• Report: #285294

Complaint Review: Kasamba

  • Submitted: Sun, November 18, 2007
  • Updated: Sat, April 11, 2009

  • Reported By:Waterloo Ontario
Kasamba
Waterloo, Ontario Canada

Kasamba The LIST of psychics i went to on the Kasamba site Waterloo Ontario

*Consumer Comment: RE: Differences of opinion....

*Consumer Comment: Differences of opinion on what constitutes a psychic/spiritual adviser

*UPDATE Employee: Rolling eyes at Alice from Waterloo

*Consumer Comment: Scratch that

*Consumer Comment: It did "help" in a way

*Consumer Comment: JH - you saved yourself money, dont feel bad

*Consumer Comment: There is ONE legitimate post in this loooooong string........

*Consumer Comment: There is ONE legitimate post in this loooooong string........

*Consumer Comment: There is ONE legitimate post in this loooooong string........

*Consumer Comment: Another who hangs up - upsetting to me

*Consumer Comment: Another who hangs up - upsetting to me

*Consumer Comment: Another who hangs up - upsetting to me

*Consumer Comment: My "final" take one one of my questionable ones

*Consumer Comment: Maybe we should remember why we're here

*Consumer Comment: Fira it's clear you're the one who's paranoid

*Consumer Comment: Fira - excellent posts

*Consumer Comment: Paranoid much, Patti?

*Consumer Comment: Dear, JH

*Consumer Comment: Dear, JH

*Consumer Comment: Dear, JH

*Consumer Comment: Dear, JH

*Consumer Comment: Patti, is it?

*Consumer Comment: Slight Update to Reviews

*Consumer Comment: S is right JH

*Consumer Comment: JH.....

*Consumer Comment: JH.....

*Consumer Comment: JH.....

*Consumer Comment: JH.....

*Consumer Comment: Getting Silly

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Jh

*Consumer Comment: Patti, you're really going too far

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Yep

*Consumer Comment: Patti

*Consumer Comment: Regarding names Patti

*Consumer Comment: DOB

*Consumer Comment: Names

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: For Lucy

*Consumer Comment: For Suzanne

*UPDATE Employee: Unclear

*Consumer Comment: Patterns

*Consumer Comment: For Suzanne

*Consumer Comment: For Suzanne

*Consumer Comment: For Suzanne

*Consumer Comment: For Suzanne

*Consumer Comment: names and dob

*Consumer Comment: names and dob

*Consumer Comment: names and dob

*Consumer Comment: names and dob

*Consumer Comment: Good ideas

*UPDATE Employee: In response

*Consumer Comment: Validation

*Consumer Comment: Validation....

*Consumer Comment: Validation....

*Consumer Comment: Validation....

*Consumer Comment: Validation....

*Consumer Comment: energies they pick up

*Consumer Comment: energies they pick up

*Consumer Comment: energies they pick up

*Consumer Comment: any names? :P

*Consumer Comment: JH

*Consumer Comment: Update to reviews

*Consumer Comment: Wow -- Edited Feedback

*Consumer Comment: My Reviews of Readers -- Part 1

*Consumer Comment: not for long

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: And there is the proof that Janice never really leaves

*Consumer Comment: Karen

*Consumer Suggestion: Janice / Jackie

*Consumer Comment: Karen - Why are you so angry and nasty?

*Consumer Suggestion: No One

*Consumer Suggestion: No One

*Consumer Suggestion: No One

*Consumer Suggestion: No One

*Consumer Comment: Yes Jackie and No Jh

*Consumer Comment: Is This a Book?

*Consumer Comment: Is This a Book?

*Consumer Comment: Is This a Book?

*Consumer Comment: Is This a Book?

*Consumer Comment: The mute button

*Consumer Suggestion: Mute

*Consumer Comment: I set Dr Love up

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: yes

*Consumer Comment: now isn't it just a little bit hypocritical

*Consumer Suggestion: Good Idea JH

*Consumer Comment: no problem Jh

*Consumer Comment: Am going to wait after all

*Consumer Comment: You're Right, Lucy

*Consumer Comment: Understanding and learning

*Consumer Comment: Understanding and learning

*Consumer Comment: Understanding and learning

*Consumer Comment: Understanding and learning

*Consumer Comment: Jh - I know u are for real

*Consumer Suggestion: Geez, Patti!

*Consumer Comment: Once again

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Thank you Karen

*Consumer Suggestion: I don't think that's it

*Consumer Suggestion: I don't think that's it

*Consumer Suggestion: I don't think that's it

*Consumer Suggestion: I don't think that's it

*Consumer Suggestion: Patti

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: It is relevant

*Consumer Comment: Your right JH.......

*Consumer Suggestion: Europe

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Jh

*Consumer Comment: Jh they can see your Id number and any screennames that you use

*Consumer Comment: LOL Patti.......

*Consumer Suggestion: Wow

*Consumer Comment: No Jh, it is not backed by anyone

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Jh

*Consumer Suggestion: Question for Janice

*UPDATE Employee: Kasamba LivePerson -- Patti where so you get your information?

*Consumer Suggestion: Did I read wrong? (I know I did)

*Consumer Suggestion: Actually :)

*Consumer Suggestion: Actually :)

*Consumer Suggestion: Actually :)

*Consumer Suggestion: Actually :)

*Consumer Comment: There is a difference between being a fraud and being wrong

*Consumer Comment: Jh

*Consumer Comment: Jh

*Consumer Comment: Jh

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Wonderful Jh!

*Consumer Suggestion: Just to clarify

*Consumer Suggestion: Just to clarify

*Consumer Suggestion: Am wondering again

*Consumer Comment: To S and Jh

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Yes, S

*Consumer Suggestion: List?

*Consumer Suggestion: Not really my case, Patti

*Consumer Comment: You are wrong Patti....

*Consumer Comment: One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: I can tell you where the disconnect is.

*Consumer Suggestion: I wish the same about the ratings

*Consumer Suggestion: Suggestion to improve how readers are rated and other aspects

*Consumer Comment: Aware is right

*Consumer Comment: Re: when they hang up...

*Consumer Suggestion: When they hang up

*UPDATE Employee: No apology necessary

*Consumer Comment: I have used some of them...

*Consumer Comment: Re: The high priestess

*UPDATE Employee: Just a quick note

*Consumer Comment: Who will get helped? People that seek help from:

*Consumer Suggestion: A followup to my post yesterday and a slap in the face I needed

*Consumer Comment: Didn't have a good experience with one of your top ones

*Consumer Comment: I agree with Augusta

*Consumer Comment: Thanx you - will help others

*Author of original report: Re:Katie

*UPDATE Employee: Good for you Alice

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Since others have compile a list of psychics who gave false hopes to those who was lost, i too went to check my history and compile my own list to warn others. I tried to list the experience i have with them but it got to the point where i just got too tired. The bottom line is NONE of these psychics had predicted true for me nor were they accurate of any sort. I started visiting in January when my ex dumped me during the holidays.

Over the past year i've visted these psychics in order with some i've return to for clarification since at that time they sound truthful. Some psychics listed may have been true for others but in my case, my experience at Kasamba was nothing but a lie, disappointment and drives various people into more debt, more addiction and more sadness when things don't unfold like the psychics says. Of course i've also visted Keen but that list, will also be coming on the way so for those of you who wants to visit psychics, do as your own risk. Compare your notes.

I've also included their ratings, and how many comments they got to get that rating to let you all compare.

Professor Greenleaf $2.50 (4.48 stars 3466reviews)
-generic reading, need a moment to connect, didnt tell me anything during connection time and then ask me to hire. He gave he simple answers like he will be around you, he cares for you but just needs time. Needless to say nothing came true.

Spiritual Goddess $2.88 (4.63 stars 1506 reviews)
-went to this one several times as her timeframes were the closest so it got my hopes up. When I went back to her a couple days later to ask why there was no contact she kept pushing the dates back. She basically just kept me on the strings so I can cling on to whatever hope she was creating for me. This one will keep you going back to her.

Bries Psychic Eye 0.75 (3.7 stars 23 reviews)
-said all the pretty things like, he will call you, he will come back to you etc. She was one big joke. If you want someone to tell you what you like to hear go to her.

Badzodiac psy astrologer $1.17 (4.53 stars 5432 reviews)
-this guy was a joke! Kept saying about our departure was due to planets colliding with each other and such and after Valentines day he will make a come back.

Master psychic Havana 0.75 (4.45 stars 1516 reviews)
-talk crap like karma brought us together, negative energy pulling up apart and there was an evil woman spreading rumours. You cant be faker than that.

Mystical reader 0.95 (4.28 stars 129 reviews)
-said there were big distractions, thing will pick up in March. She gave a timeframe and it never came to pass.

Golden eye $6.05 (4.48 stars 6945 reviews)
-You would think with her experience on Kasamba this one might be a good one. NOTHING came true. I went back, gave another timeframe you see where this Is going?

Spiritual Bianca $8.99 (4.44 stars 1978 reviews)
Kachina $3.99 (4.93 stars 284 reviews)
-nice lady, nothing came to pass

Lady Kathryn $4.50(4.99 stars 1246 reviews)
-nice lady, recommended by Kachina and again, nothing came to pass

Raven franks $9.99 (4.95 stars 3800 reviews)
-This one again gives you false hopes and keeps pushing the timeframe back.

Safa fina $7.99 (4.76 stars 2388 reviews)
-ok she is HORRIBLE! Gave me a timeframe and it didnt come true at all. She BULLIES you to get a rating. Extremely rude.

The high priestess $9.95 (4.95 stars 1388 reviews)
-She is very nice. At some point she really might be genuinely caring but NOTHING she said came to pass AT ALL. This one I went to her several times but she does seems to care but then again, as the list goes one I dont know what to believe anymore.

Ms. Crystal ball $6.99 (4.84 stars 1533 reviews)
-I emailed her that the timeframe wasnt true and she responded with due to call volume I dont response to emails.

Angelique888 $5.99 (4.78 stars 1268 reviews)
The wizard star $6.99 (4.99 stars 3834 reviews)
-OK she is a true scam. I think she has a list or something and when she doesnt have info. On you she denies your reading saying you have bad aura I cannot read you till you are cleanse. OK so I went back to her a couple days later as she told me not to have other readings with others and lo and behold to find her she had blocked me. I didnt spend any money on this one but at least I know their tactics.

Accurate psychic guidance $9.99 (4.78 stars 918 reviews)
One good soul (4.90 stars 1660 reviews)
Msfaith uk (4.62 stars 1479 reviews)
The angel whisperer $9.99 (4.98 stars 778 reviews)
Psychic destiny $1.98 (4.79 stars 1360 reviews)
In2itiveSpirit (4.94 stars 543 reviews)
Ann Marie 2.58 (4.45 stars 444 reviews)
Love_tarot_888 2.87 (4.81 stars 16 reviews)
Soulmates reunited (aka. One True Soul) $14.70 (4.73 stars 361 reviews)
Psychic Sabrina 1.98 (4.75 stars 241 reviews)
Cristal visions $1.32 (4.75 stars 578 reviews)
Scarlet star 0.99 (4.59 stars 335 reviews)
Vibrant starlight $3.99 (4.87 stars 627 reviews)
Lady_loreena 0.98 (4.78 stars 55 reviews)

Psychic andi no longer on site
-she told me I will find a another guy and kept telling me all the great things about this NEW guy that I will meet in April and I will have choices.

The Silent Strider 0.85 (4.43 stars 432 reviews)
-in his tarot reading he said Im somewhat of a b***h to my ex. When he describes the ex and I it was TOTALLY OFF!!!! COMPLETE WASTE OF MONEY.

NYC psychic michelle $1.99 (4.63 stars 233 reviews)
Shelli-ann $1.75 (4.87 stars 644 reviews)
-this one was recommended by ms.laura and again, nothing came to pass at all.

Ms.laura $3.89 (4.78 stars 1760 reviews)
-she is very nice. Actually she was recommended BUT NOTHING came to pass at all. Just another false hope.

David-James $7.60 (4.86 stars 12627 reviews)
-He is VERY impressive for having so much reviews and you thought he would be accurate. At least he didn't tell me the ex is coming back. But what he predicted never came to pass ....and it's been half a year.

The Mystic Solution $8.00 (4.87 stars 622 reviews)
-SHE WAS EXPENSIVE!!! of course NOTHING came to pass....spent $80 on this one only to get false hopes. Stay away from this one if you want to keep your money.
Lady Danu $7.50 (4.83 stars 237 reviews)

Gypsy Raven $2.99 (4.73 stars 2432 reviews)
-She was right about the ex not coming back and i will not have to deal with him again. She said i will need a guy in 7 months which i did....so far what she had said has come to pass but the main part i will have to wait in a couple years. She was the only few ones that told me not to cling on to the past and told me the brutal truth.

Mystic junita $1.99 (4.61 stars 182 reviews)
-this one is a joke. I asked a question about the ex and she didn't response. She hung up on me!!! The reading hasn't even begin yet so i emailed her that i can certainly take rejections. If you don't want to read just say so no need to be so unprofessional.
Readings With Juli $2.99 (4.75 stars 608 reviews)

That was the end of my psychic saga at Kasamba.....I will have another list for Keen. The reason i compile the list was to wake myself up as well to stop spending money on these fakers. You can actually save alot of money for a VERY good trip. If only i knew at that time....i would rather go on a vacation to mend a broken heart then to blow money like that.

Good Luck,

Alice
Waterloo, Ontario
Canada

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#1 Consumer Comment

RE: Differences of opinion....

AUTHOR: Not Better Off - (U.S.A.)

Zalo, you made some good points; however sharing client information is most certainly fraudulent.
It is well-known that "psychics" have used shared information to impress clients with a demonstration of their "amazing abilities."
If a client's information is shared between two "psychics" and then used in a reading with the client, that constitutes fraud.

Example:
A client goes to visit Psychic A. Through the course of the reading Psychic A naturally learns some personal information about the client. The reading is not awful but not mind-blowing either, so the client tries other readers hoping for someone who can really nail some specific details (NOTE: I am not condoning this sort of "psychic hopping", but I understand why it happens).
The client happens upon Psychic B. Psychic B happens to be friends/affiliated/in a 'group' with Psychic A. The client shows up. Psychic B says they need a few moments to "tune in" and uses this time to contact Psychic A who shares some specific details with Psychic B. The information is then related to the client as though it has come from some higher source. The client's mind if blown, and a sense of trust and belief has been established.
The client is more than likely going to return to Psychic B for additional readings - whether Psychic B actually has any ability or not.


Most definitely fraudulent.
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#2 Consumer Comment

Differences of opinion on what constitutes a psychic/spiritual adviser

AUTHOR: Zalo - (U.S.A.)

I have read the posts where there are so many different opinions that constitute a psychic or spiritual adviser. To get real picky here, if you are stating a spiritual adviser is just that, a spiritual adviser, then, asking questions about a romantic love life is not a spiritual question. If the client were to ask, will returning to my ex benefit us both in that we become better people, then, that would be a spiritual question. However, what I have sensed with these romantic questions are the fears of being alone, no sex life, instability, financial distress, inability to be self-reliant, and much more. 99% of the world's population wants companionship, its only human to desire this. However, a psychic is not responsible for guaranteeing companionship for anyone. It is up to the individual person to expose his/herself to populated environments where such a connection may occur.

Some people go to psychics because they are afraid to keep pestering their family and friends; they do not choose a psychologist for fear they would be diagnosed with some mental health condition; they feel if they are anonymous, then, the embarrassment is not so harsh, they can hide behind the chat room, telephone line, and stamp. They want to be accepted for their fears, obsessions; many expect to get the exact moment of meeting the love of their lives, have a life without any pain and suffering - the rainbow that never ends.

Yes, there are frauds in the psychic business just as there are frauds in other businesses. However, hanging up on a client is not fraudulent, it is rude and disrespectful; sharing client information is not fraudulent, it is unethical and if one day that the government (U.S.) deems sharing private health online in a psychic forum requires safeguarding that information, then, you will have something to complain about [read on HIPAA and medical information]; blacklisting clients is not fraudulent, depending on the circumstance, in this case an unwarranted blacklisting could be considered as harassment or prejudice, but even those two terms would have to have significant proof.

Is it fraudulent if a psychic's prediction does not come about? Consider the meteorologist who forecasts the weather. Does he/she become a fraud when the forecast called for a sunny day and it ended up raining cats and dogs? Of course not. The meteorologist to the best of his/her ability reads computer-generated weather maps based on particular circumstances with cloud formation, wind velocity, and other criteria to determine the outcome. However, there are those incidents where the sudden change of climate variables re-arranges the final disposition.

Medicine is not an exact science as it is always improving techniques in healthcare. No one really knows all of the types of esoteric translations and what is expected to convey messages. The terminology is man-made just like medicine. Back in the 1970s there were probably three main tarot cards (please, I am not here to say this is absolute truth, I am going by what was available to me at that time). Today, there are hundreds of tarot cards with thousands of interpretations. What may seem harmless to one person may be a grave insult to another person.

It is very clear many do not understand the complexities involved in being a psychic/clairvoyant/medium/intuitive...; the burden can be overwhelming; the constant rejuvenation of energy is exhausting at times; the knowledge of someone's health condition that indicates end of life can be sheer anxiety; the sickening- lust energies from pedophiles and perverts suffocates and nauseates to sometimes puking; and I could go on and on.

I was shown this argument an hour ago. Some people charge for spells. The arguments pertain to controlling or manipulating another person's life for the benefit of the requester or possibly the benefit of the recipient - depends on the motive and reasoning. How odd that some religions charge for prayers for the dead, sick, the dying; charges for special Masses and rosaries; prayers for people to stop smoking, get married and on and on and on and on.......... a spell is an incantation; an incantation is a prayer - there is no difference people. Do any of you go to church and pray with the most earnest plea and having the strongest faith want to believe a change can be made? Do you feel God or some other Deity turned you down because you did not get the answer within a week and the deadline past?

I identify a scam as someone trying to sell me a beeswax candle for $200 to be used by the meditator at his/her home for a prayer on my behalf. You do not see the candle there; you have no clue if a candle was purchased; and you do not know if the person actually prayed - the latter cannot be proven in a court of law anyway.

I honestly feel the majority of complaints I have read on this Web site are from people who will not admit they are insecure, irresponsible with their time and money, and place their ignorance on others.

I have read the posts where the speculation of someone buffing up their ratings have the same person with multiple readings, yet, none of these posters will admit that they are those people, too. Playing games, walking around words, setting up psychics, and thinking the less information given will prove a pure reading just simply amplifies the nonsensical behavior of intellectually weak people who are no different than those who pose as psychics.

Furthermore, be very careful with whom you submit your sessions with psychics without a disclosure of privacy protection; be wise to those who's behavior and tone of voice are absolutely non-professional online. Chances are you may just be throwing yourselves into a den of wolves. If anyone has been scammed, legally scammed, your options in the U.S. are to report to your state's attorney general's office consumer protection division, the Federal Trade Commission, the Better Business Bureau, and an attorney. Let them guide you to proper documentation and reporting fraudulent activities.

I do not like to see anyone be scammed; I do not like people to be mislead; but, the common sense here is to know when to stop. Alice, you saw 39 psychics and asked the same question about your ex. You know, people can believe there is more to a relationship than there really is. This collective thought process can be so strong that a well-versed psychic could pick up as an indication there is a relationship going on, and may feel the other person will call or make an attempt to come back. You see, if a person deceived him/herself to thinking there is a relationship and had such a desire for that particular relationship to continue, that person caused his/her own false hope and false prediction, not the psychic. I based this on one of the above posters' remarks, "...It is the ENERGY of the person they should be picking up..."
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Rolling eyes at Alice from Waterloo

AUTHOR: Jessie - (U.S.A.)

I just love it when people like Alice blame everyone else except themselves for spending their money. If only she would have been a strong enough woman, instead of a weak and insecure one, to have known that she needs to listen to what her romantic interest was telling her, that he wasn't interested. Even when she was told it was going nowhere, she continued to call until she got what she wanted to hear. But she's going to blame everyone else, except herself, for spending her money on what she wanted to hear. Grow up, stop blaming people for your own stupidity, and when the guy says he doesn't want a relationship, and you still want to spend money on what you want to hear, that is YOUR FAULT!! I'll bet you were one of the ones who either left bad ratings or no ratings at all when you got the "he's not going to give you what you want" reading. And I bet you're still getting readings from there too.
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#4 Consumer Comment

Scratch that

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

Scratch what I said about Shining Love - there's info on her in another thread and it seems to be clear she's giving scripted readings. I'm heartbroken over that as I never suspected she was a fraud.

I started the rest of my reviews but won't finish for a while. But the disappointments are waaay more than the successes. Even among the people I listed as favorites.
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#5 Consumer Comment

It did "help" in a way

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

You are right, I did save money technically! But also, I realized that I'll be saving my "I'd like to try them one day..." readers for ONE DAY - not for this current issue. After being hung up on I was so shocked, and I realized that of the handful of readers I think are amazing, the two that I feel are my "regular official ones" (for very good reasons) are all I need.

One day I will try again with one of the few readers who looks good and ethical that I haven't read with yet. But for now I guess this was a blessing in disguise. Though I still feel very badly about it. I can see it from both ends, reader and client. But it still sucks, you know? For those who have ever been hung up on, I'm sure you know the WTF?? feeling!
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#6 Consumer Comment

JH - you saved yourself money, dont feel bad

AUTHOR: Augusta - (U.S.A.)

It is quite disturbing but there are in fact readers who compare or google client names to check how they rated other readers. This is in fact unfair - because how can we clients expect honest feedback if client are afraid to leave their true assessment? LP should be a stop to this by not publishing the client's handle with the feedback - just a random number. It will stop the googling and perhaps the blacklisting to an extent however readers will share clients' names anyway. As for LisaM - she has good empathetic skills however, unfortunately, her predictions NEVER panned out and then after 8 months or so she changed them (when things became quite clear she was wrong). I stopped using her however any new client trying her will be impressed by her empathetic skills hence the good feedback. Be wary also as she is linked in with Amphora Blue who has now changed her name to Bella Brown and also to Psychic Rhiannon. Now I am not saying they share - I do not know - but it truly is best to use independent readers who do not link up especially at the cost one is being charged. And if a reader will not read for you because you rated someone else low - it means they are NOT there to truly help - and you have saved yourself some confusion. A confident reader would not concern herself with such nonsense and wish only to give a good read and be paid fairly regardless of feedback. Otherwise they are just businessmen/women.
I give you credit for rating honestly, can't say that for many of us! LOL
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#7 Consumer Comment

There is ONE legitimate post in this loooooong string........

AUTHOR: Adolph - (U.S.A.)

.....Chris' post of 4-2-08. There are obviously several people (Many?) who genuinely feel squandering money on these "psychic" charlatans will somehow be of benefit. Takng to a bartender or your hairdresser would be of greater potential benefit.......barely.
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Please, folks. Wake up and (to use an old cliche) smell the coffee. Go back and read Chris' entry.
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#8 Consumer Comment

There is ONE legitimate post in this loooooong string........

AUTHOR: Adolph - (U.S.A.)

.....Chris' post of 4-2-08. There are obviously several people (Many?) who genuinely feel squandering money on these "psychic" charlatans will somehow be of benefit. Takng to a bartender or your hairdresser would be of greater potential benefit.......barely.
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Please, folks. Wake up and (to use an old cliche) smell the coffee. Go back and read Chris' entry.
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There is ONE legitimate post in this loooooong string........

AUTHOR: Adolph - (U.S.A.)

.....Chris' post of 4-2-08. There are obviously several people (Many?) who genuinely feel squandering money on these "psychic" charlatans will somehow be of benefit. Takng to a bartender or your hairdresser would be of greater potential benefit.......barely.
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Please, folks. Wake up and (to use an old cliche) smell the coffee. Go back and read Chris' entry.
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#10 Consumer Comment

Another who hangs up - upsetting to me

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I don't know if anyone remembers my review saying Pyshic Marshall's hung up on me months ago after I'd left one 2 star for another reader? I was shocked by that, but people here said there are blacklists out there. Well, as of last night I was hung up on by another reader, only I'm feeling very shocked and very bad about it, as I really didn't expect it due to the person's profile.

I'm mainly talking to 2 readers nowadays (Shining Love and Lidia), as I find they're the most accurate and gel with me best. But there are a few other readers who look very genuine and have good reps that I figure I'd speak to one day (during another drama maybe!), or if I wanted another opinion. Well, yesterday was a tough day due to it being an "anniversary day" of something. I was then upset by something in the evening that made me wonder about things. I figured since I'd wanted an update on some things anyhow, I should go to LP.

My usual readers weren't there for an update, so I thought you know, maybe I'll see if any of those others who look good are around. I also felt it'd be good to have some "outside" input at this time. In the middle of my looking at some profiles, I suddenly see that "Ms. Lisa M" is online. She was one of the readers I was very interested in and nearly contacted a few months back a few times. Her clients rave about her as if she's the second coming. From the feedback I could tell that this was a genuine reader and a genuine person. And you know - I'm SURE she is. However...

I started the session and she was very very nice. We said a few words, and suddenly I was hung up on. I felt that same shock I did when Marshall hung up, and I knew in my gut this wasn't a technical glitch. I emailed Lisa, but no reply. And no reply as of today, either. She was still online last night after we disconnected, and is online right now as I type this.

I don't know if there's a list of people who have left low ratings (I've left 2 or 3 well deserved yet fair 2 stars -- VERY VERY rare for me!), or if my being vocal on the ROR is what blackmarked me. It makes me feel terrible, though, and I can't explain why other than I can tell Lisa is a real, genuine reader with clients who love her. Yet she's either going by some blacklist that's passed around, or she's seen things on her own and has her own blacklist due to fear of losing her good ratings. Perhaps past issues with clients or others posing as clients caused this. Or maybe she just wants to weed out any potential low raters right away. But I feel sad, because to me this almost negates all those glowing reviews. I know it's tough being a reader, and I know people must be burned by clients often. But I still find it sad and upsetting to be hung up on like that and to know that there's some sort of list being used even by some of the most loved readers. It may be my mood, but I feel a bit like I did in the "heartbreak" way that I did after Terry M. left me hanging.
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#11 Consumer Comment

Another who hangs up - upsetting to me

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I don't know if anyone remembers my review saying Pyshic Marshall's hung up on me months ago after I'd left one 2 star for another reader? I was shocked by that, but people here said there are blacklists out there. Well, as of last night I was hung up on by another reader, only I'm feeling very shocked and very bad about it, as I really didn't expect it due to the person's profile.

I'm mainly talking to 2 readers nowadays (Shining Love and Lidia), as I find they're the most accurate and gel with me best. But there are a few other readers who look very genuine and have good reps that I figure I'd speak to one day (during another drama maybe!), or if I wanted another opinion. Well, yesterday was a tough day due to it being an "anniversary day" of something. I was then upset by something in the evening that made me wonder about things. I figured since I'd wanted an update on some things anyhow, I should go to LP.

My usual readers weren't there for an update, so I thought you know, maybe I'll see if any of those others who look good are around. I also felt it'd be good to have some "outside" input at this time. In the middle of my looking at some profiles, I suddenly see that "Ms. Lisa M" is online. She was one of the readers I was very interested in and nearly contacted a few months back a few times. Her clients rave about her as if she's the second coming. From the feedback I could tell that this was a genuine reader and a genuine person. And you know - I'm SURE she is. However...

I started the session and she was very very nice. We said a few words, and suddenly I was hung up on. I felt that same shock I did when Marshall hung up, and I knew in my gut this wasn't a technical glitch. I emailed Lisa, but no reply. And no reply as of today, either. She was still online last night after we disconnected, and is online right now as I type this.

I don't know if there's a list of people who have left low ratings (I've left 2 or 3 well deserved yet fair 2 stars -- VERY VERY rare for me!), or if my being vocal on the ROR is what blackmarked me. It makes me feel terrible, though, and I can't explain why other than I can tell Lisa is a real, genuine reader with clients who love her. Yet she's either going by some blacklist that's passed around, or she's seen things on her own and has her own blacklist due to fear of losing her good ratings. Perhaps past issues with clients or others posing as clients caused this. Or maybe she just wants to weed out any potential low raters right away. But I feel sad, because to me this almost negates all those glowing reviews. I know it's tough being a reader, and I know people must be burned by clients often. But I still find it sad and upsetting to be hung up on like that and to know that there's some sort of list being used even by some of the most loved readers. It may be my mood, but I feel a bit like I did in the "heartbreak" way that I did after Terry M. left me hanging.
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Another who hangs up - upsetting to me

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I don't know if anyone remembers my review saying Pyshic Marshall's hung up on me months ago after I'd left one 2 star for another reader? I was shocked by that, but people here said there are blacklists out there. Well, as of last night I was hung up on by another reader, only I'm feeling very shocked and very bad about it, as I really didn't expect it due to the person's profile.

I'm mainly talking to 2 readers nowadays (Shining Love and Lidia), as I find they're the most accurate and gel with me best. But there are a few other readers who look very genuine and have good reps that I figure I'd speak to one day (during another drama maybe!), or if I wanted another opinion. Well, yesterday was a tough day due to it being an "anniversary day" of something. I was then upset by something in the evening that made me wonder about things. I figured since I'd wanted an update on some things anyhow, I should go to LP.

My usual readers weren't there for an update, so I thought you know, maybe I'll see if any of those others who look good are around. I also felt it'd be good to have some "outside" input at this time. In the middle of my looking at some profiles, I suddenly see that "Ms. Lisa M" is online. She was one of the readers I was very interested in and nearly contacted a few months back a few times. Her clients rave about her as if she's the second coming. From the feedback I could tell that this was a genuine reader and a genuine person. And you know - I'm SURE she is. However...

I started the session and she was very very nice. We said a few words, and suddenly I was hung up on. I felt that same shock I did when Marshall hung up, and I knew in my gut this wasn't a technical glitch. I emailed Lisa, but no reply. And no reply as of today, either. She was still online last night after we disconnected, and is online right now as I type this.

I don't know if there's a list of people who have left low ratings (I've left 2 or 3 well deserved yet fair 2 stars -- VERY VERY rare for me!), or if my being vocal on the ROR is what blackmarked me. It makes me feel terrible, though, and I can't explain why other than I can tell Lisa is a real, genuine reader with clients who love her. Yet she's either going by some blacklist that's passed around, or she's seen things on her own and has her own blacklist due to fear of losing her good ratings. Perhaps past issues with clients or others posing as clients caused this. Or maybe she just wants to weed out any potential low raters right away. But I feel sad, because to me this almost negates all those glowing reviews. I know it's tough being a reader, and I know people must be burned by clients often. But I still find it sad and upsetting to be hung up on like that and to know that there's some sort of list being used even by some of the most loved readers. It may be my mood, but I feel a bit like I did in the "heartbreak" way that I did after Terry M. left me hanging.
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#13 Consumer Comment

My "final" take one one of my questionable ones

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

The main stuff is still ongoing with me, but -

I've gone over the Terry Mastriantonio transcripts again while deleting old transcripts from LP. I'm at a point where I can definitely follow up what I wrote about being confused by his readings in June, and I can say as a "final" PERSONAL verdict that he was totally off and wrong. TOTALLY. In fact, in light of the last months, some of what he wrote is almost funny with how off it was. I keep getting the feeling with him that he cold read me, as I did give a bit too much info in our first read (I was a newbie at that point and didn't really know how much to say or not).

According to his feedback he's the absolute best for a lot of people. But for me, no, it just wasn't a fit. I don't know what else to say except that my former "heartbreaking" comments about my reads with him stand.
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#14 Consumer Comment

Maybe we should remember why we're here

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I know this sounds very silly as I've only been commenting here for a few months, but...

We're here to help each other not get ripped off and to share info on our experiences. People get heated sometimes, and have issues with each other here, but maybe when people start pointing fingers it's time for everyone to just step back and get back to the original purpose of posting on the ROR?

I know it sounds simplistic, but I'm here to learn and to help others with my experiences, and it's hurt me to have been accused of being a fake or posting under multiple accounts. And I know that the same things have hurt others no matter what "side" they're on.

Even with being careful I've been taken for a ride on LP at times. So I want to do my best to help others not have the same happen to them. Maybe we should keep that focus in mind?
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#15 Consumer Comment

Fira it's clear you're the one who's paranoid

AUTHOR: Holly - (U.S.A.)

Not defending Patti but why do you resort to anger and name calling just because someone pierced a hole in your fantasy! Self-manic!? what the heck is that. You know as much about psychiatry as you know about psychics, which is obviously very little.


You don't seem ignorant, but your view of what psychics are capable of is one of the most naive and misguided I've ever seen. Do you really think every single thing that's to come in your life has already been dictated by an outside force? and that all 'real' psychics have to do is just reach in and extract those details for you and then lay them out in chronological order? No wonder you've been taken for so many rides!


You have rewritten history because you can't admit to chasing after the obvious charlatans on the site -- eg, the ones willing to make outlandish promises and feed your fantasies. Your posts are filled with irrational rantings and ridiculous expectations and it's no wonder none of your predictions ever come true!
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#16 Consumer Comment

Fira - excellent posts

AUTHOR: Augusta - (U.S.A.)

Fira - I agree with you on the points you made pertaining readers, readings and so forth. And as you noted the clients are not a bunch of desperate men and women and there are several areas of life that a client would like some input on from a higher (unseen) perspective. The problem is we put trust into those who do not have the skill to get that information, even when they give so-called negative information it is wrong! Very few on LP are independent and have skill at giving you something worthwhile that you can work with and either move along the same path or do some energy/positive work to increase opportunities on your own. And hiding behind free will when they state things definitely in a read is just plain wrong because they should say that in the read to begin with - I don't know how many times I was told of wonderful opportunities to move, or my job or whatever (travel) and none of it arose. And let's forget about the romance area - that was such a bunch of BS. And this from long established readers on LP (except for 2 or 3 who aren't on much - they did get some things right).
Thanks for your posts, they were quite helpful.
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#17 Consumer Comment

Paranoid much, Patti?

AUTHOR: Fira - (U.S.A.)

London is in UK(England) and that's in Europe. You need some lessons on world geography and you need them asap! There are many ignorant people in America today, like yourself, who believe that Italy is somewhere in Arizona state and trying to convince them otherwise is useless. They live somewhere in the middle of nowhere, never traveled outside their home state let alone, outside the country. I pitty you. You're showing all signs of retardation.

You seem to think that people who speak out are all "bellow you in rating" LOL! and are plotting something against you. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Yes, dear, that's what it's all about, isn't it? It's all about competition. Everyone is just jealous of how wonderful and gifted you are. You keep telling yourself that! You completely close your eyes on the fact that many of these people tell different stories. To you, they're all the same person, one, SINGLE person in this world who's completely jealous of you! If only there was anything to be jealous of! You think your rating matters to women who've been lied to, and found themselved broke and brokenhearted? Do you ever think of anyone other then yourself? Or does the whole world revlove around you?

I know a true gift when I see one, even when I'm skeptical at first. If the reader is honest, and has a real gift, the majority of things they say will in fact materialize. I've had a large number of fake readings and a couple of real ones in my life and I know the difference. It doesn't matter if you're asking about yourself only, about someone you feel you have a thing for, a relative, or your best friend. They tell the truth nomatter what. Psychics with a real gift don't need to come to this website to defend their reputation, because their reputation is clean. Yours apparently isn't. That's why you're here. What's wrong? Your guilty concience gets to you, and you can't sleep at night?

You accuse others of being fake but something tells me, you're one of the few that truly are. You say you "used to" work for Kasamba as in, in the past, so what do you care now that someone who's "bellow in the rating" on that stupid website attacks you? You want to know what I think? You're still working for Kasamba or whatever it is called now. You pose as an Ex-employee when you're still working there and yet accuse everyone else of being fake and trying to bring you down. AWWWWW! Bad rating's hurting your fake business? Well, that's just sad, hon! Wherever does this injustice end? Oh, I know, when fakes quit claiming to be psychics. That's pretty much every single psychic out there...other then the ones who really have a gift. Which means no one who works or ever worked for Kasamba or Keen.

I believe, you're Schitzophrenic, because you display signs of being paranoid, as well as a self-mania both at the same time. Those are two of the major symptoms of Schitzophrenia. You also claim to be a psychic which implies that you believe you "hear voices"...again no offence to the real psychics out there in the world...they have a gift, but we've already established, you're not real and have no gift. So, "the voices" your hear are nothing more then delusions. Do you get where I'm going with this one? You're every mental clinic's dream patient!
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#18 Consumer Comment

Dear, JH

AUTHOR: Fira - (U.S.A.)

As someone who's had readings on Kasamba and Keen before, I can say one thing to you, if you had a reading with ONE reader on Kasamba, you've had a reading with them ALL. They share information about their clients like there's no tomorrow. Once you give them lots of details in one reading, they store that info somewhere and at a later day, you don't NEED to give them any information at all, they already KNOW everything about you. Now, if you were to ask on the behalf of someone who's never had a reading on Kasamba before like your girlfriend, and gave them NO DETAILS at all other then her name and DOB, the information they'd give you would be very genenric and mostly based on the horoscope sign. Like if she's a Tauraus, they'll say, "she's very stubborn" (cough! cough! big shocker there!) If you tell them, you're not here to listen about the aspects of her astrology sign, they'll tell you they can't connect, hang up on you and block you for the future. If you open up about her, they'll store the information for the next time you call in asking about her. If you want to get a reading without giving many details, search for some other website where you're not yet a "regular" client.
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Dear, JH

AUTHOR: Fira - (U.S.A.)

As someone who's had readings on Kasamba and Keen before, I can say one thing to you, if you had a reading with ONE reader on Kasamba, you've had a reading with them ALL. They share information about their clients like there's no tomorrow. Once you give them lots of details in one reading, they store that info somewhere and at a later day, you don't NEED to give them any information at all, they already KNOW everything about you. Now, if you were to ask on the behalf of someone who's never had a reading on Kasamba before like your girlfriend, and gave them NO DETAILS at all other then her name and DOB, the information they'd give you would be very genenric and mostly based on the horoscope sign. Like if she's a Tauraus, they'll say, "she's very stubborn" (cough! cough! big shocker there!) If you tell them, you're not here to listen about the aspects of her astrology sign, they'll tell you they can't connect, hang up on you and block you for the future. If you open up about her, they'll store the information for the next time you call in asking about her. If you want to get a reading without giving many details, search for some other website where you're not yet a "regular" client.
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Dear, JH

AUTHOR: Fira - (U.S.A.)

As someone who's had readings on Kasamba and Keen before, I can say one thing to you, if you had a reading with ONE reader on Kasamba, you've had a reading with them ALL. They share information about their clients like there's no tomorrow. Once you give them lots of details in one reading, they store that info somewhere and at a later day, you don't NEED to give them any information at all, they already KNOW everything about you. Now, if you were to ask on the behalf of someone who's never had a reading on Kasamba before like your girlfriend, and gave them NO DETAILS at all other then her name and DOB, the information they'd give you would be very genenric and mostly based on the horoscope sign. Like if she's a Tauraus, they'll say, "she's very stubborn" (cough! cough! big shocker there!) If you tell them, you're not here to listen about the aspects of her astrology sign, they'll tell you they can't connect, hang up on you and block you for the future. If you open up about her, they'll store the information for the next time you call in asking about her. If you want to get a reading without giving many details, search for some other website where you're not yet a "regular" client.
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Dear, JH

AUTHOR: Fira - (U.S.A.)

As someone who's had readings on Kasamba and Keen before, I can say one thing to you, if you had a reading with ONE reader on Kasamba, you've had a reading with them ALL. They share information about their clients like there's no tomorrow. Once you give them lots of details in one reading, they store that info somewhere and at a later day, you don't NEED to give them any information at all, they already KNOW everything about you. Now, if you were to ask on the behalf of someone who's never had a reading on Kasamba before like your girlfriend, and gave them NO DETAILS at all other then her name and DOB, the information they'd give you would be very genenric and mostly based on the horoscope sign. Like if she's a Tauraus, they'll say, "she's very stubborn" (cough! cough! big shocker there!) If you tell them, you're not here to listen about the aspects of her astrology sign, they'll tell you they can't connect, hang up on you and block you for the future. If you open up about her, they'll store the information for the next time you call in asking about her. If you want to get a reading without giving many details, search for some other website where you're not yet a "regular" client.
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#22 Consumer Comment

Patti, is it?

AUTHOR: Fira - (U.S.A.)

And all you other "psychic" believers. actually that means me as well but that's because I've talked to someone who is in fact genuine. This lady lives in a far away land and anything she says, comes to pass. She is a true Clairvoyant! She gives first and last names, without you saying a word. She doesn't charge a penny for her reading and all her clients confirm that she speaks the truth because everything she predicts comes true 99% of the time.

Unfortunately, I can't say the same about any other psychics I've talked to in the last few years, especially the ones on Keen, Kasamba and every other website out there. I can't list them all because there's way too many.

So, let me explain to you Patti, why I called out your name here. You seem to know "everything" especially the reasons why people call psychics. Or at least you
believe that you know. And you also "know" why they get lied to the most. You think it's just a bunch of desperate women, bitter over the loss of their boyfriend, calling these psychics wanting to know when he'll be back. Naturally these women have no control in a situation like that. The only choice they have is, if they still love the man, to let him go. If he's meant to be back, he will be, but the woman has to keep moving on in life. The only choice she truly will have is when he steps back into her life again, if he does, is to decide if she would like him back or if he missed his boat.

But some of us, have other reasons to call psychics. Maybe we're feeling lonely and unloved and want to know when there'll be more action in our life. And some of us are not desperate at all, we're just stuck in a bad situation with our career, or money or something else. No, we do not feel 100% in control, but that's not because we don't know how to maintain the situation, it's due to some outside factors (a business partner slacking off and you start to wonder if he's a con artist, who took you for a ride and maybe you should get a lawyer) or whatever else it may be, dear. So, if these psychics are in fact, genuine and work for the ones who aren't desperate, then please tell me, why is it, that in 99.9999% of the time, they are wrong on their predictions?

When I ask about a new love coming into my life, they just make stuff up about what he'll look like, how tall he will be and what he'll do for a living and they'll give me a day by which I'll meet this person. And then, the funny thing happens, I never meet not only anyone fitting that description, but anyone at all. Or if I think I've met someone whom I like, they pay no attention to me...like I'm invisible. So, I call again and they say that this one that doesn't pay attention to me, is the one they were talking about and he's got such deep, hidden feelings for me that he'll burst like a bubble one day, and share them with me. I just have to stay patient. (AHEM!!) I am against dysfunctional relationships and will not wait my entire lifetime for them to reveal their hidden feelings, if there ever were any. I forget about them within a week or two, but it doesn't make life easier, because it means that I'm still alone, and unloved.

Is it a bad thing to have hope that someone out there in the world is right for me? That there will be someone who'll understand and love me for who I am and will not expect me to change too much? I must be a "desperate" dreamer then. But I keep pondering the same question over and over...Why do we need financial success if we have nobody to share it with? Why do we constantly push ourselves in work and in life? I think I know the answer to it. Because we all want one thing in life, to have someone by our side, who we love and who loves us back.

If some of us knew from the beginning that we'll never have true love, we would not try so hard to become successful. A human doesn't NEED many things: just food, shelter and a couple articles of clothes. We can have those things working in
McDonald's full-time. We wouldn't need to apply makeup or shave anything. Love's not waiting for us around the corner. Who's there to impress?


Why I believe some women call psychics is because they need hope, that love IS coming. But they don't want to be lied to and given a fake date. A psychic only needs to tell them one of two things, it's coming, or that they don't see anything in the near future, but they still shouldn't lose hope. And if it's a good and ethical psychic, they need to hang up right after giving that information. They should not go on and on and on about a new man, describing every bloody detail. of someone in a playgirl magazine page they see in front of them. Because they know better than to lead the lonely woman on. It's disgusting especially when they know they're just making up a bunch of bull in order to eat up more of client's money.

And for the record, Patti, I don't believe in "negative" or "bad" aura. Especially when it's just a regular person calling up a psychic when they're upset. They DID NOT KILL
anyone, they DID NOT RAPE anyone, they DID NOT ROB anyone. Overall, they're good people, just hurt and confused. And, if you think that's what makes their aura impure in some way, than according to your logic my aura must be all pitch black and toxic by now. What a bunch of crap! I bet you think your aura (energy) is incredible. Don't flatter yourself hon and don't judge others especially when you don't know what you're talking about.

S, thank you for your post! You are absolutely correct. A true psychic, and there are a few in this world, just none on the internet, will not need ANY information at all maybe only a name and a picture and they tell you everything, without asking any questions. Most of the time they won't even ask for you to confirm if what they're saying makes sense to you. Because, they KNOW it does. Doesn't make sense to them, but makes sense to you. They also will NEVER ask you a question, "Is there someone specific you want me to focus on?" They somehow see that there is
someone or there isn't and they are right in what they see. The ones who ask, have another agenda in mind, they want to know if you already have your sites on some person so they can tell you all about how this person "confuses you" buy "pushing you away one moment" and "pulling you close the next".

While a true psychic will see a future for you and your future partner without needing
to know, if he's already in your life or not, a fake one will say that nothing is predestined. And he could be coming towards you as of today, but have his back turned towards you tomorrow, because of your "negative thinking" LOL! You're not thinking about murdering your future partner, you just want to love him. There is no negative love. Love is always positive.

Believe it or not, people almost everything in our life is predestined and a real psychic, will tell you your future as though it's already written. I had a tarot card reading in person twice in 2004 with one woman and let me tell you, every single thing she saw in those cards came true exactly how she said it would. I had my doubts because I thought I knew better but I watched everything unfold just as predicted and I'm still blown away with how accurate she was. She's not a psychic but she's got some sort of a gift. And it's not just me she was right about it was also my mother, my father, and my mother's friend. The reason she could see it all so well and not sway with it may come true or it may not, is because there were not going to be any variations to what she said, because our future is predestined. The ones who believe it could go this way or that way depending on the level of your upset, are just liars. Run, and run fast from such con artists! And run from anyone who asks you a ton of questions.

One psychic read for me and got real upset with me because I gave my phone number to a guy I liked even though he didn't ask for it. Of course I told her I did, and I was wondering if he'd be calling. She said that turned him off. She was assuming things without knowing the whole situation. I offerer the number not as, "here, call me. let's hook up!" I offered it as, "if you ever need a friend to talk to, here's my number." I wanted to know more about him as a person but didn't feel comfortable communicating through e-mail. The ironic thing is I found out later, it wasn't my phone number that turned him off, it was me in general. He was never into me to begin with, he liked another girl. He was just using me, acting like he was interested in me for a moment to make her jealous.

So, I encourage anyone thinking of getting a psychic reading in the future. Do not volunteer any personal information other then your name. When they ask a couple of direct questions like, "Is there a man around you at the moment? Because I see this tall dark and handsome." Hang up. Because, I already know what they'll tell you and I'm not even a psychic. If you answer "yes, that's Paul!" they'll brainwash you into thinking this man constantly thinks about you even when the two of you aren't together and he'll soon tell you how much he truly loves you and then he'll pop the question and the two of you are going to have beautiful babies together. LOL! And if you answer "No. I don't know anyone who fits that description," they'll say "I see this man trying to come into your life. He'll soon be with you," and then they add the part about how it will begin a friendship and slowly you'll fall in love with each other and he'll pop the question in 6 months and you'll make beautiful babies together. Too much fluff and very little truth to it. Watch out for cons ladies. They're everywhere.
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#23 Consumer Comment

Slight Update to Reviews

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

Just wanted to add to what I wrote the other week, as I've been going over some of my older transcripts just to see.

For Elizabeth, I looked at what she did tell me for the future, and it matches things that some of the readers I mentioned as really being wowed by have said (as well as one other one I haven't reviewed yet who seems to be right on so far). When Elizabeth told me this info and the timeframe, I thought it was too far fetched. But now I wonder...! She didn't go into details, but the info seems to be on track with recent events. So that's something I'm "watching" for the near future. Also, reading over her info on reasons why things happened and such again rang true as I said before. I think it may ring true more than ever now that I know a bit more. As I said before, she's genuine!

I've also re-read some of what the High Priestess has told me, and she was dead on prediction wise for some things that happened in recent weeks. I hope the rest comes to pass ;) I'm impressed reading back over it -- but I was impressed with her before this as well. So we will see about the rest. But there was some uncanny accuracy there.

Also, I think I have more understanding of something Sylvia the Clairvoyant said, only the way she worded it I think is what came off confusingly or incorrectly. I think she was actually kind of on the right track, but made things sound like something was going on that wasn't quite. The situation was complicated and she wasn't seeing the full picture. I don't want to go into details, but I think it was a case of wording things badly or maybe not seeing the full details. I really do think I had a bad connection with her! Plus again, I was upset and perhaps MY energy was screwy due to that.

And lastly, I've read over some things Terry Mastriantonio wrote. It's interesting, as parts of it are very wrong. But IF things did work out for me in the end, then parts of what he said could come true -- just not when and in the order he said. It's interesting as really, all he said was like a mish mash and I'm unsure what to make of it YET. I think I'll come back in a few months to give a second opinion of my reads with him. I still don't feel "right" about those reads, but it is possible that he had a screwy connection. It's confusing as parts could come true....just not the way he said. It's confusing and I hope to have more clarity on it eventually.

I want to be very very fair about anything I say about any readers. So I post these "corrections" to be so. And I hope they're taken in that spirit. There were very few experiences where I felt I was being ripped off, wrong predictions or not. So I want to be as fair and balanced as possible in anything I say about my experiences.
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#24 Consumer Comment

S is right JH

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

You do not have to prove yourself to anyone, least of all Patti. You also do not have to reveal your LP username to anyone. It is none of their business. Anyone with half a brain can see you are not lying and are a genuine client. Just dont reveal too much about yourself, it's not neccessary.
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#25 Consumer Comment

JH.....

AUTHOR: S - (United Kingdom)

Patti is not worth the explanations or the responses to. It wouldnt matter what "proof" or "evidence" you gave her for your client status, she will still attack you because she has another agenda.


Most people know who is who on here in terms of client or reader (or ex reader) so don't feel you have to prove yourself...you don't.

Patti is a very malicious and vindictive woman, who used to read on Kasamba, and unfortunately most of the readers on there (not all but most) are like her. Which makes it more scary that these type of people set themselves up as so called spiritual advisers. When you think about it, no wander there are so many stories of false readings, abuse, lies and attacks on clients who dare to question a readiner they have had.

If Patti was a real reader, she would know who was real client and who was not. I can work it out and I am sure others can, and I am not psychic. But actually whats the relevants of that anyway. None thats what. Its purely the same old deflection technique that the typical sterotypical fake reader uses time and time again.

My advice is ignore her.
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#26 Consumer Comment

JH.....

AUTHOR: S - (United Kingdom)

Patti is not worth the explanations or the responses to. It wouldnt matter what "proof" or "evidence" you gave her for your client status, she will still attack you because she has another agenda.


Most people know who is who on here in terms of client or reader (or ex reader) so don't feel you have to prove yourself...you don't.

Patti is a very malicious and vindictive woman, who used to read on Kasamba, and unfortunately most of the readers on there (not all but most) are like her. Which makes it more scary that these type of people set themselves up as so called spiritual advisers. When you think about it, no wander there are so many stories of false readings, abuse, lies and attacks on clients who dare to question a readiner they have had.

If Patti was a real reader, she would know who was real client and who was not. I can work it out and I am sure others can, and I am not psychic. But actually whats the relevants of that anyway. None thats what. Its purely the same old deflection technique that the typical sterotypical fake reader uses time and time again.

My advice is ignore her.
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#27 Consumer Comment

JH.....

AUTHOR: S - (United Kingdom)

Patti is not worth the explanations or the responses to. It wouldnt matter what "proof" or "evidence" you gave her for your client status, she will still attack you because she has another agenda.


Most people know who is who on here in terms of client or reader (or ex reader) so don't feel you have to prove yourself...you don't.

Patti is a very malicious and vindictive woman, who used to read on Kasamba, and unfortunately most of the readers on there (not all but most) are like her. Which makes it more scary that these type of people set themselves up as so called spiritual advisers. When you think about it, no wander there are so many stories of false readings, abuse, lies and attacks on clients who dare to question a readiner they have had.

If Patti was a real reader, she would know who was real client and who was not. I can work it out and I am sure others can, and I am not psychic. But actually whats the relevants of that anyway. None thats what. Its purely the same old deflection technique that the typical sterotypical fake reader uses time and time again.

My advice is ignore her.
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#28 Consumer Comment

JH.....

AUTHOR: S - (United Kingdom)

Patti is not worth the explanations or the responses to. It wouldnt matter what "proof" or "evidence" you gave her for your client status, she will still attack you because she has another agenda.


Most people know who is who on here in terms of client or reader (or ex reader) so don't feel you have to prove yourself...you don't.

Patti is a very malicious and vindictive woman, who used to read on Kasamba, and unfortunately most of the readers on there (not all but most) are like her. Which makes it more scary that these type of people set themselves up as so called spiritual advisers. When you think about it, no wander there are so many stories of false readings, abuse, lies and attacks on clients who dare to question a readiner they have had.

If Patti was a real reader, she would know who was real client and who was not. I can work it out and I am sure others can, and I am not psychic. But actually whats the relevants of that anyway. None thats what. Its purely the same old deflection technique that the typical sterotypical fake reader uses time and time again.

My advice is ignore her.
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#29 Consumer Comment

Getting Silly

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

Patti, I posted my user name in a reply to you a while back -- "guac". It is my ONE AND ONLY user name on LP.

I'm sure even that won't prove anything to you by this point. And to be honest, it upsets me that I had to even post that user name ONCE to you yet now you're asking for it again. In rebutting your accusations I've had to give up some of my anonymity, and you should feel very bad about pushing things with people.

IF the High Priestess still reads this thread, she can vouch that I'm real and a real client, too. I've had two reads with her in the past months and also had some emails with her last week where I told her that part of what she saw for me had come to pass, but the rest is still (hopefully) brewing.
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#30 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Jh

AUTHOR: Patti - (U.S.A.)

I never saw where you posted your name. Which post? give me a link or a date to search. Of course you could make it difficult and refuse to do so, but it would only prove my point that you're not looking to be real. Just another persona.
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#31 Consumer Comment

Patti, you're really going too far

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

For the love of god, Patti. What more info do you want to prove people are being honest? Everything I have said here is the truth, I am ONLY a client, I have ONLY ever given real names to readers and real info to them. I even gave you my username in case you wanted to check up on me. I've even given some details of my story here to allow my reviews and comments to make more sense.

What is your problem with accusing people of things left and right??? How can you be this way to others when you yourself say you're gifted and spiritual??? HOW?

I have been having the WORST YEAR OF MY LIFE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. I do believe in this stuff. I read tarot for myself and occasionally friends. I am NOT a "professional" unless you count the fact that I'm typing this in an office right now. I've seen a lot of readers, sometimes due to not connecting to some, sometimes due to being very upset, sometimes due to pure curiosity and wanting to see who I connected with (when it happens and you meet one you do connect with, it's great).

Some readers that I saw were hurtful or wrong. Maybe it was a bad connection. I don't know. Others were right about background info but not predictions. And a handful of others -- including people I've not mentioned here -- seem to be on the right track, but their styles vary. I would like to have "regular" readers should I need them after this horrible period for myself is up. And depending on how things go, I think I now am close to knowing who they are and who I feel really connects with me in the way you feel that a reader should. However, I can tell you that I surely would NOT give anyone reading for me wrong info to test them -- not at all. Esp now when it's all been on my dime and there have been two very big experiences for me with LP where I felt very ripped off. And at least one experience where I felt so hurt that I was crying about it more than once days after.

I am a client. I have one persona here. I've given you more than enough personal details to know I'm genuine. I don't understand why you insist on being so accusatory repeatedly.
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#32 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Yep

AUTHOR: Patti - (U.S.A.)

I thought so, Lucy. And Jh, couldn't resist either. Both, along with a bunch of other personas, seem to know what psychic is and how they should work but dont' claim to be readers. Need I say it again?

Set the reader up for failure. Make the energy dirty. Lie and hide under multitudes of names and personas. This way you can post even more on ROR to fill your empty lives. Tear others down to feel better about yourselves and feed your fundamental sense of insecurity.

At the very least you should tell them that you dont' believe they need your name. Be honest. Instead you lie to them. No wonder Jh had so many readers unable to read for her. No wonder Lucy has a laundry list longer than her arm of readers she found to be lacking or outright fakes. You lied to them. Who was it that wanted them them to be all-knowing and what was it? "Pure Channels"? How can one be a pure channel when you are feeding them lies? When you hide behind agendas?

You expect readers to know when you're lying to them, but you want them to trust you and read for you. Then you get all upset when no one does and everyone blocks you or can't pick up anything for you. It's laughable.

No wonder you're complaining on ROR. You're just looking to set up readers. Except those "ethical" ones you refuse to name but claim are out there. Oh there's that word again... ethical. If there are any actual clients here, I think they know by now to avoid anyone with the word ethical in their profile.

No wonder you can't get a straight reading. You're not doing research, you're looking to spread your pain and negativity so that others feel as bad as you do. You cant' get a reader to tell you he'll leave his wife to be with you. You can't get a reader to tell you the exact date he'll call you again. You can't get a reader to tell you he thinks of you as much as your OCD driven hormones thinks of him.

Yes, I will agree there are more fakes on LivePerson than there are talented and gifted readers. But you are fooling yourself if you think you can lie to a psychic and get a great reading. No wonder you feel like you've wasted your money.
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#33 Consumer Comment

Patti

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

I think you are probably the only person here that thinks I'm a liar. What would be the point of lying to a reader? If they are as good as they say they are, it wouldnt matter what I called myself, they should still be able to pick up on my energy regarless of my name.
Patti, you can try to put me down as much as you like, it only makes you look bad, not me.
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#34 Consumer Comment

Regarding names Patti

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

I have never given a reader a false name for myself or for any other person I was enquiring about. I have found when asking about a particular person by giving them a name, they said 'such and such' will happen. But when the event actually happened, it was with a totally different person. Hence, names are not relevant other than to give that persons energy a tag.
The most accurate readers I have found are the ones who don't even ask for a name, but rather have described them by personality and character.

And, yes I agree with the above poster, readings are just a guide and should not be used to rule your life.
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#35 Consumer Comment

DOB

AUTHOR: Nunjobiz - (U.S.A.)

Actually I know some psychics who use the date of birth for numerology reasons.

I think a lot of people expect way to much from psychics. They expect them to know all. Only God can do that. Psychics are able to sense things going on or that will be going on around a person. Sometimes they don't always interpret things correctly. My advice is to use them as a guide and not to make your life decisions.
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#36 Consumer Comment

Names

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

Shouldn't a psychic know what's what even if they don't have your name? I thought the name thing was just so they had something to call you and whoever you're asking about so it's not all "you" "them" "her" etc.
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AUTHOR: Patti - (U.S.A.)

I just KNOW you're going to take this in a derogatory manner, but here goes nothing.

You said that a psychic shouldn't even need your name. Could it be that you've gotten a lot of bad readings because you lied about what your name was and it skewed the energy the psychic was reading because it starts with a lie on your part?

I'm with you on the d.o.b. though. There is no reason a reader needs a d.o.b. except to check that "bad client" list that circulates amongst members of certain "ethical" groups that share information. It can lead to cold readings as one can assume certain things happening to a person at a given age.
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#38 Consumer Comment

For Suzanne

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I'm not going to argue, as we both have our opinions. The only thing I will say is that I was very mislead by your profile -- and I'd think that others would be, too. And no, I don't take deep intuition to mean anyone's a full psychic. There's levels of it and differences and having that intuition isn't really enough for what people on LP are looking for....unless they do want an intuitive tarot reading....which I didn't want and didn't even know I was having till after the fact!

Yes, I mention the other person in my situation a lot. That's because the bulk of the unresolved issues are to do with him, his problems and his life. I am still having a lot of problems and unfortunately in most areas most of it's out of my hands. When something isn't however, I take care of it. He's having different problems and is at a different place in his life -- he's got a lot to learn so to speak. Does he learn it? Maybe... We'll see. He's the wildcard, really. From what I know and have heard, he's at a point where he might just make it and might just not. We'll see. As for me, I unfortunately again have no control over a lot from stuff with him to medical issues to issues with other work/"life" things that are currently under the control of others. So yes, it's a hard time for me. And yes I worry about him and his life as obviously, I still love him the same if not more than always -- you don't lose those connections and feelings that fast and you don't put someone out of your feelings that fast when you feel that deeply for them and have some of those deep intuitive gut feelings about things with you and them (the ones you and I have written about). And being female, I tend to worry about loved ones. It's what we do, isn't it?

I'd also guess that most people coming to LP are there for romantic problems. I can't prove it, but I'd guess it's the bulk of what readers see. Maybe there's family or work or friend problems in there, too, but I'm betting most issues are romantic.
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AUTHOR: Suzanne - (U.S.A.)

Well, I respect your opinions and attitudes, but I disagree with them. I am not sure who you think is "psychic" if you think deep intuition and knowing things you can NOT know without the use of the five main senses is not psychic. If you get premonitions about things and do not "literally" read cards but rather get impressions, then that makes you psychic. What else would you call it?

It seems to me like you are looking for a "no tools" reader. I have commented on this before. There is no substantial difference between the quality of readings given by a "tools" reader versus a "no tools" reader. Most readers DO use tools, even clairvoyants tend to use tools.

Do not make the mistake of assuming that readers who are led JUST by Spirit and Spirit alone are the only real "psychics." First of all, a clairvoyant or Spirit Lead reading can be very accurate in the present but not accurate in predictions- just like any other kind of reading or reader. The information is ALL the same. The only difference is whether someone gets it via radio, TV, internet, lol. That's an analogy, of course. Don't assume that Spirit Guides are all-knowing. They aren't. Only God is, and Spirit Guides are not God. Don't assume that the most "natural" and "clear sighted no tools reader" is the "best" reader either.

It really makes no difference HOW someone reads. The only thing that matters is whether the reading was helpful, honest, and accurate. Don't confuse mystic with magic, and don't get "lost" in the "process" of looking for the "best" reader. Instead, focus more on getting what YOU need to grow as a person and see your situation as clearly as you can so that YOU can make empowered choices that leave you in a better place from when you have started.

But no, I do not think I have a "misleading" profile. I clearly state in my profile that I read on Liveperson through cards. The real problem is that you did not want to read with a reader who connects with cards. That's fine, and I respect your feelings. But please do not label people as "not psychic" simply because they use a tool that you arbitrarily have decided disqualifies them. You claim that being psychic means you have to get all info "naturally". I don't know what that means. Where did you learn that definition of "psychic"? What do you mean by "get it on their own"? Being psychic is heightened intuition- it means that you KNOW something to be true that you otherwise could not have known unless you used one of the five main senses of touch, taste, sight, hearing or smell. Your definition is not the one that many other people use. What you are describing as "psychic" is really "channeling" or pure clairvoyancy. And my feeling on this (and maybe I am wrong), is that you are assuming that channeling or pure clairvoyancy will lead to a better or more accurate reading. So I would disagree with you on both points.

Finally, I would encourage you to not have so much self doubt about your own abilities- both as a reader and as a person- and to not put more stock in what ANYONE says about your life than the amount of stock you put in what YOU have to say about your life. You have obviously let some insecurities you have about your own ability to read for yourself interfere with judgment regarding what you should do. I have read through your other posts, and while I commend you for looking for "the truth", I have noticed that most of your posts talk about what this other person in your life is doing, not doing, saying, not saying, etc. Rarely do you talk about what YOU will do and how all of these readings have helped you to examine YOUR best path. Maybe you should think about that, is all I am saying.

In any event, I probably won't be back to post again because I am sure that we would just volley back and forth in disagreement. LOL.

Suzanne
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#40 Consumer Comment

Patterns

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

After all this discussion, I'm looking at some of my transcripts online. I'm seeing some things that have come to pass from some readers -- the main problem with the ones who seem to have predicted things that are going on for real is that most timeframes seem to be off. This isn't for all of them, but most.

And at times I would take things for granted that were said and think that things would happen all in some sort of exacting order or in an order I assumed. But I am seeing accurate predictions and such from some readers. One reader in particular fascinates me as he could still be very right -- just way off with timing. And something else he says is reversed and wasn't about me yet is true about my ex.

I'm also seeing some examples of readers saying things that have truth in them, but they've said them the "wrong way" so that it seems as if things are slightly different than what really happened. That's hard to explain, but within my situation I can see these examples clearly. I also see that a few readers did confuse the two very very similar women I mentioned before. I do not hold that against them as from what I know, these women are soooo similar and around at the same time that it's understandable. Plus, when the readers would mention this, I'd confirm that it was the one person I assumed it would be as I didn't realize that the other woman would be so similar. I don't expect readers to be infallible! :) Esp when I'm confirming info for them after they see it.

I'll know more about what REALLY happens in the next months -- by the end of the summer this saga HAS to end with me. But I think a lot of this is a learning experience (a very expensive one!). It's not just the readers who are to be "tested", but you have to learn not to assume much yourself and not put your own bias on predictions and twist them in your head. And it seems that I may connect and have success with readers who others won't and vice versa...seems like most of this is so random according to who really works for you that it's hard to tell unless you do "shop around".

But I am so fascinated by this. Reading these transcripts reminds me of so much and I am seeing movement in some of the readings certain readers gave me. In the end it could be that these things I was told do come true all the way, but it could also be that everything "stops here". But going back over this stuff at this point in time is really something.

I think the biggest concern for anyone new to this though is avoiding the obvious frauds. There is info out there, but not enough. Those are the ones to really worry about while trying to find a good reader for yourself.
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#41 Consumer Comment

For Suzanne

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I do understand your point, but as someone who reads myself and who understands the emotions aspect, I have to say -- being a tarot reader -- no matter how good -- does not make you a psychic. I've had premonitions, I've known things, I've felt things like death, etc etc. I have deep intuition about certain things. And it probably helps me with the cards (which I'm still mostly staying away from even after all these months). But being able to read when at my best emotionally still doesn't make me psychic. Nor does sometimes getting deep intuitions about things.

Anyone can read cards and I've encouraged many friends to try as I tell them that they do have it in them if they put in the work to learn and understand how to tap into your brain to piece it all together. But they and I and you are not psychics. Tarot is metaphysical, but to read you do not have to be psychic, and you are not automatically. Some say we're all psychic -- maybe we are. But only some (the ones that clients on LP want and sometimes do/don't get!) are the ones who really have an overt gift where it comes naturally.
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#42 Consumer Comment

For Suzanne

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I do understand your point, but as someone who reads myself and who understands the emotions aspect, I have to say -- being a tarot reader -- no matter how good -- does not make you a psychic. I've had premonitions, I've known things, I've felt things like death, etc etc. I have deep intuition about certain things. And it probably helps me with the cards (which I'm still mostly staying away from even after all these months). But being able to read when at my best emotionally still doesn't make me psychic. Nor does sometimes getting deep intuitions about things.

Anyone can read cards and I've encouraged many friends to try as I tell them that they do have it in them if they put in the work to learn and understand how to tap into your brain to piece it all together. But they and I and you are not psychics. Tarot is metaphysical, but to read you do not have to be psychic, and you are not automatically. Some say we're all psychic -- maybe we are. But only some (the ones that clients on LP want and sometimes do/don't get!) are the ones who really have an overt gift where it comes naturally.
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For Suzanne

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I do understand your point, but as someone who reads myself and who understands the emotions aspect, I have to say -- being a tarot reader -- no matter how good -- does not make you a psychic. I've had premonitions, I've known things, I've felt things like death, etc etc. I have deep intuition about certain things. And it probably helps me with the cards (which I'm still mostly staying away from even after all these months). But being able to read when at my best emotionally still doesn't make me psychic. Nor does sometimes getting deep intuitions about things.

Anyone can read cards and I've encouraged many friends to try as I tell them that they do have it in them if they put in the work to learn and understand how to tap into your brain to piece it all together. But they and I and you are not psychics. Tarot is metaphysical, but to read you do not have to be psychic, and you are not automatically. Some say we're all psychic -- maybe we are. But only some (the ones that clients on LP want and sometimes do/don't get!) are the ones who really have an overt gift where it comes naturally.
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For Suzanne

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I do understand your point, but as someone who reads myself and who understands the emotions aspect, I have to say -- being a tarot reader -- no matter how good -- does not make you a psychic. I've had premonitions, I've known things, I've felt things like death, etc etc. I have deep intuition about certain things. And it probably helps me with the cards (which I'm still mostly staying away from even after all these months). But being able to read when at my best emotionally still doesn't make me psychic. Nor does sometimes getting deep intuitions about things.

Anyone can read cards and I've encouraged many friends to try as I tell them that they do have it in them if they put in the work to learn and understand how to tap into your brain to piece it all together. But they and I and you are not psychics. Tarot is metaphysical, but to read you do not have to be psychic, and you are not automatically. Some say we're all psychic -- maybe we are. But only some (the ones that clients on LP want and sometimes do/don't get!) are the ones who really have an overt gift where it comes naturally.
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#45 Consumer Comment

names and dob

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

I've found if a reader asks for names and dob's then you are not going to get an accurate reading. Lost count of the times they have read on a persons name and it turned out they picked up on someone else. It is the ENERGY of the person they should be picking up. So if the reader can clearly pick up the persons character/personality, then they have them. Names and especially DOB are irrelevant in the spiritual world.

And you should not have to give the reader any information at all, just validate that they have their details correct with a simple yes or no.
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#46 Consumer Comment

names and dob

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

I've found if a reader asks for names and dob's then you are not going to get an accurate reading. Lost count of the times they have read on a persons name and it turned out they picked up on someone else. It is the ENERGY of the person they should be picking up. So if the reader can clearly pick up the persons character/personality, then they have them. Names and especially DOB are irrelevant in the spiritual world.

And you should not have to give the reader any information at all, just validate that they have their details correct with a simple yes or no.
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#47 Consumer Comment

names and dob

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

I've found if a reader asks for names and dob's then you are not going to get an accurate reading. Lost count of the times they have read on a persons name and it turned out they picked up on someone else. It is the ENERGY of the person they should be picking up. So if the reader can clearly pick up the persons character/personality, then they have them. Names and especially DOB are irrelevant in the spiritual world.

And you should not have to give the reader any information at all, just validate that they have their details correct with a simple yes or no.
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#48 Consumer Comment

names and dob

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

I've found if a reader asks for names and dob's then you are not going to get an accurate reading. Lost count of the times they have read on a persons name and it turned out they picked up on someone else. It is the ENERGY of the person they should be picking up. So if the reader can clearly pick up the persons character/personality, then they have them. Names and especially DOB are irrelevant in the spiritual world.

And you should not have to give the reader any information at all, just validate that they have their details correct with a simple yes or no.
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#49 Consumer Comment

Good ideas

AUTHOR: Augusta - (U.S.A.)

S and Lucy have made very valid points - that inaccurate information can really cause problems and especially what Lucy said about tailoring readings, and what actually "pin point accuracy" etc means. Clients do rate too soon, they are not aware of the psychological "tricks", cold readings technqiues, multiple accounts and friiends on Kas which newer clients are not aware of - so therefore clients are "astounded" etc. I would love to really see what they are astounded by! And how things really turned out.

jh - the readers you mentioned - shining love and the aroma one - I'm glad you had good luck but I do not think I would try them for myself. I carefully read the bios and all the feedback so I would be wary for myself.
As for High Priestess, I had one read a long time ago - I felt she was a surface reader and too quick to judge someone based on the surface assumptions. She was wrong and besides the prediction didnt come true. So I chose not to use again. Lidia is very detailed, I had one read quite awhile ago - unfortunately the predictions did not manifest ever. So I just didnt use again.

At least at that point I would try once and then let it go when nothing ever happened. I just feel bad for the clients who keep going back and getting extended timeframes and excuses and ultimately - nothing.
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In response

AUTHOR: Suzanne - (U.S.A.)

Hello-

Because I was mentioned in this report, I feel the need to clarify some things. If people have questions about how I work, then contacting me via email on Liveperson is what you should do. I am always happy to answer questions.

First of all, I began on Liveperson as a counselor, not a reader. The reason for this was because 1) I am qualified to do so as I have an MSW and years of clinical training and 2) At the time I began working on Kasamba, the categories were very different and there was no specific listing for counselors- only readers. I was newly minted with my MSW, and I did not WANT to give readings. I wanted to do counseling! There was a need and a demand for counselors, and I carved an initial niche that way.

The crazy thing was that my counseling sessions wound up turning into readings by default. I never liked regular psychological counseling because the counselor is not supposed to give her opinion. She is instead supposed to help clients see things over time- in their own way- and come to conclusions on their own. This is not always very helpful as some people are more empowered when they see the answers- not get around to the answers over a period of months or years. Most of my clients at the time wanted me to tell them what I thought would be happening, and so I did. It turns out that I was making predictions that happened for people. If you go back through my feedback from three years ago, you will see some people saying that I may as well have been giving a reading.

So, as a result, I went back to card reading- which I had always done anyway as a side thing- but I had never read for strangers, only myself, my family and people who I met in person. So I began to bridge between giving BOTH readings and 1:1 counseling, and for awhile, I carried an equal case load of each. Then later on, but long before the Liverperson acquisition, Kasamba altered the Expert clusters and told all of the Experts that they could only be listed in ONE category. At that point, I was forced to decide whether I wanted to do readings (which had become about 80% of my caseload) or focus exclusively on empathic tarot. It was a no brainer, and I chose the empathic tarot route. However, to this day, my regular clients know that ANY reading from me will of course contain some measure of counseling in addition to the reading.

Now as far as not being really psychic goes

I hope people understand that there are different forms of psychic. Some assume that psychics are all clairvoyants. This is not true. A clairvoyant is someone who sees images in her mind, pictures, perhaps gets dates and times, etc. I am not a clairvoyant, and I have clearly said that multiple times. I have turned away numerous clients over the years who I have felt were in need of a clairvoyant. But I am real reader. Yes, I always use my cards during a reading. But I do not just read the cards. My cards are the conduit- but what makes me me is my ability to get to the heart of the matter with detail because I connect to my cards through your energy and through the energy of the universe in general. Readings are stronger this way- much more detailed- more coherent and logical- and yes, more accurate.

Now an empath is someone who feels the emotions of other people, and it is different from having regular empathy for someone. Being an empath means that I have a hard time- really hard time- attending funerals and wakes, and even weddings make me nervous because of all the energy. I sense emotions the way most people smell something. It's a physical response. I get this also with animals VERY strongly- so much so that I have literally thrown up when passing dead animals on the road or walking by someone's coffin (if the death was violent- as I knew someone who was murdered and I was literally made ill while passing her casket).

Being an empathic tarot reader IS being psychic. It is a form of psychic-ness. Mediums are also psychics (no, I am in no way a medium). Clairvoyants are psychics, mediums are psychics, empathic tarot readers are psychics, but not all psychics are any of the above. There is gross misunderstanding about this. I stray from the idea of psychic because of all the misunderstanding that surrounds the term, and I prefer reader because it is a more apt description.

Now moving on (and yes, this seems to be a treatise now, lol- but I am thankful for the opportunity to share my thoughts)

About accuracy and predictions:

Most people I read for find my readings extremely accurate. Most of my predictions come to pass. Do all of them come to pass? No, of course not. But you have to understand what I believe (because what I believe influences how I read). I believe that the future is not set in stone and that the future changes as we make changes. While some things are fixed, other things are mutable (and this is clearly stated in my profile on liveperson). Some people are simply easier to read than other people, and I have better connections with some clients than with other clients.

Also, some situations are more clear in the reading than other situations. For all of these reasons, I clearly tell clients that I tend not to look far beyond the next six months, that things can and do change, and that they do have control over their lives and their situations. If I have not been accurate for a client, I apologize, and no, I tend not to accept any money from that client for another reading if I am told by a client that I was not correct. But I still screw things up from time to time for even my best clients. Luckily, they forgive me and know that most of the time, I see things accurately for them.

The last thing I want to explain is in regard to JH's comments about my pace in her reading. JH said that I took my time at first and then seemed to zip through her follow-up questions. Yes, and there is a reason for this. When I read, I begin with a spread (I design all my own spreads, by the way) and go through that spread carefully and give the info as I see it and I can be very methodical.

Now once I have given the basic information, I ask clients if they have questions. I then answer those questions with the left-over cards not used in the spread. That is, I literally pull three cards in succession for each question, as the question is asked. I get the answers very quickly. And no, it is usually not a literal 1-2-3 explanation of the three cards, but rather my empathic feeling about the cards and what they are showing me. For example, say someone's follow-up question is will he come back?. I pull three, and I get rev Queen of Cups, 3 of wands, and rev High Priestess. The answer is no. But that's not the whole answer. The whole answer may be no, and you need to be careful here because you are going to have a lot of self doubt. Or, no, but you are not going to accept this and will choose a path of waiting instead, which will wear you down and make you feel worse. Or, maybe it is no, but your extreme sadness will ease and turn into acceptance from afar, though you will not feel like you have closure from this guy.

The same cards will mean different things depending on the client and the situation. But that information comes more quickly because I am only reading three cards at a time, not the normal 14 I have for the basic relationship reading or 10 I use in my modified Celtic Cross spread. And yes, sometimes things are unclear but I see something else, and what I say then is I am not sure, but I can tell you X.

The final thing I want to mention here is that even when the specific details do not manifest in the exact way I see, the general theme I see tends to manifest. Either there will be a reunion or there won't be. If the outcomes I see are a dis-union, a failure to re-engage, sadness, no real changes, etc.- then those are the main themes. If someone is not emotionally available, lies, hides things, says one thing but then does another, etc- then those patterns are likely to repeat themselves until the relationship finally ends or someone enters therapy (and yes, I have suggested to many clients that they seek professional, in person therapy- and most have refused or blown that suggestion off).

I am terribly sorry if I saw something working in one way that did not manifest itself. I try to be the best reader and most ethical reader I can be. I do not over-charge, and I give lots of free time before a session with all new clients to be sure that I am reading it the right way. I do not try to sell people charms or spells or anything like that. I am not a prediction making machine. I am a grounded, realistic, ethical reader, and I give you exactly what I see, good or bad. I am not 100% accurate or 98% accurate. I try by best for all my clients, and sometimes I fail. But I am always genuine. I do not have any feedback removed or modified from my profile- every single rating I was ever given is available for viewing. I do not belong to any outside groups or discuss client information with anyone.

If an empathic tarot reading that is extremely accurate in the present and likely accurate in the near term with accuracy in the overall theme is not good enough- or psychic-enough- for some people, then I am not the reader for those people. The present is FAR more important than the future. How a situation makes you feel as a person- and how healthy something is in general- is the most important gift a reading can help you to see. I more than likely connect best with people who share my world view. I wish more people would take the time to ask me what a reading is and not make the assumption that only clairvoyants are real psychics. If me taking the first name of your love interest as well as your first name and telling you about the present (with no other information from you) for FREE is not proof enough that you are getting an authentic psychic reading, then I really do not know what else to say. I wish everyone well.

Suzanne
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#51 Consumer Comment

Validation

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I do know what you mean. Early on I didn't give much info other than the basics. But even then I may have said too much! Then I started to give too much info and I know that there were two instances where people were going by what I said.

I learned a lot from that, but it's hard to know what's too much to say. However, with the above people I mentioned as trusting, I do feel that there's something there. Esp the first two I mentioned. I gave no info that they could feed off of. The same for High Priestess. I can't remember what I said to SA as it was so long ago. Shining Love especially knew stuff that was shocking. I'm not even sure my closest friends knew that much about this situation!

What's going on with me should be either turning or just given up on by the end of the summer for my own sanity, so I'll know in a few months what's what. Of the other people I spoke to, I can't really tell if what they told me will come to pass till then either. Though for some of them I already know that they were of the "good description of the situation/yet predictions don't come true" variety. There's also one reader I really liked and still do, yet I'm confused by things he said at various times. I've seen some of it come true so far, but it's complicated. That's why I don't want to say more about my "second batch" of readers till more time has passed.

Part of the problem is that there's only so much research out there when you're looking for readers and trying to find ones who are real. You see sites like this, you see some yahoo groups stuff, but....there's just not much to go on.
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#52 Consumer Comment

Validation....

AUTHOR: S - (United Kingdom)

Im not saying there isnt ONE OR TWO experts without a gift of psychic ability on K, but most are fake and are scammers.

I don't think that you can say that an expert is a real psychic unless you have proven predictions that have come true...more than once allowing for coincidences and lucky guesses.

But validation is the key, if they can tell you accurately about what you do know for an absolute fact without any pre-info from you.

Validation is not what you percieve or think to be the situation or someone elses thoughts, but things that you have clear tangible evidence of.

I think many many people get confused about this. They hear what they want to hear, and think its validation. But these so called experts are in some way expert at working that out, so can tailor their reading to suit your issues or circumstances.

"Highly accurate" "spot on", "hit the nail on the head". Is said by so many clients in feedback. How do they know this? because they agree with what is being told to them by the expert? or because the expert has told them something very factual that they could not have possibly known? I suspect in most cases its the first one.

Which explains why so many high ranking experts are up in the front pages with great feedback and high prices to match. Clients rate too quick, like straight after the reading, rather than waiting to digest what they have been told, wait for predictions to come true, or validate something that has been told to them via other means.

You just have to be one hell of a smart cookie to get past the scammers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to do if you are going to get psychic readings, and most of us have had to learn the hard way.

If you are going to have readings then my advice is....Don't tailor the reading to fit the situation (that you think is the situation). Don't tell them the situation before you have a reading and DON'T think a psychic is real until you have absolute concerete proof of it, which means don't go back again and again for readings until you can validate the first one. That way, when you find out they are wrong you won't be so pissed off about the amount of money they made from you.
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Validation....

AUTHOR: S - (United Kingdom)

Im not saying there isnt ONE OR TWO experts without a gift of psychic ability on K, but most are fake and are scammers.

I don't think that you can say that an expert is a real psychic unless you have proven predictions that have come true...more than once allowing for coincidences and lucky guesses.

But validation is the key, if they can tell you accurately about what you do know for an absolute fact without any pre-info from you.

Validation is not what you percieve or think to be the situation or someone elses thoughts, but things that you have clear tangible evidence of.

I think many many people get confused about this. They hear what they want to hear, and think its validation. But these so called experts are in some way expert at working that out, so can tailor their reading to suit your issues or circumstances.

"Highly accurate" "spot on", "hit the nail on the head". Is said by so many clients in feedback. How do they know this? because they agree with what is being told to them by the expert? or because the expert has told them something very factual that they could not have possibly known? I suspect in most cases its the first one.

Which explains why so many high ranking experts are up in the front pages with great feedback and high prices to match. Clients rate too quick, like straight after the reading, rather than waiting to digest what they have been told, wait for predictions to come true, or validate something that has been told to them via other means.

You just have to be one hell of a smart cookie to get past the scammers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to do if you are going to get psychic readings, and most of us have had to learn the hard way.

If you are going to have readings then my advice is....Don't tailor the reading to fit the situation (that you think is the situation). Don't tell them the situation before you have a reading and DON'T think a psychic is real until you have absolute concerete proof of it, which means don't go back again and again for readings until you can validate the first one. That way, when you find out they are wrong you won't be so pissed off about the amount of money they made from you.
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Validation....

AUTHOR: S - (United Kingdom)

Im not saying there isnt ONE OR TWO experts without a gift of psychic ability on K, but most are fake and are scammers.

I don't think that you can say that an expert is a real psychic unless you have proven predictions that have come true...more than once allowing for coincidences and lucky guesses.

But validation is the key, if they can tell you accurately about what you do know for an absolute fact without any pre-info from you.

Validation is not what you percieve or think to be the situation or someone elses thoughts, but things that you have clear tangible evidence of.

I think many many people get confused about this. They hear what they want to hear, and think its validation. But these so called experts are in some way expert at working that out, so can tailor their reading to suit your issues or circumstances.

"Highly accurate" "spot on", "hit the nail on the head". Is said by so many clients in feedback. How do they know this? because they agree with what is being told to them by the expert? or because the expert has told them something very factual that they could not have possibly known? I suspect in most cases its the first one.

Which explains why so many high ranking experts are up in the front pages with great feedback and high prices to match. Clients rate too quick, like straight after the reading, rather than waiting to digest what they have been told, wait for predictions to come true, or validate something that has been told to them via other means.

You just have to be one hell of a smart cookie to get past the scammers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to do if you are going to get psychic readings, and most of us have had to learn the hard way.

If you are going to have readings then my advice is....Don't tailor the reading to fit the situation (that you think is the situation). Don't tell them the situation before you have a reading and DON'T think a psychic is real until you have absolute concerete proof of it, which means don't go back again and again for readings until you can validate the first one. That way, when you find out they are wrong you won't be so pissed off about the amount of money they made from you.
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Validation....

AUTHOR: S - (United Kingdom)

Im not saying there isnt ONE OR TWO experts without a gift of psychic ability on K, but most are fake and are scammers.

I don't think that you can say that an expert is a real psychic unless you have proven predictions that have come true...more than once allowing for coincidences and lucky guesses.

But validation is the key, if they can tell you accurately about what you do know for an absolute fact without any pre-info from you.

Validation is not what you percieve or think to be the situation or someone elses thoughts, but things that you have clear tangible evidence of.

I think many many people get confused about this. They hear what they want to hear, and think its validation. But these so called experts are in some way expert at working that out, so can tailor their reading to suit your issues or circumstances.

"Highly accurate" "spot on", "hit the nail on the head". Is said by so many clients in feedback. How do they know this? because they agree with what is being told to them by the expert? or because the expert has told them something very factual that they could not have possibly known? I suspect in most cases its the first one.

Which explains why so many high ranking experts are up in the front pages with great feedback and high prices to match. Clients rate too quick, like straight after the reading, rather than waiting to digest what they have been told, wait for predictions to come true, or validate something that has been told to them via other means.

You just have to be one hell of a smart cookie to get past the scammers. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to do if you are going to get psychic readings, and most of us have had to learn the hard way.

If you are going to have readings then my advice is....Don't tailor the reading to fit the situation (that you think is the situation). Don't tell them the situation before you have a reading and DON'T think a psychic is real until you have absolute concerete proof of it, which means don't go back again and again for readings until you can validate the first one. That way, when you find out they are wrong you won't be so pissed off about the amount of money they made from you.
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#56 Consumer Comment

energies they pick up

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

They do get energies mixed up. It has happened to me quite a bit. There are very few psychics in this world who work with pin point accuracy. You can also hurt other people in your life along the way if the information given is not totally accurate.

Go with your own instincts and your heart.
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#57 Consumer Comment

energies they pick up

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

They do get energies mixed up. It has happened to me quite a bit. There are very few psychics in this world who work with pin point accuracy. You can also hurt other people in your life along the way if the information given is not totally accurate.

Go with your own instincts and your heart.
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#58 Consumer Comment

energies they pick up

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

They do get energies mixed up. It has happened to me quite a bit. There are very few psychics in this world who work with pin point accuracy. You can also hurt other people in your life along the way if the information given is not totally accurate.

Go with your own instincts and your heart.
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#59 Consumer Comment

any names? :P

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

Well, for Sylvia I want to be fair as I'm going off of second hand knowledge for the women thing -- so I really really do want to be fair. And two readers that I do trust did also mix in (I think!) these women.

Do you have any comments -- or does anyone? -- about the readers from who I listed so far who are fakes? I'm curious. I have to admit, in between the drama of my life, the LP thing is a bit fun, and a learning experience. And when you find a good reader, wow!

Without going into too many details, as I want to save that, I will say that the readers I'm blown away by are:

Shining Love -- she was telling me my life like a book. She even named months that things happened and such. My mouth was hanging open every other sentence when we first read together. I've seen her a lot and she is the most generous woman. She remembers everything, too, and I love the woman. She's got a lot of repeat customers already.

Lidia -- only just saw her but WOW. I can't prove how accurate she is yet as what she told me won't come till July/August. BUT I gave her nothing but my concern and she described things in such detail that astounded me. The man involved in this situation is COMPLICATED -- but she nailed him better than I could! And she laid the situation out in a way that literally took me months to even figure out -- but she did it in a few lines. She matches Shining Love info wise, only difference is Lidia gives dates and is a bit more prediction oriented (which is very good, as I want to know!). So we'll see about the future, but WOW on her abilities. Nothing seems to get past her at all and she picks up everything.

High Priestess -- The timeframe she gave me was off yet not off (it's complicated but she was accurate for part of what was discussed time wise), so I think that confused some things. She did say timing is hard to predict, and when a reader says that, I understand that it's a guideline thing. What she told me makes sense and is clear and the "path" makes sense. And as like the other two, I gave her no info and off she was telling me about the person and the situation. Her info also matches the others. Obviously this can mean nothing in the end, but... it's not fluffy stuff that's sugarcoated.

Spiritual Aroma -- This may surprise people. She's not a top reader and is very affordable. Her writing isn't the most clear, BUT she early on told me pretty much the entire story before anyone else -- I really didn't even believe it till months passed and I went back to things! Her timeframes are also good. The only thing that I've found "wrong" is that she once told me there'd be contact by my ex when really it was me making contact. And then, she told me about someone appearing in my life around this time of the year, but it's really happened to my ex. However, the description is full on accurate. She's a GEM and I'd say that anyone who wants to try LP out but not spend money should try her. Just beware that she gives such a broad long ranging view of things that you may think NO WAY!! But really, she's GOOD. Really really nice girl.

Those are my realest real psychics. There's others I like for various reasons, and one I want to try someday, but I will wait till more time has passed to get into discussing this stuff. I've found that some of the readers are good with picking up the story and personality but not more, or they're great till they get to the predictions. But I'm glad that I know which readers I trust.

I think the only real, real ripoffs I feel overtly about (as of thinking about it now) are Catatina and Terry M. And I'm very sad about the Terry M. thing still. That really was heartbreaking to me in a way.
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JH

AUTHOR: Augusta - (U.S.A.)

That was a great review of your experiences with readers and I am sure some of us on this site appreciate it very much. I think you are giving way too much credit to some of these readers or trying to backtrack and explain or fit that they mixed two people into one. that's very nice of you but truly not what we clients pay for, nor for events not to happen at all, or for events to happen to the other person instead of you.

That is not clear reading at all, very misleading and this is what really upsets clients. You are only one person and this is happening to many clients. Can you really say that after the readers you tried and the money you spent - you received clear and accurate messages? I don't think so. And more than you think are still multiple accounts on LP, the feedback is wrong as it is edited and also readers rate other readers - read carefully and you will see.

Most of whom you mentioned I can assure you are not psychic. And no psychic should be telling you WHAT to do. Give the freaking clear information and only what you are getting. They cannot even do that. Reflective Soul is NOT psychic, in her past she was a counselor on LP and not in the readers category. She moved over to it...wish I had saved the previous profile to show you.
Truly JH I wish I could steer you on LP to a REAL reader but they are so intermingled and work and play together on myspace and other sites - you just would never have faith again in trying LP>
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Update to reviews

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I just wanted to update my Sylvia review --

Now that I've found out some more new things "in real life" lol, I think that there actually were two people that she was seeing as a "new woman" that were mixed in. In other words, two similar women kind of "clashed" and ended up being seen as one by Sylvia. So for that part of what she told me, I think that I was part right and she was part right, but either way, it was two people in one and I think some wires were crossed -- which is TOTALLY understandable.

What's funny is that I think that two other readers (not yet reviewed) also mixed in these two people into one person -- but with this situation it makes sense that this happened due to who these women are. Sounds mysterious, but I wanted to clarify this.

I'm also seeing that two other readers (again, not yet reviewed) told me something would happen to me, yet it seems that it's happening to my ex and being played out right now as described. These two readers had similar info (they are not in cahoots at all -- I can tell that!). I find it a bit funny, yet I do think both are very, very good readers, just not perfect (no one is!).
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Wow -- Edited Feedback

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

This is the second time this has happened to me, though it was expected the first time.

But - I just looked at a transcript from one of my readings, and then I looked at the reader's feedback. When I saw my feedback for the reader, it had been edited! They also left a "trace" by leaving spaces where they shouldn't have before punctuation, right before the stuff they cut out.

I know that as of last week the feedback was still in its intact state, so...wow. What was edited was some info on what was said in the reading that made it incorrect, but it was not personal info. It surely was not more than you see others writing about in their feedbacks. But it did show just what the reader was wrong about. It wasn't negatively written, either!

Does anyone with inside info know how this sort of thing happens? Does LP police feedback, or can readers submit feedback for editing and use privacy as a reason?
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My Reviews of Readers -- Part 1

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

As some time has passed, I realized that it's now "safe" circumstance wise to discuss some of the readers I spoke to. There are still several other readers who I don't want to review yet as I'm still waiting for things they've said to pass, or I'm still unsure of how some things they said will play out in the larger scheme of things.

I did mention two readers who I LOVE and who've been very accurate so far on another page on the Rip Off Report. And there's another reader I didn't mention yet who's also been one of the steadily accurate few so far. But I will save that for another time -- which will likely be months from now depending on how things play out for me :) So look for a followup report in the future from me.

I am not listing the following readers in any order whatsoever -- they are all randomly ordered.

Now, some background, which I already gave some of in the past here.

I was in a long distance relationship (different countries). Things were very, very good between us. Then difficulties started in his life. They also started in mine soon after, but his seemed to engulf him. He also seemed to become fearful of how deeply in he was with me emotionally. There were also other people causing trouble for him as well who unfortunately are still around.

He started to change and was stressed, yet said all was well with us. We still had our future plans. But the troubles continued, and after a period of "space" for his benefit, eventually there was a breakup that I didn't expect at all. I started to see readers near the start of the "space" period as I no longer trusted my own tarot readings, I was very confused, and I was also curious.

I'm posting this in this thread (apologies to the original poster!) as most of my other Ripoff Report posts are here, and I wanted things to be all in one place as I did do a few other writeups in this thread a while back and it makes sense to keep it all here.

So now, here's my first set of reviews. Please remember these are my experiences alone :)


== FEENIXRISING ==
She was very nice and to the point -- answered whatever you asked her. Not a very chatty style, but she was direct and didn't waste time. But while her predictions matched what others said early on, they didn't come true. Very nice woman, though.


== ARIZONA ==
I really really liked Arizona. She had such concern for ME in my situation and my welfare. Such a nice woman!! Her preditions also matched others at the time. But like with the others, what was said didn't come to pass. She also told me some future stuff that I know now couldn't come to pass either. I liked this woman so much -- I wish her reading had come true only because I hate to say that it didn't :(


== TERRY MASTRIANTONIO ==
Terry is the expert I wrote about in this thread who "left me hanging", so I won't repeat too much here. I had three sessions with him, and his predictions were all steady -- nothing changed with what he saw and he was very consistent. Some of the current/past/upcoming things he said were on the mark and either were true or seemed very likely. But his future predictions about what would happen with me and my ex didn't come true. As I said earlier in this thread, I was more upset by the fact that he never followed up on the concern he said he had for me and my situation than anything else. I'm torn about what I think about his abilities. He has many repeat clients who are happy, so I may have been one of his exceptions for accuracy. He's very friendly and open, and my not hearing back from him at the very end after that last reading just doesn't make sense in light of the larger picture.


== PSYCHIC AMPHORABLUE ==
I never had a reading with her, but tried to. I connected and LP kicked me out about a minute later. I couldn't connect with her again that day or any other time I tried, nor did it matter what browser I used. It was odd. However, I did want to mention her here as I did have email contact with her while trying to reconnect, and she was very, very nice. So I don't know about her abilities, but she does take the time to respond to clients and potential clients. I feel that's important.


== CATATINA27 ==
I had two sessions with Catatina, and to be honest, I'm not sure what to think. I alternate between feeling she did her best and feeling I was cold read and ripped off.

During the first session with her, there were lots of pauses like people state in her feedback. But when she'd finally start typing, she'd fly with it. The info she gave was a bit confusing due to the way she worded things. But I did get dates from her, and I had a reading that made sense after I re-read the transcript a few times.

I realized later that I should have asked for dates for something else she said would happen soon. So I came back a week after the first reading. There were no pauses this time, and she seemed to be rushing things. She gave me the second set of dates and info, but some of her explanations for what I asked were now different than they were the week before. And when I made a comment about some recent contact I'd made with my ex (which she told me the week prior was good and would set off our further contact), she told me to NOT do that again and it was very bad that I had done that; contacting him again could mess things up. I was a bit shaken by that (this was before our breakup), and confused by the contradictions. Plus, later on as my situation progressed there was and HAD to be contact with my ex, and I felt like I didn't know how I could have stuck to what she said due to the circumstances.

None of her dates were accurate at all in the end. The funny thing is that for her latter set of dates, there were things going on which could have made those dates and her predictions for the time come true....but it didn't come to pass at all.

I have heard a few of Catatina's radio shows, and she seems very very very on the mark on those with callers. So was it a case of her just being wrong with me or something more? Cold reading? I don't know. I really don't know anything other than nothing she predicted for me came to pass, and I suspect I may not be the only one in that boat.


== ELIZABETH ==
I really like Elizabeth, though I'm not sure if my experiences with her match her general readings for others. I had three readings with her, and while she did confirm then current things and give info on that, she only said a tiny bit about the future. She mainly focused on explaining whys, reasons, and past events that lead to what was going on with my ex and why he behaved as he did. I hadn't expected that, but it made sense and it was very helpful. And it rang true.

My last session with her was more like therapy to be honest, as it was soon after my breakup and she was talking to me about that and the situation and not really making predictions other than to say he would pop up again (he has, but not in the way she and others say he would -- that may/may not still come and is up in the air! :)

I really, really, really like this woman. And again, I don't know how future oriented her readings are with others, but she filled in the blanks with me in a way others didn't and that was very valuable for me. And she cares about you as a client. She's genuine. Very genuine.


== PSYCHIC MARSHALL ==
This was quite an eye opener! I mentioned Marshall (not by name) earlier in this thread as well. Before I tried to connect to Marshall, I'd only ever left ONE negative feedback (for Gypsy Raven). ONE. Anyway, I connected to Marshall, we said hello, and I got about three words out when he suddenly said "goodbye" and hung up on me. I was shocked and stared at the screen thinking HUH?? I emailed him and asked what was going on and if I'd done something wrong, but never got a reply.

My only guess is that he looks at other profiles and keeps a list of people who have left bad feedback. That or he's part of some sort of info sharing group that trades the names of people who've left bad feedback. It's a shame though, as not only does that make HIM look bad professionally, but from his feedback he seems to be a very good reader. He doesn't need to employ these sort of tactics if he really is that talented. I wonder if anyone here has had experience with him, as I'm curious?


== GYPSY RAVEN ==
I said pretty much everything about her here on this thread a while back. I do think she was trying to help, really. But she was pushing her opinions and advice on me and that's not what you should do when someone's upset or asking for help.


== REFLECTIVE SOUL ==
Reflective Soul is another one that I wrote about here but didn't mention by name till now. She was the tarot reader I saw before Gypsy Raven who I thought was a psychic till after the reading due to her misleading profile.

Firstly, she was VERY VERY nice. VERY SWEET!!! VERY kind and VERY patient. She didn't have me hire till she felt she'd locked into the situation. And she did get the background dead on. I was impressed. But....I had no idea she was only doing intuitive tarot and wasn't a real psychic. As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, I do tarot myself and I didn't want just tarot at this time (I'd stopped trusting it and had a real crisis of faith with it). When I read RS's profile, it seemed that she was a psychic who uses tarot as a tool. That I understood concept wise, as some psychics do use cards, scrying, etc as tools. Her feedback was good, and on her page she details info on her psychic readings. So as far as I could tell, she was a psychic.

Her background and current info for me was accurate, but as I do know what info you can get from the cards, it does make sense looking back that she was accurate through that. She also took her time to give me that info, and I felt she was concentrating on her visions. However, when she looked towards the near future she got a not so great outcome. That prediction was the first to not match what other readers had told me, which was confusing. Then she said she'd look further than the next two months and asked if I had questions. I gave her something like three heavy duty questions in one go, and I expected her to pause like before while she concentrated. But instead, she came right back with answers right as soon as I finished my typing.

She told me that things would be the same as the near future and then told me some related info on why things would go as they would. At this point I thought, wait -- something isn't right here. The flow of her answers changed, and something about her answers seemed like she was pulling them out of thin air suddenly. I was confused.

After the reading ended I looked at all her profiles, and it seemed that for all but one or two she held herself out to be a psychic and said she does psychic readings. But in the "alternate" one or two profiles she stated clearly that she was not a psychic but an intuitive tarot reader. When I saw that, not only did my confusion grow, but I started to become very upset and very mad at myself for seeing another reader -- one who wasn't even what she said.

If I'd wanted a tarot reading from the start, then maybe this reading would have been all the way accurate and things would have been different. But I didn't know I was even having a cards only reading! I really had no clue till after it was over with and I read all her profiles. I felt very confused and just...odd.

In the end her near future predictions were inaccurate. And the far future ones (which cover the time period we're in now) were inaccurate as well. I've also seen some replies from RS here on the Ripoff Report where she states she's a tarot reader and not a psychic, but again, at the time of my reading on LP, her profile pages were misleading. I think they're still the same even now (at least they were the last I checked). I can't imagine I'm the only one who had no idea she wasn't a real psychic. Again, she was sooooo nice. But I feel like she misleads people with her profile info and she should change this.


== D.J. OWNBEY ==
He described my ex perfectly without any info from me -- and the situation. He's very, very spiritual, helpful and kind. He was wrong about a time frame for something, and if it does happen, it won't be for a while (he'd said a week, which I knew even at the time was definitely not gonna happen). He also said he'd email me some info, and he did. I'm not sure what else to say other than he was right about everything save for his time frame. I really didn't get much by way of future predictions from him, so all I can say is that he did grasp the situation and the people and the difficulties.


== SPIRITUAL ADVISOR XENORA ==
This was the first ever reading/reader I had. At the time I was looking for good reviews and a low price since I wasn't sure about this. Xenora had a "this might be fake??" looking page, but she was cheap, so I went for it. The funny thing is that a lot of what she said made sense at the time and actually did match real things going on! So for a while I wasn't sure about it, and I think I even gave a full rating (argh! I plead newbiness!). Later on when I came back to the transcript I saw enough in between the very poor writing style to know that this was a fake despite some realistic stuff being said. She also told me things would be back to normal and better within the month. Obviously didn't happen! There are some "matching" profiles to Xenora's out there with the same info on them. Whoever the real women are in the photos, I don't know. But the person behind the accounts did a fairly good job with picking photos that make you think they could be real people.


== SYLVIA THE CLAIRVOYANT ==
To be honest, this was not a good experience. I wasn't in a good frame of mind when I contacted her to start with, and I stupidly went forward with things even after I had an "out" not to. I shouldn't have gone through with this one, and it was my fault!

I contacted Sylvia and tried to explain some of what went on and what I was wanting to know about, but it was difficult as the situation was a real MESS by now and I was very confused and upset. I had no direct questions -- I just wanted to know what she saw on the situation. Sylvia has a very professional tone, but she seemed to get annoyed by my trying to explain things. I know experts who are honest don't want you feeding them info, but I was trying to somehow get things out and assumed she'd seen many clients who weren't sure what they wanted before that she'd understand.

However, she asked for a direct question and names from me. I was trying to somehow do that, but I couldn't really get that out as there was NO direct question, so I was going in circles again. Then we got cut off. At first I thought she did it, but when I emailed her, she replied straight away and said it was a computer issue. That made me feel a bit better, so I decided I'd go back. When I did, she said we should start from scratch -- and I should give her a direct question. So...I did. It wasn't really what I wanted to ask, but I felt like she wasn't going to work with me any other way. YES -- STUPID OF ME!! And NO, *I* shouldn't have gone forward with things. I take responsibility.

After I gave my question, she said that before we started, she wanted me to know that all 5 star raters get a free followup question by email within the coming week. I said okay, thanks. But in my head I thought WAIT A SECOND....

Then she started the reading and told me what she saw. Again, she has a very professional tone. She told me something about my ex and a new woman and described things. I said that she could be right, but I felt that who she was really seeing was a woman who's not a romantic interest but who's currently around and is a hanger on (for complicated reasons). I also didn't say it, but the romantic "style" she saw for my ex isn't him either. As I had no way of proving this otherwise, I told myself that I should wait and see if Sylvia was right.

Then she said that my ex would contact me in November to get back together, but I'd be with someone else by that time and there'd be no reunion due to that. At this point I thought okay, she's very off. I thanked her and we ended the session. It was only a quick session anyhow.

She hadn't been told, nor did she see that my ex and I were long distance. So I couldn't and can't imagine he'd contact me out of the blue 7 months after a breakup to get back together -- esp not with his lifestyle and stubborn personality. Anyway, I waited to rate Sylvia till nearly the full month was up as I wanted to wait till I knew for sure about the other woman thing. I felt if I never knew for sure, I just wouldn't rate her because I wanted to be fair. As it turned out though, I found from another source that the other woman was who I said it was and not anyone new. I did give her 3 stars and was fairly positive in the rating, so I felt I was being fair in that we didn't connect. But I am still bothered by the direct question thing and the "get a free followup if you rate 5 stars this week" thing.


== LYDIA ASWOLF ==
What a nice woman!! She doesn't allow you to hire unless she fully connects. She did connect with me very well at first. Then she picked up on something in my ex's life, but felt that he felt it about my life (in reality it was about his life -- is that too confusing? :). So we didn't go forward with the reading. She was such a nice lady and so ethical in things she said and how she handled herself. Really, really lovely. It's too bad I couldn't read with her, but I do think that anyone out there should give her a try. I was very impressed by her all around. She's a class act.
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#64 Consumer Comment

not for long

AUTHOR: Janice - (Australia)

That has always been my intention - to finish it and walk away. I have other projects that I have set aside for this because I believed it was important. In fact I have arranged leave from work next week to finish it. I am fortunate enough to have some brilliant editors to read and comment on the draft when it is finished. Clearly, you are not aware that major projects are ALWAYS sent for comment and editing by people other than the author. Oh, and BTW you may criticise my research methodology but the results are there.

I am not Jenny but thank you for assuming that she and I were the same person. Jenny is obviously able to articulate the facts in a rational but clear manner. And she is correct-both about the report and ther need to put them out of business. I just worry about the experts who are not frauds,

Hey tell me Patti and Karen why are YOU still hanging around?
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#65 UPDATE EX-employee responds

And there is the proof that Janice never really leaves

AUTHOR: Patti - (U.S.A.)

The yappy little lapdog persona is in full swing. The one thread they all have is the victim thing.
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#66 Consumer Comment

Karen

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

You are so vindictive, vile and hostile. You constantly contradict yourself. You obviously thrive on anger and bitterness towards others. Really Karen, get another life and save everyone the agony of reading your posts.
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#67 Consumer Suggestion

Janice / Jackie

AUTHOR: Karen - (U.S.A.)

LOL. Have you ever heard of the movie sybil? Kind of reminds me of you!

Sybil told the story of a woman (later revealed to be Mason) who was treated for multiple personality disorder (now known as dissociative identity disorder) with up to 16 co-existing personalities. The book implied that Mason suffered from the condition as a result of severe sexual abuse at the hands of her mother, whom Schreiber speculated suffered from schizophrenia. The book was turned into a movie, starring Sally Field, in 1976
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#68 Consumer Comment

Karen - Why are you so angry and nasty?

AUTHOR: Jackie - (U.S.A.)

Karen - You keep coming on here ranting on about Janice. Every few posts you write, "this is all I am going to say on the subject to ANYONE!"

Then you write more! LOL. Really Karen, I don't understand why you're such a b***h. I am not Janice. She and I have clearly different writing styles.

I can spot your writing a mile away, because it is repeatedly nasty.

Yes, you are welcome to post as often as you like, since you don't seem to have a life. I don't care if you were or weren't talking to me. I was compelled to correct your illiterate use of "mute" when it should have been "moot." I wish someone would push the MUTE button on you.

I have seen a partial draft of what Janice has compiled. Believe me, I doubt she'd spend the time on a 500-page document for the fun of it. This is not going to be a book. It is a REPORT, most likely to be filed with various governmental agencies and media outlets, when the time is right.

I wholly support her efforts. It is high time that Kasamba/LivePerson pays the price for their deceptive and fraudulent business practices.

Karen, instead of bitching at Janice every two seconds, why don't you do something constructive? Janice is taking a stand on something she believes in. Why does that upset you so much?
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#69 Consumer Suggestion

No One

AUTHOR: Karen - (U.S.A.)

Jackie I am NOT talking to you! I will respond to ANYTHING I want to out here and if you and anyone else do not like it too bad for you. Your probably one of Janice's multi personality postings out here. So your posts to me are MUTE too!!



Ciao
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#70 Consumer Suggestion

No One

AUTHOR: Karen - (U.S.A.)

Jackie I am NOT talking to you! I will respond to ANYTHING I want to out here and if you and anyone else do not like it too bad for you. Your probably one of Janice's multi personality postings out here. So your posts to me are MUTE too!!



Ciao
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#71 Consumer Suggestion

No One

AUTHOR: Karen - (U.S.A.)

Jackie I am NOT talking to you! I will respond to ANYTHING I want to out here and if you and anyone else do not like it too bad for you. Your probably one of Janice's multi personality postings out here. So your posts to me are MUTE too!!



Ciao
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#72 Consumer Suggestion

No One

AUTHOR: Karen - (U.S.A.)

Jackie I am NOT talking to you! I will respond to ANYTHING I want to out here and if you and anyone else do not like it too bad for you. Your probably one of Janice's multi personality postings out here. So your posts to me are MUTE too!!



Ciao
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#73 Consumer Comment

Yes Jackie and No Jh

AUTHOR: Janice - (Australia)

No, it is not a book. It just kinds 'happened. Jackie is correct in my underestimation of time to get it finished.

However that is normal-projects always take three times as long as one imagines. Also, I need to demonstrate that the fraud continued after LP took over.

I am writing a book but it has nothing to do with psychics -it is on health. However, it has been put aside while I finish this report. I am a published academic and am well aware of the process involved in access and compiling research. I am looking forward to getting back to the book when all this is finished.
Let me make one thing clear. Once it is done I intend to move on-and walk away (I will ,of course keep the friends I have been privileged to make during this process).

I am taking some leave week after next and plan to spend 24/7 on getting the research finished.

I don't like reports in an almost finished state and besides, it is coldh and wet her...lol..

I have been ill as has my father and so I have not done much on it for a week. However, I have the best boss in the world and the determination to get it finished.

But right now I am about to attend the million paws walk to raise money for the RSPCA. :)
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#74 Consumer Comment

Is This a Book?

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I'm confused -- is Janice writing a book or an online book? Or will she just post this online?
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#75 Consumer Comment

Is This a Book?

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I'm confused -- is Janice writing a book or an online book? Or will she just post this online?
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#76 Consumer Comment

Is This a Book?

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I'm confused -- is Janice writing a book or an online book? Or will she just post this online?
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#77 Consumer Comment

Is This a Book?

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I'm confused -- is Janice writing a book or an online book? Or will she just post this online?
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#78 Consumer Comment

The mute button

AUTHOR: Jackie - (U.S.A.)

Karen, if Janice's points are "mute," then they are silent to you. Clearly if that were true, you wouldn't feel the need to repeatedly respond to her, sometimes with three responses to her one comment. I believe you meant to write, "Your points are MOOT to me, Janice." When something is moot, it means it is beside the point, or no longer relevant.

I have seen Janice's research. While it is not yet well-organized, it is voluminous and quite comprehensive. There are at least 500 pages of real research, page captures, transcripts, and evidence that LivePerson is in for a doozy of a ride. When all of this hits the fan and LivePerson is publicly exposed on a grand scale, you will see a house of cards tumble.

The sheer enormity of the report is most likely the reason for Janice's delays. The primary mistake she has made was underestimating how long it takes to compile this sort of thing, and thereby announcing it prematurely.

The one thing I agree with, Karen, is your concern that all of this effort will even change how LivePerson conducts its business. The only way to change their business is to put them OUT of business. Anything short of that will be unsuccessful.
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#79 Consumer Suggestion

Mute

AUTHOR: Karen - (U.S.A.)

Your points are mute to me Janice. What you are Janice is decietful! Not to be trusted and thats the bottom line. Yes, please surprise me with this research and how it changes how KASAMBA/LIVEPERSON CONDUCTS THIER BUSINESS!! You have posted under numerous names. Not only just AussieBoy. That shows deciet! Why bother being decietful? YES posting a OPEN group for ALL to view "evidence" IS A GOOD IDEA! If you had done that under the name Janice I would of congratulated you under that name also. So please with the BS. Just be Janice instead of ten other people out here. But in the meantime I am waiting to be surprised. I am actually WELCOMING it! I really am. So please get off the everyone is out to get me kick. If you do f**** up s*** you will be called on it by someone out here as well as anyone else who does. So, no you are no martyr, no savior, no rescuer. But yes, surprise me.


Thanks and this is all I am going to say on the subject to ANYONE!
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#80 Consumer Comment

I set Dr Love up

AUTHOR: Janice - (Australia)

I have it filed on my computer. Not only that but after I set him up I was suddenly blocked under the user same I used with him but not under a new user name. I have screenshots of experts blocking me under the name i used to set up Dr Love and then 2 minutes later when i relogged in with a new user name I was not blocked by these same experts. I have dated screenshots to prove it...me thinks he is 'speading the word, so to speak' about 'bad' clients.

However, 'sigh' I am used to it. I have been banned and blocked from LP more times than anyone realises...lol...

BTW Karen, you f&^%#$&, you have no idea what a report like this entails. Others have een it and you would have also if you hadn't been such a scumbag. But like, I don't trust you. However, I am looking forward to seeing the egg all over your face.

Honestly, you ask the most stupid questions....of course I need to change my user name to set these frauds up - like they don't read rOR and recogonise me...duhhhhh...your bias is morphing into extreme stupidity...you are worthless.
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#81 UPDATE EX-employee responds

yes

AUTHOR: Knowing - (U.S.A.)

I don't know where you got your info from Janice, but I used to be an expert at Kasamba (or LivePerson), until I began to see some unsavory behavior and dealings there that I did not wish to be associated with.
I know for a fact that Dr. Love has referred to clients as "stupid".
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#82 Consumer Comment

now isn't it just a little bit hypocritical

AUTHOR: Janice - (Australia)

I posted the Master Z scam on a website and you congratulaed me...of couse you didn't know at the time that is was me...lol..me thinks your bias is showing.

BTW as a result of those 'readings that I got I have a evidence of Dr Love referring to clients as stupid and insitiuting a mass block of the account I used bevause I questioned his honesty...mnnnn....but of course you could never see past you prejudices now could you Karen...

I will load the research on that website bit by bit soon...but of course according to you and Susan and Freya it doesn't exist...

You are all in for a bid surprise....
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#83 Consumer Suggestion

Good Idea JH

AUTHOR: Karen - (U.S.A.)

JH you have the right idea. Keep the information to yourself. Posting here and sharing your experience should be sufficient enough. It would not be a good idea to give your personal information or psychic information to certan people around here. Sometimes its just best to post and share and not align yourself with others outside of interacting on this site. Good Luck and be wise.
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#84 Consumer Comment

no problem Jh

AUTHOR: Janice - (Australia)

It is just a repository for information and there is no point in posting stuff unless you are sure. You can join and just look at the master z stuff if you like. That was the purpose of creating it. I am going to post the different profile shots used by powerful visions in the files section tonight including the copyrighted site from which she stole the photo and the response from LP support.
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#85 Consumer Comment

Am going to wait after all

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I am going to look at your group, Janice, but I'm now thinking it's best if I don't send out info or give impressions till I'm ready to review here. Just because I'm still very unsure of a few of the ones I spoke to and want to wait a bit more. I'm thinking it's best.

Just wanted to let you know so you're not waiting for me to email you!
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#86 Consumer Comment

You're Right, Lucy

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

You're very right, Lucy! In my case I had both -- some readers giving me specific info and dates, others being more vague. The funny thing is that of the three readers I felt really helped me and I'd return to in a heartbeat, two were slightly vague about coming events. But I felt like that was on purpose because it showed that things were up to ME (it's hard to explain). They also were the ones to tell me that I had choices and while things should probably go along a certain path OR paths (again, the personal choices thing), I had to watch out for some things and try some things.

I obviously came away most disappointed with the ones who said things like "this will happen by such and such time and such and such will happen..." They're so sure of things, too. A few were honest in saying that their timeframes weren't steadfast and it would happen "around that time", but still, the predictions didn't come to pass.

I'm going to look into that yahoo group this weekend. I don't really have anything written up, but I can show a list of names and some general takes on things. But honestly, I don't want to fully say "this is how I feel" about anyone for months yet....at least not for most of them! There were one or two who I felt negatively about (one was rude, another I think is a bit of a fake...maybe). But for the most part I do think that I got something from most of my readings even if most of them were wrong. And...I also got one hell of an education!
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#87 Consumer Comment

Understanding and learning

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

It's really a learning process. For clients to understand that psychics are not "God" and dont have all the answers, though some are highly gifted and have some of the answers. For clients to understand how spiritual readings work. Readers get visions, they may happen this May or June, or they may happen in May or June of 2020 - there is no definate time in the spiritual world.

And for readers to understand how clients interpret their readings. When a reader gives certain information about an event and it doesnt happen, they are naturally dissappointed. It's a shame Liveperson doesn't allow more time to rate as it would improve the accuracy of the rating system.

All in all, its a learning process. There needs to be a bit of compassion on both sides here.

An example. A highly recognised medium here in Australia told me about 30 years ago I would have 3 boys. 30 years later I have never had a boy but at this present time I have 3 overseas students living with me. They treat me like their mother and I treat them like they are "my boys". But they are not mine. So, she was right in one sense, but the facts are quite different.

It all comes down to interpretation and expectations.
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#88 Consumer Comment

Understanding and learning

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

It's really a learning process. For clients to understand that psychics are not "God" and dont have all the answers, though some are highly gifted and have some of the answers. For clients to understand how spiritual readings work. Readers get visions, they may happen this May or June, or they may happen in May or June of 2020 - there is no definate time in the spiritual world.

And for readers to understand how clients interpret their readings. When a reader gives certain information about an event and it doesnt happen, they are naturally dissappointed. It's a shame Liveperson doesn't allow more time to rate as it would improve the accuracy of the rating system.

All in all, its a learning process. There needs to be a bit of compassion on both sides here.

An example. A highly recognised medium here in Australia told me about 30 years ago I would have 3 boys. 30 years later I have never had a boy but at this present time I have 3 overseas students living with me. They treat me like their mother and I treat them like they are "my boys". But they are not mine. So, she was right in one sense, but the facts are quite different.

It all comes down to interpretation and expectations.
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#89 Consumer Comment

Understanding and learning

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

It's really a learning process. For clients to understand that psychics are not "God" and dont have all the answers, though some are highly gifted and have some of the answers. For clients to understand how spiritual readings work. Readers get visions, they may happen this May or June, or they may happen in May or June of 2020 - there is no definate time in the spiritual world.

And for readers to understand how clients interpret their readings. When a reader gives certain information about an event and it doesnt happen, they are naturally dissappointed. It's a shame Liveperson doesn't allow more time to rate as it would improve the accuracy of the rating system.

All in all, its a learning process. There needs to be a bit of compassion on both sides here.

An example. A highly recognised medium here in Australia told me about 30 years ago I would have 3 boys. 30 years later I have never had a boy but at this present time I have 3 overseas students living with me. They treat me like their mother and I treat them like they are "my boys". But they are not mine. So, she was right in one sense, but the facts are quite different.

It all comes down to interpretation and expectations.
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#90 Consumer Comment

Understanding and learning

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

It's really a learning process. For clients to understand that psychics are not "God" and dont have all the answers, though some are highly gifted and have some of the answers. For clients to understand how spiritual readings work. Readers get visions, they may happen this May or June, or they may happen in May or June of 2020 - there is no definate time in the spiritual world.

And for readers to understand how clients interpret their readings. When a reader gives certain information about an event and it doesnt happen, they are naturally dissappointed. It's a shame Liveperson doesn't allow more time to rate as it would improve the accuracy of the rating system.

All in all, its a learning process. There needs to be a bit of compassion on both sides here.

An example. A highly recognised medium here in Australia told me about 30 years ago I would have 3 boys. 30 years later I have never had a boy but at this present time I have 3 overseas students living with me. They treat me like their mother and I treat them like they are "my boys". But they are not mine. So, she was right in one sense, but the facts are quite different.

It all comes down to interpretation and expectations.
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#91 Consumer Comment

Jh - I know u are for real

AUTHOR: Janice - (Australia)

I got slammed and accused and vilified after I first posted. I DO have a report that is almost done (I had to update it after LP took over Kasamba). If you want to contact me and share your research (I will show you what I have written up) go to the 'weakguyonkasamba' yahoo group and join. I can then get your contact email. Just do a yahoo search for the group (it is spelt as one word - weakguyonkasamba).


honestly, don't worry about those idiots that attack you. They seem to get off on it which is really pathatic.
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#92 Consumer Suggestion

Geez, Patti!

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I am ONE person. I have had two months worth of Kasamba experiences, spent a fortune, and at this point I could write a book. I am now a week and a half into a broken heart that's full of worse pain than I could ever describe and has sent me to the brink (again, those past issues). I've shared experiences and yet now you think I've got multiple accounts? I only named the reader in my writeups, btw. I felt that most of her reading was advice, and what she said left me so in the dark and hopeless and made me feel like a freight train whizzed past my nose. Do you want the names of the others I mentioned or does that make me a fake with multiple accounts too?

Sometimes -- and this is a quirk -- but sometimes I write very formally on forums. And other times I write loosely. There's no rules with it with me -- just depends on my larger mood and what's going on with me at the time.

I live in NY -- not in Manhattan but a borough. I always check NY, NY for my logins, though as all of the boroughs are in NYC and I don't feel like narrowing my location so much on a public forum. My ex was in England, hence the distance issue mentioned in my first post. IF you'd like to check my Kasamba feedback then go look around for "guac" -- that's me. I've still got a few people and sessions to rate, but am waiting as long as I can, so the dates on my feedback do not match the dates of my readings. Some experts I may not rate at all as I'm not even sure what to say at this point. It's very confusing and most of the time now in my life is spent crying over what's happened to me recently. I'm here, however, as I felt this site has info that helped me, and I'd like to help others as well.

Do you want a list of who I spoke to on the site? It's sadly quite long, but seeing how you think I've got multiple accounts and am some expert with an ax to grind, then I'll happily go through my list and tell you who I saw. I do not want to go into my "ratings" for a long while yet, as I'd still like things to play out more not just to see who was right -- but to see who was very, very wrong.

I don't understand how you can be a reader, Patti, when you seem to have no emotions or empathy for anyone.
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#93 Consumer Comment

Once again

AUTHOR: Augusta - (U.S.A.)

For the client posters - thank you for sharing YOUR experience. Psychic readings (to me) go beyond the five senses and give you information that is hidden and of strong potential. If it is wrong and never pans out after several reads then I consider it a bad service worthy of refund. Perhaps even fraud. People do not go to psychics "addicted"....they get taken advantage of, sometimes subtly (by the readers who have no skill) and are led into what some call an addiction until they realize they were scammed. Nothing to be ashamed of. The readers are the sellers of the service - and are completely responsible for that service and should handle such a service with respect. Some do, but it is finding them among the self-deluded and scam artists that makes it difficult. If a reader provided a real service based on his/her talents which were honestly advertised - then you wouldnt need to go back much on the same issue. There would be no rip offs. no seeming addictions (which are part of the game of reeling in the money and blaming the client). I have had real readings that were honest - that time frames were told to be far out in the year so that there would be no confusion or need to go back and "check" ...or if it were near term then some of it manifested. No blocking when things seemed to be turning differently (red flag alert).
So again, I thank those who have shared their real experiences. It may save others from reaching for the wrong one to hire.
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#94 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Thank you Karen

AUTHOR: Patti - (U.S.A.)

Thank you for your kind words, Karen. I have been in the industry for many years. Cold readers are easier to spot face to face than they are on-line. I think that's why so many work the directories like Keen and Kasamba. In that respect, I support some of the efforts here. Sadly, most of the efforts, like those saying what a "real" psychic is and should be able to do, come off as manipulative, controlling and pure projection. It degrades the credibility of the efforts to achieve the stated goal into something so much more selfish.

Remember what I said about epic feedback? Well, I see Jh has begun the epic posts and taken on the writing style of another and has begun projecting what a real reader must do and go through if they are a "real" reader. So much for the benefit of the doubt. S/he too is one of multiple personalities/accounts. I had such high hopes she wasn't an expert or a former expert with an agenda. Dashed to bits!
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#95 Consumer Suggestion

I don't think that's it

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

It's not about not letting others have their say. I think this is all simply about people going to psychics who say they're real, and who (in most cases) have good feedback (and the feedback system is very flawed!).

You go for help, they give you their predictions and readings, and you expect that since this is their job, it will all happen. Especially if they've hit the nail on the head with personalities and the past/present situation.

When things happen later and you see that what you were told wasn't accurate or missed huge things, then it hurts. Or it makes you feel stupid, or it confuses you, or....many things! Most people only go for advice when they're in turmoil or having trouble in their lives. I doubt that many people just go for "what's next for me, I'm curious!" readings.

In my case I'll tell you that there was one VERY respected reader who gets RAVES from everyone. RAVES!!! I really liked him, too, so I'm just confused as hell over what happened.

He does long sessions which are not cheap. I was shocked by the cost as I didn't expect to be on that long, but he went on and had so much to say. Most was future based, but he did pick up current things. And he did tell me some random things that seemed plausible.

One of the things he told me about my mood lightening a bit the coming week sort of came true, but it was still shaky and up and down due to larger issues. But I DID feel different. Then he said a consultation would go in my favor. Well, the only consultation I had coming up was a medical one to fix something that had not worked right the last time. And so far that's been a success since it was done. So I thought okay, he's good.

Then he said there would be job changes in the coming months to do with the educational sector. Well, I have NO chance of changing jobs with what I do. It's very narrow a field. But my ex bf HAD been offered a job a month before this to do with training in his field. I thought maybe he would take that job or something similar. NOW in the present I know that that job offer went nowhere for my ex bf before February even ended (which was a week or two before I spoke to this reader), and he's not got any intentions of leaving his current job that I know of.

BUT! At the time I had this reading this all seemed like this reader was right on. And he had ALL this feedback saying his readings come true.

Five weeks after the first reading I did a follow up, as I had a feeling things should be turning soon (I just didn't realize it would turn the WRONG way!). This reader said many of the same things as the first reading (I don't think there was time to go back and look at transcripts - he was pretty fast). There was some "movement" in what he told me, so I was glad and felt that things hopefully would go back to normal soon.

The next day I spoke to my bf and and he was being very very strange. I had a feeling that he'd chickened out (there are reasons for this beyond just male cowardice! But I didn't think he would succumb and he always assured me that we were okay). I was filled with absolute shock and fear. He said he had to come back later as he had someplace to be. So I waited.

In the meantime, I saw this reader online and told him what happened and said that after the last night's reading, I wasn't sure that this was going to happen as he said and I was quite frightened. He assured me again that things would go as he said and there would be no breakups. He was absolutely sure he kept telling me. He said to write and tell him what happened after. I was told not to worry.

Well, I did worry as my stomach was in knots!!! And there was a breakup that came out of nowhere. And instead of my bf doing all the things this reader said he would and getting over the issues he'd been dealing with and giving me more cooperation, I got dumped.

I wrote the reader as he asked me to, and was devastated.

I never heard back.

He's been online most days since. After the third day seeing him online I realized I'd been either A) ripped off or B) he honestly saw good things in every reading and something just did not match reality!

Where that leaves me in light of what I said earlier? (and this is JUST taking this reader's readings into account!) It leaves me feeling so confused, as he seems an honest person, yet...he left me hanging. It leaves me feeling ripped off. It leaves me feeling confused and hopeless and like someone or fate is out to play a huge trick on me. That's how I felt as someone who was speaking to people who were wrong while vulnerable (and if you knew my past you'd understand why I was so fearful).

Now even the readers who have gotten things right with no info from me do get things wrong. And sometimes they slightly change things they say (which, since we ALL have free will, it makes sense). But when you have things happen like I did where you're worried of the past repeating itself and you're being told (very expensively!) that all will be okay and don't worry, well, you're left pretty devastated.

You want heads up, you're worried, you want info, you want to know what someone who's having difficulties is thinking....you're WORRIED. That's why you go.

Being a reader (an honest one) must drain you totally. And I think that if someone can't fully ground themselves they will screw up or become bitter or feel they've lost the gift for a bit. But that's really something the readers have to deal with if they really do have the talent they say.

For those of us coming for a service and for guidance and for some plain old help and another viewpoint (which I've gotten from some lovely people on Live Person), then that's all we want. That's it. I don't understand how someone could think people want more, and I'm not talking about ones who want love spells or whatever done! ;)
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#96 Consumer Suggestion

I don't think that's it

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

It's not about not letting others have their say. I think this is all simply about people going to psychics who say they're real, and who (in most cases) have good feedback (and the feedback system is very flawed!).

You go for help, they give you their predictions and readings, and you expect that since this is their job, it will all happen. Especially if they've hit the nail on the head with personalities and the past/present situation.

When things happen later and you see that what you were told wasn't accurate or missed huge things, then it hurts. Or it makes you feel stupid, or it confuses you, or....many things! Most people only go for advice when they're in turmoil or having trouble in their lives. I doubt that many people just go for "what's next for me, I'm curious!" readings.

In my case I'll tell you that there was one VERY respected reader who gets RAVES from everyone. RAVES!!! I really liked him, too, so I'm just confused as hell over what happened.

He does long sessions which are not cheap. I was shocked by the cost as I didn't expect to be on that long, but he went on and had so much to say. Most was future based, but he did pick up current things. And he did tell me some random things that seemed plausible.

One of the things he told me about my mood lightening a bit the coming week sort of came true, but it was still shaky and up and down due to larger issues. But I DID feel different. Then he said a consultation would go in my favor. Well, the only consultation I had coming up was a medical one to fix something that had not worked right the last time. And so far that's been a success since it was done. So I thought okay, he's good.

Then he said there would be job changes in the coming months to do with the educational sector. Well, I have NO chance of changing jobs with what I do. It's very narrow a field. But my ex bf HAD been offered a job a month before this to do with training in his field. I thought maybe he would take that job or something similar. NOW in the present I know that that job offer went nowhere for my ex bf before February even ended (which was a week or two before I spoke to this reader), and he's not got any intentions of leaving his current job that I know of.

BUT! At the time I had this reading this all seemed like this reader was right on. And he had ALL this feedback saying his readings come true.

Five weeks after the first reading I did a follow up, as I had a feeling things should be turning soon (I just didn't realize it would turn the WRONG way!). This reader said many of the same things as the first reading (I don't think there was time to go back and look at transcripts - he was pretty fast). There was some "movement" in what he told me, so I was glad and felt that things hopefully would go back to normal soon.

The next day I spoke to my bf and and he was being very very strange. I had a feeling that he'd chickened out (there are reasons for this beyond just male cowardice! But I didn't think he would succumb and he always assured me that we were okay). I was filled with absolute shock and fear. He said he had to come back later as he had someplace to be. So I waited.

In the meantime, I saw this reader online and told him what happened and said that after the last night's reading, I wasn't sure that this was going to happen as he said and I was quite frightened. He assured me again that things would go as he said and there would be no breakups. He was absolutely sure he kept telling me. He said to write and tell him what happened after. I was told not to worry.

Well, I did worry as my stomach was in knots!!! And there was a breakup that came out of nowhere. And instead of my bf doing all the things this reader said he would and getting over the issues he'd been dealing with and giving me more cooperation, I got dumped.

I wrote the reader as he asked me to, and was devastated.

I never heard back.

He's been online most days since. After the third day seeing him online I realized I'd been either A) ripped off or B) he honestly saw good things in every reading and something just did not match reality!

Where that leaves me in light of what I said earlier? (and this is JUST taking this reader's readings into account!) It leaves me feeling so confused, as he seems an honest person, yet...he left me hanging. It leaves me feeling ripped off. It leaves me feeling confused and hopeless and like someone or fate is out to play a huge trick on me. That's how I felt as someone who was speaking to people who were wrong while vulnerable (and if you knew my past you'd understand why I was so fearful).

Now even the readers who have gotten things right with no info from me do get things wrong. And sometimes they slightly change things they say (which, since we ALL have free will, it makes sense). But when you have things happen like I did where you're worried of the past repeating itself and you're being told (very expensively!) that all will be okay and don't worry, well, you're left pretty devastated.

You want heads up, you're worried, you want info, you want to know what someone who's having difficulties is thinking....you're WORRIED. That's why you go.

Being a reader (an honest one) must drain you totally. And I think that if someone can't fully ground themselves they will screw up or become bitter or feel they've lost the gift for a bit. But that's really something the readers have to deal with if they really do have the talent they say.

For those of us coming for a service and for guidance and for some plain old help and another viewpoint (which I've gotten from some lovely people on Live Person), then that's all we want. That's it. I don't understand how someone could think people want more, and I'm not talking about ones who want love spells or whatever done! ;)
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#97 Consumer Suggestion

I don't think that's it

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

It's not about not letting others have their say. I think this is all simply about people going to psychics who say they're real, and who (in most cases) have good feedback (and the feedback system is very flawed!).

You go for help, they give you their predictions and readings, and you expect that since this is their job, it will all happen. Especially if they've hit the nail on the head with personalities and the past/present situation.

When things happen later and you see that what you were told wasn't accurate or missed huge things, then it hurts. Or it makes you feel stupid, or it confuses you, or....many things! Most people only go for advice when they're in turmoil or having trouble in their lives. I doubt that many people just go for "what's next for me, I'm curious!" readings.

In my case I'll tell you that there was one VERY respected reader who gets RAVES from everyone. RAVES!!! I really liked him, too, so I'm just confused as hell over what happened.

He does long sessions which are not cheap. I was shocked by the cost as I didn't expect to be on that long, but he went on and had so much to say. Most was future based, but he did pick up current things. And he did tell me some random things that seemed plausible.

One of the things he told me about my mood lightening a bit the coming week sort of came true, but it was still shaky and up and down due to larger issues. But I DID feel different. Then he said a consultation would go in my favor. Well, the only consultation I had coming up was a medical one to fix something that had not worked right the last time. And so far that's been a success since it was done. So I thought okay, he's good.

Then he said there would be job changes in the coming months to do with the educational sector. Well, I have NO chance of changing jobs with what I do. It's very narrow a field. But my ex bf HAD been offered a job a month before this to do with training in his field. I thought maybe he would take that job or something similar. NOW in the present I know that that job offer went nowhere for my ex bf before February even ended (which was a week or two before I spoke to this reader), and he's not got any intentions of leaving his current job that I know of.

BUT! At the time I had this reading this all seemed like this reader was right on. And he had ALL this feedback saying his readings come true.

Five weeks after the first reading I did a follow up, as I had a feeling things should be turning soon (I just didn't realize it would turn the WRONG way!). This reader said many of the same things as the first reading (I don't think there was time to go back and look at transcripts - he was pretty fast). There was some "movement" in what he told me, so I was glad and felt that things hopefully would go back to normal soon.

The next day I spoke to my bf and and he was being very very strange. I had a feeling that he'd chickened out (there are reasons for this beyond just male cowardice! But I didn't think he would succumb and he always assured me that we were okay). I was filled with absolute shock and fear. He said he had to come back later as he had someplace to be. So I waited.

In the meantime, I saw this reader online and told him what happened and said that after the last night's reading, I wasn't sure that this was going to happen as he said and I was quite frightened. He assured me again that things would go as he said and there would be no breakups. He was absolutely sure he kept telling me. He said to write and tell him what happened after. I was told not to worry.

Well, I did worry as my stomach was in knots!!! And there was a breakup that came out of nowhere. And instead of my bf doing all the things this reader said he would and getting over the issues he'd been dealing with and giving me more cooperation, I got dumped.

I wrote the reader as he asked me to, and was devastated.

I never heard back.

He's been online most days since. After the third day seeing him online I realized I'd been either A) ripped off or B) he honestly saw good things in every reading and something just did not match reality!

Where that leaves me in light of what I said earlier? (and this is JUST taking this reader's readings into account!) It leaves me feeling so confused, as he seems an honest person, yet...he left me hanging. It leaves me feeling ripped off. It leaves me feeling confused and hopeless and like someone or fate is out to play a huge trick on me. That's how I felt as someone who was speaking to people who were wrong while vulnerable (and if you knew my past you'd understand why I was so fearful).

Now even the readers who have gotten things right with no info from me do get things wrong. And sometimes they slightly change things they say (which, since we ALL have free will, it makes sense). But when you have things happen like I did where you're worried of the past repeating itself and you're being told (very expensively!) that all will be okay and don't worry, well, you're left pretty devastated.

You want heads up, you're worried, you want info, you want to know what someone who's having difficulties is thinking....you're WORRIED. That's why you go.

Being a reader (an honest one) must drain you totally. And I think that if someone can't fully ground themselves they will screw up or become bitter or feel they've lost the gift for a bit. But that's really something the readers have to deal with if they really do have the talent they say.

For those of us coming for a service and for guidance and for some plain old help and another viewpoint (which I've gotten from some lovely people on Live Person), then that's all we want. That's it. I don't understand how someone could think people want more, and I'm not talking about ones who want love spells or whatever done! ;)
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#98 Consumer Suggestion

I don't think that's it

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

It's not about not letting others have their say. I think this is all simply about people going to psychics who say they're real, and who (in most cases) have good feedback (and the feedback system is very flawed!).

You go for help, they give you their predictions and readings, and you expect that since this is their job, it will all happen. Especially if they've hit the nail on the head with personalities and the past/present situation.

When things happen later and you see that what you were told wasn't accurate or missed huge things, then it hurts. Or it makes you feel stupid, or it confuses you, or....many things! Most people only go for advice when they're in turmoil or having trouble in their lives. I doubt that many people just go for "what's next for me, I'm curious!" readings.

In my case I'll tell you that there was one VERY respected reader who gets RAVES from everyone. RAVES!!! I really liked him, too, so I'm just confused as hell over what happened.

He does long sessions which are not cheap. I was shocked by the cost as I didn't expect to be on that long, but he went on and had so much to say. Most was future based, but he did pick up current things. And he did tell me some random things that seemed plausible.

One of the things he told me about my mood lightening a bit the coming week sort of came true, but it was still shaky and up and down due to larger issues. But I DID feel different. Then he said a consultation would go in my favor. Well, the only consultation I had coming up was a medical one to fix something that had not worked right the last time. And so far that's been a success since it was done. So I thought okay, he's good.

Then he said there would be job changes in the coming months to do with the educational sector. Well, I have NO chance of changing jobs with what I do. It's very narrow a field. But my ex bf HAD been offered a job a month before this to do with training in his field. I thought maybe he would take that job or something similar. NOW in the present I know that that job offer went nowhere for my ex bf before February even ended (which was a week or two before I spoke to this reader), and he's not got any intentions of leaving his current job that I know of.

BUT! At the time I had this reading this all seemed like this reader was right on. And he had ALL this feedback saying his readings come true.

Five weeks after the first reading I did a follow up, as I had a feeling things should be turning soon (I just didn't realize it would turn the WRONG way!). This reader said many of the same things as the first reading (I don't think there was time to go back and look at transcripts - he was pretty fast). There was some "movement" in what he told me, so I was glad and felt that things hopefully would go back to normal soon.

The next day I spoke to my bf and and he was being very very strange. I had a feeling that he'd chickened out (there are reasons for this beyond just male cowardice! But I didn't think he would succumb and he always assured me that we were okay). I was filled with absolute shock and fear. He said he had to come back later as he had someplace to be. So I waited.

In the meantime, I saw this reader online and told him what happened and said that after the last night's reading, I wasn't sure that this was going to happen as he said and I was quite frightened. He assured me again that things would go as he said and there would be no breakups. He was absolutely sure he kept telling me. He said to write and tell him what happened after. I was told not to worry.

Well, I did worry as my stomach was in knots!!! And there was a breakup that came out of nowhere. And instead of my bf doing all the things this reader said he would and getting over the issues he'd been dealing with and giving me more cooperation, I got dumped.

I wrote the reader as he asked me to, and was devastated.

I never heard back.

He's been online most days since. After the third day seeing him online I realized I'd been either A) ripped off or B) he honestly saw good things in every reading and something just did not match reality!

Where that leaves me in light of what I said earlier? (and this is JUST taking this reader's readings into account!) It leaves me feeling so confused, as he seems an honest person, yet...he left me hanging. It leaves me feeling ripped off. It leaves me feeling confused and hopeless and like someone or fate is out to play a huge trick on me. That's how I felt as someone who was speaking to people who were wrong while vulnerable (and if you knew my past you'd understand why I was so fearful).

Now even the readers who have gotten things right with no info from me do get things wrong. And sometimes they slightly change things they say (which, since we ALL have free will, it makes sense). But when you have things happen like I did where you're worried of the past repeating itself and you're being told (very expensively!) that all will be okay and don't worry, well, you're left pretty devastated.

You want heads up, you're worried, you want info, you want to know what someone who's having difficulties is thinking....you're WORRIED. That's why you go.

Being a reader (an honest one) must drain you totally. And I think that if someone can't fully ground themselves they will screw up or become bitter or feel they've lost the gift for a bit. But that's really something the readers have to deal with if they really do have the talent they say.

For those of us coming for a service and for guidance and for some plain old help and another viewpoint (which I've gotten from some lovely people on Live Person), then that's all we want. That's it. I don't understand how someone could think people want more, and I'm not talking about ones who want love spells or whatever done! ;)
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#99 Consumer Suggestion

Patti

AUTHOR: Karen - (U.S.A.)

Patti you gave some very good advice. You were honest and some of us appreciate that. All readers are not bad. I feel when a reader is offering advice or constructive criticism it should be taken as just that. Your spirit is in the right place and you had the sense to get out of that group and the kasamba sight when you realized how awful it was. When it started messing with your good spirit. Some ignore those very important signs and get caught up in the gain of finance. Reading some of these posts in regard to experiences with readers, it seems to me that the readers are doing alot of guessing when it comes to relationship reads.

That most likely is from two things. They are fraud cold readers and using psychology and advice, or they hear the same questions repeated day after day, hour after hour so much to the point that they have just shut down and cannot look at these things anymore. That would be called burnout. When you get like that its probably best to take a breather and let your mind regroup. Many do not do this I would suspect because of the lure of money. Too much dependance on the money they make from that site. Yes, its bad.

I am glad to hear clients taking personal responsiblity for their actions when dealing with that site. They recognized their addiction. Took awhile but at least they recognize it. Some never do. When you are in a weak emotional state mulitiple readers can become some kind of release. A stimulation of the endorphines in the brain. After awhile it becomes overload. As long as there is a booming psychic reading business you best believe there will be a influx of frauds standing in line waiting to take your money. Its one of the oldest scams in the world. Clients have to educate themselves on how the fakes work and learn to recognize when they are being snowed. When your emotional vulnerable this is when you are at your weakest. There will always be gulliable emotional clients and greedy psychic fakes. The key is education.

Good luck Patti, thanks again for sharing.
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#100 UPDATE EX-employee responds

It is relevant

AUTHOR: Patti - (U.S.A.)

It is relevant because it serves to show that people here are not who they say they are. And you, S, are not who you say you are.

Someone saying they live in London, Europe is clearly not from where they say they are. People who have made accounts know it's a simple process. I'm just pointing out what any thinking person would see. Using the excuse of a confusing process just doesn't wash.

It's very easy to see who has multiple accounts here. Accusations with no proof are another way of targeting people who are above you in the ratings or hold up a mirror with a reflection that is more than a little too glaring.

This is why none of you can let anyone have an opposing viewpoint. This is why none of you can find any balance in this. You're all too insecure to let another person have their say.
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#101 Consumer Comment

Your right JH.......

AUTHOR: S - (United Kingdom)

UK being in Europe or on the moon is irrelevant to these posts and threads...which is the point. This is what happens here, fake psychics try to detract away from the issues as it suits them, flailing about grabbing at anything to undermine clients who have been ripped off.

Patti - I was not trying to manipulate you or anyone else. I have no "tatics". Just merely commenting on your use of the word "busted" when you referred to what part of this world I come from, and the fact that you felt that you needed to comment on where in this world of ours I come from.

You will not turn this on its head. However, this is the last word I will be saying on this totally irrelevant subject.

Have a good day.
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#102 Consumer Suggestion

Europe

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I have a great number of friends in the UK and they know they're European of course. But their reaction to what they're called seems to depend on their own personal views. It's not that big a deal. The only friends over there that ever got really annoyed at it were ones who hated the EU and possible British use of the Euro.

It's one of those "down to the person" things and I don't think it's something that's even an issue for what we're discussing :)

BTW, thanks to you two for the clarification of the name thing. I had wondered about it. Some remembered my name and my bf's name right off the bat, some just mine. But I did wonder.
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#103 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Jh

AUTHOR: Patti - (U.S.A.)

When I worked on Kasamba only the name chosen by the client and the client id showed. I don't know if the new company changed anything.

S, by virtue of your response I would say it is I who got under your skin. I stated that no one I knew from England claimed to be part of Europe. They specified they were from the United Kingdom and corrected people who said England was in Europe. Putting words into someone else's mouth was never a good tactic. It is sophomoric and easily spotted as manipulation.
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#104 Consumer Comment

Jh they can see your Id number and any screennames that you use

AUTHOR: Janice - (Australia)

But honestly, I don't think that should be held against them. I know it is a fine line but unless the expert is sharing client information (which does happen among SOME) just knowing your name is not a problem.

The problem is the Liveperson/Kasamba system. It is evn more orientated to promoting and protecting the frauds than it was before the aquisition. Their system not only disadvantages clients but the legitimate experts.
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#105 Consumer Comment

LOL Patti.......

AUTHOR: S - (United Kingdom)

Your opinion is not wanted or needed for clients wanting psychic services. Just the information from spirit, angels, energy or what ever will do. You are very arrogant to think that your opinion is wanted or needed by strangers. That is not to say real pyschics are "mindless vessels" as you so elequently put it, but simply humble people blessed with a gift.

You are not one of them.

Erm, UK is in Europe! If you don't know that then you should get back to school.

Busted???! I am not a fake scamming psychic...so I don't think so. But its nice to see that I got under your skin:)
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#106 Consumer Suggestion

Wow

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

Janice, I think that's a great thing you're doing, and I am looking forward to seeing it. I'm still unsure of what my experiences there really "are" in the long run. My jury's still out. I had some great experiences and some odd ones, and the one really hurtful one where I felt like a train whizzed past my face at 100mph. I also had a rude experiences or two where I don't get how the readers have this great "he/she's so kind and caring!" feedback.

I also have seen some of the same names on feedbacks between readers, and while it seems that they are real people, for some of the names I did get a weird feeling that they may be faked feedback. Just some patterns with some readers where something seemed odd.

I've said before that I think most of who I spoke to are kind, caring people, and even if they're wrong....they really are good people. Not all of who I spoke to, but... ;)

For Patti -- thank you for the background info. May I ask something that I'd wondered about? When a client contacts you, does only their ID pop up, or does their real name pop up? I had a few readers who remembered my name and they were very nice people and had spot on insights about the background and people involved. They were also very genuine. But I wondered if they remembered my name on their own or if Live Person's setup gives it to them?
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#107 Consumer Comment

No Jh, it is not backed by anyone

AUTHOR: Janice - (Australia)

I had some bad experiences with readers and posted on this site to warn people and I guess just to articulate my experiences. One things led to another and I started compling the research. I do that for a living and it comes easy to me.

Given that the company has terms of service that supposedly abdicate their responsibility and the fact that until Octover they were governed by Israeli laws I started looking at ways in which the company itself supported the fraud.

As you can imagine this has taken some time for a number of reasons including the time needed to document the fraud after the changeover and my job and life which is busy.

I am about three quarters through editing the final draft. These things take time-a fact that appears to be lost on my critics.

I didn't intend to do this, it just kind of happened. It has been an interesting process. I know there are frauds but I also know there are legitimate readers.

Also the fraud is not limited to the spirituality and religion section.

I have sent the report to some people for comment and it will be finished when it is finished. I can't work any harder or faster othan I am at the moment as I have a clinical studies that take up a fair bit of time. However, it is slowly taking shape.

I can now prove that the company knows about and supports fraud and false advertising as well as other practices that are dangerous to the health and well-being of clients.

You know for a long while I found it fascinating but now I just want to get it finished and walk away. I have other things I want to do with my time. I had started a book before all of this (not on this subject) and that has been put aside. I am committed to finishing it and disseminating the information. I honestly cannot tell you how long it will take but I am on the home stretch in the editing.

I will keep you posted.
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#108 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Jh

AUTHOR: Patti - (U.S.A.)

It is fascinating. Almost like watching a train wreck in slow motion. You can see the disaster coming, but you can't tear yourself away.

I read on Kasamba years ago. I doubt my profile still exists. We moved away from my private clientele base because of my husband's job and a friend suggested Kasamba. After I did some readings I was invited to join an MSN Message board called Experts At Kasamba or EAK. On this board was the most amazing amount of manipulative controlling behavior I had ever seen. It proved to me that the anonymous nature of being on-line showed what people were really like. Also on this board they had a section where people could list clients who rated poorly. Ostensibly it was supposed to be a list to warn readers about fraud clients who had bad credit cards, but it wasn't. It was about who rated well and who didn't.

Fortunately I found a community of healers and spiritually minded people fairly soon after moving and was able to leave on-line readings far behind. I found Kasamba on ROR by accident while I was looking to see complaints on another company. I am reminded of the old EAK board when I read it. A complete freeforall of people trying to gain control and manipulate others.

It appears that Jen of Corpus Christie knows all about the MSN message boards and who is in the community. I believe the old EAK board is done and two or three more took its place as the group splintered. Perhaps she can share who is listed on the member directory of the board she refers to. I'm sure Janice would be pleased as punch if she did.
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#109 Consumer Suggestion

Question for Janice

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

May I ask what kind of project you're working on that you're doing all of this research? Is it backed by someone or just something you're working on yourself?

Part of me is simply fascinated by the whole who's real/who's fake thing. Not just because I'm unsure of a few myself, but I find this whole thing fascinating. There's a yahoogroup with some info on fakes and such, and while the group has no activity, I find the amount of research and detective work involved in compiling such a list to be a massive (and expensive!) undertaking that's a great service to others. Well, a service to others as long as no one is falsely accused of being a fake or scammer!
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#110 UPDATE Employee

Kasamba LivePerson -- Patti where so you get your information?

AUTHOR: Jen - (U.S.A.)

This is the 2nd time you made the wrong assumptions about who belongs to the KU expert's group ......... do you really believe none of those on Alice's list are members of KU? I counted 8.
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#111 Consumer Suggestion

Did I read wrong? (I know I did)

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

Wait... Now I've heard there's a list of Live Person readers who people think are fakes. Does that exist?

And... I misread what Patti said. I realize now that she was saying that experts have a clients to block (?) list on an MSN Group?

Wow.
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#112 Consumer Suggestion

Actually :)

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

Actually, for Patti -- I didn't even remember that you said that about having readings for yourself. It's actually something I did for me. Not being snarky to you, it's just what I did.

I also found the Ripoff Report on my own as early on I was trying to check up on people to try and see if they were legit or not and what was said off of Live Person. It's surprising to see who does and doesn't have any mention of themselves off of the Live Person site.

I'm guessing this list is on msn groups, but have not found it. I'm very intrigued! Is it a bit of an underground thing, or can someone post the url here? I tried to start a list of who I spoke to today, just to keep for when I'm ready to fill it out more, but I think it's too soon and I really do think that most of the people there (save for a few!) were honest.

In the meantime, I wrote to Live Person to remove my cards from the site. I love how they make you write them to get this done rather than being able to do it yourself :(

For Augusta, in my situation the 2 months actually seemed like a long time frame to me! Just because of other things going on that made the 2 months seem so unnecessary, but it was out of my control and due to things that yes, these readers did pick up on. I've said it before, but most were wonderful and they did pick up on things. The outcome...? Well, that's another story right now! But most did pick things up well.

With my reading the other night, I did say that I felt that I needed to not bother with my bf anymore, etc., and I had to move on. But at no point did I say anything about wanting another. I did say if romance came up in the reading, that was always good. But I was pretty adamant about how this thing that happened to me was still new and I had a long way to go and really felt I should not consider anything hopeful. But the reader saw the "other option" (the ones other readers saw) without any prompting whatsoever. I was shocked when she said it! She did seem to think that if I could put up with my bf when he was ready and while he went through more garbage that it would work out very well one day. But I would have to be strong. She also clarified some things for me by email. Whether any of this happened, this woman really was picking up on things without prompting and she was clear, orderly, concise, etc. I don't know if she'd want to be named yet, as I did tell her I did plan to review people one day here, but as I said, even if none of this came to pass, I did not have to tell her a thing and she was off and running. And she saw something in particular that no one else saw (which was kind of big!).
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#113 Consumer Suggestion

Actually :)

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

Actually, for Patti -- I didn't even remember that you said that about having readings for yourself. It's actually something I did for me. Not being snarky to you, it's just what I did.

I also found the Ripoff Report on my own as early on I was trying to check up on people to try and see if they were legit or not and what was said off of Live Person. It's surprising to see who does and doesn't have any mention of themselves off of the Live Person site.

I'm guessing this list is on msn groups, but have not found it. I'm very intrigued! Is it a bit of an underground thing, or can someone post the url here? I tried to start a list of who I spoke to today, just to keep for when I'm ready to fill it out more, but I think it's too soon and I really do think that most of the people there (save for a few!) were honest.

In the meantime, I wrote to Live Person to remove my cards from the site. I love how they make you write them to get this done rather than being able to do it yourself :(

For Augusta, in my situation the 2 months actually seemed like a long time frame to me! Just because of other things going on that made the 2 months seem so unnecessary, but it was out of my control and due to things that yes, these readers did pick up on. I've said it before, but most were wonderful and they did pick up on things. The outcome...? Well, that's another story right now! But most did pick things up well.

With my reading the other night, I did say that I felt that I needed to not bother with my bf anymore, etc., and I had to move on. But at no point did I say anything about wanting another. I did say if romance came up in the reading, that was always good. But I was pretty adamant about how this thing that happened to me was still new and I had a long way to go and really felt I should not consider anything hopeful. But the reader saw the "other option" (the ones other readers saw) without any prompting whatsoever. I was shocked when she said it! She did seem to think that if I could put up with my bf when he was ready and while he went through more garbage that it would work out very well one day. But I would have to be strong. She also clarified some things for me by email. Whether any of this happened, this woman really was picking up on things without prompting and she was clear, orderly, concise, etc. I don't know if she'd want to be named yet, as I did tell her I did plan to review people one day here, but as I said, even if none of this came to pass, I did not have to tell her a thing and she was off and running. And she saw something in particular that no one else saw (which was kind of big!).
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#114 Consumer Suggestion

Actually :)

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

Actually, for Patti -- I didn't even remember that you said that about having readings for yourself. It's actually something I did for me. Not being snarky to you, it's just what I did.

I also found the Ripoff Report on my own as early on I was trying to check up on people to try and see if they were legit or not and what was said off of Live Person. It's surprising to see who does and doesn't have any mention of themselves off of the Live Person site.

I'm guessing this list is on msn groups, but have not found it. I'm very intrigued! Is it a bit of an underground thing, or can someone post the url here? I tried to start a list of who I spoke to today, just to keep for when I'm ready to fill it out more, but I think it's too soon and I really do think that most of the people there (save for a few!) were honest.

In the meantime, I wrote to Live Person to remove my cards from the site. I love how they make you write them to get this done rather than being able to do it yourself :(

For Augusta, in my situation the 2 months actually seemed like a long time frame to me! Just because of other things going on that made the 2 months seem so unnecessary, but it was out of my control and due to things that yes, these readers did pick up on. I've said it before, but most were wonderful and they did pick up on things. The outcome...? Well, that's another story right now! But most did pick things up well.

With my reading the other night, I did say that I felt that I needed to not bother with my bf anymore, etc., and I had to move on. But at no point did I say anything about wanting another. I did say if romance came up in the reading, that was always good. But I was pretty adamant about how this thing that happened to me was still new and I had a long way to go and really felt I should not consider anything hopeful. But the reader saw the "other option" (the ones other readers saw) without any prompting whatsoever. I was shocked when she said it! She did seem to think that if I could put up with my bf when he was ready and while he went through more garbage that it would work out very well one day. But I would have to be strong. She also clarified some things for me by email. Whether any of this happened, this woman really was picking up on things without prompting and she was clear, orderly, concise, etc. I don't know if she'd want to be named yet, as I did tell her I did plan to review people one day here, but as I said, even if none of this came to pass, I did not have to tell her a thing and she was off and running. And she saw something in particular that no one else saw (which was kind of big!).
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#115 Consumer Suggestion

Actually :)

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

Actually, for Patti -- I didn't even remember that you said that about having readings for yourself. It's actually something I did for me. Not being snarky to you, it's just what I did.

I also found the Ripoff Report on my own as early on I was trying to check up on people to try and see if they were legit or not and what was said off of Live Person. It's surprising to see who does and doesn't have any mention of themselves off of the Live Person site.

I'm guessing this list is on msn groups, but have not found it. I'm very intrigued! Is it a bit of an underground thing, or can someone post the url here? I tried to start a list of who I spoke to today, just to keep for when I'm ready to fill it out more, but I think it's too soon and I really do think that most of the people there (save for a few!) were honest.

In the meantime, I wrote to Live Person to remove my cards from the site. I love how they make you write them to get this done rather than being able to do it yourself :(

For Augusta, in my situation the 2 months actually seemed like a long time frame to me! Just because of other things going on that made the 2 months seem so unnecessary, but it was out of my control and due to things that yes, these readers did pick up on. I've said it before, but most were wonderful and they did pick up on things. The outcome...? Well, that's another story right now! But most did pick things up well.

With my reading the other night, I did say that I felt that I needed to not bother with my bf anymore, etc., and I had to move on. But at no point did I say anything about wanting another. I did say if romance came up in the reading, that was always good. But I was pretty adamant about how this thing that happened to me was still new and I had a long way to go and really felt I should not consider anything hopeful. But the reader saw the "other option" (the ones other readers saw) without any prompting whatsoever. I was shocked when she said it! She did seem to think that if I could put up with my bf when he was ready and while he went through more garbage that it would work out very well one day. But I would have to be strong. She also clarified some things for me by email. Whether any of this happened, this woman really was picking up on things without prompting and she was clear, orderly, concise, etc. I don't know if she'd want to be named yet, as I did tell her I did plan to review people one day here, but as I said, even if none of this came to pass, I did not have to tell her a thing and she was off and running. And she saw something in particular that no one else saw (which was kind of big!).
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#116 Consumer Comment

There is a difference between being a fraud and being wrong

AUTHOR: Janice - (Australia)

Patti, your posts really do read as those you look down upon clients. A lot of clients post here because they have been financially and emotionally drained and want to warn others. They are already feeling bad and it is not fair (and I am not just referring to you) to be judgemental. As a person who has been continually slammed since I first posted my list almost a year ago I can tell you it is not fun to be in that position. I know how Jh feels-a lot of us do.

I appreciate that you recognise that that I think SOME (admittedly many) of the psychics on Liveperson are frauds and, moreover, use a range of methods to fleece clients. But they are not all bent. They may not be correct but that doesn't make them a fraus UNLESS they purport to be correct on their advertising.

A long time ago I went to see someone who accurately predicted my life path. I still remember that reading because I moved states not long after and the reader had said I would live with someone who had rebuilt after a fire and that is exactly what happened. Her long term predictions panned out also. The thing is I remembered the reading because I was so shocked about the initial prediction. The point is I know that true psychic ability exists. I have no wish to compromise the ability of those who are gifted. I would NEVER do that - it is just plain wrong. However, frauds are open season.

As I said in previous posts, recently I have had readings under different (and new) logins and complained about frauds and been kicked out of the company many times. I have also found honest readers. This has been important to me in terms of how to approach dissemination of the research. Believe me it seems like I have been doing it forever, but everything is updated to reflect the change in company ownership and i plan to release it to coincide with the company advertising campaign mid year.

BTW S does live in the UK, I think the sign up process here is strange (correct me if I am wrong) but last time I was up that way the common market had integrated the UK into the European economic sphere. Anyway, surely it doesn't matter what a person puts on their login. After someone published confidential information about me I would be advising people to NOT put their correct details.

The idiot who put my details on the reports got only about half right and even contradicted basic details, for example, she referred to a job that I left in 2001. Interestingly, she said I had been "begging her for readings". Yet I hadn't used my own login for many months. I had created new accounts under fictitious names to set up frauds. So clearly she had some information about me, albeit much of it was contradictory as is the case when someone gets half the story and is clearly not the brightest spark in the engine. This person stated she was an expert, yet put confidential information about a client in the public domain. So yes, of course the frauds share information..."sigh"..we have a lot of proof about this.

There is even a new website called Expert Junction which I know little about but if i understand the aim correctly (and I might be wrong-or just too suspicious) is planning to compile clients details and sell them for a fee. As I said, I am not sure about the aim or capabilities of this particular website but it sounds a bit suss to me, especially since many Liveperson experts have signed up.

Liveperson/Kasamba says that they only investigate when the sharing of information occurs on the Kasamba platform. There are two issues with this approach. Firstly, their advertising states it is a secure anonymous service. Secondly, they do not take action when experts discuss clients on the Kasamba platform. Just have a look at the experts' forums for examples. In short they lie to clients about this and many other issues.

I am just updating that part of the research actually. It is a long slog but those who have seen the finished product think that I have covered it all and importantly updated the research to reflect that the fraud is supported by the company and continued after Liveperson took ownership.
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#117 Consumer Comment

Jh

AUTHOR: Augusta - (U.S.A.)

I can understand you wanting to wait longer to see. However if the situation is sort of chaotic, up/down etc ...I am surprised you were given such a short timeframe of two months from most readers. But that has happened to me also. I can assure you some of us have had two years pass and nothing of the sort predicted panned out in the least. And for some, the opposite happened. So your best bet for now is not to get anymore reads for awhile and see and continue to live your life. Sometimes short timeframes are given, and give hope, and then it acts as a catalyst for a client to keep going back to see if it still is going to happen when it is apparent it has not happened. So be careful of that ploy...

When you got the read on yourself - did you mention you were "moving on" thereby giving that info that there was another on your mind?
I also have gotten reads on just myself and my path - and they were still completely wrong (with one or two exceptions). So again - take time for yourself and don't spend anymore money there for now (if you want to take this advice of course!!! LOL) I just feel bad to see people who are seeking answers be taken for a ride......especially in this economy!
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#118 Consumer Comment

Jh

AUTHOR: Augusta - (U.S.A.)

I can understand you wanting to wait longer to see. However if the situation is sort of chaotic, up/down etc ...I am surprised you were given such a short timeframe of two months from most readers. But that has happened to me also. I can assure you some of us have had two years pass and nothing of the sort predicted panned out in the least. And for some, the opposite happened. So your best bet for now is not to get anymore reads for awhile and see and continue to live your life. Sometimes short timeframes are given, and give hope, and then it acts as a catalyst for a client to keep going back to see if it still is going to happen when it is apparent it has not happened. So be careful of that ploy...

When you got the read on yourself - did you mention you were "moving on" thereby giving that info that there was another on your mind?
I also have gotten reads on just myself and my path - and they were still completely wrong (with one or two exceptions). So again - take time for yourself and don't spend anymore money there for now (if you want to take this advice of course!!! LOL) I just feel bad to see people who are seeking answers be taken for a ride......especially in this economy!
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#119 Consumer Comment

Jh

AUTHOR: Augusta - (U.S.A.)

I can understand you wanting to wait longer to see. However if the situation is sort of chaotic, up/down etc ...I am surprised you were given such a short timeframe of two months from most readers. But that has happened to me also. I can assure you some of us have had two years pass and nothing of the sort predicted panned out in the least. And for some, the opposite happened. So your best bet for now is not to get anymore reads for awhile and see and continue to live your life. Sometimes short timeframes are given, and give hope, and then it acts as a catalyst for a client to keep going back to see if it still is going to happen when it is apparent it has not happened. So be careful of that ploy...

When you got the read on yourself - did you mention you were "moving on" thereby giving that info that there was another on your mind?
I also have gotten reads on just myself and my path - and they were still completely wrong (with one or two exceptions). So again - take time for yourself and don't spend anymore money there for now (if you want to take this advice of course!!! LOL) I just feel bad to see people who are seeking answers be taken for a ride......especially in this economy!
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#120 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Wonderful Jh!

AUTHOR: Patti - (U.S.A.)

Jh writes: "a last one for JUST ME and about myself"

Despite Augusta's passive/aggressive post, I'm glad my message got through. I know times can be confusing, but the best psychic reading is about you. Not about someone related to you and how he or she will treat you or interact with you. You. Where you are, where you're going and what options you have and are coming you can choose to bring yourself to where you wish to be.

I will agree with Augusta on one point she made. If a psychic is advertising a skill such as reading his or her mind or claiming to be a psychic spy, then that reader should be able to perform those skills. But anyone with any fundamental knowledge of psychology can play at being a mentalist and give good guesses at what's on someone's mind or, worse, your mind. In this way its easy for them to tell you what you want to hear. There are just too many listed on Kasamba which is why I will side with Janice and Lucy and Augusta on the fraud issue. But, I also think they're being over zealous and condeming all psychics who don't fit their misguided concept of what a "true" psychic reading is. I also think there's something quite stinky going on because you never see the names of the leaders of the MSN Message Board that keeps that client fraud list. Experts who belong to that message board are the ones that click out on you. Many experts don't belong though so it's hard to determine who is who.

A big indication of who belongs to that board is if you see the word "ethical" in their profile it's a sure bet they belong to a board that carries that client fraud list.

However, I will not budge in my opinion of those posting epic complaints with a laundry list of psychics as long as one's arm. I maintain that anyone who posts here are not clients, but are experts or ex-experts with an agenda. The only possible exception to this would be clients manipulated by experts to come post here. So, who suggested you join the fray here, Jh?
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#121 Consumer Suggestion

Just to clarify

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

My readings only started in early-mid March. The time frames I was given were generally about 2 months for something to happen, but I was told that timeframes are mainly a guide and it could be longer. I did get told some longer frames by 2 people, in fact. So it's not been year long timeframes or readings :) I was also told that timeframes are difficult and shouldn't be followed too too stringently, but I think that's up for debate.

Technically I did have something happen when it was supposed to -- but I found out about other things going on which I thought mooted my readings. And maybe it still does. Thus the confusion and my wondering.

But after last night's reading and how it turned out to not be what I expected when it matched previous ones, I'm not sure what to think and am just going to see what happens. IF it came true, then it would mean that the other readings all did come true as well -- they just were not happening according to timeframes. And to be honest, I took some action myself last week that may have pushed things off a bit, too. Though I think I did the right thing.

IF my readings didn't come true, then they doesn't. Really there's nothing I can do, but I am very curious to see what happens now. It is confusing and I think time needs to pass. It's also another reason why I want to wait to review anyone.
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Just to clarify

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

My readings only started in early-mid March. The time frames I was given were generally about 2 months for something to happen, but I was told that timeframes are mainly a guide and it could be longer. I did get told some longer frames by 2 people, in fact. So it's not been year long timeframes or readings :) I was also told that timeframes are difficult and shouldn't be followed too too stringently, but I think that's up for debate.

Technically I did have something happen when it was supposed to -- but I found out about other things going on which I thought mooted my readings. And maybe it still does. Thus the confusion and my wondering.

But after last night's reading and how it turned out to not be what I expected when it matched previous ones, I'm not sure what to think and am just going to see what happens. IF it came true, then it would mean that the other readings all did come true as well -- they just were not happening according to timeframes. And to be honest, I took some action myself last week that may have pushed things off a bit, too. Though I think I did the right thing.

IF my readings didn't come true, then they doesn't. Really there's nothing I can do, but I am very curious to see what happens now. It is confusing and I think time needs to pass. It's also another reason why I want to wait to review anyone.
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#123 Consumer Suggestion

Am wondering again

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I'm confused now, but...

I decided to have a reading last night -- a last one for JUST ME and about myself and that would be the focus. I chose someone I've read things from here in fact, and I felt she was genuine.

I got the reading and gave absolutely no info or details other than a very basic "I'd like to know about me as I move on" sort of thing. And -- I got the same reading including mention of the "other option" that I got from other readers. I wanted info on me, but she picked right up on my other situation. I'm quite stunned. Not in a bad way, but I really did NOT feed any info whatsoever. And this reader was a lot more A-Z in laying things out than most, which helped. And the focus was on me and my life despite the other situation seeping into it.

I'm unsure of what this means really, and only time will tell. It's confusing, yet perhaps once time passes it won't be. All I can do is see what happens. And in the meantime, do what I need to for me.

I said to this reader that even if nothing panned out, I was happy to have come in for me for this reading as my focus was different than before and whatever happens, it happens.
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To S and Jh

AUTHOR: Augusta - (U.S.A.)

Hi --
S I completely agree with and if you read any of Patti's posts they are harsh and always critical of anyone who dares to discuss what a psychic reading should be about ...hmmm shouldnt ithe service reflect what the reader is offering in her bio of services? That's where it says "can read his thoughts"..."can give you accurate information without judgment" ..."good with time"..."good with any area of life - career...".and so forth. The fact that Patti uses terms such as nitwits or "busted" or "yawn" shows what a completely superficial and critical in an unkind what she is.
Bottom line is, I read the reader's offerings...if after time, such as two years LOL not one detail ever manifested in any capacity...well that sure as heck wasnt a reading....if the information given proved to be completely wrong once you found out more information yourself....that sure as heck wasnt a reading. Especially if this repeatedly happens with multiple readers over time. They aren't reading, they are guessing and taking your money.
Jh - your situation is NOT unusual, in fact most of the terms you used in your posts are what K readers tell people...the distance, ...he is weak and can't handle stuff...and so forth...and then they GUESS. What do they have to lose by guessing? You are not going to get your money back...they keep you thinking they know what they are talking about so you go back and spend more. And the laws of chance can make them right a few times, hence the fantastic feedback!
YOU DID NOT GET A PSYCHIC READING....you were played. You did not suffer a disconnect ...you were played. Ask them about another area of your life too - they will be wrong. It's just that the love game is easier to play.
Saying all this - there are real psychics - they can "feel" and "see" certain strong potentialities and relay them to you - in fact in your case a real reader would have told you that near term they didnt see the relationship working ...(everything can change...reads should not go out past a year).....
Hope this helps. You are not alone!!
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#125 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Yes, S

AUTHOR: Patti - (U.S.A.)

Yes, S, you have time and time again expressed, and erroneously, that psychics should be nothing more than mindless vessels who's only worth is to channel "pure" information for you. Unless the information is without flaw they are totally worthless and frauds. You're among nitwits... I mean nitpickers I directed my post about. :::yawn:::

By the way, I don't know of any born in England that say England is in Europe. Only outsiders think of England is in Europe. It's part of Great Britain.

Busted!
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#126 Consumer Suggestion

List?

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

S, when you say there's a list of frauds, do you mean it's on the web, or just garnered from searching here?

I've tried to join two Kasamba discussion groups on Yahoo, but my memberships have not been approved yet. I think they're weary of newcomers just in case? I did write to one of the owners telling them of my experiences earlier today and telling them why I wanted to join.

I'm very curious about others' experiences with the readers who I think may not be on the up and up. As for the others, I do think that most are on the up and up. In my case they didn't get the full story. But they were uncanny as I said about some things.

The funny part is that if I hadn't/haven't been under so much stress all year so far, I'd of not lost my tarot reading ability. I was one of the few who almost never had a problem reading for myself. I had a near perfect accuracy level for myself as well. Then things piled on top of me and I lost my way with it. There's one reader who I trust as she's uncanny in her accuracy -- but I'd lost faith in the cards and it seemed that perhaps trying psychics would be a much easier and quicker route towards garnering some info. But now I don't know if it's me who doesn't gel with the psychic readings and I'm meant to stick with tarot or if it was just this situation I was in and the bad everything going on here that's somehow affecting what can be seen around me.
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#127 Consumer Suggestion

Not really my case, Patti

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

With all due respect, Patti, I DO see where you're coming from. But that wasn't my case.

I came to the psychics feeling very hopeLESS. I and my bf had a rough time separately, and his rough time seemed worse in that he doesn't deal with that stuff well. Due to it, he was being distant yet saying it wasn't me. Things going on were TOUGH on both ends. My life was also crashing in every direction and I had (still do!) nothing but bad luck all around. By the time I found Kasamba I was feeling so hopeless that I assumed I'd get negatives from everyone I spoke to. I expected negatives. I was shocked when I got any positives! I didn't believe it, hence "testing" it and wanting to speak to others for more viewpoints.

The story I got from everyone save for 2 of my readings detailed way above was not MY ideal. It was frustrating, in fact. It had a timeframe that was horrible to wait for. It had emotional elements and confusion which I didn't like as it did show doubts seeping into the relationship via the larger picture. But the readings also showed that things would even out and level out and eventually would go back to normal.

What happened in the end was nothing like I was told -- by all the positive readers OR the 2 negative ones. I've found out things in recent days that give me more background and made me realize that the "ending" of this story was out of my hands even before I spoke to anyone. And the incredible details and stories that never wavered from expert to expert were right on some levels -- yet they all missed the fact that this really was decided before I spoke to any of them.

And as the other person (sorry, can't scroll back to see your name!) here said, a psychic is supposed to tell you what they see and deliver messages and not feed into you. Now, I DID talk with at least one woman who I do think fed me bullshit. And there was another man who I'm not sure about as he was very accurate about feelings and such yet I'm just not sure... And another expert who I spent a lot on was VERY wrong yet I felt he only told me what he saw -- but now that I emailed him after something happened (he asked me to), I've not heard back from him at all and I'm starting to wonder what's up with that. I'm still unsure.

The only odd thing I've found is that one expert who's very well trusted gave me two readings -- 3 which matched the "good" outcome. And 2 which matched a "you have a choice, you'll make the final decision, someone else is coming your way" outcome. I don't get the disconnect, really. But the first outcome didn't come true. The second one? Who knows. One other "low level" reader also told me this same thing, which I found odd. Though she said I'd probably not bother with the second choice. But that's moot now. So of all the readings this is the only thing I'm still wondering about outcome wise. I'm very confused about how my "results" even came out as they did with all of these readers. Even the ones who picked up on personality traits and other events perfectly missed the bigger picture.
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#128 Consumer Comment

You are wrong Patti....

AUTHOR: S - (United Kingdom)

A psychic is supposed to "deliver" messages. Not give an opinion or "therapy" to the client.

Indeed they actually should not even know what they are talking about. As the client should not divulge their life story and therefore any information given should be pure.

If a Psychic cannot connect without lots of info, then its simple...they are not psychic. If a psychic starts advising someone who has told them their story then they are not psychic. They shouldnt even want to know the story. Psychics claim to be spiritual people who are given messages to pass on. Keep it at that, and if you cant then YOU ARE NOT PSYCHIC!!

You are a very very opinionated woman. Not a Psychic. The fact that you have a real bee in your bonnet about people asking about ex's, love interests, current relationships etc, and are SO judgemental proves the point.

You have no right to counsel people and you have no right to offer an opinion unless you are specifically asked for that. The fact that you showed up in the Psychic section, charge money to give your pre judged opinion is a joke.

And as for your claim that clients who are cut off are done so by real psychics is an even bigger one.

As you are well aware, there is a well researched and compiled list of frauds on Liveperson. And whenever someone posts on these boards of their experiences of being blocked - a quick cross reference and bingo! up they pop. And if they don't a bit of research and bingo, another fraud comes to light.

Thats fact Patti. Get used to it.
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#129 Consumer Comment

One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge

AUTHOR: Ernest - (U.S.A.)

To all "psychics".

You can get one million dollars if you go to the James Randi Educational Foundation website.

Click on the link - Million $ Challenge and fill in the form. If you can prove psychic abilities you win $1000,000!!! I must warn you however, nobody has taken the prize after running the offer for 10 years. Many have tried and all have failed. There is a list of those that have tried and failed.

In other words, "psychics" are frauds and only part you from your money. It's just amazing that in this day and age people can believe in this nonsense!
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#130 UPDATE EX-employee responds

I can tell you where the disconnect is.

AUTHOR: Patti - (U.S.A.)

"... I think the problem is that most people speaking to these people are in desperate situations and feel lost and have no control over things they want to have happen, so where better to get it? At the same time, so many people say that they've been helped by people on Live Person and the readings they've gotten have all come true. So where is the disconnect and what makes it work for some but not others?"


You answered your own question in the same paragraph. The disconnect that makes it work for some but not others is some are trying to exert control and others are not. It's those that understand that they make life happen and make functional choices that this connects for. Its those that are making desperate acts and grasping at straws or worse, hanging on to some dream of a life with someone who does not love them and is never coming back; they are the ones that try to control the reading. They are the ones that this can not work for. The thing that makes it work for some people and not others is the understanding that they are not victims of their circumstances and have the power of making choices to bring themselves out of a bad situation.

As they have no control over those around them, they come to psychics to try to control and manipulate them into spells, psychically spying of the ex's new love and life, and ask again and again, has anything changed? When are they coming back. Not IF but WHEN, as if it is their right to a life with this person or that this person is obligated to give them what they want.

None of the people here who write about what a "true" psychic reading is knows a thing about what a true psychic reading is. Anyone with one scintilla of actual ability knows this and can dismiss these posts on ROR as some dysfunctonal person who picked up a deck of tarot or learned how to run an astrology program and decided they were psychic readers. None of them listen to the real psychics. But they hop from reader to reader to reader to hear what they wanted to hear and then blames all of the psychics for being frauds. Where's the proof of that? Look at any "list of frauds" replete with claims of how awful they were. Notice how long these lists are. I counted one list being 32 experts long with a claim of all the readings being done within months of each other. Anyone who is looking to hear what they want to hear will go to psychic after psychic after psychic.

They nitpick over a time frame or they nitpick over height being off by an inch they nitpick and leave epic and scathingly detailed feedback "to warn others". They nitpick because it's the only thing they have control over. If one iota of the reading is off the reader is a fraud. No wonder you get cut off out of sessions if the reader will bother to try at all.

These people who try to impose the rules of what a reader is are the experts who have no real psychic ability and depend on cards and astrology, or worse are from another section with an agenda to do in all psychics because of some narrow minded fundamental christian belief that it's against god and nature. They're trying to impose their will and control others because they have no control over those they really wish to have control over. After reading about some complaints here, I have to wonder if those that got cut off think it is their right to get a reading from who they want, when they want, in the way they want. There were times I thought I was reading the writing of some immature adolescent throwing a tantrum.

The people who just hang up on you immediately are the ones who have that list of bad raters and clients or pour over the listed ratings trying to see who rates badly and makes note of it.

The people who answer your call. The people who try but honestly say, I just don't think I can connect. Those are the real readers. The honest ones. Try going back without an agenda or the intent of imposing your will and with an open mind. If the reader hasn't blocked you because you wasted their time with nitpicking and/or your energy was so awful, you might just find out what a real psychic reading is all about.
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#131 Consumer Suggestion

I wish the same about the ratings

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I've felt the same about ratings myself. It's not right for it to only be 30 days, and I think it leads to a lot of false positives. I also see people saying they'll come back to give that last star once the prediction comes true....when that's impossible!

I tried getting a rating edited by Kasamba/Live Person, and I got nowhere. Of the emails I sent, I got one reply and it made no sense whatsoever guidelines wise. So I just left things as-is and didn't fight it.

I'm still waiting to do my run down of who I spoke to and how accurate they are, but it's quite funny (well...maybe not!), as my situation seems to have "ended" now. Only -- both the long list of psychics who told me pretty much the same outcome and stories and the two "negative" psychics I wrote about here were ALL WRONG. There were elements of truth in some things they said, and I'm ultra impressed by some of the people I spoke to as they picked up on things immediately and were uncanny.

But the outcomes? All wrong. And two things by two people that were said to me this weekend were proved wrong right away. One of those things was small, the other was a big thing. But still...

I've also been finding out through contact with somebody who knows the other person involved in my situation that there's a lot of side issues I was never aware of. I'm having to piece things together on my own.

There is one "alternate" "you have a choice" outcome that two of the psychics I spoke to gave me (including David James, mentioned in my first post), but it's not something that's happened yet and according to their timing, it may not for a while.

Right now I want a bit more time to pass before taking a second look at all I was told. I don't want to do a review till then. But what I'm trying to work out now is how they all matched outcome wise, yet from what I know now, things may have been decided for me in my life before I even started talking to people on Live Person! The psychics' outcome wasn't even ideal to me on a time line and frustration scale, so I just find it odd that they all mostly did come up with the same stories and saw the same things.

Yet, I now know that even if a miracle happened and things started to fall in place where the person they told me about did do what they said he would in the end, I'd not be able to accept that offer.

This has been a very expensive lesson. VERY expensive. I think the problem is that most people speaking to these people are in desperate situations and feel lost and have no control over things they want to have happen, so where better to get it? At the same time, so many people say that they've been helped by people on Live Person and the readings they've gotten have all come true. So where is the disconnect and what makes it work for some but not others?
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#132 Consumer Suggestion

Suggestion to improve how readers are rated and other aspects

AUTHOR: Miami - (U.S.A.)

What I think is odd is the way the rating system is setup where you only have like 30 days to rate the reader and after that you can't. Many readers give time frames for predictions way out of this period of time so you can't give them a bad rating if nothing happens like they predicted. They really should not put a time limit for when a reader has to be rated by and this would allow customers to see if they truly are that 95 to 100% accurate that they claim to be.

Also I feel like the ratings should be based on whether, or not the predictions they make come true rather than them just making the person feel good and things like that at the time of the call. I have had readers ask me to rate them a 5 which I would never do unless their predictions come true. I also think a lot of the customers are too easy when it comes to rating.
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#133 Consumer Comment

Aware is right

AUTHOR: Augusta - (U.S.A.)

The reasons Aware has given as to what may have happened are right on. Especially if they do not respond via email to your request as to what happened. If readers would explain to clients why they are blocking them it would be a great courtesy. The client may not like it, but at least they are given a reason and not "ignored". I remember one reader saying to me in a read once on a person I was asking about - being ignored is the greatest sign of disrespect....well maybe the eaders should think about that themselves.
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#134 Consumer Comment

Re: when they hang up...

AUTHOR: Aware - (U.S.A.)

If you're hung up on by a reader you've NEVER spoken with before you can barely get out a hello (much less even give your name), you should try to reconnect with them to make sure it's not a technical thing. If you can't get back through, you've been blocked. In this case, one of two things (or maybe both) has happened: you've either left negative feedback for other readers, and they've seen it, or it's the result of info sharing.
End of story.
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#135 Consumer Suggestion

When they hang up

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I had someone hang up on me, too (not the same one you guys did). Had just said hello, started to write a few words, and they said "goodbye" and hung up. No reply the email I sent asking if there was a reason they hung up.

I'd assume if they were real and didn't feel something good about you or they felt you shouldn't be having a reading at all, they'd say something kind enough to make you understand. But with the abrupt hanging up thing I have to wonder if it's a case of shared info with others or multiple accounts.

I also think this person blocked me, as I couldn't see them in the active list at all, but when I looked at their profile through the email link I sent them, I could see they were online still. I'd never had contact with them before, so this really left my jaw on the floor.

I find it very odd and can only assume this sort of thing is a sign that they're one of the fakes out there or are info sharing.
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#136 UPDATE Employee

No apology necessary

AUTHOR: Shelley - (U.S.A.)

No apology necessary. Like I said you have every right to post what you feel. I am not/nor was I mad at you for this at all. I was a bit upset seeing my name on here, and such, but not mad at all. I wish I could have helped with that. I think my own heart got in the way there and I saw and felt things, unfortunately I was not right in your situation....and I am truly sorry. I guess it brings our own egos back in check to say that we are not always right...but I do wish you much happiness, all of it, because you do deserve that immensely. You take care of you sweetie! Huge hugs to you always :)
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#137 Consumer Comment

I have used some of them...

AUTHOR: Jennifer - (U.S.A.)

I have used some of them that you stated on here.

DavidJames...He was accurate with me, timing was off a bit but good, and did a free followup which I thought was great.

Lady Kathryn...She was good to me, her timing happened a bit before she said, not exactly the same but really close. I thought she was good, but a little expensive and didn't really give me a follow up for free, but I didn't complain. I don't think she does email readings? Not sure.

The High Prestess...I have been going to her for some time. Not alot but just to check up every once in a while. When I did start going too much she said that I should try to pace myself so that I don't waste money and so that I don't become addicted. I was grateful to that. And almost everything came to pass, all but one I think but she did say she was unsure of it fully. And she talked to me in email a few times with no charge. I think she really does want to help.

The Mystic Solution...I believe she passed away. I think she was battling cancer and it is sad. I have read that somewhere I think. Maybe on here. Not sure. But I went to her once, she was okay for me, she picked up on things good.

I just wanted to say from the other side.

Now there were a couple that did not come to be for me, but I don't take it as fraud, just that possibly we didnt connect fully.

Golden Eye...I went to her when she was a different name...I am trying to remember but I can't seem to. She was not that accurate so I clicked out before hire. I don't want to slam her, she probably just didnt connect with me, but I am not sure.

Mystic Juanita hung up on me as well. Maybe she just didnt feel the connection but would have been nice for her to say.
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#138 Consumer Comment

Re: The high priestess

AUTHOR: Alice - (Canada)

This is in response to Shelley aka The high priestess:

Unfortunately i cannot email you back via Kasamba since my account has been deactivated so i will response to you here. I no longer have any activity on Kasamba.

I mentioned your name in my 'list' because i was making a list of psychics i went to during my depression period and you were there as well. During that list you were listed as $9.95/min which YOU DID NOT CHARGE ME. I want to clarify that to the public here. When i made the list you were listed under that price with that number of rating. I never said you were a bad advisor, i simply said you were inaccurate with me. I was very frustrated that NONE OF THE READINGS AT ALL FROM THAT LIST came to pass, even after one year and of course by now the dark cloud has past. And yes you did provide endless time to console me and for that i thank you. I DID came back to you for verification on the same reading we had the very first time so i also want to clarify to public that the statement my on this report by Shelley is TRUE.

If i had made you upset due to this report please accept my apology. I will admit i was lost in the moment when i wrote the report but the report was written with honesty and never meant to defame any 'light worker'. If i feel i was being cheated i have wrote on that report. However, for The High Priestess, the reading on ME was simply inaccurate and psychics do have their bad days or people they cannot read.

Shelley you have been wonderful and patience in listening to me in the past and i will have you know that i've came back into the light long since those dark ages. You could be a councellor as well since i remember on Kasamba there were only a few that's willing to LISTEN ONLY without all talk of $$.

I just wanted to clear Shelley's name. I do encourage anyone to give you a try and see if she's the reader for you. If not please do understand that psychics cannot do miracles as i finally understood that after times past.

Wish you well,
Alice
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#139 UPDATE Employee

Just a quick note

AUTHOR: Shelley - (U.S.A.)

I just wanted to say that I am a bit stumped why you put me down as a "rip off" but every one is entitled to their opinion. I am not going to say that "it was you" or whatever and make excuses. I am sorry that I was wrong with you, sincerely. I can't and am not right with everyone, no one is that accurate.

I also want to clarify that even though you stated that I charge $9.95 min I only charged you once for only $19.95 for the initial reading, after lowering my fee for you. And all the predictions that you are talking about was really only one prediction but we spoke about it several times for free.

But again, I am sorry that it didn't pan out for you and just wish you would have discussed this with me since I have always had your best interest in mind with this, looking back through our chats you can see that, but you are free to post anywhere about it, I am not complaining about that. I just felt I should come and discuss it since my name was brought up. You are free to come and email if you decide to, not for a reading, but because I do genuinely care and want to help. It sometimes helps just to have someone listen, I just really wished you had said something to me instead of me being directed here by a client.

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#140 Consumer Comment

Who will get helped? People that seek help from:

AUTHOR: Chris - (U.S.A.)

psychics
astrologers
Santa Claus
Tooth Fairy
rainbows
4-leaf clovers
wishbones
Blowing out candles on a Birthday Cake
Alcohol
Other Drugs
or, None of the above?

There is real help available to anyone who seeks help...from a support group! Find the group which is appropriate to your addiction, your disappointment, or the cause of your depression. It may well be a 12-step program. Google for the right group! Go! There are no dues or fees (if you find yourself being asked for money, you are not in a support group/do not attend, or exit immediately! -other than maybe one dollar voluntarialy in a basket passed at the end of the meeting! You do not have to speak unless you want to! What is said is confidential! You will not be ripped off, and more importantly, you will not have to deal with self-recrimination for being ripped off! You will find real friendship and help!
Chris
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#141 Consumer Suggestion

A followup to my post yesterday and a slap in the face I needed

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I'm hoping my having discussed my stupidity in depth will make others think a bit. I know I have due to being so upset with myself and situations the last days.

I was thinking last night and today about my personal situation quite a bit and going over all sorts of things to try and ground myself. A bit of a natural result to how I screwed with my head last week and how I allowed myself to get out of control with wanting more info and assurances. I told myself that though there's still tempation while upset to want more immediate clarifications and info, I'll only go to speak to some of my trusted readers on Kasamba when I REALLY need to and not just because I want to keep easing my mind. And I have to let some time pass, too.

However -- I still didn't fully know how to let any sort of self trust sink in and didn't know how to stop elevating the fears and upset that the "addiction" created after I went too far with it. I created a lot of emotional drama in my head over that. So I've been telling myself to calm down and start trusting my gut again and what I know to be true in my situation. But it didn't seem to be working and I felt nervous all day. I'm still upset at myself, at the poor readings ($80 on those!), and just....myself.

And then....about half an hour ago I get a phone call from....Kasamba! They were checking to see if it was me really using my credit cards on their site as there was so much activity this month. I confirmed it and felt embarrassed after hanging up. I then went to look at my page history, and while I glossed over the amounts before, I looked at them today with a calculator. When I did that I was shocked. It was about $100 more than I thought I spent (luckily "only" $100 more!), and I just didn't even realize somehow. THIS was a huge slap in the face. THIS, I'll tell you, THIS somehow sent reality gushing back in. I feel like I've had cold water thrown on me. This made me even more annoyed that I wasted money on readers I shouldn't have even seen after my first few. And this made me even more annoyed that my personal fears about things I can't control and patience I have a hard time keeping sent me into an upset tailspin due to MY STUPIDITY.

Again, I do trust some readers there, and I will see them again WHEN I NEED TO! But wow....

The funny thing is that I think how I feel right now is what one of the readers who seemed legit talked about! Oh, the stupid irony!
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#142 Consumer Comment

Didn't have a good experience with one of your top ones

AUTHOR: Jh - (U.S.A.)

I plan to do my own list of psychics I've seen on Kasamba in the next months. I'm afraid to say that I got a bit addicted to continually checking the outcomes they gave me -- and I got burnt by it at the end and learned a big lessen!

I did want to mention Gypsy Raven, though. I seem to be one of her very few clients who had a very bad experience with her. Makes me feel like a bit of a freak, to be honest! But it was two days ago and I'm still shaken by how bad and upsetting it was. Perhaps I am a freak, or perhaps she picked up on negatives and worries of mine. Or perhaps I was meant to have that bad experience with her.

Firstly, I saw 7 readers and had 8 readings before the following took place. Yes....excessive!! Whether this all comes to pass or not, the story I was told by all of these readers is not a straight forward one -- it has twists to it. But they all came up with the same results for me.

But as I was anxious and got a bit addicted, what did I do? I started getting fearful that I needed more confirmation, or maybe someone was wrong (out of 8 readings that matched?!), and felt I had to keep testing it. STUPID.

Right before I saw Gypsy Raven, I saw a reader from the psychic reading section who actually wasn't a psychic. I didn't know she wasn't a real psychic but a tarot reader till after the reading was done with. Her info page is a bit misleading, though she was a really sweet woman and very good reading current emotions. Personally, I've wanted to avoid tarot for some personal reasons as I no longer trust it right now (crisis of faith, really). I read myself at an advanced level, and I purposely started going to Kasamba to see psychics and stay away from the cards and their limitations. I find when I'm upset that even friends reading for me results in skewered results.

I thought things were odd the way this woman was laying the reading out, but I was wanting more confirmation of my story and didn't realize till after the fact when I read her other profiles that she wasn't psychic. But as she was the first of the 8 (!) previous readings to give me a different story and outcome, I was upset. Very upset. I'd been pushing things and pushing things, and it became a bit of a nervous obsession to keep trying to get more and more confirmations and bits of info. I knew it was going to bite me in the a*s, and it did. Maybe that's what it was meant to do!! But I was so upset by it (all my fault, as stated!), that what did I do? I went to look for more readers! The ones I wanted weren't available, and Gypsy Raven looked good from her reviews. While not a big name, she was also affordable. So I went to her.

When I told her that I had spoken to others on the site before her (I feel the need to disclose that for some reason), she told me that often people are lead to her by Spirit after seeing other readers because they're finally ready for the truth. I remember thinking that was a bit of a WOAH thing to say -- a bit disrespectful to other readers. But I let it go (stupid). I also told her about the tarot reader confusion and that it'd upset me greatly. I don't know what was wrong with me, but when she said that she felt I was in a relationship causing me torment and deciding if I should stay or go, I remember thinking "I definitely don't want to go and don't plan to!", but all I answered was something about yes, I am being "tormented". What was wrong with me? Was my upset causing me to totally turn into a crying mess??!

Now it got worse -- as soon as I mentioned to Gypsy that I'm in a long distance relationship, she told me she's never known one to work. I was shocked by this as I know of many LD relationships that have made it fine, some to marriage. I saw later on in her feedback that she apparently gave someone else a hard time about a LD relationship as well.

Now, she was right about some things to do with my bf's personality/past and tough times recently. However, most of the reading was very incorrect and I felt like she was being negative on purpose. I've re-read the transcript a few times and I'm kind of floored by it. She seemed to be picking up on some things, but twisting them, NOT seeing the background info or the human characters within, and it was a mess. I did rebut her on some things, but for most of it I was being polite and just went with things. I don't know why I didn't stop things other than I was shocked and already upset and in a bad state. Though by the last third I was just letting her talk and feeling like I was now learning a really horrible lessen about Kasamba/psychic "addiction".

She was incorrect about my bf's feelings for me, skipped over his complicated situation right now (but made him sound quite horrible and one dimensional), assumed things about our commitment status, and told me I'd find love locally if I stopped looking. She capitalized this to make a point. I told her I've never looked for love on purpose, and that is the truth! When I told her that others (8 readings at that point) had all given me a similar reading that very much differed from hers, Gypsy told me that a lot of psychics tell you what you want or pick up only what you feel, but she is one of the few who's right. She even mentioned being mentioned on the Ripoff Report (LOL). I remember thinking yet again that that was really WOAH and disrespectful to other readers.

She repeated a few times that I should leave my relationship. She was adamant about it and told me how messed up he is. He IS going through a tough time -- and had she really picked up on it she'd of seen very clearly just why and just what he's been going through lately. This alone makes me think we had a faulty connection of some sort.

She also said my bf would "chase" me if I left, but that's not his style at all. She also told me why I started coming to psychics, and when I told her that wasn't true and I'd started seeing them before this one event, she glossed over it and then told me that that was what she said.

I left this reading more upset than ever. While I will use Kasamba again for readers I trust and have learned a HUGE lessen about what I got stuck into while waiting for answers in my complicated personal situation, I feel in a way I was meant to see Gypsy and the other woman to REALLY open my eyes and make me calm down and stop looking for so much confirmation to EXCESS! I spent quite a bit of time crying and feeling stupid the next day over what she said. Not over the wrong sentiments she came up with, but the attitude and the insisting she was right when she wasn't even seeing a clear picture of anything -- just focusing on negatives as if we were dealing with one dimensional characters. Today I've felt quite angry, but still upset that I could lead myself into something so dumb. I guess it HAD to happen, though.

The funny thing is that after this experience with her, I went to see the reader I'd seen twice before (David James, who wow's me as he starts answering Q's often when you're only halfway through typing them), and told him how I felt out of control and why, and asked for an update on things. He was consistent with his last readings, so I took that and have told myself that that is IT for now. I need to let time pass, to be patient, and to stop this. It's not exactly cheap either!

I'm an anxious person due to my past, and waiting things out and having faith in things is hard. There are some very good readers on the site, but when you're anxious or upset it's very easy to want "just one more". I had "just one more" twice before the tarot reader, and then Gypsy was my "just one more" to make up for the screwed up situation with choosing the tarot reader by accident. Then David was my "just one more" after the Gypsy mess. Now, I'm ashamed to say I was tempted to go to another reader tonight just to try a new one out!!! I kept thinking "just one more....to confirm things" (how many more readings do I need to confirm things?? I've got 9!!).

But this is what having access to this does once you dip your toe in. HOWEVER, thinking back to the tarot/Gypsy debacle when I think of contacting new readers is enough to scare the crap out of me and make me think. I burnt MYSELF out of MY OWN anxious stupidity. I also found readers I trust and got my confirmation. And I have to start believing what my gut feelings tell me about my life and situation. I will use these things to try and keep me straight from now on!!!
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#143 Consumer Comment

I agree with Augusta

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

It is frightening when you realise how deeply you were sucked into their web of false hope and lies. Don't be too hard on yourself Alice, many, many others have and will fall into the same trap.

If the readers were genuine and honest with you in the first place you would have been able to move on much earlier than you did. Sure, take some of the responsibility yourself, but also recognise that most of these people are professional BS artists and are very skilled at feeding clients lies, until the client finally wakes up to it.

Glad you finally have control over your life again. Hope you get to take that holiday you can now save for.
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#144 Consumer Comment

Thanx you - will help others

AUTHOR: Augusta - (U.S.A.)

Alice - thank you for sharing this list. It is what I myself have experienced over the years with many of the readers you mentioned and I have friends who also had readings which never ever came true. To be honest, I know of no one who has has truly received accurate potential near term events happen.
I also want you to realize not to blame yourself. You were hurting and believed the false claims in the bios of these so called spiritual readers. It was misrepresented skills in their advertising , and actually by lying to you (or being self deluded about their so-called gifts) they will answer for that someday by a higher power.
So you have done a wonderful thing by sharing your experience, and be sure you are not alone in having this dreadful waste of money and emotion on readings that were coming from false advertising.
You cannot allow anyone to tell you its your fault, that you were addicted - that is a major cop out. If your first few reads were authentic by spiritually inclined, well trained clairvoyants - guess what - you would have seen the true results and moved on in time. You would have seen authentic events happening, would have felt the truth - and that would have been it. Instead you were fed lies in the name of greed and those lies (because of your trust, not your addiction) kept you going back until blessedly some inner angel of yours must have clued you in to the falsehoods being given out by these so called psychics.
There is true ability out there, just very rare and very hard to find on that website.
So to everyone out there - PLEASE - if you have a read....wait - if nothing happens DONT GO BACK - that is the hook/line they use to reel you in.
Much love and true guidance to all
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#145 Author of original report

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AUTHOR: Alice - (Canada)

I know that's scary. Actually, as i sat down and made that list i realized how many psychics i've been to and that is an eye opening itself. Wish i had made my list half way......would have saved me ALOT of money....
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#146 UPDATE Employee

Good for you Alice

AUTHOR: Katie - (U.S.A.)

Dear Alice - I am glad you are moving on, but what is frightening is that you've visited at least 37 psychics in 10 months! If that wasn't clearly addictive to you, then hopefully NOW you realize that the problem lies FIRST with you. Good luck - I hope you get counseling!
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