• Report: #90267

Complaint Review: H. J. Martin And Son Inc.

  • Submitted: Wed, May 05, 2004
  • Updated: Tue, February 19, 2013

  • Reported By:algoma Wisconsin
H. J. Martin And Son Inc.
320 Military Ave Green Bay, Wisconsin U.S.A.

H. J. Martin And Son Inc. ripoff cheating lying do not trust with your job Green Bay Wisconsin

*Consumer Comment: What is standard?

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: H.J. Martin and sons does good work!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: HJ Martin - Lambeau Field - Green Bay Packers

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: employs qualified Wisconsin Union carpenters

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I work for H.J.martin and I have seen what kind of tricks they play on contractors. H.J. has leadmen telling the workers to use sub standard products. I worked at Lambeu field (home of the GREEN BAY PACKERS) and was told to use studs in walls that would not even hold the sheetrock onthe walls I was told to use sub standard anchors on soffits, i pray they don't come down.
I worked in parts of the building that had sub standard studs and they where 2 foot on center not the standard 16 inches.All i have to say is be carefull if you have them on your job

Mike
algoma, Wisconsin
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

What is standard?

AUTHOR: David - (United States of America)

Your comments seem like a disgruntled employee, and as a carpenter, estimator, project manager, I see flaws in your report. You see there are many "standards" when it comes to construction. When it comes to vertical stud framing there are height requirements that dictate the thickness/gauge material being used. There are also spacings of studs typically from your aforementioned 2' on center down to no space whatsoever. Your "standard" comment does nothing for me but indicate your utter lack of knowledge when it comes to such specifications. All studs will hold sheetrock up. They do not make one that won't Sir. As far as your fastener comment, it shows the same ignorance on your part. Either the fasteners pierced the framing and held, or you are still standing there holding them while I write this. I would tend to believe you are not standing there still. Now I have not been to this project, but have been to an NFL game and I would say the materials used must be up to par or the first time 50,000 fans went nuts in there it all would come crashing down. I would say (just a guess) that you were let go by this company because as a carpenter, hanger, finisher or whatever you were your lack of knowledge led to your demise.
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#2 UPDATE EX-employee responds

H.J. Martin and sons does good work!

AUTHOR: Garrick - (United States of America)

I worked for this company july, aug, and sep of 2010 in the Sacramento area. I worked hard and enjoyed the jobs giving me. I am an unemployed carpenter foreman and wish H.J. Martin had a project on this side of the country I could try and get on. I like their style, in this order safety, quality before quantity and pride in workmanship!
My view of the guys I worked for and worked with did not cut any corners or leave anything sloppy rather very professional quality workmanship with quality materials.
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#3 UPDATE EX-employee responds

HJ Martin - Lambeau Field - Green Bay Packers

AUTHOR: Stroker8ce - (U.S.A.)

I was manager of HJ warehouse during Lambeau project.  In big projects with big customers such as Green Bay Packers, they (Packers) purchase carpet & flooring direct from manufacturers, I was instructed to falsify inventory of carpet constantly to present to Packers monthly so HJ Martin could take draws (money $$$) from job  (I believe I even have computer records on cd-rom, accurate reports & false reports, I took work home).  The more carpet I could produce tagged for HJ Martin the bigger the draws company could take.  I was told repeatedly to lie or misdirect those representing Packers organization as far as inventory was concerned.  Also, I believe that in some cases we (HJ Martin) told Packers we needed more material & simply charged them again for material already sitting in warehouse shelves.    We even submitted claims to carpet manufacturer for flawed carpet & collected money & bonus carpet & still installed flawed materials.  (double dipping)  I even was instructed to lie to Paul Hornung (Packer legend) once concering a antique Cadillac that he purchased from owner of HJ under assumption that it belonged to Patrick Martin (2nd generation HJ Martin)  Owner of company purchased from web auction & had me present to Mr. Hornung as a family heirloom, when in fact car was purchased off internet, I even scraped the faer out of state park sticker from windshield moments before presenting to Paul Hornung.  This company is as crooked as its owner, he uses his deep pocketbook to get what he wants, a bit ironic thatr he (owner of HJ Martin) sits on Executive Board of Green Bay Packers).  I could use legal advice, I have incriminating company emails, pictures, etc from HJ Martin, like 4-5 cd roms (850 mb each), how can I publish these without prosecution, I never signed no compete clause, or confidentiality contract.
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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

employs qualified Wisconsin Union carpenters

AUTHOR: Edward - (U.S.A.)

H J Martin & Son, Inc. employs qualified Wisconsin Union carpenters to perform our work. We rely on their knowledge and experience on all of our commercial jobs. H J Martin & Son, Inc. is an established, respected company that has been in business over 75 years.

We install and finish according to the USG Gypsum Construction Handbook ad The Gypsum Association standards. If we didn't, we wouldn't be in business. We are respected in the community as well with all general contractors. We ask you to stop in and share your negative thoughts with the appropriate people don't hide behind fictitious names and cities. That only takes away the truth in your statements.
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