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  • Submitted: Tue, October 21, 2008
  • Updated: Thu, March 12, 2009

  • Reported By:PITTSBURGH Pennsylvania
Kasamba/LivePerson
462 7th Avenue New York, New York U.S.A.

Kasamba/LivePerson Kasamba/LivePerson Frauds - The Investigation New York New York

*Consumer Comment: YOUR FRIEND IS RIGHT BUT ANYBODY WHO CALLS THESE PEOPLE DESERVES WHAT THEY GET!

*Consumer Suggestion: AMBERS LIGHT YOU WANTED PROOF YOU GOT IT

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: ROBINS UTOPIA RUBBISH WITH LYARS

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Thanx Augusta.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Thanx Augusta.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Thanx Augusta.

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Thanx Augusta.

*Consumer Comment: Good going Charlotte

*UPDATE Employee: This is pointless

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: OH Look KU and friends come to add their two cents worth

*Consumer Comment: Charlotte

*UPDATE Employee: In response to Charlotte

*Author of original report: Response to Amber's Rant

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Charlotte58 and Readers of this Report!

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Kasamba/LivePerson Psychics We've Been Asked To Investigate As Fraudulent Psychics and Mediums.

There have been a lot of ex-clients of Kasamba/LivePerson who have e-mailed us with horrible stories of their experiences with many of the psychics, mediums from the below list. Because we have a media outlet that is willing to publish our findings on 'Fraud Psychics and Mediums On and Off-line'. Ex-clients who have experienced the lies and the false and in-accurate readings and genuine psychic readers who have been harassed and threated by some of these so called psychic and mediums to leave Kasamba or else, have asked us to investigate the people belows for fraudulent actions and services. What happens to those who are found to be frauds well, we write up an article on the fraud psychic and their fraudulent practices and give to our media outlet for publishing. In the last 3 month's we have got over 800 e-mail complaints about the psychics below:

Robin Bluedragon,
Penny Clark Babson/Penny Sue,
Nicola,
Amber's Light,
Cali,
Andrea Caroline,
Emily Rose,
Gypsy Raven,
Mother_Leeanna,
Zoya,
Edith O' Leary,
Voodoo Love Queen,
Melodie,
Psychic Hannah,
Master Power Visions,
Queenstarr,
Psychic/Clairvoyant Sylvia,
Salsa Dancer,
Thinker Bell,
Angel Wings 777

This is only 20, of the 60 readers we have been asked to investigate for fraud. The first 7 had the most complaints not only for fraud, but for harassment, trying to frightening clients with words like ' you got an evil spirit round you, or a dark entity is the reason your life is bad, then there's the one about someone putting a curse on the client and a spell will rid you of your problems'. Clients also were told about paying for special prayers, candles and spells to get rid of certain situations.

Never Pay anyone that talks of dark forces around you or tries to sell you prayers or candles to help you, this is a sign of a fraud psychics trying to frighten you out of your hard earned cash. Never pay for spells either for a Wiccan or Traditional Witch Spells are like prayers and so should be given for free if they are asked for. This is what my friend says anyway.

Charlotte58
PITTSBURGH, Pennsylvania
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 10/21/2008 11:03 AM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/KasambaLivePerson/New-York-New-York-10018/KasambaLivePerson-KasambaLivePerson-Frauds-The-Investigation-New-York-New-York-383338. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

YOUR FRIEND IS RIGHT BUT ANYBODY WHO CALLS THESE PEOPLE DESERVES WHAT THEY GET!

AUTHOR: Joe - (U.S.A.)

There is a disclaimer on these sites that says they are for entertainment purposes only...
They sure don't have real psychic powers --those people are rare, few and very far between and are advising world leaders and you will NEVER hear them on some two-bit fake psychic hotline. PEOPLE, YOU ARE BEING BILLED BY THE MINUTE!

Emotions are overriding common sense and logic and they want what they want when they want it and they are willing to pay whatever it takes to get what they want and the hell with what anybody else wants.

They call and call and call and call and then they scream that the spell they paid all this money for or the psychic predictions DID NOT WORK! Damn, if they had stopped to THINK and read the disclaimer before they made the call, all of that money would still be in their pocket. ( by the way, these people can't work real spells either --they aren't Wiccans OR "other" witches either as a rule) --the guys who can do this are not going to be on the fake psychic hotline either... An ordinary person will never see them or hear from them...

IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SCAMMED FOR FAKE SPELLS AND PSYCHIC PREDICTIONS, THEN DON'T CALL HERE.

IF YOU CALL, DON'T COME HERE AND BOO HOO ABOUT IT.

IF YOU DON'T MESS WITH THIS STUFF IN THE FIRST PLACE, YOU WILL BE OK.

IF YOU MESS WITH THIS STUFF ANYWAY AND DON'T THINK FIRST, YOU GET WHAT YOU DESERVE AND THAT WILL BE BROKE --OR HAVE A MAJOR FINANCIAL HIT!

NOBODY FORCES YOU TO CALL.
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#2 Consumer Suggestion

AMBERS LIGHT YOU WANTED PROOF YOU GOT IT

AUTHOR: Tom - (U.S.A.)

Dear Ms Amber's Light,

I accidentally ran into this report and since you made such a hue and cry about this let me tell you I did use you one time and although I did not give a bad rating I went back and checked if anything you said were accurate and they were not. In fact some things were downright misleading.

So stop kidding yourself and making it seem like you are a Psychic.

Not only are you not but you sure sound like a Psycho with your rants in here!

I don't know Charlotte and I don't know which company she represents but I won't be surprised if she got hundreds of complaints against you.

Admittedly you are not the worst of the worst I will give you that. But stop claiming to be something you are not ( a Psychic) its just false advertising and misleading people. Give it up Amber. Do you sleep at night?
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#3 UPDATE EX-employee responds

ROBINS UTOPIA RUBBISH WITH LYARS

AUTHOR: MILO - (Europe)

ROBIN BLUE DRAGON IS SNOGGING NICOLA & THEY PINCH CUSTOMER DETAILS &

CHECK THE COURT IN NORTH CARROLLINA
ROBIN WILLIAM FORD 15 FEB 1955

HE HAS AN OFFENCE RECORD 4 LYING ON THE DOLE & CHEQUES OVERDRAFT, DRINK & DRUGGING
LOOK IN INTELIUS.COM BOTH LIVE IN THE SAME FLAT & SAME CITY IN OHIO, SAME NEIGHBOURHOOD

CHECK NICOLA DYE THATS HER REAL NAME GROTTY THE LOT OF THEM LYARS & CHEATS
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#4 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Thanx Augusta.

AUTHOR: Charlotte58 - (U.S.A.)

Thanks Augusta, I agree with what you say, its always good to see that someone sees the fakes and frauds for what they are thieves preying on innocent people who have despairing situations.

The empty scare tactics of Leah and Amber don't scare me, they obviously don't know much about the law. You see it's very unlikely that you could get a lawyer to risk his/her reputation on bringing up a case about a rip off report to a court of law. If by a very weak chance you could get a lawyer, then your lawyer, my lawyer or the judge will want evidence that your psychic. Your rates and reviews could be dismissed as evidence because there third person evidence. Even if you got some friends or family pretending to be clients to give evidence that you were psychic, that might not been seen as concrete evidence. So what your lawyer, my lawyer or the judge would do is to summon or ask for an expert of the American Psychical Research Association to test your self claimed abilities. If the expert found that you had failed and were not psychic then the findings would be given to all parties concerned. Your cases would be dismissed and the court/judge could decide to inform the local policing authorities of your so called businesses and the rest well I don't think I need to draw a picture for you.

I can't believe that anyone who cannot understand or comprehend the meaning of simple words like complaints, accusations, research and investigation would speak to anyone else of ignorance or lack of intelligence. You see I realise that I must explain things to you Leah, as I would a child. Because you don't seem to get the point about the fact that in order to gain evidence, you first need to have a complaint which in turn you research and investigate the person involved in that complaint, for e.g. say a psychic like Amber, yourself or any of the psychics mentioned on the list. When you research and investigate the self claimed psychic then a person may or may not get evidence. IF we do get evidence on the different psychics of them being frauds or not, or of not having the abilities they say they have then they will be written up on the fraud list. I think that I explained all this is my first post quite clearly, then I explained it again in my second post and I do hope that I won't need to explain it in even simpler terms in my next post. It's not hard to figure it out.


It doesn't surprise me or us at all that some of you came out to attack us for what we are doing, the fakes and frauds don't want to be caught out as frauds because they are making so much money on their fake and fraudulent services. You've clearly shown Leah that you don't have any decent morals or ethics when it comes to the psychic industry. Not once did you commend the idea of going after frauds as a good thing for the industry, all you both did was do an OTT attack on our post and on me, myself. It clearly shows where you stand and I think that its very clear the kind of person and reader you are.

The best thing that any decent genuine and real psychic or medium can do, is to support people who are genuinely trying to rid the psychic industry of the frauds and fakes who are giving the psychic industry a bad reputation. A few bad apples can rotten the whole batch because clients will think that psychics are nothing but a bunch of fakes and frauds and that the abilities aren't real. It's about time some of us genuine psychics banded together to publically out the psychic scam artists and get them off the net and out of the industry.


Fakes need to stop and think of the damage their causing everytime they build false hope up and give it to another person. Frauds pretend to be the clients friends that crosses the line of professionalism and means that they take money from people under false pretences. The pretences of being psychic when your not.

Anybody like Leah and Amber who don't even mention the very real and important topic of the articles but instead does nothing but attack, attack, throw insults and threats at people who are trying to help clients by getting rid of the frauds, aren't interested in the people they read for, so the only thing they must be interested in is the money and how much they can make. Makes you wonder about their motives for attacking some people who are trying to fight the frauds in their so called industry. Makes you think?
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#5 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Thanx Augusta.

AUTHOR: Charlotte58 - (U.S.A.)

Thanks Augusta, I agree with what you say, its always good to see that someone sees the fakes and frauds for what they are thieves preying on innocent people who have despairing situations.

The empty scare tactics of Leah and Amber don't scare me, they obviously don't know much about the law. You see it's very unlikely that you could get a lawyer to risk his/her reputation on bringing up a case about a rip off report to a court of law. If by a very weak chance you could get a lawyer, then your lawyer, my lawyer or the judge will want evidence that your psychic. Your rates and reviews could be dismissed as evidence because there third person evidence. Even if you got some friends or family pretending to be clients to give evidence that you were psychic, that might not been seen as concrete evidence. So what your lawyer, my lawyer or the judge would do is to summon or ask for an expert of the American Psychical Research Association to test your self claimed abilities. If the expert found that you had failed and were not psychic then the findings would be given to all parties concerned. Your cases would be dismissed and the court/judge could decide to inform the local policing authorities of your so called businesses and the rest well I don't think I need to draw a picture for you.

I can't believe that anyone who cannot understand or comprehend the meaning of simple words like complaints, accusations, research and investigation would speak to anyone else of ignorance or lack of intelligence. You see I realise that I must explain things to you Leah, as I would a child. Because you don't seem to get the point about the fact that in order to gain evidence, you first need to have a complaint which in turn you research and investigate the person involved in that complaint, for e.g. say a psychic like Amber, yourself or any of the psychics mentioned on the list. When you research and investigate the self claimed psychic then a person may or may not get evidence. IF we do get evidence on the different psychics of them being frauds or not, or of not having the abilities they say they have then they will be written up on the fraud list. I think that I explained all this is my first post quite clearly, then I explained it again in my second post and I do hope that I won't need to explain it in even simpler terms in my next post. It's not hard to figure it out.


It doesn't surprise me or us at all that some of you came out to attack us for what we are doing, the fakes and frauds don't want to be caught out as frauds because they are making so much money on their fake and fraudulent services. You've clearly shown Leah that you don't have any decent morals or ethics when it comes to the psychic industry. Not once did you commend the idea of going after frauds as a good thing for the industry, all you both did was do an OTT attack on our post and on me, myself. It clearly shows where you stand and I think that its very clear the kind of person and reader you are.

The best thing that any decent genuine and real psychic or medium can do, is to support people who are genuinely trying to rid the psychic industry of the frauds and fakes who are giving the psychic industry a bad reputation. A few bad apples can rotten the whole batch because clients will think that psychics are nothing but a bunch of fakes and frauds and that the abilities aren't real. It's about time some of us genuine psychics banded together to publically out the psychic scam artists and get them off the net and out of the industry.


Fakes need to stop and think of the damage their causing everytime they build false hope up and give it to another person. Frauds pretend to be the clients friends that crosses the line of professionalism and means that they take money from people under false pretences. The pretences of being psychic when your not.

Anybody like Leah and Amber who don't even mention the very real and important topic of the articles but instead does nothing but attack, attack, throw insults and threats at people who are trying to help clients by getting rid of the frauds, aren't interested in the people they read for, so the only thing they must be interested in is the money and how much they can make. Makes you wonder about their motives for attacking some people who are trying to fight the frauds in their so called industry. Makes you think?
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#6 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Thanx Augusta.

AUTHOR: Charlotte58 - (U.S.A.)

Thanks Augusta, I agree with what you say, its always good to see that someone sees the fakes and frauds for what they are thieves preying on innocent people who have despairing situations.

The empty scare tactics of Leah and Amber don't scare me, they obviously don't know much about the law. You see it's very unlikely that you could get a lawyer to risk his/her reputation on bringing up a case about a rip off report to a court of law. If by a very weak chance you could get a lawyer, then your lawyer, my lawyer or the judge will want evidence that your psychic. Your rates and reviews could be dismissed as evidence because there third person evidence. Even if you got some friends or family pretending to be clients to give evidence that you were psychic, that might not been seen as concrete evidence. So what your lawyer, my lawyer or the judge would do is to summon or ask for an expert of the American Psychical Research Association to test your self claimed abilities. If the expert found that you had failed and were not psychic then the findings would be given to all parties concerned. Your cases would be dismissed and the court/judge could decide to inform the local policing authorities of your so called businesses and the rest well I don't think I need to draw a picture for you.

I can't believe that anyone who cannot understand or comprehend the meaning of simple words like complaints, accusations, research and investigation would speak to anyone else of ignorance or lack of intelligence. You see I realise that I must explain things to you Leah, as I would a child. Because you don't seem to get the point about the fact that in order to gain evidence, you first need to have a complaint which in turn you research and investigate the person involved in that complaint, for e.g. say a psychic like Amber, yourself or any of the psychics mentioned on the list. When you research and investigate the self claimed psychic then a person may or may not get evidence. IF we do get evidence on the different psychics of them being frauds or not, or of not having the abilities they say they have then they will be written up on the fraud list. I think that I explained all this is my first post quite clearly, then I explained it again in my second post and I do hope that I won't need to explain it in even simpler terms in my next post. It's not hard to figure it out.


It doesn't surprise me or us at all that some of you came out to attack us for what we are doing, the fakes and frauds don't want to be caught out as frauds because they are making so much money on their fake and fraudulent services. You've clearly shown Leah that you don't have any decent morals or ethics when it comes to the psychic industry. Not once did you commend the idea of going after frauds as a good thing for the industry, all you both did was do an OTT attack on our post and on me, myself. It clearly shows where you stand and I think that its very clear the kind of person and reader you are.

The best thing that any decent genuine and real psychic or medium can do, is to support people who are genuinely trying to rid the psychic industry of the frauds and fakes who are giving the psychic industry a bad reputation. A few bad apples can rotten the whole batch because clients will think that psychics are nothing but a bunch of fakes and frauds and that the abilities aren't real. It's about time some of us genuine psychics banded together to publically out the psychic scam artists and get them off the net and out of the industry.


Fakes need to stop and think of the damage their causing everytime they build false hope up and give it to another person. Frauds pretend to be the clients friends that crosses the line of professionalism and means that they take money from people under false pretences. The pretences of being psychic when your not.

Anybody like Leah and Amber who don't even mention the very real and important topic of the articles but instead does nothing but attack, attack, throw insults and threats at people who are trying to help clients by getting rid of the frauds, aren't interested in the people they read for, so the only thing they must be interested in is the money and how much they can make. Makes you wonder about their motives for attacking some people who are trying to fight the frauds in their so called industry. Makes you think?
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#7 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Thanx Augusta.

AUTHOR: Charlotte58 - (U.S.A.)

Thanks Augusta, I agree with what you say, its always good to see that someone sees the fakes and frauds for what they are thieves preying on innocent people who have despairing situations.

The empty scare tactics of Leah and Amber don't scare me, they obviously don't know much about the law. You see it's very unlikely that you could get a lawyer to risk his/her reputation on bringing up a case about a rip off report to a court of law. If by a very weak chance you could get a lawyer, then your lawyer, my lawyer or the judge will want evidence that your psychic. Your rates and reviews could be dismissed as evidence because there third person evidence. Even if you got some friends or family pretending to be clients to give evidence that you were psychic, that might not been seen as concrete evidence. So what your lawyer, my lawyer or the judge would do is to summon or ask for an expert of the American Psychical Research Association to test your self claimed abilities. If the expert found that you had failed and were not psychic then the findings would be given to all parties concerned. Your cases would be dismissed and the court/judge could decide to inform the local policing authorities of your so called businesses and the rest well I don't think I need to draw a picture for you.

I can't believe that anyone who cannot understand or comprehend the meaning of simple words like complaints, accusations, research and investigation would speak to anyone else of ignorance or lack of intelligence. You see I realise that I must explain things to you Leah, as I would a child. Because you don't seem to get the point about the fact that in order to gain evidence, you first need to have a complaint which in turn you research and investigate the person involved in that complaint, for e.g. say a psychic like Amber, yourself or any of the psychics mentioned on the list. When you research and investigate the self claimed psychic then a person may or may not get evidence. IF we do get evidence on the different psychics of them being frauds or not, or of not having the abilities they say they have then they will be written up on the fraud list. I think that I explained all this is my first post quite clearly, then I explained it again in my second post and I do hope that I won't need to explain it in even simpler terms in my next post. It's not hard to figure it out.


It doesn't surprise me or us at all that some of you came out to attack us for what we are doing, the fakes and frauds don't want to be caught out as frauds because they are making so much money on their fake and fraudulent services. You've clearly shown Leah that you don't have any decent morals or ethics when it comes to the psychic industry. Not once did you commend the idea of going after frauds as a good thing for the industry, all you both did was do an OTT attack on our post and on me, myself. It clearly shows where you stand and I think that its very clear the kind of person and reader you are.

The best thing that any decent genuine and real psychic or medium can do, is to support people who are genuinely trying to rid the psychic industry of the frauds and fakes who are giving the psychic industry a bad reputation. A few bad apples can rotten the whole batch because clients will think that psychics are nothing but a bunch of fakes and frauds and that the abilities aren't real. It's about time some of us genuine psychics banded together to publically out the psychic scam artists and get them off the net and out of the industry.


Fakes need to stop and think of the damage their causing everytime they build false hope up and give it to another person. Frauds pretend to be the clients friends that crosses the line of professionalism and means that they take money from people under false pretences. The pretences of being psychic when your not.

Anybody like Leah and Amber who don't even mention the very real and important topic of the articles but instead does nothing but attack, attack, throw insults and threats at people who are trying to help clients by getting rid of the frauds, aren't interested in the people they read for, so the only thing they must be interested in is the money and how much they can make. Makes you wonder about their motives for attacking some people who are trying to fight the frauds in their so called industry. Makes you think?
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#8 Consumer Comment

Good going Charlotte

AUTHOR: Augusta - (U.S.A.)

I think your post was great and its funny you were attacked as demanding, when in fact it was Ambers Light who wrote DEMAND in all caps. Just continue to do what you feel best -- as usual you will be accused of being off balance and seek help...oops the last poster already did that. WOW the old communist trick of sticking people in asylums who question anything.
Ambers Light is simply an unskilled psychic, with very little prediction value and I am glad you are questioning the readers quals that they list in their bio. She may be very nice but that doesnt equate with spending money for no clairvoyance. As the for Lisa who posted above in her defense (I believe using the handle Leah)....I believe that is most likely LisaM. Another nice lady whose predictions generally do not pan out.
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#9 UPDATE Employee

This is pointless

AUTHOR: Leah - (U.S.A.)

Charlotte;

There is no point in this. For anyone who disagree's or questions you on your statements and/or practices is, of course, part of some group or friends with the expert in question. An ethical "reporter" or "investigation" would not practice what you do.


I will not go back and forth with you. It's quite apparent you have NO evidence against these psychics, readers, empaths, PEOPLE!!! And It's quite apparent that your article will, if submitted to a reputable magazine, will get the boot as it's full of fictious and felonious exaggerations and out and out lies. And it's quite apparent that the person to whom I'm speaking to lacks the forthought and intellect to engage in conversation with any longer. You keep focused. You do what you feel you need to do. No one fears your report, Charlotte. You're a runaway train really on the verge of jumping the tracks.


You know nothing about the people you are writing about. And, your ignorance along with you lack of integrity will be your own downfall.


As I stated, I came here due to things that were said about me. I said what I had to say. I not only felt the need to speak on my behalf, but that of my co-workers on Live Person. And when I read the blatant lies that are posted, I'm in awe.


I've wasted enough time on this, and its quite pointless as it shows the lack of IQ that I'm dealing with. So, in closing, I look forward to reading your so-called "investigation" and I look forward to seeing you in court, Charlotte.

Ambers Light, if you're reading this, don't waste your time acknowledging this woman. It's quite clear we're dealing with someone who is not being forthright and keeps deflecting her "proof". I strongly urge you to move forward with a law suit as she has defamed you and others and someone needs to take a stand.

Aside from that, Charlotte...seek help. You are in desperate need of it.
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OH Look KU and friends come to add their two cents worth

AUTHOR: Charlotte58 - (U.S.A.)

We are writing article on the state of the psychic industry as it is today, for the readers pretending not to be a readers, or the crazy pretending not to crazy who replied to this post. I am so, not interested in what you think or what you say.I mean you know the old saying you are judged by the friends or the company you keep. I think that anybody with a strong moral or ethical belief that real clients deserve to go get psychic readings from real and genuine readers. You would think that any genuine reader would not be opposed to articles on sectioning out the fakes and the frauds, those that are opposed to articles such as the ones we are doing must not have much respect for their clients right to have a real and genuine professional service.

Now Leah, I know I pulled you out on that other article about knowing Robin Bluedragon, even when you said you didn't know him. Whether your a KU member or friends with certain KU members, like I said before people look at people or judge people by the friends or the company they keep. You see to stick up alot for the KU members and their friends, for a person that is not aquainted with them...just an observation. There are only one group of people that are with RB, that are always shouting about proof, prove this, prove that. The people that e-mail us are from this site, who frequent it and have posted but are the real clients. Have you ever heard of a journallist who would break confidentially and put their source out for the wolves. You obviously don't know anything about Journalism or Investigative Reporting. We can hand over the proof of the e-mail complaints we got to the appropriate people. We may also send our findings to a sites like BadPsychics or Gypsy scams, or perhaps we might just send the the e-mails maybe they'd want to do the research themselves, we haven't decided yet

Oh! and the other comment - reader or crazy, if you were really a consumer or client you would be all for an article or articles on 'Fakes and Fraud Readers'.



I'm needed elsewhere, thanks for the posts

Char
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#11 Consumer Comment

Charlotte

AUTHOR: Lucy - (Australia)

I don't know you or Ambers Light, but I'd say after reading your last post, Amber's best response would be to ignore you.
Who are you to demand anyone provide you with proof of anything, and particularly in this forum?
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AUTHOR: Leah - (U.S.A.)

Charlotte, in response to your response to Ambers Light "rant" I do have to say I didn't see her post as any such thing. Not a rant, but a statement. And I've searched this entire site for other postings by Ambers Light and have found none. I'm assuming, and excuse my ignorance here, this is her first post ever on this site.

I'm a bit concerned here because it seems that when someone defends their reputation they are accused as being defensive. Yet when you or others reply that is acceptable? Everyone has a right to defend anything that is defaming them and they have a right to legal counsel to ensure that they are not judged and convicted in a new age witch hunt.

While I applaud your efforts to assist those, and perhaps yourself, in protecting from mental, emotional and financial distress, I do have to question your ethics here. If you're going to compile a list based on complaints, wouldn't it be prudent to not state names of experts you are "investigating" so they are not forwarned and you can "bust" them for unethical and disgusting practices? Wouldn't it be wise to not list names as you could be wrong with some/most of them and the claims against them could possibly be disgruntled clients who were either blocked by an expert or weren't able to continue services with such expert due to something they, the client, might have done? Wouldn't it be wise to not only investigate the expert, but also the client as well? To list experts who have claims against them is your right, however, wouldn't it be beneficial to know just which expert is accused of which practice? I mean to state, "many listed above have allegations of...." and you list spellcasting, dark shadows etc, but just which expert did what? To lump them together, is in itself defamation as you seem to have already brought them to trial, judged, convicted and hung them before your so-called investigation is even complete.

You've thrown out blanket statements without defending them with valid proof. You can't just do that and defame someone's reputation any more than I can make a claim that perhaps a member of your family was a pedophile cuz someone TOLD me he was.....Without proof of such a claim and showing such proof, that is DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER. Anyone can say anything they like, but when called on it, they better have the proof to back it up. And valid proof. I suggest you make sure that while you investigate such experts, you delve into the mental wellbeing of said claimant because I will bet the odds that they are not the most stable.

I've had enough with your deflection of the issue. You are asking Ambers Light to prove herself and you list the proof you want, but with checking with Ambers Light's profile I see that she has never claimed to be a TV or Radio personality, nor has she claimed to be tested by any University...she makes no claims as such, so hence, there is nothing for her to prove as she hasn't made any false qualifications. She clearly states she is an empath.


Secondly. when I sift thru page one on LP site, I see there are three Ambers listed on that site on page ONE alone. And two of the experts, Ambers Light and Ambers Insights are eerily similar. You seriously need to make sure you don't confuse experts or misspell names, or the like.

Thirdly, as I read Ambers Light statement, I see she DEMANDED you prove these allegations and it just seems like instead of addressing her statement YOU were the one, in fact, on a rant. She seems quite serious and I don't think this woman is going to retort back when she see's that you have deflected and twisted your original allegations. I would seriously get in touch with not only a laywer, buy also the editor of said "magazine" because if you are not 100% accurate in your statements, allegations and/or pusblishing of such, you stand to lose a great deal. In my opinion, you've already lost a great deal, and that's character and integrity, by posting such ludicrous statements. You must know, and I hope those who are counting on you know, you are not helping your own cause, you're hurting it. One lie. One wrong allegation. One exaggeration will blow all your hard work out of the water....You will not be heard if you are not forthright. You will not succeed with this complaint if you are not fair.

Be fair. Give Ambers Light the proof she demanded. You rant about how you want people to be accountable, well it starts at home. YOU be accountable. I haven't seen you address one of her questions or concerns with valid proof, and to be honest, I'm curious to see the proof.


It would've been far more ethical of you to refrain from list making where you lump them all together, and if you felt the need to do so, at least list what they have been accused of individually so others who read your post don't think that all of them are guilty of the same offense...don't you think? That is defamation. I'm sorry but it is. You haven't proved it's true, and until you do, this is a serious issue I don't think you're aware of. I honestly, from reading Ambers post, don't think she's kidding, Charlotte. And I, personally, would be very concerned if she doens't respond back to you. I would seriously check with ROR and see they've been contacted by her attorney.

I wish you the best in your endeavor, however, I honestly do not think what you're doing is helping the situation.

Blessings, Lisa
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AUTHOR: Charlotte58 - (U.S.A.)

The research and writing group that I am with received complaints about all the supposed psychics on the list, as I said the first 7 had the most complaints were clients said they weren't psychic. We are investigating this as this has been asked of us Y THESE EX-CLIENTS to see whether there is any fraud or not. From any on the list. I said that 'IF' there was evidence of wrong doing then the findings would include any of the 60 readers, we have had complaints about. If you are a genuine reader then you have nothing to worry about, do you? Most genuine readers wouldn't have even answered to this, they probably would say ' that they have nothing to hide, that they are real genuine readers and for us to investigate all we want cause we wong find any wrong doing' . The majority of readers who had nothing to hide wouldn't come over here and talk about law suits and demanding this, that and the other thing. Do you understand what the word INVESTIGATE means? A definition of the word INVESTIGATE is to RESEARCH, in this case to look into complaints or accusations made against the 60 readers. We are professional in that we are investigating the complaints and accusations made before we publish.

The fact you came here and posted what you did does not make you look better or make you look genuine. IF after all the RESEARCH AND INVESTIGATION is done, we will be publishing our findings in three articles, listing the FRAUDS AND THE GENUINE READERS. Everyone can read back my first post as I suggest you do and you will see that I only ever said that we were INVESTIGATING THE COMPLAINTS AND ACCUSATIONS THAT WERE MADE BY EX-CLIENTS AND EX-KASAMBA PSYCHICS. WE AS A GROUP HAVE NOT MADE THE ACCUSATIONS OR MADE THE COMPLAINTS CLIENTS HAVE, WE ARE MERELY INVESTIGATING AND RESEARCHING THOSE COMPLAINTS FOR ANY TRUTH OR NOT.

IT IS NOT RECKLESS OR FALSE PUBLISHING TO PUBLISH THE TRUTH ON ANY EVIDENCE ON ANY PSYCHIC WE FIND. It is NOT DEFAMATION OF CHARACTER, LIBEL OR SLANDER IF IT CAN BE PROVEN TO BE THE TRUTH.

ANY INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER CAN INVESTIGATE PERSON OR PERSONS FOR MEANS OF AN ARTICLE OR ARTICLES FOR ANY MAGAZINE, NEWSPAPER OR WEBSITE. WE NOR I, NEVER SAID WE WERE A LEGAL BODY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU GOT THAT FROM, AND IF YOU ARE ON A TOP LIST THEN WHICH ORGANISATION, MAGAZINE OR NEWSPAPER TESTED YOUR ACCURACY FOR THIS LIST. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO GIVE ME THE NAME OF THE MEDIA OUTLET OR THE ORGANISATION THAT TESTED YOU FOR THIS TOP LIST THEN IT MAY GO TO PROVE THAT YOU ARE INNOCENT OF THESE ALLIGATIONS.

IF IT CAN BE PROOVED THAT YOU HAVE BEEN TESTED FOR PSYCHIC ABILITY BY ANY PSYCHICAL ASSOCIATION OR GROUP THAT ALSO WOULD BE SOLID EVIDENCE OF YOUR ABILITY AND THAT THESE COMPLAINTS ARE FALSE.

ALSO IN THE FIRST POST I MENTIONED 800 COMPLAINTS THAT INCLUDED THE 20 PSYCHICS MENTIONED. OF WHICH YOU WERE ONE OF THEM, I ALSO SAID THAT SOME AND WHEN I SAY SOME I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND THE FULL MEANING OF THE WORD SOME, I SAID SOME SOLD SPELLS THAT DIDNT WORK. I DID NOT SINGLE YOU OUT AS A SPELL CASTER, SO YOU SHOULD READ POSTS CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU POST REPLIES

OUR INVESTIGATION WILL CONTINUE AND WHEN WE INVESTIGATE THESE COMPLAINTS FULLY WE WILL LET YOU KNOW OUR FINDINGS BEFORE THEY ARE PUBLISHED. IF YOU ARE A GENUINE PSYCHIC THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT DO YOU?


NOW IF YOU COULD PROVIDE US WITH THE FOLLOWING:


1.THE NAME OF A REPUTABLE PSYCHIC ASSOCIATION THAT TESTED YOU ON YOUR ABILITIES TO APPEAR ON A TOP SEVEN PSYCHIC LIST.

2.THE NAME OF ANY MAGAZINE, NEWSPAPER OR BROADCAST COMPANY THAT HAS HAD YOU ON DOING READINGS, OR HAS PUBLISHED ARTICLES ON YOUR PSYCHIC ABILITIES.

3.WHICH BROADCAST OR RADIO COMPANY OFFLINE HAD YOU ON DOING READINGS FOR THE PUBLIC

4.ANY PSYCHICAL ASSOCIATION YOU BELONG TO AS A CERITIFIED TESTED MEMEMBER. YOUR MEMBER NUMBER AND THE DATE YOU WERE TESTED.

ALSO WE'D LIKE THE NAME OR ANY OTHER REPUTABLE PSYCHIC COMPANY THAT YOU READ FOR WHERE YOU HAVE BEEN TESTED BY THE COMPANY TO READ ON THEIR SITE. THEN IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO NAME ANY PUBLISHER OTHER THAN THE VANITY PRESS PUBLISH AMERICA THAT HAS PUBLISHED ANY BOOKS YOU HAVE AUTHORED WOULD ALSO BE GOOD EVIDENCE OF REAL PSYCHIC ABILITIES.

THIS WOULD BE MOST HELPFUL IN OUR INVESTIGATION

WE WILL LET YOU KNOW ANYTHING WE FIND OUT, THANKS SO MUCH FOR YOUR POST

Char
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Charlotte58 and Readers of this Report!

AUTHOR: Ambers Light - (U.S.A.)

To: Charlotte58
From: Amber's Light (Live Person)
Re: Rebuttal to ROR # 383338, dated October 21, 2008

This morning, I learned that I was named in a report filed by you on the Rip Off Report website and I must say that I am not only amazed by what I read, but am considering legal action against you, Charlotte58, personally, for knowingly and/or recklessly publishing false and defamatory information about me in your complaint.


Specifically, my name appears on a list you willfully published and then identify me as one of the first 7 (I am listed as #4 on that list) who had the most complaints not only for fraud, but for harassment, trying to frighten clients with words like you got an evil spirit around you (sic), or a dark entity is the reason your life is bad, (sic) then there's the one about someone putting a curse on the client and a spell will rid you of your problems'(sic). Clients were also told about paying for special prayers, candles and spells to get rid of certain situations. Additionally, you claim that some unnamed group (that includes you) has been asked by some unnamed individuals to investigate for fraud. From this, I assume that you have no actual legal authority to conduct any such investigation but are engaged in a smear campaign under the guise of public service. You further confirm this point by stating that those who are found out to be frauds you write up an article on the fraud psychic and their fraudulent practices and give to our media outlet for publishing. From this it is clear that you are not interested in investigating fraud (which, by the way, is a law enforcement function) but are more interested in committing the same so-called fraud on the unsuspecting public by threatening to write reports against unsuspecting advisors and have them published by some media outlet, thereby engaging in the same intimidating, harassing and threatening conduct that you claim the listed individuals have engaged in. Oh yes, before I forget, any credible media outlet will demand corroboration and verification from at least 2 independent sources before publishing any such report you prepare, lest they be accused of libel for publishing false reports.


Given the charges you have leveled against me (since I am on that list of the infamous top 7) I DEMAND that you immediately provide me with documented proof of these so-called charges in the form of the following: a copy of each e-mail (and not an excerpted/redacted version) that you claim has been written about me, which includes the name of the author of the e-mail, their e-mail address , Kasamba/Live Person screen name, the date and time of the alleged reading and the actual transcript of the session purporting to substantiate your claims. Keep in mind that I have a transcript of EVERY READING that I have ever conducted on Kasamba or Live Person (from July 2004 to the present) and that your purported facts can be easily disputed. You should also know that Kasamba/Live Person has a mechanism for clients to file complaints directly with Live Person. I am very proud to say that from July 2004 through today, I have never been the subject of any client complaints on either Kasamba or Live Person (in fact, I have an extremely high rating of 4.99 out of 5 with 5895 ratings as of today.) I pride myself on being honest, ethical and fair and resent any implication that I am less than that.


For the record, I have never committed what you term as fraud, nor have I ever offered to perform spells and will never offer to perform spells for any client. Furthermore, I have never engaged in threatening, harassing or intimidating conduct of any kind, nor have I ever told any client that they have evil spirits around them, had a curse around them or that a spell would rid them of their problems. While I cannot and will not speak for the conduct of the other advisors named on your list, I can state with absolute certainty that I am not guilty of the conduct you have attributed to me and that I absolutely resent your accusations and demand that you either provide concrete proof to substantiate your allegations or retract your statements as they relate to me.
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