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Complaint Review: Home-Again 4U And Robin Els

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  • Submitted: Sun, December 10, 2006
  • Updated: Sat, February 28, 2009

  • Reported By:Greer South Carolina
Home-Again 4U And Robin Els
168 W. Park Dr Spartanburg, South Carolina U.S.A.

Home-Again 4U And Robin Els ROBIN ELS of HOME-AGAIN 4U is a scammer and a Fraud who operates illegally under false pretenses. Robin Targets home owners, investors, and others in her web of deception. Ripoff Spartanburg South Carolina

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Bruce arrested for attempted armed bank robbery, kidnapping, etc...

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Bruce Windsor was arrrested for attempted bank robbery, and kidnapping....

*Author of original report: PROOF OF MANIPULATIVE TWISTED LYING

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: This was a very sad attempt.....

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BEWARE of doing business with Robin Els of Home-Again 4U. This warning is for homeowners (who are usually distressed with financial problems), whom she claims she can help, and business owners and investors whom she will try to coerce into paying for her illicit services.

Robin Els represents herself as a company Home-Again 4U, LLC. HER COMPANY is not an LLC at allThis IS OPERATING UNDER FALSE PRETENSES AND IS ILLEGAL. She has been representing herself this way since at least September of 2005 and still is as of November 2006 (I know because I see her postings to a yahoo group that I'm a member of). In 2005 I considered doing some business with Robinshe made a good first impression, but as time passed and her character and ethics were revealed, I tried to gently back away from my dealings with her. She was very interested and obsessively intent on doing business with my company, but I refused to do business with her and expressed my concerns for how she was operating. I encouraged her to get legally set up in business and do her own thing. This is because her actions and thoughts to me were disturbing and I wanted to end things peaceably. Additionally I wanted her to stop affiliating my company with her business actions and proposals. Instead of things coming to an end, she became more zealous. Finally, in early March of 2006, in a stalking style manner, Robin contacted me several times in emotional rages and proceeded to make slanderous demands and threats for her own illicit purposes.which included still trying to do business with my company. IN LIGHT OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES ON 3/15/06 I PURCHASED THE LEGAL NAME RIGHTS FOR THE LLC SHE WAS CLAIMING TO BE. By now I had had experience with her anger and even though she can be effective as a manipulative liar I knew she couldn't defend this and I could use the threat of prosecution to once and for all get her to leave me alone. The name ownership is verifiable by going to scsos.com (South Carolina Secretary of State) and doing a name search for her company.You will see my name there where I purchased the name rights. I DID THIS TO PROVE THE POINT THEN THAT ROBIN WAS ACTING ILLEGALLYFOR THIS, AND OTHER ETHICAL REASONS, I WANTED TO END DEALINGS WITH HER AND I WANTED HER TO STOP BOTHERING MY FAMILY AND MY COMPANY. Recently I have again been haunted by her and that is in part why I am now posting this report. I never did try to prosecuteI was happy enough when she stopped contacting me.

In addition to operating under false pretenses, Robins deceptions are often times as blatant as newspaper ads for property that doesn't exist, or placing signs in yards of abandoned houses that she doesn't own, (so she can generate prospects to sell to landlords or legitimate investors)---to subtle deceptions like telling people she's an investor or part of a group of investors, when she really is simply trying to extract or broker fees from the poor or the wealthy. Fee's for which she is not licensed to accept.another illegal activity.

Robin often uses public records to locate financially distressed homeowners and individuals. She will then contact them with offers and promises that she cannot keep. Often times she will counsel with distressed individuals with her goal of extracting a profit from the distressed individual, while also trying to sell an investor a deal she has found where there may be a profit for her. While distressed homeowners can be helped through contact and solutions with legitimate investors, its Robin El's way of doing it that makes it so wrong.

Robin is extraordinarily two faced and uses con-man style unscrupulous tactics of buddying up with whomever she is trying to benefit from at that moment, and then if she can't profit or perform on what she has started, she will deceive and lie about them while trying to preserve and bolster her own image. One example is a deal she tried to bring to me that I would participate in as an investor. She had a homeowner that she was working with. As time passed she consistently bad mouthed the homeowner to me (it is this type of behavior which made me suspicious of her character). Later I learned that she blamed and bad mouthed me to the homeowner for things not working out. And she didn't just bad mouth, she told absolute lies---to try to protect her own inability to perform. It is this POLISHED YET WRECKLESS MANIPULATION THAT ADS A CREEPY FEAR to having dealt with Robin Els. I'm submitting this report in part for a permanent public record of concern due to her erratic and in my opinion dangerous behavior. She will also include the support of her husband Eugene when making threats.

In some instances she bonds with homeowners in an almost psychopathic like mission to either get what she wants from them (which is usually a fee for the help she is offering), or a sympathy bond where she will blame her lack of performance on a partner, or a difficult client who, insensibly turned down a good deal or solution. She will do this two face interaction with an obsessive, disturbing, passion and method. And then when caught or confronted about a wrong, she will lash out threateningly and angrily, with the same sort of obsessive, creepy, and disturbing pursuit. In her threatening anger she will abandon all dignity and deal in lies at any level to accomplish her obsession. And the scary part is she is smart. I know both sides of this first hand.she cheerfully pursued me as an investor for her schemes, than later viciously attacked when I refused to do business with her and confronted her concerning her illegal and unethical behavior.

I'm not one who believes negative campaigning against others is the right thing to do. However, I do believe there comes a time when enough people are victimized, that those who know about the wrong should fight back, and hopefully prevent someone else from being dragged through a similar experience.

Watch out for ROBIN ELS and her ILLIGITIMATE company HOME-AGAIN 4U. She is UNETHICAL AND DANGEROUSLY MANIPULATIVE. And if she sets out to profit from you or vengefully hurt you she will stop at nothing in her pursuit.

W from Greenville SC

Bruce
Greer, South Carolina
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 12/10/2006 10:37 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Home-Again-4U-And-Robin-Els/Spartanburg-South-Carolina-29306/Home-Again-4U-And-Robin-Els-ROBIN-ELS-of-HOME-AGAIN-4U-is-a-scammer-and-a-Fraud-who-operat-224622. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Bruce arrested for attempted armed bank robbery, kidnapping, etc...

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

3+ years later from this post, after I confronted this Business owner through a separate report on this forum, and after stealing funds from other clients, Bruce was arrested on Feb 26 for attempting to rob a bank, with a gun, holding hostages....because he was having "financial difficulties".....one news source showed that he is being sued for stealing $15,000 in "lease" payments from a client...

I am posting the link for the story....

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20090228/NEWS01/902280313&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

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#2 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Bruce Windsor was arrrested for attempted bank robbery, and kidnapping....

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

To validate my original concerns about the individual that posted this....I'm posting the link for the story where Bruce held citizens hostage, and attempted to rob a bank in Greenville, SC, yesterday. I hope this will suffice for any inquiries into my truthfulness about this investor.

http://www.greenvilleonline.com/article/20090227/NEWS06/302270002&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

Part of the story is below:

**Greenville Police charged the suspect Friday morning in the attempted armed robbery and two-hour standoff at Greenville First Bank on Verdae Boulevard Thursday. The situation ended with the release of two hostages and the man's arrest.

Bruce Lee Windsor, 43, 1 Andover Road, Greenville, has been charged with attempted bank robbery, possession of a weapon during a violent crime and two counts each of kidnapping and presenting a firearm, according to Greenville Police Lt. Mike Maddon and Greenville County Detention Center records.

Windsor was booked into the detention center on a temporary commitment pending finalized charges, Maddon stated in a press release.

An arraignment hearing is scheduled for 10 a.m. at Municipal Court, said Greenville Police Capt. Mike Gambrell.

Greenville Police responded to a robbery in progress call at 3:28 p.m. Thursday, Maddon said. When police arrived the man was holding two female hostages at gunpoint inside the bank, Maddon said.

At least 30 officers responded to the scene, some armed with sniper rifles, Maddon said. A SWAT team, the Greenville County Sheriff's Office, state Highway Patrol and local Federal Bureau of Investigations detectives also worked the case, Maddon said.

A Greenville Police Crisis Negotiations Team began telephone conversations with Windsor and he released the two hostages and surrendered peacefully to police at about 5:05 p.m., Maddon said.

Madden said the work of two hostage negotiators contributed greatly to the peaceful conclusion of the incident at the Bonaventure business complex.

During the incident, nearby businesses were locked down, Verdae Boulevard and hundreds of onlookers were cleared from Verdae Marketfair shopping center across the street.

Just before 3:30 p.m., a witness reported a masked man running across the parking lot and entering the bank's lobby, Madden said. The incident ended shortly before 5 p.m.**


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PROOF OF MANIPULATIVE TWISTED LYING

AUTHOR: Bruce - (U.S.A.)

Another attempt of manipulative twisted lying. I will be sending photo proof of Robins lies to be added to this report. What I am sending is print screen images of actual emails with Robin Els doing business solicitations as Home-Again 4U, LLC. These images contain the entire screen you see when you get email including email addresses for the sender and recipients, (including messages to a Yahoo group of over 2000), with her BUSINESS message.

I'm also including a photo screen image of ROBINS LYING STATEMENT within RIP-OFF REPORT "I have never done business in the name of Home Again 4U, LLC, nor do I "own" or "operate" any company by the name of Home Again, 4U, LLC."

If for some reason these photo images do not get posted, I will be glad to send them or forward the actual emails to anyone interested.

Wishing this fight was not necessary,

Bruce
Lease To Home, LLC

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#4 REBUTTAL Individual responds

This was a very sad attempt.....

AUTHOR: Robin - (U.S.A.)

"Reserving this corporate name does not, in and of itself, provide an exclusive right to use this corportate name on or in connection with any product or service".

This is taken directly from the SCSOS Application to reserve a limited libability company name.

I believe it speaks for itself, and shows the basic lack of intelligence behind Bruce Windsor's accusations of me operating illegally.

I have also concluded that Bruce Windsor of Lease to Home, does not need me to point out to anyone his motivations towards me and business in general. This very sad attempt to "set me up" so he could "threaten prosecution" not only failed, but reveals his manipulative, controlling, and self-serving nature, that permeates throughout all of his actions; personal and business.

I will not respond anymore to this person. I tried to explain to him after his most recent contact, that I have moved on, and he needs to do the same.

Mr. Windsor, please stop calling here and trying to email me. I am saying this in a public forum. It's time to move on.

Thank you,
Robin Els
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