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  • Submitted: Mon, September 01, 2008
  • Updated: Wed, July 01, 2009

  • Reported By:paradise City Missouri
Liberty League International LLI
Liberty League International LLI Phone: Fax: 14300 N. Northsight Blvd 210 Scottsdale, Arizona, U.S.A. Scottsdale, Arizona U.S.A.

Liberty League International LLI Stop Bitching because you were to greedy to do your homework. Scottsdale Arizona

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: My liberty League Experience

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: My liberty League Experience

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: My liberty League Experience

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: My liberty League Experience

*Consumer Comment: The products

*Consumer Comment: Remember, it's personal development...

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Read Everything - The Brainwashing is Powerful!

*Consumer Comment: Smells like...

*Consumer Comment: NOT a scam

*Consumer Comment: Liberty League is not a scam

*Consumer Suggestion: Info.

*UPDATE Employee: Liberty League is Legitmate!

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I answered an ad that sounded interesting; a bit vague in its description, but interesting enough that I figured sending my resume would be just a few clicks...and how bad could that be?

I was born at night...but not last night. It took all of about ten seconds for me to sniff out the used-car-salesman approach to my money; qualifying me. Trying to cash my check before the deal was even made. The only problem was: I asked too many specific questions.
I was quickly referred to a website to watch a hyped info-net-mercial (i just made that word up...but it fits perfectly). Wow what that meant for brain dead people?

I wanted to know more about the products I would be working with. Could I get a sample? What about quality? .... What do you mean I can't see the product before I buy it? You mean...I have to pay to even see the product?

He then told me that perhaps it wasn't for me...I was too negative. I said, No, I am a thinker. Mind games don't work on me. And a company that sells products in secret...well, something stinks in the state of Denmark. Peroid.

Perhaps that's because the same kind of product at the library only cost me a nickel a day when I get the back late. Otherwise it's FREE!

Come on people Wake UP! Stop crying about all the money you lost...and realize you just paid tuition to the school of hard knocks. Freedom is Never FREE. If it seems to easy...too perfect...IT IS. There are NO Free LUNCHES.

The only way you are going to get rich the way they show on the video...is to provide something for something.

Something for Nothing....is most often a crime.

Michael in Missouri

Notarockesscientistjustathinker
paradise City, Missouri
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 09/01/2008 08:55 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Liberty-League-International-LLI/Scottsdale-Arizona/Liberty-League-International-LLI-Stop-Bitching-because-you-were-to-greedy-to-do-your-homew-368855. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 UPDATE EX-employee responds

My liberty League Experience

AUTHOR: The Truth - (Australia)

I have created this blog to share my experience and share some information with anyone who might be considering joining Liberty League International or one of these top tier business opportunities.

I have recently left Liberty League after about a year and HAVE NOT MADE ANY MONEY. I have purchased all three products, Beyond Freedom home study course and the Liberty and Summit conferences, investing USD$22,485. I took the business seriously from day one, focusing on success in this business opportunity, actively marketed the business using newspaper ads, flyers, bandit signs, google campaigns, customized websites etc and spent over $20,000 doing so. I followed the six steps to success and got on to the training calls daily, did my Beyond Freedom and other personal development. I received plenty of leads but only one training sale passed up to my adviser. My adviser has been and still is successful (in the top 3% $250k+). I honestly don't know how they can sleep at night,

The main reason for leaving, apart from $50k+ debt is the fact that this company DOES NOT OPERATE WITH INTEGRITY. They want you to step up and buy all three products, borrow money from friends or family, get an AMEX card at the local shopping centre falsifying your income, top-up your morgage, DO WHAT IT TAKES to get the money.

There are plenty of people in a similar situation to me. I have no financial gain coming from this, I just want to advise people of the risks and give my honest opinion from the "inside" as a active associate for about a year.
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My liberty League Experience

AUTHOR: The Truth - (Australia)

I have created this blog to share my experience and share some information with anyone who might be considering joining Liberty League International or one of these top tier business opportunities.

I have recently left Liberty League after about a year and HAVE NOT MADE ANY MONEY. I have purchased all three products, Beyond Freedom home study course and the Liberty and Summit conferences, investing USD$22,485. I took the business seriously from day one, focusing on success in this business opportunity, actively marketed the business using newspaper ads, flyers, bandit signs, google campaigns, customized websites etc and spent over $20,000 doing so. I followed the six steps to success and got on to the training calls daily, did my Beyond Freedom and other personal development. I received plenty of leads but only one training sale passed up to my adviser. My adviser has been and still is successful (in the top 3% $250k+). I honestly don't know how they can sleep at night,

The main reason for leaving, apart from $50k+ debt is the fact that this company DOES NOT OPERATE WITH INTEGRITY. They want you to step up and buy all three products, borrow money from friends or family, get an AMEX card at the local shopping centre falsifying your income, top-up your morgage, DO WHAT IT TAKES to get the money.

There are plenty of people in a similar situation to me. I have no financial gain coming from this, I just want to advise people of the risks and give my honest opinion from the "inside" as a active associate for about a year.
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My liberty League Experience

AUTHOR: The Truth - (Australia)

I have created this blog to share my experience and share some information with anyone who might be considering joining Liberty League International or one of these top tier business opportunities.

I have recently left Liberty League after about a year and HAVE NOT MADE ANY MONEY. I have purchased all three products, Beyond Freedom home study course and the Liberty and Summit conferences, investing USD$22,485. I took the business seriously from day one, focusing on success in this business opportunity, actively marketed the business using newspaper ads, flyers, bandit signs, google campaigns, customized websites etc and spent over $20,000 doing so. I followed the six steps to success and got on to the training calls daily, did my Beyond Freedom and other personal development. I received plenty of leads but only one training sale passed up to my adviser. My adviser has been and still is successful (in the top 3% $250k+). I honestly don't know how they can sleep at night,

The main reason for leaving, apart from $50k+ debt is the fact that this company DOES NOT OPERATE WITH INTEGRITY. They want you to step up and buy all three products, borrow money from friends or family, get an AMEX card at the local shopping centre falsifying your income, top-up your morgage, DO WHAT IT TAKES to get the money.

There are plenty of people in a similar situation to me. I have no financial gain coming from this, I just want to advise people of the risks and give my honest opinion from the "inside" as a active associate for about a year.
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#4 UPDATE EX-employee responds

My liberty League Experience

AUTHOR: The Truth - (Australia)

I have created this blog to share my experience and share some information with anyone who might be considering joining Liberty League International or one of these top tier business opportunities.

I have recently left Liberty League after about a year and HAVE NOT MADE ANY MONEY. I have purchased all three products, Beyond Freedom home study course and the Liberty and Summit conferences, investing USD$22,485. I took the business seriously from day one, focusing on success in this business opportunity, actively marketed the business using newspaper ads, flyers, bandit signs, google campaigns, customized websites etc and spent over $20,000 doing so. I followed the six steps to success and got on to the training calls daily, did my Beyond Freedom and other personal development. I received plenty of leads but only one training sale passed up to my adviser. My adviser has been and still is successful (in the top 3% $250k+). I honestly don't know how they can sleep at night,

The main reason for leaving, apart from $50k+ debt is the fact that this company DOES NOT OPERATE WITH INTEGRITY. They want you to step up and buy all three products, borrow money from friends or family, get an AMEX card at the local shopping centre falsifying your income, top-up your morgage, DO WHAT IT TAKES to get the money.

There are plenty of people in a similar situation to me. I have no financial gain coming from this, I just want to advise people of the risks and give my honest opinion from the "inside" as a active associate for about a year.
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#5 Consumer Comment

The products

AUTHOR: Randy - (U.S.A.)

One question you need to ask before getting involved with any program is if the product can stand on it's own.

Ask yourself this... Will you spend $1495 for the Beyond Freedom course if there was no opportunity attached to it?

What about $7995 for a 3-day Liberty conference?

Or $12,995 for the 5-day Summit conference?

With LLI I have yet to see anyone retailing any of these products. They market the opportunity and use the products as justification to spend that much money.

The truth is most people spend the money because they were sold on the dream of financial success and not because the product is worth the retail price.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Remember, it's personal development...

AUTHOR: Oxtwin - (U.S.A.)

You speak of brainwashing... but have you ever asked yourself about how you constrict your reality? Do you see a resemblance to your thought processes and your failures in life? There's supposed to be an equal balance of positive and negative energy in the world, and clearly you are the negative representation of that energy. Honestly, you sound to me like someone who touched the personal development part once, and then shoved it to the back of the bookshelf. I suggest you open it up, work through it, and start to open your minds eye.

I know it's sad that you failed at the business, I am struggling too. But you have completely failed at the personal development too, and for that, you have my condolences and pity sir. I used to be pessimistic like you, and at times I would let people push me around, putting me in situations I couldn't handle. You let yourself be pushed into $30,000 worth of debt without confidence to back it up. I mean, if they told you to jump off of a bridge because it would help your business, would you do it? You and others have made a mistake by not representing yourselves, and now there are lawsuits (again not representing yourselves...) Babies do not start running, they start from a crawl, what makes you think a business will be any different? You didn't learn how to crawl, and you were trying to run. Now you are crying about it... You heard just as everyone else, we are looking for leaders and business owners. I mean do you expect someone to sit there and hold your hand while you do everything? You were shown a tool, and it was your JOB to figure out how to use it. Try using the personal development again, and don't stop until you face turns red from the embarrassment that you have brought upon yourself. Again, you have my condolences and pity sir. I hope that you find that little motivation or prod that pokes you out of your destructive and feeble frame of mind.

I don't know how many other ways I can say it... REDO your personal development. It's not done. You didn't make it personal, and you surely did not develop as a result. I am not saying try and do your business again, no... just do the basic of what you bought into. Then maybe if you have a reaffirmed sense of confidence to your approach, start with step one, and try walking. Find your own business idea if you're so inclined and creative.

Aside from all of the bashing and seemingly insulting talk, I do wish you the best of luck to find the true meaning of the personal development. Seek out other forms of personal development if you have to; couple them together; mix and match things that you get results from....

Best regards,
Oxtwin
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#7 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Read Everything - The Brainwashing is Powerful!

AUTHOR: Gb - (U.S.A.)

To the person above who said "I haven't been working with this company for more then a month and haven't even made money with it yet....but I will. The one thing I do know is it's NOT a scam."

Let me quote from a friend of mine recently about an unrelated subject, but it fits - "So, you drank the kool-aid too, huh?"

I don't doubt the sincerity of your statement in any way. I say this because I was you at one point. The dollar signs were gleaming before my eyes. The conviction and power of the people in the organization and on the calls was overwhelming. This thing was FOR REAL.

Problem was... it wasn't.

It might take you 6 months or a year or two years, but the chances are EXTREMELY high that once you're $25,000 or more in the hole and not making any money, you'll be singing a different tune and be disillusioned beyond your ability to currently conceive of. I know you can't believe that now. I know that you will think I'm someone who gave up on myself or whatever line you've been told over and over to believe about me and the 95% of people who were once involved and didn't strike it rich. But you will.

Or you might be one of the 5% or so who really do make a lot of money. But realize this - if you are, you are doing at the expense and misery of 95% of the people you get involved. Either your debt or conscience will eventually wake you up to the grim reality. Unless of course you just don't care about people at all once your conscience does wake up. That's the M.O. of those who are hugely successful in this business. If that's you, then maybe this is for you. It's certainly a lot safer than robbing a bank.

And to the person who's complaining about people bitching about losing all their money - well, try and have some compassion and understanding. Perhaps if you went through it, you wouldn't be so harsh with us. For me, I read bad things about the group online, but it came from someone I deeply trusted. They're still brainwashed as far as I know - I have no idea as I haven't been in touch with them after being ripped off by them since they are still oblivious about what they're doing to people. It takes a very strong mind indeed to have that singular a focus and yet be that divorced from reality.

The reason we are going on and on about what happened to us is not to get our money back, as that isn't likely to happen. It's to let other potential suckers know what not to get into. It's because we do care. It's because we don't want anyone to suffer the way we did. The more people who speak out, the more people we'll save from misery. They will come after me and say a lot of flowery things about how wrong I am, and they'll say it so well that you might even believe them. BS is still BS when delivered by the most erudite nobel prize winner.

In closing, the old adage is often true - if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. I've found exceptions in life for sure, but Liberty League International was not one of them.

Run far away from this "opportunity." You have been warned.
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#8 Consumer Comment

Smells like...

AUTHOR: Mark - (U.S.A.)

Smells like a typical MLM to me. Cover your eyes and ears and run away.
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NOT a scam

AUTHOR: Rick - (U.S.A.)

I haven't been working with this company for more then a month and haven't even made money with it yet....but I will. The one thing I do know is it's NOT a scam. It's a business opportunity with a minimal investment and huge potential. The only people I see that are screaming about this being a scam are those who do not fit the criteria of someone who might excel with it. I was on this website before I joined and STILL joined.

making money while each day is the best day of your life sounds good to me.

Rick in MA
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Liberty League is not a scam

AUTHOR: Dave - (U.S.A.)

It amazes me how people tend to pick the eyeballs out of Liberty League. I just can't believe how cynical people can get. The business is built around a simple system, with great products.
For $2,000 you can set yourself up in your own business, and at the same time introduce yourself to incredible products.

Not everyone succeeds, and the company doesn't make those promises. This is a business, not a scheme, so you have to be prepared to work hard and for many years to make it happen.

The people who come onto this Rip off report, just don't understand the business, or i understand they may have had a bad experience with a distributor, but that has nothing to do with Liberty League, they can't control the actions of everyone.

It's like if you have a bad experience with a real estate agent, does this mean all estate agents are bad, i don't think so.

i am a distributor in this business, and i actually don't sell to anyone, i disqualify people before i qualify people, as this is not for everyone.

Millions of people are searching for a business opportunity, and this is just another way of making money, and it's all above board and legitimate.

A lady in Australia makes 1 million dollars from this business, and she had a record month of $180,000.

What's the difference between her, and someone that doesn't make any money.

She started just the same as everyone else.

I'd say she worked harder and she had more desire than the failure.

And in finishing, i just want to say that the personal improvement products are so awesome they have the ability to transform your life.

Maybe some of the LLI bashers on this site should of gone to the conferences, and they wouldn't be so cynical, and waste their time writing garbage on this forum.
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#11 Consumer Suggestion

Info.

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Income Disclosure:

http://www.libertyleague.com/compliance/income_disclosure.php


Arizona Attorney General fines Liberty League $115,000 May 2006.

www.azag.gov/press_releases/may/2006/LibertyLeagueSettlement.pdf


Lawsuit filed against Liberty League Nov. 7, 2007.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2007/11/08/LibertyLeague.pdf


Lawsuit filed against Liberty League July 25, 2008.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2008/07/31/Liberty%20League.pdf
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#12 UPDATE Employee

Liberty League is Legitmate!

AUTHOR: Pjb95 - (U.S.A.)

Liberty League is a solid company, dun and bradstreet, ever heard of them? see what rating they gave us. Did you think about doing research? the product isn't something you can "sample", it's not cheese! And eVery business has overhead costs, I have been with LLI for 6 months, and no, I havne't made "big money" yet, but what other business out there has you in the black your first quarter? I was! All I know is that I;ve met some incredible, humble VERY SUCCESSFUL people and I want what they have, which they didn't get by providing something for nothing, or whatever you meant. you truly don't understand how incredible LLI is, and probably wouldn't be the kind of person that would succeed here anyway, so it doesn't matter. But do your research!
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