorry.....if you feel offended that I dont think Iraq was such an important place to go.

And be.

Right now.

Things have been going on long before 9/11 Where innocent lives have been lost. They were not Muslim. They were not from another country. They had/have no oil. (other than the Bush family on some of their Texas holdings)





Shall I get into the 6 million+....

(ESTIMATED!!!...Robert! Dont get into a numbers tizzy and start asking me to show proof how far it is to my local INS office or something stupid along those lines. We all know you have the best smoke machine. No need to keep showing it off.)

...invaders from other countries that are here illegally. Remember...the ones Bush wants to ignore and just let stay.

I'd say that would be second on my list next to this home grown fundamentalist Christain garbage.

So...Vera can you tell me (not like I havent asked before...but you never answer)......

Just what is it, or what combination of things do you think that we non-christian (including non-christians...and non-faith.....well just everyone non-christian should be clear enough!!)heathens are taking away from you?? Or are you just aggrivated that we exist at all?
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#288 Consumer Comment

Oh stop Vera.....sheesh!

AUTHOR: Ben - (U.S.A.)

Vera,

That last post has to be your most pathetic.

You say we dont like your "facts"?

You have shown....NONE!

Then you go on to say I am the only one keeping this "Islam in CA schools alive"?

Get real!

As I have already explained many times...I left....then was hunted down on a Circuit City site by Robert....when I mentioned a little formula just as Robert does to me about who/what/where and used it as an EXAMPLE just like ROBERT did to ME about this Islam thing....ROBERT went off and has not ceased.....THEN YOU SHOWED UP ABOUT IT...ON THE CIRCUIT CITY THREAD!!

Now "B" has stated many times she is no ally of mine. Yet Robert has even gone as far as saying we were the same person at one point. And now your saying shes taking my place??

Once again...GET REAL!

Then on you go abou this "Islam thing" again. When I havent even been here for over a week. And you STILL havent even shown proof. (of course you always say you have....then suddenly changed your story like Robert and said "we cant post links cuz Ed the Editor wont let us....boo h*o!")

Now your going back to your "oh we poor persecuted Christians" thing again!!????

Thats what started it in the first place!....NOT ME!!!

When you pulled out this "oh we poor persecuted Christians" garbage the first time is the same point on this site that you made your outrageous claim of "SEE! they are forcing Islam in California schools" BS to bolster it!!!!!

Go back to worrying about "Islam being forced on our children Vera.

Go back to worrying about gays getting the right to marry.

Let real people in the country with brains worry about the real issues like Iraq, Bush, etc.

Your priorities are obviously all out of wack and completely without anything to back them up.


P.S. I really love that line you made to "B" about not liking your "proof" and "facts". Little hint there Vera, you need to SHOW SOME FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE ANY DECISION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. Whats your excuse going to be this time? A. I already showed you (which we cant find) or B. Ed wont let me post the link (which everyone else seems able to do)
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#289 Consumer Comment

Finally got a free moment to get on....

AUTHOR: Vera - (U.S.A.)

So you want to be my chum, eh?

Not particularly. Your "neutrality" appears to be in a strangely constant state of malleability. I don't know what to make of it. Are we like the calico cat and the gingham dog, or would we be fast friends?" A bit of both, I thinkor not.

Here, fishy, I've got a nice spot for you right in the center of the cove.

Nuthin' fishy about this gal; for one, I'm willing to learn from my missteps, but I have to be shown in a solid or provable way. For two, I bathe. Y'want fishy, go to the women's' bath houses at some local beach [shuddering!Maybe you could take a trip to Tupper and James could show you the yummiest ones.]...Lord knows, it's why I wouldn't use em!

Not that I was doing so in that instance, but you would find it utterly backward of me to reach out to my enemy with friendship?

Not anymore than I would suggest one reach out to civility and decency by being nasty and judgmental. But I was more alluding to the fact that you had previously commented to the effect that Ben's comments were "the height of absurdity." However, I did go back and re-read your original comment, and realize that I may have spoken more hastily than I should; I had initially read your post under (what I thought was) a severe time-limit, and didn't take the proper time to process its meaning before I had Rebuttaled.

Now to me, backward would be closing one's eyes to the light of reason, clinging blindly to rapidly sinking fables, and calling this faith. Funny how people's notions about words differ.

Funny how people's admonitions differ, too. I vaguely recall in one post how you suggested that I demonstrate enough compassion, as a person of faith should be ready to "minister" when someone "cries out for the opportunity to witness". Incidentally, I don't call a belief system that's stood for over two thousand years a rapidly sinking fable.

And what makes placing one's reliance on the "current best guess" a more noble practice? You have your gods, and I have mine.

My chides' for Ben's outlandish statements stand.

Well they should.

You make your own share of outlandish statements.

I feel differently, but you're welcome to your critique.

One that you seem particularly fond of lately is the one that Clinton was the only prez to be a pardoned felon, and an exemption was made for him to be the only prez who hasn't served in the military.

Actually, wouldn't that title be better placed on this whole "Muslim Taught in California Schools" Frankenstein, rather than me reciting an old dig that I use to pick on Clinton (And by extension, his worshippers)?

Now, I've warned you several times that most of your info on ol' BJ is incorrect. How funny that you choose for your 'favorite' one that has absolutely no truth in it at all. Zero.

Well, If I am wrongand I never said it wasn't possible, it's just less likely for me than that same honor resting at the feet of James or Ben---then so be it; teach me and show me where I'm wrong and do it with the class I have come to show a shred of respect to you for having. And I notice that no one (on the left side) has really jumped to the defense of the WRONG info that was given alluding to the false allegations made regarding Bush's Military record. Or that we're in this whole war over a Bush ploy to make himself and his friends rich (the basic original burp of this whole d**n Report!). How about that whole Bush stole the election---TWICE! crap?

As far as "warning someone that most of the info on ol' BJ is incorrect", I believe your one comment to me was to the tune of "If you can show me that Clinton was worse than Nixon, I'll leave you be." And I did show you instances where Clinton makes Nixon look like a Choir Boy.

There is not and never has been a requirement that the president have military service. It doesn't even make sense; that would require the VP, every member of congress, and every cabinet member to have military service, since all are potentially in line for succession.

Excuse mebut I never said that every member of Congress or Cabinet, etcetera had to have a military term; only the President, that I knew of. (I can assume that it would also imply that the Vice President would as well, in the possibility that he'd have to serve as President, if something unfortunate would keep the President from fulfilling his duty.)

Not that it will stop you from using this example. Like many conservatives, you never let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good sounding argument.

I see that this same logic works for you (or any liberal and many Democrats), also.
Again, where's all this ire about the bullshit claims made against Bush? I've mentioned ad nauseum that I'm not his biggest fan; I have specified that I don't agree that everything he does is golden. I do believe that we went to war for good reasons (and last I heard, September is NINE months from January, not six, James; that's why we write a numerical date as 9-11 in the case of SEPTEMBER ELEVENTH. It was AFTER the Ninth Month (and the attacks) began, that we went to war in Iraq. Just so you know.), and that if certain events were handled differently in the past, that things wouldn't be the way they are today.

All that aside, we have had an impact on some of the evil that came from there (Saddam, Moussassoui, Zarqawi). I hope to one day hear that they've found the rotting remains (or a fresh kill, preferably as miserable and as gory as possible) of Bin Laden. Or maybe, that he'll be found alive and held in a New York prison, where he will be sodomized (objects are optional) and beaten daily.

In addition, while I'm not the keenest on the way things are handled in the media, I think it's still a worthwhile effort to support the Troops. More important than demonizing the President. Even worse, over the price of gas.

Like when it was pointed out that Janet Reno had no agenda to teach masturbation to school children. You just dropped her name and continue to make the claim, that b***h that tried to insert masturbation as a subject in health.'

Actually, I believe I mentioned that I appreciated the correction. A rose by any other name would smell just as sweetand it doesn't change the fact that it happened. Check it outthe civil liberal was even surprised that I wasn't nasty with him. And why should I be..? I was in error, and acknowledged it.

As for my saying that you and Robbie boi have offered any valid points or proof on this issue, lol, I think not. If I even hinted at such a thing, I was just trying to be nice.

Hmmmmmmhhharen't you a little too smug just to be nice? What happened to reaching out to an enemy with friendship? Is the concept of friendship such a spectre that it's more a matter of believing in ghosts to you? Is the act of friendship--as well as its respective attempts--only extended to fellow liberal Acolytes? If it ain't real, keep your nice to yourself. Too many fakers and takers in this world, iffen y'ask me.

Actually, I believe I tried to point out to you when you first posted this story, that the source was suspect, and it was probably more spin than fact. As for proof, you have provided none, nada, zilch, zippo.

You'd be the last person I'd truly suspect of that damnable selective blindness, B.. But you yourself admit that you stopped reading the he-said-she-said missives between Ben and I long ago. Oh, and also, I re-iterate; my proof is as valid to me as yours is to you. Just because you don't like my sources or beliefs doesn't mean they're completely worthless.

I'm simply pointing out the FACT that the 3 of you have been trolling each other in circles for the past several months. Its going nowhere and really needs to stop. Does anybody reading this disagree? Can I get a witness?

And I gladly agree that this had previously and has currently been dragged on far longer than it should have. Perhaps if it wasn't resuscitated and regurgitated on multiple Reports and their associated Rebuttals, it would have been left here to stay. With the exception of Report number 154773 here (and it ended when Ben left!), each and every instance of Islam in California schools mentioned in other Reports is exclusively the result of Ben's doing.

Apparently, there's a lot happening that you don't, or won't, see. Perhaps the reason there's no outrage is WE DON'T BELIEVE IT HAPPENED. And the only people shoving Islam in MY face are you and the folks who write and read your "news" sources. And I'm not talking about the ones that slant or shade the news, but the ones who make it up as they go along.

You mean like the liberal media, worst of all, the New York Times?
And you're welcome to believe that. Just because it's not important enough to you in your belief (or lack thereof), doesn't mean it's not important to me in mine. I don't agree that it's just nothing.

ROFLMFAO! Funny how you start the paragraph NOT being a victim, but end up with that same ol' "Christianity in Chains" victim mentality.

[Funny how it's a "Cultural Enrichment Encounter" for one religion (Like Islam), and "Proselytization" for another (like Christianity).] I'm not claiming to be a victim, as you've led yourself to believe; I'm pointing out that I'm willing to stand up for what I believe, whether it's popular or not. Care or don't, believe it or not, that choice lies with you. I am indifferent.

Where do you see me trying to play the victim's role here? I asked a valid question, and like so many others, you evaded and turned to point at me. Sadly, I will clarify. Again. (Not that it'll bring anything forward, because I suspect another chide is coming my way.) I find it especially galling that you and Ben fuss about what a bad thing having a Christian-Based Faith is (and make retarded claims based on a joke, or the fact that our President has mentioned that he prays or that God speaks to him in his heart), but it's okay for a teacher, paid by the Taxes that are supposed to fund a Public School, to teach kids about another religion. Where's the Separation of Church and State Crowd when you need em?

Again; I do not want any religion to be a spoon-fed, State guided lesson in any Public School, in any stateOhio, California, Maine, Maryland Florida, or ANYwhere. If we give the State or Government any means or right to control who we desire to worship (or to worship at all), we surrender one of the most precious controls of ourselves the most ill-fitted for the job. This is something that was pointed out in a letter written to the Danbury Baptist Committee by one of the Founding Fathers and I, too, embrace that belief.

Perhaps you can explain something I've been wondering about for awhile. Why is it that the only way most "contemporary" Christians can "defend their position" is by twisting and distorting the truth? Must not be much of a position if you ask me. And do they really think they are, indeed, defending anything, rather than just stroking their own egos?

Why don't you ask the liberal media for the answer to that one? I feel they are far more qualified, as they seem pretty adept at making up the news as they go along, creating lies and gossip and calling it reality. It is a fact because it's what you want to hear. You knowthe exact same you and yours are accusing me of doing, but it's because it conflicts with the s**t you're being fed, so that makes it bad and wrong.

Speaking on must not be much of a position if you ask me, the same could be said for a person who gets all pissed off and fired up simply because someone mentions God, yet this same uses the name God and Christ, or Good Lord as modifiers or emphasis when badmouthing others.

The point I was trying to make is that some are called to be strippers for Christ and some are called to be vicious attack dogs. You go where your calling leads you.

I'm a reptile personand like the Church fundraising Car Wash, many are called, but few are hosin'. I'm not here looking for converts, as I'm not a very good example of what people should perceive as a good Christian. But then again, I've never once tried to convince anyone I'm a saint.

On the other hand, you have never managed to prove yourself right, at least not on this issue.

Well, if what I have provided in my Megagrams of writ isn't enough, feel free to research for yourself. I found several sources (and mentioned them here), figuring that it was enough; you want more, Ben wants more, find it for yourselves.

Because you knew that anyone going to that report to find info on Circuit City would really want to read 7 pages of you ranting at and about Ben; they would otherwise walk away feeling incomplete.

First of all, it's five pagesnumbers can be your friends! How about that!---and who are you to decide what others do? If they want to read it, fine, if they don't, fine. I think it's up to the reader and not you to determine what is to be done.

You had no desire to pursue Ben, yet there you are.

He [Ben] wants to pick a fight behind my back, I'll turn and fight there too. I know I have provided truthful, solid information. Ben is too goddamn lazy to read it, so he simply denies its existence. Just about as sensible as the way Ben not only went to a different Report and stalked Robert, called him out, distracted from the subject specifically to attack Robert, he also openly admitted to trying to find Robert outside of the Internet and these Reports (in yet still another Report!). Now what would you suppose the reason is for that? Crank phone calls, nasty surprises in the mail?

Ben started it, and he alone is responsible for keeping it going. We all know the best way to get rid of a troll is to feed it regularly in as many different locations as possible.

I can easagree that it was Ben who started it. I imagine there's a reason he's dragging this dumb quarrel everywhere, and I'm sure you're right in your sarcasm as to his intent.

Yes, you posted some very alarmist articles that are pure BS and, furthermore, offer no PROOF of anything.

A matter of your opinion. See my previous comments regarding how I feel about my sources being as valid to me as yours are to you.

Coupled with some very selective cut and paste from the STUDY GUIDES that accompany the textbook.

Selective how? I went for the course section that dealt mainly with Islam and its subject matter. Let's review.

So let's look at "Across the Century", Bennie. (from: [add the 'dubyas'!] eduplace.com/ss/hmss/7/laag/99/3.2.html)
Here's the study-guide.

Where did I say it wasn't a study guide, B.? Actually, I believe I even mentioned that it was a study guide. More specifically, it is the study guide for the book, Across The Centuries, which was the text in question and the one I specifically referred to. Just so you know it, a study guide is the template from which a teacher guides the class in its course of study, hence the term, Study Guide; it is intended to mirror the text, for one, and it is the viewpoint from which the material is to be dished up to the students.

And thank you, for providing information that's just as scathing about some texts trying to introduce Christianityit only lends credibility to the neutral nature of a good source. In a similar fashion, I have repeatedly stated that I do not wish to have ANY form of religion taught in public schools; I believe that a person should choose their direction as their spirit and their heart leads, be that choice Muslim, Christian, atheist, or even if they choose to be gay. I really could care less as to what others believeit's when they try to attack what I believe and force me to change, or call me narrow minded because my beliefs differ from theirs and I won't see things their way.

Something else I thought I'd regurgitate, as I never had as many issues with Clinton until I came to this board and started researching him.

Prior to President Bush taking office, during the Clinton administration, the Calif. Dept. of Education would only fund Houghton Mifflin's "Across the Centuries." With California's endorsement, this textbook has been gaining ground nationwide. In the October 30, 2000 issue, Forbes magazine observed that Delaine Eastin, California's superintendent of public instruction, "sought and received campaign contributions from textbook publishers." Unbelievably "Across the Centuries" had California's exclusive endorsement these past 11 years.

"Clinton's signature of "Religious expression in public school" paved the way to secure finances for other religious "education" aka proselytizing.'

And I'll bet you'd never think I'd find another way to tie Clinton into this sorta thing, didja?; D

You have provided little in the way of fact, certainly no GLARING fact.

Sigh. Your opinion. The only difference is that I'm somehow wronger because you and yours don't like what I choose to read.

Can we get a consensus here? If I log all the reports the three of you have rebutted, can I declare one of you to be the winner and put an end to it all?

Funny, I thought that was a matter of each person's personal choice and self-governmentI was willing to let it go long ago, until I found it being used on other Reports.

Yawn! More of the I'm a victim. I have no control over my own actions.' mentality.

What.did I vote Democrat or suddenly turn into a liberal? [Looking myself over, hugging my ribs and feeling for a wind-up key on my back.] Whew! Nope. Thank God. Yawn! More of your opinion.

But how can I aspire to bask in the glory of The Great Minds of the RipOffReports?

This is, of course, a far cry from your initial charge that they were forced to worship Allah and play a Jihad game.

Well, truthfully, I used the more dramatic terms (in my own commentary) to mimic the feigned paranoid tones of Ben's Bush said he wants to be a dictator over America! He wants it to be a theocracy because he said he prays! Aside from that, I printed the article and what's in the article is there.

Well, Vera, I think I'll start another rebuttal, and go back and take a look at the "facts" you've posted, and we'll see if they amount to anything.

You go ahead and do that. You're not the first one to call me a liar, and I doubt that you'll be the last. We all know how you'll make sure it pans outmuch like Dan Rather's document on Bush's military record, it's geared to be steered in a direction you'll want. After all, anything that's wrong, but seeks to further what the liberals want, will never make the news according to the Big Three. It's only newsworthy if it seeks to bash Republicans, Conservatives, or anyone the Liberals don't like. Bush is bad because he's had friendly dealings with the main family of Bin Laden (who have disowned Osama more than twenty years ago), but Carter can go smoke on Castro's Havana with Cindy She-Hag (who hasn't even taken the time from her grandstanding to give her precious son a lousy headstone to mark his grave). And they're heroes.

I'm sure that Ben's just as happy as can be, now that you're gonna fight in his place. Speaking of feeding trolls as often as possible, and in as many different places as possiblenow you're even guarding his bridge and collecting his goats for him. How nice.
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#290 Consumer Comment

Give me a break from the sanctimonious anti-government BS

AUTHOR: B. - (U.S.A.)

You speak of the freedom of dignity, yet you want to feel good for giving some poor schmuck who's down on his luck the crumbs from your table. Or worse, consign him to beg from the church who will only help him if he's 'moral' enough. Your personal devil, BJ Clinton, tried to transform the federal welfare system from a hand out to a hand up, but the Republican Congress refused. He did wring one concession out of them - a 5 year cap on benefits. Which means that since shortly before Bush took office, most of the people on welfare are on the state dole, not the federal.

You think you shouldn't be punished for success, but you want to punich Kennedy, Kerry, and Turner for theirs? Give ME a break!
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#291 Consumer Comment

Read my lips... N. O. W. M. D.

AUTHOR: B. - (U.S.A.)

OK, one more time for the deaf, dumb, and blind boy. What does the M stand for in WMD? These shells, discarded remnants of the Iran/Iraq war found scattered around Iraq, have not been capable of MASS destruction for at least 10 years. The Sarin has decomposed, and the Mustard turned to jelly. Would I want my kid to play with them? Hell no, Mustard is still Mustard even if its not in a dispersible form, and the components of Sarin, while probably less dangerous as a nerve agent than one of your farts, would still be poisonous if swallowed. So, no WMD, just some old discarded artillery rounds. I could do more damage with a gallon of bleach and a gallon of ammonia.

I struggled through the Saddam Dossier on your "fair and balanced" website. My God, this is even worse than the stuff they air. LOL! We have this guy whose major 'claim to fame' is that he worked as a civilian shift supervisor for an ISG translation sweatshop in Qatar. He is analyzing for us the translation of the disjoint passages from a notebook that belonged to someone we know nothing about. Toward the end, its like listening to one of those JFK conspiracy theorists. If we consider these passages from some unsubstantiated documents that were 'leaked' to a reporter, in conjunction with passages from some other documents, and assume this, and take that for granted, then it becomes obvious that Saddam and Usama were working hand in hand on the edge of the sand.

If these notes are to be believed at all, the only thing they clearly show is that some bad guys from Pakistan met with some guys from Iraq to request Iraq's assistance in mediating the conflict in Afghanistan, and to propose several grandiose plans for future cooperative efforts. The Iraqis are mostly interested in eliciting Pakistan's support in the Security Council.

No, I think I'll have to go with the opinions recently expressed by several currently active senior analysts, and that of the 9/11 commission, all of whom have access to ALL of the intel gathered.
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#292 Consumer Comment

I liked his rebuttal

AUTHOR: Dan - (U.S.A.)

Yes Cuba is great in the winter but under the liberals utopian philosophy even better (for them not me). Lead by power control and a sheep hearder of humans. That is NOT AMERICA!!! Big Government taking care of you from womb to tomb is NOT THE AMERICAN WAY!!! Working for the government to get crumbs from their table???? What are you liberals thinking? I work to for my family to enjoy the freedom of expression the freedom of dignity, If my son or daughter fails sometimes well I encourage them to try again. I like the freedom to fail or succeed. If I find success then no way should I be punished but if I fail then no way should some government guy bail me out with others money. My fault time to try again. Guess what? In numberous times of failer I AM SUCCEEDING!!! and not on government bailing me out with taxes on the working man. Is John Kerry hurting? Ted Kennady has he gave his money to the poor? Ted Turner is he broke from his charity? Oh just a few examples of hypocrocy many more out there. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
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#293 Consumer Comment

Let's get back on track, shall we?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Out of respect for Ed's rules, I will only copy and paste the info, and tell you where to find it. Of course, this same trick confounds some individuals, as it is so easy to see where the info is actually from.

Use FoxNews, and look for the Saddam Dossier. You will find a page that contains:

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD
"Saddam Dossier" Archive
Was Saddam Regime a Broker for Terror Alliances?
June 26, 2006
Documents Support Saddam-Taliban Connection
June 23, 2006
Documents Support Saddam-Taliban Connection
June 16, 2006
Terror Links to Saddam's Inner Circle
June 12, 2006
Documenting Saddam's Link to Terror
June 11, 2006

For the mentally impaired, the actual link is http://www.foxnews.com/column_archive/0,2976,146,00.html.

If ED zaps the link, it's simply because he is enforcing his own rules. Some of us understand that.

I know some of you will immediately disregard anything FoxNews has to offer, because they are not the overt mouthpieces for the DNC, like all the other news channels and networks. Amazing at best. One channel out of about 12 has BOTH liberals AND conservatives(fair and balanced), and the libs get all fired up about the "slant" FoxNews puts out there. Riiiiight.

They say the same about talk radio. As long as the people could only get one side(the liberal spin), everything was great. Now they suck hind-tit in every ratings poll there is. Is Air America still on? Are they still stealing money from the Boys Club to pay stations to air their drivel? So sad.

As for WMD's. They found them. You may wish to ignore them since the 500 artillery shells filled with Mustard and Sarin are pre gulf War, and degraded, but answer this honestly. Would you want your child playing with them? Would you want them buried in your backyard? No? Is it because the stuff is still dangerous? DUH! The French still dig up unexploded shells from WW1 and use full MOPP gear to handle them. After 90 years, the stuff is still dangerous.

Of course, I gave the info on the WMD's they found a long time ago. It's feels so good to be right all the time. ;)
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#294 Consumer Comment

Let's get back on track, shall we?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Out of respect for Ed's rules, I will only copy and paste the info, and tell you where to find it. Of course, this same trick confounds some individuals, as it is so easy to see where the info is actually from.

Use FoxNews, and look for the Saddam Dossier. You will find a page that contains:

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD
"Saddam Dossier" Archive
Was Saddam Regime a Broker for Terror Alliances?
June 26, 2006
Documents Support Saddam-Taliban Connection
June 23, 2006
Documents Support Saddam-Taliban Connection
June 16, 2006
Terror Links to Saddam's Inner Circle
June 12, 2006
Documenting Saddam's Link to Terror
June 11, 2006

For the mentally impaired, the actual link is http://www.foxnews.com/column_archive/0,2976,146,00.html.

If ED zaps the link, it's simply because he is enforcing his own rules. Some of us understand that.

I know some of you will immediately disregard anything FoxNews has to offer, because they are not the overt mouthpieces for the DNC, like all the other news channels and networks. Amazing at best. One channel out of about 12 has BOTH liberals AND conservatives(fair and balanced), and the libs get all fired up about the "slant" FoxNews puts out there. Riiiiight.

They say the same about talk radio. As long as the people could only get one side(the liberal spin), everything was great. Now they suck hind-tit in every ratings poll there is. Is Air America still on? Are they still stealing money from the Boys Club to pay stations to air their drivel? So sad.

As for WMD's. They found them. You may wish to ignore them since the 500 artillery shells filled with Mustard and Sarin are pre gulf War, and degraded, but answer this honestly. Would you want your child playing with them? Would you want them buried in your backyard? No? Is it because the stuff is still dangerous? DUH! The French still dig up unexploded shells from WW1 and use full MOPP gear to handle them. After 90 years, the stuff is still dangerous.

Of course, I gave the info on the WMD's they found a long time ago. It's feels so good to be right all the time. ;)
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#295 Consumer Comment

Let's get back on track, shall we?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Out of respect for Ed's rules, I will only copy and paste the info, and tell you where to find it. Of course, this same trick confounds some individuals, as it is so easy to see where the info is actually from.

Use FoxNews, and look for the Saddam Dossier. You will find a page that contains:

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD
"Saddam Dossier" Archive
Was Saddam Regime a Broker for Terror Alliances?
June 26, 2006
Documents Support Saddam-Taliban Connection
June 23, 2006
Documents Support Saddam-Taliban Connection
June 16, 2006
Terror Links to Saddam's Inner Circle
June 12, 2006
Documenting Saddam's Link to Terror
June 11, 2006

For the mentally impaired, the actual link is http://www.foxnews.com/column_archive/0,2976,146,00.html.

If ED zaps the link, it's simply because he is enforcing his own rules. Some of us understand that.

I know some of you will immediately disregard anything FoxNews has to offer, because they are not the overt mouthpieces for the DNC, like all the other news channels and networks. Amazing at best. One channel out of about 12 has BOTH liberals AND conservatives(fair and balanced), and the libs get all fired up about the "slant" FoxNews puts out there. Riiiiight.

They say the same about talk radio. As long as the people could only get one side(the liberal spin), everything was great. Now they suck hind-tit in every ratings poll there is. Is Air America still on? Are they still stealing money from the Boys Club to pay stations to air their drivel? So sad.

As for WMD's. They found them. You may wish to ignore them since the 500 artillery shells filled with Mustard and Sarin are pre gulf War, and degraded, but answer this honestly. Would you want your child playing with them? Would you want them buried in your backyard? No? Is it because the stuff is still dangerous? DUH! The French still dig up unexploded shells from WW1 and use full MOPP gear to handle them. After 90 years, the stuff is still dangerous.

Of course, I gave the info on the WMD's they found a long time ago. It's feels so good to be right all the time. ;)
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Let's get back on track, shall we?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Out of respect for Ed's rules, I will only copy and paste the info, and tell you where to find it. Of course, this same trick confounds some individuals, as it is so easy to see where the info is actually from.

Use FoxNews, and look for the Saddam Dossier. You will find a page that contains:

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD
"Saddam Dossier" Archive
Was Saddam Regime a Broker for Terror Alliances?
June 26, 2006
Documents Support Saddam-Taliban Connection
June 23, 2006
Documents Support Saddam-Taliban Connection
June 16, 2006
Terror Links to Saddam's Inner Circle
June 12, 2006
Documenting Saddam's Link to Terror
June 11, 2006

For the mentally impaired, the actual link is http://www.foxnews.com/column_archive/0,2976,146,00.html.

If ED zaps the link, it's simply because he is enforcing his own rules. Some of us understand that.

I know some of you will immediately disregard anything FoxNews has to offer, because they are not the overt mouthpieces for the DNC, like all the other news channels and networks. Amazing at best. One channel out of about 12 has BOTH liberals AND conservatives(fair and balanced), and the libs get all fired up about the "slant" FoxNews puts out there. Riiiiight.

They say the same about talk radio. As long as the people could only get one side(the liberal spin), everything was great. Now they suck hind-tit in every ratings poll there is. Is Air America still on? Are they still stealing money from the Boys Club to pay stations to air their drivel? So sad.

As for WMD's. They found them. You may wish to ignore them since the 500 artillery shells filled with Mustard and Sarin are pre gulf War, and degraded, but answer this honestly. Would you want your child playing with them? Would you want them buried in your backyard? No? Is it because the stuff is still dangerous? DUH! The French still dig up unexploded shells from WW1 and use full MOPP gear to handle them. After 90 years, the stuff is still dangerous.

Of course, I gave the info on the WMD's they found a long time ago. It's feels so good to be right all the time. ;)
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