• Report: #792970

Complaint Review: Hobo Prince Economic Project

  • Submitted: Fri, October 28, 2011
  • Updated: Wed, June 20, 2012

  • Reported By: Feeling Used — Portland Oregon United States of America
Hobo Prince Economic Project
9209 Ne 116th Avenue Portland, Oregon United States of America

Hobo Prince Economic Project be-rio.info Shelby "Saku" Bell is a fraud and a scam Portland, Oregon

*Consumer Comment: Hobo Prince Project

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: The hobo's history in Longview

*Consumer Comment: Transparency?

*General Comment: Once again---no signature, not even a first name

*UPDATE Employee: Someone who knows.....

*Consumer Comment: Hobo Prince

*Consumer Comment: Clarification response to date of document posted by Mr. Bell

*Consumer Comment: A reply to Mr. Ruach

*Consumer Comment: A Question for Mr. Bell and his followers...

*Consumer Comment: It appears to be moot now...

*Consumer Comment: Thanks for allowing venting...let's consider being supportive

*Consumer Comment: consumer supporter

*General Comment: Now what....

*General Comment: Fight or Flight

*Consumer Suggestion: The Hobo Prince Economic Project Needs Time

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: To Greatness

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Saku Bell

*General Comment: for more reasonable.

*Consumer Comment: Expect Great Things!

*Consumer Comment: LOL, wow , so you lost 25 F ' n dollars... let it go.

*Consumer Comment: I read what you wrote and how. Not nice.

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: TRUTH - Please Answer Rebuttals - People want to know!

*Consumer Comment: finally

*Consumer Comment: ehhh!!!!!

*General Comment: Looking for the TRUTH and offering thought process

*General Comment: Agreed

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I believe the Hobo Prince project featuring Mr. Shelby "Saku" Bell is a scam. I signed up for this project back around the 1st of September, I have viewed every webinar posted since the beginning as just like most of you I was curious and did not want to miss a thing. I came to terms with the fact that this was a scam when a number of things did not add up.

First off, ask yourself this why does Mr. Bell have to collect $25.00 up front from us? If this was/is a legitimate project then why is it that he is not waiting for all of the parties (bank, insurance, IpI buyer etc) to come on board and then have people pay? According to one of his most recent webinars he claims that we will no longer have to wait to begin getting paid after you have signed up so what is the rush in taking our funds? If he wants some order in respects to 1st come 1st serve well then he can have/keep a list of names and addresses and then based on payments proceed with adding them to the project. [continued below]....
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Second reason I believe that it is a scam is that the reason why he had to stop using "Paypal" the payment option he used earlier on is because Paypal recognize this as a scam...I paid with Paypal this is how I know. When I asked for a refund Paypal stated that I wasn't the first person to request a refund and when he announce that they were no longer using Paypal I inquired to Paypal and they stated that when they start to get a lot of request for refunds they investigate the company further to determine their legality; if the company doesn't add up or stay true to its contracts than they will not allow their (Paypal) services to be used.

Third, on his most recent webinar "16th" he made mention that 2 people went to the insurance company that he mentioned in the contract to expose his fraud. You mean to tell me that if you are working with millions no, according to him billions of dollars you don't have the common since to know that you cannot claim representation of a business "name" in a contract that you do not have a legal contract with (makes you wonder how he ever got the $357 B huh). And speaking of contracts can you believe that sorry excuse for a legal contract that he was using. I put together a more professional looking contract when I was in the 4th grade. Where is his lawyer (s) in all of this? You would think a man with that kind of money would have lawyer (s) writing his contracts or supporting this legitimate scam.

Forth, and not in the least the last I have sent numerous emails to all of the email addresses they have listed since the first week of September when I signed up and they have till yet to respond to any of them. I have asked them to refund me my $25. 00 on numerous occasions and surprise, surprise they have not responded. Paypal will not get involved so like me, we are assed out if paid already.

You know the old saying If it sounds too good to be true then chances are it's not true. I had a gut feeling when I did this transaction but I thought like most us thought "what the hell its only $25. 00 I spend that going to the movies" and you know what, that's exactly what he was counting on. That's the real reason why it's priced at $25.00.

So, what has Mr. Bell done for us lately?
So far he has done a lot of flapping his gums, but he has done nothing to support what he is saying. Where are the tablets, hell where are the stupid a*s books he claims to have written? For those of us who are skeptical why can't we see a contract or something from this company confirming that this is in the making? He has made a whole host of promises and has done nothing to back them up. The problem he will soon have is it's about to get ugly. More and more people are questioning this gimmick. So my guess is soon and very soon he will go into hiding. He will need to put up or shut up. What he is doing now is just baiting people in with these false promises as much as he possibly can... this is like a full time job for him and he gets paid daily. If this thing does not pan out soon then I would be willing to get a lawyer and sue him in a "Class Action Lawsuit". Anyone else feel this way?

This is ridiculous we not only have Wall Street and the Government stealing from us, but this man has the audacity to come to our inner neighborhoods where we are already struggling to make ends meet, where most people are not educated enough to know if the numbers and the things he is saying are really adding up, yet so desperate (me included) that we jump at the first opportunity where we think that God has answered our prayers and sent relief at such a great time of need. We grasped on to this "hope" with $25.00 wanting to be the first in line just in case it was real. Hmmm, I got your number, because I am you. Thank you for letting me vent.

Signed: Used and Abused

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#1 Consumer Comment

Hobo Prince Project

AUTHOR: Bucktooth - (United States of America)

i think that everyone should check the website now!!!!
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#2 UPDATE EX-employee responds

The hobo's history in Longview

AUTHOR: virtue - (United States of America)

I have not heard his pitch on the hobo project, So I only assumed he was talking business babble and tries to smoke and mirror his audience. To the educated person, he is very transparent.

I surely wish people would do a little due diligence on people like this before throwing money at his smile.

His greenhouse plan was to float a series of greenhouses in polluted water ways with pollution specific plants that would somehow osmotic ally absorb the funk and grow nice plants.

He convinced some naive people to fund some of those 1 piece plastic tuff shed type greenhouses, After which they sat in his driveway in Longview WA on 32nd ave. for a few months while he decided to start making industry changing boats out of foam boards and resin.

People (Friends) invested in the materials and viola! Didnt float upright. Professional boat builder friend tried to explain it wouldnt and why, but he insisted that when more people invested, he would be able to figure the problem out.

Actually tried to convince one of his friends, to sign a phoney purchase order for millions of dollars worth of those unique ships so he could then show the fake to investors and get funded since he had a contract P/O. I am reminded of his ability to create phoney docs. when I see the ones he is recently posting.

Fortunately, some people are not quite that stupid.

Few other ridiculous ideas around the same time, But I can only think of the people who lost money on the greenhouses and the boat thing.

Oh, other than some bank sent him a gold card (while on welfare) and he blew it all instead of supporting his wife Anya and their 4 kids.

That was 1995. Moved to Vancouver after the greenhouse people started knocking on his door.

Quite a rep in Longview WA.

His friends list at that time included:(Which non are his friends now, he took their money and moved on.)

Phil Shanteau Builder
Phillip Lovingfoss (Owner of Monticello Hotel and widower of Annabell Jewell)
Dan Estes Paramedic / coffee business owner
Dennis Hyde RET
Eldon Buckles RET
Steve Mansfield. Educator
Myself (Gary Bledso) RET

I have spoken to some of these recently and they each have other side stories about Shelby ripping people off.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Transparency?

AUTHOR: ruach - (USA)

I am writing in response to the post by Kelso. 

I believe that Mr. Bell is a complete fraud, but I have to say, IF you are an employee or former employee of his and truly have accurate inside information, then why not be completely transparent about it? 

Unfortunately, only posting what you have, without explaining your role as an employee, who you are, how you know what you know, tends to make your information questionable and unreliable. 

We are talking about a lot of people being taken advantage of here, not only for the money which is a minimal amount, but their hopes and belief....their emotional well being.

So please, if you truly are a former or current employee and know the truth about Mr. Bell and have good info about his previous scams, then POST that information openly and help these people free themselves from their prolonged agony of hoping for something that is not going to happen....as well as preventing others from losing $25.

Thank you!
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#4 General Comment

Once again---no signature, not even a first name

AUTHOR: Frances - (United States of America)

Dear anonymous, I appreciate when people take the time to express their opinion because so many don't.  But I also feel that it is important and fair to sign our comments, especially when we are defaming someone or their actions.  $25 is such a small amount of money to make such a giant deal about.  As I see it, the gentleman is working diligently to bless a lot of people, most likely yourself included.  It is a HUGE undertaking and I commend him for trying.  I hope more people will encourage his efforts and I am happy to help him in any way I can.  Thank you R. R. for keeping me updated. 

Frances Bradley
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#5 UPDATE Employee

Someone who knows.....

AUTHOR: virtue - (United States of America)

People, I feel for all of you who have been hurt by Shelby Bell the "hobo prince" Since the real Shelby Bell wont stand up..Let me for a moment, and take you back to the recent past. I and many others have offered him employment. He doesnt want to work. Rather, He wants to come up with the big score. Uses executive words that make it sound like he is educated in business and finance. He is not. He has some books with terms. And he tries to use his "special knowledge" to convince you he is special and brilliant.

He will refer to things that sound legit but since I didnt read that book who am I to say its not true. Anyway, he convincingly shrouds the big financial plan in hard to understand ways. It makes you feel like he is smarter about the subject than you.

He and his wife Anya and 4 kids have always been on welfare. She was actually trying to work to give the kids a little better life. His laziness, being demeaning to women, arrogance, lack of virtue and scheming is why she left him couple years back. He likes to brag about Louis Farrakhan and his henchmen and his dads dealings with them. Likes to talk about mystery men who come in the night to threaten him to stop working on " the project" ETC..

Further proof?  Ask him about the following scams he perpetrated:

Cottonwood Island,

The green house project,

Trying to scam the wealthy Annabell Jewell, (she was too smart for that..why would she listen to a part time limo driver anyway?) Okay, he did have 1 job..

The revolutionary new boat house, many others..

And do a  google map search of his Belrio Transportation address 9209 NE 116th Ave, Vancouver, WA. 

You will see a typical Shelby Bell place of residence. And certainly not worthy of a self portrayed Trillion air.

Cant seem to find his best seller on amazon either.....or anywhere else for that matter. He better take good care of "the copy" he has.

He has no virtue, you wont see your money back because he is using it to bank roll the next earth shattering venture..probably convince some poor people he is smarter than Tesla and he can give free electricity to orphans in Uganda.

Your $25.00 admin fee for that will generate you $1,000,000.00 a month as soon as he can get the correct paper work right, and if the Ugandan president ever forgives Shelby for not saying goodbye after the giant party they surely threw for him in his honor. Blame it on Farrakhan's men, they needed to get him to his gulf stream 5, otherwise he would be late for his hobo meeting in the break room at goodwill.

The money will get him into a new suit,  He can finally get the trillion air station wagon off of the blocks and back on the road, and will read a book on tesla, add to his vocab. words like half wave rectifier with articulating derivations. 

So get your $25.00 ready for the ride of your life!

 
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#6 Consumer Comment

Hobo Prince

AUTHOR: Bucktooth - (United States of America)

Things will be revealed!

I believe things have moved forward for Mr. Bell, and I am excited for things to be completed!

I wrote last week about what if this is real??  What if Mr. Bell has this enormous amount of money? What if we are to be shown that there is still hope in the world? Bill Gates and his wife are not giving their huge fortune to anyone..they are making sure that harmful vaccines are given to children/people in other countries. Gates and other billionaires are not forming any sort of project of this kind.

What if this is true..can you keep your home, or move into a better place? Can you get yourself a new car, or go on a vacation? Can you start your own project with others that receive money from the Hobo Project, and make some others thrive?

These are all questions that we can ask ourselves, and keep dreams alive!

If this is not true, then move on to the next dream! Keep Dreaming and Believing!
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#7 Consumer Comment

Clarification response to date of document posted by Mr. Bell

AUTHOR: ruach - (USA)

I am referring to the document posted on Mr. Bell's website that supposedly validates the legitimacy of his project. There is only one page and the signature is dated from December of 2007. I am NOT referring to the Cease and Desist order issued by the OIC.

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#8 Consumer Comment

A reply to Mr. Ruach

AUTHOR: Esther - (United States of America)

I'm not sure where you read in the document I posted that it was dated Dec 2007; it was clearly signed on April 2, 2012 (page 3).  I believe you may have confused the case number as a date.  

As a casual observer myself, I came across this post as you did and because it had the feeling of being a scam, did some googling.  I found the document and posted it.  This particular document was not available for due diligence until recently.    

Regards,
Esther
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#9 Consumer Comment

A Question for Mr. Bell and his followers...

AUTHOR: ruach - (USA)

Here is a question for Mr.
Bell:
 
I have taken a look at the document and noticed that the signature is dated December of 2007.
 
One would logically wonder, with all the questions that have apparently been arising for quite some time now and
the negative allegations about the legitimacy of Mr. Bell's program.....why is this document just now being posted on the website? Why not have shown this right from the start to avoid any problems...if indeed this document has any
legitimacy in and of itself?
 
I am simply an observer and truly hope that all involved will not be disappointed, but there is some simple logic
to be considered here. I do hope that there are people involved in this that will do some due diligence into the nature and origin of the document.
 
Blessings to you all,
 
an observer
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#10 Consumer Comment

It appears to be moot now...

AUTHOR: Esther - (United States of America)

Apparently Mr. Bell was given a cease and desist order regarding this venture:

http://www.insurance.wa.gov/oicfiles/orders/2012orders/12-0076.pdf
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#11 Consumer Comment

Thanks for allowing venting...let's consider being supportive

AUTHOR: Frances - (United States of America)

I also appreciate that ROR allowed this person to vent; however, I feel that in order to go so far as wanting to have a class action suit against someone, we should step up to the plate with our real name and not hide behind an alias.  I feel that $25 is a choice we make to see if this gentleman can really accomplish this huge undertaking and I want to support him in trying.  I consider it a gift.  If he does it, HOORAY we are all blest!  If not, then I appreciate that he tried and that his book is the result of his efforts.  I have worked for an independent book publisher and there is a lot of effort and $$$ required to get a finished product.  I encourage you to keep on keeping on, Mr. Bell.   

Frances Bradley
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#12 Consumer Comment

consumer supporter

AUTHOR: joseph - (United States of America)

Hoboprince project is an attempt to help people. It does empower those who are doing the helping. The same mechanism that is employed by the 'financial world net' is employed to derive a flow of income to individual participants rather than corporate computer entry 'banks' to log those same derivatives. All appropriate 'income taxes' are paid in full as per the code.

The only fraud I see is the 'State' pretending to help the people when in actuality the 'State' is hindering the people by stopping this activity.  This very mechanism of finances could have been set up by the State itself many years ago and each state can do it now even but the emphasis is upon control over people rather than empowering the people.

Had the State done this the money to the State would be phenomenal. The reason the State is against this is because people will be empowered.

Those who think that Shelby Bell is a scam have no clue the scam they are living under already. The scam  they are living under is the 'education' they have received all their lives.  The finance concept that Shelby Bell is trying to put into motion is a concept the State has denied people all their lives. Not only the State but the 'financial institutions' of the world do not want people knowing what Shelby Bell knows or thinks he knows. 

To be educated a person must have more than an opinion about something. The complaints against Shelby Bell are based upon ignorance and a want for something easy and for nothing. What Shelby Bell is/was trying to do require patience. If you are complaining because your patience has run out then just ask for your  $25 back and get your refund. What's to complain about. If you are complaining because you don't understand that something is trying to be done that is beyond your 'paygrade' of education then either do not invest or 'get your money back'.

My money will remain with Mr. Bell because I want to be one of the 'offended' parties before the State who has been offended by the State. The 'cease and desist' order placed by the State of Washington offends me.

Why is the State of Washington hindering me by stopping me from being helped?

The people who have complained against Shelby Bell and his attempt to do something extraordinary are only either speaking from their ignorance and lack of civility and faith and/or are speaking from an ulterior  motive such as one would find with persons who want to keep people in a lessor state or condition of life. You have no idea the amount of good the money "I" would have received was to accomplish. Seed money to start new companies and small manufacturing jobs.

Sometimes a small splash makes a big wave. But let the complainers and the naysayers be the mouthpiece for the wicked and nothing gets done. We can all grovel in our collective misery.

 
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#13 General Comment

Now what....

AUTHOR: betrayed - (United States of America)

Well to all of you supporters of this scam, now what? An order of cease and desist. How are you going to "defend" that? And what a joke that he says that he is not selling insurance, then please explain to me about the reverse life insurance policy that is worth 500k and how that is not insurance? And please explain to me why he was dodging the phone calls and letters from OIC and then setting up a meeting and once again "disappearing" and not showing up just like you did with the KATU reporter. Just finally admit Shelby "Saku" Bell that you are a scammer and a joke. Can't wait to hear what your "followers" have to say.
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#14 General Comment

Fight or Flight

AUTHOR: Higher Ground - (United States of America)

I have read all of the comments concerning the Hobo Prince Economic Project, and as I see it, there are alot of people that for some reason have left off believing in miracles. It would seem that the majority have turned to run. And since when did the majority ever win in the bible? King David had some mighty men of valour that when the masses turned to flee, these men made a decision to stand and fight against the vast numbers of their enemies. I am one that has made a decision to stand and fight for what I believe is right.

And as far as I can tell, Rome wasn't built in a day. I have only invested $ 25.00 into this project, and beside that, I have prayed much for the success of this project because of the great things that it could accomplish for us as individuals and for our economy. I choose to stay positive and wait. The bible tells me to wait on the Lord, so if this is a blessing coming from Him, then I will gladly wait. As for you and yours, do what you think best, but stop trying to convince others to turn and flee when there is such a great cause before us.

And to answer the paypal question. The individual that brought that up said himself that paypal has no choice but to withdraw their approval when they get several people wanting a refund. Remember when I said the masses turned and ran? Yell loud in a crowd and people can't help but hear you. Stay focused and watch for those who come out on top.
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#15 Consumer Suggestion

The Hobo Prince Economic Project Needs Time

AUTHOR: Frances - (United States of America)

I haven't tried to calculate the math involved with this Economic Transformation, but am excited to know that Shelby Bell and Beryl Wolk are uniting to make this happen.  $25 is the least we can do to work with them. 

Our economy has been messed up for decades and especially these last two or more.  It has only been a few months to work out the details of their brilliant and generous HPEPprogram.  I'm curious if anyone at Ripoff Report or reading this comment would have that same generous spirit if they/you had $350+ Billion dollars to do with as you wish??? 

Faith and Trust are important qualities to have in life.  These men are working diligently to bless an enormous amount of people legally and ethically.  They need to be commended and supported and appreciated. 

Let's have a spirit of gratitude and allow them the time and space to make it happen.  Focus instead on how you will be using this amazing prosperity helping to spread the good news and blessing on to others.
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#16 REBUTTAL Owner of company

To Greatness

AUTHOR: drake - (United States of America)

Your post was just plain stupid. I am sure God is not
behind this crap. Infact if this turns out to be a scam as I'm sure
It will.... I hope Shelby burns in the fires of h**l. Then he can
Ask Lucifer for $25... Lol.
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#17 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Saku Bell

AUTHOR: drake - (United States of America)

I am tired of hearing the lies from this foul n****r.
Please stop sending this Black buck your money. Every week
Its another delayed lie.
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#18 General Comment

for more reasonable.

AUTHOR: JMan101 - (United States of America)

You left out acouple of things. 1st, if you look on the forbes list of world billionaires; you will find a MR. Warren buffet listed as the number1 billionaire with 44billion. now if mr.bell has 357 billion then why isn't he listed a the number1 billionaire.2nd why did paypal drop him or to be more exact Be 'Rio transports.
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#19 Consumer Comment

Expect Great Things!

AUTHOR: Greatness - (United States of America)

Watch God work it out! So many people will be blessed by this program, and thankful that the creator of this program did not give up, but that he chose to persevered in his endeavors all the way to the top. His contributions to this society will pour over blessings into many generations after him.
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#20 Consumer Comment

LOL, wow , so you lost 25 F ' n dollars... let it go.

AUTHOR: George Douglass - (United States of America)

I have to laugh a$$ off,... so you lost $25.? Are you going die?  Grow the f' up. All of you saying your going to file a law suite, GROW UP. YOU signed up, willingly knowing that this MAY BE to good to be true. What is a contract: 2 adults, willing to partake in a transaction that they both feel that they both win.

AS IF you FEEL that you got robbed, cry like a baby and see who comes running.
AS IF: you lost $25 for a movie for 2, dinner for 2, a half tank of gas, a bad DVD, last weekend out...

Mr. Bell has not come through because he is not done. Do you really think that if this was a scam, that he would start out in a church in his home town and after SIX months still be in this town? NOT!

I would bet all you cry babies $50, that your BROKE AS HELL. BROKE   AS   HELL ! ! Otherwise grow up and come to see that YOU, << are the one that willing gave up $25, expecting $900 as your return. WOW, NO one wall street saw that one coming....

PEOPLE if you think this is a scam, then run and just tell YOUR broke a*s friends to not get involved. If it is too late for you and you allready spent your $25 with Mr. Bell and (as I ) have not YET received anything in return, what did you really expect? That the sky would part and $900 a week would come rushing in? OMG for real? Well I am still holding out because I still believe in Mr. BELL.

GOD only knows if Mr. Bell will come through and as on his Sept. 2 video @ 1.20.20 in the video he said that if this does not work he will give us 2 times our money back. hmm that is $50 right?I think I can wait 2 years for that kind of return for again, money that "no big lose" for one guy that said he was living pay check to pay check. Well the way is sounds on this post, that $25 is a boat load of money. WOW, if $25 is a lot of money then again your Broke as Hell.

Someone brought up the 99%ers. I have to laugh at that. I do not watch TV and so I do not know what 's that all about. But this is what I feel about it. 

IF YOUR crying about the jobs and the LACK of money and that the rich are too rich,
I can not defend that most of that is true. Most of you are just crying about it.
Get the F' out of your tent and go create your own income. To have the power we have these days and the skills we all have and spend your days in a tent when you could be making an income online or somewhere ... Try to be come a helper and save 1% of the 99%ers. DO GOOD PEOPLE.

I will be doing good with my $900. and if it never comes, so be it. I guess I have to work again.

GROW UP, because you SIGNED UP, and get over it. Go do good and forgive yourself and move on.

GD

 
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#21 Consumer Comment

I read what you wrote and how. Not nice.

AUTHOR: Beverly - (United States of America)

Dear capital letter spelling, bold print and underling using bully.

You sound less like of a business professional or an Attorney and more of a loud mouth bully who is into forcing his belief's on a mass of people in a low level church. If by chance you happen to know Mr. Bell in real life, your personal defense of him may be touching but it is not assisting him in demonstrating his program as a solid, honest venture.

Consider, the truth does not need to be defended it just is. I have read the other articles as well as the complaints of the man and woman who have caused ongoing problems because they wanted it "now!" Even though they were told it was "in the works". They were told it was a process. They were just becoming early clients prior to the project launch. Head of the line sort of thing. I am certain this was because of the excitement in the hope that this program would bring. I am also certain that this mistake will never again be made by Mr. Bell. I saw how the two complainers caused the tripping up of the program. They caused the delay's and the reformation of Mr. Bell's program's. They even went on so far as to involve Channel 2 news in it.

But I have got to wonder. When you wrote in Nov. 2011 you called them out. You challenged them. Here on this site. In bullying bold print. I believe they copied and pasted your challenge to affront them and they gave it to Channel 2. Your bullying is not a help to Mr. Bell. It only picked a fight which would shame, shock and cause people searching of the truth to back off. Not inviting at all.

Stop interfering in Mr. Bell's work. If you are all for it, great! Let the professional's do their work so everyone who is a member can move forward.

I am a business professional and I know how it is to have a few people who make screaming demands and think that their (in this case $25.00) money gives them right to rule the world and the company. It does not. Just ask any bank.

I have disgust for thieves and frauds and yet I have found nothing in the contract that is illegal. People have hand written all kinds of legal contracts and bill's of sale. For selling cars and much more for a far more cash. The DMV's won't look twice at the frills of the bill of sale. Just the signature is all that matters. But even a handwritten contract as long as it has a signature stands in any court of law. So what is the problem?

Let me spell it out. A one time $25.00 investment for the purchase of a $500,000. reverse life insurance program. Which you use for your day to day or even play. After all professional fee's and taxes are paid in advance. You are given a bank certified bank card with $900.00 in cash each week for 7 years. But you must pay your state taxes on the $900.00. The company sees to it that the Federal taxes are all payed first. And then all of the powers that be gets theirs as well before you receive yours. If I am not mistaken this is the same way your paycheck also comes to you.

What does Mr. Bell want in return? Well a modest business fee for his company costs and  to pay his employees a paycheck. A way to help people in a dying economy. And he does ask that you are not doing drugs, harming children, spouses or breaking laws. Oh yes and a small thing, no sending money over seas to help war mongers. D.C. can not even live to this standard. And in return for his dare to build something special I see mean spirited people bucking this work and attempting to bully and disgrace a man who is at least trying to help this world. Shame on them. Their motives are selfish. If you don't want to "risk" $25.00 on this program, good for you. Have a burger. But if you are willing to invest in your own future than be patient and let the professionals do their work.

Invest means you must wait. And tossing up road blocks which causes everyone else to wait even longer means you're the problem and not Mr. Bell.

To be clear, I am not a member of this program. I have done a lot of research for friends and family though. Because I have need not to be bias, I have not joined as of yet.

I respect the work of the Hobo Prince Economic Program. If for nothing else at least they are trying to help us.

With regard;
Beverly
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#22 REBUTTAL Individual responds

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AUTHOR: feelingused - (USA)

Mr. or Ms.: big green coffee cup,

You are correct Offer/Acceptance, does a contract create. However, a prerequisite exist where in that BOTH parties offer some consideration before a contract can be thought of as a binding contract. In this case to date, there is only one group meeting this requirement and that is the people paying the $25.00. Under the circumstances, Mr. Bell would be in breach of contract in that he has not carried out his end of the agreement. I for one would like nothing more than to have Mr. Bell prove me wrong. I would happily eat my words, but so far he hasn't a leg to stand on.

I would have to think that Mr. Bell and or his colleagues (this means you) were aware of all of the ins/outs, ups/downs or " LOGISTICS" (as you would put it) involved in creating such a "Earth shattering eye-opener" for the world of "BIG BUSINESS" (your words, not mine) BEFORE you went public and began your collection plate. That would be like the owner of Microsoft asking everyone to purchase the next big Windows software today and maybe or maybe not producing the actual software months from now. And if this were to happen (which it never would) I would be 1st in line to purchase the software, why? Because unlike Mr. Bell, Mr. Gates have earned the right to make such a request. He has proven himself, and his capabilities time and time again. What has Saku done to prove himself worthy of us forking out funds before the product is ready to be made use of?

The reason I won't waste my time coming to the live webinar sessions is because I hear people inquiring some or all of the same questions that I have posed here and Mr. Bell conveniently enough "chuckles" makes a corny joke, and bypasses the question or says, "I will speak with you after the session is over." Why? I like many others want the answer to the questions being asked.

Interestingly enough, you never addressed any of the other issues noted. For instance, Paypal and why they dropped you, the contract and the fact that you would use a company's name without authorization, (such an elementary error) where are your PROFESSIONAL business lawyers for this "Earth shattering eye-opener" for the world of "BIG BUSINESS" project? The notebooks, where are they; the books (Im assuming its been published) where are they? I'm asking you for any tangible concrete evidence that anything he has said is true aside from him flapping his gums. Anything? Is this such an unreasonable request?

I would suggest that instead of you wasting your time responding to mine and others post you should be assisting your trusty colleague in making this project legitimate. You don't have to worry about me "BAD MOUTHING" Mr. Bell, because if what he is dishing out is true and correct information it will all come out in the end. I can assure you that if this program is legitimate you will not have problems finding participants...as a matter of fact that will be the least of your issues. Put your money where your mouth is. Like Tom said, "SHOW ME THE MONEY"! No need for a rebuttal unless you have the answers to address each of the stated issues/questions or you are no better than Mr. Bell running your mouth unless of course you are Mr. Bell. Hmmm, things that make say, hmmm.

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#23 Consumer Comment

finally

AUTHOR: Dan Micke - (United States of America)

finally a forum for this. I would just like to say that I believe that this is a fraud, but im stillin rollin with it. Its only $25 folks. I live pay check to pay check, and im not worrying about $25. Hell if it ends up being stolen from me oh well I hope it helps you (Mr. Bell) out more than it would help me out. but if you do end up taking my $25 Mr. Bell i ask only a couple of things from you

1. An email stating this:
Dear Dan Micke

I just jacked you 25 dollars

Im out
Yours truly
Shelby H. Bell

I will probably then responde with something like this:

Dear Mr. Bell

Well played sir.

Dan Micke

2. I ask that you spend my hard earned $25 not on you but instead your family.  Say maybe a night on the town at your nearest McDonalds. That would indeed be a dollar menu feast. Anyways spend it on your family not you.

3. If you don't end up jacking me. Can you keep us a tad bit more informed. I live in California and can't make it to your meatings.

And last of all Mr. Bell. thank you for the oppertunity to come up 300k. I hope you prove me and all the doubters wrong. I still got hope Bro.

Green cup guy: you may work for or with Mr. Bell but you've got to look at it from both points of views. watched the webinars and heard nothing but good stuff. and haven't seen any progress.

Used and abused: dont want any part of a class action lawsuit, thats one thing thats wrong with America. when someone doesn't get their way well hell lets suit. stop complaining and roll with the punches.

Signed: signed drinking the cool aid
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#24 Consumer Comment

ehhh!!!!!

AUTHOR: Dan Micke - (United States of America)

Finally I find a forum about this. Alright so here's my thought on it. In this day of the whining 99%, I say quit crying about it. sure im part of the 99% but im not crying about it. I'm working my a*s off to show my future kids that if you work hard you can get anywhere you want.

Sure I think its a scam, hell i've even reported it to the FBI when i first heard about it around the same time you signed up. That was not only to protect my intrest, but also to protect people from being taken advantage of. I then had one of my Private Investigator friends look into him. Not much to be forund about him. Minor tickets blah blah, old addresses, failed companies, and even a notice of a ficticious bussiness name or whatever it is called. Since i'm in California an attorney from the California Department of Corporations contacted me. Apparently the FBI handed the information off to her and she really couldn't find much on Mr. Bell either.

But honestly when do you get the chance to turn $25 into however much he's offering 300 some odd thousand. so f**k it i'll take the chance. whats an hr. and a half of work. and if it comes it comes if it dosent then well d**n there goes my money for well it's $25, 1/2 a tank of gas I suppose.

Mr. Bell if that is your name I will tell you this. Sir I will drink your kool aid hold the cyanide please, fraud or not. I just ask you for this. If your going to take my $25 I just ask for an email stating this. Dear Dan I jacked you for $25. I'm out, your's truly Shelby H. Bell.  Is that not fair? and if you do that I will reply back with this Well played sir, well played.  Also I ask that you spend it on your family and not yourself. Maybe a night on the town at Your nearest McDonalds or something. Other than that if you are going to go through with the HPEP. just keep us a tad bit more informed. I know that spending $25 dollards really dosent entitle me to much. I mean we as Americans may think it does but honestly it doesn't.

Hobo prince project or not I will continue living my life. working hard and and livin the dream, or at least trying to.

Mr. Bell, I believe in you. but for real the email about jacking me for dub five, would be much apreciated.

P.S. I want no part in any class action lawsuits. come on sir or ma'am it dub 5 yo. and does anyone know how to put one of those signed:used and abused deals.

I'm just going to sign it myself

signed: the great Dan Micke. One guy thqat is drinkiing the KoolAid.



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#25 General Comment

Looking for the TRUTH and offering thought process

AUTHOR: more reasonable - (USA)

To the individual(s) who are "badmouthing" Mr. Shelby Bell, I want to know whether you have made ANY effort to discuss this with HIM DIRECTLY? It seems only fair, rational, reasonable, logical AND BIBLICAL to me and I can't see any legitimate reason why you would not want to ask him personally and thereby get the answers to the many questions you OBVIOUSLY have. 

I will answer your FIRST question- You said- First off, ask yourself this why does Mr. Bell have to collect $25.00 up front from us?  THAT can be answered by ANYONE who has even the most basic knowledge of "business". There has to be: Offer and Acceptance (contract law) words  signifying consent to the terms of an offer (thereby creating a contract) and then MONEY has to change hands in order for a contract to be valid and binding. Additionally, If he didn't get the contracts in process A.S.A.P. there would be a tremendous IMMEDIATE workload for ALL the people involved in THAT and EVERY OTHER process for EVERY PARTY involved as soon as the logistics "come together".  This is a NEW program to the world of business involving "profit sharing" as it were with THE PEOPLE. This is an "Earth shattering eye-opener" for the world of "BIG BUSINESS" who has never before given a thought as to how to benefit their fellow Citizens, without whom they would NOT EXIST. Mr. Bell has seen a way to change that thought (and activities) process and thereby benefit EVERYONE involved.
It seems clear to me that SOMEONE may not have a decent understanding of just how this plan will work. But I won't guess whether that describes YOU. I hope you don't feel accused.

Have you ANY idea just how much LOGISTICS are involved in such a TREMENDOUS undertaking as this is? I thought not.  Let me give you just a little to think about AND thank God YOU don't have to deal with- Just at the BANK alone-

FIRST there has to be a "plan" drawn up, drafted or whatever, (policies and procedures) just exactly how the bank employees will have to "execute" or "implement" their part of the program. This will involve at least their auditors, bookkeepers, lawyers and maybe others.

SECOND- After THEY all agree, it will have to go to the board of directors, understood and agreed on and then AUTHORIZED.  

THIRD- It will have to go to their printers, to get A- PRINTED and then B- SENT to all the branches,

FOURTH- there will be a need for SOFTWARE to A- be WRITTEN, B- be DUPLICATED and C- SENT to ALL to the branches throughout the country, D- it will then have to be INSTALLED on all the computers the bank intends to use,

FIFTH-
ALL the employees will have to be TRAINED on the proper use/implementation of this new program. These things involve THOUSANDS of people and DO NOT happen at the snap of your fingers.  Please remember also-      these    people      work     for    BANKS     .  It    might      take     them    a     little     longer   to      read     and     understand      the     program   .

Consider also there are a number of OTHER PARTIES involved in this program and EVERYONE will have a lot of accounts to keep straight and they too will have to implement, plans, policies, procedures, training and etc. for everyone involved THERE.
 
Have you the present ability to describe/articulate/ explain just exactly HOW this program he has conceived IS a SCAM? If your answer is yes, you must be so much smarter than ALL the rest of the people who have sat through the "seminars" and asked questions and received answers and then signed contracts with him.  I congratulate you sir or madam (or WHATEVER) as the case may be, YOU are certainly among the most intelligent beings extant. I wish you would for EVERYONES benefit PLEASE, PLEASE come to the VERY NEXT "seminar", Wednesday,  November 2, 2011  -  7:00 PM  PDT at Jantzen Beach Mall  - Space #1275 - (almost exactly 25 yards straight EAST of the Carousel) 1405 Jantzen Beach Center, Portland, Oregon and prove to us all that (AND HOW) Mr. Bell is a fraud, a charlatan, a phony, AND running a SCAM as you claim. Show us all how this will not work and WHY.

By doing this you will be a TREMENDOUS help to thousands of people who for some reason just can't see the light as clearly as you and you will prevent (potentially) MILLIONS from becoming "victims" to this (as YOU now seem to call HIM) "scam artist" and you will be admired by all who may hear the story about HOW YOU single-handedly SAVED THE MASSES and put
yet another bad guy to flight. 

I will be there, I will probably have a big green coffee cup in hand and near the entrance on the right side. Please see me as soon as you get there and I will make sure you are able to speak to us. WE NEED the TRUTH!

  P.S.  PLEASE bring a copy of the contract YOU told us YOU created- "I put together a more professional looking contract when I was in the 4th grade." I'd like to see it so I can show todays 4th grade kids just how SLOW they are by direct comparison.

ALL RATIONAL, REASONABLE, HELPFUL REBUTTALS ARE WELCOMED WITH AN OPEN MIND.




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#26 General Comment

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AUTHOR: betrayed - (United States of America)

I agree with the first report. i thought it was 2 good 2 be true and now i am seeing that it was. i dont understand why saku bell would try to scam people when the country is in such turmoil? I signed up in end of august and all i here is "we are still working on this". where is my money and where is all the "billions" of dollars you say you have? if you have this money you should be able to pay us. I am upset with myself for getting caught up in a scam. saku bell i hope you enjoy all the money you are making off all of us hard working people. i hope that when you get caught you will think about all of us that you scammed. It says money back guarantee on your web site. why dont you be a man and live up to what you say! i would be up to the class action suit the other person that got scammed from saku bell suggested. If you are thinking about signing up for this "program", please dont. save your 25.00. i wish i would have. Very Betrayed
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