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Complaint Review: JOSH LINDSAY - SIX FIGURE CONSULTING/SIX FIGURES FROM HOME

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  • Submitted: Wed, September 10, 2008
  • Updated: Wed, November 24, 2010

  • Reported By:gilbert Arizona
JOSH LINDSAY - SIX FIGURE CONSULTING/SIX FIGURES FROM HOME
SALT LAKE CITY, Utah U.S.A.
  • Phone: 800-748-5196
  • Web:
  • Category: Tutoring

JOSH LINDSAY - SIX FIGURE CONSULTING SIX FIGURES FROM HOME SCAM CHEATERS,LIARS,FRAUD,CON ARTISTS SALT LAKE CITY Utah

*Consumer Comment: new company same owners

*UPDATE Employee: FYI

*Consumer Comment: FYI

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: REFUNDS ISSUED

*Consumer Comment: Ex-employee must be on something

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: REFUNDS ISSUED

*General Comment: Josh Lindsay appears to be working for new company

*Consumer Comment: Contact Information

*General Comment: Josh Lindsay

*Consumer Comment: Josh22 for shame

*General Comment: Shutdown

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: REFUNDS BEING ISSUED

*Consumer Comment: Six Figure has closed down

*Consumer Comment: I guess it's now clear you will not answer!

*Consumer Comment: I guess it's now clear you will not answer!

*Consumer Comment: I guess it's now clear you will not answer!

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Ronalds Questions

*Consumer Comment: Sorry, I miss quoted you Josh,

*Consumer Comment: Mr.Lindsay, you say I'm a scammer, LOL

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: CASE by CASE

*Consumer Comment: @Josh22

*Consumer Comment: BBB give them a D

*Consumer Comment: I too concieder my self as being scammed by 6 Figure

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Full disclosure Enclosed

*Consumer Comment: I work in the same building as these crooks!

*Consumer Comment: No You Must Be Confused

*Consumer Comment: You May Be Confused

*Consumer Comment: BBB Review of Six Figure Consulting

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Full Contact info Disclosed

*Consumer Suggestion: Josh your a Idiot

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Owner has open door policy

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Owner has open door policy

*Consumer Comment: SHAME ON YOU SCUMBAGS FOR RIPPING OFF A POOR,DISABLED WOMAN!

*Consumer Comment: Small problem

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Testimonials Tell the truth

*Consumer Comment: I can make up testimonials too!

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Testimonials Tell the truth

*Consumer Comment: Next time logout first

*Consumer Comment: $20k in Six Months

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Six Figure Presses Charges.

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These guys took close to 10 thousand dollars from my mother who has been in a wheelchair for the last 25 years. They promised she would make money within the first 3 months and the only thing that has happened is she has spent more money than she can afford trying to pay her credit card monthly. She was already poor just trying to survive when these guys called her and promised her she would make some extra money with big-name companies. It's all a lie!!! They won't refund her card and won't help us at all.

Eric
gilbert, Arizona
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

new company same owners

AUTHOR: JbuggNYC - (United States of America)

If you have not received a refund from these guys its because they closed one company and opened a new one. They are making money and have money to refund, but you have to complain to state officials and federal officers. Here is how I got my refund.

Nicholas Johnson & Jeff Nielson are former owners of 6 figure as shown at the BBB.

http://www.bbb.org/utah/business-reviews/advertising-and-marketing-agencies/six-figure-consulting-in-salt-lake-city-ut-22220703

Now they are operating under a different name Online Success INC. They are not registered with the state or BBB to avoid people finding them. But there address is listed as 7440s Creek Road Place, Sandy UT 84093

I complained to the Utah Consumer Protection Agency & the FTC. According to the FTC this company is already under investigation Case # 27851383.

If you complain to those agencies about this being the same owners and the same company you will surely get your refund fast. It took me 14 days and I purchased 12 months ago!

Hope this helps..............
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#2 UPDATE Employee

FYI

AUTHOR: TRUTH - (United States of America)

This marketing Dirt Guy is obviously out for revenge. I find it interesting that marketing dirt can be friends with Nic Johnson on Facebook and post lies and slander on rip off report? WOW WHAT A GOOD FRIEND? He obviously doesn't know that Josh and Nic split, the party photos on the page, was an industry party, because i was there. Its been nearly 6 months since they worked together and still some douche continues to post nonsense? YOU WATCH MARKETING DIRT OR SOME OTHER HATER WILL MAKE A NEW POST RIGHT AFTER THIS, WITH NO FACTS, JUST SLANDER OPINION?

GET A LIFE PEOPLE................
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#3 Consumer Comment

FYI

AUTHOR: MarketingDirt - (USA)

Since my post a few days ago, the facebook album for Josh Lindsay and Nicholas Johnson's company Christmas party has been removed.  The link has also been updated at 6figuremedia.com and the "legal" contact is now someone named Zack, not Josh. 

By the way, the business address Mr. Lindsay provided is not legitimate.  The address 4760 S Highland Drive #222 is a UPS store where individuals can rent mail boxes. 

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#4 UPDATE EX-employee responds

REFUNDS ISSUED

AUTHOR: TRUTH - (United States of America)

I am sorry for your loss, but know that it will be remedied. I know they handed over all their assets/cash to the state of utah. If i were you i would ask why you didn't get a refund and others did? 
I'm not trying to stir hate, I'm just trying to explain my side thats all. I saw what took place first hand, and sold happy customers to this day, As far as your refund someone outside of six figure made that decision as why you were not on the list? Again the point is complain about the company not the individual.
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#5 Consumer Comment

Ex-employee must be on something

AUTHOR: Ronald - (U.S.A.)

I see you didn't list your name, why not?  If you took the time to read all the complaints against them you would know that they didnot refund money to people they scammed. I tried less then 2 months after being scammed by them. Your statements are 180 degrees out of sync with everyone elses expierences.  If as you attempt to emply, they were a honest and consumer responsible company they would still be in business and would not have been closed down by the Utah Consumer Agency! They were shut down and fined, and you have the nerve to try and tell us they were a good company to do business with?  They refused to discuss a refund with me every time I contacted Josh or any of his minion. You sound like Josh himself with your unbelievable statements, except your a better writer!  I met a person who worked in the same buillding as SFC and was told how they operated and what was heard going on in the call center.  How your buddies laughted and belittled the customers who fell for the scam and signed up.  Yes, they were a good company all right, if you worked there and took home some of the money scammed from people who couldn't affort it!  So don't try to BS us, we are not in the mood to hear it.  If your so proud, give us your name and phone number or are you a fake?
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#6 UPDATE EX-employee responds

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AUTHOR: TRUTH - (United States of America)

I used to work at Six Figure before it closed its doors. The majority of the people writing on this forum know nothing about the company or the people involved. It was a great place to work, employees were treated with respect, alot of time was spent by the owners teaching self worth and development. I saw alot of employees become better people just by working their, including myself.
As to the rip off claims, thats absolutely false? As everyone knows six figure merely sold THRIVE or APPLY KNOWLEDGE products. Both of those companies are still in business and were in charge of all the service and products sold, not six figure. I know this because I worked on the phone and once a month the coaching company came up and did a training to teach us how to sell their products? Which by the way work, maybe not for everyone, but how can you say they don't work when i have people that i sold that still e-mail me to tell me about their e-bay business?

Six Figure closed its doors, sold its assets and refunded more than $500k? They also gave a large portion to the state of Utah to distribute the rest according to the BBB. They easily could have ran, kept the money and not refunded, but they didnt? Did they make mistakes, i guess or they would still be in business. But I believe they did the right thing by refunding, and closing its doors the right way? 

To me its obvious that these posts are personal attacks on the owners, and that is not just? If you want to attack the business, by all means go ahead, did it fail yes! But to criticize a person personally without any knowledge is evil, and online will do damage forever. I'm sure the person writing comments has not approached the owners. 1. they would remedy the situation no matter what the cost, i have seen this first hand. 2. they go online because of fear, jealousy, or any other hate that drives people to tear others down.

If you know the owners you know they work hard, tell the truth, care about others, and have feelings too. Be the bigger person and complain about the business you did business with not the human being who you have never met or affiliated with?
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#7 General Comment

Josh Lindsay appears to be working for new company

AUTHOR: MarketingDirt - (United States of America)

Here is some information you may find useful about Josh Lindsay and his business practices.

1. One of Josh Lindsay's business partners at Six Figure Consulting was Nicholas Johnson.  This information can be confirmed by reading (poorly written) articles that Josh posted on multiple websites (you can confirm my Google-ing both names together). 

2. Nicholas Johnson is the principal of Six Figure Media, which is registered in Nevada.  You can view information about Six Figure Media through The Better Business Bureau (bbb.org).  Not surprisingly, the company has an F rating.

3. Nicholas Johnson's company, Six Figure Media, has a website at 6figuremedia.com.  If you go to the "contact us" page and scroll over the link that says "LEGAL" you will see that the email is for josh@6figuremedia.com.  I am willing to bet this is Josh Lindsay's email account.

4. Although Six Figure Consulting is out of business, Josh Lindsay and Nicholas Johnson held a company Christmas party together in December 2009 (according to Nicholas Johnson's public Facebook page).

My conclusion is that Josh Lindsay continues to do business with Nicholas Johnson under the new entity Six Figure Media.  Since having his name attached to anything will probably thwart customers, the new company has been organized so his involvement is not obvious.

There are a few additional comments I'd like to make.  It is my opinion that Josh Lindsay is an illegitimate businessman.  His companies appear to have no real business model except collect as many credit card numbers as possible and process transactions.  If you read anything he has written about his business, there is nothing clear about what services are actually performed.  Everything is vague and embellished.  He is not even a good writer which makes it somewhat comical.  I don't expect him to be a good writer since he didn't go to college, but he doesn't even have the common sense to hire a writer.

I know of Josh Lindsay through a close friend who was scammed.  What goes around comes around, and Josh Lindsay's scams will eventually end in hardship for him.  I can only imagine he tosses and turns at night wondering when his lies will catch up.  Josh Lindsay probably believes he is smarter than his customers and he will outwit them, but there are many intelligent people working right now to stop him.  I am truly sorry for everyone who has been scammed.  Josh Lindsay should be ashamed.

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#8 Consumer Comment

Contact Information

AUTHOR: Deborah - (U.S.A.)

Interesting Mr. Lindsay.... You contact information is 801-944-0838? This is the number I have on file from my paperwork as well. Sorry to inform you tjhat your telephone number is disconnected. The cell phone number given to me by Mr. Redd 801-709-4477 is answered by a child on the voicemail.
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#9 General Comment

Josh Lindsay

AUTHOR: Shirley - (United States of America)

If you would please give me your e-mail address I will deal with you directly with my case. You definately have mine look on the 6 figure order form.


respectfully,


Shirley

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#10 Consumer Comment

Josh22 for shame

AUTHOR: Shirley - (United States of America)

Josh22 would like to call you at(((Redacted))) but that number has been disconnected. Do you have another number where you can be reached??

CLICK here to see why Rip-off Report, as a matter of policy, deleted either a phone number, link or e-mail address from this Report.


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#11 General Comment

Shutdown

AUTHOR: Chrisso - (U.S.A.)

Just FYI this "legitimate" business has been shutdown.
The BBB reports an F rating for the following reasons:

  • 33 complaints filed against business
  • Failure to respond to 2 complaints filed against business.
  • 6 complaints filed against business that were not resolved.
  • Government action(s) against business.


http://www.bbb.org/utah/business-reviews/advertising-and-marketing-agencies/six-figure-consulting-in-salt-lake-city-ut-22220703
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#12 UPDATE EX-employee responds

REFUNDS BEING ISSUED

AUTHOR: Josh22 - (U.S.A.)


I worked at Six Figure for almost 2 years. I can honestly say it was a great company to work for and they helped over 2000 students build a home base business. I personally keep in contact with every one of my students. I have 15 right now making more than $5000 a month with their business? As far as Randy Beaufort he is real, in fact i have had my students call him for a live testimonial.
Unfortunately due to the economy Six Figure is out of business, They sold their assets, and refunded over $500,000 to clients enrolled. The key was to communicate directly with Six Figure for the refund, they would work out a fair compromise anywhere from 50%-100% refund in most cases. I do know that they had little tolerance for slander online as it can never be removed, therefore the damage is done. This damage costs them thousands in PR. I know that if you would have contacted them directly before your slander you would have received your refund.
As far as THRIVE ,they create success stories daily, i know this because some of them are mine. I like knowing that i helped someone make $1200 so they can now afford their wife's medication, or $2200 to start saving for their only sons college education. out of 2000 + clients yes 5-10 will not be happy, but complaining online is futile. Express your concern to the company, settle on a refund and move forward. Both parties win?

I wish you the best of luck ......
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#13 Consumer Comment

Six Figure has closed down

AUTHOR: Ronald - (U.S.A.)

It appears these bandits have folded there tent and run!  Who knows when and where they will surface, but I bet they will!  Will be interesting to see how long before Thrive Learning does the same?
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#14 Consumer Comment

I guess it's now clear you will not answer!

AUTHOR: Ronald - (U.S.A.)

Give me a break, Josh, it's clear you will not answer any specific questions. You just ignore them and reply with your companies script. You continue to make misstatements, why is that? The last time I took advantage of "Thrives on line training" was 5/26/09, as shown on there site. I signed up with you on 3/11/09, hardly 6 months. They have a date next to each of there video's! Yet you state I have used it for 6 months. I have screen captures of all the Thrive on line pages. Yes, I have registered my complaint with numerous State and Federal agency's and intent to follow through with each. Being retired I have the time and the desire to see this through. I have only stated the truth in my complaints and you have failed to rebut any of the facts. Could it be you cannot?

In your statement in the above box, why would you be concerned about charge backs if your so successful with your clients and they get what they pay for? I know I'm asking in vain because you will never answer a specific question. Prove me wrong.
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#15 Consumer Comment

I guess it's now clear you will not answer!

AUTHOR: Ronald - (U.S.A.)

Give me a break, Josh, it's clear you will not answer any specific questions. You just ignore them and reply with your companies script. You continue to make misstatements, why is that? The last time I took advantage of "Thrives on line training" was 5/26/09, as shown on there site. I signed up with you on 3/11/09, hardly 6 months. They have a date next to each of there video's! Yet you state I have used it for 6 months. I have screen captures of all the Thrive on line pages. Yes, I have registered my complaint with numerous State and Federal agency's and intent to follow through with each. Being retired I have the time and the desire to see this through. I have only stated the truth in my complaints and you have failed to rebut any of the facts. Could it be you cannot?

In your statement in the above box, why would you be concerned about charge backs if your so successful with your clients and they get what they pay for? I know I'm asking in vain because you will never answer a specific question. Prove me wrong.
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#16 Consumer Comment

I guess it's now clear you will not answer!

AUTHOR: Ronald - (U.S.A.)

Give me a break, Josh, it's clear you will not answer any specific questions. You just ignore them and reply with your companies script. You continue to make misstatements, why is that? The last time I took advantage of "Thrives on line training" was 5/26/09, as shown on there site. I signed up with you on 3/11/09, hardly 6 months. They have a date next to each of there video's! Yet you state I have used it for 6 months. I have screen captures of all the Thrive on line pages. Yes, I have registered my complaint with numerous State and Federal agency's and intent to follow through with each. Being retired I have the time and the desire to see this through. I have only stated the truth in my complaints and you have failed to rebut any of the facts. Could it be you cannot?

In your statement in the above box, why would you be concerned about charge backs if your so successful with your clients and they get what they pay for? I know I'm asking in vain because you will never answer a specific question. Prove me wrong.
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#17 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Ronalds Questions

AUTHOR: Josh22 - (U.S.A.)

I will answer your concerns......
We put those clauses in the contract to protect ourselves from clients performing chargebacks 6-12 months after they have purchased. It also allows us to go after the client in court if they used the materials and attempted to claim fraud on their credit card company. "Like you chargeback you claimed fraud" So the credit cards look at you claim "Fraud" and we submit your usage of the product. Then they decide an outcome . If you win you get you r money back, if we win we can decide to sue you and press charges fro credit card fraud.
That is why this is n the contract?

Ronald you contacted your state agencies and i have forwarded them you usage of the program and contracts you signed. These state agencies usually take 6-12 months to settle. I wish you would have been more reasonable and tried to settle this with us, based on 6 months worth of product use? But asking for a full refund 6 months later is hardly fair?

Lets wait and see what happens the 6-12 months, hopefully they will move faster in your case and it can be settled fr you?
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#18 Consumer Comment

Sorry, I miss quoted you Josh,

AUTHOR: Ronald - (U.S.A.)

After re-reading your post you were not calling me a scammer, so I apologize.
However my other comments still apply, plus the following:

You state in your 7/29 post above "THIRD WE DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THRIVE LEARNING INSTITUTE." WHAT????? How did I end up with them if you don't do business with them? I guess you really, really, owe me a refund for being registered with the wrong company! Whats the truth, we all are waiting?
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#19 Consumer Comment

Mr.Lindsay, you say I'm a scammer, LOL

AUTHOR: Ronald - (U.S.A.)

Suggest you look up the definition! It's interesting how you attempt to slander me. I have kept my comments on point about your business performance, or lack there of. Why do you see fit not to answer anyone's specific comments? Please show me another Company or Business that includes in it's contract the following:
"D. The effective date of this agreement shall be the date upon which User tenders consideration for the Trade Cancellation No Refund Policy applies."

"D. If purchasing by credit card or charge card, that the client permanently and Irrevocably waives any and all right to cause a "charge back" that client agrees to pay the minimum amount of five thousand dollars ($5,000) to Six Figure Consulting as damages."

I as well as others find the above very interesting as possible issues at law. I suggest you stick to the issue and statements made in a factual discussion of yours and other comments and re frame from the personal attacks you say you dislike so. This after you calling a submitter a "fat ass". Hardly a Christian comment! Reminds me of a old saying ......"Just Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any More than standing in your garage makes you a Car".
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#20 REBUTTAL Owner of company

CASE by CASE

AUTHOR: Josh22 - (U.S.A.)

Each case is reviewed individually based on the usage of the products and clients are refunded accordingly.
My job is take care of each customer one by one, but again dont attack my character, my family, or my faith. Every clients success is different so each success or failure is handled differently. Imagine yourself having people post things about you online that can never be removed? Ronald Winneberger scammer....and it was their forever? How would that make you feel? This website is run by a felon, did you know that? Check your sources.

We will continue to take care of each customer case by case, we have worked with over 1000 in the last year and have had less than 5% complain?
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#21 Consumer Comment

@Josh22

AUTHOR: Karleen - (U.S.A.)

Josh, you say you are a christian (sic). I wonder, in the situation you are in, what would Jesus do?
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#22 Consumer Comment

BBB give them a D

AUTHOR: Justjasen - (U.S.A.)

Taken straight from the BBB National search:

BBB Rating for Six Figure Consulting Corp

Based on BBB files, Six Figure Consulting Corp has a BBB Rating of D.
Reasons for this rating include:

* 13 complaints filed against business
* Government action(s) against business.

I have never dealt with this company, but felt it was necessary to point out some BASIC information that a simple search could find.

Here is a link to the report on bbb.org:

http://www.bbb.org/utah/business-reviews/advertising-and-marketing-agencies/six-figure-consulting-in-salt-lake-city-ut-22220703

My advice... stay clear away from them, consult an attorney if they have scammed you, and spread the word that they should not be trusted as per the Better Business Bureau.
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#23 Consumer Comment

I too concieder my self as being scammed by 6 Figure

AUTHOR: Ronald - (U.S.A.)

Mr. Josh Lidsay, your comments about you and your family are impressive! However, your companies actual business practices tend to cast doubt on them. Your salesmen make claims and promises to sell the program that are not factual. My wife and I were on the phone and both heard very clearly,what was promised by Mr. Johnson if we signed up. First we were never told we were signing up for Thrive Learning. We were told and my written agreement states " The Six-Figure Mentoring Group". Mr. Johnson stated "You will have an online business up and running with-in 30 days". We would see income in the range of "$500 to $5000 with this business. Everything required to accomplish this was included in your program. Both statments proved false! We put in untold hours watching Thrives video's and watching webinars. After 90 days we still did not have a business operation. Plus we were being asked to buy additional programs or services, what happened to the all inclusive package? One of the most important parts of any business, is the protection of assets, so forming a Corp. or LLC should be a part of the package, it's not. I was told you don't do that and I was referred to a lawyer in NY to do this for $900 and a monthly fee. I did it myself without any help from your Mentoring group, for $255. Your salesmen are slick talkers and make promises they should know will not be kept. If as you state, your running a "honest and successful business" then be an honest business man and and refund peoples money when your company doesn't deleiver on promises made. Your company has $12,500 of our money and we expect you to refund it for non performance of your sales pitch. I have received your written replies to my 2 letters and know where you stand on this matter. Interestingly you never responded to my reply pointing out the errors in your responce?
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#24 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Full disclosure Enclosed

AUTHOR: Josh22 - (U.S.A.)

It's never a good feeling to read a review on your character, when the person posting the review does not even know you. First and for most our company info is and always has been posted on our website at www.6figureconsulting.com Second WE ARE NOT ASSOCIATED WITH GOOGLE TREASURECHEST, AND THIRD WE DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THRIVE LEARNING INSTITUTE.

It is true that we hire and train business consultants here in SLC. Whether they are 25 and fresh out of college or 53 and former business managers we do not discriminate to who we bring on board , and all have become assets to helping our clients succeed. As far as sales...YES we sell business products and services which include, Websites, products to sell, software tools to eliminate error, videos to demonstrate integration, and experts that are there 14 hrs a day to help clients overcome obstacles. YES THIS IS A BUSINESS FOR US? The good news is we have a 74 % success rate with our students who purchase our products. Success is different for everyone.....Some of our students make $400 a month selling radio helicopters, others $7500 a month selling bean bags, and our most successful students market 3-4 websites, sell 100's of products and make SIX FIGURES A YEAR?
Do we provide a guarantee......YES! We guarantee results as well as your satisfaction, and if you are not satisfied we will work with you at our cost, until you are completely satisfied.

Will everyone be successful.....NO! But just like college you are not guaranteed you will succeed in life, or guaranteed an income, YOU ARE GUARANTEED A SOLID EDUCATION!!!!
SIX FIGURE PROVIDES THE BEST ONLINE EDUCATION IN WORLD!!!!

As to the point of questioning my character and integrity of being involved in scams? I am severely hurt by these comments and resent the person who has the audacity to claim such fraud!
I am a good person, a good husband and father. I frequently donate to charity, participate heavily in my community. I was a national seminar speaker for 2 years promoting self help material to change peoples lives. I am of christian faith, and know I will be with my family forever after this life. I have never done drugs and never tasted alcohol and am proud of my self discipline that i have maintained since my athletic career. I was an all star athlete and for went full ride football scholarships to serve my church for two years in France.
Every day I focus on becoming a better person both personally and in business, so if you want to attack me atleast have the decency to pick up the phone or come into my office and we can chat about your complaints, but don't post information online that can never be removed (due to freedom of speech) and call it legit.

Be a man or a woman and waddle your fat ass on down here and we can discuss the facts, as far as the rest of the consumers go. Please feel free to contact me direct below......

4760s Highland Drive #222
SLC UT 84117
801-944-0838 xt #203
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#25 Consumer Comment

I work in the same building as these crooks!

AUTHOR: Jhor - (U.S.A.)

I work in the same building as this "company". They tell people that they are calling from Google. The guys that work there wear "Thrive Learning Institute" hats. You would not believe what they tell people on the phone. They tell them that they will be making $7k per month and they tell people that they can give them a written guarantee of this. I have heard them ask people how much money they have in their 401k's, if they are willing to open up another credit card so that they can use "OPM" *other people's money* to invest.
It honestly makes me sick to think of people that are getting involved with this company.
They are associated with Google Treasure Chest. I believe that Google Treasure Chest gives the contact information to Six Figure and they call the people that fell for the Google Treasure Chest Scam.
These kids call themselves "Google Consultants".

You can find them at 2755 E. Cottonwood Pky 4th Floor, SLC UT 84121.

Josh Lindsay has been involved in other scams like this. They train their sales people to use high pressure tactics to include 3 way calls with credit card companies.

I used to wonder how people could get sucked in to scams like this. After hearing the things they say on the phone it is no wonder people fall for it. They are slick and with a "guarantee" how could you go wrong? Don't give up if they have taken your money! Call the Utah BBB and get them shut down; they are despicable.
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#26 Consumer Comment

No You Must Be Confused

AUTHOR: Rachel - (U.S.A.)

Terri:

I don't know if you didn't look hard enough or if you are just lying about visiting the BBB website, because when I went to the BBB website after receiving two phone calls from this Josh Lindsay guy and reading this blog I found the exact same report that Ryan found; all he did was copy and paste the Government Action section of the BBB report for Six Figure Consulting. I cannot say that Mr. Lindsay is a scammer because I have not spoken with him directly or visited his website, but I do trust the BBB report. I also have to include that in the BBB report there were nine complaints filed against this company through the BBB and all nine complaints were resolved; I'm not sure if the above mentioned violations are associated with any of the complaints that were resolved through the BBB. (Personally, knowing that governmental action had to be taken against this company due to them withholding information, making false statements, fraud, and whatever other deceitful action that were taken by this company is enough for me to put them on my "Rejected List"; whether everything was resolved or not!!!!
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#27 Consumer Comment

You May Be Confused

AUTHOR: Terrie - (U.S.A.)

Ryan,

Was it the BBB or the Utah Div of Consumer Protection....? You mention both in your comment above. I went to the BBB's website and could find nothing on Six Figure Consulting. I went to the UT Div of Consumer Protection and could find nothing on Six Figure Consulting.....? Where, exactly, are you getting your information?
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#28 Consumer Comment

BBB Review of Six Figure Consulting

AUTHOR: Ryan - (U.S.A.)

On March 24, 2009 the Utah Division of Consumer Protection issued an Administrative Citation against Six Figure Consulting Corp and Josh Lindsay ("Respondents"). Through an investigation it was found that: a) the Respondents failed to orally advise a consumer of a three-day right to cancel a transaction as required by the Telephone Fraud Prevention Act for the State of Utah; b) the Respondents failed to refund a consumer within thirty (30) days of a valid cancellation under the Telephone Fraud Prevention Act for the State of Utah; c) the Respondents made or caused to be made an untrue material statement and/or failed to disclose a material fact in connection with a telephone solicitation; d) the Respondents made an untrue material statement in the Contract with regards to the representation that a consumer would receive legal counsel as part of their transaction; and e) the Respondents made or caused to be made an untrue material statement in the Contract with regards to the effective date of the transaction. The actions stated were charged as a total of six (6) counts of violation with a potential maximum fine of $15,000.
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#29 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Full Contact info Disclosed

AUTHOR: Josh22 - (U.S.A.)

Josh Lindsay
4740s highland drive
SLC UT 84117
801-944-0838

Any real consumers please feel free to contact me direct.
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#30 Consumer Suggestion

Josh your a Idiot

AUTHOR: Me - (U.S.A.)

Josh your a idiot what you do is rip people off and hide behind a computer ... wow you really are a man of your word .... NOT
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#31 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Owner has open door policy

AUTHOR: Josh22 - (U.S.A.)

By the frequent post on this website I can only assume that this would be the same angry sales man.
I have yet to receive your call all questions will be answered and solved today if you will just call me. I find it surprising that you are soooo angry but refuse to speak in person.

Give me your number I will call you to make it easy?
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#32 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Owner has open door policy

AUTHOR: Josh22 - (U.S.A.)

By the frequent post on this website I can only assume that this would be the same angry sales man.
I have yet to receive your call all questions will be answered and solved today if you will just call me. I find it surprising that you are soooo angry but refuse to speak in person.

Give me your number I will call you to make it easy?
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#33 Consumer Comment

SHAME ON YOU SCUMBAGS FOR RIPPING OFF A POOR,DISABLED WOMAN!

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

There are still some people left who are overawed by the Internet and aren't wise to all of the possible scams that can be done on it.

I AM WONDERING HOW THEY GOT THIS POOR WOMAN'S PHONE NUMBER TO CALL HER AT HOME IN THE FIRST PLACE.

ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I LEARNED WAS NEVER TO PUT MY REAL PHONE NUMBER ON THE INTERNET!

WHO TAUGHT THIS LADY WHO TO USE THE INTERNET AND DID NOT TELL HER ABOUT THE SCAMSTERS OUT THERE??????

THIS IS THE PERSON WHO SHOULD BE TAKING A LOT OF THE BLAME!

I HOPE THAT WHOEVER IS LOOKING OUT FOR HER SUES THE SCAMSTERS WHO SOLD HER ON THAT WORK FROM HOME GARBAGE!

I WISH I WAS THE PRESIDING JUDGE WHEN THAT CASE COMES TO COURT!

I hope the child of the victim gets her money back and SOME HUGE exemplary damages for her as well.

Good luck!

SHAME ON THE CON ARTISTS WHO PREY ON THE ELDERLY AND DISABLED!
MAY YOU ROT IN AN ETERNALLY BLAZING HELL!
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#34 Consumer Comment

Small problem

AUTHOR: Chrisso - (U.S.A.)

There is yet another problem with your response. Let me show you

"I have no problem explaining to you exactly how and why we contacted google. Gmail is owned by google, so when an email is sent the IP address is logged into g-mails system to prevent spam or any other illegal activity"

Yes gmail is owned by google. But you make a very large assumption that the person was using gmail. When you login, yes, your ip address is in fact logged. Yes you can get access to these logs with a court order. However there are several problems with doing this:

1.) What was posted here was not even CLOSE to enough to allow you a court order to get anything.

"Once our attorneys contacted them it was easy for them to trace the e-mail due to a time and date stamp as well as the destination"

2.)Yes a time and date stamp does reduce the number of emails you would need to go through to somewhere in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Then apply the filter of coming from ripoffreport and I bet you are still in the tens of thousands. Then you would have to dig through each account to find emails relating to this topic specifically. Waaaay too much time, and no way you would get a warrant or subpoena that broad.

3.) Let's say that you did in fact get a court order to get those logs. You really just spent several thousand dollars in attorney fees(to petition for the right to get the logs, and then again to get the name of the company using the IP that posted from them), and tech fees (to dig through the logs) so that you could point a finger? Either your lying, or not a very savvy businessman.


"As far as our testimonials go they are legit and you can contact them via there website to confirm their success"

Assuming I actually go to the few websites that are actually up and don't try to install malware on my machine?

"I find it amusing that you will continue to post response but have NO desire to speak in person or via phone as you have something to hide."

Who says that I haven't already had your lackeys calling me?
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#35 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Testimonials Tell the truth

AUTHOR: Josh22 - (U.S.A.)

I have no problem explaining to you exactly how and why we contacted google. Gmail is owned by google, so when an email is sent the IP address is logged into g-mails system to prevent spam or any other illegal activity. Once our attorneys contacted them it was easy for them to trace the e-mail due to a time and date stamp as well as the destination. This is how we recovered that information. As far as our testimonials go they are legit and you can contact them via there website to confirm their success.
I find it amusing that you will continue to post response but have NO desire to speak in person or via phone as you have something to hide.

FEEL FREE TO CONTACT ME DIRECTLY AT 801-944-0838 X 203

Our students continue to Thrive with our system hence the growth we are experiencing.
Stop hiding behind your posts and call me.
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#36 Consumer Comment

I can make up testimonials too!

AUTHOR: Chrisso - (U.S.A.)

I seriously doubt the authenticity of your claims Josh22. First mistake, and I quote:
"I contacted my attorney and we issued a subpoena to google to retrieve the IP address of where the complaint was filed."

Google would have NO record of who filed the report, as the report was not filed with google. It was filed to ripoffreport.

As for your "Testimonials" they mean little to nothing, because frankly they are VERY easy to make up. After looking at your website too it doesn't exactly inspire confidence. It is absolutely RIDDLED with grammar and spelling errors. Kind of funny how multiple people make the same errors in different testimonies. Coincidence? I think not.
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#37 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Testimonials Tell the truth

AUTHOR: Josh22 - (U.S.A.)

My name is Trevor Whorne of www.yellmarketingonline.com. I live in Cornwall in England, and I have been wandering around the edges of Internet 'stuff for a few years now, reading this and checking that and taking one step forward and usually two (or more) steps back. I had been feeling around in the dark hoping that by some wonderful chance, I would stumble on the right thing'. I will admit, I hesitated and then I thought to myself, I do need help so I went for it. I have been training with my coach Jacob from Six Figure Consulting for about 10 weeks now and we have made amazing progress! When you consider that we started completely from scratch, and are not finished yet, upon checking Google, not only was one of my pages ranked number 41 for native remedies in google. (which is not bad since there are over 8 million sites) but also our keyword search for the main page (custom nutritional supplement) site showed it was in the top 10 of Google and, once the links are completed, it should be number one easily. Similar stories also apply to the other search engines we have checked out! Pretty good, I reckon, plus I have learnt a huge amount, which I can use to extend my site should I wish, and I have expert Six Figure Consulting support in the background should I have any issues, and being such a newbie' I am sure I will have questions to ask. So Thanks again Six Figure Consulting! Keep up the good work!
Trevor Whorne www.YellowMarketingOnline.com
My trainer with Six Figure Consulting was diligent, and understanding. He took me stage by stage through the process of building a web site. The result is www.ezygonhair.com A site dedicated to giving full and unbiased information on hair removal systems.
Chris Powell www.ezygonhair.com
It has been exactly 1 week to the day since we signed up with Six Figure Learning and today we can actually say that we have a website up and running AND made our first sale! Following the plan laid out by Six Figure, my husband, Dave, and I found a great niche and proceeded to find a dropship supplier - actually, we have three different suppliers who are REAL dropshippers, not those suppliers listed in the various ebooks promoted online who actually charge significantly more than you can buy the items for on eBay!
With the help of Team 2 in finding a niche and getting started, along with the technical support team at Lightwave, we have worked back and forth between the two of you to create our fully functional website,www.theneed4speed.com. With no previous experience creating websites, we got the site up and running in only one week and have spent the ensuing time fine-tuning it and preparing for search engine submissions, and have an arsenal of new products to list in the coming weeks. We haven't spent anything on inventory since we place the items from the suppliers on the site and it looks like we have a fully stocked warehouse.
As I mentioned earlier, we made our first sale this weekend to a gentleman in the United Kingdom. He searched the web for a particular RC helicopter that is not available in the UK and he found our site - even before we actually had the chance to list it on Google and the other search engines. (I actually found out that we are already listed on Google without submitting the site!) He called a couple of times while we arranged for shipping to the UK and he was so pleased that we were actually able to get it for him that he is looking at other items to buy from us.
The sale was $109.95 and we paid the dropshipper $71.95, for a $38.00 profit - that's no small change! The holiday season is only just beginning, and we hope to get many more orders - this was certainly a great start, and we aren't even on most of the search engines yet! I have created a blog and am planning to write and submit a press release.
Thank you, Team 2 - Isac, Jennifer and Steve, I've dealt with the 3 of you most often - your help in addition to the eLibrary videos in a continuing capacity is above and beyond what we expected when we signed on with Six Figure!
Ilene and Dave Baranowitz - www.theneed4speed.com
I have attained in a very short time a 3rd down first page on Google and MSN with my site Multiple Incomes. People are finding my site www.tjmccandless.com and I think they are learning about the various types of income from the site. I believe I have something of interest to a lot of people on my site
Tony McCandless www.TJMcCandless.com
Because of My 6 Figure Real Estate Consultant, I am now actively pursuing deals that I would have never previously considered. I now see opportunity where before there were only insurmountable financial obstacles. Case in point: Distressed Seller in (Pre-preforeclosure sitting on a 1.2 million dollar custom home who can't make the payments and has fallen behind two payments. Without any of my money in play, I now know I can get into a contract to buy with a option to sell. I can also get a release of authorization that will allow me to begin negotiations with the lender and potentially allow me to be in a very profitable position. Thank you Six Figure Consulting!
Sam and Rita Rasmussen
I have attained in a very short time a 3rd down first page on Google and MSN with my site Multiple Incomes. People are finding my site www.tjmccandless.com and I think they are learning about the various types of income from the site. I believe I have something of interest to a lot of people on my site
Diana Smith www.LifeBeyondThePain.com
I have enjoyed working with everyone and hope to do so in the future. I hope to make a lot of money with my site selling outdoor gear and have a lot of fun. Thanks, Hughes
Milton Hughes www.Southern-Sportsmen.com
I have always wanted to find a unique way to incorporate my love of Life Coaching with helping those with medical conditions. Six Figure Consulting has helped me to do just that by teaching me, from the ground up, not only how to build a website but why the steps they teach are important. The site builder did not require me to have to know programming and allowed me to learn, through my Omni Coach, how to build it in a user friendly way. Now my dream has come true through the ongoing extensive development of www.LifeBeyondThePain.com, allowing medically challenged individuals to get help and resources necessary to live a productive and peaceful life.
My experience with Six Figure Consulting was awesome, they taught me everything I didn't know about building a website and the importance of how and why and the keys to be successful. My website is Auto and Truck Parts Resources, which is an informational center for auto and truck parts and accessories, the website looks awesome and omni-solutions gave me the tools I needed to build it in a professional manner.
Brian H. Jeffries www.AutoAndTruckPartsResources.com
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#38 Consumer Comment

Next time logout first

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Uh
Josh22 aka Tod Snelling you probably shouldn't rebut a user and try to file under a false identity with the SAME login.
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#39 Consumer Comment

$20k in Six Months

AUTHOR: Josh22 - (U.S.A.)

My name is Tod Snelling I spent $6340 with Six figure Consulting and in the last 6 months have made more than $20,000. This Eric guy must be Lazy, This is the easiest business i have ever seen.

Tod Snelling
NM
5052508275
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#40 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Six Figure Presses Charges.

AUTHOR: Josh22 - (U.S.A.)

Eric-
As I recently received news of your complaint via rip-off report I immediately began doing research into your claim. It turns out that we have never enrolled anyone in the state of Arizona making your claim 100% FALSE.
This caused even more concern as our clients satisfaction and success are number 1. I contacted my attorney and we issued a subpoena to google to retrieve the IP address of where the complaint was filed. It turns out the complaint was filed in Salt Lake City Utah by one of our competitors. We have already issued a motion to press charges with a strong defamation of character case.
We have many friends in the life long learning industry as well as enemies that wish their students success rate was guaranteed like ours.
I offer my full contact information to any student seeking answers to this posting as
We at Six Figure Have nothing to hide.......

Josh Lindsay
CEO
Six Figure Consulting
3333s 900e
SLC UT 84106
801-308-8649
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