• Report: #1001675


  • Submitted: Wed, January 23, 2013
  • Updated: Thu, January 24, 2013

  • Reported By: NoExcuses — Orlando Florida United States of America
37 N Orange Ave Orlando, Florida United States of America

HSEC INTERNATIONAL HSE Security, Titan Security, JJ Howard, Lisa Howard Employment Scam, Selling Scam, Anything to Make $ Scam Orlando, Florida

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Poor, Poor JJ

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: More info

*Consumer Comment: It is a scam and crime

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I was interviewed by HSE Securities in late December of 2012 & followed through until mid-January of 2013, which I was far to long. If I'd known what I do now, I wouldn't have stepped a foot in the door on that 2nd day, so here I am, trying to help anyone else from making this mistake.

And Mr. Howard, before you complete a rebuttal slandering me, my work ethic, or issuing threats, just know I too have attorneys and any one of my former employers would be happy to stand in court for me.

So, first impression. I come into the office to a shared receptionist. Not too unusual, but I listen to her answer the phone for several different security companies. Hmmm. I arrive quite early for my interview, so I watch as several poorly dressed, meak & mild types go in for interviews. Thinking to myself, s****.). Note: during this days training, many things get me questioning this place and this is the last day I go in. One, many of the "staff" come in and out of our meeting kind of just loitering. Two, we are schooled on how to make a customer feel safe & told repeatedly that there are no casual dress days, but many of the staff look like children playing dress up with ill fitting clothes, dirty clothes, gold grills, etc. Three, a 2nd Regional Director (yes, still don't know JJ is the owner) sits in with us, but when JJ leaves the room and we pepper him with questions, he can't answer any of them, only tells us to take good notes. Four, kind of a petty one, but had a full day of training and no one offered any refreshments, not even water. Corporate ettiquette 101, even in their own training manual, is to have water at least.

So I leave feeling very, very wrong about the whole thing. I email Danny Stewart with my concerns and he assures me that this is legit. But I start researching, and researching. Find "JJ" and "Lisa" up and down the coast in scam reports. Here I learn they are married, and that he is the Owner! Find them under many different names and business names. Oh yeah, right when this all started, their email didn't work and they switched company names from HSE to HSEC International.

Everything I felt told me this was wrong, so I ended my relationship with this "company". I do feel they need to be stopped. They took $199 from me and planty others, and then those that continued lost another $500 from their friends and family. As a smart, educated person, I should have known better sooner, but being out of work for several months, my desperation clouded my better judgement. Live and Learn, I guess, but now it's time to get the law involved.

If anyone would be interested in group legal action (even to just get them to stop), respond to this and I can start a Facebook group since we can't exchange email or phone on here.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 01/23/2013 02:43 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/HSEC-INTERNATIONAL/Orlando-Florida-/HSEC-INTERNATIONAL-HSE-Security-Titan-Security-JJ-Howard-Lisa-Howard-Employment-Scam-S-1001675. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Poor, Poor JJ

AUTHOR: SeizetheTruth - ()

I am hesitant to call myself a former employee of the company because I never was actually paid for anything.  I showed up for an interview in Manatee County, FL, was told that the job was in huge demand and was made to feel that it would be an honor to be selected for an office manager position, paying $700 a week, plus bonuses.  That very day, I was selected, and asked to come in the very next day to sign my
paperwork and pay a $99 fee for a back office.  I expressed that I couldn't come in the following day due to a move, and I was threatened to have the position offered to someone else.  So I made arrangements
and came in, scheduled my training to begin that following Monday. 

The training was set an hour away in Clearwater, FL.  There were about 25 people in the room, which really negated the theory that the positionwould be given to someone else.  The office was a rent-for-a-day kind
of place that had other businesses using similar training rooms.  We were told that we had three opportunities.  The first was the regular office manager position which we'd all applied to, which paid $700
weekly, plus bonuses and health insurance.  We'd be opening a new office, hiring sales people and our office space would be paid for.  The second was a mid level management, which did not have the advantage of
the $700 weekly salary, but straight commissions and straight payment on the fees collected.  The same fee we paid to get our back office.  The third was an Office Director's position, which also didn't afford the
salary, but did receive commissions on "new hires", sales and other office's sales and new hires.  This, Mr. Howard, is indeed a pyramid scheme http://www.ftc.gov/speeches/other/dvimf16.shtm and it is INDEED
illegal in the state of Florida, as you know.  You said so in training before anyone could ask.  Making one small variation doesn't disguise it.

After the few hours of training, the candidates were asked to select which opportunity they wanted to pursue.  The ones who decided to become directors or mid level were kept on.  The ones who asked to stick with the job they applied to, which is part of the labor department's hiring practices, that you actually have the job to which applicants applied, were told that they were not selected to continue training.  In
retrospect, and after further research, one would deduce that there was no health insurance offered, as Ms. Yates is on Medicaid, and neither of the other two opportunities offered company paid insurance.

Over the course of the next few days, I did additional training with other applicants.  One of the conditions of our hire is that we were able to sell $2000 worth of equipment.  This is how we received the $800
after training, ($1000 if done within a week, though they allowed you between 2-4 weeks).  After our training, though, we'd never have to sell again.  Our constant new recruits would be doing that for us. 

By the second day, I'd had all of my sales lined up between friends and families.  I had order forms and credit card authorization forms prepared and sent in.  I did NOT, however, have the back office set up
that I'd paid for.  Without that set up, I could not run any credit cards.  If I could not run any credit cards, I could not get paid or get out of training.  There went the $1,000.  I was told that they were switching Merchant Services accounts and were put on hold.  This is what I had to explain to friends and family when they started asking for receipts.  In the meantime, they'd asked me to ask the customers if they wouldn't mind paying by check instead of credit card.  I advised the customers not to, as they have better assurances if something happens with that large of a transaction.

After a week, I still didn't have a back office up and running yet, I was conducting interviews for my "sponsor" which was another training exercise, and my friends and family were constantly inquiring about
their orders.  None were placed because of the merchant services hold. 

The longest wait there is for merchant services is 72 hours with an approved account.  This was a red flag for me.  If there are issues with a type of business or previous merchant services accounts, they will
not approve a new account, they will put limits on the amounts of transactions or the transactions' dollar amounts, or they will keep a certain amount of transactions up to a certain amount as a safeguard,
and once the amount is hit, then the merchant's account is funded and paid. 

As soon as I made this realization, calls from family started coming in of those who researched this company.  You can imagine what they found. They immediately canceled their orders, reported their cards as lost or compromised, I had to put fraud alerts on my credit bureaus since this couple now had my social security card (ANOTHER HUGE RED FLAG - OFFICE DIRECTORS ARE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS WHICH ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PRODUCE ID AND SSI CARDS AS THEY'RE 1099 WORKERS).  I called my "sponsor" and gave my resignation immediately. 

I then called the Clearwater police and asked them to look up JJ Howard and his various Aliases.  Right now he's working under HSEC.  AT THE TIME THOUGH, they were working under Titan Securities Inc.  This was NOT the name of the independent reps, Mr. Howard, as the one I was "hired" under was Steel Soldiers Security.  Titan Securities was the umbrella for this, much like HSEC is.  Please do not insult the intelligence of the readers.  One can tell what you're trying to hide by the way you're trying to hide it.

Now, I am not a convicted felon, I'm not someone who attempted to work and failed, I am highly educated, even tempered and considered by many to be objective and rational.  I am, what a prosecutor's office would
consider, a "credible witness".  When I contacted the police about you and the aliases, plus your known affiliate Mark Mignolo, it was indeed confirmed that you are a wanted man.  I do not take issue with the
medicaid fraud, or anything that other writers have judged you on, as I don't believe you've made the money you say you did, nor do I believe you even have health insurance, which makes Ms. Yates eligible for
medicaid.  I do take issue with you posting one job, and by the time the week is up, you turning it into something completely different.  This has nothing to do with your ex wife, who you claimed in training that
you had a fine relationship with, nor does it have anything to do with you trying to make money.  You are doing so illegally, per the FTC, and according to other reps who did not have the where with all to cancel
their impending orders, their orders have not been received.  $2,000 worth of product not shipped, but paid for, is indeed grand theft.  This is a very big reason why you may not be able to obtain a merchant
services account.  Again, you can't blame your ex-wife for that.  And make no mistake, just because you haven't gotten caught or "picked up" by the police, yet, does not mean what you're doing is not illegal. 
You're just faster than they can track you down.

If you're a reader pondering the possibility of working for this operation, please reconsider and always remember that you should not have to pay to work.  In my case, I paid $99 for a "back office" that I
never received.  I could probably go after you, JJ, but I chalk it up to lesson learned and it'll be worth it to actually see you and Lisa or Beth or Elizabeth, whomever she is, obtained by law enforcement and brought to justice.
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AUTHOR: dtulloch - (United States of America)

I as well was hired out of the St. Pete office right after Thanksgiving. I have filed my own report on this site entitled, "HSE Securities JJ Howard Very kind regional manager is in fact elaborate Scam Artist with pregnant wife St. Petersburg, Florida." Somebody responded saying there is a case building and to file a report with the attorney generals office. It doesn't take long and hopefully if enough of us get this out there then something can happen. He has our personal information.
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#3 Consumer Comment

It is a scam and crime

AUTHOR: AJ - (United States of America)

Myself and two others, whom I had been in contact with, went to the interviews in Tampa/ Clearwater end of 2012. That was when the company was still called Titan Securities Inc. and just transfering to HSE (HSEC international came later) Two of us paid for the Managers Package the morning right before the orientation meeting started. They didn't even have a $1 change when I provided $200 for the training material we were suppose to receive.

While I was in that meeting I realized that I was provided with misrepresenting information during my interview. Facts that did not match the info they told us at the meeting. I took a moment to just looking around the table and analyse the others sitting in the room with me. Over 20 other people that were hired for the same position in the same close Tampa area, and each of us was supposed to receive 10 sales people for our offices. It all didn't make sense and yes there were people that hardly spoke English. I also didn't like the fact that my main role would be to hire more and more agents and managers. I obviously noticed and understood that this was a pyramid scheme or MLS, which upset me a lot. I did not won't to be a part of that kind of company, especially when they tried to convince everybody to be come independent contractors to make more money that way. Yeah, an independent contractor who would be responsible for anything that could go wrong. No thank you! That same evening I tried to reach my contact person to cancel everything and requested my money back, since I was mislead before I paid. The next day I even wrote a formal and notarized 'termination of contract letter' that I sent to the office where the interview had taken place at. 

I have been going back and forward with JJ Howard for over 2-3 months. He always has an excuse, "oh I never got that email" bla bla bla, and he also threatened to sew me, when I mentioned contacting the necessary authorizations to help me get my money back. But I made it clear that I was in right and they were the ones that are committing a crime by stealing my money. Additionally, I had never signed an independent contractor agreement or any hiring papers. All I asked for is a refund of my $200, for a managers package I never even received (and of course no longer need). Basically I paid but they didn't stick to their part of the deal and are not even thinking about refunding it to any of us.
I have not heard back from JJ for a while now and I am going to the authorities to file a claim. I recommend anyone, who had paid a cent to them, to file a report with the county sheriff. Otherwise the will keep on taking people's money. People that are looking for a decent job in this difficult economy.  
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