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Complaint Review: Hudson Marketing Solutions

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  • Submitted: Tue, February 26, 2013
  • Updated: Tue, March 05, 2013

  • Reported By: Jane — Summit New Jersey United States of America
Hudson Marketing Solutions
690 8th Ave. 4th Floor New York, New York United States of America

Hudson Marketing Solutions THG of NY, Sydetra, Brenda Bernal, The Henry Group of New York, THG of New York, Polaris, EQM, EQ Marketing, Polaris, New York Business Partners, Alpha Global Marketing, Northstar Consulting, 7Marketi pyramid scheme, multi-level marketing scheme New York, New York

*Author of original report: So they say

*UPDATE Employee: Free phones for the underemployed

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Having always worked for legitimate companies. I had no idea scams like "The
Henry Group" aka "THG of NY" existed when I applied for the job.
 In retrospect, there were a million red flags which should have told me
to keep my old job where I had benefits and made an hourly wage, and that I
should have run like hell from "The Henry Group" aka "THG".

 

* The Company is Constantly changing names to escape bad reviews online and connive
unsuspecting job seekers into accepting employment.

The Henry Group aka THG of NY is owned and operated by Brenda Bernal.  She is an
illiterate woman who was promoted to management in this multi-level marketing
scheme by Elana Stein (formerly of Polaris now renamed EQ Charity).  The
Henry Group presents itself as an entry level training program to promote you
to management running your own marketing company. [continued below]....
.....  This is complete crap.
 The job is 100% commission door-to-door sales.  You are expected to
work from 11:30 am until 9:00 pm every day knocking on doors in selling energy
for the extremely sketchy company Direct Energy.

For the first four weeks you work you do not receive a paycheck.  You sign away
all your rights with an "independent contractor agreement" which
basically indicates that you are self employed, that you will not be
compensated for any of the hours you work and you are all on your own if
someone decides to sue you or something for trespassing in an attempt to sell
them energy.  You are paid on a 10-99 which means that you are responsible
for all of your own taxes and not entitled to minimum wage or unemployment.
 Brenda couldn't afford to pay you minimum wage anyway, because she
doesn't make any money either. 

When hired, you will be promised that in 6 months you will build your own team and
be promoted to assistant manager at which point you will double the amount of
commissions you make and begin "saving" to open your own office.
 In reality... it takes at least a year to be promoted to assistant
manager if you manage to last that long.  No one in Brenda's office has
ever been promoted to assistant manager.  To be an assistant manager you
have to have a "team" which requires scamming more people to come
work for free for this despicable company.

They will tell you that you make 500-800 dollars a week as "Corporate Trainer"
which is the second "level" or position on your road to
"management".  However, most employees make $350 a week if they
are lucky.  None of them can afford to pay their taxes or live by
themselves and most are barely scraping by.  Brenda claims to make 80,000
dollars a year, but she is constantly overdrawn on her bank account and lives
with 5 other people on 135th st.   

The only people making money in this business are Elana Stein and Raf Diaz who will soon
be married.  When an assistant manager becomes manager, the
"promoting owner" receives a $20,000 bonus (herein lies the pyramid
scheme).

Whatever you do, do not work for this company or any of the other companies operating
out of 690 8th Ave.  They are all scams.  You will be expected to
work 60 hours a week on straight commission... when it comes time to get paid
you will be told that for some inexplicable reason or another your accounts
have been cancelled.  Many people work for a week or two only to quit and
never receive a paycheck.  As an "independent contractor" you
are responsible for your phone and travel expenses which will be major as you
have to make all the calls yourself and travel all over the city going door to
door selling energy.  

If you need to take a day off or call out sick you will be penalized and not given
interviews (thereby making it even harder for you to theoretically get promoted
because without interviews you cannot build your team).  You have to be at
work every day at 11:30 am for leaders meetings.  You have to come back to
the office every night for "PM Atmosphere".  You have to work
Saturdays even if you close 40 accounts because "your guys" (people
you are training) have to be there.  This makes you an employee not an
independent contractor.  

The average person works at the Henry Group for around a week.  Interviews leave in
the middle of their "Day of Observation" all the time.  No one
ever gets promoted.  If you want to work like a slave for sub-minimum
wage.  Who is Henry?  Brenda's Pug.  The company is named after
her dog.  Don't work here.  You could make more money begging on the
subway.

Lee Tyler may be responsible for interviewing you.  He will say that he has only been with the company for a few months, maybe a year.  In fact, he has been with the company two years and never been promoted because people smarten up and quit before he is able to build his "team".  He is brainwashed and truly believes that he can "legitimize" this business, even if he admits that Brenda is a stupid, useless, lying, cheating whore.  At first I felt bad for him, but given that he has spent two years trying to convince people that this shit job is legitimate, and that he convinced me to leave my legitimate company where I was paid hourly + commission + benefits to come work for this scheme, I no longer feel the need to protect him.  Look at his shoes, there are holes in the soles from walking so many miles and being unable to afford new ones.


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#1 Author of original report

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AUTHOR: Jane - (United States of America)

First of all:  Do you really want to gain "Work Experience" from a company that you can't even put on your resume, because even if YOU believe it's legitimate, your future employers will likely google it, and find that you were working for a pyramid scheme ripping of unsuspecting consumers, often perpetrating fraud and the like (I am certain rebuttal from above will explain that they were giving phones to poor people, a campaign that ended over a year ago and only lasted a month or two because the agents in the field committed fraud and the office was removed from the campaign).

The response from above employee has been very carefully crafted.  Though the author used a lot of words, there is very little, if any, substance.  Hudson Marketing and the other "companies" that are the spawn of Raf Diaz and Alanna Stein (Alana Stein-Diaz?) have such terrible press on the computer that one of their former "business owners" (who failed, as so many of them do... based on the fact that the pyramid is an unsustainable business model for anyone other than those at the top <this includes so-called "owners">) now works full time hawking his skills to the masses trolling the internet for bad press and publishing these baseless "rebuttals".  If you google pissed and petty + raf diaz + universal online promotions, you will come across these "positive" reviews of the "company" that are periodically posted by the employees.  If you dig a little deeper, and google "DS-Max The Aftermath" you will learn the depth of this scam, going back to the days when Credico (Raf Diaz and Derek Colantonio's brain-dead child still fell under the umbrella of Cydcor/DS-Max).  

I forget his name, but the guy responsible for "creating a web presence" for these sham companies makes up twitter and other social media accounts which he then updates with useless information in an attempt to basically jam-up the search engine.  Fortunately, it isn't to hard to break through this veil of B.S. because of the sheer volume of bad press received for these companies online.

For those who see a future in said "business" these threads provide invaluable information written not by corporate trainers, but by former "business owners" who slaved their way to the "top" (technically the middle) with promises of 80,000+ a year salaries and vacations and freedom only to find that they were GROSSING 80k (if that) and from that 80k they had to pay their employees, pay taxes (for themselves, not their "independent contractors") and pay rent.  The life of a manager is spending 60+ hours a week endlessly lying to and deceiving naive college grads and desperate job seekers trying to convince them to work for your company.  Having reached management (in order to do so, you have to invest 15,000 in the company, and sign many non-disclosure agreements promising that you will only get your campaigns from Credico.  Someone from Credico will also be responsible for all your finances, and (if you find that you aren't making enough money to pay your bills and start borrowing against you business account, you find that "your business account" isn't really yours at all, and that access can be cut off.  In fact, managers are lucky if they make 30,000 a year (before taxes).  If you subtract approximately 18% for taxes that's a take-home of 24,600 or 473/week.  With NO paid sick time or vacation time, said manager is making 473/week.  If the manager worked only 40 hours, s/he would be working at a rate of 11.83/hour.  But, managers work more like 60-80 hours/week meaning 7.88-5.91 an hour.  Basically, having slaved for (minimum year and half, maximum 6+ years) to make management, managers are barely making minimum wage and no overtime. They still have no benefits.  

You may have a surge in employees in May having just rounded up a bunch of defenseless college graduates, but by september they might all come to their senses, and by Christmas you will find that you only have one or two "trainers" and no "team" to speak of.  When this happens, you, the MANAGER... who spent many drunken nights explaining to your now absent team about your "days in the field" will find yourself back in the field, exactly where you started.  You will beg other offices to lend you their corporate trainers to come out in the field with "your guys" to help train a new team.  If this fails, you will find yourself on a re-train, stripped of your manager title, back in the field, and now even more broke than ever, because on top of everything else, you now have rent and office expenses to be responsible for.

Elana and Raf at their conventions and morning meetings will explain how the opportunity to own your own business is so superior to working 9-5 like a slave at an office job.  These "Sheep" may only work 40 hours a week, have benefits, disability insurance, make a salary instead of an hourly wage (and even a 9-5 worker paid hourly is at LEAST entitled to minimum wage).  Working for a corporation, you are not responsible for your office expenses and rent.  If you have a problem with an employee... HR takes care of it.  ALSO... working for a corporation, unless you are employed as the maintenance, you will never have to be responsible for cleaning the bathroom for "guests".  At real companies, those workplaces without anything to hide... they keep their name as a sign of pride, don't change it every six months to something "hard to google" to try and avoid bad press.  "Black Ops, Northstar, Universal Online Promotions, New England Marketing, Atlantic Business Partners, Global Give Back, EQ Marketing, Ace Marketing, Unique Marketing Group, Kore Integrated, Transcend Consulting Inc, Live to Give LLC, Arsenal Marketing Inc, DLDM Marketing Solutions" These names are purposely ambiguous.  The Credico magazine that I received while I worked there is curiously devoid of any email addresses or web sites aside from "Credicomag@gmail.com" 
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Free phones for the underemployed

AUTHOR: shopaholic - (United States of America)

I have been working at hudson marketing for five weeks now, and I'm beginning to see where alot of the termoil, confusion, and negative reviews are coming from.  I chose to write what I see in the company as positives and things as a company we would like to work on moving forward.

First, I like and dislike that it's a small business; that means not everyone really knows what they're doing all the time, and it's exciting to grow in a small team environment.  Let's face when you put people who just started teaching people how to give out phones three months ago, they aren't always on point.  I was explained what to do, and three days later I would learn why we do certain things so I can get promoted faster.  Three days earlier to me it seemed crazy to be given a structure for my speech, and then I saw someone who could barely speak in front of two people let alone 10.

Mostly, I like that I have the opportunity to build my credibility for my true passion, hospitality marketing.  Working with a subsidiary of a major phone company is giving me way more experience than my biggest client did when I worked with in my previous marketing career.

All in all, it's a great place to work for my career goals, not here, but more in advertising.  I don't mind working a bit harder, and
learning 10+ lessons each day about myself, so I have the opportunity to do my dream job, and be able to take vacations with my future wife.
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