• Report: #673406

Complaint Review: IMachine Group.com LLC

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  • Submitted: Sun, December 19, 2010
  • Updated: Tue, May 13, 2014

  • Reported By: TRDSHOWAL — ANAHEIM California United States of America
IMachine Group.com LLC
8939 Vernon Ave. Ste- F & G Montclaire / Anaheim, California United States of America

IMachine Group.com LLC IMG, International Machine Group, Owner's John & Mary Echlin Non Refund of $14k. Deposit of $14.000 Montclaire / Anaheim, California

*Author of original report: Making it Right

*Author of original report: Making it Right

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Lets make this right Al

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Beware of this Company and Anyone Associated with it, Especially the Owner (John Echlin ) he has 13 + Complaints Registered against Him & his Company with the Better Business Bureau (BBB)for Situations in Regards to Service & the Refund of Monies.

He has been Sued by at least 4+ people in the last 2 years, for Tens of Thousands of Dollars, It is all Documented as "Matters of Public Record", in Superior Court Records in Orange County, CA. (www.occourts.org/civil )to See Just- Accept Terms, Case Access, Online Service, Civil Case Access, Search by; Business Name (International Machine Group) or by Person; "John Echlin" and See for Your Self, It's All there!

He is Misleading and Embezzled my Money by Not Refunding it, there by making his "Lack of Actions" a "Deliberate Act to Defraud" me of my Money and Grand Theft in My Eyes.

This has Caused us Financial Hardship, Extreme Stress & Marital Problems as we are close to Default on our Mortgage of our Home Loan now.

He also skipped out owing the Zuma Business Park where he was at on 3315 east Miraloma ave Suite-117 in Anaheim, 92806 Many Thousands in back Rent Before moving to Montclair, CA.91763 to start at it again Beware !!!

He is Nothing more than Crook Hiding Behind & Running a LLC Inc. Business making this a "Civil Matter" & "Not Criminal" in the Eyes of the Law, But that isn't Right in My Eyes! Again; " Beware of this Unscrupulous Entity "


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#1 Author of original report

Making it Right

AUTHOR: TRDSHOWAL - ()

Hi John, Glad to hear from you I / we often are thinking of you and our money it has been a very long time.  

All I can say is what I told you years ago "Feel free to send my money at anytime but not in $1,000.00 installments, but even at that rate it would of been payed off long ago .  now your mentioning attachments ordered  when we ordered the machine we ordered all the attachments because of that fact you told us that it would have to use an asian model sequin attachment and you had never installed one. So we agreed that it would be better to have it all done at the factory in Japan so if there where any problems it would be on them.

I gave you a $4,000.00 cash deposit that day a few days later you called and said the machine had been ordered and so we waited.

I was working out of state at the time, an inquirey was made about a month later and you informed us that it was being built and are waiting to hear on it and a month later we call again you said still waiting, so we figured you thought that we did not have the rest of the money,

So I payed you a visit and delivered an additional $10,000.00 in cash on the deposit thinking that would get the ball rolling.

finally still yet about another month later we called to see what the progress was and was told by you " any day now " so a few weeks later Teresa came to the shop to see you in person and you asked to talk with her in your office and said " I have something to tell you " Your Order was not filled or shipped and the money was applied to outstanding debts owed. but I have a machine for you" and you can pick it up how and I can install the attachments when they arrive, ( it was the one that you offered to sell us originally) and that we had decided not to get but to get the new one instead, and due to the fact that we needed to get all the attachments installed at the factory anyways.

Teresa told me about all this when i returned back in Calif. a week or two later I then contacted you to inform you that the order was canceled and needed the money refunded to which you said ; "OK I understand, but it will take a little time " I asked how long is that ? "you said a few weeks"  I said; ok thats fine.

So as for having attachments in your possesion on our behalf can not be so, and even if it were true, why would hold on to them all these years ? As for the training on & for the machine that was never delivered it consised of a total of about 10 hrs. over 3 days on the first day she arrived at about 10 am and after a couple hrs. you took her to lunch ( your wife wasnt ammused ) and to a quilt shop then back to the shop for a couple more hrs. of training till about 4pm.

On the second day she didnt have a lunch with her (not knowing what happened with your wife yet until told by your employee) so there about 5 hrs. with 1 hr. lunch break . on the 3rd. day it was about 10am to 3pm with a 1 hr. lunch making for about 10 hrs. of worthless training on a machine never delivered.

So considering the time that has lapsed on my $14k. over the past years and I did not seek interest on it in Court, only the Principal,It should not be an issue considering the fact that if the order had been filled in a timely mannor neather of us would have to go threw any of this.  

That  and having been deprived for my $14k. all this time, I have lost far more then you on this John.... Just think about it for second.             

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#2 Author of original report

Making it Right

AUTHOR: TRDSHOWAL - ()

Hi John, I'm glad to Finally hear from you, as I am often thinking of You and My Money. what's it been almost 6 years ? Well, if You want to make this right, all I can say is what I said 6 years ago , Feel free to send my money A.S.A.P. and Not in 1k. installments. but now that so much time has passed it would of been paid off long ago.  So, now that you mention attachments ordered, well when we ordered our machine we ordered "All attachments" and due to that fact you said it needed an asian model sequin attachment (as one of the other attachments took it's place) and you said you had never installed one before, So we Decided that it would be smart to have it All done at the factory to avoid any & all problems. 

I gave you a $4k. Cash Deposit that day and you said you would place the order, so we waited about a month and called you, You told us that it would be here soon . I was working out of state at the time . we called again about 3 to 4 weeks later you said anytime now, we thought maybe you didn't think we had the rest of the money, so I came down to see you and gave you another 10k. Cash Deposit on the Order, thinking that would surely get the ball rolling and we waited another month. by then I was back in NV. working again, a few weeks later Teresa payed you a visit and you asked her into your office as you had something to tell her " you said they did not fill the order and they are Not sending the machine, and our money was applied to outstanding Debts.

"But I have a machine for you" ( the older model you offered to sell us originally that we did not buy) you told her that it could be picked up anytime and when the attachments arrive I can install them, Teresa told you that she would have to talk to me about this, Teresa told me about this about a week later when I got home. I then contacted you and told you that we are not accepting that machine and are cancelling the order and want a Refund, you said I understand, it will take a little time, so I asked what that was, you said a few weeks, I said OK , So as you having attachments on our behalf can Not be so, I never accepted your counter offer or authorized you to order them. I can't imagine if I had, why you would be still possesion of them after all these years. as for the training I only took her to your shop 3 days and dropped her off @ 10am.

everyday the first day (Tues.) you took her to lunch and the a Quilt shop ( your Wife wasn't amused ) I picked her up about 4pm. that day. Weds. 10 to 2;30 and Thurs 10am to 2;30-3pm so about 10 hrs. total and Considering the $600 in paper work Preparationand filing fees, parking, my time, etc. and the time my money has been out of my Possesion does Not cover the interest on 14k. for 6 Yrs.  and if the order had been filled in a timley manner None of us would have had to go through all this. I have lost far more that anyone on this Matter John, "So Make it Right" and I will Post The Favorable Results on this and The other Sites & Forums.  Thanks, AL       

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#3 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Lets make this right Al

AUTHOR: JohnE - ()

Hi Al,

I have been told not to resond to this report by my attorney, but I want to bury the hatchet on this and see if we can come up with a solution for both of us. As I said before, I would be happy to refund the monies less the expense of training your wife on the machine for 6 days and the accessories I had to order from Japan. I cannot return the accessories, but I would be happy to try to sell them for you.

 

Please let me know if this ok with you.

 

Sincerely

John

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