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  • Submitted: Tue, May 09, 2006
  • Updated: Wed, August 09, 2006

  • Reported By:Jackson New Jersey
Legal Steroids.com
Legalsteroids.com Nationwide U.S.A.

Legal Steroidslegal Steroids.com totally fake. Ripoff They can produce no positive test results to me Internet

*Consumer Comment: Thanks for adding something worthwhile

*Consumer Comment: Interesting "drugs" discussion but what is the point?

*Consumer Suggestion: And I suppose female bodybuilders are all natural.....

*Author of original report: List of banned substances

*Author of original report: Can you believe that

*Author of original report: Does anyone see where this guy has a point?

*Consumer Comment: Try actually staying on topic Pabbie, just once!

*Consumer Comment: Try actually staying on topic Pabbie, just once!

*Consumer Comment: Try actually staying on topic Pabbie, just once!

*Consumer Comment: Try actually staying on topic Pabbie, just once!

*Consumer Comment: What does Chris Cormier have to do with anything!

*Consumer Suggestion: Robbie is hazardous for your health

*Consumer Comment: If you want to claim your injuries are from brain trauma, good luck. Post the Medical Diagnosis for your condition.

*Consumer Comment: Just thought you'd like to know something, Joseph

*Author of original report: SDI labs Robert

*Author of original report: SDI labs

*Consumer Suggestion: Been screwed by SDI labs

*Consumer Comment: You're still just too funny, Joseph

*Author of original report: SDI labs Legalsteroids.com

*Author of original report: SDI labs Legalsteroids.com

*Author of original report: SDI labs Legalsteroids.com

*Author of original report: SDI labs

*Consumer Comment: Words have meanings

*Author of original report: Knew he'd be back.

*Consumer Comment: More of the same from Joseph

*Consumer Comment: More of the same from Joseph

*Consumer Comment: More of the same from Joseph

*Author of original report: Big veins?

*Author of original report: Not that I'll buy them

*Consumer Comment: You are amazing to say the least

*Author of original report: Obvously from SDI, Fizogen or legal steroids

*Author of original report: FDA notified 06/03/06

*Author of original report: Yeah,okay Robert

*Consumer Comment: I guess I cannot help myself...it's the masochist in me

*Author of original report: Sorry,can't stay away

*Consumer Comment: I'm done with you too, Joseph

*Consumer Suggestion: Here we go again with Robert and his facts from Mars

*Consumer Comment: Is that a midget class of lifting?

*Consumer Comment: Oh yeah dude without a clue

*Consumer Comment: That was wonderful

*Author of original report: legal fakroids

*Author of original report: Notice to consumers reading the first rebuttal

*Author of original report: Troy

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*Author of original report: Troy

*Author of original report: Troy

*Consumer Comment: I'll answer each question for you Troy

*Consumer Comment: Sorry, I have a hard time believing that.

*Consumer Comment: Sorry, I have a hard time believing that.

*Author of original report: One educated response for now

*Consumer Comment: You guys crack me up

*Consumer Comment: You beat me to it Joseph

*Author of original report: Rebuttal to rebuttal

*Author of original report: Rebuttal to rebuttal

*Author of original report: Rebuttal to rebuttal

*Consumer Suggestion: What did you think the stuff was going to do?

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This company makes all kinds of wild claims about their products effectiveness. But when asked for proof they could provide none. The website contains blatently false advertising. The products are not steroids at all. not even close. Don't believe that there is a money back guarentee. Somewhere in some abscure corner of the site it says you must return half of the product and pay for shipping. I used my bank to revoke the money from them. Skip this step altogether an don't order any of their products. There are numerous references on the web about the ineffectiveness of the products. Simply type in the name of one of their product and go to forums. I hope this information is not too specific that it can't show up in the report.

Joseph
Jackson, New Jersey
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Thanks for adding something worthwhile

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

I read Thomas's rebuttal. It contains many good points. It seems that some intelligent life has found this post. All but one users remarks contain pertinant information regarding this post. Thomas is not the only one who's presented a good point but I'm pretty sure I thanked everyone else who did.

I choose to stay in shape and be strong not for monetary gain but for my own pride. I have a place online that I buy everything now and the prices are about 40% of the stores. I can justify that expense to be happier about myself. I received only trophies from my power lifting competitions and never money. The trophies are in a storage unit because I don't need to decorate my house with paraphernalia attesting my acconplishments. Everyone who knows me has seen what I'm capable of or was in the past.
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#2 Consumer Comment

Interesting "drugs" discussion but what is the point?

AUTHOR: Thomas - (U.S.A.)

Is this use of drug enhancement all strictly about your personal satisfaction from recreational bodybuilding? Or do you earn a better living by spending so much time popping pills and weight lifting because you run gyms and market your gym by presenting yourselves as the "after" to your prospects?

Landis may loose his Tour de France victory because he tested positive for synthetic testosterone. If this charge sticks, I think Landis' competitive cycling career is finished. Blowing your career and livlihood by trying to win using drug enhancement is definitely playing for high stakes.

MLB has not yet shown the same intolerance for competitors' use of drug enhancement as has the international cycling federation but in time I think all sporting programs will disqualify all competitors for resorting to drug enhancement.

Which leads to the question: Why bother? Is the purpose strictly for recreational bodybuilding and/or other non-competitive "sports"? Never mind any possible long term health impacts.....ann all drugs pose possible long term health impacts.

And b/t/w start reading the ingredients in ALL of the foods you buy and eat VERY carefully. Soy suppresses testosterone production in men (and probably women too, I suspect, and testosterone at 10% of the level found in men is what gives women "interest" in men....think about THAT) so avoid eating ANYTHING with soy oil, soy meal, soy-anything. Read those bread labels, cracker labels, breakfast cereal labels (example: Kellogs Prod-19), salad dressing, soft tub margarine (Example: Land O' Lakes) and so on. If you avoid all products containing soy in any form you may not have so great a need for those "Test Boosters".
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And I suppose female bodybuilders are all natural.....

AUTHOR: Pablo - (U.S.A.)

eh, robbie. With their deep, baritone voices they proclaim they only use the gym available, over the counter muscle building powders. Yeah, right. But I'm sure our robbie will be here telling us his 200 lb ripped wife got that way using the snake oils robbie uses. Or that the 250 lb behemoth at the plate during his homerun feast Mark Mcguire did that with a chocolate flavored drink. Seen him lately? He went from 250 to about 170 getting off that junk. Anybody with two functioning brain cells understands that no one gets past the natural growth limits of the human body without some bigtime unnatural boosters.
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#4 Author of original report

List of banned substances

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

International Natural Bodybuilding Association (INBA)
World Leader in Natural Bodybuilding & Fitness

Click Here for Anti-Doping Rules and Regulations


Banned Substances & Policies

The following products are banned from the International Olympic Committee (IOC)
and the ABA/INBA/PNBA

This is not a complete list, as new products are introduced every day!

Natural Drug Free Requirements

All competitors must be drug free for amount of time allocated for the competition they are in- National and International Events have a minimum of five years drug free, unless stipulated differently. Drug testing is to conform to IOC regulated Standards.

Once your entry form is received you will be contacted to verify your appointment time for the polygraph test.

You must obtain two characters references attesting that you have been drug free depending on amount of time allocated for the competition.
You will be required to pay for your polygraph test. All overall winners will be required to take a urine test.

This includes all performance enhancing "drugs" that are on the IOC banned list.

All athletes must pass a polygraph test every 60 days (if they are competing) and also pass a mandatory urine test (division winners only).
We will also conduct random drug testing at each event as well as random testing to all members of the Natural Teams throughout the year.
Random drug testing for Team members will begin January 1st, 1999 and we will conduct a minimum of 1-2 tests per month.

If an athlete tests positive for a banned substance they will be suspended from competing for a minimum of two years (However, they are banned from all regional, national and international events for a period of five (5) years.)

Any member of the Natural Teams that is found experimenting with a banned substance will be banned from the team for life. The athlete suspension begins immediately upon receipt of a positive test. The athlete has the right to appeal the decision, however, the suspension remains in effect until either the "B" sample confirms or refutes the findings or a meeting is held by the representatives of the local federation and the International committee where the case may be appealed. Once a final ruling is made by the local and International INBA committee, then there is no second appeal.. In the case of an inaccurate reading on the polygraph test they will be obliged to undergo a urine test with a final decision pending a meeting of the INBA Committee."

Be advised that among the banned substances are ephedrine and its derivatives, DHEA and Andro and all of its derivatives. It is your responsibility to be aware of the substances that are on the banned list. Ignorance is not an excuse.

Official Banned Substances :

The following is a non-exhaustive list of banned and/or restricted substances. Please very with the appropriate IOC regulated body for a complete and up-to-date listing.

I. DOPING CLASSES

A. Stimulants

amiphenazole
amphetamines
amineptine
cocaine
ephedrine
fencamfamine
mesocarb
pentylentetrazol
pipradol
salbutamol & terbutaline (are permitted by inhaler only and must be declared to the relevant medical authority.)
NOTE: All imidazole preparations are acceptable for topical use, e.g. oxymetazoline. Vasoconstrictors (e.g. adrenaline) may be administered with local anesthetic agents. Topical preparations (e.g. nasal, ophthalmologic) of Phenylephrine are permitted.

B. Narcotic analgesics

dextromoramide
dextropropoxyphene
diamorphine
methadone
morphine
pentazocine
pethidine
.... and related substances

NOTE: Codeine, Dextromethorphan, Dihydrocodeine, Diphenoxylate and Pholcodine are permitted.

C. Anabolic agents

The Anabolic class includes anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS) and Beta-2 Agonists.

1.Anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS)

The AAS class includes testosterone and substances that are related in structure and activity to it. They have been misused in sport to increase muscle strength bulk, and to promote aggressiveness.

Some examples of AAS are:

clostebol
fluoxymesterone
metandienone
metenolone
nandrolone
oxandrolone
stanozolol
testosterone *
... and related substances

Note: The administration of testosterone is banned. The presence of a testosterone (T) to epitestosterone (E) ratio greater than six (6) to one (1) in the urine of a competitor constitutes an offense unless there is evidence that this ratio is due to a physiological or pathological condition, e.g. low epitestosterone excretion, androgen production by tumor, enzyme deficiencies.

2.Beta-2 Agonists

Some examples of beta-2 Agonists are:

clenbuterol
salbutamol
terbutaline
saimeterol
fenoterol
.... and related substances

D. Diuretics

Some examples of diuretics are:

acetazolamide
bumetanide
chlorthalidone
ethacrynic acid
furosemide
hydrochlorothiazide
mannitol
mersalyl
spironolactone
triamterene
.... and related substances

E. Peptide and Glycoprotein hormones and analogues

1.Chorionic Gonadotrophin (HCG - human chorionic Gonadotrophin)

2.Corticotropin (ACTH)

3.Growth hormone (HGH, somatropin)

4.Erythrorpoietin (EPO)

and related substances

II. METHODS

A. Blood doping

B. Pharmacological, chemical and physical manipulation

( The responsible authorities ban the use of substances and of methods that alter the integrity and validity of urine samples used in doping controls. Examples of banned methods are catheterization, urine substitution and/or tampering, inhibition of renal excretion. e.g. by probenecid and related compounds, and epitestosterone administration.)

III. CLASSES OF DRUGS SUBJECT TO CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS

C. Local anesthetics

Injectable local anesthetics are permitted under the following conditions:

(a) that bupivacaine, lidocaine, mepivacaine, procaine etc. are used but not cocaine.

Vasoconstrictor agents (e.g. adrenaline) may be used in conjunction with local aesthetics.

(b) only local or intra-articular injections may be administered;

(c) only when medically justified (i.e. the details including diagnosis, dose and route of

administration must be submitted immediately in writing to the relevant medical authority.

D. Corticosteroids

The use of Corticosteroids is banned except

(a) for topical use (aural, opthalmological and dermatogical) but not rectal;

(b) by inhalation;

(c) by intra-articular or local injection.

E. Beta-blockers

Some examples of beta-blockers are:

acebutalol
alprenolol
atenolof
labetalol
metoprolol
nadolol
oxprenolol
propranolol
sotalol
.... and related substances

EXPANDED LIST OF EXAMPLES

Caution: This is not an exhaustive list of banned substances. It is provided only to give the reader a more comprehensive list of banned substances. Many substances that do not appear on this expanded list are considered banned under the term "and related substances".

A. Stimulants

amfepramone metamfetamine

amineptine methoxyphenamine

amfetamine methylendioxyamfetamine

cathine methylephedrine

cropropamide nikethamide

crotetamide norphenfluramine

etamivan parahydroxyamfetamine

etilamfetamine pemoline

etilefrine phendimetrazine

fencamfamin phentermine

fenetylline phenylpropanolamine

fenfluramine pholedrine

heptaminol prolintane

mefenorex propylhexedrine

mephentermine pseudoephedrine

mesocarb salbutamol

strychnine

B. Narcotics

dextropropoxyphene

ethylmorphine

hydrocodone

morphine

pentazocine

pethidine

propoxyphene

C. Anabolic Agents

(1)Anabolic steroids

(2)Beta2-agonists

boldenone metenolone

clenbuterol methandriol

clostebol methyltestosterone

danazol mibolerone

dehydrochlormethyltest nandrolone

dihydrotestosterone norethandrolone

drostanolone oxandrolone

fluoxymesterone oxymesterone

formebolone oxymetholone

Insulin stanozolol

metandienone testosterone

trenbolone

Winstrol


I don't see any of the things that SDI sells. If they caused any of the things to happen that they say it would be considered a performance enhancer and would be banned by the IOC.USA powerlifting even bans the use of DHEA and Pregnenolone due to the effects of these substances on test to epitest urine test results. They can also be used to hide the use of Nandrolone (Deca Durobolin).

The fact of the matter is anything causing an un natural rise in testoserone causes the body to stop secreting lutinizing hormone and halts test production and causes tesicular atrophy. Trib claims to aid in the release LH but failed every controlled clinical test
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#5 Author of original report

Can you believe that

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

He's telling someone else to stay on topic. He spends more time trying to discredit me than showing any proof pertaining to this post. Why don't you go on the internet and find some proof in the form of peer reviewed clinical research. Because you can't on anything like a test booster. Even andro was removed from the market by the FDA and it only had a potential for a 5.6% conversion to test. Yeah creatine has lots of clinical proof as does whey protein and glutamine.

I read one study where trib failed all tests and caused a decrease in performance.That was the original topic.That these things don't work.Only the select few mentioned have any clinical support.So why don't you stay on topic? Clinical tests from Bulgaria on trib are not recognized by the scientific community because of the lack of a control group. Same goes for ecdysterone and bioperene. Bioperene comes from black pepper. Wow pepper is anabolic?
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#6 Author of original report

Does anyone see where this guy has a point?

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

The resulting injuries where caused by a blood infection that went to my extremities and required amputation to save my life.

The infection came from complications due to aspiration.The doctors were unable to stem the infection with the use of antibiotics.

I can still type because I'm not a wannabe muscle head idiot like you.I still have enough left to type with.I have a full pinky and thumb on my left hand and some remnants everywhere.

I've explained this before but you're so stupid that you forgot.Stop huffing gas.
I still work out very hard and I'll compete and win again some day.Yeah win.I've done that plenty of tiomes before. All you can do is post the winnings of some juice head to whom you have no affiliation. Go wash your hands Robert,you're getting grease all over the keyboard.The jury has deliberated and decided you're an idiot with nothing constructive to say.

I was going to give you a link for a site to learn more about supps but Napoleonic idiot placebo effect returned no search results.Sorry.Why don't you go win something and then come back.Noone on this site takes you seriously anyway.You're just mad because your tiny little shop has been reported to ROR.
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#7 Consumer Comment

Try actually staying on topic Pabbie, just once!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Also, try refuting ANYTHING I have stated. Don't change my words. Refute my EXACT quotes.

You cannot. And as such, you just blather on about things you know nothing about.

On topic...creatine works. Tribulus works. The "test" booster I use works. The vitamin stack I use works. The fatburner I use works. In fact, everything I take works.

Some of us do our homework and research the products we use. I went through a dozen different "stacks" before I found the right combo. Everyone is different, and what works for one person, may not work for another.

You claim they stuff is all snake oil. That's brilliant. The mere fact that NOBODY gets as huge as the guys doing professional bodybuilding naturally, is obvious proof the stuff doesn't work. Right Pabbie? What a dolt!

Living inside the Beltway has really damaged your brain. Then again, you are from the city that re-elected a convicted FELON, and CRACKHEAD for Mayor. Way to go. I'm sure you're proud. Why not? Marion Barry is just like his constituents.

Your posts prove it.
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#8 Consumer Comment

Try actually staying on topic Pabbie, just once!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Also, try refuting ANYTHING I have stated. Don't change my words. Refute my EXACT quotes.

You cannot. And as such, you just blather on about things you know nothing about.

On topic...creatine works. Tribulus works. The "test" booster I use works. The vitamin stack I use works. The fatburner I use works. In fact, everything I take works.

Some of us do our homework and research the products we use. I went through a dozen different "stacks" before I found the right combo. Everyone is different, and what works for one person, may not work for another.

You claim they stuff is all snake oil. That's brilliant. The mere fact that NOBODY gets as huge as the guys doing professional bodybuilding naturally, is obvious proof the stuff doesn't work. Right Pabbie? What a dolt!

Living inside the Beltway has really damaged your brain. Then again, you are from the city that re-elected a convicted FELON, and CRACKHEAD for Mayor. Way to go. I'm sure you're proud. Why not? Marion Barry is just like his constituents.

Your posts prove it.
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#9 Consumer Comment

Try actually staying on topic Pabbie, just once!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Also, try refuting ANYTHING I have stated. Don't change my words. Refute my EXACT quotes.

You cannot. And as such, you just blather on about things you know nothing about.

On topic...creatine works. Tribulus works. The "test" booster I use works. The vitamin stack I use works. The fatburner I use works. In fact, everything I take works.

Some of us do our homework and research the products we use. I went through a dozen different "stacks" before I found the right combo. Everyone is different, and what works for one person, may not work for another.

You claim they stuff is all snake oil. That's brilliant. The mere fact that NOBODY gets as huge as the guys doing professional bodybuilding naturally, is obvious proof the stuff doesn't work. Right Pabbie? What a dolt!

Living inside the Beltway has really damaged your brain. Then again, you are from the city that re-elected a convicted FELON, and CRACKHEAD for Mayor. Way to go. I'm sure you're proud. Why not? Marion Barry is just like his constituents.

Your posts prove it.
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#10 Consumer Comment

Try actually staying on topic Pabbie, just once!

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Also, try refuting ANYTHING I have stated. Don't change my words. Refute my EXACT quotes.

You cannot. And as such, you just blather on about things you know nothing about.

On topic...creatine works. Tribulus works. The "test" booster I use works. The vitamin stack I use works. The fatburner I use works. In fact, everything I take works.

Some of us do our homework and research the products we use. I went through a dozen different "stacks" before I found the right combo. Everyone is different, and what works for one person, may not work for another.

You claim they stuff is all snake oil. That's brilliant. The mere fact that NOBODY gets as huge as the guys doing professional bodybuilding naturally, is obvious proof the stuff doesn't work. Right Pabbie? What a dolt!

Living inside the Beltway has really damaged your brain. Then again, you are from the city that re-elected a convicted FELON, and CRACKHEAD for Mayor. Way to go. I'm sure you're proud. Why not? Marion Barry is just like his constituents.

Your posts prove it.
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#11 Consumer Comment

What does Chris Cormier have to do with anything!

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

Yeah,this guy got huge because of some cheap grade supplements.He and evey other pro body builder in the world spends an estimated 50,000 dollars a year on illegal steroid,growth factor,growth hormone and insulin.Is this the best you can come up with?You probably weigh yourself after work to see if the grease stuck underneath your nails made you gain weight.Nice one Napoleon.You now hold the record for mosr cosecutive sensless rebuttals and least intelligent content within.I won't even try to take that title from you Robert.But now at least you have one.You also get the cookie for the dumbest reference to a physiological anomoly.Enlarged veins.I'll tell you one more time it's dilation of the blood vessels or vasodilation.I thought you were going to make a point here.I guess you did already but not the one you wanted.Now it appears everyone knows about you.Next time don't jump out of line on the evolutionary chain.You lost your spot.
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#12 Consumer Suggestion

Robbie is hazardous for your health

AUTHOR: Pablo - (U.S.A.)

Most of the bodybuilder stuff legally sold contains stimulants that can dramatically increase your heart rate. Steriods are not legal in any form. Gyms sell snake oil to fools like robbie for the psychoschematic effect. Robbie thinks hes a bigger man taking the inert powder so gyms are happy to sell it to suckers like him. Funny how robbie's posts get wildly longer when he's refuted by an intelligent, knowledgable poster. I've never seen this guy ever acknowledge that he was wrong or foolish. But thats simply because robbie is never wrong. Seems this grease monkey wants to be a grease gorilla! LOL. Things must be slow down in the grease pits again, eh, robbie. Now go play on the monkey bars .
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#13 Consumer Comment

If you want to claim your injuries are from brain trauma, good luck. Post the Medical Diagnosis for your condition.

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Another thing, Joseph

Terri Schiavo never lost any pieces. She went from perfectly normal person, to comatose, to vegetative, to brain dead. During this entire episode with her(many years), she never had any problems with blood circulation. This is because her body was never exposed to freezing cold. Without that stimulus, the blood will continue to circulate throughout the entire system.

For those who don't understand the issue, your circulatory system is controlled by your Medulla Oblongata. That's in the lower section of the brain(the stem), and controls ALL of your autonomic functions. These include breathing, digesting, heartbeat, nervous system, RESTRICTION OF BLOOD VESSELS DUE TO FREEZING, swallowing, bowel movements, ejaculation, menstration, birthing labor, etc.

This is why you can hold your breath until you pass out, then start breathing immediately. Try making your heart stop. Try making your blood vessels constrict. It can be damaged by a hard blow to it. This is the reason the "rabbit punch" is illegal in ALL contact sports. This is also the reason nature placed it where it is generally considered "safe" from hazard. It is located in the back of the neck, NOT the head. Since Joseph claims to have been injured from a punch to his head, this removes the Medulla Oblongata from the issue. His awesome skills as a Powerlifting-Karate-Boxer must have alerted him to the danger, so he instinctively protected it. Good for you, Joseph. Quick on your feet.

And to have gained 100 pounds in the hospital is amazing. I always heard the food was awful, but apparently it's quite the cuisine.

If you want to claim your injuries are from brain trauma, good luck. Post the Medical Diagnosis for your condition. Terri is the perfect example of why you cannot keep your story straight. So far, nothing you have said stays the same from one post to the next. Football used to be played without helmets. Rugby still is. The players may get injured, but so far, none have lost their digits. What changes are you going to make for that one?

Personally, I do not believe that is you in the pics. The guy in the pics, has none of the physical traits you claim to posess. I'd get fat and sloppy if I stopped training too. It would take about 2 years though, not overnight. If you were knocked out on day 1, you'd be in the hospital the same day. The pics are from a hospital. The hospital would not let the shown injuries continue for months. They would amputate ASAP so as to prevent Gangrene. You'd be out of the hospital in a few weeks. That's still not enough time to gain that weight. If you were in perfect shape until this incident(as you claim), that CANNOT be you in the pics. You see Joseph, your stories are just too simple to tear apart.

I think you just make stuff up and post it. The fact your stories change as soon as someone points out the flaws in them, proves this. I believe you are just looking for attention.

BTW, how do you type?
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#14 Consumer Comment

Just thought you'd like to know something, Joseph

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Chris "The Real Deal" Cormier has been released from the hospital he was in for the last two months. He injured himself while overdoing it in the weight room. Along with his "wristband", he also has a string of CONFIRMABLE trophies and competition "places".



These include:



2004 Australia Pro Invitational - 2nd place

2004 Arnold Classic - 2nd place

2003 Australia Pro Invitational - 1st place

2003 San Francisco Pro Invitational - 2nd place

2003 Arnold Classic - 2nd place

2002 San Francisco Pro Invitational - 2nd place

2002 Arnold Schwarzenegger - 2nd

2002 Grand Prix Holland - 2nd

2002 2002 Grand Prix England - 3rd

2002 AUSTRALIA PRO INVITATIONAL - 1st

2002 AUSTRIAN GRAND PRIX - 1st

2002 SAN FRANCISCO GRAND PRIX - 2nd

2002 IFBB Arnold Classic - 2nd

2002 IRONMAN PRO INVITATIONAL - 1st

2001 New Zealand Grand Prix - 2nd

2001 British Grand Prix - 2nd

2001 Mr. Olympia - 6th

2001 AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX - 1st

2001 European Pro Championships - 2nd

2001 Arnold Classic - 2nd

2001 SAN FRANCISCO GRAND PRIX - 1st

2001 IRONMAN PRO INVITATIONAL - 1st

2000 Arnold Classic - 2nd

2000 IRONMAN PRO INVITATIONAL - 1st

1999 Mr. Olympia - IFBB, 3rd

1999 Ironman Pro Invitational - IFBB 1st, Overall

1999 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 3rd

1997 Mr. Olympia 8th

1997 Night of Champions 1st

1997 Canada Pro 3rd

1996 Mr. Olympia 7th

1995 Grand Prix Russia 5th

1995 Grand Prix Germany 4th

1995 Grand Prix France 5th

1995 Grand Prix Ukraine 4th

1995 Grand Prix England 5th

1995 Grand Prix Spain 4th

1995 Mr. Olympia 6th

1995 Night of Champions 4th

1994 Ironman Pro 2nd

1994 Arnold Classic 4th

1994 Mr. Olympia 6th



Gee, I wonder if he knows all the supplements he takes are useless. I guess he also doesn't have your skills at not getting injured. Like I said before, if you don't push, you don't move.



I'm still waiting for your dates/places/ANYTHING that shows you ever did anything you claim.



I have another question. This were your EXACT quotes weren't they?:"I do lift weights very hard", "I only wish I could face you in my other sport, Full contact karate for World Oyama and boxing under a pro boxer who defeated Leon Spinks in his first pro fight ten years ago.", "I squat 505lbs at competition depth", "And I win powerlfting contests", etc, etc.



I already pointed out what a fraud you truly are earlier in this thread, but you showed yourself up when you posted the pics of yourself(or someone) in a hospital. I knew you full of crap, but I didn't realize how big the holding tank was. The guy in that pic weighs over 250, and it's pure lard. The best part is the injured parts...fingers and toes. How do you do Powerlifting, Karate, and Boxing without any? You said they were amputated. Wait, you did answer that...you admitted you were lieing all along about DOING anything.



Of course, you never did answer the question of how someone with your amazing skills in martial arts, pugilism, and a body that just intimidates people could get dropped like a brick by one punch? I guess its sort of like how you had to admit you had your sister set up a date site account for you, after claiming you knew nothing about it. You were just making stuff up. You claim you were put out of action in late 2005, and started up with all your wild stories in mid 2006. Of course, you also claim you don't read my posts, yet you respond directly to them trying to refute what I say. That doesn't work, so you just spin it like some others. You're just too fun.



Now, let's get back to the pics. You say you weigh 165. Is that the upper half, or lower half of that blob laying in bed? I know...another lie. You really cannot help yourself, can you? Could you explain how being hit in the head gave you frostbite? There is no possible head injury that causes your fingers and toes to turn black, and need to be amputated. ONE thing does...frostbite. I saw lots of it in the Marines. The brain does not casually determine which body parts will recieve blood circulation, and the injuries in the pics are from no circulation...frostbite. It happens when your freezing. The body tries to contain it's core temp by restricting bloodflow to the extremities. Your brain doesn't do this on it's own, it's a natural stimulus response to freezing cold.



If there is no reason to restrict the blood vessels, it will not happen. The nerve endings in your skin determine when this will begin. Not just one section, the size of a man's fist, but the whole body. How about giving us all, the official medical description for this astounding case. I have been busy looking, and asking REAL Doctors, and so far, none of them have any idea. Infact, I had a friend look at your pics and he had the same opinion as me...frostbite. He was a Navy Corpman for 20 years. I'd trust his medical opinion any day.



I trust nothing you say, from your present day claims to doing major physical competition, to having no knowledge of how a date site got all of your information, to how a punch to the noggin caused your fingers to fall off. It's amazing this injury has NEVER happened to any Boxer, Kickboxer, Martial Artist, Stunt Man, Human Cannonball, Steve-o, Johnny Knoxville, anyone, EVER.



How about it Joseph? Give us the medical definition of your case.
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SDI labs Robert

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

How many more do you need to see? Obviously the placebo affect applies only to you who puts on inches with this stuff.You're lying as bad as their ads. I think I'll write SDI another e mail. Just about every time I do Robert shows up with another nonsensical rebuttal. I miss him because I know someone who is trying to lose weight.I just show him one of his posts and he immediately vomits.

The Name Game



First, let's play the name game. SDI-Labs sells Winni-V, D-Bol, Equipose, Masterbolan, Liquid Anodrol, Sustenol 250, Deca Nor 50, Somatroph HGH, and GHB among a few other items. Do those names look familiar? They should, because they're either very close to the names of popular steroids or they're based on slang terms for steroids or other compounds.



For example, they sell Equipose. The real steroid is called Equipoise. They also sell a product called Sustenol 250. Of course, the real Testosterone product is called Sustenon 250. And don't think you're getting stanazolol when you buy Winni-V. The real product is called Winstrol V and "winni" is only a slang term. Same goes for D-Bol. This is not Dianabol (methandrostenolone). Apparently they just called it "D-Bol" and got a copyright on the name. (Another company did that with the name "ECA Stack" in hopes of luring in customers.)



Gee, maybe I should start buying oregano in 55-gallon drums and get the copyright on the name Pot. I could start a website, take out some ads way in the back of MuscleMag and High Times and be the king of Pot. All the Potheads would love me (until they tried it) and I'd make a ton of dough! (You know, if I were a dishonest bottomfeeder, I'd be making a lot more money. Damn these morals! Damn this sense of right and wrong!)



So what's in this stuff anyway since it's obviously not real gear? Well, mainly different kinds of andro supplements, ephedra and caffeine. For example, their D-Bol product contains 100mg of 19-Norandrostenedione and 100mg of 4-Androstenediol (plus a few inconsequential things) and sells for 80 bucks a bottle. (About seven day's worth if used at full dosage.)



"Winni-V" contains 25mg of 19-Norandrostenedione, 110mg B-Cyclodextrin, plus a minimal amount of caffeine and Mahuang (herbal ephedrine). What they've done here is add a little Mahuang and caffeine to the "steroids" that are known for a hardening effect.



Their topical Liquid Anodrol product (made to sound like the steroid Anadrol) contains 100mg of 19-Norandrostenedione and 100mg of 4-Androstenediol. The price? $110 a bottle. And even though this is a topical product, for some reason it comes with a funky looking syringe thingy. I haven't quite figured that part out yet.



And how about that GHB stuff? They didn't change the spelling there, did they? No they didn't. Real GHB (gamma hydroxy butyrate) has been banned actually. Most people liked to use it as a party drug or a relaxant. Real GHB basically made you sleepy and somewhat euphoric. It became known as a "date rape drug" in some circles, hence the ban. So how is SDI-Labs selling it? They aren't, of course.



The ads for "GHB" promise "incredible desire increase, prolonged arousal, and enhanced climax." What's in it? Nothing but 5mg of Yohimbine and 50mg of 4-Androstenediol. The really pathetic part is they give dosage guidelines for women, who of course should stay away from all andro-type products. By the way, the web site makes this note: "GHB is a pending a Trademark of SDI-LABS." (See, that Pot idea could work!) And yes, SDI-Labs does come out and say that this product doesn't contain real GHB ingredients, if you read the site close enough.



Most of the other products tell the same story: steroid name cheap andro ingredient. Not only were pill-form andro products manufactured by other companies a failure, SDI-Labs is using very tiny dosages. (Heck, even large doses of this stuff didn't work too well in pill form.) Perhaps this is because they really push you to buy one of their stacks consisting of several products. These can run upward of $820.



They also pull the same trick our fictional car manufacturer did in the intro. They talk about the positive effects of the real steroid hoping you'll make the leap of faith and think their products do the same. This is especially true with their "HGH" product. (See our Dirty Tricks article for the details behind this common scam.)



Sheep's Clothing



Besides the names and the hard sell ad copy, these guys also put some deceit into the packaging. My favorite is the D-Bol packaging.



Notice the little animal pictures. They do this so the consumer thinks he's getting some kind of "gray area" or veterinary product. You can even see the words "Vetrinariol." I guess this is supposed to look foreign or something but the word is just gobbledygook; it doesn't exist. In fact, I typed that word into a search engine and the only thing that popped up was from Spamcop.net, a site that allows you to send a public spam report to network administrators. Apparently, SDI-Labs has been turned in for spamming.



The "winni" package is also made to look like a real pharmaceutical product.



This type of packaging is expensive compared to just putting pills in a bottle. Hmm, maybe that's why this stuff costs $80 a package! Sheep's clothing is pricey, I guess! Then again, this is the same company that was behind the "Almost Juic'in" product, part of which was a plain bottle of creatine called "Eruption" that sold 400 grams for $50! The price has since been reduced to $30. Still a rip off, of course.



You smell that, too?



To round out the hardcore image, SDI-Labs also likes to put syringes in their ads beside the supplements. This is pure window dressing since none of these are injectable products. Well, that's the official stance at least.



I sent SDI-Labs an email asking a few questions, but it was returned to me "host unknown." Not to be thwarted that quickly, I called them up. Here's how the conversation went:



Chris: Are all these products legal in the US?



SDI-Labs Guy: Yes, they are.



Chris: No prescription or anything?



SDI-Labs Guy: Nope.



Chris: Oh okay. I was confused. Why are there syringes in some of the pictures of your products?



SDI-Labs Guy: That's just to kinda show a comparison to the real steroids.



Chris: So none of them are injectable, right?



SDI-Labs Guy: No. We don't sell anything injectable.



Chris: I also had a question on the posing oil you sell, Myotroph. What are the ingredients?



SDI-Labs Guy: I'm not sure, can you hold on one moment?



After a minute or two, he came back on the line.



SDI-Labs Guy: It's a multi-chain triglyceride oil. And it also has lytocain [sic] in it.



Chris: Thank you very much.



I then hung up the phone and took a quick shower. I felt dirty.



So let me get this right, they don't sell any injectable products (which would be illegal), but they do have a "sterile posing oil" that contains lidocain, a topical anesthetic used in dentistry to lessen the pain of injection. And would a topical oil need to be sterile?



This is obviously a synthol or "Pump N Pose" clone, oils that claim to be for "external use only" but are deigned to inject into lagging muscles (a very dangerous practice to say the least and ethically questionable if you compete in bodybuilding shows.) The cost of SDI-Lab's "posing oil"? 195 bucks per bottle.



By the way, if you click on the "links" section of the SDI-Labs site, you can visit what they call their online magazine. This turned out to be the Bigsport site, a third-rate steroid message board site that has a few articles. I'm not sure what the association is between the two.



I also found a site by another name that sold their fat burner product ("Almost instantly develop the body you've always dreamed of having!") called Power Explosion which appears to be just a generic ECA stack despite the $50 a bottle price tag. Oh, and they say, "loose a couple of extra pounds" instead of "lose." Shouldn't a supplement company at least know how to spell "lose weight"? (Sorry, the old English major in me pops out sometimes.)



I particularly like the spelling errors
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SDI labs

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

Here's a little test. Write an e mail to sdi complaints (confirm252@aol.com). I guarantee if they even do respond to it it will be worded very much like the rebuttals from Robert (wich I stopped reading a long time ago but am kept informed of them by ROR). So he is probably one of the people sitting behind one of their computers making minimum wage responding to complaints. The only information he has provided in his rebuttals was copied and pasted. He has yet to support their claims in any way I'm sure.



They claim these products convert to steroids in your system. The fact of the matter is there is only evidence to the contrary in books and online in both reference sites and bodybuilding forums. If I hadn't graduated high school and trade school I too would spend my day not answering questions e mailed to me as complaints from irrate customers. This company is the primary reason why virtually harmless prohormones were taken off of the market and banned by the FDA.

You will find no such bans on the products they currently use because they do nothing much less what the company says they do
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Been screwed by SDI labs

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

Do as I've done.This morning I filed a full complaint with the Florida OAG for deceptive marketing and false advertising.I also did the same with the FTC at FTC.gov.I explained that on top of many other factors that SDI cannot prove any of there claims and purposely word the names of their products to look like steroids.And I've contacted another bodybuilder through one of the forums where SDI gets slammed.He is a bio-chemist and said flat out that their claims are a lie.I'm having him contact FTC also.Goodbye crappy company.And Robert is an idiot too.
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You're still just too funny, Joseph

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I am still waiting to find out how you keep winning all these trophies(the ones with no dates, or places on them) for powerlifting, and "full contact(as opposed to partial contact?)Karate, and of course Boxing, while being "disabled" by one punch in a street fight.



It's hard to answer that isn't it? It's hard because the trophies are nonexistent, and nobody studying martial arts or boxing will get knocked down by one punch, much less permanently disabled by it. I've never hit the ground, how does it feel?



I get the feeling that YOU are the only one in these bodybuilding chat forums you talk about. I'm too busy fixing cars, and paying attention to my family to discuss muscle building techniques with people I don't know.



If you'd like to know where I buy my stuff, use the word bodybuilding, and you are there. My basic cocktail consists of products by ASN, BSN, and Goliath. I also use Chromium Piccolonate, and a couple Amino Acids. You figure it out.



So, how about answering my question?
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SDI labs Legalsteroids.com

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

Word is spreading like wildfire throughout every bodybuilding forum I have visited on how bad this company sucks. I particularly like one where a biochemist comes in and destroys their nonsensical claims. Go to it Robert. Go give this guy a chemistry lesson like the one you were going to give me. You cannot because you work for them and you know this crap doesn't work. None of their products do anything according to popular opinion and cold hard facts.



So next time an employee of the company comes on to rebutt, try to Google the companies name and skip the part where Socratic Dialog Inducing comes up because you wouldn't understand it anyway.



Totally overpriced useless scam. False advertising and deceptive wording.
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SDI labs Legalsteroids.com

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

Word is spreading like wildfire throughout every bodybuilding forum I have visited on how bad this company sucks. I particularly like one where a biochemist comes in and destroys their nonsensical claims. Go to it Robert. Go give this guy a chemistry lesson like the one you were going to give me. You cannot because you work for them and you know this crap doesn't work. None of their products do anything according to popular opinion and cold hard facts.



So next time an employee of the company comes on to rebutt, try to Google the companies name and skip the part where Socratic Dialog Inducing comes up because you wouldn't understand it anyway.



Totally overpriced useless scam. False advertising and deceptive wording.
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SDI labs Legalsteroids.com

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

Word is spreading like wildfire throughout every bodybuilding forum I have visited on how bad this company sucks. I particularly like one where a biochemist comes in and destroys their nonsensical claims. Go to it Robert. Go give this guy a chemistry lesson like the one you were going to give me. You cannot because you work for them and you know this crap doesn't work. None of their products do anything according to popular opinion and cold hard facts.



So next time an employee of the company comes on to rebutt, try to Google the companies name and skip the part where Socratic Dialog Inducing comes up because you wouldn't understand it anyway.



Totally overpriced useless scam. False advertising and deceptive wording.
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AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

Go to Body Building forums under SDI labs and read posts by Big Cat. He is a biochemist and completely destoys all claims made by SDI Legal Steroids. He also states that they never responded to any of his e mails. Many forums I have visited on SDI have now been locked down from new posts. One of them was 100 percent negative. The administer stated that "we get the point and I'm locking this b*tch down".

Alot of these posts are from when SDI contained now banned substances. If they had to lie then imagine trying to wade through the BS now. They suck and their deceptive marketing is now coming back to bite them. But it's okay because Robert (the biggest man in the world) beleives their nonsense and lives on the stuff. Have a nice day. And hopefully a prompt goodbye to SDI as a company.
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Words have meanings

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"I do lift weights very hard..."

"I only wish I could face you in my other sport, Full contact karate for World Oyama and boxing..."

"I hardly think your arms are bigger then my legs being that I squat 505lbs at competition depth."

"...and do fine finish work on multi million dollar houses."

"And I win powerlfting contests."

"I no longer compete in powerlifting and if he mentioned this I am no longer capable of squating 505."



ALL of these statements are in the first person, PRESENT. Which is true Joseph? Either everything you wrote prior to the last one is a blatant LIE, or the last one is. Which?



I had your number straight out. You chugged a bunch of stuff and thought it was a magic formula that would make you strong. It didn't. Considering you claim in another report to have been flattened with one punch by another guy, I don't believe anything you wrote about your abilities. Nobody tries to fight a guy as big as you claimed to be, especially with your amazing skills at Martial Arts, and fisticuffs. Hell, you're the Total Package. You should be in UFC, competing. Wait, it would be a very short fight, as you got dropped in the first nanosecond, the last time you tried to act tough.



Oh, and I KNOW you read these. You can't help yourself.
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Knew he'd be back.

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

It's true, I am disabled. I read that much while scrolling down the web page to file this update. I no longer compete in powerlifting and if he mentioned this I am no longer capable of squating 505. Only someone tasteless to bring this up would try to defend this price gouging fake company. My comments on my former USA Powerlifting acchievements still stand and can be supported by researching USA Powerlifting records. He still has not provided proof that this stuff works. I do not need to read his post to know that because the company could not supply me with any studies either.

I do now train again and will again someday compete.
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More of the same from Joseph

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"This company allowed someone to fraudulently enter a profile AND contact information on me.They obviously did nothing to prove my identity while posting this information.I've emailed them at customer service to try to get the information used to find out who did this.They have not responded.For all I know even the credit card used to enter the profile was mine.I will update this report on the outcome."-Joseph 6/5/06



"Match.com still has not respondind to e mails inquiring about information about who put my profile on their site. Great customer service huh? I guess they don't care about peoples privacy if they let someone enroll me without my knowledge and won't even give me any information as to who did it."-Joseph 6/7/06



"And my sister put me on because she doesn't get along with my present longtime girlfriend.It's not like I stuck my nose and opinion where it's not wanted.Like you did.So maybe while they're extorting money from lonely people.They should spend some money on improving security."-Joseph 6/7/06



"I responded to these rebuttals but I could not tell you how many times in the span of how many hours. So who needs to get a life? I like the fact that people are responding with such weak rebuttals. The fact of the matter is I am disabled as of last year so I do have time to respond. That is the whole idea behind this site. People responding to my reports and rebuttals with opinions of me are not only basing them on speculation but misusing this site. So thamks for making me look all that much more credible."-Joseph 6/10/06



These are from your other report(ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff194799.htm), Joseph.



It really must suck to have your own words come back to haunt you. How do you compete in powerlifting, and Karate, while disabled? Very intersting story, I'd bet.
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AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"This company allowed someone to fraudulently enter a profile AND contact information on me.They obviously did nothing to prove my identity while posting this information.I've emailed them at customer service to try to get the information used to find out who did this.They have not responded.For all I know even the credit card used to enter the profile was mine.I will update this report on the outcome."-Joseph 6/5/06



"Match.com still has not respondind to e mails inquiring about information about who put my profile on their site. Great customer service huh? I guess they don't care about peoples privacy if they let someone enroll me without my knowledge and won't even give me any information as to who did it."-Joseph 6/7/06



"And my sister put me on because she doesn't get along with my present longtime girlfriend.It's not like I stuck my nose and opinion where it's not wanted.Like you did.So maybe while they're extorting money from lonely people.They should spend some money on improving security."-Joseph 6/7/06



"I responded to these rebuttals but I could not tell you how many times in the span of how many hours. So who needs to get a life? I like the fact that people are responding with such weak rebuttals. The fact of the matter is I am disabled as of last year so I do have time to respond. That is the whole idea behind this site. People responding to my reports and rebuttals with opinions of me are not only basing them on speculation but misusing this site. So thamks for making me look all that much more credible."-Joseph 6/10/06



These are from your other report(ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff194799.htm), Joseph.



It really must suck to have your own words come back to haunt you. How do you compete in powerlifting, and Karate, while disabled? Very intersting story, I'd bet.
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More of the same from Joseph

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"This company allowed someone to fraudulently enter a profile AND contact information on me.They obviously did nothing to prove my identity while posting this information.I've emailed them at customer service to try to get the information used to find out who did this.They have not responded.For all I know even the credit card used to enter the profile was mine.I will update this report on the outcome."-Joseph 6/5/06



"Match.com still has not respondind to e mails inquiring about information about who put my profile on their site. Great customer service huh? I guess they don't care about peoples privacy if they let someone enroll me without my knowledge and won't even give me any information as to who did it."-Joseph 6/7/06



"And my sister put me on because she doesn't get along with my present longtime girlfriend.It's not like I stuck my nose and opinion where it's not wanted.Like you did.So maybe while they're extorting money from lonely people.They should spend some money on improving security."-Joseph 6/7/06



"I responded to these rebuttals but I could not tell you how many times in the span of how many hours. So who needs to get a life? I like the fact that people are responding with such weak rebuttals. The fact of the matter is I am disabled as of last year so I do have time to respond. That is the whole idea behind this site. People responding to my reports and rebuttals with opinions of me are not only basing them on speculation but misusing this site. So thamks for making me look all that much more credible."-Joseph 6/10/06



These are from your other report(ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff194799.htm), Joseph.



It really must suck to have your own words come back to haunt you. How do you compete in powerlifting, and Karate, while disabled? Very intersting story, I'd bet.
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Big veins?

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

I still receive updates form ROR on this file. I do not read them because I know who they come from. Through all of this nonsense not one rebuttal wil show varafiable clinical to support ANY of SDI's testosterone boosters or anabolics as they refer to them. I do not need to check these updates to know this because I asked legal steroids to e mail me this information. They did not respond in any way. The product that I purchased has a claim only of increasing muscle stores of potassium and calcium. Sure these coponents are important. But how would they know without studies? Back to you robert. Watch,he'll be back but cannot respond credibly to this post. Yeah creatine works. But I never said it didn't. They did not pioneer the use of creatine did they. And I buy it online for less than one twentieth of their price with added ingredients to improve assimilation.
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Not that I'll buy them

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

I've looked online and found that I can easily purchase the same ingredients as the product I purchased from SDI online at 50-60 times the concentration for one eighth of the price I paid with SDI. Again there is absolutely no proof that any of these boosters even work. SDI claims that this product I bought increases concentration of potassium and calcium in muscle tissue.How would they even know if they've done no clinical testing? This is why you cannot view the ingredients before you buy. Stick to creatine with added transport ingredients and a good whey protien and lift hard. This has worked for me for 18 years and I have 6 powerlfting trophies and 50 extra pounds to prove it. My wins can be seen in powerlifting USA and USA Powerlifting results. And Robert I am still not reading your rebuttals as I think there is clinical proof this can make someone dumber.
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You are amazing to say the least

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

You claim to win all these trophies, yet you cannot actually say WHEN you won them. Here's a clue...look at the dates that are engraved on them.



You claim all this stuff is useless and illegal for competition, yet you complain they don't work, and try to use them. If they are illegal for competition, why are you trying to use them. If you know they are useless, why are you trying to use them?



You attempt to attribute your own reading MIScomprehension to things I say. Go back to school, and take a few classes. Try to stay awake this time.



Now, you say that I work for SDI, simply because we are in the same state. I guess by that reasoning, you work for a garbage company, since NJ is full of them.



You want proof of what I have done? Maybe I'll scan pics of my Dress Blues, and the wall in my bedroom. You'll see a chestful of medal, ribbons, and badges. You'll also see dozens of citations, commendations, and accolades.



Show me where I said there are powerlifters at my shop. Show me where I said I get my stuff from the VA. Show me ANYTHING you attribute to me. What you have done, is take what I actually write, twist it into a pretzel, and then claim I said something I did not. That's your Government School education for you. Words have meanings...go find a dictionary.



As for being able to get the stuff, I can. I can get all sorts of stuff other people don't. I always have been able to. I have it that way.



I'd still like you to answer a question. How do you think the human body recieves 100% of the nutrients required to sustain life? I say it's through our blood.



That means, in order for you muscles to work at all, they need blood flow. In order to get bigger, they need more blood flow. Creatine stores energy in the mucle tissue. To get more creatine in the muscles, you need more blood flow. Pure creatine will go nowhere, but out through your urine. The additives the companies put into their creatine mix, enlarges the vascular system, allowing more blood flow. "Test" boosters work by triggering the right reponse in your body so your testes produce more testosterone. This testosterone then goes through your blood and into the muscle tissue.



Never mind. I already said I wasn't going to give you a biology lesson. You won't understand it anyway. Too many large words.



Really, nothing you have said makes sense on any level.
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Obvously from SDI, Fizogen or legal steroids

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

I didn't even read Roberts last rebuttal. He's obviously from SDI or one of their other companies. I went on to some other bodybuilding forums that talk about SDI. Noone has anything good to say except for the few people they have go on. They're pretty notorious for false testimonies. I'm working on directing people fom these forums to ROR and this subject. I guess they should have just given me my money back. I have about one hour a day to devote to this little project.



As far as the last rebuttal that I did read from Robert, I can plagerize print from a creatine bottle or magazine article. The fact of the matter is I said creatine doesn't do some of the things that he said it does. I know it works because I've used it for over ten years.
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FDA notified 06/03/06

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

I have filed a grievance with the FDA today on SDI claims, labeling.
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Yeah,okay Robert

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

This is hardly the forum for a tit for tat.Still no proof of anything robert has done.I hardly think your arms are bigger then my legs being that I squat 505lbs at competition depth.I'll wait for a doctor to smash your claims that the VA gets this stuff for you. No, creatine is not banned but any substance that does what you're talking about is.



USA powerlifting uses the most stringent drug guidelines there are. So I know what is banned.Even too high a concentration of caffeine in your system will make you fail a USA Powerlifting drug test and result in a 3 month suspension also for ephedrine or pseudoephedreine. So knock yourself out on this site. I'll come back and laugh when some other people come on and crush you and SDI. I'm going to go on to some of the bodybuilding forums where everyone hates them and point out this site.



They probably should have given me back the 90.00 USD I spent on their fraudulent product.They've already been reported to Attoney General Crist's office in Florida on two counts by me. So you and all of the weightlfters in your shop who use their product should stock up. What kind of shop is full of weightlifters with enough money to buy this completely overpriced product? I've been a carpenter fo 18 years and do fine finish work on multi million dollar houses.



I won't spend any more money with them. And I win powerlfting contests. Proof of anything you've done please?
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I guess I cannot help myself...it's the masochist in me

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

First, I can get anything I want through the VA. Just because you aren't able to, doesn't mean I cannot.



Second, all of this stuff IS legal, and therefore perfectly acceptable by all the major sports commissions. ONLY anabolic steroids are banned.



Try this from the New England Journal of Medicine(wait...I forgot, you know more than Doctors):

"Up to 2,000 mg (2 grams) of creatine are produced each day by the kidneys and liver. Another 1,000 mg to 2,000 mg (one gram to 2 grams) per day comes from the diet -- primarily from meat and fish. Creatine concentrates mostly in the large (skeletal) muscles, where it is involved in producing energy and moderating muscle fatigue.



An adult of average weight (about 155 pounds) stores about 120,000 mg (120 grams) of creatine and uses about 2,000 mg (2 grams) every day. However, intensive exercise uses up creatine. It is believed that muscle stores of creatine are decreased dramatically during the first few seconds of exercise. Then, creatine stores gradually replenish over several minutes. As the muscles use energy, creatine is changed into a waste product known as creatinine, which is filtered into the urine by the kidneys.



Creatine supplementation may increase the amount of creatine reserve up to 140,000 to 150,000 mg (140 grams to 150 grams), but any excess creatine is lost in the urine.



Supplemental creatine is manufactured artificially by reacting certain chemicals. It is usually sold as citrate, monohydrate, or phosphate salts, which may be easier for the body to use. Although some individuals feel that one salt is more beneficial than the others, no study evidence proves that any one of them works better than the others. Supplemental creatine should be labeled as "100% pure" or "free of impurities", because undesirable byproducts may be produced during manufacturing. Currently, the International Olympic Committee allows Olympic athletes to use creatine while competing in events."



Hmmmm. It seems I was right, and you are wrong. You'll get used to hearing that all through life. Your body makes, and stores creatine, and supplemental doses not only increase your muscles stores, but it is NOT banned by anyone. Get a clue, you are so outmatched here, it's not funny anymore.



Third, at 165 pounds, I'd be throwing you around like a ragdoll. As I said, my arms are bigger than your legs. I am a BIG guy. The last "Karate Kid" who attacked me was planted on his back within the first 10 seconds, gasping for breath, and trying to figure out what went horribly wrong. I was nice enough to help him back up...no hard feelings.



Here's another feature of my skills and abilities...if I get in a fight, it immediately becomes "Aggrivated Assault with a Deadly Weapon". I am the weapon. This is not bragging. This is exactly how the last Judge explained it to me, after a BIGGER guy started something he could not finish. Some of us have training, guys like you can only dream about. I was, as was told to me by those in charge, "one of THOSE guys". I was one of those who did whatever was needed, no questions asked. Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead.



So, tough guy...I know you suffer from "Little Guy Complex", but try not showing your ass so much. One day, you'll learn from those of us who are older and wiser.
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Sorry,can't stay away

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

Robert,the VA gets this stuff for you? Lie,the medical community does not recognize any of these boosters. The main booster you're probably refering to is tribulus. All research in the US shows no improvement in performance or less performance. Look on the internet under Tribulus Terrestris. It's just a vine. Research in this country has only shown it to be toxic to sheep. The muscular gains you refer to are completely ridiculus. I've known a dozen guys who've don real juice. It didn't even work that well.As far as your biology lesson to me. Not likely coming from a guy who refers to blood vessel dilation as enlarged veins. I'll wait for the others who see your nonsense to chop you up. And I told you where to find some proof of what I've done. What have you done?



If these boosters were so effective they would be banned by the FDA,IOC and therefor USA Powerlifting who uses IOC guidelines as the help sanction world championships If your doctor is giving you this and you gained an inch like you said.You're both going to jail. Your claims sound like the same ones this ridiculus company makes. t's very easy to tell you work for them and they had you do this. Just like they've done in some of the bodybuilding forums I've seen where people absolutely wreck SDI. Punch in one of their fake chemical names to your browser and see some of these forums. I would quote but there is alot of foul language in reference to their products. It's a synonym for fecal matter. Enjoy living your fairytale that you're the biggest guy in the world and that these boosters do something.



I only wish I could face you in my other sport, Full contact karate for World Oyama and boxing under a pro boxer who defeated Leon Spinks in his first pro fight ten years ago. I can't wait til you have someone read this to you. It must look like code with all of these syllables. Can't wait to hear your proof of any accomplishment
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#36 Consumer Comment

I'm done with you too, Joseph

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I am not going to give you a class in biology. You aren't paying attention anyway.



Creatine does exactly what i said it does, and so does my Doctor. in fact, my Doctors at the VA say all of this stuff does exactly what the labels say. In fact, I can get all of it through the VA.



You're oblivious, and that's okay. I'm big, and that's okay too.



Good luck in the future. Everything I said is backed up by medical science, and the proof is in the athletes who use the stuff. I gained over an inch in each arm by doing nothing more than using the stuff for a month. That's pretty good for a 44 year old.



Take care.
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Here we go again with Robert and his facts from Mars

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

Very quickly. I'm pictured with at least Rick Wilcox. Pound for pound the 165 class is the most competitive. Creatine doesn't make your veins bigger. The term your looking for is dilates blood vessels.And creatine doesn't do that either. Niacin is responsible for that in the human body. Creatine does not bind to test to take it to your muscles at all. That's absurd.



Yeah testosterone is involved in anabolism (that means muscle building Robert) but it is not the key transport hormone. This is why you saw bodybuilders get so much bigger in the late 80's. They started abusing things like insulin and inslulin like growth factor(did I type that slowly enough Robert?)I never said test was not involved in anabolism. So Robert,I've told you how to find some of my qualifications. Where can I see pictures of you and your first place ER wrist band? USA Powerlifting is the only IPF affiliate in the USA meaning you cant compete at the world championships unless you qualify and copete under their sanction.And only a moron would find it funny to joke about the haulocost as you've seen fit.



I'll end this as I do all of my rebuttals to Robert(from SDI).You're wrong again and have no proof of anything you've done. I can't wit til some other people see the nonsense you write (that word sounds like rite Robert the w is silent).
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#38 Consumer Comment

Is that a midget class of lifting?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"Contact Powerlifting USA magazine and ask for the issue with the results of the East Coast Championships/deadlift either 97 or 98,can't remember. You'll see a picture of me standing with some other lifter while I'm holding my first place trophy for the 165 class. And testosterone doesn't mix freely with ater so creatine could not mix it with water to take it to your muscles.



Yeah test will make you big and strong but the biological pathways are much more complex than you make them out to be. Insulin is the one that does the transporting. Testosterone binds with androgen receptors only. Try to prove me wrong on any of this. I dare you."



That's great Joseph. You cannot even remember when you won the contest. That in itself proves you are a liar. A REAL trophy winner always knows when, where, and how. The guy beside you? What's his name. again, ALL competitors know who else is there. Just going to the gym, I can tell you who's who. In order to compete, you HAVE to know who you are competing against. Try and get your story straight.



165 pounds? Are you serious? You NEED to get on this stuff. My arms are bigger than your legs. I'd look like a Holocaust survivor at that weight. It's okay if you're 5'0", or a woman.



Are you now attempting to say testosterone does NOT build muscle? That's big news to the medical profession. That's even bigger news to every athlete, and and every kid going through puberty.



Testosterone builds muscle fibers. This is not debatable. Once you are past puberty, testosterone increases the size of the fibers you already have. In other words, TESTOSTERONE BUILDS MUSCLE!



Do you think there is some magic entrance for the hormone to seep into your muscles? It gets there through your veins. Creatine enlarges your veins, and allows your muscles(mostly water to begin with) to draw in more of EVERYTHING, not just water. You do know blood is mostly water, right? And blood is in your veins, right? And blood pretty much carries 100% of the nutrients you need to live, right? Now, what were saying about testosterone NOT getting to your muscles?



Here's a thought...since you know NOTHING about the sport, try joining a gym. Ask the guys there about how they got big. They'll tell you. and it wasn't by eating right, and going to church every Sunday. It was by consuming the right combination of enhancers, and putting the effort into their workouts.



BTW, do you think all the hullaballoo over professional athletes, is because the stuff DOESN'T work?
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#39 Consumer Comment

Oh yeah dude without a clue

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

Contact Powerlifting USA magazine and ask for the issue with the results of the East Coast Championships/deadlift either 97 or 98,can't remember. You'll see a picture of me standing with some other lifter while I'm holding my first place trophy for the 165 class. And testosterone doesn't mix freely with ater so creatine could not mix it with water to take it to your muscles.



Yeah test will make you big and strong but the biological pathways are much more complex than you make them out to be. Insulin is the one that does the transporting. Testosterone binds with androgen receptors only. Try to prove me wrong on any of this. I dare you
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#40 Consumer Comment

That was wonderful

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I never said creatine has anything to do with producing testosterone.



I said creatine allows your muscles to draw in more water. Along with the water, testosterone goes in also. How do you think muscle is made? It's made with testosterone. If the "test" is not drawn into the muscle, no muscle will be increased. DUH!



As for your "proof", show it. Every other lifter you compete against is using the stuff. Give us all a link to your "proof".



You won't, because you have none. You have none, because you don't have the willpower and motivation to do it.
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legal fakroids

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

Customer service still sending me inflamatory e mail responses to e mails asking them to take me off of their mailing list. Ive saved all of them and have sent them to the BBB in florida along with proof of some false advertising.And to this other clown. I do lift weights very hard and have competed in many meets for USA Powerlifting winning many and at least placing in all but one. including NY state and Ct state championships and winning the east coast deadlift championships in Newburgh. So I can show proof of my gains. Not just a little wrist band from the e.r.
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Notice to consumers reading the first rebuttal

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

Firstly, The reference made to creatine taking test boosters into your muscles is completely unfounded. Creatine does not attach to such boosters. Seconndly,even if it did testosterone is produced in the testes,adrenal gland and liver. Not in muscles. Therefore even if this claim was true you would receive no benefit from their transport int muscle tissue. I hate to even have to right this in this forum because these people probably have more than enough work to do. But I'm sure they wouldn't want such blatently false information on their site. Do as I've done.



Don't believe any claim that is not backed by independent clinical studies. Because these statements are not evaluated by the FDA. Being this guy lives in such close proximity to SDI/legalsteroids, what do you think the chances are that he works there as I did tell them I would report them to RRR. Thank you again Ripoff Report for this fantastic service.
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AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

I only wish there were more guys around like you. Everthing you say and ask makes alot of sense. Anyone reading this report should take note of the thinga that Troy and I are saying. I only wish it were possible to contact him. I don't know if he's ever seen the ingredients in the products I refer to. But I'd bet if he bought them he would be as angry as me after learning what's in them. It couldn't cost more than a few cents per bottle to make this stuff. And there is no research and development to pay for.. So why do they start at 79.95 over the internet where there is virtually no overhead. My new rule to myself about supplements. Don't buy them if you can't get the ingredients and potency information. And good for you Troy.
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AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

I only wish there were more guys around like you. Everthing you say and ask makes alot of sense. Anyone reading this report should take note of the thinga that Troy and I are saying. I only wish it were possible to contact him. I don't know if he's ever seen the ingredients in the products I refer to. But I'd bet if he bought them he would be as angry as me after learning what's in them. It couldn't cost more than a few cents per bottle to make this stuff. And there is no research and development to pay for.. So why do they start at 79.95 over the internet where there is virtually no overhead. My new rule to myself about supplements. Don't buy them if you can't get the ingredients and potency information. And good for you Troy.
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AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

I only wish there were more guys around like you. Everthing you say and ask makes alot of sense. Anyone reading this report should take note of the thinga that Troy and I are saying. I only wish it were possible to contact him. I don't know if he's ever seen the ingredients in the products I refer to. But I'd bet if he bought them he would be as angry as me after learning what's in them. It couldn't cost more than a few cents per bottle to make this stuff. And there is no research and development to pay for.. So why do they start at 79.95 over the internet where there is virtually no overhead. My new rule to myself about supplements. Don't buy them if you can't get the ingredients and potency information. And good for you Troy.
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AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

I only wish there were more guys around like you. Everthing you say and ask makes alot of sense. Anyone reading this report should take note of the thinga that Troy and I are saying. I only wish it were possible to contact him. I don't know if he's ever seen the ingredients in the products I refer to. But I'd bet if he bought them he would be as angry as me after learning what's in them. It couldn't cost more than a few cents per bottle to make this stuff. And there is no research and development to pay for.. So why do they start at 79.95 over the internet where there is virtually no overhead. My new rule to myself about supplements. Don't buy them if you can't get the ingredients and potency information. And good for you Troy.
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#47 Consumer Comment

I'll answer each question for you Troy

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

"What exactly are the boosters that you're referring to? Typical improvements in the 300% range? Any proof of this? Any reason you can't give the names of the two products you use?"



ED's rules say I cannot tell you what I use. I can tell you I use two different types of Creatine formulas, added doses of Tribulus, HGH, two different "stack packs", two different fat burners, and extra doses of a few amino acids. As for the proof of improvements, go to a gym. Ask any athlete.



"Assuming your claim of typical improvements in the 300% range, let's use the bench press as a baseline example: A guy going to the gym bench presses 225 lbs. around 10-12 reps for 4 sets and maybe maxes out around 300 or so lbs.. A supplement is not going to have this same guy tripling his repetitions or maxing out at 900+ lbs, that's complete and utter nonsense."



Nowhere did I say he would be able to lift 900 pounds. That's just idiotic spin on your part. If you can do 4 sets of 10 without the stuff, you WILL be able to do 3-4 times as many reps with Creatine. Again, go to any gym, or ask any athlete. My own experience has been to go from 30 reps total, to 100. I went from a 45 minute workout, to a 2 hour one. I stop when I get tired. And as anyone who lifts knows, you still start out light and work up to max weight. Being able to do more light, and heavy reps, will burn more fat, tone you more, and build more muscle.



"As far as you over doing it and ending up in the ER, I would attribute that more to your carelessness rather than the superhuman strength your unmentionable supplement provided you with. You bit off more than you could chew-you can blame yourself for that. Consider yourself lucky you didn't get injured worse. That incident was just a tap on the shoulder from Darwin."



Absolutely no argument there troy. I admitted I didn't pay attention to what was on the bar. I try to keep a running tally, but sometimes I just try to push more than I should. It bit me, and I paid the price. I thought I tore my shoulder, but it was just a very bad muscle spasm.



"If wasting your money on unproven products makes you happy, be my guest. The guys at GNC love dudes like you, they know a sucker when they see one. Good luck there Hercules!"



It's funny, but I have never seen anyone in GNC who goes to a gym, or even looks like they eat meat for that matter. I don't go there either. I pass by when I shop at the malls. I buy online, and have for years.
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#48 Consumer Comment

Sorry, I have a hard time believing that.

AUTHOR: Troy - (U.S.A.)

What exactly are the boosters that you're referring to? Typical improvements in the 300% range? Any proof of this? Any reason you can't give the names of the two products you use?



Assuming your claim of typical improvements in the 300% range, let's use the bench press as a baseline example: A guy going to the gym bench presses 225 lbs. around 10-12 reps for 4 sets and maybe maxes out around 300 or so lbs.. A supplement is not going to have this same guy tripling his repetitions or maxing out at 900+ lbs, that's complete and utter nonsense.



I've been there and done that with most of the popular supplements and have yet to find one that provides any significant improvement. If anything I will still take whey protein before and after my workouts, but that's because it's easier and more convenient than eating a chicken breast or egg whites.



As far as you over doing it and ending up in the ER, I would attribute that more to your carelessness rather than the superhuman strength your unmentionable supplement provided you with. You bit off more than you could chew-you can blame yourself for that. Consider yourself lucky you didn't get injured worse. That incident was just a tap on the shoulder from Darwin.



If wasting your money on unproven products makes you happy, be my guest. The guys at GNC love dudes like you, they know a sucker when they see one. Good luck there Hercules!
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Sorry, I have a hard time believing that.

AUTHOR: Troy - (U.S.A.)

What exactly are the boosters that you're referring to? Typical improvements in the 300% range? Any proof of this? Any reason you can't give the names of the two products you use?



Assuming your claim of typical improvements in the 300% range, let's use the bench press as a baseline example: A guy going to the gym bench presses 225 lbs. around 10-12 reps for 4 sets and maybe maxes out around 300 or so lbs.. A supplement is not going to have this same guy tripling his repetitions or maxing out at 900+ lbs, that's complete and utter nonsense.



I've been there and done that with most of the popular supplements and have yet to find one that provides any significant improvement. If anything I will still take whey protein before and after my workouts, but that's because it's easier and more convenient than eating a chicken breast or egg whites.



As far as you over doing it and ending up in the ER, I would attribute that more to your carelessness rather than the superhuman strength your unmentionable supplement provided you with. You bit off more than you could chew-you can blame yourself for that. Consider yourself lucky you didn't get injured worse. That incident was just a tap on the shoulder from Darwin.



If wasting your money on unproven products makes you happy, be my guest. The guys at GNC love dudes like you, they know a sucker when they see one. Good luck there Hercules!
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One educated response for now

AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

It's nice to hear from an educated man. I'm just sorry I beat you to it because it took me an extra few days to see someone who posessed more than hearsay nonsense. And to you others, ofcourse I did not think I was buying real anabolic steroids. But I thought I was buying something that worked. Watch this site carefully to see where the rebuttals come from.The only favorable one came from right dowbn the street from where they market this junk.



So I applaude those of you who do your homework. Like I said before. I've made terrific gains in the 21 years that I've been training. squat 505 bench 340 dl 540.All 100 percent drug free. On the other hand. I urge those of you who use this site to donate at least a few bucks to them. I do this as regularly as I can. I am not afiliated with this site in any way. I just think it's only fair to contribute something. Joe
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#51 Consumer Comment

You guys crack me up

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

First, I assumed people could figure things out for themselves. I know Creatine by itself only causes your muscles to draw in more water. The problem with both of your jabs at me is this...Nearly all Creatine products DO contain other ingredients, including Test-boosters. Those of us who use it, know it.



I cannot give you the names of the two brands I use, but the guys at my shop all use it with excellent results. We also choke down the different "stacks" that improve upon the Creatine and HGH.



And YES, Troy, typical improvements in performance are in the 300% range. If you used the stuff, you'd know it. I overdid it 1 1/2 months ago because I wasn't paying attention to what I had on the bar. I ended up in the ER. It DOES allow you to do more than you ever thought possible. Adding the proper "stack"(cocktail) gives even bigger gains. Since neither of you seem to understand the relationship between testosterone and muscle development, I'll close this quickly. Water makes your muscles WORK. "Test" makes your muscles GROW. Creatine allows your muscles to draw the water, and the Boosters IN the Creatine powder get drawn in with the water.



Who in the world takes pure Creatine? Nobody.



Get a clue you two. One guy thinks he can buy ANABOLIC steroids. They are ILLEGAL. The other blows up his car and thinks a dealership should pay for it. Between the both of you, I don't think either could find a gym, much less know what one goes there for.
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#52 Consumer Comment

You beat me to it Joseph

AUTHOR: Troy - (U.S.A.)

Creatine is an amino acid derivitive, not a testosterome "booster".



As far as going from 30 reps to 100 while on these "boosters", that's complete nonsense. You're not going find your output increasing over 300% from taking these "boosters". None of these claims have ever been substantiated by the FDA, most likely because most supplements don't live up to the hype.



I've been training for the better part of 18 years and have yet to find any significant gains from supplements. Proper nutrition and a well planned training routine are where the real results are at.
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AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

Anyone who reads the rebuttal from this report. Note that this brainiac refers to creatine as a testosterone booster. In fact creatine monohydrate is stored as phosphacreatine in muscles thus volumizing them. It is then converted into adenosine tri phosphate {ATP} for fuel. It has never been shown to affect test levels ever. And dhea and melatonin ARE legal steroids. As far as the reference to anabolics he makes,simply go to their site.



They refer to many of their products as anabolics. Anabolic simply means muscle building. So if you read this brain sugeon. Go back and study some of the texts you think you are quoting. The fact still remains they have never done any viable clinical research. So how would they know if this stuff works? The FDA unfortunately does not evaluate claims of supplement efficy. So they can say what they want.....
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AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

Anyone who reads the rebuttal from this report. Note that this brainiac refers to creatine as a testosterone booster. In fact creatine monohydrate is stored as phosphacreatine in muscles thus volumizing them. It is then converted into adenosine tri phosphate {ATP} for fuel. It has never been shown to affect test levels ever. And dhea and melatonin ARE legal steroids. As far as the reference to anabolics he makes,simply go to their site.



They refer to many of their products as anabolics. Anabolic simply means muscle building. So if you read this brain sugeon. Go back and study some of the texts you think you are quoting. The fact still remains they have never done any viable clinical research. So how would they know if this stuff works? The FDA unfortunately does not evaluate claims of supplement efficy. So they can say what they want.....
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AUTHOR: Joseph - (U.S.A.)

Anyone who reads the rebuttal from this report. Note that this brainiac refers to creatine as a testosterone booster. In fact creatine monohydrate is stored as phosphacreatine in muscles thus volumizing them. It is then converted into adenosine tri phosphate {ATP} for fuel. It has never been shown to affect test levels ever. And dhea and melatonin ARE legal steroids. As far as the reference to anabolics he makes,simply go to their site.



They refer to many of their products as anabolics. Anabolic simply means muscle building. So if you read this brain sugeon. Go back and study some of the texts you think you are quoting. The fact still remains they have never done any viable clinical research. So how would they know if this stuff works? The FDA unfortunately does not evaluate claims of supplement efficy. So they can say what they want.....
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What did you think the stuff was going to do?

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

First, ANOBOLIC steroids are illegal. What is sold legally are testosterone boosters. They are steroids in the fact that they do cause you to produce more testosterone naturally.



Did you think you were getting Anabolics? Do you understand how Test-boosters work? Do you understand how any "performance enhancer" works.



You don't just swallow some stuff and get results...at all. Creatine and all the other boosters allow you to put more into your workout. An example is my own experience. Without, I can press 3 sets of 10 reps, 30 total. On the boosters, I stop at 100 reps. The stuff works, if you use it properly. Using too much is not going to help.



Prohormones like 1-AD, and Androstenedione are illegal now because people abused them. They coverted to pure "test" when they hit the liver. Those were the good stuff. They also made you rage, and become extremely aggressive. You may still find some online, but don't bet on it.Creatine is the closest you'll probably get. So far, it has been shown to be safe.



If you sit on your butt, they won't work. If you exercise, they do. The results don't happen overnight. You also have to cycle the stuff. A few weeks "on", and a week "off". You still have to continue the exercise during your "off" week.



We use them every day here at my shop, with excellent results. What the site you bought from sells, is the same stuff you can get from any of the online bodybuilding stores, or even the walk-in stores and gyms.



My suggestion would be to try different brands, and different "cocktails". The packs of pills are excellent for providing nutrients, and growth hormones will help you recover. Creatine, and severeal other "test" boosters are superb, but you have to be carefull or you will injure yourself without realizing it.



Good luck.
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