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  • Submitted: Fri, October 10, 2008
  • Updated: Thu, May 30, 2013

  • Reported By:Sparks Nevada
J & L Distributing
1757 Silverado Blvd Reno, Nevada U.S.A.

J & L Distributing Scam... Lies... Witholding Information... NEVER AGAIN!!! Reno Nevada

*UPDATE Employee: Love Working at J&L!

*UPDATE Employee: The opportunity is endless!!

*Consumer Comment: I knew it

*Consumer Comment: J@L COMPANY JUST CAME BY

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE FOR MYSELF! J & L Distributing Scam... Lies... Witholding Information by Chanel's

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE FOR MYSELF! J & L Distributing Scam... Lies... Witholding Information by Chanel's

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE FOR MYSELF! J & L Distributing Scam... Lies... Witholding Information by Chanel's

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: How can you make such a full report when you only went there for 4 hours?

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I recently moved to Sparks, NV 2 months ago, after 1 month of job searching I finally found a temporary job. Not much, but it was a start and I was able to pay my bills, so when I saw the Internet add for 2000$ a month I had to check it out-mistake! I called J&L Distributing and immediately set up an interview that same day. Of course I went and during the interview I was told about some the potential and benefits with working there, and it never dawned on me to ask, Are we getting paid?, who would think to ask if a job will pay me. But I did explain to my interviewer - Paula - that I am already working and will have to quit my current job to work there and with that she was fine, still did not inform me that this is a commission only job. I also asked the million dollar question, What will I be doing (the ad says customer service and setting up displays), seems easy. I was assured there was no selling involved and that I would be setting up janitorial supplies, seems easy, I would be making at least 2000$ a month- I thought. I was hired later that evening by my interviewer-Paula. I was excited to have a job making more and I was eager to start. My first day and only day in training I listened to Paula go on and on about her life and how selling Kirby's put her in a better position financially and it sounded alright, but the whole time I am sitting there (12-5pm) I figured I was getting paid-Wrong! After the class we were told to call in and see if we satisfied Paula enough to return, as if they are doing us a favor. When I called in I spoke to Cameron and I asked about filling out our employment paperwork and that's when I found out we were not being paid. I held my anger and words to myself because I wanted to speak with Paula because she was the one I communicated with from the start. Needless to say I called back 20 mins later and I got Paula, I was not rude, loud or disrespectful ( and it was very hard at that time) and I asked her why she did not tell me the training wasn't paid and she told me she did not go over any of the pay therefore she feels she was right, and in order to make money for training I need to set up appointments with friends and family..........I just moved here and my main focus is getting a job, not hanging out and making friends. Therefore, unless I don't care about getting paid, I would have to go door-2-door while transporting this Kirby door-2-door. Where does the customer service come in at, these are not customers, they are unsuspecting Nevadans being solicited during their time at home. So I decided to pass and I did not return, but thanks to J & L Distributing I am no longer have a paying job.

Don't get me wrong, I am sure there is money in selling Kirby's. But I should not of been lied to and it is MY decision to sit in a class and not get paid, not Kirby representative Paula's decision. And further more, if the Kirby company doesn't care anything about the people they so-call "Hire" I am sure once you become Kirby customer and shell out 2500$ or add in another drawn out bill, that the customer service and attention will be faulty as well.

I wonder why the makers and owners of Kirby allow this to go on and don't hold contractors responsible for their shady business practices.?!

Buyer and potential employee............Beware!

Chanel
Sparks, Nevada
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 10/10/2008 10:27 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/J-L-Distributing/Reno-Nevada-89512/J-L-Distributing-Scam-Lies-Witholding-Information-NEVER-AGAIN-Reno-Nevada-380058. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 UPDATE Employee

Love Working at J&L!

AUTHOR: Mark - ()

I have been an employee of the company for almost 3 years now and have loved my experience with the company. I make more than ALL of my peers (Parents too) and yes we do work hard. I have never met a successfull person that claimed it was easy to get where they were. If it were an easy business everyone would do it and be millionaires, Personally i have no other thoughts of going to work for another company (even with a college degree). I have been on 3 paid vacations with the company and next month am going on another one. This business is for people that want to make something of themselves in life, and are willing to work for it. As far as these "high pressure sales tactics" go i have never employed any nor have i been instructed to. I have seen every check written out to every employee who did the work to get it. They pay $2000 a month for showing the equipment 12 times a week, with 0 sales. To those who didnt get paid, they worked 1 day, which every person ive ever seen hired here they had made it blatantly obvious that the contract is for 1 week of work if you dont sell they will pay you for your work, which if u dont work they arent going to pay you. Ive never made under 3,000 in a month since ive started with the exception of my first month (which i was paid $2,000 for working). It seems to me alot of people like to ride on their high horses and point fingers at a company who, in all my experience has been up front and honest with me, about something they did not follow through on.

For the few people who had a bad experience with a kirby rep, i dont defend the reps actions, sales of that caliber is never called for, in 3 years of meetings every day im still waiting on the "how to high pressure a customer into buying" lesson. The people who sell like that never last with the company, nor would i imagine anyone would want to buy from a sleazeball like that. Another point i find interesting is that alot of people say that we "scam" our employees, which ive never seen anyone who earned their paycheck not get paid. What we fail to ignore is that most other companies do off-shore labor and take the scams to different countries where it is not readily available to be talked about or even the conditions in which this happens, and of course where social media is not. tell me what is more of a scam $2000 a month for working hard of your own free will, or being forced to work in a factory at 6 years of age for 5 cents a day to ship your products to america to sell them in our economy so your family can eat? Start to finish with the Kirby we employ americans and dont participate in child enslavement. I'd really like to see more people held accountable for their actions in this respect as opposed to attacking those who offer, albiet a different kind of work, very valid and profitable business for those who are willing to learn and work hard for it. Go picket Johnson&Johnson for their "sales tactics" of child enslavement, and leave honest hard working folks alone to make their living and share the opportunity they have found with other people.

To those who tried and didnt make it in the business God bless you for trying sales is not for everybody. But worst case u spent a very short period of your life to find out that maybe sales isnt for you, maybe close that chapter in your life. Although i do know tons of people to try sales and have found abundant succuess, whats tragic to me is that some people are only capable of seeing the negative and assume their faults, work-habits and shortcomings will be everyone elses. To those people i'd like to politely ask you to refrain from stopping someone from achieving their dreams based on your fears.

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#2 UPDATE Employee

The opportunity is endless!!

AUTHOR: Dpsdan - ()

I have been an employee of J & L distributing since 2009 (4 years). they specifically start you out on a $2000 BASE pay! If you do so many cleanings (even without selling) you will get paid $2000. Since the year 2009 I have not made under $3000 in a month! I myself have been on 2 all expense paid vacation on a carnival cruise to Ensenada, Mexico. I have won a few trips (all expense paid) to Las Vegas, NV. we stayed at the Flamingo the first time and The Hard Rock hotel in suites. I just got back from a vacation in Oahu, Hawaii. That topped anything I have ever done before. I am also going to Cancun Mexico in July 2013! (Can't wait). As far as money goes, my best month in business was over $15000 in August 2012. I made $90k last year and I'm only 23 years old! Like I said the opportunity is endless! 

its a great opportunity! Although it is not for everybody! You will not know if it's for you if you only try it out for a week or 2. Give it 30 days and see what happens! Just because it doesn't work out for some people, does not mean that's how it is for everyone. If you do well, you get promoted to management. Than you can even open up your own distribitership. Many people have made millions. 

Thats all I have to say! Thanks for reading. P.s. if I spelt anything wrong, remember I SELL VACUUMS for a living! Ha

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#3 Consumer Comment

I knew it

AUTHOR: Iknewit - (United States of America)

What an immature way to respond. You took advantage of someone and you respond with no remorse. Its disgusting. I'll be canceling my interview. Thank God for the internet. I'd be wasting my time talking to a terrible person
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#4 Consumer Comment

J@L COMPANY JUST CAME BY

AUTHOR: ronald - (United States of America)

i would like to thank the people on here for the info on the j@l company. i just had a person came by to try and have some one come into my home do one area for free
did not even say it was to try and sell a carpet cleaner  or anything. i just did a search online here and found this group. so it will save me the hassle of even calling that company.
glad for the internet saved me.
thanks for this ripoff report site saved me from people trying to sell me something i have no use for
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#5 UPDATE EX-employee responds

EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE FOR MYSELF! J & L Distributing Scam... Lies... Witholding Information by Chanel's

AUTHOR: Thomasaustin - (U.S.A.)

While reading some of the comments written here on J & L Distributors, I cant help but come away with the same story line over and over, Deception, Misrepresentation and disappointed would-be employees left with little but resentment. Myself included, everything from the start of this fiasco left me with a maddening feeling. I was lied to from the start. I asked twice specifically during my interview "will this involve selling of anything?". "No", i was repeatedly told "this is customer service position involving the setting up of displays".Something told me i was being lied to, but rather than being pessimistic or negative I gladly accepted their $2000.00 a month base salary with many chances for advancement. While it may be true there are chances for advancement, why not tell the would be employee that yes you have to sell vacuums and if you dont give us a MINIMUM of four "qualifying" family or friends your booted rather quickly for not being a "Team Player". Once again I would not have wasted the four hours of my time had i known it was a "Amway" kind of Kirby-Door-to-Door sales position. I left after the first day of training, as i am upset with being deceived the first 10 minutes of meeting with the interviewer. I feel bad for the other 29 individuals in the training class that will surely have to learn after maybe 20 hours of unpaid time or maybe more that this is not what they thought. This is selling This is commission This is not customer service and furthermore you have to drag your friends or family members in on something that maybe they'd rather not be involved with. Kirby is looking for a minimum 120 contacts out of the 30 potential employees. On another side note I have personally had the demonstration done at my residence on several occasions. The first time was not so pushy, following times were slightly different with promises and prices dropping from a starting price down to a whole different price making me wonder at which point do most people cry uncle at. Where is the "sucker" level and at which point is the "that was a fair price" level? So I guess the reason I posted this is because I feel it should be known that this, while maybe not a scam, is certainly a misrepresentation of a job. My gripe here among other things mostly is that I had expectations of something different than the reality and that in and of itself is an unsavory business practice on any level. Nuff Said.....
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#6 UPDATE EX-employee responds

EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE FOR MYSELF! J & L Distributing Scam... Lies... Witholding Information by Chanel's

AUTHOR: Thomasaustin - (U.S.A.)

While reading some of the comments written here on J & L Distributors, I cant help but come away with the same story line over and over, Deception, Misrepresentation and disappointed would-be employees left with little but resentment. Myself included, everything from the start of this fiasco left me with a maddening feeling. I was lied to from the start. I asked twice specifically during my interview "will this involve selling of anything?". "No", i was repeatedly told "this is customer service position involving the setting up of displays".Something told me i was being lied to, but rather than being pessimistic or negative I gladly accepted their $2000.00 a month base salary with many chances for advancement. While it may be true there are chances for advancement, why not tell the would be employee that yes you have to sell vacuums and if you dont give us a MINIMUM of four "qualifying" family or friends your booted rather quickly for not being a "Team Player". Once again I would not have wasted the four hours of my time had i known it was a "Amway" kind of Kirby-Door-to-Door sales position. I left after the first day of training, as i am upset with being deceived the first 10 minutes of meeting with the interviewer. I feel bad for the other 29 individuals in the training class that will surely have to learn after maybe 20 hours of unpaid time or maybe more that this is not what they thought. This is selling This is commission This is not customer service and furthermore you have to drag your friends or family members in on something that maybe they'd rather not be involved with. Kirby is looking for a minimum 120 contacts out of the 30 potential employees. On another side note I have personally had the demonstration done at my residence on several occasions. The first time was not so pushy, following times were slightly different with promises and prices dropping from a starting price down to a whole different price making me wonder at which point do most people cry uncle at. Where is the "sucker" level and at which point is the "that was a fair price" level? So I guess the reason I posted this is because I feel it should be known that this, while maybe not a scam, is certainly a misrepresentation of a job. My gripe here among other things mostly is that I had expectations of something different than the reality and that in and of itself is an unsavory business practice on any level. Nuff Said.....
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#7 UPDATE EX-employee responds

EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE FOR MYSELF! J & L Distributing Scam... Lies... Witholding Information by Chanel's

AUTHOR: Thomasaustin - (U.S.A.)

While reading some of the comments written here on J & L Distributors, I cant help but come away with the same story line over and over, Deception, Misrepresentation and disappointed would-be employees left with little but resentment. Myself included, everything from the start of this fiasco left me with a maddening feeling. I was lied to from the start. I asked twice specifically during my interview "will this involve selling of anything?". "No", i was repeatedly told "this is customer service position involving the setting up of displays".Something told me i was being lied to, but rather than being pessimistic or negative I gladly accepted their $2000.00 a month base salary with many chances for advancement. While it may be true there are chances for advancement, why not tell the would be employee that yes you have to sell vacuums and if you dont give us a MINIMUM of four "qualifying" family or friends your booted rather quickly for not being a "Team Player". Once again I would not have wasted the four hours of my time had i known it was a "Amway" kind of Kirby-Door-to-Door sales position. I left after the first day of training, as i am upset with being deceived the first 10 minutes of meeting with the interviewer. I feel bad for the other 29 individuals in the training class that will surely have to learn after maybe 20 hours of unpaid time or maybe more that this is not what they thought. This is selling This is commission This is not customer service and furthermore you have to drag your friends or family members in on something that maybe they'd rather not be involved with. Kirby is looking for a minimum 120 contacts out of the 30 potential employees. On another side note I have personally had the demonstration done at my residence on several occasions. The first time was not so pushy, following times were slightly different with promises and prices dropping from a starting price down to a whole different price making me wonder at which point do most people cry uncle at. Where is the "sucker" level and at which point is the "that was a fair price" level? So I guess the reason I posted this is because I feel it should be known that this, while maybe not a scam, is certainly a misrepresentation of a job. My gripe here among other things mostly is that I had expectations of something different than the reality and that in and of itself is an unsavory business practice on any level. Nuff Said.....
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#8 UPDATE EX-employee responds

How can you make such a full report when you only went there for 4 hours?

AUTHOR: Melissa - (U.S.A.)

Chantel,

I enjoyed your report and I would like to buy into the negativity you spread here. However it seems to me that you gave four hours of your life to go to an orentation where they guarentee you $2000 a month for working full time and you are now angry because you worked for 4 hours and didn't get paid for the orentation.

You quit your job to attend a 4 hour orentation and then quit that job just to write a report online instead of working and makeing the $2000 that was available there?

Wow thats very intresting.
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