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Complaint Review: House Of Fire Sanctuary - Thomas Crain & Sherrie Walton

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  • Submitted: Sun, November 23, 2008
  • Updated: Sun, July 22, 2012

  • Reported By:Gettysburg Pennsylvania
House Of Fire Sanctuary - Thomas Crain & Sherrie Walton
606 York St Gettysburg, Pennsylvania U.S.A.

House Of Fire Sanctuary - Thomas Crain & Sherrie Walton Its what they are doing to other people Gettysburg Pennsylvania

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Louise Bushinger, Queen of Lies

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Good one, Joe

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Joe, I was no Tilton

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Louise Bushinger, Stop Being a Pharisee

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Thank you

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: ENOUGH LOUISE BUSHINGER

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Stealing Sermons

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: omg

*Consumer Comment: HOUSE OF FIRE WOULD STILL BE ONE HECK OF A NAME FOR A BAR-BQ JOINT

*Consumer Comment: RE: House Of Fire Sanctuary

*Consumer Comment: SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY

*Consumer Comment: GET OVER IT RICK!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Article On Thomas Crain From Newspaper

*Consumer Comment: Sounds like Prosperity Gospel Church and THAT Scam can be VERY profitable

*Consumer Comment: Thomas Crain Is a Cult... BEWARE!!

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Sherrie Walton is claiming to be a Dr. of some sort, but has only a fake high school deploma and made a PHD in only a few weeks online.

Thomas Crain is claiming to be a pastor that heals.
To start a man of God doesn't steal another mans wife and live with her not being married. They are running this church out of a motel and not a real church. I have talked to others that feel this is a scam/ fraud because she can't show proof shes a Dr. He has only been here for 4 months and before that moved around to much to stay at one church.

Anonymous
Gettysburg, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 11/23/2008 07:41 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/House-Of-Fire-Sanctuary-Thomas-Crain-Sherrie-Walton/Gettysburg-Pennsylvania-17325/House-Of-Fire-Sanctuary-Thomas-Crain-Sherrie-Walton-Its-what-they-are-doing-to-other-p-394277. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Louise Bushinger, Queen of Lies

AUTHOR: ThomasCrainResponds - (United States of America)


Louise, please stop trying to analyze me and giving your Internet groupies psychological mumbo-jumbo.

Using Sherrie Walton for her money.  Right...   I have my own money that I have earned legitimately.

Louise, again, stop your lying.  Sherrie did not buy me my Mercedes.  The car was paid for by a cashier's check from MY COMPANY and the title is in MY NAME. Get your facts straight, before you start lying against me.

Sherrie Walton is a doctor, with whom I have a great deal of respect for.  There are no silver platters.  Just your plastic spork mentality to think that I con everyone out of everything.  Get your facts straight and stop lying.

I associate with pastors and people who give me spiritual guidance.  Again, stop lying and stop missing your dosages of anti-depressants or anti-psychotic drugs.

Oh Louise, please...    You're a PI?  Most PIs that I know don't give that information away.  It blows their cover.  Yet, you, Internet Queen of Lies, wants everyone to think you are the greatest.

Sherrie knows me, better than most people.  Sherrie also knows that I don't put up with nonsense.
The nonsense of your lies and terroristic threats about me.  As I have said, if you don't stop your lies, I will be forced to take action against you...
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#2 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Good one, Joe

AUTHOR: ThomasCrainResponds - (United States of America)


Joe:

You bring to the table a great idea.  Barbeque place called House of Fire...   I like it.
I'm sure I'd get more business than being an overseer at a church.

People love to eat more than they love Jesus Christ.

People love to discredit people who have been good to them and devour their integrity, intentions, and the Love of Christ that was trying to be shown to them.

It's time for good eatin'.

Thanks again, Joe, for your remarkable idea...  If I ever do get a barbeque place going, I'll post it here and give you free ribs for life!!!!
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#3 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Joe, I was no Tilton

AUTHOR: ThomasCrainResponds - (United States of America)


Joe:

You seem to have a level head here.

You're responding to Louise Bushinger's posts, who obviously was disgruntled for my "breaking up her family" which is untrue...

If Louise Bushinger would be honest on these posts, she would tell you that I always asked people to give what God asked them to give.  I NEVER told people to give me $100 and I would pray for them or if they gave $100 they would get $1,000s in return.

The Bible teaches that if you give, God will give back to you some 30/60/100fold.  The person giving must give with a clear conscience and with joy, what they purpose in their heart...

If I was such a con artist, while I was in South Dakota, at House of Fire Sanctuary, why did I have to close the doors because people's tithes didn't keep the doors open?  Rent was $2,500/month, tithes were less than $300 per week by local congregants.  Do the math.

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#4 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Louise Bushinger, Stop Being a Pharisee

AUTHOR: ThomasCrainResponds - (United States of America)


Louise:

I've already responded to this nonsense about Social Security Disability scams... But I will say it again, and maybe it will sink in this time.

I had nothing to do with Social Security Disability.  My friend, Sherrie did.  SHE DID NOT SCAM ANYONE.  Lying about someone, without all the facts is simply ignorance.  You can't scam someone out of disability.  It's a federally funded program in which representatives, such as Sherrie Walton, would help people who have a disability to obtain back pay for the pain they've suffered.

Sherrie Walton and other disability representatives don't get paid until the disabled party receives backpay.  It's a percentage of what is recovered.  CREDIT CARDS ARE NEVER USED IN ANY TRANSACTIONS...   So again, STOP LYING...

Sherrie Walton has never done anything wrong by you. Yet, you feel so compelled to discredit her integrity and reputation.  Only someone who is jealous and evil would do such a thing.

Despite what the demons in your head are telling you, I worked very hard to get my Mercedes-Benz. I worked honestly and legitimately to get it, despite your claims that I scam everyone to get it. Shame on you.  God gave it to me for my obedience to Him.  I've told you and your family this.  It's only you who can't remember, don't want to remember, and want those who read your trash to believe.

I did not rip off a real estate broker in New York, such as you claim.  You are correct about my not completing it, because my client wanted to turn his web project over to someone who was local.  The project was far too large for me to continue.  I did NOT scam him and we parted on good terms.

Again, Louise Bushinger, stop your lying...


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#5 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Thank you

AUTHOR: ThomasCrainResponds - (United States of America)

Maureen Maxson:

There are many things that you've done, for which I am thankful.
Harassing me on the Internet is not one of them.

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#6 REBUTTAL Individual responds

ENOUGH LOUISE BUSHINGER

AUTHOR: ThomasCrainResponds - (United States of America)

Louise,

You truly need to stop your terroristic threats against me.  If you don't stop, I will personally fly to South Dakota, go to the local police department and have you arrested.  How can I do that?  There are laws against what you're doing.  Lying, harassing, and trying to destroy my reputation.

Please don't forget:  You and your husband still owe me $2,700 that was a LOAN to get you from your miserable home in Forest Lake to the beautiful home in South Dakota.  This money was loaned to you and your husband with the heart of God in mind.

I am asking you to please stop.  Otherwise, you will spend up to 5 years in prison to think about what you're doing to me.

The Federal Cyberstalking Law On January 5, 2006, President Bush signed Section 113 of the Violence Against Women Act into law. It amends 47 U.S.C. 223, the telecommunications harassment statute that is rooted in the Communications Act of 1934.The telecommunications statute bans anyone from using a telephone or a telecommunications device without disclosing their identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person. This applies to Internet-based communications as well. (Section 113 amends the statute to include any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet.") Penalties for this crime are punishable by fines up to $50,000 and/or imprisonment for up to two years.

The Communications Act, as amended, now reads:"Whoever...utilizes any device or software that can be used to originate telecommunications or other types of communications that are transmitted, in whole or in part, by the Internet... without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy, abuse, threaten, or harass any person...who receives the communications...shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than two years, or both."
Enacted cyber-bullying/harassment/stalking federal legislation:
18 U.S.C. section 2425 - Whoever, using the mail or any facility or means of interstate or foreign commerce, or within the special maritime and territorial jurisdiction of the United States, knowingly initiates the transmission of the name, address, telephone number, social security number, or electronic mail address of another individual, knowing that such other individual has not attained the age of 16 years, with the intent to entice, encourage, offer, or solicit any person to engage in any sexual activity for which any person can be charged with a criminal offense, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

18 U.S.C. 875(c) Making a federal crime, punishable by up to five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000, to transmit any communication in interstate or foreign commerce containing a threat to injure the person of another. Section 875(c) applies to any communication actually transmitted in interstate or foreign commerce - thus it includes threats transmitted in interstate or foreign commerce via the telephone, e-mail, beepers, or the Internet.

47 U.S.C. 223 - Making a federal crime, punishable by up to two years in prison, to use a telephone or telecommunications device to annoy, abuse, harass, or threaten any person at the called number. The statute also requires that the perpetrator not reveal his or her name.

Interstate Stalking Act - Makes it a crime for any person to travel across state lines with the intent to injure or harass another person and, in the course thereof, places that person or a member of that person's family in a reasonable fear of death or serious bodily injury. See: 18 U.S.C. 2261A.
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#7 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Stealing Sermons

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

This dirty snake thomas crain stole his sermons directly from the internet that other "pastors" have used..
This just gets more and more interesting..Where is he.. I wanna hang him!!  you dirty snake crain.. go to h**l !!
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#8 REBUTTAL Owner of company

omg

AUTHOR: lets play - (U.S.A.)

thomas you have never had someone who loved you so much.... you know who i am talking about and she would have gone 2 jail for your stupid crap.... for the last X amount of years she has not changed her phone number..... she still lives with all of your secrets...... will not let them go.... she loved perhaps still loves you so much she would have given her life for you..... hope you have the same thing in PA you dumba**
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#9 Consumer Comment

HOUSE OF FIRE WOULD STILL BE ONE HECK OF A NAME FOR A BAR-BQ JOINT

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

mmmmmmmmmmm.. PORK RIBS AND STEAKS AND CHICKENS AND ALL SORTS OF FAVORITE SMOKED MEAT SPECIALITIES, TENDER AND JUICY

IT MIGHT BE A WAY FOR THESE PEOPLE TO MAKE AN HONEST BUCK

I HAVE NO USE FOR THIS CHARISMATIC CHRISTIAN NONSENSE

BUT EVERYBODY CAN USE A GOOD BAR BQ PLACE!

OR MAYBE THE BAR BQ SMOKE AND OPEN FLAME REMIND THESE SUPERSTITIOUS PEOPLE OF THE FLAMES OF HELL...

AT ANY RATE,I DIDN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE OF THIS ENTIRE POST. HE SAID, SHE SAID WITH A FUNDAMENTALIST, CHARISMATIC GOTHIC BACKGROUND...

FORGET THAT HYPOCRITICAL RELIGIOUS NONSENSE AND ACCUSATIONS AND PULL UP A CHAIR AT THE HOUSE OF FIRE AND EAT SOME CABRITO AND DRINK SOME ICE COLD BEER AND THINGS WILL BE BETTER FOR EVERYBODY!

THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME WHY I DO NOT GO TO THE PRIVATE SOCIAL CLUBS THAT THESE CHURCHES AND SYNAGOGUES AND TEMPLES AND PAGODAS TEND TO BE.
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#10 Consumer Comment

RE: House Of Fire Sanctuary

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

If you KNOW Thomas Crain, Then you KNOW he has the personality of a Socio Path.
Don't believe me? Just look up the definition, you will see for yourself, but only if you KNOW him. The paranoia this man has is a major giveaway.

It sounds like you love sherrie and want to protect her. If you want to protect her and her $$$ then you will help her to see the man for who he really is, and he is using her for her $. Sherrie can make her own decisions, she is an adult, but she is blind sided. I know who the real sherrie walton is. Mr. Crain does too, that is why he is with her.

Mr. Crain did not earn his car by working, Sherrie bought it for him. CA$H. He claims God blessed him with the $ to buy it out right. That was through sherrie and her $.

The man works? ha!! He works alright, he works at ripping people off including Sherrie Walton!
He owes the IRS money, why would he want to be on a payroll only to have it taken by the IRS, when he has Sherrie to hand him whatever he wants over on a silver platter.

How many other pastors does Crain associate with? NONE! He does not want to, because he is hiding something.Please see this man for who he really is. He is a phoney and a user and a liar. The personalities of a socio path.

Sounds like Sherrie is caught in yet another web of mental abuse by a man. If she marries Mr. Crain, all her $ will be gone, gone, gone by him.
I do work for a living, I am a P.I. and I have many facts about the fake Rev.

This is what happens to people who date people from the internet. Sherrie is not safe with him. Again, she is an adult and can make her own decisions. Someday she will see him for who he really is. God will show her.
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#11 Consumer Comment

SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

To whom ever wrote this foolishness;
You don't rip people off when you help them get Social Security Disability. If you win a case, you get whatever the Social Security Administration releases to you. You are sent a notice of the amount, and so is the SS Representative. Why don't you get a life and stop nagging these people? Go get some help...you need it!
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#12 Consumer Comment

GET OVER IT RICK!

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

I personally know Sherrie Walton and have known her for over 20 years. I have worked with her, prayed with her and gone to church with her for years on end. This report was nothing more then an ex husband who always expected his wife to forgive him for what ever he did. He has a history of being violent to his wife, many times lying to her, and the 2 things that drove her to a divorce were that he was lazy and would NEVER keep a job, even to the point of cutting his thumb partially off on a table saw so he didn't have to work and leaving her with no health insurance and a transplant recipient who had to set out jars in stores to try and get enough money to pay for transplant drugs!!! How hideous is that??? The second...she found her husbands penis on an adult website. She actually emailed the site to me and many other church members to prove she wasn't fabricating anything. She found his sign in information and emailed it to all of us and told us to not be ashamed of her for sending us to this site of porn, but it was Rick (her ex husband) on that site. We asked her how she knew it was him and she told us to look at the bathroom decor, and sure enough it was hers.
This poor woman was abused mentally and USED for the length of this marriage by this man and he should be in jail in my opinion for all he's done to her and is STILL trying to do to her. He aimed a shotgun at her point blank! GET OVER IT RICK! You married Valerie 2 weeks after your divorce was final...leave Sherrie alone! She works for God and not you nor your satanic works are going to change that! I've met the Pastor of House of Fire Sanctuary and he is a BLESSING and yes, he does have the gift of healing and many other gifts as ordained Ministers of the Word do. I've been to his church and it is a Holy Spirit filled church where God is indeed present and alive. They have services in a motel conference room because you don't waste God's money on big buildings until you have a big congregation. Of course your demented mind is only about pity-party's for yourself so you wouldn't understand that. No body is ever ripped off. How does the Pastor afford an expensive car?...HE WORKS!!! Something you don't know anything about either! You said Sherrie claims to be a doctor, she is, and a great one. No PHD has ever been discussed or referenced. She is a Christian Counselor...something I could recommend YOU get Rick! She has counseled myself and other church members for years...She paid for and earned every bit of her learning and degree's. You're so stuck on whining and complaining about her you can't even see straight Rick. Sherrie's mother funded all of the food you ate, she paid for that red truck you drove, AND she wound up paying for that tractor you sold for what, $12,000.00 and sent $10,000.00 to a Russian internet girl who scammed you into thinking you were paying to bring her over here!! I still have the emails of all those letters she sent me for safe keeping. Don't make yourself out to be so innocent Rick...because your not. Leave Dr. Sherrie alone and when you address her, give her the respect she has earned and call her DR. Sherrie...Again...Get over it!!!
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#13 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Article On Thomas Crain From Newspaper

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

At the beginning of the road
Lately, I have been looking into the mirror a lot. I have been checking to see if my dunce cap is straight. I also turn around to see how much of my derrire is still left after being taken in by the Reverend Thomas Crain and his Zephyr Marketing. There are a lot of us doing that in Ely. Rev. Crain was a master of salesmanship. He always had a bright positive air about him. Even now there are employees who have not been paid who still wish to support him. One wonders if we as a community should change our attitudes towards new business and outsiders?
I have always admired people who start new businesses. I have started several myself and know how hard it is. The fact is over 90% of all businesses fail in the first two years. That is not a good success rate. It is amazing anyone is foolish enough to try, yet it is the secret of our country's prosperity. Even with 90% failing, the other 10% manages to create wealth, jobs and security. My openness to someone who wants to start a business in Ely is the secret to my success in the leasing business, but it is, also, my weakness. It allows someone to come in and fail. It allows someone to leave me with bad checks. Whenever a business fails in Ely everyone talks about it. When one fails because of dishonesty and fraud it really gets talked about. It even rated a five minute TV report on KMSP in Minneapolis.

Steer Clear of this crook!

In a way I feel sorry for the Rev. Crain. Even though he owes me over $3,000 I liked his can-do attitude. I liked the fact that he wanted to create jobs and help our community. The ironic thing is that if he used his talents honestly he probably would be a success. Now he has to deal with the Minnesota Attorney General's Office, the Postal Inspector's Fraud Department in Minneapolis and eventually the IRS. His life is going to be very complex.

I found it odd last summer when Crain told me he did not have any friends in Minneapolis. Now I know why. He cannot afford to stay in one place for any length of time. That is the price of always using other people's money and possessions. What I have learned of Rev. Crain is that he has a long trail of unpaid bills.
I have seen people like this before. They outwardly act as sincere and honest people. Inwardly, they plot for every advantage they can get. Some call this the Clinton disease. President Clinton still does not understand the moral wrong he did with Monica. Just the other day Clinton stated that beating impeachment was one of his administra-tion's greatest accomplishments. I find that hard to understand. Where is the shame?

I feel sorry for all those who have been taken advantage of by Crain. I felt sorry to the small copier business in Minneapolis that leased Zephyr a copier and has not seen a payment in six months. They were very surprised to find their copier is now 240 miles away.

I feel sorry for the honest employees who were duped by Crain with his promises of high pay and big bonuses. A year from now it will be a faded memory, at least for those of us who are honest. We will move on. For Rev. Crain, it will probably be business as usual. He will move to another town, maybe another state and continue to do what he does best cheat people. What a pathetic life. He can never put down roots, never own a home, never know when someone will recognize him from the past, never have any long term friends.
Finally, I feel sorry for those that try to start a new business, because folks like Rev. Crain give entrepreneurs a bad name. Most people are basically honest. They may drive over the speed limit on the freeway or do some other small infraction that does not harm anyone.
Then there are the Rev. Crains who take advantage of human nature and our liberal laws on bad checks. They play the system like a harp from hell and can go for years without paying the piper. They know that it takes a mountain of evidence before any state attorney general's office actually takes legal action. I just find the price of no roots, no friends, and no family life, a life not worth living. There are many forms of wealth and Rev. Crain will find they cannot be bought with dirty money and bad checks.
I urge anyone who has been wronged by Rev. Crain, to complain loudly to the Attorney General's office. Write to: Mr. Don Donahugh, MN Attorney General Office, 102 State Capital, St. Paul, MN 55155. A call to the Department of Revenue would be a good idea. While you are at it, report him ...???????

This was reported in Oct 2000 from the ely echo.
This crook must be stopped!!
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#14 Consumer Comment

Sounds like Prosperity Gospel Church and THAT Scam can be VERY profitable

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

If you know who Robert Tilton is, you will know what a Prosperity Gospel Scam is. It made him millions of dollars --tax-free- by licensing himself as a church and getting a license to preach and conning his followers to pay him as much money as possible -- "to give until it hurts!" " No Pain, No Gain!"

The Prosperity Gospel is a con game generally run in charismatic Christian or non-denominational churches which have a tax-exemption but to keep it, they have to have regularily scheduled worship services at a "church."

The typical Prosperity Gospel preacher really worships money and some of the folks who attend do too.

The scam is that the preacher promises if you give as MUCH MONEY TO HIM/HER THAT YOU CAN, GOD WILL BLESS ALL OF YOUR ENDEAVORS AND YOU WILL SUCCEED IN EVERYTHING YOU TRY TO DO ( Also known as the SUCCESS GOSPEL.)

And for every $100 you give, you will get $1,000 back or some other unrealistic sum --which, of couse,you never do and by the time you have no money to give and realize that you have been RIPPED OFF, you are disfellowshipped ( you can be accused of being a witch or being possessed with demons, etc.) and all of the love and fellowship you experienced there turns out to be FAKE just like the miracles you were promised tht never happened and all the money you gave --- disappeared into the pockets of the preacher.

You don't need to rip off people's social security incomes, you can o very nicely ripping off everybody!

For a better explanation of how this works, please enter Robert Tilton and Benny Hinn in the ROR Search Engine.

There is NO BASIS for a Fifth Gospel.... REAL CHRISTIANITY HAS BASICALLY FOUR GOSPELS -- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.

I admit I am not an expert on Christianity but I know a RIP OFF when I see one.

And these guys APPEAR to have a scam going!
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Thomas Crain Is a Cult... BEWARE!!

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

I have had my suspisions about MR Crain, and after doing numerous searches on google, I also found out that Mr Crain and MS Sherrie Walton are running Social Security Disability scams on the internet, raking in thousands of dollars. How else do you think he can afford a $50,000 Mercedes??!!
Please, do not give these rip offs any of your money. They make enough scamming people on the internet. Just do a google search on thomas crain or sherrie walton. You will see what I am talking about.

He/they need to be shut down NOW! He is a cult.
He also ripped off a real estate broker in New York, designing a website and never completed it.
Please help put these people in jail, NOW!!
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