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  • Submitted: Mon, August 22, 2005
  • Updated: Wed, August 01, 2012

  • Reported By:Pomona California
ITT Technical Institute
1530 W. Cameron Ave. West Covina, California U.S.A.

ITT Technical Institute ripoff THE TRUTH, so you don't get ripped off West Covina California

*Consumer Comment: Top ten schools are for chumps

*Consumer Comment: A Different Take

*Consumer Comment: ITT Scam called out by U.S. Government

*Consumer Comment: ITT Technical Institute degrees are worthless

*Consumer Comment: Phewwww

*Consumer Comment: ITT Tech degrees are worthless.

*Consumer Comment: hi

*Consumer Comment: ITT Tech degrees are worthless.

*Consumer Comment: Student. Potentially the greatest mistake of my life.

*Consumer Comment: Only a matter of time before almost everyone realizes that ALL for profit schools are a SCAM

*Consumer Comment: Just watch the ads.

*General Comment: For profit schools graduates often not considered for employment.

*Consumer Comment: ITT IS A SCAM!

*Consumer Comment: I got scammed also

*Consumer Comment: Positive and Negative Experience with ITT Tech

*General Comment: Why not hire any graduate?

*General Comment: I was an student at ITT.

*General Comment: attending student

*Consumer Comment: I am an ITT Tech "graduate"

*Author of original report: Still here....

*General Comment: Concerned Current Student

*General Comment: I GOT RIPPED OFF

*Consumer Comment: Don't hire ITT Tech Grads

*Consumer Comment: ITT Tech is great!

*Consumer Comment: ITT Tech

*General Comment: From an ITT student

*Consumer Suggestion: ITT Tech in Vinton, VA

*General Comment: For G from Orchard

*General Comment: The ITT Tech Shills

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: ITT-FORTLAUDERDALE and ITT Charlotte south

*General Comment: I READ YOUR REPORT

*Consumer Comment: lawl

*Consumer Comment: Itt Technical institute

*Consumer Comment: itt tech made my dreams come true.

*Consumer Comment: ITT Technical Institute is a fantastic opportunity !

*General Comment: Please reply.

*Consumer Comment: My Response to Consumer Comment #70 - packer44 - emporia:

*General Comment: ITT-Tech is a good school

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Accurate write-up

*Consumer Comment: Still dealing with ITT TECH SCUM, any advice would be helpful.

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Chinese and Indian

*Author of original report: I'm still here!

*General Comment: Just one guy's comment

*General Comment: A few solutions for ITT Tech from smsdam.com

* : ITT TECH

*Consumer Comment: ITT Victims Board

*Consumer Comment: ITT Tech, not all its cracked up to be?

*Consumer Comment: ITT Tech, not all its cracked up to be?

*Consumer Comment: ITT Tech, not all its cracked up to be?

*Consumer Comment: Ripped Off and Taken Advantage of at ITT North Houston...

*Consumer Comment: Sites Like These Are Helpful

*Consumer Comment: Sites Like These Are Helpful

*Consumer Comment: Sites Like These Are Helpful

*Consumer Comment: Sites Like These Are Helpful

*Consumer Comment: Thanks for the advice!

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: AMEN SISTER

*Consumer Comment: THANK YOU, YOU SAVED ME 80,000 DOLLARS

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Castor- Just a few comments...

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Castor- Just a few comments...

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Castor- Just a few comments...

*Consumer Suggestion: I Agree!

*Consumer Comment: A little perspective from a 6th quarter ITT Student

*Consumer Comment: Shills that kill

*Consumer Comment: How to Contact You?

*Consumer Comment: Focus

*Consumer Comment: Hold up wait a minute.. Let me put sum pimpin in it.. lol

*Consumer Comment: Hold up wait a minute.. Let me put sum pimpin in it.. lol

*Consumer Comment: Hold up wait a minute.. Let me put sum pimpin in it.. lol

*Consumer Comment: Hold up wait a minute.. Let me put sum pimpin in it.. lol

*Consumer Comment: A Helping Hand

*Consumer Comment: Psychological Break

*Consumer Comment: RIP OFF SCHOOLS

*Consumer Comment: The man that never lost, but did

*Author of original report: Mr. Missouri

*Consumer Comment: You have my sword, Castor

*Consumer Comment: I'm an Idiot...

*Consumer Comment: Honesty above all else

*Author of original report: It's funny....

*Consumer Comment: Is that So...

*Consumer Comment: Is that So...

*Consumer Comment: Is that So...

*Consumer Comment: Is that So...

*Consumer Suggestion: Some misleading information here...

*Consumer Comment: What about the good?

*Author of original report: Allie.....

*Consumer Comment: You said Email You but left no email :(

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Reguarding ITT technical Institue

*Consumer Comment: My negative experience with ITT Tech

*Consumer Comment: Student who has been at both ends of the scale.

*Consumer Suggestion: TAKE HEED TO THIS ADVICE

*Consumer Suggestion: TAKE HEED TO THIS ADVICE

*Consumer Suggestion: TAKE HEED TO THIS ADVICE

*Consumer Suggestion: TAKE HEED TO THIS ADVICE

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey G

*Consumer Comment: Grad of ITT Tech

*Consumer Comment: Steve in "Phila" (and other readers)

*Consumer Comment: Steve in "Phila" (and other readers)

*Consumer Comment: Steve in "Phila" (and other readers)

*Consumer Comment: Steve in "Phila" (and other readers)

*Consumer Comment: Why do you waste your time

*Consumer Comment: Read facts, not disgruntle insight

*Consumer Comment: Itt tech

*Consumer Comment: ITT is the the BEST college I have attended

*Consumer Comment: Thanks for the heads up

*Consumer Comment: I Beg to Differ

*Consumer Comment: THEY'RE A SCAM

*Author of original report: More responses needed!

*Consumer Comment: SCHOOL IS NOT RECOMMENDED AT ALL!

*Consumer Comment: will lure and manipulate you by any mean!

*Consumer Comment: tell these people you refuse to sign until you get the actual facts

*Consumer Suggestion: Thought this Scam sounded familiar....

*Author of original report: Not Surprised!

*Consumer Comment: Student I feel like i have wasted 2 years of my life.

*Consumer Comment: Hey Erin

*Consumer Comment: I am Currently enrolled in itt tech, BIG MISTAKE!!!!

*Consumer Comment: Hey caster ..They want $100 up front first and the testing.

*Consumer Comment: Hey caster ..They want $100 up front first and the testing.

*Consumer Comment: Hey caster ..They want $100 up front first and the testing.

*Consumer Comment: Hey caster ..They want $100 up front first and the testing.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: DON'T DO IT.....

*Consumer Suggestion: itt tech

*Consumer Comment: As a former student I agree with the original post...

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: So true . . .

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Reply, Some good points...

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Good and Bad of ITT -- Mostly Bad though

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Thanks Jason...

*Consumer Comment: ITT is generally worthless

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Hope this helps...

*Consumer Comment: WHAT IS THIS TRUE FOR DALLAS AS WELL?

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If you are interested in attending ITT Technical Institute any where in the United States, please email me and reconsider. I, unfortunately, was a High School Recruiter for the company for almost a year and it was absolutely horrible. I experienced how greedy, and money hungry the management of the school is. I experienced the "used car lot" sales techniques that were used to persuade people to go to school there. I experienced the lies and dreams the successful recruiters used which made them successful. Pretty much, my whole experience working there was horrible. The only thing that kept me there a year was the fact that the position I was in paid pretty good, and I didn't have to work that hard. But that's a whole other story. I briefly want to describe how bad of a place ITT Technical Institute is and hopefully this will reach some one before it's too late.

ITT Technical Institute is a for-profit institution. This means basically that the school is there to make money, and making money is it's #1 priority. They have raised tuition $200 a unit over the last 4-5 years and there's no signs of it stopping. Next years cost will be $410 per unit. Definitely not worth it since it's a watered down education. So, since ITT Tech is all about making money, they are also about cutting corners. They don't hire teachers fulltime because they don't want to pay for employee benefits. This means they are not concerned with finding the best teachers, but in other words, they want to find a teacher who fits their schedule. They print their own textbooks, which are absolutely horrible and filled with mistakes, and they save money on that as well. Remember, they're trying to make money, and you as a student is NOT their concern. Another example to prove my point on this is the online courses. One out of three courses for a quarter is online, and ITT Tech did not do this to make it easier on the student, they did it to save money. WIth an online course, they don't have to pay a teacher, and they don't have to worry about being held accountable for the course. Funny thing is, ITT Tech preaches "Hands on Education." But, how do you receive a "Hands on Education" if you're online in front of a computer?

ITT Technical Institute pays their "Recruiters" a lot of money. In fact, the "Recruiters" are paid more than the people in financial aide and the people in financial aide work a lot harder than the "Recruiters." The "Recruiters" make so much money because they're the ones who are suppossed to find people to fill the seats. People don't go to ITT Tech because they want to, most of the time these "Recruiters" fill their heads with dreams and these dreams are what gets the students in the seats. Once you're a student with ITT Tech, they have your money and they really don't care too much more for you. Also, the "Recruiters" are given raises based only on how many students they get to start school, and that's against the law, but some how, no one is catching it. THis basically means that a "Recruiter" will say anything to get a student to sit in class, and I mean they'll say anything. I heard it daily and it made me sick. False advertising like I've never seen before. That goes for their cheesy commercials too.

ITT Technical Institute's units do not transfer to any real college or university. It even says this in their brochure. ITT Tech's units do not transfer because the education is watered down. What I mean by watered down is, the education you are paying for definitely isn't the education you are getting. Many students complained about the online courses and how they were confusing, but yet nothing was done. With an online course, you are basically teaching yourself. The General Ed. courses are basically Junior College material, if even that, and they're only avaiable because part of being accredited means they have to have them. The knowledge you learn at ITT Tech, is pretty much only good for an entry level position and that's not getting you much money like the "Recruiters" promised you would get before you enrolled. With ITT Tech, you're paying for a private school, but only getting about a Junior College level education.

ITT Tech, they're vultures when it comes to low income families and students and they market themselves towards them. If a family comes in and they have nothing saved for college, or there's no way the student is getting a scholarship, the people at ITT Tech will see a perfect opportunity. They'll try to find every loan possible, even through private banks, and basically, they'll find loans to cover your tuition and then say "see, you can go to school with no out of pocket expenses." But, those loans will end up being a very large amount and will probably put the student in debt for the rest of their lives.

Now, there are some small positive things about ITT Tech, but the bad definitely out weight the good. My cousin graduated from ITT Tech in 1999-2000, and he is pissed off at himself for going to school there because he now realizes how bad the education was, and how much he still owes because of it. I was able to save 2 students from going to school there and I hope they're at a real college getting the education they deserve.

If you need information, you can email me and I'll be more than happy to respond. Or you can simply just put a rebuttal to this and I'll eventually see it.

Basically, DO NOT GO TO ITT TECHNICAL INSTITUTE because it's definitely not worth it. Go to a JC, get your GE and then go to a real College or University.

Hope this saves someone!

Caster Troy

Caster
Pomona, California
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Top ten schools are for chumps

AUTHOR: casshill01 - ()

I happen to be a very successfull student from ITT Technical Institute In the field of IT. I would just like to say your comments about top ten schools are wrong. There are many successful people in the IT field out there including my boss who did not attend a top ten school. Just because you didnt pay a rediculous amount of money or prove that you are genius does not mean a person that went to a lesser school is not competent enough to do the job. I chose to go to ITT Technical Institute because it was the only school that would allow me to work and get experience in IT so that when i did graduate I would be able to find an awesome job and begin my career. It really depends on the person not what school they went to. Maybe as a hiring manager you should think about that.

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#2 Consumer Comment

A Different Take

AUTHOR: 2013GRAD - ()

I attended ITT TECH in Baton Rouge, LA My experiance there was different than anything I have read online. I had a great experiance. 

My teachers were mostly full time teachers and all knew the material they were teaching. 

I find that I have gain alot of knowledge attending ITT TECH, and i would reccommend the school to someone going for an IT degree. I cant vouche for the other programs of study.

My only complaint about the school is the stupid portfolio class they made up. And there attendance policy is ridiculous. But those are my only problems. 

For the most part I feel I did get my moneys worth. Not all ITT Schools are bad.. some like the one i went to have REAL teachers who care about you and want to see you succeed. 

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#3 Consumer Comment

ITT Scam called out by U.S. Government

AUTHOR: esko - (United States of America)

I'm in my forth quarter at ITT.  ITT is the 4th school I have attended.  Problems I have had include, incomplete books, books not arriving on time for classes, instructors that have no teaching ability, threats from the dean for filing complaints in a proper manner, and student attendence tracking system that is patronizing, and the list goes on.

This school, the Springfield,VA one in which I attend, is a joke.  For the price i pay there should be a doorman, and a bathroom attendant with every brand of cologne you would want.  The worst part is they have a contract that they get you to sign which forces you to pay for credits you don't recieve if you have to drop out.  This report in the huffington post says it all  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/30/for-profit-colleges-senate-report_n_1721058.html?utm_hp_ref=business.

Everything people have been saying about the school putting profits before students is true.  ITT tech pays more for marketing then it does for its students.  They don't care about retension, all they care about is enrollments, thats how they measure their success.  If you have read anything about ITT 2012 quarterly reports, the school released a conference call with school officials highlighting the decline in student enrollment, not student placement, or student success rates, but enrollment. 

This school is not just profit mongers they are raping it from their surrounding communities.  I see advertisments for this school everywhere. 

I wish I hadn't used the last of my Post 9/11 gi bill to go to this school, It's bad enough I decided I wanted to be a tanker in the United states army and came out of there with absolutely no job skills what so ever.  I can shoot a target with a 120mm round, but there is no civilian application for that. 

Schools like this are hurting this country.  It is because this country has allowed mega corporations to run free with consumer money.  there is no accountability in this country anymore. 

Anyone who blames the student for not looking into this school first is wrong,  It is hard to find information like this.   I have never had the problems I am having with school at any other school.

I will do everything I can to come out on top.  I have a 4.o gpa right now, but recently I've been making waves at this campus, and I think they are corrupt all the way up to corporate hq. 

I would never send a friend to this school, the cost does not match the service.  I've had better service in a bingo hall.

Don't Go to ITT Tech!
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#4 Consumer Comment

ITT Technical Institute degrees are worthless

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

THe problem is not just "location location location" but the school itself.  The simple fact of the matter is that ITT Tech degrees are worthless in the marketplace and that is independent of location. 
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#5 Consumer Comment

Phewwww

AUTHOR: B-crazy - (United States of America)

It took me 4hrs and 35 min to read all of you guys post. Caster I wish I should've read your post back then. That was time I gotten rip off. You said you went to schools and recruit kids from there? Yeah It happened to me and I was gullible because I was the only black dork from a ghetto as school thought I could make a change. And now after 8years. I'm telling these kids right now DON'T GO TO COLLEGE IF YOU DONT HAVE THE MONEY. I do agree with some people on here who are against the your post. The problem is location location and location. I live in Missouri, and Missouri has the lowest opportunities in electronics, graphic designs, and gaming. This post is seven years old and you help so many on here. And it still helped me. I'm here with ya to the end
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#6 Consumer Comment

ITT Tech degrees are worthless.

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

Don't waste your time or money going to ITT Tech.  Go to the local community college which might be FREE should you need financial assistance.

ITT Tech is no longer eligible for Cal Grants due to the high Federal Student Loan Default Rate.
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#7 Consumer Comment

hi

AUTHOR: manuel garcia jr - (United States of America)

my name is manuel garcia jr
i am thinking about going to itt tech west covina my contact info (((ROR redacted))) is this a bad idea

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#8 Consumer Comment

ITT Tech degrees are worthless.

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

As another person has found out the hard way, ITT Tech degres are worthless.  If you have a negative experience start posting your reviews on sites such as yelp dot com along with contacting your local media. 
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#9 Consumer Comment

Student. Potentially the greatest mistake of my life.

AUTHOR: Michael O - (United States of America)

I am a currently enrolled student at ITT Technical Institute in Spokane Valley, Washington.

There are schools out there with half the tuition of ITT Tech and ten times the facilities, both in hardware and software. I interviewed with a recruiter at a local graphic design firm, and he asked me why I didn't go to a "real school". Another employer literally laughed at me when I described the software that I was being taught at ITT.

I am an artist who sought technical schooling to gain a different set of skills complementing my natural abilities. And while I've never expected any degree to get a job for me, I'm here to tell you that a degree from ITT Technical Institute will actually HURT your chances of finding gainful employment!

The computers here are barely of enough quality to run more than one of the provided Adobe CS3 programs at a time (Adobe CS5 is the industry standard and CS6 is coming out shortly). Of the numerous outdated printers available for student use, only one is color capable and in addition to not being anywhere near photo-quality creates significant visual errors when printing complex PDF Files. There are two poor quality scanners available to students neither of which are 11x17 capable. The books, as have already been mentioned, are full of mistakes to the point that many teachers don't even try to use them for their classes. I've spent a great deal of my time at this school overcoming the shortfalls of the provided labs.

As for other things; they are never on time with the class schedule, it often changes the week classes begin-the incompetence of which always sickens me. Much of the faculty seem to be actual former students entering some kind of indentured servitude who were desperate for a job and so took the place of the previous individual who did the smart thing and left ITT Tech the moment they could. Oh, and guys: it's a sausage fest. Not that I came to ITT for a social experience, but there is almost no female student body, a trend I attribute to women being generally more intelligent than men.

The benefits of ITT Tech are few and not worth the CRIMINAL fees you will pay. There are some faculty in the career services, financial aid, and even management who genuinely care for students. There are even a couple teachers in my program who are people I'm glad I've had a chance to learn from. The classes are small and during hours that are very convenient for many individuals, which I think is one thing that really draws high school graduates here-the idea of not waking up early in the morning for class.

It's too late for me, but I hope that this post helps others make the decision to not attend this school.

This thread alone has 100 replies, if we could only get this information out there, it could really help either shut ITT down or get them to fix their system and offer a real education and college experience to their students.
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#10 Consumer Comment

Only a matter of time before almost everyone realizes that ALL for profit schools are a SCAM

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

ALL of the FOR PROFIT schools are a SCAM.  Low cost alternatives being public institutions exist and we have a classic feedback loop : Getting more and more unqualified students to replace the currently unqualified graduates or drop outs.  Pass everybody to make sure the money continues to arrive at the corporate office.  Unqualified graduates can't find jobs resulting in a smaller applicant pool of even more unqualified students than those that have just graduated.

The gig is up.  It is only a matter of time before the number of students willing to go to these for profit trade schools becomes almost nil.  The government can mask the true default rate for only so long with deferements and forebearance.  The private student loans are even in worse shape as they have no government backing should the student default.  
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#11 Consumer Comment

Just watch the ads.

AUTHOR: Flynrider - (USA)

  These new commercials featuring their "illustrious" graduates are a joke.    One guy thinks he's designing circuits using a computer "operating system".   Seriously?  I thought I heard it wrong, but the guy said it twice.   I wouldn't hire that guy to blow the dust out of keyboards.   In another ad, a guy is trying to explain his IT job and it seems to me that he doesn't really know what he does for a living.    If these babbling morons are the best of their crop, they're really in trouble.   
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#12 General Comment

For profit schools graduates often not considered for employment.

AUTHOR: hoapres - (USA)

While the following is based on my IT experiences, the following discussion according to my friends in the nursing profession give the same conclusion.  In this extremely grim job market a PUBLIC institution grad will almost ALWAYS be considered for employment OVER ANY FOR PROFIT SCHOOL GRADUATE.

What these for profit trade schools having mostly untransferable credits to 4 year schools fail to tell you is that in many cases a BS degree is an almost absolute requirement for a "real job".  If you graduate with a for profit trade school then you are lucky to find a "throw away" job paying close to minimum wage.  The for profit trade schools in IT tell their students that "IT is booming", "IT pays well", etc. not mentioning that IT is glutted with applicants looking for work and most IT jobs don't pay that well.

Specializing the discussion to IT along with noting that I have been involved in direct hiring of software engineers, systems administrators and web developers in Silicon Valley.  I will now tell you the judgmental process that I and almost EVERY OTHER technical manager that I am personally aware of uses in the evaluation of an ENTRY LEVEL job applicant.  This is done BEFORE I or someone else decides to call YOU as a prospective employee in for an interview.

1.  WHAT SCHOOL DID YOU GO TO ??  We have 3 types of schools:

     a.  The TOP 10- e.g. UC Berkeley, Stanford, MIT, University of Illinois, Cal Tech, etc.
     b.  Reputable schools not in the top 10 - the other UC campuses and state universities
     c.  Everybody else-which includes for profit trade schools

In this economy, if you are not of the TOP 10 then you are not likely to be even considered.  If you are in the reputable schools then you might be considered.  If you are in the everybody else category then you won't be considered.

2.  PRIOR WORK EXPERIENCE
     a. Internship experience at TOP companies-Facebook,Yahoo,Google,University Research Assistant
     b. Internship experience not at TOP companies-Small startups,non IT related at reputable companies
     c. Little or no work experience

Almost everyone with Internship experience at TOP colleges went to a TOP school.

You are almost always going to need a BS degree to have even a remote chance of a decent career in IT.  If you get a for profit trade school AA diploma not only will you not likely to find a job but since your credits don't transfer then you may have to start all over at almost the freshman level to get a 4 year degree.

College is used as an expensive and unwarranted aptitude test.  If I hire a UC Berkeley grad then I know that I am dealing with someone that survived an extremely competitive admissions process and a grueling academic program.  Also, it is quite likely that the UC Berkeley grad has substantial internship experience either at a TOP company or at a TOP university.

When I see a for profit trade school such as ITT Tech, Heald, Westwood, Devry then I am dealing with an applicant that not only had no admission hurdle for admittance but an institution that has a vested interest in making sure the student graduates.  It is the WORST graduate that sets the REPUTATION for the WHOLE institution.  YOU may very well be a dedicated and conscientous student capable of doing the job but YOUR PROSPECTIVE EMPLOYER is going to evaluate the diploma based on perhaps the worse possible scenario.  I am likely to know that the WORSE graduate from UC Berkeley barring someone with serious psychological problems will have a MINIMUM IF NOT MORE competence to do the job.  I have NO ASSURANCE that the WORSE or even AVERAGE graduate from ANY for profit trade school will be able to do the job.

THE ECONOMY IS IN A MESS which means LOTS of qualified applicants are applying for almost EVERY job. If I as a prospective employer can obtain a graduate of a top 10 school then I won't be considering anyone else.

If the economy is really bad then I may not even have to consider a fresh grad from a top 10 school.

And in the end at least for the for profit TRADE schools, it is all about GETTING THE JOB.  If the for profit trade school has a poor record of getting one substantive employment then why bother going to the school in the first place ??
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#13 Consumer Comment

ITT IS A SCAM!

AUTHOR: Diamondgirl - (USA)

I came very close to signing up for classes at ITT. Thank God I have a wise and sensible daughter who talked me out of doing so. She told me to do my own research and then decide from there; which I did. I am sooo glad I did not get sucked in and I am sorry for those who were mislead and now owe thousands of dollars to the pockets of the CEO's and shareholders! There are too many of the same complaints regarding the credibility of this school and their recruitment tactics. I also went in for the interview and entrance exam and was readily accepted. I was excited and ready to sign when my daughter warned me not to. The recruiters hounded me for weeks on end after the initial interview and practically had me starting classes before I even agreed to sign on the dotted line! I wish these kind of misleading, for-profit schools could be shut down permanently, once and for all so that others do not get scammed. I think a major government investigation needs to be conducted into ITT and allow for the public to see the evil side of this company.
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#14 Consumer Comment

I got scammed also

AUTHOR: DIego - (United States of America)

I was also scammed by this "school". I was studying Criminal Justice in the online programs. The course seemed to be okay. I finished about a year and a half, when my computer broke down and I was not able to log into my classes. Once I got my computer back up and running, I found out I had been dropped out of the course for being absent. I was never notified that my classes had been cancelled, not an email, not a phone call, not a letter, nothing until I found out myself. So I call them to ask what the hell just happened, and I was told I was dropped out, and to re enter classes, I had to speak with the criminal justice course chairman, since the re entry coordinators could not do a damn thing about it, since my 7 days limit to re enter classes had already passed. ( After they dropped me out, I had a time frame of 7 days to re enter classes, to which I was not able to make it since I did not even know I had been dropped out). So I waste around another week trying to reach this chairman guy because everytime I called, I would be sent to voicemail. I left him like 5 messages and no call back. Once I finally talk to him, he tells me I cannot continue with criminal justice because I am not meeting the completion percentage and tells me that I can either pick a different program, or choose a different school to do criminal justice again. I did not even get a degree and its only been about a month they dropped me out, and I am already being harrassed by a collection agency to pay up 5,000 dollars that I owe to the institution, not counting the other 18k+ in loans and other crap. I do not recommend this school to anyone, and this debt situation is something I do not even wish would happen to my worse enemy. I barely make 9 dollars an hour and I do not know how the hell I'm going to get the money to pay this debt. Bankrupcy cannot erase this debt either, I either pay it somehow or die.
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#15 Consumer Comment

Positive and Negative Experience with ITT Tech

AUTHOR: Scott - (United States of America)

First for the negative experience, since the list will be shorter then the positive.  I have had only 2 negative experiences with ITT Tech, and I am an online student.  The first is tuition refunds.  We are currently on break for the holidays, when we return to classes on January 2nd, we will be in the 3rd week of the quarter.  I have yet to receive the refund for the overpayment of my tuition from the last quarter.  I know from prior college experience that the first quarter/semester of the new school year (fall) it takes longer to receive tuition refunds because they take time to go through, in great detail, the financial aide records of the past year to make sure there are no errors, but this is unusually long.  I HAVE been contacted by the financial aide department regularly though updating me on the status of the refund.  The other negative experience I have had is receiving responses, by phone or email, from anyone in management but in reality that is not unusual with any other company and/or institution.

The positive experiences I have had are the instructors, course books, HONESTY, and treatment from faculty.  As far as the instructors go, for those of you who complained that the instructors are trained in the field they are teaching and not as actual teachers you need to understand one important factor.  NO technical school hire solely teachers with education degrees.  The point of being a TECHNICAL institution is to give students real world practical instruction.  Personally, I would rather have someone who has worked in the construction field teaching my classes then someone with a teaching degree.  It is their experience that add to the value of the classes.  The course books are up to date.  This is not my first time attending college, I have an Associate degree from another technical school, and I have made long lasting professional relationships with past instructors from that school.  Some of which I talk to regularly, and out of curiousity, I have showed text books that I am using from ITT Tech and they were all impressed with them.  

Please realize that the American Board of Education reviews all institutions that offer federal grants and loans.  If all the negative reports shown here were true, they would of shut down ITT Tech completely.  Now some of the stories of local campuses may be true, but they are just that, problems with THAT campus not ITT Tech as a whole.  Yes, ITT Tech is a for profit school, ALL technical schools are.  They do not hide this fact.  I have contacted companies that hire people with degrees that I am working towards at ITT Tech, and not one of them has had a bad experience with an ITT Tech graduate.  So obviously the education is good or they would not be hiring ITT Tech graduates still.  

Please do your own research, when talking to admission reps, financial aide reps or other campus reps, ask them for documentation that shows what they are telling you.  If they are being honest with you, they will provide that for you.  I am sure some campuses have reps in these departments that will "fudge" information they are giving but that is the same with ANY college.  Anyone who has common sense will ALWAYS verify information they are given before investing thousands into something like an education.   
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#16 General Comment

Why not hire any graduate?

AUTHOR: Educator - (USA)

     After reading your (reproduced here-verbatim) comment, "Jason, don't hire ITT Tech grads and continue to hire from that other College because it sounds like they're at least providing some sort of higher education. And remember, it's not the ITT Tech grad's fault, it's the management's fault and the greedy stock holders as well. Don't blame the student, blame the institution!" 

Okay, I was horrified.  Please never advise anyone to not hire any college graduate.  These post-students have generally worked extremely hard and sacrificed much to get down the path of an educated-life and pursuit of hopes.  As an educated individual myself: I would (and have) hire any college degreed person over one who has not put forth the time and effort.  With a higher education comes other attributes such as self-discipline, etc.  These educated people inspire their later generations to strive in life and not to let anyone ever tell them they cannot achieve what they want in the scholastic arena.  Our world is unfortunately full of those who are quick to throw stones.  Why would you throw stones at anyone, let alone those who have worked so very hard?  Fortunately, you have labeled yourself correctly "CASTOR TROY" if readers take the time to remember that this fictional movie character from the movie Face/Off was a sociopath.

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#17 General Comment

I was an student at ITT.

AUTHOR: ashton - (United States of America)

ITT has a huge drop out rate.. my original class was 54 people and i think only 13 people graduated with an AS. AS is the same as an AA degree. one is science and the other is arts. number one reason for this is people find out that the school is not right for them..  big problem with the school is they let anyone attend with no test to find out what level people are at. They thrive on low income Hispanics and getting them loans from the government . what most people don't know is that you can't default on student loans and you have to pay them back.

  
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#18 General Comment

attending student

AUTHOR: aphla5 - (United States of America)

first and formost im lazy in writing this so i dont care about my grammer or anything else. i want to say im attending itt right now in dunmore pa. im taking cns and i have so far great teachers with the example of one. he is a tech guy who has no teaching experience and his classes suck!!! that was intro to pc and as a tech i was bored outta my mind.  my chair teacher actually does care so thats a good thing. i have tried to attend all classes but since im low income i cant make them all since i have no car and the dunmore campus canceled the day time classes for the one class i need to take and wont give me a reason y. so im forced to fail a class over and over again till they either fix my classes so i can make them all or fail till i get a car. if i keep failing ill be paying more and staying longer. im in my second semester and so far im happy with the teachers and there teachings but 48k for 2 yrs is alot. u can reply back and ill respond
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#19 Consumer Comment

I am an ITT Tech "graduate"

AUTHOR: Jared - ITT Tech "graduate" - (United States of America)

Back in 2006 I "graduated" from ITT Tech in Louisville, KY with an "associates degree" in CEET.  During the interview and tour process I was told that ITT "credits" DID transfer to other schools!  When I brought this up later they told me that they must have meant other ITT Tech campuses.  The first, and only, job I got after ITT Tech was a pretty good electronics repair job, but after I began talking to other employees there they told me they had just walked in off of the street and applied for a job.  Here I thought I had only gotten the job because of my "degree".  Needless to say the company was bought out and we were all let go(this was before the recession).  When I would try to contact ITT Tech to help me find another job they didn't even respond to my e-mails or phone calls!  Fianlly I sent an angry e-mail(no profanity or threats) asking them to get me interviews with good jobs like they had promised.  That finally got their attention and they called me in to talk.  I let the head of the career service dept. yell for about 15 minutes at how disappointed he was in my angry e-mail.  Then I simply responded, "I finally got your attention.  I don't care who cried because I asked why you weren't doing your job.  Find me an interview for a good job."  He said he would see what he could do.  The next day he e-mailed me a job posting for a package handling job at UPS. Wow.  Every place I have gone and gotten interviews myself asks why I have no training.  I tell them that ITT always told me that companies want to train the employees themselves.  The interviewers laugh in my face.  I am currently going back to school at a local community college and plan on transferring to the University of Louisville in the spring to pursue a REAL Bachelors in Business Accounting.  I would have done this much sooner, but ITT had me convinced that it was a quicker way to a degree and a job.  I pray that no one else falls into this trap.  I am actually going to try and e-mail the CEO of ITT Tech and formally request a refund.  From just a 2 year "degree" at ITT Tech, I have $40,000+ in loans, through Sallie Mae of course!  These loans cannot be refurbished or paid off by taking out other loans elsewhere, and have an interest rate of 15%!  No chance of having them paid off unless I win the lottery.  Keep up the good work Castor!
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#20 Author of original report

Still here....

AUTHOR: Caster - (U.S.A.)

Tiffany and others who may care,

Good ole Caster Troy is still paying attention to this thread! Unfortunately, from what I read and continue to hear on the streets, ITT Tech is still going strong and still ripping people off left and right. It's sad though that in our current economy, a "sales" job with ITT Tech is nowadays considered a good job.  And don't let the recruiters tell you different, because they are "sales" people and that's as simple of a description that is needed.

Tiffany, I'm sorry to say it, but your degree from ITT Tech is probably only good enough to get you a minimum wage job which won't help you whatsoever as soon as your student bills kick in. If I were you, I would bug the living crap out of the Student Career Services people and make sure they know that they owe you a job. YES, I said it, they OWE you a job!  Tell them that when you were recruited, you were recruited under the impression that ITT Tech would provide a quality education and a quality job after graduation. If they tell you something different, then simply tell all the recruiters and Student Services people at the campus that they are LIARS and raise hell. In all honesty, since you are almost done with the school, the school is probably done with you as well and they won't help you much at all.

If all fails, get the word out to all the students at the campus about this site and about this thread and lets make sure the people at ITT Tech in West Covina know how much we dislike them!

Caster Troy
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#21 General Comment

Concerned Current Student

AUTHOR: Tiffany - (United States of America)

I am currently a Criminal Justice student at the ITT Tech campus of West Covina.  I read through the comments/concerns and now have a question of my own. I am not sure if you are still updating or viewing this report, but here goes it.  I have been attending for almost a year now, (ending my third quarter).  I have been working very hard and have maintained a 4.0 this entire time.  I am the type of person that thrives to be the best at all I set my mind to.  I read in one statement that there are the few that actually receive great jobs after graduating, and I am now concerned that with all this mention of a "watered-down" education... that my hard earned 4.0 will go unnoticed.  This disturbs me greatly as I have no other option in my life at this time then to struggle and fight for the BEST in a career.  I have already attended two other vocational colleges for Medical Billing and then Medical Coding only to find out that because I am NOT bilingual, I can not be hired. (Even though I also got a 4.0 at both schools).  Please contact me asap via email or on here, or however it goes with this site.  I have continuously gone the extra mile in all my assignments and would really like to find some sense of security in knowing that it will be worth something at the completion of my courses.

Deeply in Need of Answers,

Tiffany
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#22 General Comment

I GOT RIPPED OFF

AUTHOR: STEPH - (United States of America)

I have alot to say about this ITT Tech School they completely ripped me off and now I'm suffer from what they did to me. All they did was tell me how great of a school they are and how they do alot of hands on work. I'm a very hands on type of person so I though well this would be perfect for me.  Not True at all they lied they made me do this one class that was a waste of my time the only thing we did was go to the grocery store to learn how to conserve time and gas with one trip instead of taking a few trips a week. I mean really how stupid is that. The biggest waste of my time and money to say the least. I have been fighting with them to get some paper work showing how much they charged me for the classes and guess what nothing they won't send me a thing. The financial department told me I was going to get some government grants and a scholarship from them and to my knowledge nothing just lies lies lies. I'm so mad because now guess what I'm stuck with this loan and I didn't even get a degree only went for 2 semesters and now I have a loan that is $15,000 how insane is that. My sister went to the university of Florida and didn't even pay that much. Are they crazy. I mean they told me something completely different. I really wanna know if I could take them to court and I have chance at winning? I think that someone needs to do something before more people get hurt. America is not doing a good job of stopping greedy people like this and this is the reason we are here today. Hope I can do something to slow them down maybe even stop them from hurting more people in the furture.
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#23 Consumer Comment

Don't hire ITT Tech Grads

AUTHOR: Tim - (United States of America)

I can tell you from personal experience that I would never hire a grad from ITT Tech. My reason is that I have already made that mistake twice. Both of these individuals turned out to be HUGE mistakes and I have had to fire them both for their incompetance. It is very clear that they were never really trained for the fields they were in, and I would certainly blame the school for not providing them with a proper education. Plus the part that was mentioned about the high student loans... Thats true too. Both of these people will NEVER pay off their loans.

So yes, don't go there, and don't hire from there.
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#24 Consumer Comment

ITT Tech is great!

AUTHOR: Radar - (USA)

ITT Tech is a great college, period. Just like any college, it's what the individual that is attending makes of it! This institution has help thousands of people better themselves. If you feel like you were pressured, than maybe its not them being a "used car lot", it's you not knowing what you want with your life. Stop dragging down the hard work of others.
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#25 Consumer Comment

ITT Tech

AUTHOR: Pesach - (Canada)

Hello Everyone,

I graduated from ITT in 1985 with Honours and an Associates Degree(Electronics Engineering). I was also recruited by the school after graduation to work for ITT World Communications thereafter. Back then the programme was great and some people found work and others didn't.  That said, the degree got me very far and in some exciting places. I'm not sure what has happened since then but my path was rewarding. Today I work for Johnson Controls in Building Efficiency(Building Automation Systems). I'm also work and live in Canada even though I was down in US for the Electronics Engineering programme way back then. The degree was something new but employers respected ITT. Again, I don't live in the US so I'm not sure what has gone on since then. My degree was a long time ago. But I can tell you this, I've worked in TV broadcasting (as an Engineer), research and development, for JVC, etc. Simply put, the degree and experience worked!!

It was also said that the ITT credits are not transferable? Well, they are and, in 2007 I was able to transfer them to a Canadian university to do a 3yr Political Science programme instead of the 4yr programme(part-time). I graduated with a Bachelors last week with a "B" grade point average!! I  also worked for the same university in Faciliities Engineering as Control Systems Specialist.

In closing, I appreciate the advice and warnings. I may consider the ITT MBA programme in the future but I will do my research and ask lots of questions. If its not worth it, I won't do it and will do a graduate degree here in Canada. But since I'm alumni I'd thought I'd check it out once again.

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#26 General Comment

From an ITT student

AUTHOR: jeremy - (United States of America)

I am currently in my final quarter at ITT in Huntington,WV. I am in the CEET ( Computer Electronic Engineering Technology), I am also a member of the National Honor Society.  i have read over your comments and have to disagree not only have i recieved a top notch education but i have been recieving excellent job offors for the last six months as well.  When i graduate in Sept. I will be going to work at a company making 75,000 a year starting out with a potential to make up to 125,000 within the next five years.  i am sorry that your experience with ITT left you feeling like they were a rip off but i can assure you for a guy with two kids who barely made 15k a year it was well worth the cost.  i am not saying there wasnt issues in the begining but we worked it out my instructors listened to the problems and helped to fix them.   On a seperate note recuiters are no longer paid based on the number of students they get to enroll (this was changed by ITT themselves with no outside influence) thanks for listening hope i gave poeple something to think about.
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#27 Consumer Suggestion

ITT Tech in Vinton, VA

AUTHOR: Vision - (United States of America)

Although i am new to there (been attending for a few weeks) It seems to be semi-decent. The three classes i am currently enrolled in are Problem solving, Intro to PCs, and Strategies. Let's begin with Problem solving. 

Problem solving -  I have seen a comment involving this class here, and some of it is true. Once class starts, you are given a lecture about what you're doing that day, with a few examples. You then do some papers pertaining to what your lecture was about and then you break off into groups. During all of this, you take a few breaks. I personally see nothing wrong with this, It seems like a class that "refreshes you" on various math topics you learned in high school, while "learning" how to work in groups. My teacher is a nice enough guy, and is full of jokes. He seems to know what he's talking about and more. He said he is ex-military and was a programmer in the past and also a math teacher at another college and a high school. 

Intro to PC's - For me this class is a joke (i'am A+ certified already). I went to a vocational school in high school, and it seems like it's pretty much the same thing. If you don't know the inter-workings of a computer, then this class will be good for you. From what i can tell everyone pretty much has to take it. I have people in my class that are in Criminal Justice, Drafting, CNS, and a few others. I will say that everyone has their own machine (about 20 people in the class) and they are all decent heathkits. I have seen that there are classes that deal with Windows 7, and every other Windows OS. So for those of you saying that everything is a dead technology they teach, then you are incorrect. My teacher seems like an intelligent guy, and has the certifications to back it up. He has worked for some very large companies in the past, and has done a lot in his field. He's a nice guy as well, And taught at Virginia Tech. 

Strategies - Now this class... This class.... Have you ever used microsoft word? Have you ever made a powerpoint? Yeah me too. In 6th grade. I personally have no idea why this class is involved at all, but from what i can tell some people do need it. The teacher on the other hand, Seems to be fresh out of college. She gives out answers to the "weekly" test (at least half of them) and does a review with even more answers. If you get lower than a 90% on a test in this class you have to be full blown retarded. 

I can understand why these classes are there though. There are a lot of older people that attend ITT Tech and may need this refreshing. I personally, and almost any younger/fresh out of high school person will breeze though this. 

I am using ITT Tech as a "Puffer" on my Resume. I don't plan on being some Lead Admin for NASA servers or anything like that. If i can pull like 65-70k a year when i'm 50 then i'll be happy. Some may want more but that's just me. I would suggest ITT Tech if you are a complete noob when it comes to technology or what ever field you're going into. I Would not however, suggest it to someone who thinks its the one and only thing they will ever need. 

As for you guys saying that it's pointless, you are incorrect. The reason you're not going to get some radical job right out of ITT Tech is because you have an Associates degree and that's it. I have friends who went to CC and are jobless. I have friends who went to ITT Tech and make 30K+ a year already. I also have friends who went to a decent 4 year college, graduated and haven't been able to get a job. (as field as the person who went to ITT Tech). 

Where you're money goes. From what i can tell, ITT Tech schools are NOT state funded. So that means, your campus, your computers, your software, your books, your everything they need to get the money for. Also, you are given a login to a MSDN in which you can get a lot of software (MS Server 2008, 2003, XP, 7, Vista and various others) i have taken full advantage of this and so should you. Server 2008 alone is roughly $2,000. They had to buy these keys. Your books are included with your payments so you don't have to spend 100 bucks on a book ever so often. CC are cheap because you pay for books, are state funded, built, and you have to pay for everything else. ITT Tech wraps everything up in a neat little bundle. Also, after you graduate, you can take classes for free. Say a new MS Server comes out, pop in and take the class no charge to you. Something you can't do at a CC. 

There is a guy that is in a few of my classes and his wife is going there for free. I have talked to some people who are paying less than CC prices because of financial aide. The G.I bill is covered as well. 

Bottom line: if you want a decent start, something to get your foot in the door and support your self while pursuing further education then ITT Tech is fine. Personally, i am enjoying ITT Tech so far and seems like it will be a decent start. I wouldn't say it is a "scam" but definitely over priced, and over hyped. 
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#28 General Comment

For G from Orchard

AUTHOR: Drew - (U.S.A.)

First Mr. G, 

Somewhere along the line in these posts there is no mention of the grants the schools apply for the students. For potential ITT'ers, this is a ONE SHOT DEAL with the federal grants! Once you use them, they're gone. Done. I was a victim of one of these schools, and never forgot it.

Wow, the shill process never ceases to amaze me. The school has been around since 1969? Wow! So have I! And a lot longer than that. 140.000 grads? Since '69? Wow. What's that got to do with anything in 2011. That's 42 years!! 140.000 don't sound like many!

Well, when ITT makes available, references for potential students to call and verify graduates' job hiring, placement and salary history, I will believe it when I see or read it. Not these pitiful and pathetic TV commercials, with these "everyday" looking individuals...supposedly people with whom
the ITT potentate is supposed to identify with. How pitiful. Sad and subterranean stupid.

Wow! So part of the "training" is the resume process? Really? Well whoopee! Go to your local EDD office and get all that counselling for FREE! And resumes printed too. And person to person practice interviews. Technique. All for FREE. And folks, their computers are modern and work!

I also guarantee if you need to talk to job counselors at the EDD, you will. Just ASK. "Most public and private schools don't do this?" LOL! What? That's one of the stupidest sentences in that paragraph. Or is that shill-speak.

Alumni services eh? BFD. All ITT Alumni offers is a plain old job fair. Go to one sponsored by your city, town, or county. IF there's not one close, Google the closest one to you. Most potential employers don't want to see you anyway.
They want your RESUME first people! Anyone reputable anyway. Remember that!

Your premise is the potential student has been told they're losers from the get-go, and ITT's job is to build them up? Regain faith in themselves? How is spending thousands or dollars they don't have going to do that? What, you gonna hold peoples hands? Give me a break and give young adults SOME credit, what an a-hole thing to say!

Okay Mr. whatever from wherever, Gshill, I'm a ripped-off from another school, they are the same. 

Above all this is my favorite line. "Advisory Council?" For ITT? Why, I'd never have guessed. At least you admit you're a shill for the bottom feeders.

 Now, I also hired and fired, in Property Management for years. I also did the hiring for several apartment rental properties in Orange County. You state---

"Employer's will look at the fact you DO have your degree, that you have work experience to back it up and the fact you followed through on a goal you started on."

--- They DON'T HAVE the experience in the field, thats why they're going to school! What they receive from these schools are NOT recognized degrees!  Are you frail, or what, in the head?----

 "It also allows employer's to see you have obtained structured training along the way as well and you are not relying only on "self training." WHERE you go to school comes down to what school will best prepare you for the "outside world" and provides you the greatest amount of benefits to succeed in your future career(s)."  

-- Alright pal, here's the clincher. I see this on a resume I round file it, why? I see LAZY! Won't get his or her general ed classes even at JC? LAZY! Wants to sit on butt and do online studies? LAZY, STONER, or LOSER? I smile, and round file it. Thats as far as I read before it's trashed, and on to a qualified candidate with a solid background and two years in the field. And a REAL Associates Degree, AT LEAST!

Put aside your sales trash talk, public schools cost blah blah blah..and cut right to the meat of this post. Your endless shills are annoying me now, and I desire to hurt you, badly, for stealing money from these good people.

I have been on both sides of this. The employer and the student who got ripped off. The student at the Junior College and the guy that hires and fires. I'm retired now at 55, and comfortable, because of investments I made in the 90's. My Junior College degree was in HVAC, and my work experience was in the trenches from 1985 to1997 for a large OC Property Management Co.

The ITT DEGREES are WORTHLESS. GO to your area Junior College and get your Associates, and network your way into the field. You do NOT need to spend thousands of wasted dollars into degrees that are NOT worth the paper they're printed on. 

And you Gshill? Go pound sand with your ITT Alumni buddies and pat yourselves on the back. 
Whatta load of bollocks.
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#29 General Comment

The ITT Tech Shills

AUTHOR: Drew - (U.S.A.)

Open letter to the ITT Tech shills here. 
I took the JC way to IT. My wife was an
Acct Mjr and Bus Minor at Cal State SB.
I am retired and she is now at the top of her game,
at 100k +...a real education got her there.

Let me begin with the TV commercials.
Near the end the commercials always
state in writing, albeit tiny letters, the
credits are NOT transferable. In otherwards,
you quit halfway through, no State Accredited
College will recognize them. They are worthless.

Joe and Jill EveryMan and Every-woman commercials.
Do they really, really think we are stupid enough to
believe these are real graduates? Where did they graduate from?
What degrees did they get? How much money do they make?
How do we contact them for references?

Did they deliberately audition fat women and dudes then
dumb down their looks? That is FLAT-ASSED insulting to
intelligent people ITT! Get a clue!

"Applied Degree?" WHAT is THAT? LOL! My wife has
the top job for the county health administration.
She does the hiring and has never heard of an
"applied science degree." LOL! Her words are thus,
"With so many professionals out of work with (real) MA's and
 BS's degrees, why would we (the County) hire
someone with a fake degree?"

Sorry chums, you wouldn't even make it to the interview process.

Do what I did and she did back in the early 90's. Go to JC, then the 4 year.
Study hard, graduate, and retire early.
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#30 REBUTTAL Owner of company

ITT-FORTLAUDERDALE and ITT Charlotte south

AUTHOR: alex - (United States of America)

Tina daley ball she was a receiptionist and a typist at ITT Tampa and fort lauderdale , she worked her way up by snitching on others to get promoted to director of carrer services at Fort Luaderdale and a registrar where she did the most damage by falsifing grades giving her boyfriend at the time the exams and falsifying his transcript. Also forging the entry exam to itt so she can increase enrollment.

Now she is a director at ITT- Charlotte South all promotions she got is by falsifing her resume and claiming she was an itt instructor part time teaching composition while working as a typist at itt.

ALL lies forging grades fa;sifying placement numbers so she can be promoted this is a good example why itt will fail.

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#31 General Comment

I READ YOUR REPORT

AUTHOR: knowledge - (United States of America)

HEY MY NAME IS MELINDA IM SO GLAD TO READ YOUR REPORT MY SISTER AND HAVE AN APPPOINTMENT OUT HERE IN KANSAS CITY MO @10:30AM THURSDAY 1/6/2011 WITH BARBIE IT SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE BEEN THREW WITH ANOTHER SCHOOL WE ATTENDED. GOOD LOOKING OUT

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#32 Consumer Comment

lawl

AUTHOR: Matt - (United States of America)

I am finding many of these posts hilarious. Don't get me wrong: I feel bad for those who have been lied to and wasted a ridiculous amount of time and money to get a a worthless degree; however, there really needs to be some accountability here. ITT is known across the board to be worthless in the eyes of employers. It is expensive and nobody takes it serious. Honestly, if I had an ITT degree I would leave it off of my resume. Potential students should be investigating this on their own. Blindly signing your life away to massive loans without doing your research is foolish and for this, maybe you do deserve to be branded with the stigma of an ITT degree.


How hard is it really to get into a decent state school, let alone a junior or community college? Trust me. There are some real idiots going to reputable 4-year research facilities. Junior colleges let anyone who can sign their own name in, and many state universities only require an accredited HS diploma and a very reasonable ACT/SAT score. I hate to say it, but if you're not able to achieve this bare minimum requirement... then maybe college just isn't for you. Hey -- the world needs janitors and trashmen. Not encouraging enough? Don't think a janitor job is for you? Then quit being a lazy idiot, do your research, and take care of what needs to be done to get into a decent school.



And to the funny posts bragging about graduating with 40-80k in debt and landing a 30-50k job... You do realize that the average college grad starts out making 50k+ right? Not exactly a bragging point. My cousin's BA in General Studies from a state university even landed him a 50k job... with 0 debt.



The bottom line is that if you're unable to get into a decent school, you're probably better off just starting off making less (and with no debt) in the workforce and climbing your way up.


My BS led to an excellent job in the aerospace industry... The excellent job allowed me to gain acceptance into an exceptional MS program (company paid). Point being that it's a progressive path.



ITT Path: 1. Pay lots of money, get in debt, waste years of your life 2. Get worthless piece of paper 3. Unemployment line 4. ?? 5. Success
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#33 Consumer Comment

Itt Technical institute

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Hey Troy.

 

I don't have to read your article.  Someone needs to call the Attorney Generals office and have this school shut down.   Period.

 

I attended admissions almost 8 yrs ago.  Everything that you mentioned is true.  I almost did sign up and told the girl who was doing the contract that she spelled something wrong on my papers.

 

I wish people would see through the lines.  One day this school will go out of commission.

 

Email me (((Redacted)))

 

 

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#34 Consumer Comment

itt tech made my dreams come true.

AUTHOR: rick - (United States of America)

ok i received a aa in electronics. worked in the field and recieved a bs in robotics. I had a job before graduation. west covina itt.  is itt the best or most expensive no and no.  I have worked 15 years in the field i went to school for.  Cost is revilant.  I am a service eng. i make good money. doors opened for me.  Don't forget that you have to work at what you do.  I recieved a ca. grant for my bs.  us goverment paid the first year.  i am not supprised Troy caster from Pamona is cry babby he must have an axe to grind. rick s. from whittier ca. is working with 5 others with itt degrees. I work on 4000w mitsubishi lasers. in l.a. ca. high tech jobs are hard deal with it or get a laborer job 7.50 hr i have.  GO TO SCHOOL GET A DEGREE FROM ITT. Then go out and prove your self. tech degrees are not english or history classes. They give practical experience in your field.  troy most grads don't have time to wast on this. SO I AM 100% more creditable than you. GET A JOB.  
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#35 Consumer Comment

ITT Technical Institute is a fantastic opportunity !

AUTHOR: itt graduate and proud of it ! - (United States of America)

Just like anything in life, you get out of it what you put into it.


Just like any career in life, you get out of it what you put into it.


ITT Technical Institute delivers exactly what they promise, a no-nonsense education focused on technology rather than Shakespeare and Football games.


My Class at ITT had exactly what any school has, those who are trying and those who are not.  Those who intended to have a good career do, as Managers, Engineers, Teachers, etc.  Those who did not are working in lumber yards, convenience stores, or not all. 


Those are the FACTS from my proud, and not so proud, graduating class.  I was a successful one because I chose to be successful.  The curriculum was in no way hindered, but only helped my career, and I learned more than I ever thought possible.


ITT Technical Institute itself had nothing to do with anyone's failure, but it certainly had a great deal to the success of many.


Those are the facts !

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#36 General Comment

Please reply.

AUTHOR: lpprojektrev - (United States of America)

Hello, my name is Fernando and i am currently attending the campus in West Covina. I would like to ask you some important questions about the campus.

Such as: is a degree offered there accepted by employers and if their are any positives in attending the institute? Your reply would be greatly appreciated. I plan to acquire a bachelors in Computer Security.
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#37 Consumer Comment

My Response to Consumer Comment #70 - packer44 - emporia:

AUTHOR: ClassActionLawsuit-ITT - (USA)

RE: #70 Consumer Comment: ITT-Tech is a good school - packer44 - emporia (United States of America)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 POSTED: Tuesday, March 23, 2010

For all you people who thinks itt-tech suck maybe you should go kill your self because I went there learn alot good shit and have a great career. So f**k off and die

 

My Response to Consumer Comment #70 - packer44 emporia:

WOW, I am impressed (NOT), and your parents should be so proud! Look at what ITT and an education/degree did for you -- you still can't spell, use poor grammar, and you have to resort to profanity and anger to make a point! Obviously "for all us people who thinks itt-tech suck, maybe you should go kill your self" because you went there and "learn alot good shit and have a great career" "so f** off and die" -- WOW, go figure!

Judging by your non-intelligent attitude, behavior, anger, the need to use such profanity and put other people down, I would be interested to know what kind of a "great career" you now have that obviously ITT was to blame for. It is extremely obvious you must not have a professional career or a professional job, or maybe the people you went to work for are just as inept, ignorant and stupid, or maybe they like hiring people with big time attitudes and anger management issues most definitely not good for business, if they want to stay in business WOW, maybe they also went to ITT! I know I wouldn't have hired you to clean toilets, let alone for any other professional career or job, and not many reputable companies would with an attitude like that!

You know, everyone has a right to their own opinion and a responsibility to voice that opinion in a responsible and respectable manner and tone; but you most definitely need to keep your immature, rude and pointless comments and bashing to yourself because you don't have a right to use profanity and anger or to be so judgmental when commenting about people's legitimate rights, complaints and concerns. Best of luck to you packer44 - emporia in your "great career" whatever that may be, I hope you get to keep your really great career and job, and I hope you dont become one of the rapidly increasing, present and future, unemployment statistics in this extremely frightening and unstable economy like so many people nationwide have already become, because I doubt you would really find another great job with such an attitude as yours! Then again, maybe you should become an unemployment statistic, then you would get a real dose of reality and maybe you wouldn't be so rude, mean, insensitive and judgmental about other people!

And to all the people out there who really do have legitimate complaints, concerns and financial horror stories about ITT Technical Institute nationwide, we need to all stand up together and fight for what's right and not let for-profit money hungry educational institutions like ITT get away with it anymore; we need to all stand together in a class action nationwide against ITT, classactionlawsuititt@hotmail.com! We deserve to have legitimate and affordable educational and career opportunities in order to make better choices and lives for ourselves and our families, for our survival in these uncertain and trying times without being financially ruined or going bankrupt from ITTs questionable financial and business practices.

Don't let people like packer44 - emporia or anyone else discourage you from standing up and fighting for what you believe in and whats right, and for what we all deserve, which is affordable, legitimate and reasonable education, so we can all graduate with the expectation that we will be able to have those really great careers and find high paying jobs in reputable companies, that ITT claims we will be hired for with an ITT education and degree in programs that also seem questionable and outdated, and without becoming financially ruined or bankrupt in the process. We know what ITTs motives are, and we obviously see right through packer44 - emporia's not so intelligent, profane and insensitive comments and motives! I would definitely like to hear back from respectable and responsible people in the same situation as I am, with the same or similar circumstances, legitimate concerns, issues and questionable dealings as I have with ITT!

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#38 General Comment

ITT-Tech is a good school

AUTHOR: packer44 - (United States of America)

For all you people who thinks itt-tech suck maybe you should go kill your self because I went there learn alot good shit and have a great career. So f**k off and die

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#39 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Accurate write-up

AUTHOR: Doug - (U.S.A.)

Caster,
Thanks for writing this.  You are very accurate and something needs to be done to stop ITT from continuing to set people up for life failure.  I was a student and an employee and regret both.  I have been able to complete my Masters degree from a true private university.  I was fired from ITT due to my unwillingness to lie to potential students.  I refused to promise jobs and huge wages.  Students are referred to "cheeks in seats" and yes they are nothing but numbers.  ITT should be shut down!!!  Thanks again for your write-up and please share with as many people as possible. 

PS, I will write again after my lawsuit against ITT is complete.

Doug
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#40 Consumer Comment

Still dealing with ITT TECH SCUM, any advice would be helpful.

AUTHOR: Hillary222 - (United States of America)

My boyfriend enrolled at ITT Tech a little over a year ago and once I caught the scent that something was not right I urged him to discontinue going there and he did, unfortunately after 2 whole semesters. My boyfriend has always been in a low income family and when he made inquiries on several schools to go to he go an immediate, shark-like, phone call back from a recruiter at ITT Tech and, partially because he was niave, was impressed with their response. He is 25 and wanted to go to college and get a degree like I did so that we could have a good life together. He is crazy about the idea of classes and he would need a lot of extra help in school. I did go to his appointment with his recruiter the first time. I, being through school and having loans, know how it all works so I asked most of the questions. The recruiter was good, saying he worked long hours but it was worth it (hindsight is 20/20, he probably just meant he got paid well for taking advantage of young people trying to make the right decisions and get an education). He explained the program and tried his hardest not to tell me the actual tuition. He gave me a quote finally of $45,000 for all 4 semesters. I went to community college and I about fell over. I should have ran there but I never saw my boyfriend so enthusiastic about school. THe recruiter told me, who was concerned about loans and not having them, that my boyfriend would be all paid for from grants and other funding completely until the final semester when he would have to take out a small loan. This was also confirmed for me in the financial aid office that I went to with him by the guy helping him fill out his FAFSA. They were enthusiastic all day stressing how he won't have to pay anything. He just shows up, gets his books, and gets he awesome education. He said everything is hands on, classes are small, blah blah blah. My boyfriend, to my surprise, passed the entrance exam on the second try. He failed first, retook it and hit just the mark to pass it. How rigged does that seem? So he started going to school which was a 30min commute by car from our house, but a 2 hour communte by bus and train (and he was doing this 3 days a week when he was not working and paying for it himself). So he stopped going about a couple months ago after his completion of his second semester. In his annual credit report he had a $6,000 total amount loan due to Sallie Mae to our surprise and received a phone call literally that same week from a debt collector looking to collect his debt from ITT Tech. I called ITT Tech and financial aid, who cannot share specifics with me, told me that he was taking about a loan for $3,000 each semester most likely to make up for what is not covered by grants. I was infuriated! They obviously left this out and did not answer my questions truthfully. He said I would have to talk to the school director so I am going to call tomorrow and see what lies this lady has for me. He then told me tuition was $17,000 a year. So they quoted $45,000 for 2 years to me before and that doesn't match up. His financial aid he is getting total gives him $16,000 towards everything (INCLUDING TRANSPORTATION which he has been paying for out of pocket, that he wrote on his application that he would need) each year. So technically he should only owe them about $1,000 after everything each year. Where did this $6,000 come from? How come we never received one item from sallie mae in the mail saying he had a loan for the last year? He told me that I need to check with the post office or call sallie mae. And who is the debt collector saying he owes ITT Tech money? Shouldnt they be taken care of by Sallie mae? We will find out what and how much this debt is to ITT Tech directly tomorrow. And we are making an appt. with the director next week. Everything they told us was a lie because I knew the right questions to ask and they lied to my face. If I knew he would have had to take out a $3,000 private loan every semester I would have slapped them all in the face and took him to community college where he could pay $1,500-$2,000 a semester. Plus on top of that I noticed that his education was stuff I did in HIGH SCHOOL! They did not teach him proper college materials. He was learning the bare minimum and hardly had any knowledge of his major after one year. Then I find out no school takes his credits and no employer will honor his $45,000 associate degree either? Does that even make sense at all? Does anyone have advice or insight before I go and make an appointment with the director? We can't pay this money and that is why we went there in the first place because all they talked about was how he would go for free and was taken care of. I went to school with him some nights and stayed so he didn't have to make his commute and I saw the people there. They want to tell me that those people will have $12,000 in student loans after 2 years gaining interest ?!!! YEAH RIGHT!
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#41 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Chinese and Indian

AUTHOR: jthomas - (United States of America)

Hi, I'm an International student from China. I was about to enroll for ITT Tech.., but never mind. This clearly shows me how ITT Tech's doing business. and i will post some comments to Chinese and Indian International Student Network site. Thanks to the comments.

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#42 Author of original report

I'm still here!

AUTHOR: Caster - (U.S.A.)

Hey just to let y'all know, good ole Caz Troy is still reading this bulletin and checking in.   ITT Tech is garbage and from the complaints on this board, not much has changed! 

Have y'all seen the increase in commercials from this school?  They are the same commercial over and over and over again.  "Come to ITT Tech and we'll change your life."  "Before I was in ITT Tech I didn't know what I wanted. Now I'm a ___________."   They're basically "painting a picture" in these commercials and it's all advertising magic.  

Please keep close notice to a lot of the commercials because a lot of the commercials these days even have disclaimers and warnings about the commercial and their honesty. 

 

 

 

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#43 General Comment

Just one guy's comment

AUTHOR: boolean3d - (United States of America)

It is intersting to see so many people complaining about this ITT Tech company.  Out of the few here that complain a lot, just take note that there are more than 100 times more poeple out there that have gone to ITT Tech that are not.  And I am assuming that you complainers are not successful in your endeavers to make a better life for your self.  And are placing the blame on the school for you failures or insecurities.  You had a goal in mind and attending a college for eduction was a means to help you attain that goal.  I guarantee that by not attending school to increase your knowledge that you never get anywhere unless you educate yourself. 

The education that you receive from any institution whether it be for profit or not is really not up to the instructor, the school, your friends . . . or whatever, it is up to you.  In fact I know plenty of people that have not committed themselves to attend school for educattion but did all the learning on their own.  They are very successful in their endeavors because of their committment to themselves.  

Your complaints here on this 'forum' will go un noticed.  If you are really attending this ITT Tech company and have all this grief why not focus your complaints on them to make it better.  Whining about it here will get you nowhere.

As for the person who posted some crap about federal court  and searching the school for documents and junk like that, you might want to do your research to find out exactly what that was all about (because its obviuos that you have no clue).

Just one more thing.  I am not here defending the ITT Tech company.  I have been given an assignment in school th do a little research about people's opinions.  Quite frankly the opinions pointed out here are just a bunch of garbage.  Just rants on why you dont like this or that.  There are no hard facts backing up statements.

Take responsibility for yourself.

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#44 General Comment

A few solutions for ITT Tech from smsdam.com

AUTHOR: phanerus - (Nigeria)

Hello ITT Tech is obviously trying to cut down costs at the expense of a lot of things.
I would have suggested they increase fees out right and still maintain standards to avoid reports like this . Also the management of ITT Tech need to have a sit down and change how they have been running things. It is necessary action when you are presiding over a very dynamic system in terms of its complexity like students and lecturers who need money on the side for so many things. For complex systems like this you certainly have to do a clean up every now and then bad eggs and weeds always get into the pack some how when u dont clean up periodically .Also taking feed backs from the people who are of most concern - the students . Would help the most. That way ITT Tech can know exactly where the shoe hurts the most and then make plans to change it. smsdam.com
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ITT TECH

AUTHOR: Diamondgirl - (USA)

   OMG! I am so glad I found this site! I was literally one day away from signing up at ITT.  I was so eager to get an education, that I was willing to do whatever it took to get into a school.  I thought ITT was a reputable school.  I don't know why or how the FCC allows false advertising on television.  Thank You everyone for stopping me from making the biggest mistake of my life and I am so sorry for ALL of you that got taken for a ride from this fly-by-night operation!  I wish there was something I could do to help.

   I am in the St. Louis, Missouri area and looking for a IT school.  Can someone recommend a good school?  I was also looking into Missouri Tech.  I googled Missouri Tech and so far have found NO reviews at all, good or bad.  Maybe as they say, "no news is good news"?  Thanks for reading.

 

Diana

St. Louis, Missouri

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#46 Consumer Comment

ITT Victims Board

AUTHOR: ReactorCore - (Canada)

There's a lot of gripes about ITT. LOTS.

There is a board for people to get together and share their "horror stories" regarding ITT in the realms of recruitment, enrollment and just general (really) bad classroom experiences. For those of you stung by ITT and wishing to network with others who have been through that grinder, here is a site that you may find interesting and informative... It dishes all the dirt on how bad ITT is, but (more importantly) it tells you WHY it's so bad:

ittakestime.org

Hope this helps you folks.
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#47 Consumer Comment

ITT Tech, not all its cracked up to be?

AUTHOR: 2wentee - (U.S.A.)

Yesterday I met with a ITT Tech sales person I mean career counselor and a lot of things are definitely coming into perspective after reading your post.
For starters, I felt as if she was more concerned with signing me up rather than the future of my life. Instead of taking a job placement test to bring my true talents to light, she laid out a bunch of flow charts and we used the process elimination to determine what career path will one day support my family.

They told me that upon graduation, I will make a minimum of the tuition that I paid plus 25% per year. So they basically guaranteed I will walk out of ITTs door and into a $56,250/year job ($45,000tuitionX.25=$11,250+$45,000=$56,000). She never said that I will make $56,250 out the door, wouldn't they make a point to tell you that if it was true?

The little test thing they give you was complete nonsense. I have attended a 'real' college, taken real final exams, and taken the SAT's. I really believe the questions on the ITT test was some kind of complex 'coded' personality test designed to get an upper hand on prospective students. I say this because the questions were not truly based on any kind of intelligence, they seemed more of a perspective.

All in all my experience seemed like one big psychological attack and i am not really the paranoid type.
Anyways, please let me know your take on this. Thank you
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#48 Consumer Comment

ITT Tech, not all its cracked up to be?

AUTHOR: 2wentee - (U.S.A.)

Yesterday I met with a ITT Tech sales person I mean career counselor and a lot of things are definitely coming into perspective after reading your post.
For starters, I felt as if she was more concerned with signing me up rather than the future of my life. Instead of taking a job placement test to bring my true talents to light, she laid out a bunch of flow charts and we used the process elimination to determine what career path will one day support my family.

They told me that upon graduation, I will make a minimum of the tuition that I paid plus 25% per year. So they basically guaranteed I will walk out of ITTs door and into a $56,250/year job ($45,000tuitionX.25=$11,250+$45,000=$56,000). She never said that I will make $56,250 out the door, wouldn't they make a point to tell you that if it was true?

The little test thing they give you was complete nonsense. I have attended a 'real' college, taken real final exams, and taken the SAT's. I really believe the questions on the ITT test was some kind of complex 'coded' personality test designed to get an upper hand on prospective students. I say this because the questions were not truly based on any kind of intelligence, they seemed more of a perspective.

All in all my experience seemed like one big psychological attack and i am not really the paranoid type.
Anyways, please let me know your take on this. Thank you
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#49 Consumer Comment

ITT Tech, not all its cracked up to be?

AUTHOR: 2wentee - (U.S.A.)

Yesterday I met with a ITT Tech sales person I mean career counselor and a lot of things are definitely coming into perspective after reading your post.
For starters, I felt as if she was more concerned with signing me up rather than the future of my life. Instead of taking a job placement test to bring my true talents to light, she laid out a bunch of flow charts and we used the process elimination to determine what career path will one day support my family.

They told me that upon graduation, I will make a minimum of the tuition that I paid plus 25% per year. So they basically guaranteed I will walk out of ITTs door and into a $56,250/year job ($45,000tuitionX.25=$11,250+$45,000=$56,000). She never said that I will make $56,250 out the door, wouldn't they make a point to tell you that if it was true?

The little test thing they give you was complete nonsense. I have attended a 'real' college, taken real final exams, and taken the SAT's. I really believe the questions on the ITT test was some kind of complex 'coded' personality test designed to get an upper hand on prospective students. I say this because the questions were not truly based on any kind of intelligence, they seemed more of a perspective.

All in all my experience seemed like one big psychological attack and i am not really the paranoid type.
Anyways, please let me know your take on this. Thank you
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#50 Consumer Comment

Ripped Off and Taken Advantage of at ITT North Houston...

AUTHOR: Randy - (U.S.A.)

I moved my family to Texas from Northern Virginia in October 2007 when the real estate market was crashing and my home was in foreclosure. We were told by a close relative residing in Texas that the Houston area was stable due to the oil, gas, and chemical industries and not effected by mortgage fraud, foreclosures, and bad economy.

I owned a small IT services company in Virginia and began looking for an IT position in the Houston area. I went to ITT Technical Institute in December 2007 to apply for a job when I was approached by an attractive recruiter. She talked me into signing up and taking some classes to enrich my already extensive knowledge and experience in IT along with the opportunity to network with other professionals in my field. She advised me that my certifications were somewhat outdated and they would assist me in refreshing them.

Needless to say, I completed and signed the student loan application which to my surprise was immediately approved. My credit was poor at the time due to the foreclosure of my $450K home in VA. After the first couple of classes, I realized that I knew more than the instructors. I am an MCSE (Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer 2203), CCNP (Cisco Certified Network Professional 2002), VCP (VMware Certified Professional 2007), and a CCA (Citrix Certified Administrator 2005).

I stoppped attending classes and found a great job, but for the remainder of the semester and thereafter, I was harassed by the recruiter and the career counselor to return to ITT and complete my education. My recruiter had also advised me that my regular 4-year college credits would transfer but that it may take a semester or so. Not true. A small irony in this is that two rsums from two of the ITT instructors came accross my desk at the company where I am currently employed as a Senior Systems Engineer. Their IT experience is practically nil.

Bottom line is that I was taken advantage of due to my vulnerability as a desperate new kid on the block in Houston. I went there looking for employment but was mislead into signing up for a two-year college. My wife and I filed for bankruptcy in 2008 and was approved in court. ITT was included but Sallie Mae wasn't. I just received a notice from a collection agency (NCO Financial Systems, Inc.) demanding me to repay the entire $4059.48 amount of the ITT portion of the loan after the bankruptcy court had already wiped my slate clean of them.

ITT Technical Institute's method of recruiting students is an outrage and a travesty to education. ITT deliberately and knowingly misleads individuals who wish to better themselves, and ultimately makes things worse for them. ITT Technical Institute needs to be shut down until they can stop ripping people off!
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#51 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Gg - (U.S.A.)

I wanted to continue on towards my higher education after a few years of completing schools. Being tight on money and having no college fund set up I decided to look to see what options were available to me school wise. Call me ignorant, but I always thought a community college would be more expensive than a trade school. So I set up an appointment to visit my local ITT Tech campus in Colorado. Luckily I had someone come with me, a guy friend I had known just for back up. So I went to my scheduled appointment and sat through it listening to a sales pitch. I knew it was a sales pitch because I have a couple years of sales experience under my belt. The recruiter kept going on and on about how ITT Tech was accredited and that the investment would be worth it. I told him about my financial situation and of course he had an answer for that as well. So, being naive I said okay to the estimated cost which would have been 45,000 for two years (usually a B.A. takes 4 years). Thinking back on it now I would have buried myself so far in debt had I decided to go 45,000 x 2 = 90,000..talk about ouch. Any way, there was one hurdle standing in the way of me attending collegethe fact that I needed my parents tax information. This was a huge problem because my mother was not willing to divulge this information.

The next day my recruiter calls and tells me that I need that information to continue school and if there was any way I could go to the place my mother filed her taxes and try to get her information. I stood on the phone dumbfounded and told him that this was not possible. Of course he kept calling until my boyfriend told him to stop bothering us. I am so happy that fate stepped in and a series of events happened so I would not waste my life paying back loans for an education that is only good for entry level positions. Now I am attending a community college for $98 dollars per credit hour, being that I am considered a resident. It is a little more, I think $196 for non-residents. Also, many community colleges offer online classes, nights and weekend courses. Not everything is available of course and many of the prerequisites classes are not GT or Guaranteed to Transfer as a credits to a major university; however, higher level classes usually (100 + ) are GT to transfer! So, that's nice!

The moral of my story is check into your local community/junior colleges and see what you can get as far as grants, work-study, loans and scholarships. I had almost my entire college bill covered and got back the money that was not used. I had to only take out 1,500 loan for my first semester (because I was not considered a resident and I was also too late to file for residency for that semester) and don't need to worry about paying that until 2014.Chances are you are better off going to a junior college because it is cheaper. I know most people are turned off to the idea, but colleges now offer many perks that were not around before. I am a single mother, who works a full-time job and also attends college at 12 credit hours. I have done all this in my first year and have maintained a 3.8 GPA while going to a college that I know will give me the education, respect and honesty I need in order to transfer to an university of my choice! So, think hard and do your research. Institutions like ITT Tech like to prey on single parents, seniors, the poor and any other person who has dreams to make their lives better, but not enough money to do so. Do not fall for their tricks.

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G.G.
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AUTHOR: Gg - (U.S.A.)

I wanted to continue on towards my higher education after a few years of completing schools. Being tight on money and having no college fund set up I decided to look to see what options were available to me school wise. Call me ignorant, but I always thought a community college would be more expensive than a trade school. So I set up an appointment to visit my local ITT Tech campus in Colorado. Luckily I had someone come with me, a guy friend I had known just for back up. So I went to my scheduled appointment and sat through it listening to a sales pitch. I knew it was a sales pitch because I have a couple years of sales experience under my belt. The recruiter kept going on and on about how ITT Tech was accredited and that the investment would be worth it. I told him about my financial situation and of course he had an answer for that as well. So, being naive I said okay to the estimated cost which would have been 45,000 for two years (usually a B.A. takes 4 years). Thinking back on it now I would have buried myself so far in debt had I decided to go 45,000 x 2 = 90,000..talk about ouch. Any way, there was one hurdle standing in the way of me attending collegethe fact that I needed my parents tax information. This was a huge problem because my mother was not willing to divulge this information.

The next day my recruiter calls and tells me that I need that information to continue school and if there was any way I could go to the place my mother filed her taxes and try to get her information. I stood on the phone dumbfounded and told him that this was not possible. Of course he kept calling until my boyfriend told him to stop bothering us. I am so happy that fate stepped in and a series of events happened so I would not waste my life paying back loans for an education that is only good for entry level positions. Now I am attending a community college for $98 dollars per credit hour, being that I am considered a resident. It is a little more, I think $196 for non-residents. Also, many community colleges offer online classes, nights and weekend courses. Not everything is available of course and many of the prerequisites classes are not GT or Guaranteed to Transfer as a credits to a major university; however, higher level classes usually (100 + ) are GT to transfer! So, that's nice!

The moral of my story is check into your local community/junior colleges and see what you can get as far as grants, work-study, loans and scholarships. I had almost my entire college bill covered and got back the money that was not used. I had to only take out 1,500 loan for my first semester (because I was not considered a resident and I was also too late to file for residency for that semester) and don't need to worry about paying that until 2014.Chances are you are better off going to a junior college because it is cheaper. I know most people are turned off to the idea, but colleges now offer many perks that were not around before. I am a single mother, who works a full-time job and also attends college at 12 credit hours. I have done all this in my first year and have maintained a 3.8 GPA while going to a college that I know will give me the education, respect and honesty I need in order to transfer to an university of my choice! So, think hard and do your research. Institutions like ITT Tech like to prey on single parents, seniors, the poor and any other person who has dreams to make their lives better, but not enough money to do so. Do not fall for their tricks.

Thanks,

G.G.
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#53 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Gg - (U.S.A.)

I wanted to continue on towards my higher education after a few years of completing schools. Being tight on money and having no college fund set up I decided to look to see what options were available to me school wise. Call me ignorant, but I always thought a community college would be more expensive than a trade school. So I set up an appointment to visit my local ITT Tech campus in Colorado. Luckily I had someone come with me, a guy friend I had known just for back up. So I went to my scheduled appointment and sat through it listening to a sales pitch. I knew it was a sales pitch because I have a couple years of sales experience under my belt. The recruiter kept going on and on about how ITT Tech was accredited and that the investment would be worth it. I told him about my financial situation and of course he had an answer for that as well. So, being naive I said okay to the estimated cost which would have been 45,000 for two years (usually a B.A. takes 4 years). Thinking back on it now I would have buried myself so far in debt had I decided to go 45,000 x 2 = 90,000..talk about ouch. Any way, there was one hurdle standing in the way of me attending collegethe fact that I needed my parents tax information. This was a huge problem because my mother was not willing to divulge this information.

The next day my recruiter calls and tells me that I need that information to continue school and if there was any way I could go to the place my mother filed her taxes and try to get her information. I stood on the phone dumbfounded and told him that this was not possible. Of course he kept calling until my boyfriend told him to stop bothering us. I am so happy that fate stepped in and a series of events happened so I would not waste my life paying back loans for an education that is only good for entry level positions. Now I am attending a community college for $98 dollars per credit hour, being that I am considered a resident. It is a little more, I think $196 for non-residents. Also, many community colleges offer online classes, nights and weekend courses. Not everything is available of course and many of the prerequisites classes are not GT or Guaranteed to Transfer as a credits to a major university; however, higher level classes usually (100 + ) are GT to transfer! So, that's nice!

The moral of my story is check into your local community/junior colleges and see what you can get as far as grants, work-study, loans and scholarships. I had almost my entire college bill covered and got back the money that was not used. I had to only take out 1,500 loan for my first semester (because I was not considered a resident and I was also too late to file for residency for that semester) and don't need to worry about paying that until 2014.Chances are you are better off going to a junior college because it is cheaper. I know most people are turned off to the idea, but colleges now offer many perks that were not around before. I am a single mother, who works a full-time job and also attends college at 12 credit hours. I have done all this in my first year and have maintained a 3.8 GPA while going to a college that I know will give me the education, respect and honesty I need in order to transfer to an university of my choice! So, think hard and do your research. Institutions like ITT Tech like to prey on single parents, seniors, the poor and any other person who has dreams to make their lives better, but not enough money to do so. Do not fall for their tricks.

Thanks,

G.G.
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#54 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Gg - (U.S.A.)

I wanted to continue on towards my higher education after a few years of completing schools. Being tight on money and having no college fund set up I decided to look to see what options were available to me school wise. Call me ignorant, but I always thought a community college would be more expensive than a trade school. So I set up an appointment to visit my local ITT Tech campus in Colorado. Luckily I had someone come with me, a guy friend I had known just for back up. So I went to my scheduled appointment and sat through it listening to a sales pitch. I knew it was a sales pitch because I have a couple years of sales experience under my belt. The recruiter kept going on and on about how ITT Tech was accredited and that the investment would be worth it. I told him about my financial situation and of course he had an answer for that as well. So, being naive I said okay to the estimated cost which would have been 45,000 for two years (usually a B.A. takes 4 years). Thinking back on it now I would have buried myself so far in debt had I decided to go 45,000 x 2 = 90,000..talk about ouch. Any way, there was one hurdle standing in the way of me attending collegethe fact that I needed my parents tax information. This was a huge problem because my mother was not willing to divulge this information.

The next day my recruiter calls and tells me that I need that information to continue school and if there was any way I could go to the place my mother filed her taxes and try to get her information. I stood on the phone dumbfounded and told him that this was not possible. Of course he kept calling until my boyfriend told him to stop bothering us. I am so happy that fate stepped in and a series of events happened so I would not waste my life paying back loans for an education that is only good for entry level positions. Now I am attending a community college for $98 dollars per credit hour, being that I am considered a resident. It is a little more, I think $196 for non-residents. Also, many community colleges offer online classes, nights and weekend courses. Not everything is available of course and many of the prerequisites classes are not GT or Guaranteed to Transfer as a credits to a major university; however, higher level classes usually (100 + ) are GT to transfer! So, that's nice!

The moral of my story is check into your local community/junior colleges and see what you can get as far as grants, work-study, loans and scholarships. I had almost my entire college bill covered and got back the money that was not used. I had to only take out 1,500 loan for my first semester (because I was not considered a resident and I was also too late to file for residency for that semester) and don't need to worry about paying that until 2014.Chances are you are better off going to a junior college because it is cheaper. I know most people are turned off to the idea, but colleges now offer many perks that were not around before. I am a single mother, who works a full-time job and also attends college at 12 credit hours. I have done all this in my first year and have maintained a 3.8 GPA while going to a college that I know will give me the education, respect and honesty I need in order to transfer to an university of my choice! So, think hard and do your research. Institutions like ITT Tech like to prey on single parents, seniors, the poor and any other person who has dreams to make their lives better, but not enough money to do so. Do not fall for their tricks.

Thanks,

G.G.
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#55 Consumer Comment

Thanks for the advice!

AUTHOR: Lana - (U.S.A.)

I am looking to start my BA in Criminal Justice, I checked in here first, and canceled my tour of the school.The recrutier asked why, and I said due to what I read here.He went on and on, about not trusting everything on the net. I feel all of these statements are very honest, and valid points.Thanks again.
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#56 UPDATE EX-employee responds

AMEN SISTER

AUTHOR: Doug - (U.S.A.)

I am also a previous employee and you nailed it on the nose. I was a recruiter and after each day of work, I felt that I needed to go home and shower. Unfortunantely, I went to school there in the early 1990's but thought working there would be different. Instead, it just confirmed my beliefs all around. Education should put people in a better position for their future instead of a ton of debt for entry level jobs. I am angry about this situation and plan to continue to voice my concerns. I hope you do the same.
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#57 Consumer Comment

THANK YOU, YOU SAVED ME 80,000 DOLLARS

AUTHOR: Jennifer.torrentes - (U.S.A.)

I was interested in going to ITT Tech, I saw all the commercials, and was totally sucked in. I went yesterday for my meeting with the recruiter, and was there for 3 hours. Taking a test to see if I could get in, which was ridiculously easy, taking tours, ect. At first, I thought this school was for me. Then we got to the finance part. 20,000 a year?? really? I was floored to say the least, and the only thing that they could say was that it was this amazing investment on my future, they kept comparing it to the purchase of a car. I didn't see the connection but whatever. But I was willing to hear what he had to say, and I must admit, what he was saying was pretty convincing, and sounded amazing. The schedule, ( i have four children, and work), the class size, the hands on aspect. I made another appointment for today to take my w2's and my husbands, and they could tell me the exact numbers of my loans and grants. (which is weird because the year that they are asking for i didnt even know my husband, and when I asked about that they couldnt answer) I told them that the cost was outrageous and that there is no way i could pay that. He was very comforting, saying that no one can, and they are there to help me. Then he told me that there was a huge return on my "investment" I asked what that was. He said 25%...huh.. 25%.. wow, thats huge..I was expecting like, 70, at least. 25 isnt a huge return form me, especially off of $80,000 .The financial aid woman told me that she was going to do everything in her power, to get me all the money that she could, thinking "wow, these people really want me to enroll" (and in reading your letter, I know relize why they where so adimate, even going to far as to calling the IRS, right then and there, and requesting a copy of my w2's and tax transcripts) The recruiter was very careful on how he chose his words, using "like" alot. "These are the people "like" the people who hire our students". Also he kept reminding me that there was 108 campuses in the US. Also, they had pictures on a board, of students that were now working. There was about 10 pictures on there, which was funny, because he told me that there was 400 enrolled. 10 out of 400 isnt very good. Then he proceeded to let me know that 49% of there students graduate, ( less then half.. hmmm..) and that the staff was there whenever you needed them, private tutoring ect. But while was there, (it was about 1 in the afternoon) there was no one there, and the 3 women I did see where kind of rude. So Im not to sure about the staff there. I dont know, call me crazy but in the end, if Im paying upwards of 80 grand, I want some respect.. i dont know.. thats just me...

Yesterday when I left, I went to the local grocery store, and I was chatting with the cashier about this ITT thing, and the gentleman behind me inturupted me, letting me know that he was a students of ITT. (nice..right??!!) He told me that the education was crap. It was only about 1/2 of what he really needed to know. That yes, he did graduate, and started off at 40 a year, he could have been making alot more if the training at ITT was better. For what hes doing, at the company hes with he should have started at 60. hhmmm.. interesting.

I am now going to the jc that I was origianlly interested in.

So reading your letter, really confirmed everything. Especially hearing it from a recruiter, the truth, from someone who actually has been on that side. I super appriciate you taking the time to right this. You have saved me not only a life of debt, but frusteration as well, and with 4 kids, and a husband, thats just not something I want. So, your article has not fallin on def ears (persay) and has helped. alot. And agian, I thank you. Your on it!!!
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#58 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Castor- Just a few comments...

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

I'm sorry about your experience but I am here to tell you that not all "recruiters" lie to get students into class. If you believe in and are enthusiastic about the service you are selling, the potential student will be as well. There is no reason to lie about anything. Also, as far as recruiting being an easier job than being in the financial aid department, you are dead wrong. Basically all the financial aid administrators do is sit in their office and complete paperwork. Yeah, that's real tough. The position doesn't even require a degree as recruiting does. The reason that recruiters get paid better is because their main job is to keep new students coming in which in turn keeps the business going.
Maybe you should get your facts straight before coming on a site such as this and blasting everyone that works in the marketing department. You had a bad experience. So what? Obviously you are pretty lazy (you stated that the only reason you stayed as long as you did was because you didn't have to "work that hard") and just didn't have what it takes to cut it as a recruiter. Come on, you didn't even work there a year!
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#59 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Castor- Just a few comments...

AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

I'm sorry about your experience but I am here to tell you that not all "recruiters" lie to get students into class. If you believe in and are enthusiastic about the service you are selling, the potential student will be as well. There is no reason to lie about anything. Also, as far as recruiting being an easier job than being in the financial aid department, you are dead wrong. Basically all the financial aid administrators do is sit in their office and complete paperwork. Yeah, that's real tough. The position doesn't even require a degree as recruiting does. The reason that recruiters get paid better is because their main job is to keep new students coming in which in turn keeps the business going.
Maybe you should get your facts straight before coming on a site such as this and blasting everyone that works in the marketing department. You had a bad experience. So what? Obviously you are pretty lazy (you stated that the only reason you stayed as long as you did was because you didn't have to "work that hard") and just didn't have what it takes to cut it as a recruiter. Come on, you didn't even work there a year!
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AUTHOR: Anonymous - (U.S.A.)

I'm sorry about your experience but I am here to tell you that not all "recruiters" lie to get students into class. If you believe in and are enthusiastic about the service you are selling, the potential student will be as well. There is no reason to lie about anything. Also, as far as recruiting being an easier job than being in the financial aid department, you are dead wrong. Basically all the financial aid administrators do is sit in their office and complete paperwork. Yeah, that's real tough. The position doesn't even require a degree as recruiting does. The reason that recruiters get paid better is because their main job is to keep new students coming in which in turn keeps the business going.
Maybe you should get your facts straight before coming on a site such as this and blasting everyone that works in the marketing department. You had a bad experience. So what? Obviously you are pretty lazy (you stated that the only reason you stayed as long as you did was because you didn't have to "work that hard") and just didn't have what it takes to cut it as a recruiter. Come on, you didn't even work there a year!
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#61 Consumer Suggestion

I Agree!

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

I was attending an ITT in Newburgh, IN. and I agree totally! the teaching there is so watered down! Also I even had a teacher give us a multiple choice test and on the back of the test there were the answers. I believe a lot of the thinking they had was baby them through it, give them good grades, get their money and ship them out!
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#62 Consumer Comment

A little perspective from a 6th quarter ITT Student

AUTHOR: Hipstick - (U.S.A.)

I agree with many of the posts here, however I think there is a major dynamic of the school that you are all missing. First off I'm not a genuis, however I do apply myself. I have a 4.0 GPA and have barely broken a sweat. My hardest course was Physics, and I left that course with a 94, and absolutly no idea what kinetic energy is. Will I use Physics? Probably not, but if I transfer to a Univ. I'm going to be expected to understand the concepts.

With that said, the major issue at the Lake Mary, FL campus, is the grand "slacker syndrome" as I call it. The school allows it's students to slack off, and will pass them with very little effort from the student. They may not get a high GPA, but they'll get the degree and that's really all that matters on a resume. At Itt-Tech you only get what you yourself put into it. There are no teachers pushing you to do a GREAT job, they are impressed when papers are turned in on time. No one expects great things from you, so no one does great things.

Also alot of my instructors have SUCKED. But I have had some really great ones. Most of the horrible teachers I've had were let go or quit themselves after realizing it wasn't a right fit. It seems that they'll hire anyone to teach a class, but on the flip side of that, they'll fire someone for practically anything. They recently let go a great teacher at my campus. He was forced to teach classes that he didn't know anything about. Of course students started complaining that he wasn't competent and before you know it, he's fired. After 5 years of teaching there.

Teachers have told me that when asked to teach classes that they weren't trained to teach, the administration would tell them, "Just read this powerpoint we created to follow the curriculum, you'll be ok." Anyone teaching a course that they themselves know only from reading a power point or textbook, basically are teaching you from nothing but text. So in fact, in those classes you could go to a library and check out a book that would have given you the same information.

Another major error on the side of ITT is the Virtual Library. A multi-million dollar peice of junk that serves no other purpose but to piss off it's students. Why not actually build a real library? It's the biggest waste of money I've ever seen. It has potential, but not until they hire a company to make it easy to use and reliable.

One last point and my rant is done. The "slacker syndrome" that I spoke about earlier is my main issue with the school. Many students in my classes hold me back because the instructor is constantly forced to go over material again and again. Students who attend ITT immediatly realize that they do not have to apply themselves. As soon as this realization is met, they miss class every other week and then complain that we don't get enough lab time. They have no knowledge of what it means to work on a "group" project and no desire to apply themselves. It makes me sick to think how much money they are putting into their education only to leave the school with barely any more advantages then a high-school graduate. If the school forced all their students to attend class, turn in assignments and maintain standards that every REAL school enforces, students would benefit from it. Students who leave the school with no education, and then find jobs which they are let go from due to incompetence only give, other ITT grads a bad name.

I don't think that I would recommend this school to anyone, but if you are currently attending ITT, apply yourself, and make the best of it. A University professor that I recently spoke with told me that if I fight hard enough some Universities would accept the majority of my credits. I will however have to fight, submit my textbooks and present examples of what I've learned.
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#63 Consumer Comment

Shills that kill

AUTHOR: Kayot - (U.S.A.)

Shill:

1. A person paid to endorse a product favorably, while pretending to be impartial.
2. An accomplice at a confidence trick during an auction or gambling game.

Reasoning; I feel that there have been several cases in which people here are shills. The reason I believe this to be true is quite simple.

Example: You buy a lawn mower, it works out of box. What do you do? In most cases, you would use it and if it kept working within it's specifications for the resonable amount of time, you would not have any complains. You would not go onto "ripoff reports" and state what a great product it is. Infact, the thought would not cross your mind.

So why are there people here who are NOT Owners of the company backing this obvious scam up? More importantly, why did they suddenly show up in force when the post size started increasing?

There is an entire team that is paid by ITT Tech to go board snooping. Keep that in mind dear readers. Please do not become like the fallen here. Do not loose your future because of these people.
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#64 Consumer Comment

How to Contact You?

AUTHOR: Shiz Stain - (U.S.A.)

The email I can't find anywhere but I do have a question. I got accepted but didn't sign any enrollment paper. I called the school up and they said since i didn't go to the FAFSA thing then I don't have to worry because when classes start I don't have to go. Is this true or are they bullshizzzing me?

Also how can I contact you?
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#65 Consumer Comment

Focus

AUTHOR: Robby - (U.S.A.)

Castor. why is your focus on ITT?...there are lots of intitutions and companies that are ripping people off for real. there is one thing that might go against you even if you get all your facts which u dont have....u used to work for ITT. what do you think the majority of students going to ITT are going to think when they read your report?: you got fired so you want to retaliate...that is not the best way to go about things if you want to make a change...i agree with all the positive rebuttals on this report. education is what you make it. some student is going to graduate from a four year college with a BA and not get any job or not know what they want to do with their lives while students who attend schools like ITT get better jobs and better lives doing what they love. Honestly, it can go both ways. you have to know what you want to do, to go to ITT...otherwise you are wasting your time and money. as for the costs...to me its worth it.

i am planning on attending ITT, so i started researching...then i found this site. i started having doubts but then i backtracked and thought to myself "wait a minute! these are humans writing these rebuttals" a human can destroy someone's life with just a sentence, a word. its the typical way of us...we are always trying to find ways to blame others for our mistakes. someone could co to ITT and make something big of themselves...your words could change their lives, just because u got screwed or didnt have enough courage to at least try and make something out of yourself.

in life we all have to take risks...and if attending this school is one of them, then i'm willing to take that risk. i could fail, i could suceed; the school could dissapoint me and it could open doors for me, u never really know what life could throw at you. all you have to do is believe in yourself and take a step forward.
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#66 Consumer Comment

Hold up wait a minute.. Let me put sum pimpin in it.. lol

AUTHOR: Thizzy88 - (U.S.A.)

LOL I find this ridiculously hilarious, I have gone to a community college and I am now attending ITT Tech, So I can compare them more in depth than anyone here from a students point of view. I went to Merced community college and it was unbearable it was crowded and they offered classes that weren't worth 4 credits. Not to mention you could never get one on one time with a teacher.

I felt like I was going in circles, never had help with financial aid paper work, never knew I had to do stuff until I was told, it was just like being the needle in the haystack. I couldn't take it any longer. I stopped going and when I got my license I enrolled in ITT, it was the best thing I did, I love how they help you with thing you need, I go to the one in Clovis CA. I cant speak for the other ITT's and I'm sure some of them don't care but I was lucky enough to live by one where they don't make you do online classes you have to have a GPA of 3.5 and up. They take it seriously here, and I thank them for that. I have learned a lot, I still don't know what I'm going to do with a degree in CEET I want to be a Computer Tech. The ITT in Clovis is like a little family the teachers are great, they give us real life stories of how it applies.

I'm not saying your lying, I just say it doesn't happen here in Clovis. I do agree on the cost, but it what you make it, you can pay 40,000 and not learn anything or you can pay 40,000 and apply yourself. Just because you're paying for it doesn't mean you're going to get the knowledge by sitting there.

That's my ITT experience, I've only been there a quarter, but I already know this is going to be the best investment. Its technology its changing everyday of course something's are going to be outdated its your responsibility to keep up. I gave a 4.0, the only thing that sucks is I have to drive an hour to get to school.
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#67 Consumer Comment

Hold up wait a minute.. Let me put sum pimpin in it.. lol

AUTHOR: Thizzy88 - (U.S.A.)

LOL I find this ridiculously hilarious, I have gone to a community college and I am now attending ITT Tech, So I can compare them more in depth than anyone here from a students point of view. I went to Merced community college and it was unbearable it was crowded and they offered classes that weren't worth 4 credits. Not to mention you could never get one on one time with a teacher.

I felt like I was going in circles, never had help with financial aid paper work, never knew I had to do stuff until I was told, it was just like being the needle in the haystack. I couldn't take it any longer. I stopped going and when I got my license I enrolled in ITT, it was the best thing I did, I love how they help you with thing you need, I go to the one in Clovis CA. I cant speak for the other ITT's and I'm sure some of them don't care but I was lucky enough to live by one where they don't make you do online classes you have to have a GPA of 3.5 and up. They take it seriously here, and I thank them for that. I have learned a lot, I still don't know what I'm going to do with a degree in CEET I want to be a Computer Tech. The ITT in Clovis is like a little family the teachers are great, they give us real life stories of how it applies.

I'm not saying your lying, I just say it doesn't happen here in Clovis. I do agree on the cost, but it what you make it, you can pay 40,000 and not learn anything or you can pay 40,000 and apply yourself. Just because you're paying for it doesn't mean you're going to get the knowledge by sitting there.

That's my ITT experience, I've only been there a quarter, but I already know this is going to be the best investment. Its technology its changing everyday of course something's are going to be outdated its your responsibility to keep up. I gave a 4.0, the only thing that sucks is I have to drive an hour to get to school.
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#68 Consumer Comment

Hold up wait a minute.. Let me put sum pimpin in it.. lol

AUTHOR: Thizzy88 - (U.S.A.)

LOL I find this ridiculously hilarious, I have gone to a community college and I am now attending ITT Tech, So I can compare them more in depth than anyone here from a students point of view. I went to Merced community college and it was unbearable it was crowded and they offered classes that weren't worth 4 credits. Not to mention you could never get one on one time with a teacher.

I felt like I was going in circles, never had help with financial aid paper work, never knew I had to do stuff until I was told, it was just like being the needle in the haystack. I couldn't take it any longer. I stopped going and when I got my license I enrolled in ITT, it was the best thing I did, I love how they help you with thing you need, I go to the one in Clovis CA. I cant speak for the other ITT's and I'm sure some of them don't care but I was lucky enough to live by one where they don't make you do online classes you have to have a GPA of 3.5 and up. They take it seriously here, and I thank them for that. I have learned a lot, I still don't know what I'm going to do with a degree in CEET I want to be a Computer Tech. The ITT in Clovis is like a little family the teachers are great, they give us real life stories of how it applies.

I'm not saying your lying, I just say it doesn't happen here in Clovis. I do agree on the cost, but it what you make it, you can pay 40,000 and not learn anything or you can pay 40,000 and apply yourself. Just because you're paying for it doesn't mean you're going to get the knowledge by sitting there.

That's my ITT experience, I've only been there a quarter, but I already know this is going to be the best investment. Its technology its changing everyday of course something's are going to be outdated its your responsibility to keep up. I gave a 4.0, the only thing that sucks is I have to drive an hour to get to school.
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#69 Consumer Comment

Hold up wait a minute.. Let me put sum pimpin in it.. lol

AUTHOR: Thizzy88 - (U.S.A.)

LOL I find this ridiculously hilarious, I have gone to a community college and I am now attending ITT Tech, So I can compare them more in depth than anyone here from a students point of view. I went to Merced community college and it was unbearable it was crowded and they offered classes that weren't worth 4 credits. Not to mention you could never get one on one time with a teacher.

I felt like I was going in circles, never had help with financial aid paper work, never knew I had to do stuff until I was told, it was just like being the needle in the haystack. I couldn't take it any longer. I stopped going and when I got my license I enrolled in ITT, it was the best thing I did, I love how they help you with thing you need, I go to the one in Clovis CA. I cant speak for the other ITT's and I'm sure some of them don't care but I was lucky enough to live by one where they don't make you do online classes you have to have a GPA of 3.5 and up. They take it seriously here, and I thank them for that. I have learned a lot, I still don't know what I'm going to do with a degree in CEET I want to be a Computer Tech. The ITT in Clovis is like a little family the teachers are great, they give us real life stories of how it applies.

I'm not saying your lying, I just say it doesn't happen here in Clovis. I do agree on the cost, but it what you make it, you can pay 40,000 and not learn anything or you can pay 40,000 and apply yourself. Just because you're paying for it doesn't mean you're going to get the knowledge by sitting there.

That's my ITT experience, I've only been there a quarter, but I already know this is going to be the best investment. Its technology its changing everyday of course something's are going to be outdated its your responsibility to keep up. I gave a 4.0, the only thing that sucks is I have to drive an hour to get to school.
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#70 Consumer Comment

A Helping Hand

AUTHOR: The Philosopher - (U.S.A.)

Look, Margaret. We all had our ups and downs. Face reality, literally. You can't trust stuff on websites or whats on paper... Only yourself.

You lack clarity. Being a 'know-it-all" will only give a hostile response.

I, for one, will not be a simpleton. Someone who accepts things for what they are, falls down and takes his/her sweet time getting back up, or just being egotistical. My brothers are always trying to catch me in a lie, but I have clarity to rebuttal them... and I do, on occasions, own up to my mistakes.

When people try to beat me in an argument, sparks will fly... but I never use an excuse when I lose and I just lose gracefully. When others seek advice or encouragment, I give them the best of my knowledge. Not only are they learning, I also learning from them and sharpening my mind.

My approach is to talk to the person who wants something from me. I can spot lyars a mile away, I can't tell over the phone, though. I check for gestures, eye movement, body language, twitching, pitch, tone, not posture but repetition in habit--either from their norm or them being told to do so.

ITT was one such place in Earth City, MO. It was obvious he was scamming me; he kept showing me the advertisements to pump me up. Such a tactic is worthwhile, they have pretty good avertisements. However... The recruiter from PoU helped me to see the truth in a greater perspective. We both explored the outer aspects of going to ITT. This man is a straight shooter; he never lied to me. I told him my plans, future, my horrible past (people who used me), and my quest for ultimate knowledge. He also knows about my stubornish, but hey, I only point point out the many aspects of truth and show people that they are only limiting themselves.

I am a Free Lance Book Writer. My goal when I'm in my thirties is to be the next Stephen King. However, I have a long way to go. I am willing to help those in need, be it moneywise or making them have stronger minds in their beliefs.

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#71 Consumer Comment

Psychological Break

AUTHOR: The Philosopher - (U.S.A.)

(To the last person posting)

You are so dead wrong. You have no facts, only your opinions. Plus, you have nothing to support your opinions. I smell a potential 'psychological break' coming on... for those of little faith in density. term: stupidity.

Everyone thinks what they see or hear is fact. "They are only your fears and doubts playing tricks on you."

Grand Canyon University sent me on a info errand for the so called truth about 'UoP'. "A bunch of whiners" I say, "these people can't even wipe their own noses. Pathetic. For every act, due recompense. They are worthless."

I digress though, anyway, GCU sent me here first and... I came to ITT next after looking at UoP... the stories were really scary, but I put up a tough front. I compeled myself to fight... against darkness, seeking the light. 25 recruiters called me in total. They were demons; liers. ITT was the 2nd worst of them all. But I thought I was getting my moneys worth going there.

However, GCU sent me to more sites to distract me, they called it finding the truth. I researched everything. The statistics make no sense and whatever lawsuits against certain colleges, it will happen. It's inevitable.

Okay now, on to my attack. JC's are the rip off, you think you're actually getting a good education, think again. Education is what you make of it. Plus, instructers don't care about you and don't want to know you. The whole economics boiling to a rise because of the war in Iraq. Many things are declining as prices GO UP. Gas prices are a huge thing. Traffic, crime, riots, less education happen at JC's. Knowledge is power, knowledge refines itself in learning. I've been to a JC before... I'm not impressed. They are not worth going to. Plus, it gives you a general education, "yawn". I homeschool myself faster than those teachers teach. They are worthless! Guess what, HOMESCHOOLING is FREE!

I need sustenace! I plan on going to a high level University and Harvard is my end point. "Spend alittle to get alittle."
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#72 Consumer Comment

RIP OFF SCHOOLS

AUTHOR: Margaret - (U.S.A.)

Remember what I said in my earlier thread? If you don't have a PUBLIC VO TECH school in your state you are better off in Community College for Career Training or a 4 year state college for your education. As for Kat, Career training is EDUCATION, just another form of it. If you are such a smart admissions person you would know that. And as for the last guy who said he was going to UOP, YOU BETTER GET OUT WHILE THE GETTING IS GOOD, and get yourself in a respectable state school. UOP is a rip off just like ITT, Kaplan, Westwood, Everest, NIT, Bradford Career School and any of these overpriced Mickey Mouse houses of education. If you want on line classes take them from your state or community college for reasonable rates and 99% capability of transferring to other colleges.
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#73 Consumer Comment

The man that never lost, but did

AUTHOR: The Philosopher - (U.S.A.)

On the 29th of January of this year, 2008, at 2:30 p.m., I had one of my brothers try to blow off my recruiter that I had scheduled for Financial Aid. I told my brother to say, Jason's not interested in ITT (over the phone). Get the h### away from him. But as you would have it, the recruiter wanted to talk to me. He asked me how it was going. I ignored him and immediately began my attack. I'm not going to ITT. There's too many dark corners and shady business going on.

My Recruiter tried to say something, but I cut to the chase The dark corners are that your school is very unpredictable. The shady business says that you all are out to steal people's money. He scoffed and said. Don't you think the police would have come and shut us down if that were the case. I followed up. People say you all pay them off.

He started getting really defensive, so I just told him I was shooting for an Ivy league school like Oxford, Stanford, Yale, or Harvard. Don't you think you're aiming pretty high? I yawned. Not really. Usually, I get bored when the class doesn't challenge me enough.

The guy would not take no for an answer, it was like talking to a child prodigy. He kept bringing up how great ITT was or how my sources were wrong, never mind he brought up statistics that showed that they were legit. I kept repeating his name over and over When he got a little quiet, I said. Give up, you lost. Guess what he said

Smug Recruiter- I never lose. That's something I never do. I don't lose. I sighed. Look, I'm sorry you feel that way. That's not my problem.

He told me in a mirthful manner, good luck in Harvard and told me he's always there if I change my mind. The call ended. I was quite elated and prepared myself for my date.

Currently now, I am enrolling at University of Pheonix, going for a 4.0 in each of my classes. I don't have a career in mind except whoever pays the most. My number one goal is to be a philanthropist (really rich person who gives out all their money to those in need). I want to start in Information Tech. of Networking, maybe work toward my Master's.

My word is my bond. I never lie. Many people have already let me down, I am the exception.
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Mr. Missouri

AUTHOR: Caster - (U.S.A.)

Dude, if you were to get any advice from this, I'd say go to a JC and take care of your general education requirements. After you do that, find a field you want to study at a State College or a "real" private college and go there for 2 years and earn your Bachelors Degree. Just because ITT Tech is a joke doesn't mean you shouldn't get an education. You will save some money going to a JC for 2 years while getting your General Education out of the way, and then you can transfer to another college with the units you earned from the JC. If you do it like this, you also will have 2 years to think about what you want to study and what type of career you would eventually like to get into.

Also, your brother is right. There are people with college degrees working at McDonalds, 7-11(like my cousin who graduated from ITT Tech), and many other places like that. Some are content, some are not content, but the obvious thing is, they all have jobs. If a person works at McDonalds and they are happy as could be, than I say more power to them.

And going back to one of your comments, I am a real person. If ITT Tech was more straight forward with their students and they didn't cost an arm and a leg to attend, then I may change my mind. But the simple fact is, the education they provide for $450 a unit is definitely not worth it. If they worked hard and became accredited so that there units would be accepted at State Colleges or "real" private colleges, then I also may change my mind. But that simply is not the case. YOU CAN NOT TRANSFER ANY UNITS FROM ITT TECH!

The only people who prosper at ITT Tech are the recruiters who get paid for signing people up and the stock owners. The students, unfortunately, get stuck literally paying the bills.
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#75 Consumer Comment

You have my sword, Castor

AUTHOR: The Philosopher - (U.S.A.)

I was writing a report but it was too long to keep me logged in.

I cast the shackles of ITT from me and I'm going to a Regional College.

My mind is at your disposal, and I plan to verbate about Kimberly, Doug, and G very heavily.

Thank You, Castor!

I will post facts against their 'so called' snide facts and make them look like delinquents coming out of Kindergarton.

They have ITT facts, and I have reality facts. Their facts are very much unreliable and based on ITT brochures that show trivia details.

They are still entranced by ITT... just like I was. Company's on the other hand... are misers, but I will post more on that later.

Get your Masters if you want to be somebody. ITT doesn't have that.
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#76 Consumer Comment

I'm an Idiot...

AUTHOR: The Philosopher - (U.S.A.)

My brother, Brian, whom I respect with a high degree, wants to slap me.

He told me not go to college at all and that maybe I should go to a Junior College. He says that there are many people with a college degree that work at McDonald's, and still don't get the job that will hire them.

He also told me to stop being an idiot and keeps telling I'm not wise cuz I say I am. I am so motavated, I have so many standards and I consistantly brood on my potenial actions.

Whatever smokescreen I have given to you, I apoligize. But the fact still stands that I am looking to better my future. I'm just confused.

I would do anything to help others, Its just... Reality is so cruel. Sometimes I generate Idealism with reality sometimes.

Again, I apoligize. However, I have nothing.
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#77 Consumer Comment

Honesty above all else

AUTHOR: The Philosopher - (U.S.A.)

"Better a zero than a Nero." -Winston Churchill *sigh* That can't be me, I won't let it.
I'm only thinking whats best for my future... that's all.

Say you're right, what then? Give up. Fight you... I can't. You did respond to my message and you shared your personal fears. I have fears too as well.

Say I'm wrong and I believe 'I' am wrong. I have a bright future, despite if I don't attend this Institute. Everyone to my knowledge, should have a few consolers so they don't initiate where their actions will lead them. I say this with upmost honesty, My brothers were horrified when they thought I wanted to go to ITT. At first glance, I thought I would be paying a tution of $450 - $500. Unfortunately for me, they pointed it out that it out that I would be paying that much per credit hour... and to further their dismay, they thought that each class held 3 credits. I told them it was 4. To see the shock... you would have to be there, it was of great anger. And I emphasis 'anger'. Then I got angry and started cursing ITT. But what can I say, I fell in love. How can you fight love.

If ITT is so wrong, how can it feel so right? I mean, my ideal is to be a specialist and a renowned Writer like 'Stephen King'. I reviewed all the records of successful graduates of ITT in the ITT Website. SO many stories... so many glorious victiories. Why can't I see myself on there one of these days; it's so tantalizing.

Maybe you are right, maybe G and Doug are wrong, but guess what. So are these so called 'whiners' who actually attended ITT and failed, they failed when they entered their week of enrollment without hesitating to think they were abnormaly wrong to listen to others, be they of criticism or positive. For me, I will not be patronized.

Solemn am I, my past is full of misery and one of tremendous pain. All I can ever do is look forward. I am very much skeptical of going to ITT, but how can I doubt myself. Well, I did. So I went to many sites with Online Colleges and sent my 'interests' to them. They responded within an hour ( 20 or more called ). Lies and diceit me. It was so bogus, however, the ones that did actually stand out was University of Pheonix and Grand Canyon University.

Okay, Here's the deal. Say you are right but you can't convince others to support your cause to destroy ITT technical Intitute. What you have posted of being an ex-recruiter won't do it. You come out looking like some sort of criminal looking to sabotage this establishment. My idea, is that you give helpful advice to help them stay away from this without actually or accidently slandering. Human beings are very judgemental, they make it so to lead you to fail. Me, I hate that, I trully do. Second, recommend your good listners and everyone else to a college that is not out for profit, that really helps, it does't 'brick wall' anyone or mislead them to 'run around with their heads cut off'. It will give reasurance that you are legit and actually willing to help.

I believe you. I do. AND I am a very reasonable person and I am willing to listen to the fullest extent.

Please believe in me... to make the right decision.

And not to be silly or offensive, I actually thought you weren't actually real. Like some person who just posted this to get attention.

Right now, I teach English and Creative Writing to those at Tokyopop (though I do not have a Title or Experience). It's a manga site, and its also for anime lovers as well. Currently now, I'm writing an Action novel that resembles FINAL FANTASY and DRAGON BALL Z. If you sign up, if you want... but I don't think you actually care about that stuff, but others might, check out my username "3TreeSlash".
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#78 Author of original report

It's funny....

AUTHOR: Caster - (U.S.A.)

Mr. Is that So, I'm sure "Bouwing" would love an educated person as yourself as an employee. I bet if you do some research, there are not many people with fake degrees from Itt Tech working at "Bouwing." I find it hard to believe that you are willingly going to Itt Tech, to get ripped off knowingly and you are still content with that. That's something else! Also, it's funny how you say Itt Tech has a Job DISplacement center as well. They probably should have a Job DISplacement center in place because once you hit the real world with your fake Itt Tech degree, you will be displaced.

Here's my point and I'll continue to say it: ITT TECH IS A RIP OFF! How else do I need to put it? It seems that credits are almost up $450 a credit hour right now and that's good for the stock holders of Itt Tech. But for the student, that should just raise a red flag. Also, Itt Tech is even coming out in their commercials and saying "units are not transferable." For $450 a credit hour, I should be able to take my units to any type of school out there and have them accepted. But that's not the case.

I don't reply much more to these messages because it's no fun any more. I see people continue to sign up for these crappy schools and they only have themselves to blame. Don't blame Itt Tech when you graduate and you can't find a job because no one accepts degrees from Itt Tech. Don't blame the recruiter when you're 2 years into a program and you realize it's not the field for you and you just wasted 2 years of tuition on nothing. BLAME YOURSELF! The writings are on the wall!
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#79 Consumer Comment

Is that So...

AUTHOR: The Philosopher - (U.S.A.)

Dear, Castor

However of what you know, and what you have said with conviction. It is a strong probability that I am going to ITT technical institute. I am very well aware of their so called scams, but you haven't mentioned about these so called 'dreams' in detail.

I think you're wrong, but I respect your opinions, facts, and ex-postion. However, I will convey why you are wrong, and expect a response cuz I'm meeting with a Financial Aid person on Jan. 29th of 2008.

First off, I do know that they are scamming me, that is to my understanding... but what they offer lets me come out ahead. Sure, I will owe 40,000 after grace period, but in increments. Also, this is education you can't find anywhere else; other colleges only teach information technology and I to get into Hands on Technology. I saw their equipment and it is state of the art. I've done my homework inside and out, theres nothing you can refute me on this despite you were a recruiter before.

Continuing, there is instructors online, they post homework to you AND you are to particapate to pass. There are no tests at all... unless you get your class schedule started and you decide you don't need this class cuz you know it already, you can take a test to show that you're able to advance, AND guess what, the credits are free. Let me tell you this, that's what I'm doing with all the classes! (sobering) In the 'hands on', I can't.

The cost now is $446 per credit hour and there are 4 credits per class, that's astronomicaly expensive. However, I care little of money in a huge sense, I value knowledge over everything else, and my wisdom lets me keep my 'Feet on the Ground'. Heck, the way I see, I'm headed toward the big bucks field and I'll be able to help other people who are worthy to get aid from me. 'Swine' and Drugees are definitely not worthy.

They have a Honors Scolarship if you get a 3.5 or higher in your classes. Job Displacement gives a job right away graduating and into Top notch companys like 'Bouwing', I already a recommendation now as I type this. And guess what, connections is what get you the job, not hard work... which I already do. Hard work gets you raises, not the job.

I have adopted thousands of philosophies from Plato, Socrates, and Markus whom is my favorite.

Yes, it is stupid to go to ITT tech, but...
for me. It will be me who wins. The field I'm going in starts at $50,000. Say no to that.

And another thing, Textbooks being watered down and not reliable in educational matters. That's 'Hear Say', you can't prove it. And even if you could, that wouldn't matter to me, its not the worlds priority to give me hand-outs. It's my ability to be resourceful and to use my arsenal of PHYCHOLOGY to get what I want... and I want friends who I can trust with my life. I've made too many mistakes with that, and I have learned from this. Pain is my learning process, it is my motavation so others won't have to.

If you have something to say, say it. I respect honesty. To everyone else, don't go to ITT Tech if you have no thoughts of granduer, you should be terrified. My e-mail is (((ROR REDACTED)))

I hope to hear from you. The easiest thing in life is to accept what others say and 'preach to the choir'. Arguing is the hardest, you make eniemies that way. However, I excel in this area. I always have an arguement for everything and it is plausible. (means reasonable and accomidating)

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Is that So...

AUTHOR: The Philosopher - (U.S.A.)

Dear, Castor

However of what you know, and what you have said with conviction. It is a strong probability that I am going to ITT technical institute. I am very well aware of their so called scams, but you haven't mentioned about these so called 'dreams' in detail.

I think you're wrong, but I respect your opinions, facts, and ex-postion. However, I will convey why you are wrong, and expect a response cuz I'm meeting with a Financial Aid person on Jan. 29th of 2008.

First off, I do know that they are scamming me, that is to my understanding... but what they offer lets me come out ahead. Sure, I will owe 40,000 after grace period, but in increments. Also, this is education you can't find anywhere else; other colleges only teach information technology and I to get into Hands on Technology. I saw their equipment and it is state of the art. I've done my homework inside and out, theres nothing you can refute me on this despite you were a recruiter before.

Continuing, there is instructors online, they post homework to you AND you are to particapate to pass. There are no tests at all... unless you get your class schedule started and you decide you don't need this class cuz you know it already, you can take a test to show that you're able to advance, AND guess what, the credits are free. Let me tell you this, that's what I'm doing with all the classes! (sobering) In the 'hands on', I can't.

The cost now is $446 per credit hour and there are 4 credits per class, that's astronomicaly expensive. However, I care little of money in a huge sense, I value knowledge over everything else, and my wisdom lets me keep my 'Feet on the Ground'. Heck, the way I see, I'm headed toward the big bucks field and I'll be able to help other people who are worthy to get aid from me. 'Swine' and Drugees are definitely not worthy.

They have a Honors Scolarship if you get a 3.5 or higher in your classes. Job Displacement gives a job right away graduating and into Top notch companys like 'Bouwing', I already a recommendation now as I type this. And guess what, connections is what get you the job, not hard work... which I already do. Hard work gets you raises, not the job.

I have adopted thousands of philosophies from Plato, Socrates, and Markus whom is my favorite.

Yes, it is stupid to go to ITT tech, but...
for me. It will be me who wins. The field I'm going in starts at $50,000. Say no to that.

And another thing, Textbooks being watered down and not reliable in educational matters. That's 'Hear Say', you can't prove it. And even if you could, that wouldn't matter to me, its not the worlds priority to give me hand-outs. It's my ability to be resourceful and to use my arsenal of PHYCHOLOGY to get what I want... and I want friends who I can trust with my life. I've made too many mistakes with that, and I have learned from this. Pain is my learning process, it is my motavation so others won't have to.

If you have something to say, say it. I respect honesty. To everyone else, don't go to ITT Tech if you have no thoughts of granduer, you should be terrified. My e-mail is (((ROR REDACTED)))

I hope to hear from you. The easiest thing in life is to accept what others say and 'preach to the choir'. Arguing is the hardest, you make eniemies that way. However, I excel in this area. I always have an arguement for everything and it is plausible. (means reasonable and accomidating)

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Is that So...

AUTHOR: The Philosopher - (U.S.A.)

Dear, Castor

However of what you know, and what you have said with conviction. It is a strong probability that I am going to ITT technical institute. I am very well aware of their so called scams, but you haven't mentioned about these so called 'dreams' in detail.

I think you're wrong, but I respect your opinions, facts, and ex-postion. However, I will convey why you are wrong, and expect a response cuz I'm meeting with a Financial Aid person on Jan. 29th of 2008.

First off, I do know that they are scamming me, that is to my understanding... but what they offer lets me come out ahead. Sure, I will owe 40,000 after grace period, but in increments. Also, this is education you can't find anywhere else; other colleges only teach information technology and I to get into Hands on Technology. I saw their equipment and it is state of the art. I've done my homework inside and out, theres nothing you can refute me on this despite you were a recruiter before.

Continuing, there is instructors online, they post homework to you AND you are to particapate to pass. There are no tests at all... unless you get your class schedule started and you decide you don't need this class cuz you know it already, you can take a test to show that you're able to advance, AND guess what, the credits are free. Let me tell you this, that's what I'm doing with all the classes! (sobering) In the 'hands on', I can't.

The cost now is $446 per credit hour and there are 4 credits per class, that's astronomicaly expensive. However, I care little of money in a huge sense, I value knowledge over everything else, and my wisdom lets me keep my 'Feet on the Ground'. Heck, the way I see, I'm headed toward the big bucks field and I'll be able to help other people who are worthy to get aid from me. 'Swine' and Drugees are definitely not worthy.

They have a Honors Scolarship if you get a 3.5 or higher in your classes. Job Displacement gives a job right away graduating and into Top notch companys like 'Bouwing', I already a recommendation now as I type this. And guess what, connections is what get you the job, not hard work... which I already do. Hard work gets you raises, not the job.

I have adopted thousands of philosophies from Plato, Socrates, and Markus whom is my favorite.

Yes, it is stupid to go to ITT tech, but...
for me. It will be me who wins. The field I'm going in starts at $50,000. Say no to that.

And another thing, Textbooks being watered down and not reliable in educational matters. That's 'Hear Say', you can't prove it. And even if you could, that wouldn't matter to me, its not the worlds priority to give me hand-outs. It's my ability to be resourceful and to use my arsenal of PHYCHOLOGY to get what I want... and I want friends who I can trust with my life. I've made too many mistakes with that, and I have learned from this. Pain is my learning process, it is my motavation so others won't have to.

If you have something to say, say it. I respect honesty. To everyone else, don't go to ITT Tech if you have no thoughts of granduer, you should be terrified. My e-mail is (((ROR REDACTED)))

I hope to hear from you. The easiest thing in life is to accept what others say and 'preach to the choir'. Arguing is the hardest, you make eniemies that way. However, I excel in this area. I always have an arguement for everything and it is plausible. (means reasonable and accomidating)

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Is that So...

AUTHOR: The Philosopher - (U.S.A.)

Dear, Castor

However of what you know, and what you have said with conviction. It is a strong probability that I am going to ITT technical institute. I am very well aware of their so called scams, but you haven't mentioned about these so called 'dreams' in detail.

I think you're wrong, but I respect your opinions, facts, and ex-postion. However, I will convey why you are wrong, and expect a response cuz I'm meeting with a Financial Aid person on Jan. 29th of 2008.

First off, I do know that they are scamming me, that is to my understanding... but what they offer lets me come out ahead. Sure, I will owe 40,000 after grace period, but in increments. Also, this is education you can't find anywhere else; other colleges only teach information technology and I to get into Hands on Technology. I saw their equipment and it is state of the art. I've done my homework inside and out, theres nothing you can refute me on this despite you were a recruiter before.

Continuing, there is instructors online, they post homework to you AND you are to particapate to pass. There are no tests at all... unless you get your class schedule started and you decide you don't need this class cuz you know it already, you can take a test to show that you're able to advance, AND guess what, the credits are free. Let me tell you this, that's what I'm doing with all the classes! (sobering) In the 'hands on', I can't.

The cost now is $446 per credit hour and there are 4 credits per class, that's astronomicaly expensive. However, I care little of money in a huge sense, I value knowledge over everything else, and my wisdom lets me keep my 'Feet on the Ground'. Heck, the way I see, I'm headed toward the big bucks field and I'll be able to help other people who are worthy to get aid from me. 'Swine' and Drugees are definitely not worthy.

They have a Honors Scolarship if you get a 3.5 or higher in your classes. Job Displacement gives a job right away graduating and into Top notch companys like 'Bouwing', I already a recommendation now as I type this. And guess what, connections is what get you the job, not hard work... which I already do. Hard work gets you raises, not the job.

I have adopted thousands of philosophies from Plato, Socrates, and Markus whom is my favorite.

Yes, it is stupid to go to ITT tech, but...
for me. It will be me who wins. The field I'm going in starts at $50,000. Say no to that.

And another thing, Textbooks being watered down and not reliable in educational matters. That's 'Hear Say', you can't prove it. And even if you could, that wouldn't matter to me, its not the worlds priority to give me hand-outs. It's my ability to be resourceful and to use my arsenal of PHYCHOLOGY to get what I want... and I want friends who I can trust with my life. I've made too many mistakes with that, and I have learned from this. Pain is my learning process, it is my motavation so others won't have to.

If you have something to say, say it. I respect honesty. To everyone else, don't go to ITT Tech if you have no thoughts of granduer, you should be terrified. My e-mail is (((ROR REDACTED)))

I hope to hear from you. The easiest thing in life is to accept what others say and 'preach to the choir'. Arguing is the hardest, you make eniemies that way. However, I excel in this area. I always have an arguement for everything and it is plausible. (means reasonable and accomidating)

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Some misleading information here...

AUTHOR: J.k. - (U.S.A.)

From a former student and graduate of ITT...

While I can understand your frustration to a certain degree, I do not agree with 100% of your complaints.

ITT is a for-profit school because they do not have the State in which they are located, funding them. And technically most colleges are for-profit in that they need to take money earned and put it back into the upkeep and expansion of the college or university, as well as meet pay increases and other expenditures.

ALso, it is the STUDENT's responsibility to get all the information credit transfers, criteria required for a credit to transfer, etc. I took both the CNS and ISS programs at ITT and I knew going in which of my credits from my prior Bachelor's degree could be applied towards earning these degrees.

They were up front and honest about what I had to have (2.0 or better grade in my college class credits frmo EWU).

Also, it is not ITT's responsibility to tell you whether or not their credits are transferrable to another academic institution. That is up to you to find out about and for the institution you want to transfer TO to give you that information.

If you blame anyone for not allowing ITT credits to transfer, then blame the schools who have decided not to accept them - not ITT.

As for books, they doo have errors. But while I attended ITT made a large attempt at taking care of these problems. They also cancelled the online system because there were too many hassles involved for the students which means they were hassles for the school as well, in the end.

Regarding the quality of the edication, I received a very competitive education compared to other schools. My teachers were experienced professionals who made a strong effort to correct information form the books that were in error, and they took things further than just what the book contained. Any good teacher does this.

If you end up with an instructor you do not think is doing the job, contact your school's Dean. That's what they are there for.

I had a dispute at one point about receiving a book late and so I appealed to the Dean (a PhD) and felt this went ignored. I them immediately took it upon myself as the customer to follow the student handbook policy and in writing make a formal complaint to the Dean, and the School Manager (the guy who deals with money issues). I also made it clear in my emails and docs that I would be contacting the ITT's corporate education officials and then on to the state education officials until it wa resolved in a satisfactory manner.

That got them to move. They were on it real fast after that. They asked why I was doing this and I stated I was using the ITT policies for complaints provided to me by the ITT official student handbook. They shut up real fast and listened to my issues.

Also, many universities, while providing hands-on programs, also teach a lot of theory - stuff out of books and not always on an actual computer.

College also means you are not a high school kid anymore. You are an ADULT student. As you will be expected to in professional life, you are expected to go further than the books and lectures merely take you. You have to be proactive for yourself and do all you can to learn. If you have a question, there are lots of people at schools who will point you in the right direction. But there aren't don't blame it on them, get off your butt and ask someone else.
Do the research.

Also, ITT now has student councils that act as a a way to better get across student concerns in all areas.

Compare the amount of ITT students total, with amount who posted here. I'll bet you are all way outnumbered by the ones who had a good experience and have jobs doing what they wanted.

I am one and I know tons of others. ITT is not perfect and things aggravated me too, but you have to take it upon yourself to ask the questions in everything in your life. Not just with ITT Tech.

By the way, my ITT degrees got me my first job in IT/IS out of school as the IT Manager of a nationwide communications company. They are growing fast and the outlook is excellent for growth.

j.k.
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#84 Consumer Comment

What about the good?

AUTHOR: Kat1124 - (U.S.A.)

I am a former Admissions Representative from another for-profit, post-secondary educational institution and a candidate for an Admissions Representative position with ITT Tech. For-profit schools get a lot of negative feedback for that reason, they're around to make money. Which is true, but they are also providing an invaluable service.

The product in which a student is buying into is not an education, it is career training. Individuals who are interested in career training are individuals who are not interested in going to a typical four year school or even a junior college. If this is your ultimate goal and you possess the requirements necessary to attend these schools, then the for-profit, career training institution is not for you. If you made the mistake of enrolling in one of these schools when you should be attending a four year school, you need to own up to that mistake.

I will be the first to admit that there are dishonest and greedy Admissions Representatives out there, but I am not one of them. I truly believe in what I do and I have seen first hand more students succeed with the educational decisions I have helped them with than not. I have seen hundreds of single mothers on welfare attend school, graduate and become self-sufficient and able to take care of their children without the help of government subsidized income with a career they are truly proud of.

Also, with for-profit schools, accreditation is very important. Accreditation means that a school has been approved by a United States government accrediting body and is able to offer its students federal financial student aid. In order to be accredited, there are a lot of very small details that need to be in place. It is a very tedious and time consuming process. The larger schools, state schools, universities, etc, are often passed along accreditation based on longevity and name alone. With these smaller, private, for-profit schools, every practice, every piece of paperwork, every mark on every wall, is gone through with a fine toothed comb in order to make sure the school is on the up and up. They have to be or else their doors will be closed in an instant. I have also worked for a large university, and trust me when I say that their business practices are a lot more unethical and shady than the for-profit school I worked for.

As for the teachers, any major university hires 'adjunct instructors.' Please research that term on your own. It has nothing to do with part-time and a lack of desire to pay benefits. Also, I went to a four year school in a bahelor's degree program and I have had at least a dozen professors who wrote the text book for the class I was taking. That text book was printed for the sole purpose of teaching at that particular school and would be useless elsewhere.

And for current students, if you are enrolled in a for-profit school, remember that you will get out of your education what you put into it. If you have a negative attitude and surround yourself with individuals who also have a negative attitude, you will not have great success. On the flip side, if you put some pride in your work and pride in yourself for taking the initiative to make a positive change in your life while your cousin and your best friend still sit at home eating Doritos and watching Judge Judy, you will have a great success. And to you, I wish you the best of luck even though luck doesn't have much to it. It's about hard work, hard work that you are willing to take on and overcome. Congratulations.

As you can tell, I am passionate about my work, and trust me, it's not for the money. If you are considering going to ITT Tech or any other career training institution but are wary of some of the things in the past, please contact me. I can give you five good reasons for every bad one you have heard.

Thank you,

K
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Allie.....

AUTHOR: Caster - (U.S.A.)

Allie,

I would be more than happy to discuss the unappropriate business practices of ITT Technical Institute. Only problem is, I can't read your email and I'm don't think I can post mine.

How would you contact me and how would I contact you with no email addresses?
(((ROR REDACTED))) if this site is allowing me to post my email)

It's sad that nothing major has been done to this so called "institution" of higher learning. It's very sad!

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#86 Consumer Comment

You said Email You but left no email :(

AUTHOR: Xxblackrain - (U.S.A.)

Yes, I am a current ITT student. I have been there for a year or better i'm in my 5th quarter and i'm getting ready to drop out. After researching how bad this school is i am appalled by the mistake i made in going there. Im going to restart, my education at a REAL college however i would like your email because i am considering suing ITT for false advertisement, or some likeness, and i believe you would be a good source of information as you worked there as a recruiter. You can post it back or simply send me an email (((ROR removed for security purposes)))

Thanks,
Allie

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Reguarding ITT technical Institue

AUTHOR: Hersheybar - (U.S.A.)

Well I almost completed my process for enrollement thank God I didn't. I just went to the BBB website and one of the Itt tech campus' received an F as a grade, and one campus received a satisfactory. So I clearly see this is not the school for me.... smh
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My negative experience with ITT Tech

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

Though I cannot speak for other programs, or other people for that matter, I can say I was not satisfied with the education I received in the IT:Multimedia program at ITT Tech and realized the administration is more interested in corporate image than that of creative freedom. If you are a serious artist looking to get into 3D animation do NOT attend this school.

It all started as while working on my portfolio and considering going back to school get into animation and possibly into game design. I had been looking at a real art school with a degree in cinematic animation that was out of state when I had received a junk mail advertisement from ITT tech. I decided to take a look at it and saw that they offered a degree in video game design.

Curious, I looked at the curriculum on the ITT Tech website and saw some classes that peaked my interest. This would mean I would not have to relocate. I filled out my contact information and within 30 minutes got a call from a recruiter.

After making an appointment and meeting with the recruiter I signed up. When she had told me about how much ITT Tech costs I almost walked out on her, but then she had mentioned that there was free continuing education for ITT Alumni at any campus. Considering the number of campuses in the U.S. I figured no matter where I got a job I could update my education if need be for no cost. Seemed like a good deal.

Along the way there were many things that my fellow students, as well as instructors, were very unsatisfied with. Textbooks where hacked up bits and pieces of other very highly rated books (leaving out a lot VERY important information and even referencing those pages), equipment was seriously substandard for the graphical work we were doing, and the instructors in most core classes lacked the total knowledge of the software we were using.

There were several occasions where we were learning right along with the instructors. Now, having the instructors learn new things does not bother me, but it seemed to happen a bit too often for my comfort. The time frame for these classes seemed rushed as well. Most classes only scratched the surface of the software, and only briefly mentioned any sort of theory to go along with what you are doing. There was one instructor who had an animation degree and attempted to teach it, but time and curriculum made it nearly impossible.

In the animation class only the first class was spent on theoretical concepts for animation and made you rely on the computer program to take care of it for you. This is a serious mistake. You need to know what the machine is doing and why in order to be a good animator.

I worked my way to the top of my class, Alpha Beta Kappa, highest honors/dean's list, and member of the NTHS (National Technical Honor Society). It came time do do my capstone project in my 8th quarter. I had written a script in my TV/Video production class, a perfect class for the teacher since he was working on his masters thesis for film, for for my group which received great praise from my teacher and peers.

I used the script and got an 'A' for my final project and for the class with no problems. Now I wanted to use the same script to do an animated version for my Capstone Project. This was a major undertaking since it was a 25 page script and I had a lot of work to do.

I decided to only do the first scene as I had done in the live action version since time was limited for the amount of work I had to do. Seeing the amount of work and the progress I was making my instructor suggested making a trailer to make life easier.

Thinking I could get further than I did, and working linearly I had decided against simply making a trailer. I didn't get finished but had a rough hand drawn animation for most of the first scene, nowhere close to completing as much as I wanted to.

Anyway, the day of the presentation came. Working feverishly up to the last moment and severely sleep deprived I went to show my project. I was to go last, being chosen to do so by my peers for the quality of my past work. I gave my speech explaining the premise of what I wanted to do and what I was actually showing.

Now the script was intended for mature audiences. One of my classmates had his young niece there and we had spoken earlier making sure she was not in the room when I gave my presentation, in addition there was a 30 sec disclaimer about the content, just harsh language though nothing religiously offensive. As the video played the chair for my program, a man that does work for sexually explicit adult video games mind you, comes rushing up to the front of the room and giving me the cut signal.

At first I thought that it was due to the time since it was a lot later than expected, and a snowstorm was coming in. I stopped the video and the dean concluded the presentations. The dean then approached my instructor and I and asked to speak with us privately.

We went to a different room where the dean began yelling at me for what I had presented. Being an artist, I stood up for my work and angrily responded. My instructor who had approved the script and every phase of my project cowered, now having his masters degree in film, and the chair for my program, a man whose work for the adult video game market I had seen on school grounds, did nothing to back me. The dean threatened to expel me right then and there, but set up a meeting on the following Monday, this all took place on a Saturday, so he would have time to cool down before making a decision.

The Monday came and I went into the meeting. The dean referred to a portion of the handbook referring to an offensive subject matter rule and how the school's image in the community was scarred by my presentation. The chair claimed my project had ruined the whole the whole capstone event and that no one would remember any of the other projects.

Now keep in mind that I had used this script in a course before and had submitted the live action version in the past only to receive an 'A' for my work by the same instructor that approved everything for my Capstone.

The dean decided to fail me for my Capstone class, not just the final presentation portion of the grade, the ENTIRE class. This decision would not allow me to graduate. If he had failed me for just the presentation, which is the action that should have been taken, I still would have passed the class. I still had the final phase of my project to turn in, which I am sure would have received a good grade. This would have left me with a minimum of a 66% for the class, which is still passing.

So after two years of hard work and being the top of my class I was stopped dead in my tracks. I had already picked up my graduation robe, cords and tassel representing my academic achievements, and invitations for graduation and now they hang in a closet never used. I refused to retake the class and canceled my enrollment for the bachelor degree in video game design.

The entire ITT experience now makes me sick to my stomach. To think of the dept I acquired all for nothing. In a way it is a blessing, I guess, the whole situation saved me an even bigger waste of money for the bachelor degree. I am now enrolled in the animation program at my local CC which is a much better program and is a lot cheaper.

Here is a good example of what the community I live in thinks of ITT Tech. I was at work and speaking to an artist in the community. He was an older gentleman and obviously well established. I told him I was going to school for computer animation. Excited for me he asked me where. I told him I was getting my multimedia degree from ITT. His face went from smiles to a blank, almost disgusted, look and he just turned and walked away, not saying a word.

I can not tell you how horrible this felt and was a real insight to what a mistake I had made in choosing to go to ITT.
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#89 Consumer Comment

Student who has been at both ends of the scale.

AUTHOR: Kyle - (U.S.A.)

I live in Dayton OH, and I have been attending ITT for 3 years now, and am finishing up my second degree in CNS (first was in SAP). In my experience, ITT is a worthwhile school if you want to get your foot in the door of the IT world; but it is severly over-priced (I am fortunate enough to have wealthy parents who pay this for me). I would really compare ITT with a joint vocational school you could attend in High School. You learn the knowledge needed to being entry level.

I have went to the School in Dayton as well as the Norwood Campus, which I am at now. Dayton was an exceptional school with VERY intellegent instructors with a lot of experience. But then Corporate decided that they had to get rid of 5 of their full time teachers, thus screwing me and many other people out of a quality education. They replaced these guys with adjuncts who suck at teaching. I then came to Norwood hoping for better instruction. I was wrong. They are worse.

My main point is, they had great instructors who knew there stuff, but got screwed by corporate. I am in my last quarter, and I just don't care anymore. Corporate gets rid of quality teachers for the almighty dollar.

I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS SCHOOL TO ANYONE ANYMORE. A community college will give you the exact same education for much less money.
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#90 Consumer Suggestion

TAKE HEED TO THIS ADVICE

AUTHOR: Margaret - (U.S.A.)

I was raised in Louisiana and have resided in Texas for the last 16 years. I attended college and Vo Tech Education in both states. although I am unfamiliar with the other 48 states educational systems, let me explain something about the difference in public Vo -Tech Education and a private career technical school.
Louisiana is a notoriously poor state, and most work there consists of the blue collar type of employment.

Louisiana has public Vocational and Technical schools there because community college was pretty much non exisitant there until the mid 90's Some examples of this are the following schools I am familiar with. TH HArris Vo Tech, Opelousas, Louisiana and Lafayette Regional Technical, in Lafayette, Louisiana.

Lets say a person is interested in taking something like Medical/Nursing/Pharmacy Assistant, Aircraft Mechanic, NDT, Business Office/Secretarial they pay a small tuition, say 200.00 for a quarter and pay for all their own books, and supplies. Student aid is offered.
All the instructors are definately cerfified.

The schools are run by the state public education system so they know that they cannot charge a person 25,000 to become a Nurse Assistant whose average wages are 9.00 an hour. My ex husband attened the public vo tech school in LAfayette, Louisiana and took Electronics Technology. When all was said and done he had paid approx. total 3,000 in tuition and another 1000 in books and supplies, and places like ITT Tech are charging people 50,000. Its a BIG SCAM! MY ex got an excellent post secondary education and even the opportunity to work for NASA.

I do not know if other states have public vo tech education, however if a person wants to major in Criminal Justice go to either a 2 or 4 year college because if one wants to become a police officer, they will need at least 60 credit hours from either a 2 0r 4 year state college, not a private career school. Now if a person wants to take something like Sound & Recording Engineer they can attend a specialty private career school because most 2 year colleges or public vo tech schools will not offer this. But even with that said, still investigate the school and do your homework and stay on top of things and then you won't get a big SCAM!!

If people would just investigate their state's employment web pages, average wages are stated for various careers and those wages are not some uninformed sales recruiter making a bogus sales pitch saying someone can earn 15.00 an hour as a nurse assistant.

I have attended community college (Texas) 4 year college (Louisiana) and a for profit career school on line, however those studies were more about personal enrichment and additional knowledgement more than transferring credit courses.

When I transferred my college credit from Louisiana I had 25 credit hours, Texas only accepted 15 and I had to take a CLEP test to test out of the rest of my English courses. If every future student in the US would accept this advice, they would all be much better off and for profit careeer schools with heavy handed sales tactics would be curbed down to very specialty schools and education for more comman careers would shift exclusively to community colleges and public vo tech schools if offered in their state.
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#91 Consumer Suggestion

TAKE HEED TO THIS ADVICE

AUTHOR: Margaret - (U.S.A.)

I was raised in Louisiana and have resided in Texas for the last 16 years. I attended college and Vo Tech Education in both states. although I am unfamiliar with the other 48 states educational systems, let me explain something about the difference in public Vo -Tech Education and a private career technical school.
Louisiana is a notoriously poor state, and most work there consists of the blue collar type of employment.

Louisiana has public Vocational and Technical schools there because community college was pretty much non exisitant there until the mid 90's Some examples of this are the following schools I am familiar with. TH HArris Vo Tech, Opelousas, Louisiana and Lafayette Regional Technical, in Lafayette, Louisiana.

Lets say a person is interested in taking something like Medical/Nursing/Pharmacy Assistant, Aircraft Mechanic, NDT, Business Office/Secretarial they pay a small tuition, say 200.00 for a quarter and pay for all their own books, and supplies. Student aid is offered.
All the instructors are definately cerfified.

The schools are run by the state public education system so they know that they cannot charge a person 25,000 to become a Nurse Assistant whose average wages are 9.00 an hour. My ex husband attened the public vo tech school in LAfayette, Louisiana and took Electronics Technology. When all was said and done he had paid approx. total 3,000 in tuition and another 1000 in books and supplies, and places like ITT Tech are charging people 50,000. Its a BIG SCAM! MY ex got an excellent post secondary education and even the opportunity to work for NASA.

I do not know if other states have public vo tech education, however if a person wants to major in Criminal Justice go to either a 2 or 4 year college because if one wants to become a police officer, they will need at least 60 credit hours from either a 2 0r 4 year state college, not a private career school. Now if a person wants to take something like Sound & Recording Engineer they can attend a specialty private career school because most 2 year colleges or public vo tech schools will not offer this. But even with that said, still investigate the school and do your homework and stay on top of things and then you won't get a big SCAM!!

If people would just investigate their state's employment web pages, average wages are stated for various careers and those wages are not some uninformed sales recruiter making a bogus sales pitch saying someone can earn 15.00 an hour as a nurse assistant.

I have attended community college (Texas) 4 year college (Louisiana) and a for profit career school on line, however those studies were more about personal enrichment and additional knowledgement more than transferring credit courses.

When I transferred my college credit from Louisiana I had 25 credit hours, Texas only accepted 15 and I had to take a CLEP test to test out of the rest of my English courses. If every future student in the US would accept this advice, they would all be much better off and for profit careeer schools with heavy handed sales tactics would be curbed down to very specialty schools and education for more comman careers would shift exclusively to community colleges and public vo tech schools if offered in their state.
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#92 Consumer Suggestion

TAKE HEED TO THIS ADVICE

AUTHOR: Margaret - (U.S.A.)

I was raised in Louisiana and have resided in Texas for the last 16 years. I attended college and Vo Tech Education in both states. although I am unfamiliar with the other 48 states educational systems, let me explain something about the difference in public Vo -Tech Education and a private career technical school.
Louisiana is a notoriously poor state, and most work there consists of the blue collar type of employment.

Louisiana has public Vocational and Technical schools there because community college was pretty much non exisitant there until the mid 90's Some examples of this are the following schools I am familiar with. TH HArris Vo Tech, Opelousas, Louisiana and Lafayette Regional Technical, in Lafayette, Louisiana.

Lets say a person is interested in taking something like Medical/Nursing/Pharmacy Assistant, Aircraft Mechanic, NDT, Business Office/Secretarial they pay a small tuition, say 200.00 for a quarter and pay for all their own books, and supplies. Student aid is offered.
All the instructors are definately cerfified.

The schools are run by the state public education system so they know that they cannot charge a person 25,000 to become a Nurse Assistant whose average wages are 9.00 an hour. My ex husband attened the public vo tech school in LAfayette, Louisiana and took Electronics Technology. When all was said and done he had paid approx. total 3,000 in tuition and another 1000 in books and supplies, and places like ITT Tech are charging people 50,000. Its a BIG SCAM! MY ex got an excellent post secondary education and even the opportunity to work for NASA.

I do not know if other states have public vo tech education, however if a person wants to major in Criminal Justice go to either a 2 or 4 year college because if one wants to become a police officer, they will need at least 60 credit hours from either a 2 0r 4 year state college, not a private career school. Now if a person wants to take something like Sound & Recording Engineer they can attend a specialty private career school because most 2 year colleges or public vo tech schools will not offer this. But even with that said, still investigate the school and do your homework and stay on top of things and then you won't get a big SCAM!!

If people would just investigate their state's employment web pages, average wages are stated for various careers and those wages are not some uninformed sales recruiter making a bogus sales pitch saying someone can earn 15.00 an hour as a nurse assistant.

I have attended community college (Texas) 4 year college (Louisiana) and a for profit career school on line, however those studies were more about personal enrichment and additional knowledgement more than transferring credit courses.

When I transferred my college credit from Louisiana I had 25 credit hours, Texas only accepted 15 and I had to take a CLEP test to test out of the rest of my English courses. If every future student in the US would accept this advice, they would all be much better off and for profit careeer schools with heavy handed sales tactics would be curbed down to very specialty schools and education for more comman careers would shift exclusively to community colleges and public vo tech schools if offered in their state.
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#93 Consumer Suggestion

TAKE HEED TO THIS ADVICE

AUTHOR: Margaret - (U.S.A.)

I was raised in Louisiana and have resided in Texas for the last 16 years. I attended college and Vo Tech Education in both states. although I am unfamiliar with the other 48 states educational systems, let me explain something about the difference in public Vo -Tech Education and a private career technical school.
Louisiana is a notoriously poor state, and most work there consists of the blue collar type of employment.

Louisiana has public Vocational and Technical schools there because community college was pretty much non exisitant there until the mid 90's Some examples of this are the following schools I am familiar with. TH HArris Vo Tech, Opelousas, Louisiana and Lafayette Regional Technical, in Lafayette, Louisiana.

Lets say a person is interested in taking something like Medical/Nursing/Pharmacy Assistant, Aircraft Mechanic, NDT, Business Office/Secretarial they pay a small tuition, say 200.00 for a quarter and pay for all their own books, and supplies. Student aid is offered.
All the instructors are definately cerfified.

The schools are run by the state public education system so they know that they cannot charge a person 25,000 to become a Nurse Assistant whose average wages are 9.00 an hour. My ex husband attened the public vo tech school in LAfayette, Louisiana and took Electronics Technology. When all was said and done he had paid approx. total 3,000 in tuition and another 1000 in books and supplies, and places like ITT Tech are charging people 50,000. Its a BIG SCAM! MY ex got an excellent post secondary education and even the opportunity to work for NASA.

I do not know if other states have public vo tech education, however if a person wants to major in Criminal Justice go to either a 2 or 4 year college because if one wants to become a police officer, they will need at least 60 credit hours from either a 2 0r 4 year state college, not a private career school. Now if a person wants to take something like Sound & Recording Engineer they can attend a specialty private career school because most 2 year colleges or public vo tech schools will not offer this. But even with that said, still investigate the school and do your homework and stay on top of things and then you won't get a big SCAM!!

If people would just investigate their state's employment web pages, average wages are stated for various careers and those wages are not some uninformed sales recruiter making a bogus sales pitch saying someone can earn 15.00 an hour as a nurse assistant.

I have attended community college (Texas) 4 year college (Louisiana) and a for profit career school on line, however those studies were more about personal enrichment and additional knowledgement more than transferring credit courses.

When I transferred my college credit from Louisiana I had 25 credit hours, Texas only accepted 15 and I had to take a CLEP test to test out of the rest of my English courses. If every future student in the US would accept this advice, they would all be much better off and for profit careeer schools with heavy handed sales tactics would be curbed down to very specialty schools and education for more comman careers would shift exclusively to community colleges and public vo tech schools if offered in their state.
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Hey G

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

I don't have to look up. The advertisement shows fony graduates. I went through admissions and by hearing others its all bullcrap.

I am a business entrepeneur in vending and have a partner in printing which is big bucks. You won't see that money that you put out in years. ANd you wanna know something there are no jobs out there with requirements that these schools have to meet. I can go to anyone and the same shpeal they will pull on me. The schools will go down and when they do they will have to answer to the public why they ripoff people in the first place.
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#95 Consumer Comment

Grad of ITT Tech

AUTHOR: Liz - (U.S.A.)

I graduated from ITT Tech in 2003 located in Troy Michigan. I was also told all the same things and passed the exam with flying colors. I was told I had the best score than any that day. I passed the math part when I know I should have failed. Most of my classes were a joke. One instructor would even retaliate against my class if we went to anyone else in the school to complain.

The school is supposed to have hands-on experience. My class and I worked hard on drawing up plans for a gazebo contest for a gazebo to go in the back of the school. My class won. The school was going to allow us to participate in the building of it with a plaque placed next to it with our names on it. It never happened, of course. Where did the money go for that? The final project called Capstone Project is also a joke.

I also feel bad for everyone that is going to ITT Tech who will find out that when they cannot find a job and it's time to start paying back their loans Sallie Mae will be calling them 10 or 12 times a day with threats of ruining your credit and taking you to court for repayment. Anyone notice that that is all ITT Tech deals with is Sallie Mae? Sallie Mae is also a scam.
Good luck everyone.
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Steve in "Phila" (and other readers)

AUTHOR: G - (U.S.A.)

To all those who have read this lengthy dialogue in full:

Look through the postings above.....review what information on here is supported with FACTS (including where to find the information) or various obscure "opinions" from those who obviously appear disgruntle.

If you have doubts about ITT's advertising (or any other for-profit school) take a look at their annual earnings reports, call their corporate offices (or closest location) and request graudate statistics, employment information by field of study, you name it. If a school is unable to provide that information; question your decision. If a school is unwilling to provide it to you; question your decision. (and for the record there is not a single public school who regularly publishes these statistics...anyone else find this strange?)

If anything, I encourage you to think for yourself and not be swayed by a miniority of opinions on a blog who have simply come to post their frustrations because of their own inabilities to 1. hit performance goals for a company they worked for; 2. were a student who either didn't do their research, or did not perform well in class and 3. if they were a student, most likely still have not completed their degree as they are buying into the belief that they do not need a degree in order to have the career they want, the job security they want and the earning potential they want. Years, and years of government, state and independent statistics will dispute that.

As for Caster, Steve, etc.....if you're going to post a response be sure it is well thought out and there are at least attempts to put constructive sentences together with supporting facts and not simply your opinions. If you want to "support a debate" you must back it up and cite your sources. (Any college student who has written research papers understands this; or maybe I am assuming something that has not occurred?) Otherwise you instantly lose credibility.

G - Orchard Heights, KY
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Steve in "Phila" (and other readers)

AUTHOR: G - (U.S.A.)

To all those who have read this lengthy dialogue in full:

Look through the postings above.....review what information on here is supported with FACTS (including where to find the information) or various obscure "opinions" from those who obviously appear disgruntle.

If you have doubts about ITT's advertising (or any other for-profit school) take a look at their annual earnings reports, call their corporate offices (or closest location) and request graudate statistics, employment information by field of study, you name it. If a school is unable to provide that information; question your decision. If a school is unwilling to provide it to you; question your decision. (and for the record there is not a single public school who regularly publishes these statistics...anyone else find this strange?)

If anything, I encourage you to think for yourself and not be swayed by a miniority of opinions on a blog who have simply come to post their frustrations because of their own inabilities to 1. hit performance goals for a company they worked for; 2. were a student who either didn't do their research, or did not perform well in class and 3. if they were a student, most likely still have not completed their degree as they are buying into the belief that they do not need a degree in order to have the career they want, the job security they want and the earning potential they want. Years, and years of government, state and independent statistics will dispute that.

As for Caster, Steve, etc.....if you're going to post a response be sure it is well thought out and there are at least attempts to put constructive sentences together with supporting facts and not simply your opinions. If you want to "support a debate" you must back it up and cite your sources. (Any college student who has written research papers understands this; or maybe I am assuming something that has not occurred?) Otherwise you instantly lose credibility.

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#98 Consumer Comment

Steve in "Phila" (and other readers)

AUTHOR: G - (U.S.A.)

To all those who have read this lengthy dialogue in full:

Look through the postings above.....review what information on here is supported with FACTS (including where to find the information) or various obscure "opinions" from those who obviously appear disgruntle.

If you have doubts about ITT's advertising (or any other for-profit school) take a look at their annual earnings reports, call their corporate offices (or closest location) and request graudate statistics, employment information by field of study, you name it. If a school is unable to provide that information; question your decision. If a school is unwilling to provide it to you; question your decision. (and for the record there is not a single public school who regularly publishes these statistics...anyone else find this strange?)

If anything, I encourage you to think for yourself and not be swayed by a miniority of opinions on a blog who have simply come to post their frustrations because of their own inabilities to 1. hit performance goals for a company they worked for; 2. were a student who either didn't do their research, or did not perform well in class and 3. if they were a student, most likely still have not completed their degree as they are buying into the belief that they do not need a degree in order to have the career they want, the job security they want and the earning potential they want. Years, and years of government, state and independent statistics will dispute that.

As for Caster, Steve, etc.....if you're going to post a response be sure it is well thought out and there are at least attempts to put constructive sentences together with supporting facts and not simply your opinions. If you want to "support a debate" you must back it up and cite your sources. (Any college student who has written research papers understands this; or maybe I am assuming something that has not occurred?) Otherwise you instantly lose credibility.

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#99 Consumer Comment

Steve in "Phila" (and other readers)

AUTHOR: G - (U.S.A.)

To all those who have read this lengthy dialogue in full:

Look through the postings above.....review what information on here is supported with FACTS (including where to find the information) or various obscure "opinions" from those who obviously appear disgruntle.

If you have doubts about ITT's advertising (or any other for-profit school) take a look at their annual earnings reports, call their corporate offices (or closest location) and request graudate statistics, employment information by field of study, you name it. If a school is unable to provide that information; question your decision. If a school is unwilling to provide it to you; question your decision. (and for the record there is not a single public school who regularly publishes these statistics...anyone else find this strange?)

If anything, I encourage you to think for yourself and not be swayed by a miniority of opinions on a blog who have simply come to post their frustrations because of their own inabilities to 1. hit performance goals for a company they worked for; 2. were a student who either didn't do their research, or did not perform well in class and 3. if they were a student, most likely still have not completed their degree as they are buying into the belief that they do not need a degree in order to have the career they want, the job security they want and the earning potential they want. Years, and years of government, state and independent statistics will dispute that.

As for Caster, Steve, etc.....if you're going to post a response be sure it is well thought out and there are at least attempts to put constructive sentences together with supporting facts and not simply your opinions. If you want to "support a debate" you must back it up and cite your sources. (Any college student who has written research papers understands this; or maybe I am assuming something that has not occurred?) Otherwise you instantly lose credibility.

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#100 Consumer Comment

Why do you waste your time

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

For Doug and G

DOug:

Why do you waste your time?

The school is a fraud and dupes people into attending.

The school is the biggest scam ever with those phony ads on tv. It takes at least 3 yrs to get unless you really know what you want.

Your a loser b/c you probably don't have much success either.

And to the other guy you have a problem.
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#101 Consumer Comment

Read facts, not disgruntle insight

AUTHOR: G - (U.S.A.)

Caster, and other "nay-sayers",

Let me start off by simply stating my background has been as a business owner, in education, and also consulting. Facts should speak for themselves if you are investigating ITT (or any school for that fact). Do not base your decision on the "opinions" of others who are noticeably disgruntle due to either not hitting performance goals (Caster?), or other postings on here who obviously lack a full educated background to compose intelligent postings with proper grammar, spelling, and facts vs. opinions. The only postings that read with intelligence are those who were posted by the graduates of this school being criticized.

Let's talk about facts (itt-tech.edu and ittesi.com).

1. ITT has been around since 1969 and has over 140,000 graduates.

2. ITT is located in 30+ states with over 85 campuses. Why is this a benefit? Think of the number of employer's in a number of communities where their graduates (well respected graduates, some of which I have personally hired as well) work for many companies. They range from smaller companies to the Intel's of the world.

3. Part of their degree program also includes preparing their soon to be graduates through interviewing technique's, how to prepare resumes, etc. Most "public" schools (and even private schools) do not take this on. (School is supposed to PREPARE people to move forward in their careers; not simply provide them a degree.)

4. Alumni have access to a Career Services Department at any local ITT campus to utilize to help get their foot in the door at various companies in the area.

5. Many of the students who inquiry with ITT are students who have been told time and time again "you won't amount to anything". Yet the role of the admissions department is to help the student regain the faith in themselves and see that they CAN pursue their goals.

6. I find it interesting NONE of the negative postings on this "blog" come from ITT graduates. So let's take the total % of those with negative postings on here compared to ITT graduates to see what % this gives us... maybe one of the nay-sayers who is a "math wiz" can assist me with a simple calculation. Out of 140,000 graduates and all of 5-10 are "complaining" (or rather whining) that comes out to what %? Let me help you; .0000357% - .0000714% Yup, a fraction of 1%!

7. Education is what you make of it. Ask most employers and you will find this out. Unless you were one of the few fortunate ones to attend Harvard, Yale, Cornell, Stanford, Brown, etc. the school where you earn your degree does not matter. Employer's will look at the fact you DO have your degree, that you have work experience to back it up and the fact you followed through on a goal you started on. It also allows employer's to see you have obtained structured training along the way as well and you are not relying only on "self training." WHERE you go to school comes down to what school will best prepare you for the "outside world" and provides you the greatest amount of benefits to succeed in your future career(s).

8. As a member of an advisory council for one of the ITT Campuses I can also attest to the fact very few schools have local business owners, business leaders, community leaders, on a "council" to provide feedback on lab structure or curriculum. This benefits every single future graduate of ITT as these community members may very well be some of their future hiring managers. It also attests to ITT for having the faith, and desire for feedback, from those outside their own organization.

Caster is right about one thing, ITT is a for-profit school. They are interested in making a profit. Then again ALL organizations (Penn St., Univ. of Michigan, Georgia Tech, Univ. of Nebraska) are in it to make a profit.

However, these "public" schools will reinvest their profits to grow research, expand, pay for football stadiums, pay for coaching salaries, you name it! If they DON'T make a "profit" (or land in the "black") they have to cut programs, staff, etc. For-profit educator's have a better control over their day to day operations, expansion of programs, and costs than public schools.

Do some research and you'll find out the average IN-STATE tuition cost for public schools (not including community colleges or JC's) will run about $15,000+ and have an average tuition increase of 18-24% annually vs. 4-7% most "for-profits" average.

For profit schools are more focused on their customer (both the student and the future employers) than public schools are. For profit schools provide their students with feedback surveys and many times have the annual overall ratings as part of the compensation structure for their faculty.

As a "for-profit" educator the best way to grow their business is through referrals so why wouldn't they want to provide an excellent education and fulfill what they say they will and ensure employer's are being provided with well trained, well prepared, and motivated employees to drive their company mission? Companies do not last for nearly 40 years (as ITT has) in a competitive business world if they are not doing things the right way.

Will they please everyone? No...name a company who can. The fact is the best of the best companies will have the "Casters" of the world to criticize (Nike, Intel, Microsoft, IBM, General Motors, Wal-Mart, etc.) Determine for YOURSELF through the tone of the postings whether or not someone is basing their information off of facts, or uneducated, and unfounded, personal assumptions.

Here's a parting fact for all of the reader's:
(from the Dept. of Education)
* 54% of American's who are attending college are 25 or older.
* Of that group 41% are attending for-profit educator's (up from 33% only 5 years ago).
* 87% of employers surveyed indicated a graduate from a for-profit school was just as likely, or more so in many cases because of their combined work experience, to be hired when looking at "like" candidates who have a "traditional" degree from a "traditional" post-secondary school.

You make the call... facts, or fiction?
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#102 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

I agree with Caster 500%. I went through admissions and seen the contract. The guy next to me which we were both taking that test wasn't too thrilled about taking it and at the time I was trying to be helpful to him on that so maybe he had that in mind is this really worth it.

I had 8 people tell me you'll get some experience but no jobs. I was told not to do it b/c these schools the way they establish themselves. If people just don't go then the school can't make money at all. They are brainwashed.

There was another fellow who was like I need the education and something. When someone is from the ghetto and the way they talk like they will get a "real" education. I looked at his and I was like , Oh plz and whatever dude. He said good luck to me and I would have told him to his face there is no luck.
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#103 Consumer Comment

ITT is the the BEST college I have attended

AUTHOR: Doug - (U.S.A.)

Alright I definitely agree that there are a lot of whinners on here.
I mean personally I love ITT it has been the college I have seen

Everytime I walk into the building I have the career services lady yellinig CEET students see me then she hands you anywhere from 2 to 3 job leadsyou sign your name she sends them a resume and sets you up with an interview easy as that
the career services people are always have jobs they are trying to get people into

I dont know how it is at other schools but our career services people have to place at least 80% of our graduates in jobs or they can get a paycut and/or fired....sounds like good motivation for them to get you a job and this isnt just any job it is a job in your field

now lets talk about instructors...there are good ones and there are bad ones but that happens at any college, but from what I have seen a lot of them are real professionals that have worked in the field and many of them are still working in the field and only teach at ITT as a second job to make extra money

so they know what they are doing and what the field is like

and then you are all complaining about the begining classes---do you realize that you can test out of all but 2 ITT classes? and yes this includes problem solving and PC tech
:O

I mean seriously I have attended one quarter at ITT-Tech and applied myself I study in my spare time for the classes I am not currently attending and test out of them so in the 12 weeks I have been there I am not a 6 quarter student

and yes the credits do transfer I already checked with a local college (Ferris State in michigan) and they accept almost all of ITT credits in fact that is where I am picking up my bachelors in CNS this is a very hardware oriented degree and all my CEET credits are transfering torward it

now lets look at course work
I was an Electronics Technician on Nuclear Reactors in the Navy
This is a 1.5 year school
covers a lot of stuff
and I did all the troubleshooting on the electronic systems on the reactor

and there is some stuff in the ITT course work that I have not covered

and if you ask me that is really good for an associate degree program

so basically
you all need to stop bashing ITT
they are a good school
that works hard to make sure you suceed

I mean I have taken so many surveys on how to improve ITT that it isnt funny
I am actually tired of them
but then I didnt like one of my books I complained like hell about it and talked to the director
the next quarter they were using a different book
so obviously they do care that the student suceeds

I personally think that this Castor guy got fired and now want to try and hurt ITT because he is pissed

I mean seriously he must have liked the job a bit to make such a huge fuss trying to get people to hate them

I mean seriously if it was so bad why wasnt he doing this report while he was still employed?

And then again why is he so pissed now that he isnt employed

I think it is because he got fired from a job that he liked and is all bitter about it
I mean I dont get mad when i lose a job I hate


well anyways I have to go prepare for my interview with Smiths Aerospace
which by the way starts at $20/hr
and I got the interview from the ITT career service people
and i am not even finished with my degree

the only people I have ever known that have failed to get a good paying job and didnt suceed after attending ITT were those people that were not motivated and expected jobs and promotions to just fall in their laps
that doesnt happen kids
the truth of the matter is that you have to consistently work for those
promotions especially
you should continue your education beyond that little 2 year associate you recieved at ITT
you are right that degree is to just get you in the door
that is what an associate is
now once you have your foot in the door
use that opprotunity to go back to school (most good employers offer tuition assistance)
get your bachelors
then when that is done consider possibly picking up a degree in a related field
for example if you are CSN get your ISA or IT
then possible pick up an associates in CEET
it isnt gonna hurt you
and it is going to make you look a lot better when promotion time comes around


anyways I have had enough with this forum
you can listen to me
or you can listen to a lot of people that are bitching and moaning
by the way you forget that even though it is $400 something a untit
that includes books, software, I got tools, a harddrive,
I mean shit go to a regular college and buy all the books and software
you may be supprised
I did the math and ITT was only like $40 more expensive than the local community college

well anyways
have fun do what you want
and dont believe everything you hear
do some research look at the numbers
figure it out for yourself
and for god sakes dont listen to a bunch of complainers on some forum

go get the info for yourself
check it out
be informed
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#104 Consumer Comment

Thanks for the heads up

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I really appreciate everyone who has taken the time to write up their reviews. I am about 26 units shy of my B.S. degree in Criminal Justice at a State University and I was going to transfer to ITT Tech to finish my remaining units, but now that I have read all of your reviews, I have decided to stay at the state university. Thanks!!!!
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#105 Consumer Comment

I Beg to Differ

AUTHOR: Kimberly - (U.S.A.)

As a student of ITT Tech for nine weeks shy of four years, I beg to differ. My perspective also encompasses the experiences of attending other universities, before I began and completed my Associates degree program in 2003 and the Bachelors degree program I will complete this June, 2006, in ISS. EVERY college has its' up and downs and EVERY college has its' whiners and complainers. I have experienced, for the most part, a very dedicated, understanding, patient, motivated, skillful, and all-around great team of people at the Jacksonville, Florida campus of ITT and I have learned a great deal.

The majority of the reponses to this so-called ?RIP-OFF? report sound to me like a bunch of whiners. Let us take Tim - Knoxville, Tennessee for instance.

First of all, his complaints about the Problem Solving class are somewhat juvenile considering the title of the course and his ?complaint??
"This class is pointless. It is basically "group work" in which you get together with other students and solve algebra problems. It is supposed to be a "refresher" class to get you to remember some algebra. I did not learn a single thing in this class because the teacher was not present in the classroom for at least 50% of the time. Why? Because its a "teamwork" class. They give you the textbook, pair you up with someone, and let you figure it out on your own. That sounds just great, doesn't it??

Well, Tim?I hate to break it to you, but life in the corporate world is pretty much the same way. You get an assignment, you get a team, and you solve the problem(s). And you will find that you have to work in teams of students, without the instructor present every single minute, at EVERY college.

Secondly, in an INTRO TO COMPUTERS class, the difference between Win 2000 and Win XP is not significant AND if you are the network admin at ITT, you are not going to put your INTRO class in the top-notch labs to ?take the unit apart and put it back together?. MANY people enter ITT with little to no computer experience.

Thirdly, in my four years of attending ITT, I have NEVER had a problem with Questa, other than it being a little slow on any Sunday I may have attempted to log on?that is when most of the slackers are frantically trying to submit their work before the deadline of Sunday, 11:59 PM. ?Both times, my teacher told me that I "shouldn't have waited until the last minute!" HMMMMMMMMMMMM?could that be Tim?????????

Tim says, ?Math is my worst subject, by far. The main reason I wanted to go to ITT was so that I wouldn't have to take all the math and english etc. and just get on with the stuff I really needed to know. I let them know this when I was registering and I asked them how much math was involved with the CEET course and was told "just a little bit in the beginning." Hmm..."just a little bit in the beginning" doesn't seem to cover Problem Solving, College Algebra I, College Algebra II, or Physics. So, right there I was directly lied to from the start.?

Do you not know, Tim, that EVERY DEGREE requires math and English, among other things? By the way, ?wouldn't? should be "would not" and English should be capitalized. English is capitalized because it comes from the proper noun England but math does not come from mathland. Are you so ignorant that you think a college degree is not diversified in its courses and that you cannot just take what YOU THINK YOU NEED TO TAKE??????

ITT is not the only college I have attended, however, it is the only one I have attended where I actually do get hands-on training, have instructors that care (most of them) and I have reached my goals and make a salary to show for it. There are difficulties at EVERY college. There are also whiners and complainers at EVERY college! Seems to me, most of you in this ?forum? fit these criteria?get a grip! College?your education?is what you make of it. You will enter with expectations that will not be what you thought they were going to be... and that will occur ANYWHERE you go...but what you take away from the situation is really, totally, up to you! Grow up!

I have had the pleasure of instruction from some GREAT and SKILLED people at ITT; people that I respect and will always remember! ITT is no more a fraud than any other college. It is a competitive market and they have recruiters just like everyone else. If you go to learn and you go with a good attitude then you will reap the benefits. One quarter and a bad attitude, Tim, do not make a compelling basis for critique.

Happy ITT Graduate
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#106 Consumer Comment

THEY'RE A SCAM

AUTHOR: Tim - (U.S.A.)

I recently decided to quit going to ITT after my second quarter in the CEET program. I can relate to everything I've read about ITT on this and other sites out there. In short, I just coundn't deal with their lies and mistakes anymore. I could write a book on how awful ITT is, but here is the gist of what they did to me...

In virtually any of the courses you take at ITT, everyone gets the same three classes to start out with. They are Problem Solving, Strategies for the Technical Professional, and Introduction to Personal Computers.

PROBLEM SOLVING: This class is pointless. It is basically "group work" in which you get together with other students and solve algebra problems. It is supposed to be a "refresher" class to get you to remember some algebra. I did not learn a single thing in this class because the teacher was not present in the classroom for at least 50% of the time. Why? Because its a "teamwork" class. They give you the textbook, pair you up with someone, and let you figure it out on your own. That sounds just great, doesn't it? And where was the teacher the whole time? Out in the hallway chatting it up with other teachers who were also ditching class. Lovely.

INTRODUCTION TO PERSONAL COMPUTERS: Also a joke. Name pretty much says it all. Quarters at ITT are 10 week periods (actually 11 counting finals week). In those 10 weeks, I had THREE...yes...THREE different teachers. The first one quit after the first week, the second one was the school's networking administrator, and the third was a little old lady who hadn't taught a class in over ten years. Our classroom had about 20 or so computers in it. Five of them...yes...FIVE of them actually worked well enough to get you into Windows. And when I say Windows, I don't mean XP...oh no, every machine I ever used in that school as of December 2005 all had Windows 2000 installed on them. It was very difficult to do a lab project when you have 20 students and only five working computers. So, instead of doing anything "hands on" like what was promised when I signed up, I got to sit back and WATCH someone else take the unit apart and put it back together. The textbook we were given was riddled with spelling errors. Needless to say, this class was a complete disaster on all accounts. Three different teachers, 20 students, and 5 working computers. Really getting my money's worth, aren't I?

STRATEGIES FOR THE TECHNICAL PROFESSIONAL: This was my least favorite class of all. This is your introduction to ITT's awful, awful online class system, called Questa. After my first morning in this class, I had learned that this was the first time my instructor had EVER taught a class, she was in the middle of working on her master thesis at whatever school she was at, she was trying to adopt a child, and she was already working two other jobs. Wow. ITT sure does have top-quality instructors working for them. The way the class works is you are given a book to study, then you do the homework at home online. Homework is due at 11:59pm every Sunday night. It doesn't help that their online system has serious downtime. There were two instances where I got zeros on assignments because I couldn't turn them in because I was having problems with the Questa system. Both times, my teacher told me that I "shouldn't have waited until the last minute!" So now it in my fault that I didn't send it in while the system was actually working.

I got through quarter one but quarter two was even worse. I won't even go into how much worse the classes were. TWO WEEKS into it I got taken out of my PC Tech class, escorted to the registration office, and was told my schedule would have to be changed because I failed my Strategies class last quarter. They were just now getting around to doing this! There was a week break in between the quarters, so that means it took them THREE weeks to get me in the classes I needed to be in. I told them I already knew I had failed the class, and the guy said (I swear) "Why didn't you come and tell us them?" Hello?! That isn't my job! I asked him why it took three whole weeks for them to get my schedule right and he told me that the "grades have only just now posted." I already knew my grades for my quarter one classes the week after class was over (my teachers emailed them to me) but it takes three weeks for them to "post?" Post where?!

Math is my worst subject, by far. The main reason I wanted to go to ITT was so that I wouldn't have to take all the math and english etc. and just get on with the stuff I really needed to know. I let them know this when I was registering and I asked them how much math was involved with the CEET course and was told "just a little bit in the beginning." Hmm..."just a little bit in the beginning" doesn't seem to cover Problem Solving, College Algebra I, College Algebra II, or Physics. So, right there I was directly lied to from the start.

The things you read about many of the teachers not speaking very good english or being hard to understand is absolutely true. I didn't have any teachers like this but always heard complaints about certain ones from other students....which brings me to my least favorite thing about ITT of them all. The students. The campus I was attending (Knoxville, TN) has the most unpleasent, negative atmosphere amongst the student body. When you go outside during breaks, all you hear is everyone complaining about the school in one way or another. Be it a teacher, the horrendous scheduling, the subpar lab equipment, whatever. Everyone in that place hated being there. When I first started out at ITT, there were 18 other students enrolled in my course. About five months later at the end of the second quarter, I was one of five left. That really says it all right there.

What I've written here isn't even half of the story. The fact that I am going to owe this "school" money very soon makes me sick to my stomach. Every time I see one of ITT's commercials on TV I have to change the channel.

Avoid ITT Technical Institute at all costs. Don't even THINK about going there. I know there are people out there who graduated from ITT and probably got good jobs as a result, but trust me, those people are few and far between. If anyone you know has told you they're thinking about going, tell them to forget it. There are far better (and cheaper) schools out there than ITT. The only way to get rid of this ruthless nationwide scam is to get people to not go there in the first place. I am going to be in debt for years now because of them and I deeply regret not doing enough research on the school before enrolling.

ITT Technical Institute was, without a doubt, the worst mistake I have ever made in my life.
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More responses needed!

AUTHOR: Caster - (U.S.A.)

All,

I'm sorry this so called "school" has negatively affected so many of you, but if they are allowed to continue to operate, than more and more people will be scammed.

We need to continue to post as many negative experiences as possible on here and keep it going. If we can make enough noise, than eventually someone will be forced to listen.

Also, ITT Tech is struggling right now. They have pumped up their radio advertising and TV advertising as well. They have raised tuition once again like they do every year, and it's becoming more and more expensive, yet the learning experience is getting cheaper and cheaper. They're struggling to keep their stock holders happy and remember, that's their #1 concern. Their #1 concern is the happiness of the stock holders and NOT THE STUDENT!
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#108 Consumer Comment

SCHOOL IS NOT RECOMMENDED AT ALL!

AUTHOR: Sombath - (U.S.A.)

oh yea, i forgot to mentioned that i only attended the school for 2 days, at their "woburn campus" i dropped out soon after i was told that the financial aid documents i signed, was never sent out. as i remember, i was all set and ready to be in class, but its a lie.. which was a good thing. i ended up not paying nothing!

ATTEND OTHER COLLEGES AROUND YOUR AREA, THIS SCHOOL IS NOT RECOMMENDED AT ALL!
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#109 Consumer Comment

will lure and manipulate you by any mean!

AUTHOR: Sombath - (U.S.A.)

everything that was said here,"its the absolute truth"! i was introduce to the school through an "recruiter", as i was on my way graduating high school. i visit other schools, but decided to give itt tech a try, due to location and the idea of "hands-on". the recruiter is some what like any car salesmen. be your friend, will lure and manipulate you by any mean!

i paid $100 for that entrance exam. i needed 21 out of 40 to pass. my first try, i failed receiving only 14. my second try, what a miracle i passed! when the recruiter said,"i got 21". i began to feel a lil skepitical after this moment.

now financial aid, im from a low income family. the lady ask for multiple documents, which all was given. until i gave her my "green card". she replied,"it expired". so i went throught all the citizenship procedure, im finally a permanent resident! now.. im so anxious to start class!

a week before class starts, i received a call from the financial aid adminstrator about more "required documents needed". so i went to my recruiter anyways, all he told me was "just go to class that day anyways, cause you given them all they needed and applied for financial aid". its like, your not my concern anymore? so i did.. got my schedule, went to the orientation meet, etc. then the day i start class, i was the only 1 left without any books! urgh.. long story! full of confusions, didnt understand what they wanted from me. they didnt care to much, this and that, horrible experience at that unworthy "some-what school"!

as i remember, my recruiter told me that i shouldnt go to a community college and transfer elsewhere, thats a waste of time. THIS IS WHAT I WILL DO AND SHOULD DONE FROM THE START!
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#110 Consumer Comment

tell these people you refuse to sign until you get the actual facts

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

I had to figure out with a problem on my email. I talked to someone who went to a different school and he agrees. First off it took the computer tech 3 years around time to find a job that would suit for him.

He agreed Itt tech is no good. Most of the schools are that way.

Before signing the contract look it over and tell these people you refuse to sign until you get the actual facts. Don't let them pressure anyone.
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#111 Consumer Suggestion

Thought this Scam sounded familiar....

AUTHOR: Hunter - (U.S.A.)

I knew I had heard about this company before. We here in Portland had the Feds deal with our local branch. I dug up the article, here it is...

-- Start of article

February 25, 2004
Report: Feds search ITT Tech's Portland campus

Federal agents on Wednesday searched the Indianapolis headquarters of ITT Technical Institutes and several of its sites nationwide, including its Portland campus at 6035 N.E. 78th Court, according to an Associated Press report.
Parent company ITT Educational Services Inc. (NYSE: ESI) told AP the investigation involved grand jury subpoenas of records concerning student placement, retention, graduation, attendance, recruitment, grades and graduates' salaries.

Calls to the Portland campus were picked up by an answering service representative, who said she had no information other than that the school is closed Wednesday.
The AP report noted that most ITT students pay a substantial portion of their tuition and other expenses with money received under federal aid programs, according to a company financial filing.

Rene Champagne, the Indianapolis-based company's chairman and chief executive, said in a prepared statement that the company was cooperating with investigators. "We have not been informed of any specific allegations or charges at this time," he said.

The U.S. Attorney's Office in Houston, which was leading the investigation, issued a statement by U.S. Attorney Michael Shelby saying "no conclusions should be drawn from today's activity."

Shelby said law enforcement officers were investigating at ITT's headquarters and at campuses in Indiana, Texas, Virginia, Florida, Louisiana, Nevada, California and Oregon.
ITT Educational Services focuses on technology-oriented degree programs. It operates more than 75 ITT Technical Institutes in 29 states. The Portland campus is the only one in Oregon.

Whatever the investigation reveals, it has taken its toll on ITT's stock, which fell 32.9 percent to close at $38.50 Wednesday. More than 8.9 million shares were traded, while average daily volume is less than 500,000 shares.

--End of article - Portland Business Journal

Again, this was Feb of 2004, so I doubt much has changed. I could not find an update.

Best of luck to anyone. Stay away from these nutjobs! Community College is always a great place to start and is MUCH cheaper!
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#112 Author of original report

Not Surprised!

AUTHOR: Caster - (U.S.A.)

To all,

Well it's definitely not a surprise to me that the complaints about this so called "institution" are growing. I mean look at what people from across the whole country are saying and reporting. It's a complete mess and a lot of unfortunate people are being taken advantage of.

What we need to continue to do is report our own situations and dealings with this "institution" on public boards so that the word continues to spread. Remember, I'm just trying to help people make the best decisions so that they're not left with a great amount of debt and a worthless degree.

If all of us keep speaking our minds then maybe someone out their will be forced to listen.
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#113 Consumer Comment

Student I feel like i have wasted 2 years of my life.

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

I Completly agree with everything said. I am also a 7th quarter student and wish i would have known this before i enrolled.

There is this one teacher who is absolutly terrible, knows nothing about what he is teaching and somehow he still has his job. The school does surveys and instructor evaluations every quarter. Everyone in the school bashes him and gives him the lowest score possible and they have done nothing about it. Kids are constantly transfering out of his classes.

Also, you were 100% right about the credits not transfering. I have checking into about 20 schools in IL, and none of them will accept ITT credits. NOT ONE. The only place i can tranfer my credits to is Devry... Ohh joy.

The lab equipment at the school is terrible. In the "library" i did a count just yeterday and 5 out of 10 of the computers did not work at all. Its the same way in the labs too. Nothing ever works.

The entrance exam.. give me a break. I want to know if its possible to fail this. This one kid in my class has to be the dumbest kid in the world, somehow the school accepted him, and hes made it to quarter 7. He only shows up for 4 of the 12 weeks. In my advanced linux class close to finals time he turned around and asked me where the terminal was. That is probably the first thing anyone ever learns about linux. Yet, somehow he still passes all the classes.

I feel like i have wasted 2 years of my life. Right now i am trying to decide what to do. Transfer into devry, or im even considering just starting over and going to a community college and going on from there. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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#114 Consumer Comment

Hey Erin

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

I just read what you put in. The "instructor" is being mean to you. If they are file harassment charges against the school and sue them for twice as much so that way you can get that money back. If I was harassed I would have slammed the teacher.

If it gets worse call the police and tell them to get the FBI since they scam everyone.

You people don't have to fall for it. If I did go and same thing would have happened to me the State would get involved.

I was just sent a notice in the mail about fall semester. I flatout told the administrator I'm not interested. Don't let these schools fool you.
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#115 Consumer Comment

I am Currently enrolled in itt tech, BIG MISTAKE!!!!

AUTHOR: Erin - (U.S.A.)

Dear Readers,

I attend the Hilliard,ohio location.

Well to start off , i wish i would have known about this site sooner, it would have saved me an education that i cant use now.
I am in MY 7th quarter and just want to get it over with now. i am including just some of the many incidents i have endured through going to this " College" .

1. The text for the courses are mainly misprinted and do nothing but confuse the user.
and we have gone through at least 4 brands of text.
2.Registering for classes has been a hassle ..period. They just now sent me my revised schedule three weeks into the quarter stated i was registerd for the wrong courses ( i am a CNS student) they had me registered for CEET..
3. I Do agree with the orginal poster on the scam and tactics to get the lower middle class ( like myself) to enroll . i was bribed with a bright future in CNS, but i realize now what will happen if they stay open , everyone will be put into the whole process . we will all graduate and be put into the field with a 3rd rate education with a first rate price tag.

4. Itt Tech's ways of teaching are just utterly horrid. I was put through a course in which my intructor is a programmer by trade ,NOT A TEACHER! he rambled on for hours on end and when he ran into an error in his programming he sent us on a BREAK! until he attempted to fix the issue. And then when we got back he said he couldnt fix it so we went to lab. and he was always mean and rude to us when we ask for help.
this quarter i got fed up with it and admitted to my recently graduated 20-something college instructor that we in FACT do pay at least 20% of there salaries and for what a an educator like her self to sit there and say please print screen and save to mspaint. she dosent explain to us what were doing she just tells us to do it.
5. The Management and Fin. Aid is poorly organized and run . i have gone through at least 3 differnet fin. aid reps. since ive started. Everytime i have a complaint i go to the Dean of Academics in my school .. and its gotten to the point that there is so much to complian about they know me by name. Which is really sad if you think about it.

6. Online Courses- In two words. They Suck.
We started this new "hybrid" course structure this quarter where you spend two hrs in school in addition to what we already spend on campus.
Anyways , I have recieved substanial errors with the " questa" system. I recieve tutoring on mondays from a fellow student and we attempted to work the same quizzes out on paper and got the right answers to it ( we double checked the paper answers with a certified mathmetician) and we were proven incorrect according to questa when in fact if you do the problem according to the subset rules in the online area we should have been correct ( it even offered the answer as a choice) and i still ended up failing the quiz. But the questa system is down half the time anyways so there is absoultely now way to meet the deadline.

In Conclusion , There are more downers then uppers in attending this school. my advice is to just keep on moving past all the recruitment calls ( telemarketing tactics at its best ;p) ,
And go to a four yr or cc college . you will be much better off . Please heed all warnings you have read here cause they are true. DO NOT GO TO ITT TECH. IF YOU DO WATCH YOUR FIN. AID like a hawk.

Thank you for taking the time to read this,
Erin
P.s what i didnt include was i had already talked with my states board of colleges .. i suggest the others to do the same.
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#116 Consumer Comment

Hey caster ..They want $100 up front first and the testing.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

You go thru a skills test to see what you can answer. All the schools do it. If I were to go back I would deliberately fail. They pressure you to go for the schooling and then $33,800? If I'm paying that money I'd better get the education and they better find me something.

If anyone went to the school and you have enough knowledge of what you learned then work for yourself.

If everyone keeps posting and an attorney reads this thats all they need.
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#117 Consumer Comment

Hey caster ..They want $100 up front first and the testing.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

You go thru a skills test to see what you can answer. All the schools do it. If I were to go back I would deliberately fail. They pressure you to go for the schooling and then $33,800? If I'm paying that money I'd better get the education and they better find me something.

If anyone went to the school and you have enough knowledge of what you learned then work for yourself.

If everyone keeps posting and an attorney reads this thats all they need.
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#118 Consumer Comment

Hey caster ..They want $100 up front first and the testing.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

You go thru a skills test to see what you can answer. All the schools do it. If I were to go back I would deliberately fail. They pressure you to go for the schooling and then $33,800? If I'm paying that money I'd better get the education and they better find me something.

If anyone went to the school and you have enough knowledge of what you learned then work for yourself.

If everyone keeps posting and an attorney reads this thats all they need.
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#119 Consumer Comment

Hey caster ..They want $100 up front first and the testing.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

You go thru a skills test to see what you can answer. All the schools do it. If I were to go back I would deliberately fail. They pressure you to go for the schooling and then $33,800? If I'm paying that money I'd better get the education and they better find me something.

If anyone went to the school and you have enough knowledge of what you learned then work for yourself.

If everyone keeps posting and an attorney reads this thats all they need.
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#120 UPDATE EX-employee responds

DON'T DO IT.....

AUTHOR: Caster - (U.S.A.)

PEOPLE,

If more people keep posting rebuttals, and more people express their dissatisfaction with the school, maybe more people will stop attending the classes and they will be forced to close their doors.




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#121 Consumer Suggestion

itt tech

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

I'm glad I come to this site.


Itt won't last long if everyone defends and takes these morons to court. They want $100 up front for after testing. I took the test twice so I know where you all come from. If they tell you that you can't get that money back tell them your going to the state. Its bullshit.
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#122 Consumer Comment

As a former student I agree with the original post...

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

I am an ITT Grad who also went to the West Covina campus. I graduated back in 1993, and I guess that this school has gone down hill since then. Back before the computer and Internet boom, the hands on experience was truly hands-on! We worked with electronic components, lasers, microwaves, RF circuits and many other things. For a class project I built a VLF Receiver with a 10 ft. antenna to pick up atmospheric emissions and, I hoped, military communications (I never got those, but I did pick up morning chirp which was somewhat rare).
Anyway, the point is that we had great teachers and those who really wanted to learn learned quite a bit. Everybody got A's and B's, but I felt that the education quality was quite good. I still have many of my textbooks and most are still relevant to today's technology world.
After graduation I worked for TRW and Sony, and today I make over $50k with an entertainment production company near Los Angeles.
So what's wrong with ITT here is were the but comes in.
I have never been able to move into any management position and nobody from my class or any other ITT grad that I know has ever moved up the corporate ladder. None, zip, zero. There probably those that have, but I know of nobody who has actually managed to do it. My degrees are A.A.S. and A.B.S. degrees; the first letter of both standing for Applied! They are quasi-degrees. They will get you in the door as technicians, but good luck going anywhere else.
If you want to get a real degree, like I do, then you will have to start the education process all over again! No UC or CSU school will accept ITT credits. I'm doing now what I should have done a long time ago I back in the CA community college system and will transfer to a University in spring of '06.

If you are planning to going to ITT, do yourself a huge favor and explore the CC system FIRST! Even if you are only interested in electronics, or computers, or drafting, the CC system has a better program and it's much cheaper. $26.00 per unit!
In general, you should avoid for-profit schools like the plague unless you absolutely have to go to one.
Employers are fully aware of the ITT, DeVry, UOP, AIU campuses and if they see any of those on your resume you will most likely be laughed out of the building. Or you will begin at an entry-level position and watch for years as others with degrees from real universities pass you by on the corporate ladder like you are standing still!
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#123 UPDATE EX-employee responds

So true . . .

AUTHOR: Michelle - (U.S.A.)

Regarding what you said:

I know you were one of the people who probably tried to make a difference, but was held back by the people you have to call "boss."

This is so true. And my bosses wanted to do good, but they were held back by their bosses and ITT regulations.
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#124 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Reply, Some good points...

AUTHOR: Caster - (U.S.A.)

Michelle,

Thanks for the reply Michelle. I have to admit, I was a little harsh in the opening complaint, but it was with a good conscience and it had a lot of backing. But, I do agree with a few things that you have said.

I do agree that there are people who work at these Institutions who care about the students. I believe a few instructors at each campus around the country actually do care about the well being of their students. I also think though that there are a lot of instructors there just simply filling a space and collecting a paycheck. Unfortunately, the good instructors are sometimes limited to what they can actually do in their own classrooms because of budgets or other issues. Another issue about the teachers. A student, after his/her first quarter with the school, will only see an instructor twice a week, and the third course will be online. Like I always say, how can a place be "hands on" and you're learning from home.

I do believe there are a lot of good people in the Career Services departments around the country trying to find these students jobs. And I bet they actually are somewhat concerned about the well being of the students after graduation. But the fact of the matter is, they can work there butts off looking for jobs, but ITT Technical degrees are not looked upon that highly, if even recognized at all.

So, I do acknowledge that there are quality people working at ITT Techs across the country. But I really don't see how they justify there prices, and some of the practices that they follow. It's just a little bit absurd to me that a degree from a place such as this is as much as a private college or university. And it's not as expensive as it is because it's highly appreciated. It's at this high of a cost because it has stock holders to account to...(I really don't have time to continue now)

Anyways, thanks Michelle once again. I know you were one of the people who probably tried to make a difference, but was held back by the people you have to call "boss." I hope you're in a better situation now.
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#125 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Good and Bad of ITT -- Mostly Bad though

AUTHOR: Michelle - (U.S.A.)

Contrary to what you said, ITT does hire full time instructors, I was one of them.

I agree with your comment for ITT students to go to a JC, complete their GE courses and transfer to a "real" college or university.

BUT the fact of the matter is that ITT caters to those students that simply cannot make it or cannot get into a real college; this is their niche market. ITT students want a degree soooo badly that they are willing to pay the STEEP price ITT charges compared to other schools for that degree.

As a former instructor I can say that we tried to provide our students with the BEST education we can, at least I did and from my interactions with other instructors, we cared about their learning experience.

I would say that only about 1%-3% of top ITT students get good entry level jobs with big companies like Northrup Gruman or other major aerospace companies, etc. from my experience. These are the students who did well and the fact is, these students could've went to a JC and did well, BUT ITT did bring these huge companies in to interview their students. To play devil's advocate, if these students went to a JC I am not entirely convinced that they would have applied at one of these major companies, so ITT networks and brings the companies in for the students. But again, only a VERY small percentage of ITT grads get these kinds of jobs. Others are simply left jobless. But the career center tries very hard to find them a job, but the fact is that it can be hard for these students at the bottom to land a job for a variety of reasons.

Management may indeed be concerned about the bottom line as ITT is for profit, but from my experience, everyone at my campus, from reps to instructors and the top management did seem to care about students and want them to succeed, because if students did not succeed, the school would not.

But in the final analysis, for the price ITT charges and the education provided, I agree with the original post that students considering ITT should just go to a junior college if they can't get into a 4-year one yet, study hard, complete your GE's and transfer to a 4-year university. It will be cheaper and the education will be at least as good, if not better than an ITT education in terms of cost.

A former ITT instructor
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#126 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Thanks Jason...

AUTHOR: Caster - (U.S.A.)

Jason,

If more people like you would step up, then more people would stop attending this institution and they would eventually have to close their doors. Only thing keeping ITT Tech alive, is the fact that new people are starting school there every 3 months because of the quarter system. If people would stop listening to the marketing department and their "Recruiters", then this place would be in a heap of trouble.

ITT Tech has a problem keeping the students in the seats once they have started in a program, so a lot of the manpower has to be used to fill these empty seats. Empty seats to ITT Tech means some stock holders aren't getting their money and that's not how it's suppossed to be.

Jason, don't hire ITT Tech grads and continue to hire from that other College because it sounds like they're at least providing some sort of higher education. And remember, it's not the ITT Tech grad's fault, it's the management's fault and the greedy stock holders as well. Don't blame the student, blame the institution!


Caster Troy
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#127 Consumer Comment

ITT is generally worthless

AUTHOR: Jason - (U.S.A.)

I have worked with alot of ITT grads in the past, and most generally agree that it's not worth it.

In this area, we have a good 2 year technical college (Greenville Technical College) that has both a Computer and Industrial Electronics track. The first big difference is that it costs less than half to attend Greenville Tech vs ITT, and the second is that you come out with a far better education. We will hire just about anyone who went through Greenville Tech, but ITT grads seem like they have been taught A+B=C and can't figure out on their own that C-A=B.

My opinion, and maybe the ITT people I have dealt with have been the exception rather than the rule.
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#128 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Hope this helps...

AUTHOR: Caster - (U.S.A.)

Cathye,

Glad someone saw this. Now, you said you saw a Financial Aid representative correct? If so, I'm assuming you passed the entrance exam with no problem then. Didn't you think something was wrong with the entrance exam? Maybe the fact you could go in there and guess on every question and most likely pass? Basically, that's just another point I have against this place. They make it out to be some cool, highly thought of, institution and they're not.

Now about Dallas, I bet the ITT Tech you checked out didn't have Bachelors Degrees. I know in the state of Texas, ITT Tech only had Associates available. So, look at another example of how shady this place is. Say I graduate from a ITT Tech with a Bachelors in Information Systems Security in California and move to Texas a year later. Now I pretty much have a degree that is not worth anything at all because it is not even recognized as a real degree in that state.

Also, I'm positive the recruiting techniques are the same from state to state because they have to find students some way, some how. Students are not graduating high school with dreams or hopes of attending ITT Tech, so the school has to find students some how. And when they find those students, they're going to fill their heads with great visions and say "now that you see those visions, watch how ITT Tech and only ITT Tech can take you there." Problem is, not many people are seeing those dreams come true that a lot of the "Recruiters" are promising.

Ask yourself a question Cathye, if ITT Technical Institute was such a great school, would they really need to have "Recruiters" double as telemarketers? I ask that, because when "Recruiters" are not taking prospective students on tours, they're on the phone dialing 50-60 different numbers a day trying to find someone to come in for a tour. ALso, high school "Recruiters" are in the high schools lying to seniors and getting prospective students that way as well.

Like I said earlier, I could go on and on, but I won't. I think you should take a few things into prospective about your Dallas Campus. Are there any Junior Colleges any where close? Do they have the programs you're looking for. May take a year or so longer from a JC but it definitely won't be as much.

Anyways, like I said earlier, I could go on for days. If you would like more proof, email me or reply to this, and I'll respond.

Hope I'm helping someone make the right decision.
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#129 Consumer Comment

WHAT IS THIS TRUE FOR DALLAS AS WELL?

AUTHOR: Cathye - (U.S.A.)

Hello.
I really would like to know more about ITT from your perspective.
I am starting to feel really sceptical about them and now that I see all these reports I'm getting terrified!! Just some of your comments reminded me how the financial aid lady was so kind and she begin telling me that she worked there for years and how great the school was and that she would advise her own children to go there.
I am a single Mom and my prioritys are my children. If it wasnt for them I probably wouldnt even be trying to further my education.
So my question is (aplogies if I sound "duh")but does all their institutions practice the same way?
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