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Hey, your John Beck John Burley is the same guy? If so, I watched John Burley's quick cash flow program on TV at 2am. It looks like great program? John Beck --> John Burley the same guy, the books and etc look the same?

I am glad to take in here, before make stupid misake on ordering this!

Hi Joann and all

Let us know if one of the three attorneys have interest. I tryed submitting this responce before but it didn't show.
I'm sure their are several others watching to see what happens.

Let us know if you need support or you find a attorney with interest.

later

ATTENTION ALL COUNTRIES: Do not allow parasites like John Beck, Carlton "Sheet for Brains", Don Lapre, Wuss Whitney, Tom "baboon face" Vu, etc, etc, to spread throughout your country like wildfire.

IGNORE any and all businesses from the United States claiming to be offering "wealth building" programs. DO NOT respond to any advertisements, especially PAID Infomercials. Instead, report any and all fraudulent Infomercials to the proper authorities.

DO NOT allow these low life, result of incest beings from the United States to pollute your airwaves, just as they have done to the great US of A'S.

There is absolutely no such thing, even in America, as PROVEN "wealth building" programs of any sort, being distributed to total strangers, for less than the programs "earning potential."

1. John Beck's Real Estate programs are UNPROVEN.

2. Any and all claims made in John Beck's PAID Infomercials are UNSUBSTANTIATED.

3. John Beck's fraudulent Infomercial contains many hidden disclaimers and fine print throughout.

4. The cost of John Beck's fraudulent programs is directly proportional to ones "available credit."

5. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute does not stand behind any of their UNSUBSTANTIATED earning claims, fraudulent sales pitches and "money back guarantee."

6. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute loses credit card dispute after credit card dispute.

7. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute makes absolutely no attempt to acknowledge and resolve consumer reports in the public eye.

8. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute tape records their victims agreement to enroll into their program, but none of which leads up to the agreement, earning claims, sales pitches, mutual agreement, etc, etc?????

9. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute haven't PROVEN a single report/complaint false or to the contrary.

10. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute boasts a 94% success rate, while being totally unable to even PROVE a 1% success rate.

11. John Beck (unscrupulous attorney) himself, suggests that there's an abundance of tax lien properties throughout the United States, Arizona and Hawaii included, but does not wish to obtain a property for me (as per simple request) which would instantly yield him a profit of $140,000.00, but instead rather "mentor" total strangers to obtain such properties for a far less profit????? F^CK YOU INBREED BECK!!!!!

The John Beck Mentoring Institute has no PROVEN "success stories" out here in America, so they will never establish one elsewhere.

Take care Everyone and remember, "if something sounds too good to be true, IT IS."
God Bless you all.

OK GUYS! My attorney gave me 3 other names of attorneys who handle class action law suits. I've got one reviewing things as we speak.

Get your proof ready, and watch out for an invitation to contact me or which ever attorney chooses to step up to this challenge!

I've got 3 attorneys looking at this so lets hope one of them picks this up and runs with it!

Hi everyone! Well, Jeremy replied to my attorney letter, which I will post here once I receive it from my attorney.

Here's the deal, EPN is not reporting the $7448.00 collection for the s**t materials and bullshit mentoring calls I did receive from John Beck, so until they either call me or contact me again in writing, or report the collection on any of our credit reports, we can do nothing.

I will be sure to keep everyone updated if any of that happens. Keep looking for Jeremy's letter so you can see what s**t he's shoveling now. EPN wrote one too, which I will also post.

I will also continue to look into a class action. My attorney isn't interested in persuing that, but he knows someone who may be.

Hi guys:

Glad to see you're still conversing about this. I promise you, if they take the offensive I'd LOVE it. Either way I just want my day in court to expose these a$$ hole$!

I can't imagine any way on God's green earth that a jury would buy their load of steamy, runny, smelly $h!t, can you?

And, I have no intention of "settling". If I end up having to retain my attorney to do one more damned thing, we're going class action.

I promise you, my intentions are to resolve this for as many people as I can, I don't care how long this takes. The longer they damage us, the more punitive damages we incure.

I have as long as it takes them to pull their deceptive, lying, underhanded, corrupt, crooked, slim shady, fraudlant heads out of their a$$!!.

As far as I know, they've not responded to that letter, and we're damned near to mid July, which leaves a little more than 2 weeks before I TAKE THE OFFENSIVE.

Come get some Beck and Cronies...consider this an invitation and a threat!

Yours Truely,

Okay Beer it is.

I think they will do nothing or respond with a denial letter much like the denial letter clients use to get the credit card companies to reverse the charges. There is no reason for them to do a darn thing on defense, yet. Why would they tip their hand? Like I said they will have some sort of trickery already lined up count on it.

They may choose to go on the offense and beat her to the legal punch. Better to be the claimant then the defendant.

Either way it will end up in court with a claim and a counter claim. Just who will serve who first. The dual is about to start.

Hey there Karlton,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

With July just about a third way completed, I am very curious to see just how the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Insitute responds to the letter from Joann's attorney.

Whether the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute decides to settle with Joann out of court, or decides to go through with the class action, the future of this scam company looks rather bleak.

I am aware however, that class action lawsuits take much time to resolve with the end result often proving most beneficial to the attornies involved.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Until next time, take care Karlton cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

We should all contact the media to clue them in on the possibility of a class action lawsuit against the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute and the blatant crimes they commit.

I've already emailed msnbcinvestigates@msnbc.com and notified them of the possibility of such action. Like all media networks however, they are constantly being bombarded with emails, so the possibility of one email getting reviewed and considered is very slim.

Email:

Hello there,

I hope that this Email finds you well.

There's a pretty good chance of a class action law suit taking place in the very near future against an Infomercial company promoting a fraudulent Real Estate "wealth building" program.

Are there any reporters interested in covering this story in the event it takes place? Please contact me at __________ or __________ for complete details.

Take Care, Mahalo & Aloha from Hawaii & God Bless.

How ever you decide to format your inquiry, be sure to keep it short and to the point. This is to avoid having your email discarded before someone actually had a chance to read it.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Reid they are SNAKES who are backed into a very bad corner. They will try and strike any way they can to keep the bogus cash machine rolling along.

You have put many hours into helping people here. I for one have learned form your posts.

EVERYONE realize this company will TRY EVERY TRICK in the law book to keep you on the hook.

They have been milking this cash cow until its yogurt.

Once this is over you and I will go "MiTais at twenty paces". ;)

Hey there Joann,

I hope that this rebuttals finds you in good spiris and health.

At very least Joann, you have saved many from falling victim to the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute by bringing about much negative publicity.

Many would be victims of the John Beck scam, are directed to this website upon conducting a google search on John Beck. You should feel very proud of yourself.

By reading the many unacknowledged, unexplained and unresolved reports regarding the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Intitute, would be victims will quickly realize just how full of crap the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute is.

I have to admit, Karlton and Tim were right all along, judging by the way the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute ducks all consumer complaints, credit card disputes, etc, etc, don't be surprised if they duck any legal proceedings as well, and decide to just settle out of court.

I wish you the absolute best of luck Joann. Keep in touch.

Until next time, take care Joann cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Welcome to the 2005 shill rebuttal awards, where someone will be awarded the covenant trophy for posting the most boneheaded rebuttal of the year.

HERE ARE THIS YEARS CONTESTANTS:
1. Lee Provo, Utah
2. Pattie Provo, Utah
3. Devin Willis Provo, Utah
4. Arron Littleton, Colorado
5. Na Vancouver, British Columbia
6. Cliff Kingman, Arizona
7. Stella Columbus, Ohio
8. Michael Dagley Indianapolis, Indiana
9. Jason Orem, Utah

Although each and every one of these contestant's rebuttals were magnificently boneheaded, unfortunately, there can only be one winner.

Tonights winner... hailing all the way from Littleton, Colorado is D/R/U/M/R/O/L/L Arron!

Congratulations Arron for your brilliant rebuttal which stated "I myself have never done business with any of the organizations that have been ripped on this report, but I am more inclined to do so given the tone of the writings here."

INTERVIEW WITH GRAND CHUMPION:

INTERVIEWER: Congratulations Arron on tonight's victory.

KING BEND OVER HIMSELF: Thank you, thank you, (sobs) I've never won anything quite as special in my life.

INTERVIEWER: You had a pretty disturbing childhood haven't you? Please fill us in.

KING BEND OVER HIMSELF: When I was about six years old, I found out that my parents weren't really my parent, and that my real parents were really siblings from the old country.

INTERVIEWER: Sorry to hear that. Tell us about your college years

KING BEND OVER HIMSELF: I did not attend college, because there was no colleges offering special ed courses at the time. I've decided to find employment with a scam company as a bend over shill instead.

INTERVIEWER: What's a bend over shill?

KING BEND OVER HIMSELF: Exactly what it sounds like. I am someone who "searches" out reports regarding fraudulent businesses, for fraudulent businesses.

INTERVIEWER: And?

KING BEND OVER HIMSELF: Well, I post favorable rebuttals for any companies that are unable to defend themselves. My rebuttals however, need not be of resolvement, or contradict a single word that is said, regarding the company in which I'm defending.

INTERVIEWER: So basically just your opinion suffices, regardless of how preposterous it may be.

KING BEND OVER HIMSELF: Riiiiight.

INTERVIEWER: What exactly do you get out of this?

KING BEND OVER HIMSELF: Hopefully a couple of loads out of the pee pee's of con artists. That's why I'm grand poobah of the prestigious "bend over" award. Laughs.

INTERVIEWER: Alrigh, I've heard just about enough from you, you sick b*****d. Hopefully you never show your stupid face in this competition, or on this website ever again.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Joann, thanks for posting your attorney's letter. It was a beautiful thing. Please let us know if it does the trick.

And I expect that it will. There seem to be a nice host of liabilities that JB could face if he doesn't take it seriously. This is the kind of action that defeating JB will require, not resting on your laurels and hoping everything will just go away.

However, "Cal.App.3d" should be "Cal. App. 3d." And, to be fully appropriate, he should have cited to the Pacific Reporter instead of California Appeals because the intended party is out of state. I know it sounds like nit-picking, but this is the kind of crap that really fries judges, and could cause an opposing attorney to not take your case very seriously (which, I suppose, could be a good thing).

I knew from the beginning that I'd more than likely have to hire some professional help with this. These people are frauds and everyone needs to know about it.

However, Reid provided me with some good advice which helped me along the way. None of us have all of the answers, that's why there are web sites such as this one to help us share information, and I appreciate EVERYONE'S help.

I believe that Reid has spoken with the representatives at his credit card company and that they told him what he tells us. Had we just decided that we no longer wanted to participate in John Beck's (Mentoring of America's) mentoring program, then I think they'd have a case.

The bottom line is they (Mentoring of America) promised several things....see my attorney's letter above...and provided none of them. In addition the mentoring program was a joke and I can prove it. So, as far as I'm concerned they're in for a big suit if they don't comply with my attorney's demands.

Reid was a big help to me getting my credit card company to reverse the charges, and I am greatful to him for that. Now I'm on to dealing with Mentoring of America and EPN directly, and for that I need my wonderful attorney's help.

If they think that they're going to get me to spend a ton of money in attorney's fees to get them to recall my account from EPN or remove any info EPN may put on my credit reports they're wrong. My very next step is to sue them. This was my last effort to solve this nicely.

I really want everyone to watch this site for a notice from me to contact my attorney because I am DEAD SERIOUS about filing a class action law suit, and blasting this all over the media so others won't be seduced by this guy.

Thanks again everyone. God Bless... JoAnn

So glad you did not just follow Reid and hired and attorney to go on the offense!
GO get em!

Hi Al and everyone. Thanks for the advice, and please rest assured that I am an advid note taker.

I have everything they ever sent me and all correspondence between us. I'm ready to go. My attorney is a real consumer advocate and very intelligent.

I am in good hands, that's why I posted his letter so that others may benefit from it. If we end up filing a class action I will attempt to obtain information from those on this site by providing my attorneys contact information here.

That way we can get everyone together and maybe we'll be able to bring this guy to a hault. I will definately keep everyone posted as things progress.

Sounds like we'll be at least 30 days before we know how we'll have to proceed. Until next time.

Let us all know what happens next. Their may be others that have evidence in support of your actions, in the unlikley event that your satisfaction is not achieved; or a legal stance is needed in regard of a class action.

Go getem girl.

God bless you and yours

Later

Hi everyone. My attorney wrote the most awsome letter and is sending it out to Mentoring of America tomorrow. Here is the letter. I hope it will help you guys.

June 22, 2005

Mentoring of America, LLC
406 West 5050 North
Provo UT 84604

Re: JoAnn and Roderic County v. Mentoring of America LLC

Dear Mentoring of America:

This office represents Joann and Roderic County concerning their September, 2004 purchase of the Amazing Profits Real Estate Program. Your company is currently trying to collect $7246.31 from the Countys by making debt collection calls (through your related entity EPN) and by threatening to report this amount on the Countys' credit reports. As explained below, the Countys do not owe any amount, and you are not entitled to make any credit reporting as to them.
I have reviewed the history of this transaction, and find your company's conduct to be shockingly fraudulent. The following is a non-exhaustive list of the fraud: The CD's and books from the Amazing Profits program were useless. The manuals were incomplete, the vast majority of the websites referenced were dead links, and the CD's were merely infomercials. Mentoring of America promised the Countys that (1) they could not fail because they would be your next infomercial success story, (2) that if they invested 5-10 hours per week they would make their money back in 60-90 days, and (3) that they would make hundreds of thousands of dollars in the foreclosure market. These were false representations designed to induce the Countys to buy more useless products.

Mentoring of America solicited the Countys to use other people's money for a new real estate program by allowing Mentoring of America to charge their credit card $13,960.00.

Your company told the Countys that this amount included (1) lifetime tax preparation or advice, anytime of day or night; (2) free creation of an LLC in Nevada with someone there to answer the phones anytime; and (3) a free trip to Las Vegas to see a John Beck seminar, with travel expenses paid. All of these statements were false. Mentoring of America later tried to charge the Countys additional money for every one of the above items.

Mentoring of America quoted a price to my clients of $13,960 and charged that amount on their credit card. Not coincidentally, this was the County's current credit limit at that time. I understand from my investigation that your company has been defrauding many other consumers by charging them different amounts for the same alleged services, depending on their credit limits.

My clients requested a refund, and Mentoring of America ignored their calls and letters. However, once my clients did a chargeback on their credit card, your company sent my clients email confirmation that the entire $13,960 would be refunded. Kindell Graham of your company told the Countys not to worry, that this was a total refund and that they would not be the subject of any debt collection efforts. These representations were also apparently false. As soon as it had promised a refund, in writing, your company refused return of the books and CD's, and assigned the account to your sister company debt collection agency EPN. Ms. Graham started avoiding the Countys' calls, and once when she mistakenly answered one of those calls, falsely told the Countys that she would fix the mistake. She did not.

EPN is now trying to collect $7246.31 from the Countys, allegedly for the materials they tried to return and four mentoring calls. EPN now maintains that Mentoring of America didn't actually intend to refund anything, and always intended to collect the money from the Countys later. This is outrageous -- Mentoring of America's own email states otherwise. I am also shocked that your company would try to collect the unconscionable amount of $7246.31 for a total of four phone calls lasting 20 minutes each, which constituted little more than walking my clients through a website and having them write down their goals. EPN has also informed my clients that their credit reports are about to be damaged, and that Mentoring of America has instructed it to collect the debt.

In addition to the obvious fraud chronicled above, your company violated California's Home Solicitation Sales Act in wholesale fashion. The Legislature passed the Home Solicitation Sales Act in 1971 in order to protect consumers from the unfair pressures of sales which are consummated in the home. See Civil Code 1689.5 et. seq.; Weatherall Aluminum Products, Co. v. Scott, 71 Cal.App.3d 245, 249 (1977).

The Act grants consumers a 3-day right to cancel such transactions. Civil Code 1689.6. The seller must disclose the 3-day right to cancel in writing, directly above the space for the consumer's signature on the contract (Civil Code 1689.7(a)(1)), and must orally disclose the 3-day right to cancel as well.

Civil Code 1689.7(f). The seller must also provide a special tear-off cancellation form in duplicate that the buyer may then use to cancel the transaction. Civil Code 1689.7(b).
Your company did none of these things.


Therefore, my clients have the right to cancel the transaction at any time. Civil Code 1689.7(g). Upon cancellation, your company had 10 days to refund all payments made under the contract, and had 20 days to pick up its goods.

Your company did not refund all the payments, and it failed to accept the returned goods. Accordingly, my clients may keep the goods without any obligation to pay. Civil Code 1689.7(c) and 1689.11.

It makes no difference that your sales force used the telephone to induce the Countys to enter into the agreements, and never came to their home. The Act applies to telephonic transactions where the offer is accepted at home, regardless of who initiates the telephone call. People v. Toomey, (1985) 157 Cal.App.3d 1; Weatherall Aluminum Products v. Scott, (1977) 71 Cal. App.3d 245; Janzen v. Workers' Comp. Appeals Bd, (1997) 68 Cal.Rptr.2d 260, 263; Luskin & Sons, Inc. v. Samovitz, (1985)166 Cal.App.3d 533, 536 (Although the home solicitation statute is commonly thought of as protecting consumers from the high pressures sales tactics of door-to-door solicitors, the clear, unambiguous language of the statute gives it a much broader application.).

Pursuant to the Home Soliciation Sales Act, and because of the underlying fraud described above, any transactions between your company and the Countys are entirely void and unenforceable. You are also hereby put on notice that your company violated many provisions of the Consumers Legal Remedies Act at Civil Code 1770

(a). The CLRA provides the prevailing consumer with injunctive relief, and attorneys fees. Moreover, you are hereby advised that if you fail to cure your violations of the CLRA within 30 days, the Countys will also be entitled to damages and punitive damages against you.
You have the opportunity to cure your violations by doing the following within 30 days:

1. Agreeing in writing to waive any alleged debt you contend the Countys owe, and recalling your debt collection agency EPN.

2. Agreeing in writing on behalf of Mentoring of America and EPN not to report any tradeline on the Countys credit reports at any time.

3. Ceasing all contact with the Countys, including by EPN.

If you do not comply with this demand, the Countys will file a lawsuit against your company and EPN for fraud, violations of the Home Solicitation Sales Act, violations of the Rosenthal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, and for damages and punitive damages under the Consumers Legal Remedies Act. The Countys will also consider bringing a class action to set aside all of your transactions in California during the last four years as voidable home solicitation sales, and to force you to return all monies you have obtained in those transactions.

Thank you for your consideration of the above. I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Hi all,
Thought you might be interested to know:
Per their (idiglobal.com)'s own web site, News & Events (TAB),
IDI's REPORT DATED 1/21/04:
IDI is in business with PCS, Professional Consulting Services,
IDI's REPORT DATED 7/8/04:
IDI is in business with NeWave which is OnlineSupplier.com,
and most recent
IDI's REPORT DATED 1/20/05:
IDI is in business with -- of all people,
John Beck with his Mentoring of America program.

3 listed (John Beck, Mentoring of America; OnlineSupplier.com; Professional Consulting Services) all have Unsatisfactory BBB rating and have reports filed here on ripoff. The amount of money IDI reports of bringing in, making the requested number of refunds should be NO PROBLEM for them. Go directly to IDI for refund.

Note: Print & maintain copies for your records of all your research. Print all BBB reports, any online articles, photo copy all letters, package covers, print emails, etc. Maintain good dates and records of people you talked to. That way you can reference it when needed as the BBB's can change/add information, that way you can track new info that may be helpful.

ANOTHER INTERESTING NOTE:
Auctions for Income used Summit Consulting to do sales/marketing using IDI's QuickSite Builder Online Software, Links 4 Trade etc. The package used NMR/PMI as coaching and The Tax Club for tax services.
This thread was started, copy & paste this in your address bar & please read:
http://ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff132870.htm

Colton Moody of Summit Consulting responded. On the above mentioned thread, Colton commented of his good friend in OREM that was successful. Unfortunately we are not Colton's friends so our lottery ballot got trashed, (doing business with them is like playing the lottery) If you are a friend you get to win.
Many of you reading this have read some of Reid's comments on John Beck. Colton also replied to Reid on this thread with a glowing review of John Beck. Now I know why, IDI has merged/purchased/stock with John Beck's Mentoring of America. Read it for yourself, go to idiglobal.com, click on the News & Events tab and click on the report date as shown in the above list.

Best of luck to you all.

Hi All. Well, I spoke with my attorney this morning, and sent him everything I have on this guy, including tons of your reports to prove that they (Mentoring of America) charge every person a different amount for the same service, dependant on the amount of available credit on their credit cards.

He says he will be shooting them a letter promptly, and one to EPN as well. If this doesn't do it, and the collection makes it to my credit report, we're off to court. Unfortunately it's costing me $1500 to get the letters done. I will recover attorney fees if this doesn't do the trick, believe me.

I am still extremely interested in a class action law suit if anyone finds an attorney who is interested in taking them on. My attorney is a wonderful person, and I believe he is doing everything right, but I don't believe at this time he's interested in pursuing something of this magnatude.

Keep me posted everybody! Keep up the fight against these unscrupulous pigs!

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

JOAN: Hi Everyone: Thank you so much for caring enough to write. It really helps me to get through this and I appreciate it very much.

I will be consulting with my attorney today via the telephone to see what we will be doing next.

Kim from EPN told me that Mentoring of America didn't mean that they were "authorizing a full refund" even tho that's what their refund agreement and the email from Kindell Graham said. They say that they simply meant that they would no longer fight the credit card company since they would authorize a chargeback no matter what I did or said.

REID: Why are you even corresponding with EPN? Until a decision has been made by your credit card company, the issue is in the hands of your credit card company and the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute.

The onus is on the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute to disprove or contridict your dispute. Disregard anything and everything regarding EPN. Let your credit card company resolve the dispute.

JOAN: I find that they have been deceptive all the way around, from the first day we spoke on the phone during the "hard core" solicitation phone calls right up to the last time I actually got to speak with anyone at Mentoring of America on the phone. Now they won't even take my calls, not to mention return any of them.

REID: Of course they were deceptive. That's what scams are.

JOAN: I've faxed these people, emailed them, and called them, and they simply ignore me. What outstanding customer service. Yet another tell tale sign of a scam. Get the money, and screw em must be something along the lines of their mission statement, if they're organized enough to have one.

REID: Do not correspond with EPN. EPN is a fraudulent collection agency. Contact EPN and notify them that they are to cease all contact and not further obstuct the dispute process.

Notify EPN that any contact or attempts to contact you will result in immediate reports to the FBI on grounds of extortion.

Once someone wins a favorable decision by their credit card company, the only recourse for the loser/scam artist would be a lawsuit, as there would no longer be any "debt" owed.

JOAN: I'll keep you posted as things progress. I know I will have a case for damages if EPN reports this to my credit file. I've advised them not to, but they more than likely will. I've been keeping record of my reports by pulling them quarterly in order to establish what my scores are so that if they report it to the Credit Reporting Agencies I can prove damages.

REID: EXTORTION!

JOAN: Equifax has a website and for $29.95 you can pull a merged report which has all 3 CRA info to help you figure out if you've got anything from EPN or John Beck/Mentoring of America reporting on your files. Believe me, this will be useful info in the event of a law suit.

REID: Amongst other things. Believe me, if this scam ever went to court, it wouldn't even require an hour to disect this scam and force this fraudulent company to have to pay back millions in restitution.

Until next time, take care JoAnn cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hi Everyone: Thank you so much for caring enough to write. It really helps me to get through this and I appreciate it very much.

I will be consulting with my attorney today via the telephone to see what we will be doing next.

Kim from EPN told me that Mentoring of America didn't mean that they were "authorizing a full refund" even tho that's what their refund agreement and the email from Kindell Graham said. They say that they simply meant that they would no longer fight the credit card company since they would authorize a chargeback no matter what I did or said.

I find that they have been deceptive all the way around, from the first day we spoke on the phone during the "hard core" solicitation phone calls right up to the last time I actually got to speak with anyone at Mentoring of America on the phone. Now they won't even take my calls, not to mention return any of them.

I've faxed these people, emailed them, and called them, and they simply ignore me. What outstanding customer service. Yet another tell tale sign of a scam. Get the money, and screw em must be something along the lines of their mission statement, if they're organized enough to have one.

I'll keep you posted as things progress. I know I will have a case for damages if EPN reports this to my credit file. I've advised them not to, but they more than likely will. I've been keeping record of my reports by pulling them quarterly in order to establish what my scores are so that if they report it to the Credit Reporting Agencies I can prove damages.

Equifax has a website and for $29.95 you can pull a merged report which has all 3 CRA info to help you figure out if you've got anything from EPN or John Beck/Mentoring of America reporting on your files. Believe me, this will be useful info in the event of a law suit.

Until next time....JoAnn

Hey there John,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

JOHN: When did you realize that this company was a big hoax? For me, it was after 5 useless coaching sessions but I had a sick feeling almost from day one.

REID: It's funny you should mention this John. The feeling you've stated is known as buyers remorse and usually pertains to home purchasers and car buyers.

But in our case, as well as the many other victims of this scam, I think the feeling had more to do with painful skepticism.

JOHN: I knew that it was a big "roll of the dice" but I rationalized it to myself that Beck was mega-rich and that the infomercials he ran wouldn't be shown on t.v. if it were really a scam.

REID: Now I guess you realize that the more adamant one seems about pushing his or her "wealth building secrets" to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible, the more you may rest assured that their program is a scam.

There is no such thing as moneymaking "gurus" marketing legitimate "moneymaking secrets" to total strangers out of the kindness of their hearts. I challege any one of these "product of incest" maggots that disagree to come forward in the public eye and discuss it with me.

JOHN: That, plus he had his own web-site. (of course, I have always been naiive and too trusting of others--until this happened!)

REID: Websites are meaningless! As a matter of fact ALL forms of advertising are PAID for and meaningless. It's ironic how an attorney proved advertising meaningless.

JOHN: I find it interesting how some victims are using lawyers and others are not in pursuing reimbursement.

REID: Don't contact an attorney unless absolutely necessary, or one is willing to take on your case contingent upon you winning the lawsuit. Simply dispute the charge with your credit card company and let them handle the problem.

JOHN: I spoke with my credit card company several times and did what they asked--to give plenty of info about the nature of this scam and copies of other victims who have been scammed the same way.

REID: Awesome! Based on the facts you provide your credit card company with and with the insuffiecient evidence to the contrary on John Beck's part, it is impossible for his fraudulent company to win a favorable decision. There is no question that John Beck is a crook peddling garbage.

JOHN: This site was a huge help in proving the legitimacy of my dispute. The biggest factor in my favor was proving that they charge different amounts for the same service based on a person's available credit (I faxed the customer service/fraud dept. many pages of examples along with explicit details of how to get on this web-site for further proof.) When I contacted them today, their complaint/correspondence to Beck's crew has been ignored. In 11 more days, I was told a reimbursement for the full amount will be forthcoming (unless Beck's boys can prove that my charges are not true) I do not believe that contacting these fraud-artists are in my best interests and am not surprised that they are giving your lawyer the royal run around. Reid, is using a lawyer the best way to get reimbursed since the lawyer will contact these bozos?

REID: Again only if absolutely necessary. Do however, report this scam to the FBI and all like law enforcement agencies.

JOHN: Unless the lawyer wants to pursue a class-action (which hopefully he will) isn't doing it yourself the best route if one only wants to pursue reimbursement 1st (and then perhaps a class-action group suit later??)

REID: Definitely. The less people you need to divide the money with the better for you.

JOHN: I am laying low till the 45 days are up (the fraud dept. gives the company in question this amount of time to dispute my allegations) then, if no response, full reimbursement is supposed to happen. I don't care if Beck's boys send me to their fraudulent collection agency--I will verbally let them have it if they do and ignore their intimidating tactics. It seems that any direct verbal contact with these con-artists (whether one does it themselves or uses a lawyer)only results in something bad--such as giving them another opportunity to make up more lies on why they will not budge on their no-reimbursement policy!! I do not claim to be an expert on this, but there does seem to be some similarities with what works with these clowns and what doesn't. I have read everyones stories thoroughly and this seems to be what I have gathered about how these parasites work. What is your opinion on this??

REID: I have no opinions on this, just facts. John Beck along with the many other "$h!t pellers" are selling bags of gold while actually delivering bags of sand. This act in itself is fraud.

John Beck's team of inbreeds take it further by commiting more crimes in the process of their fraudulent activities. Racketeering, extortion and roberry just to name a few.

RACKETEERING: Obtaining money by an illegal enterprise usually involving intimidation.

EXTORTION: To obtain from a person by force, intimidation, or undue or illegal power.

ROBERRY: To take personal property from by violence or threat.

JOHN: Could it be that I am fortunate that this certain credit card company is taking the time to investigate this while others don't?

REID: There is nothing to investigate really, but just play along. It'll make your experience a whole lot easier believe me.

I don't understand how after receiving numerous complaints regarding John Beck, credit card companies can honestly feel as though John Beck's garbage may actually benefit others. STUUUUUPID!

JOHN: I'm sure that this probably varies greatly between credit card companies but don't most have a fraud dept. that one can go thru without going the lawyer route (unless they are looking for additional compensation??)

REID: Definitely. Think of the lawyer route as a last resort.

JOHN: Joann, best of luck against these idiots and I hope it comes to a successful conclusion. Reid, thanks for your help for all you have done with helping us overcome the pain and embarrassment of getting riped off by the most fraudulent company known to mankind!! P.S. -Nobody has taken me up on my "mentoring" idea yet, how about you?? Oh well, I couldn't really accept any offers even if anyone was gullable enough. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. It is incredible that the creeps that work for this company can not only steal peoples hard earned $$'s, but have the audacity to come on this site and brag about it!! I hope I never meet Jason, Dean or any of the other Beck parasites in person---I don't normally agree to violence but might make an exception if I met one of them in person!!

REID: I normally don't think about violence myself, but wouldn't think twice about putting holes in someone, especially inbreeds, that were attempting to rob me in person.

Until next time, take care John cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hi Reid, Joann and my other friends to this site (especially those who have been victimized by the Beck scam) Sorry to hear about your troubles with these parasites Joann. It does make me feel a little better that there is someone out there that got scammed for a larger amount than me. I got hammered for "only" $12,500 since this was about what I had available on my credit card. The only difference between our stories was that your credit card had a little more available credit on it than mine. When did you realize that this company was a big hoax? For me, it was after 5 useless coaching sessions but I had a sick feeling almost from day one. I knew that it was a big "roll of the dice" but I rationalized it to myself that Beck was mega-rich and that the infomercials he ran wouldn't be shown on t.v. if it were really a scam. That, plus he had his own web-site. (of course, I have always been naiive and too trusting of others--until this happened!) I find it interesting how some victims are using lawyers and others are not in pursuing reimbursement. I spoke with my credit card company several times and did what they asked--to give plenty of info about the nature of this scam and copies of other victims who have been scammed the same way. This site was a huge help in proving the legitimacy of my dispute. The biggest factor in my favor was proving that they charge different amounts for the same service based on a person's available credit (I faxed the customer service/fraud dept. many pages of examples along with explicit details of how to get on this web-site for further proof.) When I contacted them today, their complaint/correspondence to Beck's crew has been ignored. In 11 more days, I was told a reimbursement for the full amount will be forthcoming (unless Beck's boys can prove that my charges are not true) I do not believe that contacting these fraud-artists are in my best interests and am not surprised that they are giving your lawyer the royal run around. Reid, is using a lawyer the best way to get reimbursed since the lawyer will contact these bozos? Unless the lawyer wants to pursue a class-action (which hopefully he will) isn't doing it yourself the best route if one only wants to pursue reimbursement 1st (and then perhaps a class-action group suit later??) I am laying low till the 45 days are up (the fraud dept. gives the company in question this amount of time to dispute my allegations) then, if no response, full reimbursement is supposed to happen. I don't care if Beck's boys send me to their fraudulent collection agency--I will verbally let them have it if they do and ignore their intimidating tactics. It seems that any direct verbal contact with these con-artists (whether one does it themselves or uses a lawyer)only results in something bad--such as giving them another opportunity to make up more lies on why they will not budge on their no-reimbursement policy!! I do not claim to be an expert on this, but there does seem to be some similarities with what works with these clowns and what doesn't. I have read everyones stories thoroughly and this seems to be what I have gathered about how these parasites work. What is your opinion on this?? Could it be that I am fortunate that this certain credit card company is taking the time to investigate this while others don't? I'm sure that this probably varies greatly between credit card companies but don't most have a fraud dept. that one can go thru without going the lawyer route (unless they are looking for additional compensation??) Joann, best of luck against these idiots and I hope it comes to a successful conclusion. Reid, thanks for your help for all you have done with helping us overcome the pain and embarrassment of getting riped off by the most fraudulent company known to mankind!! P.S. -Nobody has taken me up on my "mentoring" idea yet, how about you?? Oh well, I couldn't really accept any offers even if anyone was gullable enough. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night. It is incredible that the creeps that work for this company can not only steal peoples hard earned $$'s, but have the audacity to come on this site and brag about it!! I hope I never meet Jason, Dean or any of the other Beck parasites in person---I don't normally agree to violence but might make an exception if I met one of them in person!!

Hey there Joan,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

JOAN: Hello Everyone: Well, I see since I've been away there are even more of you who have fallen victim to John Beck/Mentoring of America.

REID: As long as the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute is around, there will continue to be a growing number of victims and no PROVEN "success stories."

JOAN: I just want to let you all know, that even if you get a written signed letter stating they (John Beck/Mentoring of America) won't attempt to collect the money they've scammed you out of, don't believe it! They told EPN (their collection agency) that they now do want to collect the money (well, at least part of it) after all.

REID: Don't send EPN a penny Joan. Instead, report EPN to the FBI, FTC, and Attorney General on grounds of extortion. EPN is a fraudulent collection agency that attempts to collect on non existent debts by means of intimidation.

John Beck failed to PROVE that you owe him money throughout the entire credit card dispute process, therefore, he has failed to PROVE that you owe him money at all. No legitimate collection agency would even attempt to collect on debts which were non-existent, which makes EPN nothing more than a blatant scam.

JOAN: Forget the letter they emailed me agreeing not to persue the collection of the $13,960.00 they scammed me out of. Forget all the phone calls where they told me it was "a mistake" on their part, blah blah.

REID: Forget paying king inbreed John Beck and or his fraudulent collection agency EPN a shiny penny. They owe you money Joan for all your precious time they've wasted. Shoot John Beck and his team of inbreeds owe me something like $9.8 million. HA HAAAAAAAAAA!

Insist that John Beck and EPN owes you money for your time instead. This may initiate some kind of action which would expose these scams, thus force these fraudulent businesses to have to pay back millions in restitution.

NO ONE CAN PUT A PRICE TAG ON WHAT SOMEONE FEELS THEIR TIME IS WORTH.

JOAN: Just wanted to let you all know what liars and theives they are and I hope people will read this before they buy into their bull s**# mentoring program. Dont fall for it!!

REID: Thank you very much for the heads up Joan. Take care of whatever it is you have to... and don't you worry about a thing. I will continue to post warnings on this site until you are able to return.

Until next time, take care Joan cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hello Everyone: Well, I see since I've been away there are even more of you who have fallen victim to John Beck/Mentoring of America.

I just want to let you all know, that even if you get a written signed letter stating they (John Beck/Mentoring of America) won't attempt to collect the money they've scammed you out of, don't believe it! They told EPN (their collection agency) that they now do want to collect the money (well, at least part of it) after all.

Forget the letter they emailed me agreeing not to persue the collection of the $13,960.00 they scammed me out of. Forget all the phone calls where they told me it was "a mistake" on their part, blah blah.

Just wanted to let you all know what liars and theives they are and I hope people will read this before they buy into their bull s**# mentoring program. Dont fall for it!!

Hi Joann

This along with the other reports this may provide what I may expect in the future do to the return of funds to the card company.

They did send a signed refund agreement but this appeared one sided and not acceptable so a counter agreement was returned but apparently they did not find it acceptable; or at least they never sent it back. They just returned the funds to the card.

Just because the refund the card doesn't mean it's over yet.

Everyone's stories are different but all have common points.

Addmissible evidence is what is the deciding factor.For mine I feel there is more than enough.
For some others I am sure there is no chance to recover.

The parent corporation of Mentoring of America may be closer than what you think. You may want your attorney to look and see what he comes up with you may be able to file suit right there for damages.

I had some checking done there also.

I am not an attorney but if your agreement for a refund was signed and sent a cross state line it may be considered as Federal mail fraud.

Good luck and God Bless,

Hey there Joann:

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

JOANN: Hi Reid and everyone. Well, my attorney is amazed at the lack of integrity being displayed here by John Beck/Mentoring of America.

REID: John Beck's lack of integrity does not seem to amaze nor surprise me one bit. I have always pondered the fact, that what one does for a living says, means or proves nothing about his or her character.

Religious organizations molesting little children? NO, CAN'T BE! Televangelists soliciting prostitutes? NO, CAN'T BE! Unscrupulous attorney John Beck engaging in blatant FRAUD? NO, CAN'T BE!

These are just a few of many confirmations for my belief, but there's no need to elaborate on this, as I am aware everyone already gets the picture and are improving in their abilities to detect phonies from a mile away.

JOANN: After reviewing the email I received from Kindell Graham the Financial Manager of Mentoring of America stating that I was due a FULL REFUND OF $13960.00, he can't believe they've sent the account to their collection agency EPN for the 3 live phone calls and 1 missed phone call for a total of over $7000.00. No one's time is worth that much. Even my attorney doesn't charge that much! And the guy we spoke with could barley navigate thru the stupid website he directed us to.

REID: HA! Funny but true. You'd think these "successful mentors" would already be familiar with these websites.

JOANN: My attorney will be contacting them this Friday to either resolve this matter, or persue legally. I'm hoping for the latter. If he believes we have a case, I think the lesson learned by having to be drug thru the legal process will teach a better lesson that just dropping this altogether.

REID: In addition to a lawsuit, I think it would be a great idea to start a full blown FBI investigation on John Beck and his fraudulent "mentoring" Institute.

There is definitely some elements of criminal activities taking place. Fraud, intimidation, empty threats, extortion and some degree of robbery just to name a few.

JOANN: I will keep you all posted, and watch for requests from me for your information in case of a class action. It's up to my attorney of course, but I still believe that's the best way to go.

REID: Keep in touch.

JOAN: Until next time...

Until next time, take care Joann cause I care, Aloja my solja from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: Disregard any and all Infomercials claiming to be in the business of promoting "wealth building" programs.

They are ALL scams!

There are no such thing as businesses selling legitimate "wealth building" information to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" they claim possible, as it would make absolutely no sense for any business to place themselves in such losing propositions.

John Beck's programs are fraudulent! His so called "mentoring" team is comprised of a bunch of genetic imbreeds working out of illegal boiler room operations.

THESE ARE FACTS:

1. John Beck's Imbreed Team makes UNPROVEN and UNSUBSTANTIATED claims over the telephone.

2. John Beck's Imbreed Team deliberately fails to disclose pertinent information, such as the exact success to failure ratio of their program, etc, etc.

This enables John Beck's Imbeed Team the opportunity to turn the blame of failure on to the many victims.

3. John Beck's Imbreed Team is totally unable to live up to any of their fraudulent claims.

4. John Beck's Imbreed Team is comprised of UNPROVEN Real Estate Professionals all claiming to be successful.

5. John Beck's Imbreed Team charges each and every one of their victims a different amount for the same BULL$H!T "mentoring" program, which just so happens to be the amount of "available credit" he or she has on their credit cards.

6. Regardless of the fact it was John Beck's Imbreed Team, that failed miserably to live up to their fraudulent claims, they will attempt to counter their victims credit card disputes with absolutely no PROOF to the contrary.

7. John Beck's Imbreed Team, like all other fraudulent businesses, DO NOT provide the public with any PROOF of their so called "success stories" and bogus testimonials.

8. John Beck's Imbreed Team, like all other fraudulent businesses, ARE NOT willing and or able to come forward in a public forum, acknowledge the many complaints regarding their FRAUD, and explain them off with FACTS to the contrary.

9. John Beck's Imbreed Team like all other fraudulent businesses, ARE NOT willing and or able to resolve the many complaints regarding their FRAUD in the public eye for all to witness.

10. Credit card companies ARE NOT interested in their cardholders best interest, regardless of what they claim, as they blatantly continue to authorize charges, in which they already know are of shady activities.

11. The Better Business Bureau is a huge CROCK OF $H!T, as they profit big time from the very businesses, that are ripping people off in the first place.

12. John Beck's Imbreed Team involves themselves with yet another fraudulent business, which happens to be a fraudulent "collection agency" (EPN).

Everyone knows, that when he or she wins a favorable decision in a credit card dispute, the onis is on the person or business claiming to be owed money, to actually PROVE they are owed money.

Everyone knows, that when he or she wins a favorable decision in a credit card dispute, the charge(s) are then immediately erased and becomes non existent. This equates to "NO DEBT TO BE COLLECTED ON!" Legitimate "collection agencies", or worst yet, "attornies" should know this.

Everyone knows, that EPN is a fraudulent collection agency as they randomly select their victims.

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hi Reid and everyone. Well, my attorney is amazed at the lack of integrity being displayed here by John Beck/Mentoring of America.

After reviewing the email I received from Kindell Graham the Financial Manager of Mentoring of America stating that I was due a FULL REFUND OF $13960.00, he can't believe they've sent the account to their collection agency EPN for the 3 live phone calls and 1 missed phone call for a total of over $7000.00. No one's time is worth that much. Even my attorney doesn't charge that much! And the guy we spoke with could barley navigate thru the stupid website he directed us to.

My attorney will be contacting them this Friday to either resolve this matter, or persue legally. I'm hoping for the latter. If he believes we have a case, I think the lesson learned by having to be drug thru the legal process will teach a better lesson that just dropping this altogether.

I will keep you all posted, and watch for requests from me for your information in case of a class action. It's up to my attorney of course, but I still believe that's the best way to go.

Until next time...

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: No matter what the name of the company or how many times they decide to change their names, the fact still remains there are no such individual or business selling legitimate "mentoring" strategies to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible.

All businesses, which claim to be in the position of doing so, are without question bogus, as it would make absolutely no sense for any legitmate business to place themselves in such losing propositions.

$10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month for whatever it is one can spare on his or her credit card? SCAM!

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Mike Evans.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: No matter what the name of the company or how many times they decide to change their names, the fact still remains there are no such individual or business selling legitimate "mentoring" strategies to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible.

All businesses, which claim to be in the position of doing so, are without question bogus, as it would make absolutely no sense for any legitmate business to place themselves in such losing propositions.

$10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month for whatever it is one can spare on his or her credit card? SCAM!

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Mike Evans.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: No matter what the name of the company or how many times they decide to change their names, the fact still remains there are no such individual or business selling legitimate "mentoring" strategies to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible.

All businesses, which claim to be in the position of doing so, are without question bogus, as it would make absolutely no sense for any legitmate business to place themselves in such losing propositions.

$10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month for whatever it is one can spare on his or her credit card? SCAM!

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Mike Evans.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING: No matter what the name of the company or how many times they decide to change their names, the fact still remains there are no such individual or business selling legitimate "mentoring" strategies to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" claimed possible.

All businesses, which claim to be in the position of doing so, are without question bogus, as it would make absolutely no sense for any legitmate business to place themselves in such losing propositions.

$10,000.00-$15,000.00 a month for whatever it is one can spare on his or her credit card? SCAM!

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Mike Evans.

Hey there Adolph,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

Thank you very much for responding to my rebuttal. Your story tremendously validates my statement, in that being an attorney in the United States says, means, or proves nothing about ones character.

John Beck, like many other unsrupulous attorney's with no integrity are a total disgrace to the profession.

You are absolutely right Adolph regarding the "no paper trail" system often used by many crooked attornies.

Until next time, take care Adolph cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

A bit off topic, but Reid's statement brings back memories. Ahhhhh..memories!
Quote:
"John Beck's actions and participation in this "mentoring" nonsense has proven without a doubt, that being an Attorney in the United States DOES NOT require one to posses HONESTY, MORALS and or INTEGRITY."
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Sadly, sometimes such an attorney is most successful in making charges go away. About 15 years ago I received a serious traffic violation (over 2X speed limit) when I had no more room on my driver's license for any more points.
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After paying this attorney (with the proper shady reputation) the requested funds in CASH (and not even an unreasonable amount)all the records of my violation and upcoming case somehow magically disappered.
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When dealing with a corrupt, unscrupulous attorney well connected to "to the good ol' boys club". it can be a double edged sword. There's a chance he'll take your money and do NOTHING. Cash, no receipt,dig?

Hey there Joann,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

JOAN: There are so many victims and I don't understand how John Beck can keep doing this to people.

REID: You are absolutely right Joann. John Beck is not the only one peddling garbage. There are literally hundreds or even thousands of imbreeds peddling their Real Estate garbage on the Internet, via Infomercials, etc, etc.

There is no person or business selling legitimate "wealth building" information to total strangers for less than the "earning potential" they so fraudulently claim.

If something sounds to good to be true, it definitely is.

Until next time, take care Joann cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Joann,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

If I were you, I would definitely hold off on all decisions and activities, until your attorney returns from wherever he is.

Your attorney is your best defense and can provide you with the best advice on how to obtain a refund with just compensation.

I'd definitely be interested in class action. Inquire/consult with your attorney and with his permission, post his response on your next rebuttal.

Direct your attorney to the many complaints regarding John Beck and see if he'd possibly be interested in establishing something class action.

Class action in my honest opinion, would be least beneficial to you Joann, so be patient and wait for your attorney's advice.

Until next time, take care Joann cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Thanks again Reid, for all of your help. And thank you "don't wait on that lawsuit" for your willingness to advise me in the next direction. The credit card company has already refused their request to void the chargeback, and I've used up that line of credit to it's max so there's no way they're going in that direction.

I also have that agreement to refund the entire amount of $13960.00 in the form of an email with Kindell's email signature. And I have been keeping my attorney posted every step of the way. He says if they report this to the CRA's that we have a case and will proceed legally. Although I would love a class action.

There are so many victims and I don't understand how John Beck can keep doing this to people. I can't tell you how much it helps me sleep at night knowing I have people on my side, and I really want to thank you for that.

I am interested in finding out how to proceed with finding an attorney who would begin the process of a class action, so any advice anyone has to lead me in that direction will be well received.

What do you think about the email agreement? Isn't that a unilateral contract? Isn't it enforcable in court? My attorney is away right now, so I haven't had his ear to bend on this latest development, although I anticipated this might happen based on everyone elses testimony here. Thanks guys. JoAnn

I think the protest is a great idea - round up as many victims as you can, and march in front of the H.Q. with signs declaring how much money you have lost. Make sure you call up local media outlets before-hand.

I do not, however, think it is a good idea to postpone filing a lawsuit until this fraudulent collection is reflected on your credit reports.

Even a collection account that is discharged as illegitmate could potentially have a negative bearing on your credit. Furthermore, the legal process is a cumbersome beast, and it could be months or even years before your problem is resolved in the courts. All the while, that blight remains on your credit report.

I would get yourself a lawyer at this point. You will want to immediately file for an injunction preventing them from reporting this account to the credit reporting agencies. I am well versed in the law, but I couldn't begin to tell you how to go about doing this yourself. You need a lawyer.

This is a particularly egregious exercise on their part and I would hope, but doubt, that the law would allow you to recover legal fees eventually. Or, failing that, some hefty punitive damages to at least cover your legal bills.

75$ a minute for worthless phone consultations? That's completely ridiculous - per se evidence of a scam. If I could represent you, JoAnn, I would do it free of charge. But, alas, I can offer you no advisory assistance. If you need help finding some low cost legal help, however, I can point you in the right directions.

Update if you need any such assistance, and good luck!

Hey there Joann,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

JOANN: Hi. Well, I'm sure it won't be a surprise to anyone, but I got Kindell Graham the "Financial Dept. Supervisor" to write me an email stating that they would be refunding the entire amount of $13,960.00 which I have forwarded to my attorney.

REID: Joann, don't just take Kindell Graham's (Financial Dept. Supervisor) word for it. Don't believe ANYTHING you are told by ANYONE from this fraudulent company. This would be the absolute biggest mistake you have ever made.

This company is far beyond just a bad business. The John Beck Mentoring Institute is a flat out scam! Contact your credit card company immediately and let them know you're interested in disputing the charge(s) based on fraud and not their disguised "quality of service."

Believe me, your credit card company was fully aware of the John Beck scam, before they deliberately allowed your $13,960.00 to end up in the hands of the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute.

This careless act by credit card companies is AIDING and ABETTING by all definitions, regardless of credit card companies wanting to disguise these disputes as "quality of service" disputes.

JOANN: I just received a phone call from EPN stating that they are collecting $7246.31 for 4, 25 minute phone calls with their "mentor". That's $72.46 a minute for their rediculous worthless advice. Anyway, it looks as though I will be filing a law suit the minute EPN reports that bull to the CRA's. Of course no one from John Beck will return my calls, emails, or faxes.

REID: EPN is just part of the scam. EPN is a fraudulent and non-existant collection agency.

1. Take notice of how EPN randomly selects their victims. Legitimate collection agencies would go after everyone who has successfully defeated John Beck in an open dispute. Not just a select few.

2. Legitimate collection agencies would never attempt to collect on non-existant debts, which is exactly what EPN does by attempting to collect monies from many who have won a favorable decision in "open" disputes.

Once someone has won a favorable decision in an "open" credit card dispute, there no longer is a debt owed to the company, which failed to prove the dispute in their favor or to the contrary.

If EPN were a legitimate collection agency, I believe that they would have taken at least one person to court by now and sucessfully reclaimed monies they claimed were owed to them. No?

JOANN: What do you think Reid? What should I do now? What are you doing? Are you starting a class action? What about Dateline or 20/20?

REID: I've already PROVEN this company fraudulent in my credit card dispute.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute literally has nothing to prove a dispute in their favor or to the contrary. Ones true experience is all that's needed to roll this fraudulent company over in a dispute.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute like the many other fradulent businesses that exists, will attempt to drag out the dispute by submitting items that have nothing to do with the dispute at hand, but in the end the truth will prevail.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute submitted a letter to my credit card company literally "begging" to have the charges reversed in their favor.

The letter stated; Please issue a credit back to our account for $6,400.00. Cardholder has purchased our Real Estate Mentoring Program. Please see attached "SIGNED" Enrollment Agreement/Contract. Thank You. S. Lyons.

Notice how S. Lyons emphasized the word "SIGNED", as if a "SIGNED" agreement somehow meant, that the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute had been living up to and carrying out all of their
fraudulent claims?

I have NEVER denied enrolling into John Beck's fraudulent program, so for S. Lyons to even think about using my "SIGNED" agreement against me is ridiculous.

A "SIGNED" agreement only becomes necessary to prove and valid upon someone denying their agreement or envolvement with a particular program.

The mere attempt by S. Lyons to use a useless piece of paper against me, at the innapropriate time that he/she did, proves his/her desperate attempt to steal my money.

This is ABSOLUTE PROOF beyond any reasonable doubt, that the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute uses their "SIGNED" agreements as nothing more than traps to steal money.

So what if I "SIGNED" John Beck's fraudulent contract? I NEVER denied doing so. So what does my "SIGNED" agreement have to do with anything?

It took a lot of heartache and agonizing patience, but after much perserverence it was far worth it. Now reciting my experience has just become a full time hobby to protect everyone else.

JOANN: Let's get these guys, really get them where it hurts. If they get media exposure, maybe they'll be forced to stop ripping people off. I can't even imagine how they'd begin to explain how they charge different people different amounts (all according to what's available on their credit cards) for the exact same service. They give everyone the same line when they call.

That "what kind of a person are you" crap, and "what do you want for yourself in the future, what kind of life do you want" playing on people's dreams and then exploiting them. I mean it, lets organize and contact the media.

Let's put together some information, the most important information, and contact the major shows like Dateline, 60 minutes, 20/20, etc. Everyone would have to come together to tell their stories, but if it got their money back wouldn't it be worth the hassle of putting it together? Can't wait to hear back from you. JoAnn

REID: The best way to draw worldwide media atttention would probably be to pickit outside and in front of the fraudulent establishement. But of course this takes money, lot's and lot's of money.

I don't think enough people have the resources to fly out to Utah and California to accompish this. Class action sounds like a really good alternative. I have already expressed my interest to the webmaster and I hope you'll do the same Joann. Keep in touch.

Until next time, take care Joann cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Joann,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

JOANN: Hi. Well, I'm sure it won't be a surprise to anyone, but I got Kindell Graham the "Financial Dept. Supervisor" to write me an email stating that they would be refunding the entire amount of $13,960.00 which I have forwarded to my attorney.

REID: Joann, don't just take Kindell Graham's (Financial Dept. Supervisor) word for it. Don't believe ANYTHING you are told by ANYONE from this fraudulent company. This would be the absolute biggest mistake you have ever made.

This company is far beyond just a bad business. The John Beck Mentoring Institute is a flat out scam! Contact your credit card company immediately and let them know you're interested in disputing the charge(s) based on fraud and not their disguised "quality of service."

Believe me, your credit card company was fully aware of the John Beck scam, before they deliberately allowed your $13,960.00 to end up in the hands of the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute.

This careless act by credit card companies is AIDING and ABETTING by all definitions, regardless of credit card companies wanting to disguise these disputes as "quality of service" disputes.

JOANN: I just received a phone call from EPN stating that they are collecting $7246.31 for 4, 25 minute phone calls with their "mentor". That's $72.46 a minute for their rediculous worthless advice. Anyway, it looks as though I will be filing a law suit the minute EPN reports that bull to the CRA's. Of course no one from John Beck will return my calls, emails, or faxes.

REID: EPN is just part of the scam. EPN is a fraudulent and non-existant collection agency.

1. Take notice of how EPN randomly selects their victims. Legitimate collection agencies would go after everyone who has successfully defeated John Beck in an open dispute. Not just a select few.

2. Legitimate collection agencies would never attempt to collect on non-existant debts, which is exactly what EPN does by attempting to collect monies from many who have won a favorable decision in "open" disputes.

Once someone has won a favorable decision in an "open" credit card dispute, there no longer is a debt owed to the company, which failed to prove the dispute in their favor or to the contrary.

If EPN were a legitimate collection agency, I believe that they would have taken at least one person to court by now and sucessfully reclaimed monies they claimed were owed to them. No?

JOANN: What do you think Reid? What should I do now? What are you doing? Are you starting a class action? What about Dateline or 20/20?

REID: I've already PROVEN this company fraudulent in my credit card dispute.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute literally has nothing to prove a dispute in their favor or to the contrary. Ones true experience is all that's needed to roll this fraudulent company over in a dispute.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute like the many other fradulent businesses that exists, will attempt to drag out the dispute by submitting items that have nothing to do with the dispute at hand, but in the end the truth will prevail.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute submitted a letter to my credit card company literally "begging" to have the charges reversed in their favor.

The letter stated; Please issue a credit back to our account for $6,400.00. Cardholder has purchased our Real Estate Mentoring Program. Please see attached "SIGNED" Enrollment Agreement/Contract. Thank You. S. Lyons.

Notice how S. Lyons emphasized the word "SIGNED", as if a "SIGNED" agreement somehow meant, that the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute had been living up to and carrying out all of their
fraudulent claims?

I have NEVER denied enrolling into John Beck's fraudulent program, so for S. Lyons to even think about using my "SIGNED" agreement against me is ridiculous.

A "SIGNED" agreement only becomes necessary to prove and valid upon someone denying their agreement or envolvement with a particular program.

The mere attempt by S. Lyons to use a useless piece of paper against me, at the innapropriate time that he/she did, proves his/her desperate attempt to steal my money.

This is ABSOLUTE PROOF beyond any reasonable doubt, that the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute uses their "SIGNED" agreements as nothing more than traps to steal money.

So what if I "SIGNED" John Beck's fraudulent contract? I NEVER denied doing so. So what does my "SIGNED" agreement have to do with anything?

It took a lot of heartache and agonizing patience, but after much perserverence it was far worth it. Now reciting my experience has just become a full time hobby to protect everyone else.

JOANN: Let's get these guys, really get them where it hurts. If they get media exposure, maybe they'll be forced to stop ripping people off. I can't even imagine how they'd begin to explain how they charge different people different amounts (all according to what's available on their credit cards) for the exact same service. They give everyone the same line when they call.

That "what kind of a person are you" crap, and "what do you want for yourself in the future, what kind of life do you want" playing on people's dreams and then exploiting them. I mean it, lets organize and contact the media.

Let's put together some information, the most important information, and contact the major shows like Dateline, 60 minutes, 20/20, etc. Everyone would have to come together to tell their stories, but if it got their money back wouldn't it be worth the hassle of putting it together? Can't wait to hear back from you. JoAnn

REID: The best way to draw worldwide media atttention would probably be to pickit outside and in front of the fraudulent establishement. But of course this takes money, lot's and lot's of money.

I don't think enough people have the resources to fly out to Utah and California to accompish this. Class action sounds like a really good alternative. I have already expressed my interest to the webmaster and I hope you'll do the same Joann. Keep in touch.

Until next time, take care Joann cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Joann,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

JOANN: Hi. Well, I'm sure it won't be a surprise to anyone, but I got Kindell Graham the "Financial Dept. Supervisor" to write me an email stating that they would be refunding the entire amount of $13,960.00 which I have forwarded to my attorney.

REID: Joann, don't just take Kindell Graham's (Financial Dept. Supervisor) word for it. Don't believe ANYTHING you are told by ANYONE from this fraudulent company. This would be the absolute biggest mistake you have ever made.

This company is far beyond just a bad business. The John Beck Mentoring Institute is a flat out scam! Contact your credit card company immediately and let them know you're interested in disputing the charge(s) based on fraud and not their disguised "quality of service."

Believe me, your credit card company was fully aware of the John Beck scam, before they deliberately allowed your $13,960.00 to end up in the hands of the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute.

This careless act by credit card companies is AIDING and ABETTING by all definitions, regardless of credit card companies wanting to disguise these disputes as "quality of service" disputes.

JOANN: I just received a phone call from EPN stating that they are collecting $7246.31 for 4, 25 minute phone calls with their "mentor". That's $72.46 a minute for their rediculous worthless advice. Anyway, it looks as though I will be filing a law suit the minute EPN reports that bull to the CRA's. Of course no one from John Beck will return my calls, emails, or faxes.

REID: EPN is just part of the scam. EPN is a fraudulent and non-existant collection agency.

1. Take notice of how EPN randomly selects their victims. Legitimate collection agencies would go after everyone who has successfully defeated John Beck in an open dispute. Not just a select few.

2. Legitimate collection agencies would never attempt to collect on non-existant debts, which is exactly what EPN does by attempting to collect monies from many who have won a favorable decision in "open" disputes.

Once someone has won a favorable decision in an "open" credit card dispute, there no longer is a debt owed to the company, which failed to prove the dispute in their favor or to the contrary.

If EPN were a legitimate collection agency, I believe that they would have taken at least one person to court by now and sucessfully reclaimed monies they claimed were owed to them. No?

JOANN: What do you think Reid? What should I do now? What are you doing? Are you starting a class action? What about Dateline or 20/20?

REID: I've already PROVEN this company fraudulent in my credit card dispute.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute literally has nothing to prove a dispute in their favor or to the contrary. Ones true experience is all that's needed to roll this fraudulent company over in a dispute.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute like the many other fradulent businesses that exists, will attempt to drag out the dispute by submitting items that have nothing to do with the dispute at hand, but in the end the truth will prevail.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute submitted a letter to my credit card company literally "begging" to have the charges reversed in their favor.

The letter stated; Please issue a credit back to our account for $6,400.00. Cardholder has purchased our Real Estate Mentoring Program. Please see attached "SIGNED" Enrollment Agreement/Contract. Thank You. S. Lyons.

Notice how S. Lyons emphasized the word "SIGNED", as if a "SIGNED" agreement somehow meant, that the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute had been living up to and carrying out all of their
fraudulent claims?

I have NEVER denied enrolling into John Beck's fraudulent program, so for S. Lyons to even think about using my "SIGNED" agreement against me is ridiculous.

A "SIGNED" agreement only becomes necessary to prove and valid upon someone denying their agreement or envolvement with a particular program.

The mere attempt by S. Lyons to use a useless piece of paper against me, at the innapropriate time that he/she did, proves his/her desperate attempt to steal my money.

This is ABSOLUTE PROOF beyond any reasonable doubt, that the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute uses their "SIGNED" agreements as nothing more than traps to steal money.

So what if I "SIGNED" John Beck's fraudulent contract? I NEVER denied doing so. So what does my "SIGNED" agreement have to do with anything?

It took a lot of heartache and agonizing patience, but after much perserverence it was far worth it. Now reciting my experience has just become a full time hobby to protect everyone else.

JOANN: Let's get these guys, really get them where it hurts. If they get media exposure, maybe they'll be forced to stop ripping people off. I can't even imagine how they'd begin to explain how they charge different people different amounts (all according to what's available on their credit cards) for the exact same service. They give everyone the same line when they call.

That "what kind of a person are you" crap, and "what do you want for yourself in the future, what kind of life do you want" playing on people's dreams and then exploiting them. I mean it, lets organize and contact the media.

Let's put together some information, the most important information, and contact the major shows like Dateline, 60 minutes, 20/20, etc. Everyone would have to come together to tell their stories, but if it got their money back wouldn't it be worth the hassle of putting it together? Can't wait to hear back from you. JoAnn

REID: The best way to draw worldwide media atttention would probably be to pickit outside and in front of the fraudulent establishement. But of course this takes money, lot's and lot's of money.

I don't think enough people have the resources to fly out to Utah and California to accompish this. Class action sounds like a really good alternative. I have already expressed my interest to the webmaster and I hope you'll do the same Joann. Keep in touch.

Until next time, take care Joann cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hey there Joann,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

JOANN: Hi. Well, I'm sure it won't be a surprise to anyone, but I got Kindell Graham the "Financial Dept. Supervisor" to write me an email stating that they would be refunding the entire amount of $13,960.00 which I have forwarded to my attorney.

REID: Joann, don't just take Kindell Graham's (Financial Dept. Supervisor) word for it. Don't believe ANYTHING you are told by ANYONE from this fraudulent company. This would be the absolute biggest mistake you have ever made.

This company is far beyond just a bad business. The John Beck Mentoring Institute is a flat out scam! Contact your credit card company immediately and let them know you're interested in disputing the charge(s) based on fraud and not their disguised "quality of service."

Believe me, your credit card company was fully aware of the John Beck scam, before they deliberately allowed your $13,960.00 to end up in the hands of the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute.

This careless act by credit card companies is AIDING and ABETTING by all definitions, regardless of credit card companies wanting to disguise these disputes as "quality of service" disputes.

JOANN: I just received a phone call from EPN stating that they are collecting $7246.31 for 4, 25 minute phone calls with their "mentor". That's $72.46 a minute for their rediculous worthless advice. Anyway, it looks as though I will be filing a law suit the minute EPN reports that bull to the CRA's. Of course no one from John Beck will return my calls, emails, or faxes.

REID: EPN is just part of the scam. EPN is a fraudulent and non-existant collection agency.

1. Take notice of how EPN randomly selects their victims. Legitimate collection agencies would go after everyone who has successfully defeated John Beck in an open dispute. Not just a select few.

2. Legitimate collection agencies would never attempt to collect on non-existant debts, which is exactly what EPN does by attempting to collect monies from many who have won a favorable decision in "open" disputes.

Once someone has won a favorable decision in an "open" credit card dispute, there no longer is a debt owed to the company, which failed to prove the dispute in their favor or to the contrary.

If EPN were a legitimate collection agency, I believe that they would have taken at least one person to court by now and sucessfully reclaimed monies they claimed were owed to them. No?

JOANN: What do you think Reid? What should I do now? What are you doing? Are you starting a class action? What about Dateline or 20/20?

REID: I've already PROVEN this company fraudulent in my credit card dispute.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute literally has nothing to prove a dispute in their favor or to the contrary. Ones true experience is all that's needed to roll this fraudulent company over in a dispute.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute like the many other fradulent businesses that exists, will attempt to drag out the dispute by submitting items that have nothing to do with the dispute at hand, but in the end the truth will prevail.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute submitted a letter to my credit card company literally "begging" to have the charges reversed in their favor.

The letter stated; Please issue a credit back to our account for $6,400.00. Cardholder has purchased our Real Estate Mentoring Program. Please see attached "SIGNED" Enrollment Agreement/Contract. Thank You. S. Lyons.

Notice how S. Lyons emphasized the word "SIGNED", as if a "SIGNED" agreement somehow meant, that the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute had been living up to and carrying out all of their
fraudulent claims?

I have NEVER denied enrolling into John Beck's fraudulent program, so for S. Lyons to even think about using my "SIGNED" agreement against me is ridiculous.

A "SIGNED" agreement only becomes necessary to prove and valid upon someone denying their agreement or envolvement with a particular program.

The mere attempt by S. Lyons to use a useless piece of paper against me, at the innapropriate time that he/she did, proves his/her desperate attempt to steal my money.

This is ABSOLUTE PROOF beyond any reasonable doubt, that the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute uses their "SIGNED" agreements as nothing more than traps to steal money.

So what if I "SIGNED" John Beck's fraudulent contract? I NEVER denied doing so. So what does my "SIGNED" agreement have to do with anything?

It took a lot of heartache and agonizing patience, but after much perserverence it was far worth it. Now reciting my experience has just become a full time hobby to protect everyone else.

JOANN: Let's get these guys, really get them where it hurts. If they get media exposure, maybe they'll be forced to stop ripping people off. I can't even imagine how they'd begin to explain how they charge different people different amounts (all according to what's available on their credit cards) for the exact same service. They give everyone the same line when they call.

That "what kind of a person are you" crap, and "what do you want for yourself in the future, what kind of life do you want" playing on people's dreams and then exploiting them. I mean it, lets organize and contact the media.

Let's put together some information, the most important information, and contact the major shows like Dateline, 60 minutes, 20/20, etc. Everyone would have to come together to tell their stories, but if it got their money back wouldn't it be worth the hassle of putting it together? Can't wait to hear back from you. JoAnn

REID: The best way to draw worldwide media atttention would probably be to pickit outside and in front of the fraudulent establishement. But of course this takes money, lot's and lot's of money.

I don't think enough people have the resources to fly out to Utah and California to accompish this. Class action sounds like a really good alternative. I have already expressed my interest to the webmaster and I hope you'll do the same Joann. Keep in touch.

Until next time, take care Joann cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

How about that? Let's organize and go to Provo Ut right in front of their Boiler Room and protest for at least 2 days. We can make up picket signs that show how much money they ripped each of us off for and maybe the local media will pick it up. How much can it possibly be to fly to Provo Ut?

Hi. Well, I'm sure it won't be a surprise to anyone, but I got Kindell Graham the "Financial Dept. Supervisor" to write me an email stating that they would be refunding the entire amount of $13,960.00 which I have forwarded to my attorney.

I just received a phone call from EPN stating that they are collecting $7246.31 for 4, 25 minute phone calls with their "mentor". That's $72.46 a minute for their rediculous worthless advice. Anyway, it looks as though I will be filing a law suit the minute EPN reports that bull to the CRA's. Of course no one from John Beck will return my calls, emails, or faxes.

What do you think Reid? What should I do now? What are you doing? Are you starting a class action? What about Dateline or 20/20?

Let's get these guys, really get them where it hurts. If they get media exposure, maybe they'll be forced to stop ripping people off. I can't even imagine how they'd begin to explain how they charge different people different amounts (all according to what's available on their credit cards) for the exact same service. They give everyone the same line when they call.

That "what kind of a person are you" crap, and "what do you want for yourself in the future, what kind of life do you want" playing on people's dreams and then exploiting them. I mean it, lets organize and contact the media.

Let's put together some information, the most important information, and contact the major shows like Dateline, 60 minutes, 20/20, etc. Everyone would have to come together to tell their stories, but if it got their money back wouldn't it be worth the hassle of putting it together? Can't wait to hear back from you. JoAnn

Hi. Well, I'm sure it won't be a surprise to anyone, but I got Kindell Graham the "Financial Dept. Supervisor" to write me an email stating that they would be refunding the entire amount of $13,960.00 which I have forwarded to my attorney.

I just received a phone call from EPN stating that they are collecting $7246.31 for 4, 25 minute phone calls with their "mentor". That's $72.46 a minute for their rediculous worthless advice. Anyway, it looks as though I will be filing a law suit the minute EPN reports that bull to the CRA's. Of course no one from John Beck will return my calls, emails, or faxes.

What do you think Reid? What should I do now? What are you doing? Are you starting a class action? What about Dateline or 20/20?

Let's get these guys, really get them where it hurts. If they get media exposure, maybe they'll be forced to stop ripping people off. I can't even imagine how they'd begin to explain how they charge different people different amounts (all according to what's available on their credit cards) for the exact same service. They give everyone the same line when they call.

That "what kind of a person are you" crap, and "what do you want for yourself in the future, what kind of life do you want" playing on people's dreams and then exploiting them. I mean it, lets organize and contact the media.

Let's put together some information, the most important information, and contact the major shows like Dateline, 60 minutes, 20/20, etc. Everyone would have to come together to tell their stories, but if it got their money back wouldn't it be worth the hassle of putting it together? Can't wait to hear back from you. JoAnn

Hi. Well, I'm sure it won't be a surprise to anyone, but I got Kindell Graham the "Financial Dept. Supervisor" to write me an email stating that they would be refunding the entire amount of $13,960.00 which I have forwarded to my attorney.

I just received a phone call from EPN stating that they are collecting $7246.31 for 4, 25 minute phone calls with their "mentor". That's $72.46 a minute for their rediculous worthless advice. Anyway, it looks as though I will be filing a law suit the minute EPN reports that bull to the CRA's. Of course no one from John Beck will return my calls, emails, or faxes.

What do you think Reid? What should I do now? What are you doing? Are you starting a class action? What about Dateline or 20/20?

Let's get these guys, really get them where it hurts. If they get media exposure, maybe they'll be forced to stop ripping people off. I can't even imagine how they'd begin to explain how they charge different people different amounts (all according to what's available on their credit cards) for the exact same service. They give everyone the same line when they call.

That "what kind of a person are you" crap, and "what do you want for yourself in the future, what kind of life do you want" playing on people's dreams and then exploiting them. I mean it, lets organize and contact the media.

Let's put together some information, the most important information, and contact the major shows like Dateline, 60 minutes, 20/20, etc. Everyone would have to come together to tell their stories, but if it got their money back wouldn't it be worth the hassle of putting it together? Can't wait to hear back from you. JoAnn

Hi. Well, I'm sure it won't be a surprise to anyone, but I got Kindell Graham the "Financial Dept. Supervisor" to write me an email stating that they would be refunding the entire amount of $13,960.00 which I have forwarded to my attorney.

I just received a phone call from EPN stating that they are collecting $7246.31 for 4, 25 minute phone calls with their "mentor". That's $72.46 a minute for their rediculous worthless advice. Anyway, it looks as though I will be filing a law suit the minute EPN reports that bull to the CRA's. Of course no one from John Beck will return my calls, emails, or faxes.

What do you think Reid? What should I do now? What are you doing? Are you starting a class action? What about Dateline or 20/20?

Let's get these guys, really get them where it hurts. If they get media exposure, maybe they'll be forced to stop ripping people off. I can't even imagine how they'd begin to explain how they charge different people different amounts (all according to what's available on their credit cards) for the exact same service. They give everyone the same line when they call.

That "what kind of a person are you" crap, and "what do you want for yourself in the future, what kind of life do you want" playing on people's dreams and then exploiting them. I mean it, lets organize and contact the media.

Let's put together some information, the most important information, and contact the major shows like Dateline, 60 minutes, 20/20, etc. Everyone would have to come together to tell their stories, but if it got their money back wouldn't it be worth the hassle of putting it together? Can't wait to hear back from you. JoAnn

Hey there Joann,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

JOAN: Hello everyone! Well, I have been told by Kindall, Mary and Gina of Mentoring of America that they will not fight the charge back that Bank One did for me in the full amount of $13960.00!!

REID: That's great! They'd just be wasting time attempting to fight the charge back. When I disputed the charges, the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute kept on submitting items, which proved absolutely nothing regarding my experience to the contrary.

EXAMPLE: The scam John Beck Mentoring Institute insisted, that I signed their bogus contract, therefore, were binded to the terms and conditions of the agreement, which by the way, had not been stipulated on the contract.

You know what? That's great! I admitted to signing the contract! I have not once denied enrolling into John Beck's fraudulent "mentoring" program, therefore, their counter disputes have contridicted nothing.

JOAN: Bank One told me that they have to give Mentoring of America 45 days to fight the charge back anyway. That will be over on February 26, 2005.

REID: Just a formality. Gives fraudulent businesses an oportunity for one last desperate attempt to obtain your money.

JOAN: Thank you Reid and everyone who writes in to this site. You've really made a difference for me and my family.

REID: You're very welcome Joan. Glad that I could be of assistance. I only wish, that everyone would have come across this site before shelling out thousands for fraudulent "mentoring" programs.

JOAN: Thank you for your encouraging words, and I will be checking this site often to try and help everyone else who falls victim to this scam.

Reid, have you considered contacting a news program like Date Line or 20/20? They seem to like investigating these stories. I would love to provide them with information to help their investigation, as I'm sure you would also!

REID: Been there, done that. I have submitted many emails to nationally syndicated news programs and media networks to no avail. Media companies are flooded with emails daily and can't possibly respond to all of them.

I'm going to wait patiently for that inevidble day, when someone from a well established news company takes interest in our story. I'm in no hurry, for John beck's programs will not become legitimate overnight. LOL.

JOAN: Maybe that would be a good next step. Let me know what you think.

REID: Keep in touch Joann.

Until next time, take care Joann cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Good for you Joann, Hope life go good from here.

My fight snd wife will continue. They seem to

little interest in resolving things with out

an attorney to guide them in the right direction.

I have discussed this with an attorney and

retained his services. So we will go from here.

Good Luck & God Bless you and yours.

Zip

Hello everyone! Well, I have been told by Kindall, Mary and Gina of Mentoring of America that they will not fight the charge back that Bank One did for me in the full amount of $13960.00!!

Bank One told me that they have to give Mentoring of America 45 days to fight the charge back anyway. That will be over on February 26, 2005.

Thank you Reid and everyone who writes in to this site. You've really made a difference for me and my family.

Thank you for your encouraging words, and I will be checking this site often to try and help everyone else who falls victim to this scam.

Reid, have you considered contacting a news program like Date Line or 20/20? They seem to like investigating these stories. I would love to provide them with information to help their investigation, as I'm sure you would also!

Maybe that would be a good next step. Let me know what you think.

Thanks everyone.
Until next time.

Hey there Everyone,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

WARNING! There is absolutely NOTHING about John Beck's Free and Clear program/Amazing profit's program/"mentoring"/seminars/workshops, that are legitimate.

F%CK IT! Even the fact, that John Beck is an "attorney" don't mean or PROVE $h!t! His programs are without a doubt fraudulent!

Don't purchase any of John Beck's programs. You'll be sorry if you do. They're ALL scams!

1. Just selling dreams (empty promises) via PAID Infomercial. Peddling bags of gold, while delivering bags of cow dung.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute blatantly misrepresents it's program and fails to live up to any of they're claims and end of agreement.

John Beck's Infomercial is deceptive and misleading and contains much fine (hidden) print? John Beck's Infomercial is flat out fraudulent!

2. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute INSISTS on taping ones agreement to enroll, but REFUSES to tape any of their fraudulent and bogus salespitches?

3. The cost of John Beck's fraudulent "mentoring" program is directly proportional to ones "available credit"? Just happens to cost what one has "available" on his or her credit card? LOL.

Wouldn't it be great if the cost of luxury automobiles were determined using this same factor?

4. Contract does not stipulate necessary items to be considered legally binding. Severely lacks DISCLOSURE: Exact terms and conditions, policies and procedures, penalties in the event of a breech, etc, etc.

John Beck's contract may have very well been drafted by a retaded ape.

5. Way too many unacknowledged, unresolved, and unanswered complaints/reports regarding John Beck's fraudulent entity, to even be considered a legitimate business.

Any legitimate business, that had nothing to hide would find it an honer to come forward in the public eye and speak "openly" about their business, products and services.

6. John Beck is an attorney? LMAO. Yeeeah! Just goes to show, that even law education can be "store bought". Character, Morals, Integrity and the likes, are instilled and cannot be "store bought."

I used to have the utmost respect for all, that attended law school and received their law degrees.

After encountering John Beck and his unscrupulous activities, I have no choice but to laugh, for he has PROVEN, that being a lawyer in America requires absolutely none of which we all thought necessary.

SAAAAAAAAAD! Disgrace to the Human Race! Phoney! Result of incest! Genetic Imbreed! Decrepid! No Morals! Zero Integrity! Should seriously consider Suicide!

Until next time, take care Everyone cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

P.S. Hey imbreed Mike Evans! For the cost of whatever you have "available" on your credit card, I can "mentor" you to possess some of the traits, that would make you a respectable human being. LMAO at John Beck's scam.

Hi Joan and Reid my report is the one filed right after yours, Zip,

What I can tell you is my supplies sent are not open and they still not want to exept them back. At least they sent you a form for a refund. I have contacted an attorney I am finally getting tired of the BS. Hard to say the end results still disputing with the card company at the moment. Keep after them. And it maybe a good idea Reid on the class action suit. Talk with you later. Good luck and God Bless. Zip

Hey there Joann,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

JOAN: Thank you for your advice and help Reid. I hope you are doing spectacularly well!! I can tell you are truely an advocate of the victims of this kind of fraud.

REID: You're so welcome Joan. I myself, have been scammed by the fraudulent John Beck (attorney)Mentoring Institute.

The fact that this decrepid imbreed uses his position as attorney to possibly intimidate his victims or attempt to give his fraudulent program credibility is incomprehensible and a major embarrasement to ALL attornies across AMERICA.

JOAN: I did in fact receive their "refund agreement" but it was somewhat of a joke.

It said that "Used or opened materials would not be accepted" and that to get the refund, we had to return the "unopened" materials. Of course they're opened, how else would I know what a farse their program is, aside from their crappy mentoring program.

REID: Their "refund agreement" couldn't possibly be funnier than their contract could it? John Beck's fraudulent mentoring program offers a "three day right to cancel", which they DO NOT honor.

Instead they'll attempt to give their victims the run around long enough for ones right to dispute the charge expires. Their "three day right to cancel" is just another "clause" (loophole) which allows crooks like John Beck to literally STEAL money.

JOANN: So, I emailed my attorney (Alex Trueblood of the Trueblood Law Firm in Los Angeles, Ca) who is, by the way, the most reputable upstanding attorney I've ever encountered.

REID: That's wonderful Joan! It's nice to know you've found a REAL attorney and not one who has no MORALS, SCRUPLES, or INTEGRITY.

JOANN: He told me to make some changes which included deleting the "Used or opened materials" clause and changing the word "unopened" to opened.
I did just that, and accompanied the changed form with a fax explaining the changes and letting them know that if I did not receive a revised refund agreement by end of business on January 18, 2005 that I would proceed legally.
I mean it too. I've had my identity stolen before, and I REFUSE to let these criminals get away with stealing almost 14K from me and my family.

REID: At this point, there's not enough irrefutable evidence in the world, which would PROVE the many unacknowledged and unresolved complaints against nonsense "mentoring" prorams false or to the contrary.

I am not in this campaign for money, but rather to protect AS MANY AS I POSSIBLY CAN, from falling victim to Infomercial scams. Remember, "Wealth building strategies" are NEVER for sale!

If you ever find information regarding any legal actions against PMI, John Beck or any "mentoring" companies, please do let me know.

JOAN: If they do send this to collections, I will send the collection agency a cease and disist letter, and if they report it to the credit bureaus I will sue them for damages.

REID: Everyone knows, that any collection agency that's conducting business with a fraudulent company, must be fraudulent themselves.

Once someone successfully wins a favorable decision in an "open" dispute, any and all debt would be erased and cease to exist.

Any legitimate collection agency would be aware of this and would definitely not attempt to collect on a non-existant debt.

John Beck's programs are scams and I would tell any collection agency willing to collect on his behalf to consider suicide.

Doesn't it strike you as kind of weird Joan, that John Beck's fraudulent collection agency randomly selects it's victims?

I haven't received a letter from John Beck's fraudulent collection agency and I wuped their a$$es.

JOAN: I've had to do that before with American Agencies, an unscrupulous collection agency in San Diego Ca. I can't say what the settlement figure was, but I'm sure it got their attention.

REID: AWESOME! If you're not refunded within a certain time frame, I suggest you consider doing it once more.

Contact me through the rebuttal box and let's do something class action.

JOAN: Oh, and I most certainly did refer Mentoring of America about this site, and I even printed some of the text from pissed off ex-customers and faxed it right along with my demand. I also faxed some pages from this site to my credit card company, Bank One.

REID: If worst comes to worst, have someone from your credit card company come forward to "openly" discuss your dispute.

Otherwise, your credit card company may unecessarily drag the dispute on far longer than it has to be.

MBNA has done this to me. They insisted on constantly taking items from the fraudulent John Beck Mentoring institute, which had absolutely nothing to do with my dispute, thus unecessarily prolonging the painful process.

1. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute have furnised absolutely zero items, which PROVED my dispute erroneous or to the contrary.

2. The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute have provided absolutely zero reasons, as to why I should pay for their services.

3. The frauduelent John Beck Mentoring Institute have failed miserably, to PROVE the worthiness of their program and that they have lived up to their claims.

Any legitimate company, which had nothing to hide, would definitely be very willing to come forward to address and resolve matters out in the "open".

Fraudulent companies create more INFOMERCIALS! LOL

JOAN: My attorney even logged on to this site. I think it's great. I'll keep you posted.

Until next time, take care Joann cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Thank you for your advice and help Reid. I hope you are doing spectacularly well!! I can tell you are truely an advocate of the victims of this kind of fraud.

I did in fact receive their "refund agreement" but it was somewhat of a joke.

It said that "Used or opened materials would not be accepted" and that to get the refund, we had to return the "unopened" materials. Of course they're opened, how else would I know what a farse their program is, aside from their crappy mentoring program.

So, I emailed my attorney (Alex Trueblood of the Trueblood Law Firm in Los Angeles, Ca) who is, by the way, the most reputable upstanding attorney I've ever encountered.

He told me to make some changes which included deleting the "Used or opened materials" clause and changing the word "unopened" to opened.
I did just that, and accompanied the changed form with a fax explaining the changes and letting them know that if I did not receive a revised refund agreement by end of business on January 18, 2005 that I would proceed legally.
I mean it too. I've had my identity stolen before, and I REFUSE to let these criminals get away with stealing almost 14K from me and my family.

If they do send this to collections, I will send the collection agency a cease and disist letter, and if they report it to the credit bureaus I will sue them for damages.

I've had to do that before with American Agencies, an unscrupulous collection agency in San Diego Ca. I can't say what the settlement figure was, but I'm sure it got their attention.

Oh, and I most certainly did refer Mentoring of America about this site, and I even printed some of the text from pissed off ex-customers and faxed it right along with my demand. I also faxed some pages from this site to my credit card company, Bank One.

My attorney even logged on to this site. I think it's great. I'll keep you posted.

Hey there Joann,

I hope that this rebuttal finds you in good spirits and health.

I guess by you already knew, that I'd be one of the first to respond to what I have already PROVEN is a scam.

Don't worry about a thing, once you've received your refund from John Beck's fraudulent Mentoring Institute, you won't be charged any interest and or service charges on the bogus transaction.

John Beck is a major disgrace to his profession, if he's indeed an attorney as he claims. John Beck is also a disgrace to America and mankind in general.

It's no wonder this decrepid, genetic imbreed decided to peddle garbage, instead of practicing law.

John Beck's actions and participation in this "mentoring" nonsense has proven without a doubt, that being an Attorney in the United States DOES NOT require one to posses HONESTY, MORALS and or INTEGRITY.

Direct your credit card company to this website and the many unacknowledged and unresolved reports regarding his fraudulent activities.

The John Beck Mentoring Institute is fraudulent without question. They have nothing to submit, which would allow them to win a favorable decision in an "open" dispute.

The fraudulent John Beck Mentoring Institute may very well even attempt to send your dispute to their fraudulent collection agency.

IMPORTANT: Once someone successfully wins a favorable decision in an "open" dispute, there no longer exists any "debt" to be collected on.

Any "debt" would be considered erased and therefore, any and all letters from a collection agency attempting to collect on the non-existant debt may be safely ignored or even discarded.

Once someone has successfully PROVEN his or her case in an "open" credit card dispute, he or she does not have to worry about anything else, but keeping copies of all documents pertaining to his or her successful dispute.

Gee, I wonder why they haven't sent me to their bogus collection agency? LMAO. I wonder why their collection agency randomly selects their victims? Could it have anything to do with their collection agency being fraudulent as well? LOL.

If you have any comments, sugesstions, questions or concerns regarding your dispute Joann, feel free to ask them through a rebuttal and I will respond as soon as time permits.

Until next time, take care Joann cause I care, Aloha from Hawaii and God Bless.

Hi Everyone! Well, I sent Mentoring of America somewhat of a demand letter last night, giving them one last chance to agree to refund my money ($13,960.00) and today I got a call saying they'd be faxing me a "refund agreement" for the full amount. I don't know if they are aware that my credit card company (Bank One) has already credited my account, and are investigating them now to determine whether or not they will do a charge back. A charge back, the way I understand it, is directly charging John Beck's Mentoring of America's account for the money due to me. That way, the credit card company isn't out the money either. I guess the interest I lost is just a lesson learned. I will update again when I actually have the refund agreement in my hot little hands. JoAnn