- Report: #297082
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Complaint Review: Liberty League International
Liberty League Internationalwww.libertyleague.com Scottsdale, Arizona U.S.A.
Liberty League International READ THIS BEFORE JOINING!!! Scottsdale Arizona
*Author of original report: Did you even read my original post?
*Consumer Comment: This is grown folks business!
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1. If you care about your money, do not get involved with this organization.
Let me start by saying this. The company is smooth. The people are trained well and can come across as very, very polished. Their website is beautiful. Their pitches are brilliant. They have very elegant answers for everything. They'll even tell you why in one or two well crafted sentences why you shouldn't listen to someone like me and chances are you'll believe them. They really are that good. They really do have it together on a lot of levels. Don't buy it for a second. Don't be foolish like me and put a tremendous amount of money into this because of a suave package. The chances are EXTREMELY high that you'll regret it.
The product itself is decent. If you watch "The Secret" and read a couple of well-chosen books you can learn all will learn from the Beyond Freedom program for 5% of the cost or less. You can go to a well chosen workshop or two and derive the value you'll get from the LLI workshops, and likely more, for a very, very tiny fraction of the cost. That really isn't even the point though, as I never looked at the products as the goal. This organization is about making money, and the products are really a means to an end. Yes, there is some value there, but not at the price they're asking, not even close, and there are so many negatives.
One main argument you will come across from these peole when they hear about anyone complaining about this company are that we're people who just gave up on themselves and are angry. I admit that I gave up on LLI (certainly not on myself) and I'm angry (though I'm working on that).
Most people who join this business will not be successful. They tell you this up front very explicitly even, but they'll also make you feel like you're the small percentage (and I'm talking a good bit less than 10% percentage) who will really make it in this business. If you happen to have the exact right combination of personality, drive, belief, etc. and you work extremely hard, you just might be one of the very, very small minority that is successful in this business. Mind you, I have seen many other people, myself included, who are very intelligent and savvy people work very hard and dilligently at this business for a long period of time and not make anything. You might be different and you might be one of the lucky few. The chances are higher than winning the lottery that you could be one of them. Alas, here's the rub:
2. 1. If you care about other people, do not get involved with this organization.
I gave up on this business not because I thought it was unworkable. In fact, I was convinced that if I gave it my all for several months, or more likely years, and with a LOT of borrowed money, that I could have been successful with this business. I'm still convinced of it to this day. Alas, the reason I quit was not because I thought it was unworkable, but because I actually care about other people.
In the end it came down to plain black and white. If you do get people involved in this business, you will be getting tremendous sums of money from them. For many people we're talking their life savings, and for even more, people going into great amounts of debt. If you're a millionaire, then perhaps $1,500 on up to around $21,000 (what I spent) isn't a lot of money. For most people it is, and it's the result of a tremendous amount of hard work. This cannot be overstated.
More numbers: Well over 90% of these people who will be giving you what to them is the result of years of work often at great cost to their families will not be successful. It came down very simply to this. I saw too many people struggle mightily in this business, giving it their all, including myself, with nothing in return - even breaking even is tremendously difficult, and I have seen people quit their jobs, go into very heavy debt and experience a lot of pain and suffering for no reward.
Quite simply, I am not willing to put anyone else through that, and make no mistake, if you get people involved in this business, you will put more than 90% of them through this. It came down to, could I sleep at night knowing the suffering I'd be causing people? No, I could not. Would it be worth it to make one person a millionaire at the expense of 40 people who would suffer? No, I could not. I can't tell you how grateful I am that I never did get anyone involved. I wouldn't want that karma when it comes around.
Listen - their responses to this will be elegant and flawless. They will sound really intelligent and seem to make common sense. They will talk about how those people who lose money are not their responsibilities because they gave up on themselves. They will tell you about the people who came in and were wildly successful very quickly, even if those people were (and I'm being generous) one in a thousand, and say how that can be you. They put big flashy dollar signs in front of your eyes. Their workshops are very high energy, they literally have smoke and lasers. It's hard not to get caught up in the fervor of their enthusiasm and phone calls. They will even put on a performance of being very successful themselves, even if they are not. They talk about posture and putting off an appearance and air of success even if you don't have any financial success yet. This is far more than slighly misleading. Do not confuse any of this for reality.
If you care about your own money, stay away. If you care about other people, stay away. Work. Work at a business where there is no moral ambiguity. Work where the fruits of your labor are not at the expense of others. Maybe you don't care about others in that way. Then maybe this business really is for you. Tread carefully and research fully. Don't let their air of urgency rush your decision. They'll tell you the longer you wait the more money you stand to lose, or my favorite line - the most successful people in this business didn't delay and joined immediately. Due your dilligence and your homework. The dozens of unhappy stories you'll read online represent the thousands of people who didn't dare to speak up but feel the same. You really might want to think it out very carefully before you have done to you what was done to me.
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This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 01/04/2008 04:45 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Liberty-League-International/Scottsdale-Arizona/Liberty-League-International-READ-THIS-BEFORE-JOINING-Scottsdale-Arizona-297082. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.
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