• Report: #4377

Complaint Review: JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

  • Submitted: Mon, February 05, 2001
  • Updated: Thu, September 16, 2004

  • Reported By:Tempe Arizona
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS
Nationwide U.S.A.

The Jehovah's Witnesses use smoke screen to catch Christians off guard ..A CRITICAL LOOK AT THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS BIBLE

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A CRITICAL LOOK AT THE JEHOVAH'S WITNESS BIBLE
THE NEW WORLD TRANSLATION

by M. Kurt Goedelman

The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures (NWT) is the name of the Bible used worldwide by members of the Jehovah's Witness sect. The Watchtower Society claims this work to have been made directly into English from Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek languages.

This translation, they claim, was made by "a committee of anointed witnesses of Jehovah,"but the Society refuses to divulge the names and credentials of the men who comprised this committee.

The work was originally released in six volumes starting in 1950. In 1961 the entire Bible had been completely "translated" and thus released in a one volume publication. Since that time many additional editions of this Bible have rolled off the Watchtower's presses, complete with changes and alterations.

Who Were the translators?

The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has failed both the public and its own followers at this most crucial point, as they refuse to give the names and credentials of the translators of The New World Translation. The Watchtower's Bible subject index handbook, Reasoning from the Scripture, states: "When presenting as a gift the publishing rights to their translation, the New World Bible Translation Committee requested that its members remain anonymous. The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania has honored their request" (pg. 277).

The reason cited is because the "translators were not seeking prominence for themselves." However, the fact is that the men who comprised this committee had no adequate schooling or background to function as skilled critical Bible translators.

The translation committee was headed by (then vice -president of the Jehovah's Witnesses)Frederick W.Franz. Other members included Nathan H. Knorr (then president of the Jehovah's Witnesses),AlbertD. Schroeder, Ceorge D. Gangas and Milton Henschel.

The information as to the identity of the translation committee was made known by former Jehovah's Witness William Cetnar. (See further, We Left lehovah's Witnesses, A Non-Profit Organization Edmond C. Gruss.) Cetnar was to supply this information as he worked at the International Headquarters of Jehovah's Witnesses during the time the translation was being prepared.

In addition, former member of the Watchtower's Governing Body, Raymond V. Franz, in his book, Crisis of Conscience, lists the translators' names as Franz, Knorr, Schroeder and Cangas. His list omits Henschel. Franz further acknowledges his uncle Frederick Franz as the "principal translator of the Society's New World Translation" (Crisis, pg. 50).

Yet, Frederick Franz's translation ability is open to serious question.

During a court trial held in Scotland in 1954 (during the same period that the New World Translation was being made) Franz was asked if he had made himself familiar with Hebrew. His reply was "Yes." Healso acknowledged under oath that he could read and follow the Bible in Hebrew, Greek, Latin, Spanish, Portuguese, German and French. The following day, during the same court trial, his linguistic abilities were put to the test.

He was asked to translate Genesis 2:4 into Hebrew. He failed the test as he was unable to do so. In fact he did not even try, but rather stated "No, I wouldn't attempt to do that."(See, Court of Session, Scotland - Douglas Walsh vs. The Right Honourable James Latham Clyde - November 1954.)

Is It Really a Scholarly Translation7

To this question the Watchtower has led its followers to believe that although the backgrounds of its translators are not made known, the translation will stand on its own. It does not.

The translation committee is guilty of inventing non-existent Greek grammar (and then follows these made up rules only when necessary to support the theology of the Watchtower) and inserting words into Scripture that change the meaning of God's Word.

The 1985 edition of the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures states for its readers the guidelines and goals endorsed by the translation committee. The Society claims that, "We offer no paraphrase ofScripture. Our endeavor throughout has been to as literal a translation as possible where the modern English idiom allows for it or where the thought content is not hidden due to awkwardness in the literal rendition" and that" To each major word we have assigned one meaning and have held to that meaning as far as context permitted" (pp. 9-10, 1985 ed.; pg. 10, 1969 ed.).

However, based on these claims for its translation of the Bible, the committee has failed miserably.

Considering the Watchtower's first point, "We offer no paraphrase of Scripture," one need only examine the NWT renderings of John 15:4,5; John 17:26; Galatians 1:16; Romans 8:10; Colossians 1:27 and 2 Corinthians 13:5 to find that the translation committee has paraphrased Scripture to deny the indwelling of Christ in the believer.

Each of the aforementioned verses speaks of Christ living within the Christian ("in him" or "in you"), yet these verses found in the NWT have been paraphrased to read in union with you (him)" (emphasis added).

Regarding the second point,"Our endeavor throughout has been to give as literal a translation as possible...," this criterion likewise misses the mark of honest scholarship.

An examination of Colossians 1:16, 17 and Philippians 2:9 demonstrates through the addition of words that the committee has not presented "as literal a translation as possible. "

In both verses cited one finds the word "other" added. (Christ created all "other" things, meaning he is also a creature, a created being.) Thus we find divine attributes of the Lord Jesus Christ removed, namely that He is the creator of all things and that He possesses the name that is above every name.

Finally, the third point, "To each major word we have assigned one meaning and have held to that meaning as far as context permitted," fairs no better than the previous statements. The translation committee has again let their theological bias bend their rules for translating.

In Matthew 25:46, 2 Peter 2:9 and Acts 4:21 we find the Greek word kolaoontai that refers to punishment.

However, since the Watchtower denies the teaching of eternal punishment we find the committee rendering two of the passages, those in Matthew and 2 Peter (which refer to eternal punishment) as "cutting off" and the Scripture found in Acts (which refers to physical punishment) as "punish."

Since the Kingdom Interlinear Translation provides a between the lines literal Greek-English Translation and the text of the New World Translation (located in the right hand column), we recommend its use for the documentation of the above Scriptural citations.

Why is the Name "]ehovah " Used in the Christian Greek Scriptures?

The Watchtower Society leads its followers to believe that its translation is also superior on the basis that it has restored the divine name ]ehovah (Yahweh) to the pages of the Bible. The Watchtower's publication, "The Divine Name That Will Endure Forever" announces that it was a "apostate" Christian church that removed the divine name and has substituted " Lord" in its place.

However, they have based, in part, this erroneous idea on some guesswork published by Professor George Howard in an article in the March 1978 issue of Biblical Archaeological Review. Howard's evidence was slim and in a more detailed article published the previous year in The Journal of Biblical Literature he sets forth what he proposes as "a theory." The question that the Watchtower leaders never considered is whether Howard's guesses are supported by the evidence.

This question was addressed by Dr. Albert Pietersma of the University of Toronto. Writing in De Sepuaginta, a collection of scholarly articles, by experts in Septuagint studies, Piertersma carefully reviews Howard's use of the three Old Testament manuscript fragments. He finds that a careful examination does not support Howard's theory.

Further the Watchtower's Reasoning book announces, "The divine name appears in translations of the Christian Greek Scriptures into Hebrew, in passages where quotations are made directly from the inspired Hebrew Scriptures. This is merely a rephrasing of the "Restoring the Divine Name" concept found in the Forward of the Kingdom Interlinear Translation (pp. 10ff).

The translation committee has set forth the proposition that a modern translator may render the Greek words Kyrios and Theos as the divine name Jehovah (Yahweh) when the inspired Christian writers have quoted from the Hebrew Scriptures where the divine name appears.

Regrettably, once again the translation committee has followed this rule only when it does not contradicttheir theology. Philippians 2:10,11 serves as a perfect example. Scripture is clear that one day every knee will bow and every tongue confess that "Jesus Christ is Lord." However the Philippians passage is quoted from Isaiah 45:23 and here we are told that to Jehovah every knee will bow.

Therefore based on the Watchtower's own translation rule, the Lord spoken of in Philippians is none other than Jehovah. Further it is of interest to note that the 1950 edition of the New World Translation of the Christian Scriptures, which contained marginal cross references, cited Isaiah 45:23 as a cross reference to the Philippians 2:11 passage.

Numerous scholars with true credentials in the Biblical languages have condemned the Watchtower's New World Translation as a fatal distortion of God's written Word. For example, see The Bible Collector (luly-December, 1971) issue which devotes three articles evaluating the Watchtower scripture.

Thus it has been demonstrated above that the Watchtower Society has, by its own standards, proven its Bible translation to be unreliable and untrustworthy. Those desiring a modern translation would do well to invest in either the New American Standard Version or the New international Version of Scripture to escape the theological prejudice and Biblical untruths found in the New World Translation.

If a Jehovah's Witness Would Say...

"Our Bible is Reliable." The Christian should respond that no reputable Greek or Hebrew scholar has given an endorsement of the New World Translation. The Society has at times used both out-of-context quotations from scholars and antiqued statements to make it appear that there are those who give credence to this translation, but this version is only used by Jehovah's Witnesses to promulgate their doctrines.

You may also wish to note that it would be most beneficial if we could check out the scholarly abilities of the men who comprised the translation committee, but the Watchtower organization refuses to release their names or credentials. While some have stated that this is due to the humility of these men, others have made the claim that it is because these men have no qualifications to serve as accurate Bible translators.

Therefore the evidence found both within the Society's own Kingdom Interlinear Translation and other non-Watchtower sources, the latter claim appears to be most true. Remember it is not a sin to "make sure of all things" (1 Thessalonians 5:21) nor to try "them which say they are apostles" (Revelation 2:2).

An additional suggestion: If a Jehovah's Witness should ask who comprised the translation committee of the Bible you use, tell him you will be happy to find out. Inform the Watchtower follower that this information is available and accessible to those who desire to find it out. It is not hidden from nor denied to those who seek it. Some modern day versions of the Bible even include this information in the introduction section of the publication. The names and scholarly credentials for the translators of The New King James Version, The New International Version, The Revised Standard Version and The King James Version are all easily accessible.

The ]ehovah's Witnesses have and do use this type of smoke screen to catch Christians off guard. When Christians respond by providing the names and credentials of the men who comprised the various translations of Scripture, it again demonstrates the deceptiveness of the Watchtower Society.

One note of exception: The Watchtower's Reasoning book has cited the New American Standard Version as an example of a translation committee who refuses to divulge the identity of its members. While the Lockman Foundation, the publisher of the New American Standard Version, has, to date, not made known the names of its translation committee, it has provided its readers with numerous facts concerning the making of this translation as found in the preface.

Further, the Lockman Foundation has, over the past few years, increasingly made known more facts concerning the translation of the New American Standard Version. The Watchtower, unlike the Lockman Foundation, has consistently stated when challenged, that its translation will stand on its own. If the need arises the Christian may simply state that he (or she) will be happy to make use of a translation whose translation committee names are available -- if the]ehovah's Witness will find out the names of the NWT's translation committee.

For additional information dealing with the Jehovah's Witnesses' New World Translation see: The lehovah's Witnesses'New Testament by Dr. Robert Countess (Presbyterian and Reformed Publishing Company) and Apostles of Denial by Edmond C. Gruss (Baker Book House).

Kurt Goedelman is director of Personal Freedom Outreach, A Christian research ministry in St. Louis, Missouri.


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#1 Consumer Comment

yaweh? why not "i am who am" alpha omega"god does not need a name

AUTHOR: Milroy - (Australia)

Does god really need a name to identify him or her god is not even him or her god is a being or is god a being being implys a begining and end well then god is eternal. the need to name god is purile. is jesus god yes jesus is god.who can give eternal life only god can john 4 v14 god is a spirit john 4 v39 only god can judge..john 9 v 39 i came to the world to judge.who can give eternal life only god can john 10v28 my sheep listen to my voice i give them eternal life.john10v30 my father and i are one john1032 the father is in me and I in him.who can give life only god can john 11 v 17 lazarus was dead for 4 days and jesus brought him back to life.john11v25 i am the resurrection and the life whoever believes in me will live even though he dies.john 13v20 whoever receives me receives one who sent me john 14v7 now that you know me you will know the father also from now on you do not know him and you have seen him.

john14v9 lord show us the father that is all we need i have been with you all yet you do not know me whoever has seen me has seen the father and the father is in me. the words i have spokendo not come from me but the father who remains in me does his own workbelieve me when i say i am in the father and the father is in me.is jesus god? if jesus is not god and yet has the gifts of god then according to jw's there ought to be two gods then what about the holy spirit the mover that descended on the apostles on pentecost day and is similarly powerful, i will send one to befriend you.this holy spirit is the third god.Is not the trinity a very simple reality.our words are insufficient to compartmentalise and limit the description of gods nature. the reality is that we do have references to god as father "father into thy hands i commend my spirit" and several others and yet we do have statements of jesus confirming jesus is god " my father and I are one" before abrahm was i am.If there are three gods then which one is the most powerful or "the" god."In the begining was the word and the word was with god and the word became flesh"thus it is proven that jesus is god and gods presence being spiritual make god a spirit being. the triune nature of god...My brothers and sisters in christ jesus. kofie anan has said the war on iraq was an unjust war should we not take bush, blair and howard and all who have gone to war with iraq to an international court of justice and try them for crimes against humanity.all over the world humans are killing at random what is wrong with this good earth and its inhabitants.christ came two thousand years ago to preach a religion of love blessed are the peace makers for they shall be called children of god but the greatest democracy in the world with the highest number of believers have been instrumental in fighting many wars in the name of democracy or preventing the spread of communism and yet they are believers in jesus and god and the saints and profess to have the magna carta and seat of justice and the motto "in god we trust" in guns we trust is more a truism.jw's are great people who pound the streets making converts to their brand of faith but theirs is not a conversion of the non christian they go for the already converted who due to the lack of an indepth knowledge of their faith fall for the fallacious reasoning and attack the external practices of the visited. most oftern their converts have been in a vulnarable situation where there is a death or illhealth or unemployment and they have assisted the visited in their moment of need. Well this speaks reams for those who claim to possess the whole truth and do nothing to bring to the marginalised and the desperate succor and comfort in their time of need which the jws do because they comb the streets house to house.If only all christians were to combine our joint forces and take christs command" go preach the gospel to the ends of the earth" we would have one whole company of brothers and sisters in love with jesus and his gospel.the old adam in is does not want to live in peace even though we preach the same about christ. wwjd.

what would jesus do. he'd say you have turned my house into a den of thieves... clergy and layity alike lead lives far from being christ like. chlidren molested by the trusted ones,and all knds of other debauchery and abomination unto god. "you have turned my house into a den of thieves"
risiorgimento, renew,restore,be the salt of the earth the yeast, the lamp on a hill.we need saintly men and women saintly priests and nuns and saintly jws and pentecostals and fundamentalists and protestants and anglicans and lutherans and every kind of christian. why dont we choose the three weeks prior to the 24th of Dec (dont worry jws this is only a date and nothing to do with christmas)starting from the 1st of dec three weeks of fasting and prayer to invite god to renew the face of the earth. read the bible jws, catholics say the rosary and fast and do penance, anglicans do your thing whatever which brings you closer to god,all denominations who profess to be followers of christ "let us have three weeks of agape" lets pray for peace, for harmony, for holy living and live holily each and every one who reads this. lets us put aside our theological differences for three weeks of december 2004 and simply pray as jesus commanded.
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#2 Consumer Comment

WHAT ARE THEY SELLING? HOW MUCH DID YOU PAY FOR IT?

AUTHOR: CIERA - (U.S.A.)

This complaint does not make any sense what so ever

Are they selling something? How much did you pay for it?

They are not a company selling a product, either

you listen or you don't.

This is not the correct forum, for your debates

So how did you get ripped off? Are you serious with this?

You can do all the research you want, the truth

will stand for itself, whatever that may be

If you don't like it, don't listen to it

You don't have to pay for lies, like you do at

church, the Jehovah's Witnesses take donations

only, being a member in church is like having

another house payment, or car note

God said his word is free, so why do so many pay

for it?

Who's the real "Rip Off Artist"??????
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#3 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Nice article!

AUTHOR: A. Lee - (U.S.A.)

I've noticed the people that bashed your article either claim you have a lack of faith or claim that you're a disgruntled ex member with an agenda. None of them really debunk your claim.

As for another JW translation anomaly

Ex.3:14-15 reads, "And Elohim (Another name for God) said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and

That's how it's written in most bibles, yet in the JW bible, it's translated as "I shall prove to be as I shall prove to be".

Maybe it's because Jesus later said "
Before Abraham Was,
I AM" (Jn.8:58)"

In the JW bible, it's translated as "Before Abrhama was, I was", to something in that vein (I don't have the JW bible set before me.)

No reputable Bible translates "I AM" in any other way, except for bibles translated by Neo-Adventist Non-Trinitarians like the Church of God and other whackjob religions. (And guess who's the biggest Neo-Adventist Non Trinitarian church?)
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AUTHOR: gregory - (U.S.A.)

01-18-03

Dear Friend:

I found the following quote:

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10:27-28

Why do I need someone else to translate it?

I don't!

Religion defined:

The word religion is derived from the Latin noun religio, which denotes both earnest observance of ritual obligations and an inward spirit of reverence. In modern usage, religion covers a wide spectrum of meanings that reflect the enormous variety of ways the term can be interpreted. At one extreme, many committed believers recognize only their own tradition as a religion, understanding expressions such as worship and prayer to refer exclusively to the practices of their tradition. Although many believers stop short of claiming an exclusive status for their tradition, they may nevertheless use vague or idealizing terms in defining religionfor example, true love of God, or the path of enlightenment. At the other extreme, religion may be equated with ignorance, fanaticism, or wishful thinking.

By defining religion as a sacred engagement with what is taken to be a spiritual reality, it is possible to consider the importance of religion in human life without making claims about what it really is or ought to be. Religion is not an object with a single, fixed meaning, or even a zone with clear boundaries. It is an aspect of human experience that may intersect, incorporate, or transcend other aspects of life and society. Such a definition avoids the drawbacks of limiting the investigation of religion to Western or biblical categories such as monotheism (belief in one god only) or to church structure, which are not universal. For example, in tribal societies, religionunlike the Christian churchusually is not a separate institution but pervades the whole of public and private life. In Buddhism, gods are not as central as the idea of a Buddha (fully enlightened human being). In many traditional cultures the idea of a sacred cosmic order is the most prominent religious belief. Because of this variety, some scholars prefer to use a general term such as the sacred to designate the common foundation of religious life.

Religion in this understanding includes a complex of activities that cannot be reduced to any single aspect of human experience. It is a part of individual life but also of group dynamics. Religion includes patterns of behavior but also patterns of language and thought. It is sometimes a highly organized institution that sets itself apart from a culture, and it is sometimes an integral part of a culture. Religious experience may be expressed in visual symbols, dance and performance, elaborate philosophical systems, legendary and imaginative stories, formal ceremonies, meditative techniques, and detailed rules of ethical conduct and law. Each of these elements assumes innumerable cultural forms. In some ways there are as many forms of religious expression as there are human cultural environments.

Microsoft Encarta Reference Library 2002. 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Stop arguing about who is right and who is wrong, show compassion, help others. Until science proves what it all means we are all just guessing. However, even science can be biased.
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#5 Consumer Comment

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AUTHOR: gregory - (U.S.A.)

01-18-03

Dear Friend:

I found the following quote:

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10:27-28

Why do I need someone else to translate it?

I don't!

Religion defined:

The word religion is derived from the Latin noun religio, which denotes both earnest observance of ritual obligations and an inward spirit of reverence. In modern usage, religion covers a wide spectrum of meanings that reflect the enormous variety of ways the term can be interpreted. At one extreme, many committed believers recognize only their own tradition as a religion, understanding expressions such as worship and prayer to refer exclusively to the practices of their tradition. Although many believers stop short of claiming an exclusive status for their tradition, they may nevertheless use vague or idealizing terms in defining religionfor example, true love of God, or the path of enlightenment. At the other extreme, religion may be equated with ignorance, fanaticism, or wishful thinking.

By defining religion as a sacred engagement with what is taken to be a spiritual reality, it is possible to consider the importance of religion in human life without making claims about what it really is or ought to be. Religion is not an object with a single, fixed meaning, or even a zone with clear boundaries. It is an aspect of human experience that may intersect, incorporate, or transcend other aspects of life and society. Such a definition avoids the drawbacks of limiting the investigation of religion to Western or biblical categories such as monotheism (belief in one god only) or to church structure, which are not universal. For example, in tribal societies, religionunlike the Christian churchusually is not a separate institution but pervades the whole of public and private life. In Buddhism, gods are not as central as the idea of a Buddha (fully enlightened human being). In many traditional cultures the idea of a sacred cosmic order is the most prominent religious belief. Because of this variety, some scholars prefer to use a general term such as the sacred to designate the common foundation of religious life.

Religion in this understanding includes a complex of activities that cannot be reduced to any single aspect of human experience. It is a part of individual life but also of group dynamics. Religion includes patterns of behavior but also patterns of language and thought. It is sometimes a highly organized institution that sets itself apart from a culture, and it is sometimes an integral part of a culture. Religious experience may be expressed in visual symbols, dance and performance, elaborate philosophical systems, legendary and imaginative stories, formal ceremonies, meditative techniques, and detailed rules of ethical conduct and law. Each of these elements assumes innumerable cultural forms. In some ways there are as many forms of religious expression as there are human cultural environments.

Microsoft Encarta Reference Library 2002. 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Stop arguing about who is right and who is wrong, show compassion, help others. Until science proves what it all means we are all just guessing. However, even science can be biased.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Bible Translation

AUTHOR: gregory - (U.S.A.)

01-18-03

Dear Friend:

I found the following quote:

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10:27-28

Why do I need someone else to translate it?

I don't!

Religion defined:

The word religion is derived from the Latin noun religio, which denotes both earnest observance of ritual obligations and an inward spirit of reverence. In modern usage, religion covers a wide spectrum of meanings that reflect the enormous variety of ways the term can be interpreted. At one extreme, many committed believers recognize only their own tradition as a religion, understanding expressions such as worship and prayer to refer exclusively to the practices of their tradition. Although many believers stop short of claiming an exclusive status for their tradition, they may nevertheless use vague or idealizing terms in defining religionfor example, true love of God, or the path of enlightenment. At the other extreme, religion may be equated with ignorance, fanaticism, or wishful thinking.

By defining religion as a sacred engagement with what is taken to be a spiritual reality, it is possible to consider the importance of religion in human life without making claims about what it really is or ought to be. Religion is not an object with a single, fixed meaning, or even a zone with clear boundaries. It is an aspect of human experience that may intersect, incorporate, or transcend other aspects of life and society. Such a definition avoids the drawbacks of limiting the investigation of religion to Western or biblical categories such as monotheism (belief in one god only) or to church structure, which are not universal. For example, in tribal societies, religionunlike the Christian churchusually is not a separate institution but pervades the whole of public and private life. In Buddhism, gods are not as central as the idea of a Buddha (fully enlightened human being). In many traditional cultures the idea of a sacred cosmic order is the most prominent religious belief. Because of this variety, some scholars prefer to use a general term such as the sacred to designate the common foundation of religious life.

Religion in this understanding includes a complex of activities that cannot be reduced to any single aspect of human experience. It is a part of individual life but also of group dynamics. Religion includes patterns of behavior but also patterns of language and thought. It is sometimes a highly organized institution that sets itself apart from a culture, and it is sometimes an integral part of a culture. Religious experience may be expressed in visual symbols, dance and performance, elaborate philosophical systems, legendary and imaginative stories, formal ceremonies, meditative techniques, and detailed rules of ethical conduct and law. Each of these elements assumes innumerable cultural forms. In some ways there are as many forms of religious expression as there are human cultural environments.

Microsoft Encarta Reference Library 2002. 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Stop arguing about who is right and who is wrong, show compassion, help others. Until science proves what it all means we are all just guessing. However, even science can be biased.
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#7 Consumer Comment

Bible Translation

AUTHOR: gregory - (U.S.A.)

01-18-03

Dear Friend:

I found the following quote:

My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10:27-28

Why do I need someone else to translate it?

I don't!

Religion defined:

The word religion is derived from the Latin noun religio, which denotes both earnest observance of ritual obligations and an inward spirit of reverence. In modern usage, religion covers a wide spectrum of meanings that reflect the enormous variety of ways the term can be interpreted. At one extreme, many committed believers recognize only their own tradition as a religion, understanding expressions such as worship and prayer to refer exclusively to the practices of their tradition. Although many believers stop short of claiming an exclusive status for their tradition, they may nevertheless use vague or idealizing terms in defining religionfor example, true love of God, or the path of enlightenment. At the other extreme, religion may be equated with ignorance, fanaticism, or wishful thinking.

By defining religion as a sacred engagement with what is taken to be a spiritual reality, it is possible to consider the importance of religion in human life without making claims about what it really is or ought to be. Religion is not an object with a single, fixed meaning, or even a zone with clear boundaries. It is an aspect of human experience that may intersect, incorporate, or transcend other aspects of life and society. Such a definition avoids the drawbacks of limiting the investigation of religion to Western or biblical categories such as monotheism (belief in one god only) or to church structure, which are not universal. For example, in tribal societies, religionunlike the Christian churchusually is not a separate institution but pervades the whole of public and private life. In Buddhism, gods are not as central as the idea of a Buddha (fully enlightened human being). In many traditional cultures the idea of a sacred cosmic order is the most prominent religious belief. Because of this variety, some scholars prefer to use a general term such as the sacred to designate the common foundation of religious life.

Religion in this understanding includes a complex of activities that cannot be reduced to any single aspect of human experience. It is a part of individual life but also of group dynamics. Religion includes patterns of behavior but also patterns of language and thought. It is sometimes a highly organized institution that sets itself apart from a culture, and it is sometimes an integral part of a culture. Religious experience may be expressed in visual symbols, dance and performance, elaborate philosophical systems, legendary and imaginative stories, formal ceremonies, meditative techniques, and detailed rules of ethical conduct and law. Each of these elements assumes innumerable cultural forms. In some ways there are as many forms of religious expression as there are human cultural environments.

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Stop arguing about who is right and who is wrong, show compassion, help others. Until science proves what it all means we are all just guessing. However, even science can be biased.
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AUTHOR: Whisper - (U.S.A.)

Are you bint because maby they have higher standards on not praising one person over another? As for your First bible verses, i felt that Checking a few types of bible's would help me understand what the fuss was all about. I went to Bible.com .

American Standard version Of the Holy Bible
5:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; so neither can ye, except ye abide in me. 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for apart from me ye can do nothing. 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and
Amplified Bible (AMP)John 15:4

4Dwell in Me, and I will dwell in you. [Live in Me, and I will live in you.] Just as no branch can bear fruit of itself without abiding in (being vitally united to) the vine, neither can you bear fruit unless you abide in Me.
5I am the Vine; you are the branches. Whoever lives in Me and I in him bears much (abundant) fruit. However, apart from Me [cut off from vital union with Me] you can do nothing.

Where do these bible people come up with Union, does it not mean togetherness, are you trying to say that Christ will posses people?

Phill 2-10 and 12 Where every Knee will bow, is it not true that Jesus Christ is now King? And in Isaiah 45:23 that Jehovah is letting his then covent people know that he will still be in charge even though the other gods Bal and Nebo where very provaliant strong gods. You notice now that there is a new people of all nations toungs and tribes that are under Jesus as King.

I wonder who is more like Christ? Some one who only teaches to there established congrigation, or people whom not only model them selves after Christ, and do what Christ told them to- preach the good news to the entire inhabited world!
I am not in the job discription of recruiting, i am only an informer.Heck Im not even a Witness, yet.
I just get the feeling that you are the one recruiting, posing your website and mailing address, which i know you ask for donations because I once appon a time used to get your mailer. I found that your words in your mailer where not factual, and that You dissed other religions instead of mearly comparing them. It seems that you have a Chip on your sholder. Could it be that you have been rightly dissfelloshiped? I see alsorts of people online dissing JW, and Mormans, and more than most are Dissfelloshiped.. well no wonder! DUH? Am i seeing a pattern.
You have the right to let people know that Jws can prove there case, "smoke screen"? I dont think so. Oh and thank you for letting people know that they have more respect for there God than to put fame on them selves.
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