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| Hudson Energy, Just Energy 16 Four Seasons Place, Suite 211
Etobicoke, Ontario United States of America |
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Hudson Energy, Just Energy John Roche, Etobicoke Regional Unethical hiring practices and not getting paid from the company to begin with, must chase the agents for payment, company not providing agent pay stubs for appointment bookings Etobicoke, Ontario
*UPDATE Employee: Thank you for your warning!
*Author of original report: This is no LIE, you will get scammed by John Roche
*Consumer Comment: Small Minded Jelous Person Making Up Lies
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Warning to all professional sales people who are recruited into working as an independent contractor for Just Energy and Hudson Energy in this particular commercial sales office at 16 Four Seasons Place, Suite211, Etobicoke, Ontario, Canada, M9B6E5. The management there (John Roche, Trevor Small, Leanne Evans, will tell you that you must book appointments for the existing agents and you will get paid 30% of the commission from the sales rep's commission for booking the appointment. Next, when it is time to get paid your cut for booking the appointments, you will have to chase the sales rep to get your portion of the commission because you do not get paid directly from the company. There is no enforcement of this pay scam. They do not give you a copy of the sales rep pay stub so that you can verify your efforts for booking the appointments. I hope that Just Energy and Hudson Energy executives will shut down this office down for misleading sales professionals in this industry. John Roche uses the zig ziggler, tom hopkins to brainwash all the agents wich is the only positive thing about this place, other than that, you will lose at least 6 to 12 weeks of income before you figure that this is all smoke and mirrors.
This office is a joke! This office is a discrace to the natural gas and electricity marketing industry. Their top salesman, Glen Lancaster makes about one millions dollars per year, he is an ex con criminal that has served time in jail for fraud, lives in Kingston area, never in the office. All you need to do is google Glen Lancaster,from Kinston Ontario Just Energy scam and you will read about all the lawsuits againts him from commercial clients who have sued Just Energy for altering contracts after being signed because he would check off the green option on the contract after the client has signed to bump up the price in order to get a higher commission. Hudson Energy is a division of Just Energy and formerly operated as Ontario Energy Savings Group. Above all, the rates that Just Energy and Hudson Energy offer their commercial customers are not very competive. Stay clear as commercial customer and stay clear as a new recruit! There are many other energy companies out there that treat the new people much better than these grease monkeys! Also, check out the Ontario Energy Board to find out how many fines that this company has been awarded. Oh, and by the way, the company owes back pay for residual payments and all the existing agents are stuck working there because they think they will get paid out one day.
This office is a joke! This office is a discrace to the natural gas and electricity marketing industry. Their top salesman, Glen Lancaster makes about one millions dollars per year, he is an ex con criminal that has served time in jail for fraud, lives in Kingston area, never in the office. All you need to do is google Glen Lancaster,from Kinston Ontario Just Energy scam and you will read about all the lawsuits againts him from commercial clients who have sued Just Energy for altering contracts after being signed because he would check off the green option on the contract after the client has signed to bump up the price in order to get a higher commission. Hudson Energy is a division of Just Energy and formerly operated as Ontario Energy Savings Group. Above all, the rates that Just Energy and Hudson Energy offer their commercial customers are not very competive. Stay clear as commercial customer and stay clear as a new recruit! There are many other energy companies out there that treat the new people much better than these grease monkeys! Also, check out the Ontario Energy Board to find out how many fines that this company has been awarded. Oh, and by the way, the company owes back pay for residual payments and all the existing agents are stuck working there because they think they will get paid out one day.
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Thank you for your warning!
AUTHOR: HonestCreditCardProcessing - ()
SUBMITTED: Monday, April 15, 2013
I just attended an information session and hiring meeting with John Roche and Trevor last week, and so far everything that you have written about in your report is the same as what I experienced.
In brief, I want to say THANK YOU for your warning, and I will be immediately emailing John Roche to let him know that I am no longer interested in joining his team or attending training which starts this Monday April 22nd at their office.
In brief, I want to say THANK YOU for your warning, and I will be immediately emailing John Roche to let him know that I am no longer interested in joining his team or attending training which starts this Monday April 22nd at their office.
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What's this? #2 Author of original report
This is no LIE, you will get scammed by John Roche
AUTHOR: Energy Guy - ()
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, March 27, 2013
Good Luck with your efforts at Hudson & Just Energy office in Etobicoke (John Roche's office). I have been in this industry for years and you are just getting into it or I suspect that you are John Roche trying to do damage control. When it comes for you to get paid by either Doug Bloomfield, Glen Lancaster and I am sure other agents are in on it, remember you dont get paid from the company because you are not an agent yet and Leanne is holding on to your JE and Hudson Energy Independent Contractor agreement without processing it with the company. They will use you for booking appointments. That is John Roche's scam. He will not help you when you need to chase these agents for your cash money from the appointments that you booked for the agents. It's hard to get paid when you dont have a contract with the agent, to use you for booking appointments and then they will hope you quit and that the agent does not have to pay you because your not around anymore. Great scam John! keep feeding your agents new recruits to book appointments for your agents and then dont help them get paid.\
Outline of John Roche's Scam:
Hire new outside agents and then tell them that they are inside sales for existing agents.
Give the new recruits a contract from Hudson and JE. (but you do not get your ECPA training until to following step.) so your not an agent yet, and inside sales does not get paid from JE or HE, only the existing agents do.
Tell the new recruit that they dont get paid from JE or Hudson but rather from the existing agent that they pair you up with. (you do not have an agreement with the agent)
Now you have to keep track of all customers that the agent that closed for your appointments.
Tell new inside recruit that they do not become an agent until you set up 14 appointments that have successfully been closed by outside agent for you to get your ECPA licence from the OEB.
Once you have successfully got your ECPA training licence, now you have to chase your money from the agents that you booked for and go out and sign your own deals.
You go cry to John about you not getting paid from your previous appointments that you booked for the existing agents.
John does nothing, you quit, and then John and Trevor continue to hire new recruits to replace you! bye bye and thanks!
Remember, the OEB licencing and training is only for EPCA customers, under 50000 m3 and under 150000 kwh per year. You do not need a licence for selling contract above these thresholds as per the OEB. But they dont tell you this because its part of the graduating from inside appointment setting to becoming an agent. All this so that you can be exploited
Outline of John Roche's Scam:
Hire new outside agents and then tell them that they are inside sales for existing agents.
Give the new recruits a contract from Hudson and JE. (but you do not get your ECPA training until to following step.) so your not an agent yet, and inside sales does not get paid from JE or HE, only the existing agents do.
Tell the new recruit that they dont get paid from JE or Hudson but rather from the existing agent that they pair you up with. (you do not have an agreement with the agent)
Now you have to keep track of all customers that the agent that closed for your appointments.
Tell new inside recruit that they do not become an agent until you set up 14 appointments that have successfully been closed by outside agent for you to get your ECPA licence from the OEB.
Once you have successfully got your ECPA training licence, now you have to chase your money from the agents that you booked for and go out and sign your own deals.
You go cry to John about you not getting paid from your previous appointments that you booked for the existing agents.
John does nothing, you quit, and then John and Trevor continue to hire new recruits to replace you! bye bye and thanks!
Remember, the OEB licencing and training is only for EPCA customers, under 50000 m3 and under 150000 kwh per year. You do not need a licence for selling contract above these thresholds as per the OEB. But they dont tell you this because its part of the graduating from inside appointment setting to becoming an agent. All this so that you can be exploited
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What's this? #3 Consumer Comment
Small Minded Jelous Person Making Up Lies
AUTHOR: ver - (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Wednesday, February 13, 2013
I felt it necessaryt to write this report even though I don't beleive in websites like this much. I have been looking into this opportunity and while telling a family member they brought this to my attention.
Before responding to a call back I received from John at the Etobicoke office for an interview, I did my own extensive investigation.
As for the office, I went in for an interview and everything seemed fine to me and the people were very nice. John does use a lot of sales inuendos and references great salespeople but I would say as more of a motavation. If your so small minded to be "brain washed" you have bigger issues!
I also talked to people who had been making calls for outside agents and they(the ones who were doing there jobs) had all been paid by there outside reps.
I looked into this issue about there top sales rep (Glenn) and there is only one law suite against him or Just Energy because of one of his's customer's. If he really is the top guy, that's a pretty good ratio!
As for checking this green energy box for extra commission, I found out this is an outright lie! First there are no law suites based on this, second I found out there is a confirmation call that has to be made with the customer and they have to agree to take a product or not on a recorded call.
As for this guy's past- Who Cares! We all have pasts!
I for one am going to take this opportunity and if I don't make it, I won;t be looking for other people to blame and talking down about people because I'm jelous!
Before responding to a call back I received from John at the Etobicoke office for an interview, I did my own extensive investigation.
As for the office, I went in for an interview and everything seemed fine to me and the people were very nice. John does use a lot of sales inuendos and references great salespeople but I would say as more of a motavation. If your so small minded to be "brain washed" you have bigger issues!
I also talked to people who had been making calls for outside agents and they(the ones who were doing there jobs) had all been paid by there outside reps.
I looked into this issue about there top sales rep (Glenn) and there is only one law suite against him or Just Energy because of one of his's customer's. If he really is the top guy, that's a pretty good ratio!
As for checking this green energy box for extra commission, I found out this is an outright lie! First there are no law suites based on this, second I found out there is a confirmation call that has to be made with the customer and they have to agree to take a product or not on a recorded call.
As for this guy's past- Who Cares! We all have pasts!
I for one am going to take this opportunity and if I don't make it, I won;t be looking for other people to blame and talking down about people because I'm jelous!
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