- Report: #972441
Report - Rebuttal - Arbitrate
Complaint Review: Juliens Auctions
Juliens AuctionsWiltshire Blvd, Beverley Hills, California Internet United States of America
Juliens Auctions Darren Julien OVER 200 MICHAEL JACKSON FORGERIES Internet
*Consumer Comment: So what came from all of this?
*REBUTTAL Owner of company: JULIANS AUCTION BEVERLY HILLS
*Consumer Comment: What does it matter what her name is anyway?
*Author of original report: Thank you
*Consumer Comment: Does this make you feel like a BIGGER person?
*Consumer Comment: In their own words
*Consumer Comment: Speaking of Loonie Tunes
*Consumer Comment: top respected, professional autograph authenticators
*Consumer Comment: Julien Auction has INDEED Sold Fraudulent Items for $Millions
*Consumer Comment: You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something
*Author of original report: Debbie NOT Jackson
*Consumer Comment: It says they are investigating
*Author of original report: UPDATE!! The smoking gun!!
*Consumer Comment: Who is the author of this report?
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On December 2, Julien's Auctions is selling The Collection of Tompkins and Bush. The collection contains 465 lots of Michael Jackson memorabilia, 294 of them autographed by him. Michael Bush and the late Dennis Tompkins were Michael Jackson's
costume designers for 25 years, during Jackson's most successful period. They were the consignors of the signed Thriller jacket that Julien's sold for $1,800,000 in June 2011
At least 250 signatures are forgeries, we have had expert evaluation! see discussion here, multiple samples of Michael Jackson's signatures posted, none match those in Juliens auctions catalog..
there is a very good reason you are not familiar with this "version" of Michael Jackson's signature. That is because these are NOT Michael Jackson's signatures. [continued below]....
When MJ used the "two swoop" style J in Jackson, HE did it with STYLE, FLUIDITY, ELEGANCE and GRACE, there are heavy and light strokes and you can tell he produced the signature QUICKLY - just like we all do when signing OUR OWN NAME.
Conversely, ALL! the forged J's in Juliens upcoming 12/2/12 auction are COMPLETELY without FLOW, STYLE and GRACE. They are HEAVY and CLUNKY and AMATEUR looking. THERE ARE NUMEROUS OTHER DECREPANCIES CLEARLY MANIFESTED IN THE JULIENS AUCTION FORGERIES. They show HESITATION MARKS where the forger slowed up their hand movement to THINK about what to do NEXT. Every persons signature, while retaining its own overall unique fingerprint, shows slight variations based on day, month, year, situation, mood, etc. NOTE: There is NO variation to these fraudulent signatures being advertised for sale by Juliens. CLEARLY, the signatures were mass produced and NOT done over the years, as is
being represented by Darren Julien and Michael Bush. As someone with an astute eye for detail, I have diligently studied
Michael Jacksons signature and handwriting style for several years. I have done extensive research through PSA/DNA, PAAS, JSA, Autograph Magazine and have monitored eBay auctions of both genuine and forged Michael Jackson signatures, on a regular basis for several years. I KNOW I've seen forgeries by this SAME forger as the Juliens signatures all over eBay for 2-3 years up until very recently. Interestingly, I can no longer find any active or completed auctions on eBay by this forger.
Notably, the hat on page 184 of Juliens catalog - the forgery on the Budapest police hat - I KNOW FOR A FACT that I saw a hat JUST LIKE THIS WITH THE SAME OBVIOUS FORGERY FOR SALE ON EBAY RECENTLY - within the last 2-3 weeks. THAT TOO HAS BEEN REMOVED from the ebay database.
I MUST TELL YOU that the HUNDREDS of fake signatures being passed off by Juliens Auctions and Michael Bush in their upcoming anticipated Sell Off of Illegal merchandize are some of the most shamelessly AMATEUR forgeries of Michael Jacksons signature that I have ever seen. ALL THE TELL TALE SIGNS OF A FORGERY ARE PRESENT ON EACH AND EVERY
ONE OF THESE ITEMS. The massive quantity and obviously POOR QUALITY of these fake Michael autographs, along with ALL of the involved Persons brazenness to do this IN THE STARK LIGHT OF DAY.. IS UTTERLY SHOCKING.
THIS AUCTION MUST NOT TAKE PLACE!
PLEASE express your opinion as to not recognizing the Julien's signature "examples" as those of ANY genuine Michael Jackson signature you have EVER seen to Twitter accounts: @JuliensAuctions @tompkinsandbush @MJonlineteam - AND via email to:
PLEASE ASK THE PARTIES INVOLVED TO STOP THIS AUCTION! Thank you.
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