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  • Submitted: Sun, January 14, 2001
  • Updated: Sun, January 14, 2001

  • Reported By:Troy IL
Johnson's Floor Covering
8110 Collinsville Rd. Collinsville, Illinois U.S.A.

Johnson's Floor Covering & Pro Flooring - improper installation Laminate Flooring rip off

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*0: update Johnson's Floor Covering & Pro Flooring - improper installation Laminate Flooring rip off

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My research indicates every rule regarding laminate floors was broken. My floor was nailed, no 1/4" expansion gap around edges, subfloor unprepared, unacclimated. And the store who sold the material as well as the installers are refusing to put in a new floor. I've spent almost $4,000 and have garbage. If anyone wants to see the letter from the manufacturers rep letter I'm sure I can figure out how to scan it. It basically says where the floor wasn't nailed it doesn't have a full 1/4" expansion gap.

This is the basic complaint I'm making to the Better Business Bureau tomorrow. Would have already made it but their site has been down since yesterday afternoon.

If anyone has any other suggestions of where I complain I'd love to hear them.

November 2000, Johnson's Floor Covering sold me wood laminate flooring and arranged for Pro Flooring to install in my house.

Pro charged $1,255 for labor and ruined $1,607 of materials by improper installation. Plus I spent about $275 to have my house re-keyed, replace garage door opener, brand new drill and brand new 20' measuring tape. And I have paid for an additional $786 of material that is still sitting at Johnson's waiting to be installed. So far I have spent $3,923 for labor, material and replacing items.

After repeated calls to Johnson's and Pro and an inspection by a Shaw Industries representative (manufacturer's rep), neither Johnson's nor Pro have replaced my floor.

The attached is my response to the Shaw Industries rep who inspected the floor. I will be sending it certified mail tomorrow.

Anne Kamadulski
1284 Troy Ofallon Rd
Troy, IL, 62294

Shaw Industries
Tony Bickoff
516 East Walnut Avenue
PO Drawer 2128
Dalton, GA, 30722-2128

Johnson's Floor Covering
Brenda and Bill Sparrow
8110 Collinsville Rd.
Collinsville, IL, 62234

January 15, 2001

Dear Mr. Bickhoff and Mrs. Sparrow,

Bill Sparrow, Johnsons's Floor Covering, faxed me Mr. Bickoff's letter regarding problems found on Mr. Bickoff's and Mrs. Sparrow's Dec. 22nd inspection of the Shaw Decades Natural Classics laminate floor installed at my home in November. It mentions nails, no expansion gaps around floor edges, floor buckling, seams peaking, edges cupping. It does not mention the problems listed below that I remember Mr. Bickoff, Mrs. Sparrow and I also discussed:

1. 1/8 cracks on either side of two boards by door to garage. Those two boards slide when walk on. Per Mr. Bickhoff boards were unable to move because no expansion gap and resulting pressure from missing expansion gap caused glue between boards to break.

2. Mrs. Sparrow pointed out not enough glue used between two or three boards by patio doors.

3. Living room laminate not acclimated. Mr. Bickhoff compared it to carpet swelling and rolling in the summer. I take that to mean floor will buckle more this summer.

4. No sealant around kitchen sink. Mr. Bickhoff said there is a sealant that can be used.

5. Chipped corners. Mrs. Sparrow stated installers did not report any material damage.

6. Mrs. Sparrow agreed with me that the peaks on the plywood sub-floor in the living room need to be ground off before more laminate is laid.

Notify me by certified mail, on your letterhead, at my address on the top of this letter, in the next ten business days, if either of you disagree with my statement of facts.

Mr. Bickoff I need additional assistance from you. Johnson's has been unable to answer the questions, or provide the product literature and a repair kit, all of which I requested from them 12-23 and are listed below. So I've no one else to ask but you. Please send answers, product literature and a repair kit to me by certified mail in the next ten business days. My address is at the top of this letter. Enclosed is Johnson's material ticket to identify the laminate.

Answers Needed From Mr. Bickhoff:

1. Manufacturer's opinion on exactly what damages are caused by the following and over what time periods damages will occur:
A. Nails
B. Missing expansion gap

1 of 2
C. No acclimation
D. Insufficient glue
E. No water sealant around kitchen sink

2. Manufacturer's recommendations to remedy problems found on Dec. 22nd inspection.

3. Does improper installation void manufacturer's warranty? Where exactly in the warranty is it stated?

Product Literature and Repair Kit Requested from Mr. Bickhoff

1. Manufacturer's warranty

2. *Detailed installation guides. Specifically addressing sub-floor slope and condition, material used between sub-floor and laminate, type of glue, glue application, color sealant for wet areas, acclimation, nails, expansion gap, laminate cutting and laying procedures.

3. *Detailed troubleshooting guides. Specifically methods to determine if correct amount of glue used, correction of improper installation.

4. *Detailed Repair guides. Specifically dismantling laminate and replacing boards.

5. Care and Cleaning guides.

6. Repair kit.

*Detailed means professional guides that can be used to actually install, troubleshoot and repair the floor.

Your prompt attention and time are appreciated,

Anne Kamadulski

Enclosures 2: Copy Mr. Bickoff's letter regarding 12-22 inspection, Copy Johnson's laminate ticket

CC by certified mail: Ron Landon and Mark Files DBA Pro Flooring, 921 N 38th, Belleville, IL, 62221

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After I threatened to picket their store and call the news media to the picket line and pass out flyers, Johnson's refunded my money for the labor and material $3,600. I've cancelled my Better Business Bureau complaint.
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update Johnson's Floor Covering & Pro Flooring - improper installation Laminate Flooring rip off

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Here's the complaint I filed online with the Better Business Bureau this morning. Also forgot it's MLK day so I can't mail the letter to the manufacturer's rep tomorrow.

Better Business Bureau Online Complaint System

The following complaint was submitted on 1/15/2001 9:11:22 AM:

CUSTOMER INFORMATION:

Ms. Anne Kamadulski

COMPANY OR ORGANIZATION INFORMATION:

Johnson's Floor Covering
8110 Collinsville Road
Collinsville, IL United States 62234
(618)345-5696


COMPLAINT INFORMATION:

Complaint #: 200575
Complaint Type: Company (other than automobile)
Date Received: 1/15/2001
Primary Complaint Classification: Service Issues
Secondary Complaint Classification: Guarantee or Warranty Issues
Complaint:
November 2000, Johnson's Floor Covering sold me laminate flooring and arranged for Pro Flooring to install in my house. Pro charged $1,255 for labor and ruined $1,607 of materials by improper installation. Plus I spent about $275 to have my house re-keyed, replace garage door opener, brand new drill and brand new 20' measuring tape. And I have paid for an additional $786 of material that is still sitting at Johnson's waiting to be installed. So far I have spent $3,923 for labor, material and replacing items. After repeated calls to Johnson's and Pro and an inspection by a Shaw Industries representative (manufacturer's rep), neither Johnson's nor Pro have replaced my floor. In addition to the labor, material, missing items I also have incurred cost for many phone calls, a $260 mediation fee, fees for certified mail postage $9, stationary $2, copies $3, and mileage $2.72, which Johnson's and Pro should also reimburse me for. Total aprox $280 So I want 1255 + 1607 + 275 + 786 + 280 = 4,203 I also need a complaint filed against Pro Flooring they are the second company that was involved. Their names and address are: Mark Landon and Ron Files DBA Pro Flooring 921 N. 38th Belleville, IL, 62221
Desired Settlement: Refund
Settlement Explanation:
I want all my money back $4,183 and to I'll go to another company.
Customer Service Rep: Mr. Bill and Brenda Sparrow
Product or Service: Wood laminate floor and installation
Model Number: Shaw Decades
Account Number: n/a
Order Number: 79166, 79177, 79194,
Salesperson: Mr. Bill Sparrow
Payment Made: Yes
Purchase Price: 3648
Disputed Amount: 4203
Payment Method: Cash
Purchase Date:
Problem Date:
Complaint Dates:


The bureau that will handle your complaint is:

BBB of E. Missouri & S. Illinois
12 Sunnen Drive, Ste. 121
Saint Louis, MO 63143
Phone: (314)645-3300
Fax: (314)645-2666
Email: bbbstl@stlnet.com

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