• Report: #160917

Complaint Review: Grantham University

  • Submitted: Sat, October 15, 2005
  • Updated: Wed, January 29, 2014

  • Reported By:San Diego California
Grantham University
Slidell, LA Slidell, Louisiana U.S.A.

Grantham University - Credits Are Useless At Other Reputable Universities ripoff, worthless credits, non-tranferable, not military friendly Slidell Louisiana

*Consumer Comment: To each his own

*Consumer Comment: Grantham is not a good school

*Consumer Comment: Update to My Previous Post Grantham University

*Consumer Comment: Grantham University is Different

*General Comment: Grantham Worked for Me

*UPDATE Employee: Grantham degrees are not accepted by governmental organizations.

*General Comment: A Student of Grantham College of Engineering

*Consumer Comment: Wide Brushes Miss the Mark

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Motivational My A**

*UPDATE Employee: Sad is right

*UPDATE Employee: Sad is right

*UPDATE Employee: Sad is right

*UPDATE Employee: Sad is right

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Sadly MW is right

*Consumer Suggestion: ATTN : READ READ READ!!!!!!

*Consumer Comment: DETC Accreditation

*Consumer Comment: Grantham

*Consumer Comment: Grantham is a fine University

*UPDATE Employee: Grantham is a complete waste

*Consumer Suggestion: Penn State is not a transfer option, but there are still other good transfer possibilities..

*Consumer Suggestion: Penn State is not a transfer option, but there are still other good transfer possibilities..

*Consumer Suggestion: Better Options for Distance and Online Learning

*Consumer Comment: Did some checking up

*Consumer Comment: Research on Grantham University

*Consumer Comment: Good for you Ray

*Consumer Comment: The state Governments do accept DETC credits

*Author of original report: To "Ray"

*Consumer Comment: All governmental agencies accept DETC Credits

*Consumer Comment: All governmental agencies accept DETC Credits

*Consumer Comment: All governmental agencies accept DETC Credits

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Info from a former employee

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Grantham is not a good choice for military

*Consumer Comment: I have no problem with the fact that other schools will not accept credits from Grantham.

*Consumer Comment: DETC Schools are recognized by the U.S. Dept of Education

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I have been a student of Grantham University for the past two semesters. Since Katrina, their customer service has been lacking. While I understand this and feel for them, I needed to make sure that I was able to continue my education. Being in the military, I decided to check on my other options. This is where is gets ugly. I spoke to four other schools, UoP, SDSU, Fort Hays State, and University of CA. All four schools said that they would not accept credits from Grantham University. This upset me so I dug further. The local State Government will not accept their degree either as well as other high profile employers in the area. When I spoke to Matt in admissions, I was told that they were accredited. I found out that they were, but by the DETC and not one of the regional agencies, which means that the credits that I have earned are worthless if I wanted to transfer to another school, and the degree itself is also worthless if I decided to stay with the school. I wanted to warn all of the other military service members who may be looking into Grantham to look twice and ask around. Other schools will tell you that they will not accept Grantham credits. Grantham put a list of schools that do accept their credits on their website. I called over half on that list and was told that they only accept a select few credits, and that most of the courses are not recognized. Students beware; this school is not what it seems.

Jason
San Diego, California
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

To each his own

AUTHOR: Rob - ()

Being one of the relatively few people to attend Grantham and actually graduate with a Bachelor's Degree I can say that many of these statements about the school are incorrect.

The school is a "For-Profit" college and all potential students need to understand what this means as far as the differences with "Non-Profit" colleges.  No, the school is not regionally accredited.  However, this does not mean that the school is "worthless" as some have said.  It just means that if you are not going to finish at Grantham, don't start!  Grantham is accredited by the DETC and is in the process of regional accreditation. 

As far as the validity and worth of a Grantham degree....If you do start at Grantham and graduate, your degree is just as valid as if it were to come from any other college.  Employers don't usually care where your degree comes from, ESPECIALLY if you are a military veteran/retiree.  Most understand that in order to get a degree most military students must attend a non-traditional school.

To answer another allegation, a degree from Grantham WILL enable you to move on to grad school.  I am currently enrolled in a Master's program at the University of San Diego based on my Grantham degree.  So fear not, USD is a top-notch private, non-profit college!

There have been allegations made about student representatives never being the same.  This may be true for some, but i had the same student rep for four years.  She was very helpful and concerned.  She was so helpful, in fact, that she has been invited to my Master's graduation!  I could have never completed my degree without her help and concern.

All that being said, Grantham IS a "for-profit" college and their primary goal is to make money.  They can be very frustrating at times and their policies change far too often.  The fact that the school does not have any uniform policies concerning late assignment penalites, course duration/scheduling, or login requirements IS very frustrating and (IMO) unprofessional.

The long and short of it is, Don't get involved with ANY school without knowing ALL of the in's and out's.  Also, understand that NO school will make you COMPLETELY happy.  You will ALWAYS have some frustration.  The key is do YOU feel you are learning and getting something out of the course load.  If the answer is yes, keep going and learn.  If the answer is no, move on quickly and stop wasting your time.

The bottom line is to know what it is that you are getting into BEFORE you sign a contract or obligate money and if you make a decision, don't run around with buyers remorse; make the best of it and press on.  Remember, stop blaming others for YOUR failures and buyer beware! 

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#2 Consumer Comment

Grantham is not a good school

AUTHOR: Delco - ()

I took 3 classes with this school and it was crap.  Any national accredited school should be looked at as a waste of time and money.  The military does now accept a NA degree for OTS but it hasn't always.  The war probably had something to do with the change. 

If they were a good school they'd be able to get regionally accredited, plain and simple.  I've done other online programs that were 10x harder than grantham--there's a reason these schools are looked down upon in the education community.  They're rip offs that manipulate their customers and steal money from the government.  The ciriculum is awful, there's very little challenge and you basically have to not do anything to not get an A.  

It's a diploma mill plain and simple and I'd never hire someone with a crap degree like this. It's like  
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#3 Consumer Comment

Update to My Previous Post Grantham University

AUTHOR: Benoliwal - (U.S.A.)

I just wanted to make something clear. When Grantham University was Grantham College of Engineering they did not cater to the military. Apparently this is what Grantham University and its current ownership and management did, they began to exclusively cater to military personnel. Whenever this is done, you can expect that there is some type of rip off, and that their accreditation isn't what it used to be.

I was disappointed when I found Grantham University. I was searching for Grantham College of Engineering, the school I attended up until about 1999. When they moved to Slidell Louisiana they were still pretty good, and very strict regarding students.

But for Grantham University, I do find Grantham University well below what Grantham used to be under the name of Grantham College of Engineering, and that is too bad. It was once a fine distance learning school.
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#4 Consumer Comment

Grantham University is Different

AUTHOR: Benoliwal - (U.S.A.)

I am a former student of Grantham. I was a student when they were originally known as Grantham College of Engineering and were out of California, before they moved to Slidell Louisiana. Grantham University is much different than what it was. It was basically an engineering school, electronics. The courses were top notch.

Engineering math was just as rigorous as any college or university. Calculus, Laplace Transforms, and the entire gamut of engineering math, and the material, the courses I would have put against any engineering school, or school offering or having electronics engineering course work.

As far as having credits accepted at other colleges or universities. Unless you plan on transferring it doesn't matter whether your credits are accepted or not. It is what a previous person responded. Some schools will accept the credits and some won't, but it still doesn't matter. D.E.T.C is recognized by our government as a legitimate accrediting agency for distance learning. Here is the rub. Many people, and that includes colleges and universities still look down on distance learning. They think that brick and mortar is the only legit way.

Distance learning with a school that is D.E.T.C accredited is a legitimate school, and that means its courses must meet standards for a post secondary school. You should never expect D.E.T.C credits to be accepted by schools that are accredited by the traditional accrediting bodies, and that does not mean that the education you receive in a D.E.T.C accredited school is less than.

The only down fall of a D.E.T.C education is that you don't get to have the lab work that you would get in a traditional brick and mortar school. Grantham College of Engineering held its own, but it has changed since becoming Grantham University.

Bottom line: If you plan on completing your specialized education through a distance learning school, it really does not matter what traditional schools say or do. Your degree from a D.E.T.C accredited school like Grantham College of Engineering was, was top notch, and you could get employment in engineering.

Other D.E.T.C accredited schools that live up to the accrediting standards are also good schools to attend and graduate from, but just like in the traditional schools, you must watch out for those schools who's standards have slipped, or weren't there in the first place.

I would suggest to the fellow who initiated this discussion about Grantham University, that he continue and complete it, and get his degree. That  D.E.T.C. degree will open doors for you, but you must first have faith in yourself, otherwise your degree won't do you any good at all.
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#5 General Comment

Grantham Worked for Me

AUTHOR: Hound13 - (United States of America)

Im a 1LT in the Army, and honestly if it wasnt for Grantham Id never had considered becoming an officer, let alone going to college.  I am of a generation that saw college as a waste of time and couldnt stand the people with degrees.  I had spent three years in the Army by time I decided to go back to school originally, and the caliber of people going turned me off to the point that I didnt decide to go to school again until 6 years later. 

Grantham may not have the best accreditation, but if you are determined to get a degree for use as an Officer or Soldier in the Military, they work fine.  I attended Grantham for my entire bachelors degree and am now working on my Masters.  All of the instructors were more than willing to work with me if I had a work conflict; one going so far as to allow me to finish an 8 week course in 4, the instructor herself commenting on my posts so I could get full credit for my discussions. 

Like most things, you have to let them know youre going to miss class or be late.  Reasonable exceptions were always made for me, even when I wasnt able to tell the instructor the day of or even the day after something was due.  If not, that was on me.   

If you decide to go to Grantham you have to be a couple of things;

-A self starter who doesnt mind having to learn some things on their own.

-Are going to finish your degree at Grantham so you dont have to worry about transfer credits.

-Someone responsible enough to let the instructors know when there is a job conflict, and plan accordingly.  This means possibly working twice as hard to finish the class before you deploy/go to MIL school/ head to the field.

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#6 UPDATE Employee

Grantham degrees are not accepted by governmental organizations.

AUTHOR: Jake - (United States of America)

I am a current instructor for Grantham University.  I often find myself struggling morally continuing my employment with this "college," as the credits turn out to be virtually worthless in the long run. 

Without regional accreditation, the degree is simply a piece of paper.  It cannot be transferred to any other school, it cannot be used to prove credentials for a job, and it cannot help you move into graduate study.  Basically, you are stuck with large bill, and no job prospects.

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#7 General Comment

A Student of Grantham College of Engineering

AUTHOR: WaltonBennie - (United States of America)

I was a student of Grantham College of Engineering before they name changed to Grantham University. Back then the school was no ripoff and the courses in engineering and engineering mathmetics was tough. But let me tell you, distance learning is not for everyone. Distance learning is for people who will teach themselves with some assistance from the teachers, but learning is basically up to the student. Distance learning is much rougher than traditional schools because you are basically on your own.



How much you learn and how well you learn depends on your willingness to sit down and hit the books all by yourself. At age 64 I am thinking about taking up another degree program with Grantham University. I won't be as shocked or let down as some of you are because I know what distance learning is all about. I like the challenge. There is no teacher to teach you. There are no lectures. There is none of the things you would find in a traditional school. Distane learning is rough and it is not for everyone.



Having said what I have said, I do recognize that Grantham University under a different management than what I was under is having problems, and that students not accustomed to distance learning will become highly frustrated. As far as the management is concerned, it is up to the students maybe with some outside help to impress upon the school that the management ways of the school need to change, and better change. Such managerial behavior is tearing down a school and name that produced great courses.



Last: What's with all this transfering? Stick with one school and complete your education with one school. Most employers will accept your degree, and that is the only thing you should be concerned about, not the ability to transfer this or that. If distance learning is too rough for you, then don't ever get into it again, and for those of you considering, know this, distance learning is rough because there is no one but you. Your learning overall depends on you and how well you study alone. Take that into consideration before you opt for distance learning.

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#8 Consumer Comment

Wide Brushes Miss the Mark

AUTHOR: Ray V. - (U.S.A.)

I just finished my BS from Grantham University! The negative "findings" experienced by Jason is unique to him. I believe you (Jason)...but you cannot apply what happened to you and use a wide brush to indicate that it will occur to all other students. Just a point about your GPA...it is easy to attain a 3.8 when you only have a few courses under your belt. You cannot tell me the tests were easy because they were open book tests. I struggled with plenty of the tests and felt my 3.77 GPA was honestly earned. I did receive a C with one of my courses and I don't consider myself dense. I've graduated with honors for my AA degrees at regionally accredited schools as well distinguished graduate at one of my professional military courses.

I had almost instant communications with my student representatives as well as the instructors for the specific courses. I have never experienced what you have. I am in the process of university shopping for my master's degree. I am more than likely going to attend Webster University in Washington D.C. for their Masters Degree in Management and Leadership. I will not have any issues with credit transfers. Webster is regionally accredited. There are plenty of other legitimate universities that will accept transfer credits from Grantham. Oh, and by the way, Webster allows students to take tests home to complete them open book.

Jason, a bit of advice...be persistent and focused. You will attain what you desire. I wish you the best with your journey for higher education. Take care.

Ray
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#9 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Motivational My A**

AUTHOR: Ex - (U.S.A.)

The wheelchair guy was a joke, who was twitching his legs the entire time. You could tell he could walk.

Grantham's morale is so low, how can customer service be any good.

The staff who know what they are doing, will leave as soon as the contract is up. Really the "bonus" wasn't worth it.

The few advisors who are any good to the students are punished for not getting enough TAs, because they are too busy actually helping a student.

Training is poor at best. Communication between departments is worhtless, too much animosity.

Grantham lost many loyal employees. The rest will leave. All that will be left are the worthless management and the "used car salesman".

It makes me sick Grantham left La. for profit and would not return, hurting Slidell's economy. The road: Grantham College road needs to be renamed for something that helped rebuild.

The people suffering are the students.
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#10 UPDATE Employee

Sad is right

AUTHOR: S - (U.S.A.)

I'm currently employed by Grantham. What people are saying is sad, but true. All of it. That's why people are quitting at an alarming rate. I came up from Slidell, LA. after the storm. My home was damaged in the flood. They did help us out by getting us some housing, but the abuse they gave us never stopped. They were still threatening us with being fired if we did not meet goal. Tom, DeAnn and George all acted like asses. They recently fired Roy, the President of the University and brought in some flake. They lied to all of us. Temporary move, yeah right. The office in Slidell that did not flood was up for lease after the roof was repaired.

What is really sad is that Military students come to us wanted something that will help them for the future. What they get is a degree that is looked down on by the majority of employers out there, and not accepted by 95% of the Regional schools.

Before the storm, they would hire "Motivational Speakers" to try to pump us up. Some people actually had something to say, most were just wind blowers who gave speaches. We once had a guy in a wheel chair that wheeled all around the stage talking about how he was hurt while drunk driving. At the end, he got up and walked around. WTF is that about?!?!?! What does that have to do with our students!?!?!? Tom and DeAnn were trying anything at that point to pump up morale and it still did not work. Then Katrina came.

When I moved up there, I was told that we would be moving back in a few months. I was not in a hurry because my home was damaged. 3 months turned into 6, and 6 turned into a year. Now, they are never going back. My home is repaired now and I long to return to it. I'm going to be leaving here soon.

Grantham only cares about one thing. Profit. That's all. Students leave voice mails, and those messages go unanswered. They are left hanging out there, and then they get a nasty e-mail from us telling them they are not making progress. Grantham only cares about the bottom line. Before the storm, there was close to 50 enrollment advisors, but only about 6 progress advisors. What does that tell you? After the storm, it got even worse. Dont get me started on how admissions is treated. DeAnn is a witch who is disrespectful to all of her employees, even the ones she likes. It's no wonder she lost so many employees after the storm. No one wanted to work with her any more. George is a little better. At least he jokes around with his employees, but he can be just as bad. Tom (the owner of Grantham) is a total flake. Enough said.

When I first started working at Grantham, I was told that we were here to help students reach their dream. What a line that was. I bought it, hook, line, and sinker. I was once a loyal employee who loved to come to work. Now, I'm just here to get a paycheck so I can pay my bills, and I hate feeling this way.
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#11 UPDATE Employee

Sad is right

AUTHOR: S - (U.S.A.)

I'm currently employed by Grantham. What people are saying is sad, but true. All of it. That's why people are quitting at an alarming rate. I came up from Slidell, LA. after the storm. My home was damaged in the flood. They did help us out by getting us some housing, but the abuse they gave us never stopped. They were still threatening us with being fired if we did not meet goal. Tom, DeAnn and George all acted like asses. They recently fired Roy, the President of the University and brought in some flake. They lied to all of us. Temporary move, yeah right. The office in Slidell that did not flood was up for lease after the roof was repaired.

What is really sad is that Military students come to us wanted something that will help them for the future. What they get is a degree that is looked down on by the majority of employers out there, and not accepted by 95% of the Regional schools.

Before the storm, they would hire "Motivational Speakers" to try to pump us up. Some people actually had something to say, most were just wind blowers who gave speaches. We once had a guy in a wheel chair that wheeled all around the stage talking about how he was hurt while drunk driving. At the end, he got up and walked around. WTF is that about?!?!?! What does that have to do with our students!?!?!? Tom and DeAnn were trying anything at that point to pump up morale and it still did not work. Then Katrina came.

When I moved up there, I was told that we would be moving back in a few months. I was not in a hurry because my home was damaged. 3 months turned into 6, and 6 turned into a year. Now, they are never going back. My home is repaired now and I long to return to it. I'm going to be leaving here soon.

Grantham only cares about one thing. Profit. That's all. Students leave voice mails, and those messages go unanswered. They are left hanging out there, and then they get a nasty e-mail from us telling them they are not making progress. Grantham only cares about the bottom line. Before the storm, there was close to 50 enrollment advisors, but only about 6 progress advisors. What does that tell you? After the storm, it got even worse. Dont get me started on how admissions is treated. DeAnn is a witch who is disrespectful to all of her employees, even the ones she likes. It's no wonder she lost so many employees after the storm. No one wanted to work with her any more. George is a little better. At least he jokes around with his employees, but he can be just as bad. Tom (the owner of Grantham) is a total flake. Enough said.

When I first started working at Grantham, I was told that we were here to help students reach their dream. What a line that was. I bought it, hook, line, and sinker. I was once a loyal employee who loved to come to work. Now, I'm just here to get a paycheck so I can pay my bills, and I hate feeling this way.
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#12 UPDATE Employee

Sad is right

AUTHOR: S - (U.S.A.)

I'm currently employed by Grantham. What people are saying is sad, but true. All of it. That's why people are quitting at an alarming rate. I came up from Slidell, LA. after the storm. My home was damaged in the flood. They did help us out by getting us some housing, but the abuse they gave us never stopped. They were still threatening us with being fired if we did not meet goal. Tom, DeAnn and George all acted like asses. They recently fired Roy, the President of the University and brought in some flake. They lied to all of us. Temporary move, yeah right. The office in Slidell that did not flood was up for lease after the roof was repaired.

What is really sad is that Military students come to us wanted something that will help them for the future. What they get is a degree that is looked down on by the majority of employers out there, and not accepted by 95% of the Regional schools.

Before the storm, they would hire "Motivational Speakers" to try to pump us up. Some people actually had something to say, most were just wind blowers who gave speaches. We once had a guy in a wheel chair that wheeled all around the stage talking about how he was hurt while drunk driving. At the end, he got up and walked around. WTF is that about?!?!?! What does that have to do with our students!?!?!? Tom and DeAnn were trying anything at that point to pump up morale and it still did not work. Then Katrina came.

When I moved up there, I was told that we would be moving back in a few months. I was not in a hurry because my home was damaged. 3 months turned into 6, and 6 turned into a year. Now, they are never going back. My home is repaired now and I long to return to it. I'm going to be leaving here soon.

Grantham only cares about one thing. Profit. That's all. Students leave voice mails, and those messages go unanswered. They are left hanging out there, and then they get a nasty e-mail from us telling them they are not making progress. Grantham only cares about the bottom line. Before the storm, there was close to 50 enrollment advisors, but only about 6 progress advisors. What does that tell you? After the storm, it got even worse. Dont get me started on how admissions is treated. DeAnn is a witch who is disrespectful to all of her employees, even the ones she likes. It's no wonder she lost so many employees after the storm. No one wanted to work with her any more. George is a little better. At least he jokes around with his employees, but he can be just as bad. Tom (the owner of Grantham) is a total flake. Enough said.

When I first started working at Grantham, I was told that we were here to help students reach their dream. What a line that was. I bought it, hook, line, and sinker. I was once a loyal employee who loved to come to work. Now, I'm just here to get a paycheck so I can pay my bills, and I hate feeling this way.
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#13 UPDATE Employee

Sad is right

AUTHOR: S - (U.S.A.)

I'm currently employed by Grantham. What people are saying is sad, but true. All of it. That's why people are quitting at an alarming rate. I came up from Slidell, LA. after the storm. My home was damaged in the flood. They did help us out by getting us some housing, but the abuse they gave us never stopped. They were still threatening us with being fired if we did not meet goal. Tom, DeAnn and George all acted like asses. They recently fired Roy, the President of the University and brought in some flake. They lied to all of us. Temporary move, yeah right. The office in Slidell that did not flood was up for lease after the roof was repaired.

What is really sad is that Military students come to us wanted something that will help them for the future. What they get is a degree that is looked down on by the majority of employers out there, and not accepted by 95% of the Regional schools.

Before the storm, they would hire "Motivational Speakers" to try to pump us up. Some people actually had something to say, most were just wind blowers who gave speaches. We once had a guy in a wheel chair that wheeled all around the stage talking about how he was hurt while drunk driving. At the end, he got up and walked around. WTF is that about?!?!?! What does that have to do with our students!?!?!? Tom and DeAnn were trying anything at that point to pump up morale and it still did not work. Then Katrina came.

When I moved up there, I was told that we would be moving back in a few months. I was not in a hurry because my home was damaged. 3 months turned into 6, and 6 turned into a year. Now, they are never going back. My home is repaired now and I long to return to it. I'm going to be leaving here soon.

Grantham only cares about one thing. Profit. That's all. Students leave voice mails, and those messages go unanswered. They are left hanging out there, and then they get a nasty e-mail from us telling them they are not making progress. Grantham only cares about the bottom line. Before the storm, there was close to 50 enrollment advisors, but only about 6 progress advisors. What does that tell you? After the storm, it got even worse. Dont get me started on how admissions is treated. DeAnn is a witch who is disrespectful to all of her employees, even the ones she likes. It's no wonder she lost so many employees after the storm. No one wanted to work with her any more. George is a little better. At least he jokes around with his employees, but he can be just as bad. Tom (the owner of Grantham) is a total flake. Enough said.

When I first started working at Grantham, I was told that we were here to help students reach their dream. What a line that was. I bought it, hook, line, and sinker. I was once a loyal employee who loved to come to work. Now, I'm just here to get a paycheck so I can pay my bills, and I hate feeling this way.
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#14 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Sadly MW is right

AUTHOR: Ex - (U.S.A.)

Sadly M.W. I know everything you are saying is true. This behaviour started right before the hurricane. I wanted to slap BK, LM, TT, and a few others so many times for check your spam filter. TAs TAs TAs. Quality customer service should have been the goal. Great!, we have all these TAs but I have 30 voicemails full of pissed off ignored students. Don't get me started on the ridiculous spreadsheet h*ll.

Grantham, however is a business. Poor management should not be a reflection of the product on the whole.

Grantham does offer real degrees. They are not ripping off the military. The University can and sometimes is a good tool for the military life. Sadly, poor management is running Grantham down. Good employees are not recognized, only the ones who kiss the proper *ss. The people suffering are the students.

Intelligence is not a requirement to be an employee. The few of us who possesse it, constatntly had (and still have) our eyebrows raised, wondering can this idiot be serious.

Enjoy your last GU days... and the forget the word TA. You will be happier for it.
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#15 Consumer Suggestion

ATTN : READ READ READ!!!!!!

AUTHOR: Henry - (U.S.A.)

IF ANY MILITARY PERSONNEL LEARNS OF A SCHOOL THAT IS SET OUT TO RIPOFF MILITARY PERSONNEL.

YOU SHOULD CONTACT ncc@cnet.navy.mil

THIS PERSON DIRECTLY. THE MORE PEOPLE THE QUICKER THE SCHOOLS MILITARY ENROLLMENT WILL BE DENIED. TO THE FORMER WORKER. IF YOU FEEL GUILTY ABOUT THIS MATTER I AM ASKING YOU TO CONTACT THE NAVY EDUCATION CENTER DIRECTLY. WE NEED YOU TO HELP MILITARY PERSONNEL FIGHT BACK AGAINST SCHOOLS LIKE THIS. ANYONE WITH ANY INFORMATION OF GRANTHAM UNIVERSITY RIPPING OFF STUDENTS PLEASE CONTACT THE ABOVE EMAIL
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#16 Consumer Comment

DETC Accreditation

AUTHOR: Max - (U.S.A.)

I just wanted to throw my 2 cents in on this issue. As indicated by someone above, the HETA agreement has resulted in over 200 regionally accredited colleges and universities that will accept DETC accredited institutions' credits for transfer and their bachelors degrees as a basis for enrolling for masters degree programs.

If any of these institutions will not accept Grantham's credits, then it would be strictly because they do not believe Grantham's Academics are up to par in spite of their DETC accreditation. HETA removes the national vs. regional barriers of credit and degree transfer, but the schools are free to reject credits for other reasons.

I graduated from a DETC accredited college and I am eligible for Master's degree programs at so many Regionally Accredited schools that I'm having a hard time deciding. I sent transcripts to Capella, St. Leo, and University of Northern Alabama (all regionally accredited schools) and have been accepted for all three. Now I just have to pick one. The only reason I'm not mentioning my school by name is because I don't want to drag it's name into this rip-off discussion.

I'm not rebutting the assertion that Grantham's Credits are "worthless," but I definitely have to point out that DETC accredited institution's degrees are not worthless as a whole. All U.S. federal government jobs are open to DETC accredited degreeholders and all Florida state jobs are open to degree holders from institutions accredited by nationaly accredited (like DETC) institutions. From what I can tell this is true of most other states as well. I am sorry that Louisiana requires a regionally accredited degree for state jobs. If that is true, then they are out of step with the rest of the country, but then that is generally true of anything in Louisiana because of the French legal/political/social traditions there. My best friend lived ouside of New Orleans for 3 years, 20 years ago, and he claims it was like living in another country. I guess I'd better add that when I said "all" federal and Florida state jobs above, that excludes some professions like medicine, law, and engineering that have to have seperate accreditation from a professional association. Almost all professional associations, will only accredit regionally accredited institutions.

So in closing, I don't think you necessarily made a mistake going to a DETC accredited school, the mistake may have just been in choosing Grantham. I grant you that you could have gone to any regionlly accredited school and had much less problem transferring though. If you go to a DETC accredited school you have to have a plan for your future education and make sure that the DETC accredited school fits into the plan.

Here is a list of the regionally accredited schools that will accept DETC credits for transfer and will also accept the bachelors degrees toward post-graduate degrees (the list is growing). These colleges and universities can be proud to have demonstrated that they are forward-thinking, progressive institutions.

Adelphi University (Garden City, NY)
Arcadia University (Glenside, PA)
Bloomfield College (Bloomfield, NJ)
Bucks County Community College (Newtown, PA)
California University of Pennsylvania (California, PA)
Capitol College (Laurel, MD)
Cayuga Community College (Auburn, NY)
Central Pennsylvania College (Summerdale, PA)
College of Notre Dame of Maryland (Baltimore, MD)
College of Southern Maryland (La Plata, MD)
Columbia Union College (Takoma Park, MD)
Cumberland County College (Vineland, NJ)
Delaware State University (Dover, DE)
Dowling College (Oakdale, NY)
Edinboro University of Pennsylvania (Edinboro, PA)
Felician College (Lodi, NJ)
Harrisburg Area Community College (Harrisburg, PA)
Hilbert College (Hamburg, NY)
Keystone College (La Plume, PA)
Lackawanna College (Scranton, PA)
Lincoln University (Lincoln University, PA)
Marywood University (Scranton, PA)
Medaille College (Buffalo, NY)
Mohawk Valley Community College (Utica, NY)
Mount Saint Mary College (Newburgh, NY)
Neumann College (Aston, PA)
Pennsylvania Highlands Community College (Johnstown, PA)
Saint Peter's College (Jersey City, NJ)
Salem Community College (Carneys Point, NJ)
Seton Hill University (Greensburg, PA)
Slippery Rock University of Pennsylvania (Slippery Rock , PA)
Sullivan County Community College (Loch Sheldrake, NY)
Thiel College (Greenville, PA)
Trocaire College (Buffalo, NY)
Universidad Adventista de las Antillas (Mayaguez, PR)
University of the Virgin Islands (St. Thomas, VI)
West Chester University (West Chester, PA)
American Indian College of the Assemblies of God (Phoenix, AZ)
Appalachian Bible College (Bradley, WV)
Argosy University (Chicago, IL)
Arkansas Tech University (Russellville, AR)
Ashland University (Ashland, OH)
Bay Mills Community College (Brimley, MI)
Bellevue University (Bellevue, NE)
Bellin College of Nursing (Green Bay, WI)
Capella University (Minneapolis, MN)
College of Lake County (Grayslake, IL)
College of Saint Benedict (Saint Joseph, MN)
College of Saint Benedict / Saint Johns University (Collegeville, MN)
College of the Southwest (Hobbs, NM)
Cornerstone University (Grand Rapids, MI)
Cuyahoga Community College (Cleveland, OH)
Deaconess College of Nursing (St. Louis, MO)
DICKINSON STATE UNIVERSITY (DICKINSON, ND)
Divine Word College (Epworth, IA)
Drake University (Des Moines, IA)
Everest College - Phoenix (Phoenix, AZ)
Faith Baptist Bible College and Theological Seminary (Ankeny, IA)
Franklin College (Franklin, IN)
Franklin University (Columbus, OH)
Friends University (Wichita, KS)
Grace University (Omaha, NE)
Grand Rapids Community College (GRAND RAPIDS, MI)
Great Lakes Christian College (Lansing, MI)
Harry S Truman College (Chicago, IL)
Herzing College (Madison, WI)
Indiana University East (Richmond, IN)
Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis (Indianapolis, IN)
Ivy Tech State College-Central Indiana (Indianapolis, IN)
Jackson Community College (Jackson, MI)
Kankakee Community College (Kankakee, IL)
Kansas City Art Institute (Kansas City, MO)
Kansas Wesleyan University (Salina, KS)
Lake Region State College (Devils Lake, ND)
Lake Superior State University (Sault Ste. Marie, MI)
Laramie County Community College (Cheyenne, WY)
Lexington College (Chicago, IL)
Lincoln Christian College and Seminary (Lincoln, IL)
Lindenwood University (St. Charles, MO)
McKendree College (Lebanon, IL)
Mesalands Community College (Tucumcari, NM)
Midstate College (Peoria, IL)
Millikin University (Decatur, IL)
Mohave Community College (Kingman, AZ)
Morningside College (Sioux City, IA)
Morton College (Cicero, IL)
National Park Community College (Hot Springs National Park, AR)
New Mexico State University (Las Cruces, NM)
North Arkansas College (Harrison, AR)
Northcentral University (Prescott, AZ)
Northeast Iowa Community College (Calmar, IA)
Northwood University (Midland , MI)
Ouachita Baptist University (Arkadelphia, AR)
Regis University (Denver, CO)
Rio Salado College (Tempe, AZ)
Saint Johns University (Collegeville, MN)
Saint Mary-of-the-Woods College (Saint Mary of the Woods, IN)
Saint Paul College (St. Paul, MN)
San Juan College (Farmington, NM)
Southwest Baptist University (Bolivar, MO)
Southwest Missouri State Univeristy (Springfield, MO)
Southwestern Michigan College (Dowagiac, MI)
Southwestern Oklahoma State University (Weatherford, OK)
St. Louis Community College (St. Louis, MO)
Tabor College (Hillsboro, KS)
The University of South Dakota (Vermillion, SD)
University of Arkansas at Monticello (Monticello, AR)
University of Minnesota Duluth (Duluth, MN)
University of Northern Iowa (Cedar Falls, IA)
University of Phoenix (Phoenix, AZ)
University of Rio Grande (Rio Grande, OH)
University of Southern Indiana (Evansville, IN)
University of Wyoming (Laramie, WY)
Upper Iowa University -- Extended University (Fayette, IA)
Urbana University (Urbana, OH)
Vincennes University (Vincennes, IN)
Viterbo University (La Crosse, WI)
Waldorf College (Forest City, IA)
Walsh College (Troy, MI)
West Suburban College of Nursing (Oak Park, IL)
Winona State University (Winona, MN)
Colby-Sawyer College (New London, NH)
College of the Atlantic (Bar Harbor, ME)
Daniel Webster College (Nashua, NH)
Dean College (Franklin, MA)
Eastern Maine Community College (Bangor, ME)
ICHM Cesar Ritz (Suffield, CT)
Johnson & Wales University (Providence, RI)
Kennebec Valley Community College (Fairfield, ME)
Landmark College (Putney, VT)
Middlesex Community College (Middletown, CT)
Plymouth State University (Plymouth, NH)
Quinnipiac University (Hamden, CT)
Regis College (Weston, MA)
Southern Vermont College (Bennington, VT)
Southern Vermont college (Bennington, VT)
University of Maine at Farmington (Farmington, ME)
Urban College of Boston (Boston, MA)
Concordia University (Portland, OR)
Fort Belknap College (Harlem, MT)
George Fox University (Newberg, OR)
Heritage University (Toppenish, WA)
Olympic College (Bremerton, WA)
The University of Montana (Missoula, MT)
Truckee Meadows Community College (Reno, NV)
Utah State University (Logan, UT)
Western Governors University (Salt Lake City, UT)
Wright State University (Dayton, OH)
Agnes Scott College (Decatur, GA)
American Intercontinental University (Los Angeles, CA)
Asbury Theological Seminary (Wilmore, KY)
Barry University (Miami Shores, FL)
Brevard College (Brevard, NC)
Bryan College (Dayton, TN)
Cabarrus College of Health Sciences (Concord, NC)
Carolinas College of Health Sciences (Charlotte, NC)
Central Florida Community College (Ocala, FL)
Clear Creek Baptist Bible College (Pineville , KY)
College of the Mainland (Texas City, TX)
Community College of the Air Force (Maxwell AFB, AL)
Delta State University (Cleveland, MS)
East Tennessee State University (Johnson City, TN)
Elon University (Elon, NC)
Florida Christian College (Kissimmee, FL)
Florida National College (Hialeah, FL)
Haywood Community College (Clyde, NC)
Hiwassee College (Madisonvile, TN)
Lamar University (Beaumont, TX)
Lee College (Baytown, TX)
Life University (Marietta, GA)
Lincoln Memorial University (Harrogate, TN)
Magnolia Bible College (Kosciusko, MS)
Marymount University (Arlington, VA)
Miami Dade College (Miami, FL)
Mississippi Gulf Coast Community College (Perkinston, MS)
Motlow State Community College (Lynchburg, TN)
New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary (New Orleans, LA)
North Harris Montgomery Community College District
Northeast Texas Community College (Mt. Pleasant, TX)
Parker College of Chiropractic (Dallas, TX)
Pellissippi State Technical Community College (Knoxville, TN)
Pensacola Junior College (Pensacola, FL)
Regent University (Virginia Beach, VA)
Saint Leo University (Saint Leo, FL)
South College (Knoxville, TN)
Southwest Georgia Technical College (Thomasville, GA)
St. Andrews Presbyterian College (Laurinburg, NC)
Sul Ross State University (Alpine, TX)
Sullivan University (Louisville, KY)
Technical College of the Lowcountry (Beaufort, SC)
Thomas University (Thomasville, GA)
Troy University (Troy, AL)
Virginia Commonwealth University (Richmond, VA)
Virginia Highlands Community College (Abingdon, VA)
Walters State Community College (Morristown, TN)
Warner Southern College (Warner Southern College, FL)
Wayland Baptist University (Plainview , TX)
Wilkes Community College (Wilkesboro, NC)
City College of San Francisco (San Francisco, CA)
Feather River College (Quincy, CA)
Lake Tahoe Community College (South Lake Tahoe , CA)
San Diego City College (San Diego, CA)
Santa Barbara City College (Santa Barbara, CA)
California State University - Bakersfield (Bakersfield, CA)
California State University, Dominguez Hills (Carson, CA)
Hope International University School of Professional Studies
Pacific Christian College of Hope International University
Touro University International (Cypress, CA)
University of Guam (Mangilao, GU)
University of Judaism (Los Angeles, CA)
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#17 Consumer Comment

Grantham

AUTHOR: Jason - (U.S.A.)

I'm glad that the Army thinks so highly of your degree. All other schools that I have spoke with do not.

Thanks goes out to the employees that posted here also. It's good to know that I was not the only one that they treated badly, even though I'm sorry that they treated their employees just as bad. Good luck to all of you in your new careers. I'm happy now in my new school and have no doubt that my credits here will be taken seriously.
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#18 Consumer Comment

Grantham is a fine University

AUTHOR: George - (U.S.A.)

I received my commission in the U.S. Army four years ago, and he only degree I had was from Grantham. All of my credits I recieved have been successfully transfered to AMU. If Granthams degree if fine for the U.S. Army it's valid anywhere.

George
Captain, U.S.A.R.
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#19 UPDATE Employee

Grantham is a complete waste

AUTHOR: M. W. - (U.S.A.)

I am currently employed by Grantham and can go on for hours about how shady they are.

Admissions reps lie. Outright, they lie.

Student Progress has to take most of the heat because they are the ones that the students call when something doesn't happen and are left holding the bag when other departments don't do what they are supposed to.

Student services is completely useless.

The managers and team leaders are inept. They have no people skills and management skills are non-existent.

We are all about the money. All we hear ALL MORNING long is "Check your spam filters for TA." "We need XX TA forms to meet goal." "Call students that sent out Tuition breakdown emails to yesterday abour re-enrolling and see when they are sending in TA." It's non-stop.

When I was hired I was under the impression that we were here to help students and motivate them. Now I see it's about how many students I can contact in a day and how many TA forms I can get and that saddens me. I was not hired to mislead people. I honestly feel that I have no right asking for referrals when our customer service is lacking.

People are being fired left and right for *rocking the boat*. I see Granthm going down very fast and I won't be around to see the fireworks as I have turned in my resignation.
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#20 Consumer Suggestion

Penn State is not a transfer option, but there are still other good transfer possibilities..

AUTHOR: Sam - (U.S.A.)

The United State Department of Education (USDE) and the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) are the agencies who recognize accrediting bodies. DETC and the six regionals are equally recognized by both of these agencies.

In the past, transfer between DETC and regionally accredited schools was very difficult. However, the number of regionally accredited schools willing to accept DETC credits (such as those earned at Grantham) has been steadily increasing.

In fact, CHEA recently created something called the Higher Education Transfer Alliance (HETA). Over 200 regionally accredited institutions have voluntarily signed on this alliance. By doing so, they are indicating that they will not reject credits from another school simply because that school is accredited by a different but equally recognized body such as DETC.

Thus, there are plenty of regionally accredited schools that WILL accept Grantham credits. Unfortunately, as one poster above noted, Penn State is not one of them, and to the best of my knowledge, neither is Thomas Edison State College (imo a lousy rip-off school anyhow).

So, if you are looking to transfer your Grantham credits to a traditional college or university, your best bet would be to visit the CHEA website and search the HETA database of participating schools. CHEA's website can be found at www.chea.org. Once there, click on databases and directories, then search HETA, and see which schools in your area have signed on to the agreement.
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#21 Consumer Suggestion

Penn State is not a transfer option, but there are still other good transfer possibilities..

AUTHOR: Sam - (U.S.A.)

The United State Department of Education (USDE) and the Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) are the agencies who recognize accrediting bodies. DETC and the six regionals are equally recognized by both of these agencies.

In the past, transfer between DETC and regionally accredited schools was very difficult. However, the number of regionally accredited schools willing to accept DETC credits (such as those earned at Grantham) has been steadily increasing.

In fact, CHEA recently created something called the Higher Education Transfer Alliance (HETA). Over 200 regionally accredited institutions have voluntarily signed on this alliance. By doing so, they are indicating that they will not reject credits from another school simply because that school is accredited by a different but equally recognized body such as DETC.

Thus, there are plenty of regionally accredited schools that WILL accept Grantham credits. Unfortunately, as one poster above noted, Penn State is not one of them, and to the best of my knowledge, neither is Thomas Edison State College (imo a lousy rip-off school anyhow).

So, if you are looking to transfer your Grantham credits to a traditional college or university, your best bet would be to visit the CHEA website and search the HETA database of participating schools. CHEA's website can be found at www.chea.org. Once there, click on databases and directories, then search HETA, and see which schools in your area have signed on to the agreement.
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#22 Consumer Suggestion

Better Options for Distance and Online Learning

AUTHOR: Paschal - (U.S.A.)

I have been following several of these distance learning universities on the ripoffreport and have done a ton of research. Being a working adult with a desire to learn is getting more challenging every day.

I would definately skip Grantham simply because it is not regionally accredited. I could also list about 500 other schools that A) say they are accredited but are not and B) are accredited by the regionally accreditation body but seem to totally stink or cost way to much according to ripoffreport.

Here are the best schools that I have found out there right now:

The University of Maryland, Penn State and Regis seem to be the creme de la creme of online education right now. They are the top tier schools of distance learning.

I would, for the military, suggest schools like Saint Leo University out of FLA or Jacksonville University.

There is also worldwidelearn. Make sure you click on "All Universities" which is a clearing house for schools that do distance learning.

Another good rule of thumb. Catholic Universities do a lot of online degree programs (and I'm not promoting Catholicm). They are usually cheaper and better managed than other schools. They carry a wide variety of degrees from Business to Criminal Justice to, of course, Religion. They are also always regionally accredited.

I did my degree through one of these programs. I made sure that it would be accepted at a state school in case I wanted to pursue an advance degree (it was regionally accredited). I had no problem taking my BA and moving to an MS program at my local state university and now I will graduate with my MS in the fall.

My last suggestions would be "MAKE SURE THE SCHOOL IS REGIONALLY ACCREDITED" and "COST OF SCHOOL TO POTENTIAL INCOME EARNINGS ARE GOOD"..

Any other questions. Just rebutt!

Paschal
Savannah, GA
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#23 Consumer Comment

Did some checking up

AUTHOR: Jason - (U.S.A.)

I sent an e-mail to Penn State Great Valley about transfer credits being accepted from Grantham University. Below is a copy of that e-mail.

Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:14 AM
To: gvadmiss@psu.edu
Subject: transfer credits

I have been taking courses at Grantham University, A DETC Nationally
Accredited University. Generally speaking, do you accept credits from
DETC schools for transfer credits? Thank you for your asistance.


As you can see, the e-mail was sent after Mr. Jack posted his response. Below is the reply I received today:


Thank you for your interest in Penn State Great Valley.

Many accrediting organizations have been approved by the U.S. Department
of Education [USDE] and/or CHEA. The six regional accrediting
associations are the most academic in nature. Most universities in the
United States require regional accreditation before they will accept
another institution's courses and degrees.

Each higher education institution sets its own standards.

In order to be considered for admission to the Penn State Graduate
School, an applicant must have received from an accredited institution a
baccalaureate earned under residence and credit conditions substantially
equivalent to those required by The Pennsylvania State University.

Penn State accepts graduate applications from individuals who have
conferred degrees from institutions who have sought accreditation
through one of the 6 regional accrediting bodies identified below.

Middles States Assoc. of Colleges and Schools (PSU 's accreditation)
North Central Assoc. of Colleges and Schools New England Assoc. of
Schools and Colleges Northwest Assoc. of Schools and Colleges Southern
Assoc. Of Colleges and Schools Western Association of Schools and
Colleges

If Grantham does not have accreditation from one of the 6 regionals, you
would not be eligible to apply and the course work would not be
considered for transfer. In reviewing the Grantham web site, I could not
find a reference to this particular accreditation.


Kathleen G. Mingioni
Assistant Director of Admissions and Student Services
& Acting Registrar
Penn State Great Valley
School of Graduate Professional Studies
kgm2@psu.edu
610-648-3315

I think this speaks for itself.
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#24 Consumer Comment

Research on Grantham University

AUTHOR: Jack - (U.S.A.)

Jason -

I completely understand you point of view;however, you are not entirely correct in your statements about transfer of credits and /or degree to a regionally accredited school. I have contacted Drexel University (A regionally accredited school)and Penn State University Great Valley campus, they will both accept a Grantham degree to fulfill the undergrad requirements. Additionally, Westwood college also accepts DETC credits as does Thomas Edison State College and Strayer University.

With that said, acceptance is really up to the individual school, there are regionally accredited schools which will not accept transfers from other regionally accredited schools, for instance Community College of Philadelphia's credits will not be accepted at the University of California Berkley Online, but will be accepted by most schools of the same accrediting body or from the same general vicinity (i.e. Drexel University, Penn State, Villanova).


DETC degrees/credits are becoming accepted more and more as the online/distance degree market expands. There are also a few schools (Western Governors University being one) which is both regionally and nationally accredited.. guess you can't go wrong there..

Most of the information I have conveyed is up to date and from personal research.
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#25 Consumer Comment

Good for you Ray

AUTHOR: Jason - (U.S.A.)

I'm glad that you have found happiness with your degree. Which University did you receive your Masters from? I would like to check with them personally to see if they would accept the credits I earned at Grantham. So far, I have had no luck with any legitimate school accepting any credits from Grantham.

By the way, Grantham will not have to worry about selling me a degree. I already dropped out and have started taking courses at another school (which none of my Grantham credits would be accepted). I am very happy there and they treat me with respect, do not dump me into voice mail without calling me back (like Grantham did), actually challenge me with closed book tests (imagine that, a University that actually expects to me LEARN something), did not "used car" sell me, and does not charge me $250 a credit hour. I'm actally able to save my military Tuition Assistance and can take MORE classes with it due to a lower per credit hour rate. Even with books, I am WELL under what Grantham paid. I guess if you like taking the easy way out and taking open book tests, Grantham is the way to go. I guess if you like to be left on your own and not get return calls or e-mails, than Grantham is for you. For me, I'm very happy with where I am now.

Also, last time I checked, it was not slander if you could prove it. Nothing in my post was a lie, reguardless of what you think. You must have a need to justify where you went to school. Good for you Ray, what ever makes you feel better. Any students looking to go to Grantham, just do your homework. I'm not telling anyone NOT to go, I'm just letting them know what happened to me and some of my shipmates (Navy term, I would not expect you to understand). They had the same experience as I did. Take that for what it is. The others that have posted on this thread have already proven to me that I am not alone in how I was treated. Have a fine Navy day.
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#26 Consumer Comment

The state Governments do accept DETC credits

AUTHOR: Ray - (U.S.A.)

Jason, I am not now or have never been a Grantham employee but as a Graduate of the school, I have not experienced all the problems that you are say are happening. I completed my masters degree at a regional school which accepted by Detc degree and I work for the State Government of Virginia which also accepted the degree. There are many regional schools who will not accept other regional school credentials.I am sorry that you have had a poor experience but that may also of been caused by yourself.
I am sure we will see you here when you go to another school slandering them. Grantham will be much better off without you so please quit. I would hate to see that they graduated you!!
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#27 Author of original report

To "Ray"

AUTHOR: Jason - (U.S.A.)

Actually "Ray", I had a 3.8 GPA at Grantham. I found it quite easy to pass their tests. Being that they were all open book tests, it was rather easy to keep my GPA high enough. I was not leaving Grantham because I was failing out, I was leaving Grantham because their service was piss poor and I was lied to. I never said that the Federal Government would not accept a degree from Grantham. I said that my state government would not accept that degree (as well as LA where Grantham is from). If you dont believe that, take a moment and look it up youself.

I also said that most jobs accept a degree from Regionally accredited universities, which Grantham is not. I also stated that I found most school less than accepting (read, some even laughted when I mentioned "Grantham") of Grantham credits. I'm not asking the readers to accept my finding, I'm asking them to find out themselves.

From what I have read online already, Grantham is fond of having their employees post as students and attacking anyone that posts things against them. By the way you are attacking my post with no facts to back them up and name calling, it seems like you are one of the Grantham "thought police". The more you post attacks like that, the more people will see what Grantham is really about, so keep up the good work "Ray"!!!!!
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#28 Consumer Comment

All governmental agencies accept DETC Credits

AUTHOR: Ray - (U.S.A.)

Jason,

You are lying through your teeth. Tell the truth, you could not pass the required studies and are now angry at your lack of mental skills.
I have been accepted at many regional schools with my degree. I also have achieved a large income and career boost from the degree. I contacted the U.S. government myself and was assured that they do accept all dept. of Education accrediated degrees. So stop lying with every breath.

Also getting a response from a discharged employee. Their only jollies will be to get back at the employer that got rid of them.

You guys are a joke!!!
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#29 Consumer Comment

All governmental agencies accept DETC Credits

AUTHOR: Ray - (U.S.A.)

Jason,

You are lying through your teeth. Tell the truth, you could not pass the required studies and are now angry at your lack of mental skills.
I have been accepted at many regional schools with my degree. I also have achieved a large income and career boost from the degree. I contacted the U.S. government myself and was assured that they do accept all dept. of Education accrediated degrees. So stop lying with every breath.

Also getting a response from a discharged employee. Their only jollies will be to get back at the employer that got rid of them.

You guys are a joke!!!
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#30 Consumer Comment

All governmental agencies accept DETC Credits

AUTHOR: Ray - (U.S.A.)

Jason,

You are lying through your teeth. Tell the truth, you could not pass the required studies and are now angry at your lack of mental skills.
I have been accepted at many regional schools with my degree. I also have achieved a large income and career boost from the degree. I contacted the U.S. government myself and was assured that they do accept all dept. of Education accrediated degrees. So stop lying with every breath.

Also getting a response from a discharged employee. Their only jollies will be to get back at the employer that got rid of them.

You guys are a joke!!!
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#31 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Info from a former employee

AUTHOR: C - (U.S.A.)

I saw a link to this web site from a local site. I use to work for Grantham University. After Katrina, the school moved from Slidell, LA to right outside Kansas City, MO. We were told by the owner of Grantham, Tom Macon and our director, DeAnn Wandler that we would be up there for three months while they rebuilt our campus in Slidell. 3 months turned into six, and six turned into a year. When they hinted that we would not be going back, I resigned and moved back down to Slidell. We were all lied to.

When I first joined up with Grantham, I remember being told that this was a family operation. I was also told that they cared about their military students. I started noticing a trend right away. When I went through my initial Admissions Advisor training, it started to sound more like selling cars as someone put it. They emphasized the hard sell. They told us to get the application in on the first call. They told us to avoid any answers that would reflect negatively on Grantham. They told us that military people liked to be told what to do, and if you were forceful enough, they would do what you told them to do. When someone asked if credits would transfer to another school, we were told to tell them that "all schools accept credits differently", even though we knew that most would not. When someone asked why our tuition was so high, we were told to tell them "but that includes your books". We all knew the real reason was to get the most money out of the military because $250 was the maximum that they would allow per credit hour. Tom Macon wanted to squeeze every last bit of TA out of military students as fast as he could. I had students ask all the time why we charged $250 when other schools were only charging $150-$175 a credit hour. We had to tell them it was because of the books. Grantham gave the student "free books and shipping" and charged that to the military, even though Tuition Assistance was not suppose to be used for that. Grantham got away with it by saying that it was for tuition only and everything else was free.

It was all a numbers game. If you did not get a certain amount of student to enroll, you were fired, plain and simple. We were called Admissions Advisors, but we were really sales people. We did not advise anything. We were pushed to get people in at all cost. DeAnn use to work for University of Phoenix and it showed. She did not care how you got them; you just had to get students enrolled, at all costs. She had a thing she called the "Matrix". They would look at your enrollments, call time, amount of calls, etc. and if your numbers did not "add up", you would be fired. If you did not get enough outgoing calls, or not enough incoming calls, or your talk time was too low, she would write you up or fire you. It got so bad that many Admissions Advisors would keep a list of phone number that they knew were disconnected so that if their outgoing numbers were not high enough at the end of the day, they would call those disconnected number to get their totals up. They would also use *70 on their cell phone (so their number would not show up) and call themselves on the 800 number to get their incoming calls number up. To get our talk time up, we would keep a list of numbers that had automated operators and let the recording go on and on for 20-30 minutes so it looked like we were talking for a long time. It was really that bad. The reason we were not calling potential students you ask? That's simple. The leads that Grantham provided us were for the most part, crappie leads. We would buy them from Military.com or other sources and 90% of the leads only wanted info and were not looking to enroll. That was held against us as well. On several occasions, DeAnn would pull out old leads that were several years old and put them back in the system as new leads. I would call these potential students and would often hear that they requested info a year or two ago and had already ruled out Grantham and enrolled somewhere else. Management would always deny that they had done that, but when different potential students tell you the same thing, you add it up.

The thing I hated the worse was talking to Veterans. We were not allowed to tell them anything about their GI Bill benefits, even though we knew that they would not get their full benefits. Full benefits are over $1000 a month to go to school. Grantham veterans only received about $500 a month. You do the math at $250 a credit hour for a 3-4 credit hour course. The veterans could not afford to go to Grantham, and management knew it, but we were supposed to enroll them anyway and avoid the money questions. An enrollment for DeAnn was a number on the board. If they dis-enrolled at a later date, DeAnn would still get the enrollment number, and George Colon (Director of Retention) would take the hit. DeAnn knew this and worked that angle. We were supposed to send veteran students over to the Veteran Services department. Even the VA Department could not tell them about their benefits. Most advisors did not even bother calling Veterans because we would spend a lot of time on them and most would not enroll. Being a numbers game with our jobs on the line, we had to go with a more "sure thing".

Infighting was a big thing at Grantham. It seemed like every department was at odds with each other department. Retention and Admissions were always fighting, and Admissions was always fighting with Student Services. Tom would always tell us that Admissions was the "elite" department, but we never thought so. No one else at the school had to worry about their jobs like Admissions did. There were times when several employees were fired a week. You never knew if you were going to have a job when you walked in. Tom and DeAnn were both moody to say the least. You would never know if Tom was going to be in a bad mood and chew DeAnn out. And when DeAnn was in a bad mood, she acted like a 2 year old and stomped her feet and acted the fool. She treated us like children and was disrespectful to all of her employees at one time or another. She even assaulted one employee by pushing her. Last I heard, that employee was pressing charges. We use to go out to lunch and have "gripe sessions" with each other, just to blow off steam. When she heard what we were doing, she started assigning lunch times and told certain people that they could not go to lunch with other people. We still went out anyway.

I hope that this post is somehow useful to anyone looking at enrolling with Grantham. I actually felt guilty when I enrolled people, and still feel guilty to this day that I was forced to mislead students. If you are serious about getting your education, you would be best to look elsewhere. Get a degree at a Regionally Accredited school whose degree will matter when you graduate. This degree will follow you for a lifetime. Don't waste your time on something that will not help your career.
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#32 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Grantham is not a good choice for military

AUTHOR: Joshua - (U.S.A.)

I recently started the application process at Grantham, but quickly. Right off I could tell Grantham was ran more like a car lot rather than an educational institute. The lady assisting me wanted everything done on the spot and used the most elementary sales-psychology available. She even ran my past{school}credit-hours upstairs for immediate approval, just like a sales associate does at a car lot for credit approval.

Something that helped persuade my halt, was what
the educational officer told me at Ft Rucker,AL. She explained that a young girl was in there the other day crying because she spent all her GI
Bill on Grantham and there wasn't a Graduate school in the world that recognized her Grantham BA degree for Graduate studies. Also, most state and Government jobs will not recognize a nationally accredited school like Grantham.

On top of everything else Grantham is an expensive school! At $250 a hour you will be shocked at how fast your GI Bill goes. I loved the flexibility of Grantham, and I couldn't find anyone comparable to that..Then I discovered Independent Study programs at most major
universities. Now I'm taking classes from the University Of Nebraska- at my own leisure- at my own speed, for only $171 a credit hour! And of
course their regionally accredited.
The ONLY benefit to Grantham would be
for military progression only. The military does accept Grantham credits for commissioning programs and promotion points. But there are better and faster ways for that.

Bottom line- Grantham is nothing but a sales company trying to sell a worthless product. Of course people enrolled in the school will try to defend it, but they will realize soon enough. When I told the counselor that I was withdrawing my application and explained to her that while others have had to opportunity to go to college, I've been fighting in war for the past 4 years-in other words- I'm not looking to get screwed around. She replied by talking about how she loves the military and how she has two kids etc..Then stated "you need to send in those signed forms, ASAP".

Check this option out instead. Or check a school in your home state for independent
study. I found this to be the most compatible for the military.

http://independentstudy.unl.edu/programs

W01
U.S. Army
Ft Rucker, AL
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#33 Consumer Comment

I have no problem with the fact that other schools will not accept credits from Grantham.

AUTHOR: Jason - (U.S.A.)

My problem is with the fact that I was lied to and told that other schools would in fact accept those credits. If I had been told the truth, up front, I could have made an informed decision. I have spoken with other current and former students who were told the same. Many of whome felt like they were told this just so the Admissions Rep could get his/her quota of enrollments (read: rushed though the process, used car sales style). I have tried to contact the school recently and have been put to voice mail over and over. It seems as if once you are a student, no one cares to help you with your problems. Not that it would matter much, because none of the other schools that I have spoken with would accept the credits regardless who contacted them from Grantham. I can appreciate that a DETC school is good for working adults that can not go "traditional" schools. I am a working adult as well, and with my TA, I can go to any school that will accept me. Many of whome have on line instruction and are quite flexible. I would think that any adult wanting to further their career would want to attend a school thats credits would be acceptable to other high level schools. I contact the local government here, and was told that only Regionally accredited schools are accepted and that if I graduated from Grantham, I would not be able to work for ANY state level job. I have found that to be true of other state level positions in other states as well (Loisiana was one of them, and Grantham was IN Loisiana at one point, what does that say?). My point is this, when asked I was lied to by the school and told that my credits would be transferable, when I called back after I was enrolled and really put the screws to my progress advisor, I was told that not all schools accept Grantham credits. It's as if they told me one thing to get me in and then another once I was enrolled and had courses under my belt. I'm not happy about that, and I'm going out of my way to make sure that others in my position have the facts BEFORE they sign on.
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#34 Consumer Comment

DETC Schools are recognized by the U.S. Dept of Education

AUTHOR: Warren - (U.S.A.)

I would like to comment on this matter. The credits earned at a DETC Accredited college are legitimate. They are recognized by a variety of Regional colleges now. The first thing I would like to point out is that most of us folks who are attending a DETC college such as Grantham University are not going to be of the Traditional college student variety. Most of us are Adults working at least 1 job full time. Let's face it, at ____________ community college, you are not going to have the flexibility found at these distance learning institutions. Secondly, the comment that was made that the credits earned at this school aren't any good. Accredidation is a tricky deceitful and wicked game that these Schools play with each other. Notice I said Schools and not accrediting bodies. Accrediting bodies have not a d**n thing to do with all of these problems. All are equally recongnized by the U.S. department of Education. Wether it be North Central Assciation of Colleges, Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (SACS), DETC. Whomever it may be, I believe there are 5 or 6 of them. But it's not them causing all the fuss. It's the schools themselves choosing to be difficult with transfer students. The schools unfortunately are given enough lattitude to make transfer credit decisions on their own. And unfortunately the only ones who have hell to pay are the students. One could possibly challenge this and prove the curriculum to be equivalent or exceeding the standards. Otherwise you just eat the bullet. Unless you are trying to instuct at the professor level in a College university. The DETC degree is just as legit as the next. The military requires a bachelors degree for commissioned officers wanting to escalate any higher than the rank of captain. They are OK with DETC college degrees. Other working people could use a flexible detc degree to move up the ladder right there where they work. Enough said, the point being this: The external degree programs have their place in the industry. Unless you are a working adult you would probably go the traditional college student route. There is nothing wrong with that. But for those who can't be at class regularly, DETC accredited institutions are an option. Comparing distance learning colleges to Traditional is like Apples to Oranges. They are not one and the same. However in my opinion the schools need to stop with the "Our credits are better than yours!" It's childish and senseless. If U.S. Dept of Ed says it's ok, then everyone should agree it is ok. Just my two cents for anyone willing to read. Hope you aren't bored to death now. I am also newly enrolled Grantham student. Thanks.
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