• Report: #1142100

Complaint Review: Hornet Wind Turbines

  • Submitted: Sun, April 27, 2014
  • Updated: Fri, August 15, 2014

  • Reported By: Bigboystoys — Alabama
Hornet Wind Turbines
Internet USA

Hornet Wind Turbines Pyramid Thermodyne Systems Scorpion Rip off, false advertising, rude, dishonest , unethical, thief Internet

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Missouri Wind and Solar is using Rip Off Report as a conspiracy tool

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: This is who is complaining about Thermodyne

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: THANK YOU MR. GREEN

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Well orginized hoax against us by competing entities

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: This has to be Charles Mccune

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: You are ordered to Cease and Desist

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Competators playing games again

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Organized effort to use ripoff report to undermine my company

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: More bullshit from competitors and group

*Consumer Comment: code

*Consumer Comment: Rip off you are right sir

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We have bought sevral of these cheap wind turbines from Hornet Wind Turbines. The sensational advertising when compared to the rest of the industry is to be laughed at in retrospect. We were new to wind power and had no idea what to expect or what should be realistic. The guy had 100 percent feedback on e bay and it looked like it was legit. We did not install these units for several months after purchase at which time it is too late to get your money back. Further research indicated many others are having the same experiences and this cheap thing came to us rusted out of the box. The advertised 1600 watt output is laughable. 300 watts max in 50 mph plus wind.

 

After sanding and painting we have never seen more than 1/6 th tha advertsied output of these products max. We have contacted numerouse other companies in the same line of business which pretty much  universally regarded the business as a scam. They did not use those words but all stated you are not going to see the advertised power out of the units. So in short these turbines are made with blastic and thin gauge rusting metal, no carbon fiber and do not turn until high winds yet are descrived as low wind performing products. The advertisment that consumers can make a wind farm for 25 cents per watt is blantantly:

 untrue or misleading,
and which is known, or which by the exercise of reasonable care
should be known, to be untrue or misleading
My wind farm will have a payback period of "never"
We will be doing a chargeback on our credit card for these items and making a report to:

http://oag.ca.gov/contact/consumer-complaint-against-business-or-company

They appear to have offices in the USA and UK

California Business and Professions Code Section 17500

Legal Research Home > California Laws > Business and Professions Code > California Business and Professions Code Section 17500
 
17500.  It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or
association, or any employee thereof with intent directly or
indirectly to dispose of real or personal property or to perform
services, professional or otherwise, or anything of any nature
whatsoever or to induce the public to enter into any obligation
relating thereto, to make or disseminate or cause to be made or
disseminated before the public in this state, or to make or
disseminate or cause to be made or disseminated from this state
before the public in any state, in any newspaper or other
publication, or any advertising device, or by public outcry or
proclamation, or in any other manner or means whatever, including
over the Internet, any statement, concerning that real or personal
property or those services, professional or otherwise, or concerning
any circumstance or matter of fact connected with the proposed
performance or disposition thereof, which is untrue or misleading,
and which is known, or which by the exercise of reasonable care
should be known, to be untrue or misleading, or for any person, firm,
or corporation to so make or disseminate or cause to be so made or
disseminated any such statement as part of a plan or scheme with the
intent not to sell that personal property or those services,
professional or otherwise, so advertised at the price stated therein,
or as so advertised. Any violation of the provisions of this section
is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not
exceeding six months, or by a fine not exceeding two thousand five
hundred dollars ($2,500), or by both that imprisonment and fine.

If you have had similar experiences we advise one you get an expensive watt meter stop listening
to the smooth talker because the conclusion i have drawn is simply these guys know they are lying
and it is their scam.




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#1 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Missouri Wind and Solar is using Rip Off Report as a conspiracy tool

AUTHOR: Turbine.King - (USA)

Missouri Wind is using Rip Off report as a tool to defame Thermodyne and his products.  He does this because the content is not removed like it can be in Youtube and Facebook.  Missouri wind and solar is on an active campaign to destroy his competitors because of his greed and inability to compete like an adult.

We have asked the managemenbt to remove all these fake reports.  There is absolutely no truth to his allogations against Thermodyne and Windy Nation.  We wish the management would take action on these complaints, but they will not.

.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y-MiFlGWMk
.youtube.com/watch?v=o-l985dQ0Xw
amazon.com/Missouri-General-1600-Watt-Turbine/product-reviews/B005BKJBLS
.youtube.com/watch?v=6EJnUgPfXj4
topix.com/forum/city/seymour-mo/TEO76N3OLSLPJA3AG
.ripoffreport.com/r/missouri-wind-and-solar/syemour-missouri-/missouri-wind-and-solar-mws-do-not-buy-from-this-company-their-turibines-do-not-produce-732525
topix.com/forum/city/seymour-mo/TI76422UARHGR45TQ
plus.google.com/+TheBillythekid2010/posts/d5ViCLAdwKt
/missouri-wind-and-solar.pissedconsumer.com/
reviewstalk.com/complaints-reviews/missouri-wind-and-solar-l37140.html

Missouri wind and solar complaints #missouri wind and solar complaints #Fraud #misrepresentation #scam

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#2 REBUTTAL Individual responds

This is who is complaining about Thermodyne

AUTHOR: Turbine.King - (USA)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Y-MiFlGWMk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-l985dQ0Xw
http://www.amazon.com/Missouri-General-1600-Watt-Turbine/product-reviews/B005BKJBLS
http://www.pissedconsumer.com/tag/missouri-wind.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EJnUgPfXj4
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/seymour-mo/TEO76N3OLSLPJA3AG
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/missouri-wind-and-solar/syemour-missouri-/missouri-wind-and-solar-mws-do-not-buy-from-this-company-their-turibines-do-not-produce-732525
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/seymour-mo/TI76422UARHGR45TQ
https://plus.google.com/+TheBillythekid2010/posts/d5ViCLAdwKt
http://missouri-wind-and-solar.pissedconsumer.com/
http://www.reviewstalk.com/complaints-reviews/missouri-wind-and-solar-l37140.html

Missouri wind and solar complaints #missouri wind and solar complaints #Fraud #misrepresentation #scam

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#3 REBUTTAL Individual responds

THANK YOU MR. GREEN

AUTHOR: Turbine.King - ()

I feel like I have to yell to be heard.  

This whole pile of comments are not only unwarranted, but childish.  Posting state law doesn't mean a thing.  You have to be in violation, which they cannot possibly prove.  The violations the speak of never happened except in their minds.

THE CEASE AND DESIST being composed in my local courts is designed to stop all this against you and I as a distributor.  It also stops them from attacking Billy Jackson, him being a support agent of yours.

The main man is under the conception that all people are idiots and they will buy into all this.  It appears they are smarter than he gives people for.  Well except for the type of people he surrounds himself with.  His whole plan has apparently backfired.  Even his little clan is disolving except for the omeba.

Thank you for shutting them down with your response Bob.  I am glad to see someone show som facts and not fluff.  Bigger is not always better.

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#4 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Well orginized hoax against us by competing entities

AUTHOR: Bob Green - ()

Hi Folks,  This is Bobby Green here and this report is another hoax.  They are playing games using ripoff report so they can sell more of their products.

These video's tell the whole story better than I can.  And for the record we have great products at great pricing and this fact drives them crazy.  We also let people keep their products and give full cash refunds if  your not 100% happy. DRIVES them crazy and this is how they get even, fake reports on ripoff report.
Watch these video's it tells the whole story better than I can.

vimeo.com/95331975
vimeo.com/84490637
vimeo.com/93420522
vimeo.com/84553196
vimeo.com/93420346

If you want a great deal and good service come see us at:

hydrogenappliances.com - See you there folks - Best regards B Bobby Green

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#5 REBUTTAL Individual responds

This has to be Charles Mccune

AUTHOR: Turbine.King - ()

Charles

You are so full of it.  You need a diaper change too.

All this is propaganda.  You have ZERO proof Thermodyne has violated any laws.  You are wide open for a law suit.  I know Mr. Green and I have discussed this several times recently.  I am in preparation of filing a suit with Bob.

Grow up.  You act like an immature puppet.  Your mentor wasn't so tough without his keyboard either.  Just goes to show who the bully is.

You want Jeff to have a bench warrant on him because you won't shut up either?  Speaking to you IS speaking to Jeff.  You are to stop all this conspiracy crap immediately.

I have other charges I can file on your man, do you want to be responsible for bankrupting him?  Then what will you do?

Your best move to to mind your own business and stop stalking everyone.  You already admitted to that several times.  That's bad man.  It means lots of other issues with you too.

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#6 REBUTTAL Individual responds

You are ordered to Cease and Desist

AUTHOR: Turbine.King - ()

2014-07-17

 

Jeff

I am reminding you there is a Court inspired Cease and Desist in progress.  This one will be signed by a judge and is more powerful.  I am doing my part, you are in violation.  I'm not stalking you as you want to believe, people send me your crap all the time.  The order it to shut you up and lay off Thermodyne and his associates.  Thermodyne says nothing about you.  NOTHING!  He's being professional where you are being just blindly vendictive for some imaginary reason.

You are falsely belittling Thermodyne.  As a distributor of said company, the Cease and Desist is to stop you from imparing my business.  Belittleing Thermodyne IS inparing my business.  This means you cannot run around under false ID's and bad mouth him or me either.  We know it's you or one of your little team.  As you recall, anyone of your distributors or associates are to stop this immediately.  You will be held responsible for their actions in this matter.  Or did you forget that?  Do you want to be detained and have to pay bail?  You must stop all this crap immediately.  This also applies to your distributor making irronious phone calls and fake orders being placed.  That crap is all traceably.

Your actions speak louder than words.  I speak with customers of yours all the time, I am not saying what they say about you.  However, if this does not stop, I will notify the court and have a warrant put out on you.  I will further take civil action.  You continue to provoke everyone because you need the drama.  Well right now, we're 2 for 2 against you in court.  I won here in NJ and Billy beat you in Missouri court this week.  Why can't you get the message?  You are destroying yourself.  You are blinded by revenge for things you did.  You can't be told to stop, you won't listen.  You continue to be defiant at whatever cost.  Your lawyer is soon to be in the hot seat too.  Mark my words mister.  We will stop you.  That's a promise.  It's soon to be getting worse because you will not stop.

Your little world is crumbling.  Why can't you just shut up and worry about your own business?  Why do you have to launch these frivilous vendictive campaigns to destroy a compay or individule like Billy.  You tried it on me, but I won in the end.  You are wasting your money on law suits you can't possibly win.  We've turned your own actions against you.  People aren't as stupid as you think.  

Keep this up and I WILL be in front of the judge.  I am this close to filing a civil suit on you and all your distributors and associates also.  Do you want two of them on you at the same time?  You think a jury will get the message?  We all can't be wrong.  Your little rane of terror is going to stop with your little mob too.  Or what's left of it.

It must drive you crazy you never even to lock eyes with me in the court toom

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#7 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Competators playing games again

AUTHOR: Bob Green - ()

Hi Folks,  This is Bobby Green here and this report is another hoax.  They are playing games useing ripoff report so they can sell more of their products.

These video's tell the whole story better than I can.  And for the record we have great products at great pricing and this fact drives them crazy.  We also let people keep their products and give full cash refunds if  your not 100% happy. DRIVES them crazy and this is how they get even, fake reports on ripoff report.
Watch these video's it tells the whole story better than I can.

vimeo.com/95331975
vimeo.com/84490637
vimeo.com/93420522
vimeo.com/84553196
vimeo.com/93420346

If you want a great deal and good service come see us at:

hydrogenappliances.com - See you there folks - Bob Green

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#8 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Organized effort to use ripoff report to undermine my company

AUTHOR: Bob Green - ()

Hi Folks,  This is Bobby Green here and this report is another hoax.  They are playing games useing ripoff report so they can sell more of their products.

These video's tell the whole story better than I can.  And for the record we have great products at great pricing and this fact drives them crazy.  We also let people keep their products and give full cash refunds if  your not 100% happy. DRIVES them crazy and this is how they get even, fake reports on ripoff report.
Watch these video's it tells the whole story better than I can.

http://vimeo.com/95331975
http://vimeo.com/84490637
http://vimeo.com/93420522
http://vimeo.com/84553196
http://vimeo.com/93420346

If you want a great deal and good service come see us at:

www.hydrogenappliances.com - See you there folks - Bob Green

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#9 REBUTTAL Owner of company

More bullshit from competitors and group

AUTHOR: Bob Green - ()

First off, the IP of this person has been logged and can have requested a copy for our atterny.

The report is a total fake and it does not give a purchase price or invoice date. Also we never talked to this person as we give great customer service and offer refunds at the drop of a hat! All sales $$ run through paypal so people can get there money back if not happy without much effort.  Also everytime thise happens we offer a sale so come get them at the lowest prices in the world.  We are not going away, they are and this is how they compete by slambing others.

Here is some of the bullshit we have incountered in the wind industry thus far


http://vimeo.com/95331975
http://vimeo.com/84490637
http://vimeo.com/93420522
http://vimeo.com/93420346

 

 

 

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AUTHOR: stunghornet - ()

California Business and Professions Code Section 17500

Legal Research Home > California Laws > Business and Professions Code > California Business and Professions Code Section 17500

It is unlawful for any person, firm, corporation or association, or any employee thereof with intent directly or indirectly to dispose of real or personal property or to perform services, professional or otherwise, or anything of any nature whatsoever or to induce the public to enter into any obligation relating thereto, to make or disseminate or cause to be made or disseminated before the public in this state, or to make or disseminate or cause to be made or disseminated from this state before the public in any state, in any newspaper or other publication, or any advertising device, or by public outcry or proclamation, or in any other manner or means whatever, including over the Internet, any statement, concerning that real or personal property or those services, professional or otherwise, or concerning any circumstance or matter of fact connected with the proposed performance or disposition thereof, which is untrue or misleading, and which is known, or which by the exercise of reasonable care should be known, to be untrue or misleading, or for any person, firm, or corporation to so make or disseminate or cause to be so made or disseminated any such statement as part of a plan or scheme with the intent not to sell that personal property or those services, professional or otherwise, so advertised at the price stated therein, or as so advertised. Any violation of the provisions of this section is a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding six months, or by a fine not exceeding two thousand five hundred dollars ($2,500), or by both that imprisonment and fine.

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#11 Consumer Comment

Rip off you are right sir

AUTHOR: Hornetconsumerawarenessworldwide - ()

 Not what you expect: Carbon fiber wind turbine blades 7.7K 0 Is this guide helpful?  This is my second guide on wind turbine blades. My experiences with low-cost solutions have not improved. This time I am talking about those small "carbon fiber" wind turbine blades that are sold predominantly by a seller named Qaz. They are intended to replace Air-X blades and can also be used to drive other wind turbine generators, including the "Hornet" that Qaz sells. I am putting carbon fiber in quotes, because these blades are not what you might expect. Any structural, aeronautical, naval, and automotive engineer would agree with me stating that true carbon fiber is a material used to make light structural components of extreme tensile strength. Sounds great, and it's all true. Carbon fiber revolutionized construction of aircraft and automobiles, to mention only a couple examples. To be strong, carbon fiber is used in a lay-up process, in which carbon fiber cloth is "wetted out" or infused with epoxy resin and then often vacuum-bagged to maintain proper shape, thickness and structure of the new part. Often, composites are made using glass or kevlar in conjunction with carbon. A lay-up process is also used in the construction of the fuselage and other parts of the new Boeing and Airbus aircraft, for example. That is how carbon fiber is properly worked with, and you better trust the know-how when you step into that plane next time.

Now to these blades. They are NOT carbon fiber in the traditional sense. While Qaz claims that these blades contain 50% fiber by weight (maybe, maybe not), they are NOT produced using the lay-up process described above and they are NOT as strong and long-lasting as the description proclaims. Firstly they are produced using cavity moulds into which plastic (probably polypropylene) is filled. The plastic may contain carbon powder or shreds at the best, which becomes obvious once one or all of the blades fail. There are no fibers to hold anything together. The fracture point looks like any porous old plastic (see picture). Those of you who live in colder climates (say Canada, like me) know that plastic gets really brittle in cold temperatures. In cold temperature these blades lose their flexibility and snap off like icicles from your gutter! Knowing this, would you step in to a "carbon fiber" Boeing going up to 33,000 ft and -40 degrees? Of course you would, because you know that real carbon fiber is made DIFFERENTLY! Depending on the wind speed while losing a blade, you could encounter a devastating failure of you entire system. An unbalanced rotor spinning at 1500 RPM or more means trouble. I found blades over 300 yards from where the turbine was. You can imagine how fast these were and you can imagine what could happen if they were to hit a person. Of course Qaz claims that the failure was due to operator related issues and the "contraption" (how he puts ist) these blades were mounted to, however, it was a "Hornet" generator. He also claims that Hornet generators have an induction brake to slow down the rotor and prevent overspeed. My question is, how does that work, if 1) the Hornet does not use a charge controller with heat sink, 2) the batteries are fully charged, 3) there is no flow of current to generate the back-EMF in the generator? I am planning to write another guide on back-EMF brakes in wind turbines. Be patient. So listen to this: Don't waste your money and prevent damage to life and property. Ask yourself thrice whether you really want to buy those blades.

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