• Report: #614646

Complaint Review: Lighthouse Newfoundlands Lisa Martens

  • Submitted: Wed, June 16, 2010
  • Updated: Sat, August 18, 2012

  • Reported By: Julie Thomas — Elkland Missouri United States of America
Lighthouse Newfoundlands Lisa Martens
17402 Indian Hollow Rd Grafton, Ohio United States of America

Lighthouse Newfoundlands Lisa Martens Lighthouse Newfoundlands is extremely dishonest in any dealings Grafton, Ohio

*Consumer Comment: Name Change

*General Comment: Legal Notice of Subpoena

*Consumer Comment: Lighthouse - Best Breeder in Ohio

*General Comment: I AM NOT A LIAR !!!

*Author of original report: Lisa Martens Lighthouse newfoundlands

*General Comment: Lighthouse Newfoundlands Outstanding Immaculate Dogs and Kennel

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Stay away from Lighthouse!!!

*Consumer Comment: Windancer Newfoundlands, OFA certifications?

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: yet another report by Lisa herself..

*Consumer Comment: Lighthouse newfoundland's is WONDERFUL, her pups are GORGEOUS without health issues

*Author of original report: yet another unsigned report....

*Consumer Comment: Truth be Told

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Windancer Newfoundlands Still Grasping At Straws

*Author of original report: you unsigned rebuttle

*Consumer Comment: Good Breeder

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    Lisa Martens, a single person, and Lighthouse newfoundlands is extremely dishonest and vendictive in any dealings.. I sold her a puppy which she claims to have problerms, but refuses to send me ANY documentation about ANY problem, and has proceeded to post annomamous posts any where she can around the internet posing as another individual, and finally as herself, creating lies galore . This situation is unreal. I offered numerous times to take the dog back and credit as puppies were available.. She refused.. She has refused to send Xrays, or /and reports of xray readings...That is all I ever wanted...Not this huge fiasco she has created. Numerous people have come forward telling me of the dishonesty of this individual. She lies without concience, and will do anything to destroy another person who gets in her way. Her words to me were. "I will have the last word here"  .  I am so sorry I ever had any dealings with her. Now she calls me to say she found the puppy dead..This was an 8 mo old puppy in good health, and I am shocked that she would kill the dog to make a point.. This woman is a lunitic..There are several post around this site, others in which she spelled the name 'windancer' with two D's (winddancer) Please read them all.

JUlie Thomas

Wndancer Newfoundlands


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#1 Consumer Comment

Name Change

AUTHOR: Amber I - ()

For those interested, Lighthouse Newfoundlands has recently (12-2013) changed its name and is now doing business as "Midnight Runnners Newfoundland Kennel." Lisa Martens is still the proprietor.

I will leave it to the readers to ask themselves why a kennel that claims to be ethical and even "prestigious" would suddenly change their business name.

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#2 General Comment

Legal Notice of Subpoena

AUTHOR: Thomas M. Horwitz - ()

Please take notice that Lisa A. Martens and Lisa A. Martens dba Lighthouse Newfoundlands commenced an action in the Lorain County, Ohio, Court of Common Pleas, Case No. 12CV177494, due to the deceptive and defamatory statements made by Julie Thomas in Ripoff Report No. 614646 and the deceptive and defamatory statements made by Julie Thomas in Comments 2, 5, 7, and 11, and NB in Comment 9 to Ripoff Report No. 614646.  In this action, and in compliance with Ariz. R. Civ. P. 45.1, the Clerk of the Maricopa County, Arizona, Superior Court has issued a subpoena to Ripoff Report for the contact information of the persons who posted these statements on Ripoff Report. The subpoenaed information will be sent to Thomas M. Horwitz, Esq., Thomas M. Horwitz Co., LPA, 1991 Crocker Road, Suite 600, Westlake, Ohio 44145.

The Maricopa County Superior Court is located at 201 W. Jefferson, Phoenix, Arizona, 85003.  The Lorain County Court of Common Pleas is located at 225 Court Street, Elyria, Ohio 44035.

For additional information, contact Thomas Horwitz
at 440-892-3331.
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#3 Consumer Comment

Lighthouse - Best Breeder in Ohio

AUTHOR: Jim D - ()

Lisa has been extremely helpful in helping me find my perfect Newfie. I trust her judgment and breeding practices, especially when looking in Ohio. I would highly recommend getting your new Newfoundland puppy from her.

when reading anything "bad" about Lighthouse, please consider the source. It seems as if this report was filed by a competitor. Through my extensive research, Lighthouse has continuously proven to be the most reputable breeder in Ohio and beyond. I couldnt be happier with Lisa and her professionalism and again would recommend her highly.



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#4 General Comment

I AM NOT A LIAR !!!

AUTHOR: E. Carter - (United States of America)

I am a real person who has been to Lighthouse numerous times over the past 7 years and what I wrote is absolutely FACTS and TRUTH !!! I resent the fact that you are calling me a liar regarding my post for Lighthouse Newfoundlands. How dare you !!!
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#5 Author of original report

Lisa Martens Lighthouse newfoundlands

AUTHOR: Julie Thomas - (United States of America)

 
    The above is yet  another report written by Lisa herself.....let's just stop all this nonesense,,,all
the consumer has to do is call around.. It is real easy.. I can't tell you of ONE breeder that will
support Lisa Martens.....and I have been breeding for 20 years...

Windancer Newfoundlands
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#6 General Comment

Lighthouse Newfoundlands Outstanding Immaculate Dogs and Kennel

AUTHOR: E. Carter - (United States of America)

Over the past 7 years I have been to Lighthouse Newfoundland Kennel numerous times and each and every time I have NEVER witnessed anything but the cleanest and most well maintained kennel possible. I was a pet ground transporter and visited Lighthouse many times. Sometimes arriving without notice in the middle of the night or first thing in the morning before dawn. Even arriving in the middle of the night unannounced, Lisa was never rude or short tempered. Each time Lisa's kennel was spotless and there was NEVER a doggie odor.  Lisa's dogs are always completely clean and impeccably groomed as well as her kennel and outside dog runs are immaculate and well maintained. During the cold winter her inside kennels are properly heated for the dogs and they always have clean and dry bedding. Most of the kennels I visited during the winter were cold, dirty, damp and the dogs were wet and smelly with urine odor. It was very refreshing to see a breeder that takes such extraordinary care of her dogs and kennel. Being a Newfie lover and a Newfie owner myself, I would definately buy my next puppy from Lisa, even sight unseen just because of her reputation and her dedication to this breed.
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#7 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Stay away from Lighthouse!!!

AUTHOR: NB - (United States of America)

Lighthouse Newfoundlands and her "puppets" have been writing false accusations about other breeders for some time now and it needs to stop.  Lighthouse Newfoundlands is one of THE WORST breeders EVER.

As for the saying "people living in glass houses should not throw stones", I suggest Lighthouse and her puppets stop talking about other places and defending her (as her BF who is a breeder did, and if you read his web site he is the total opposite kind of breeder than what Lighthouse is).  I am a Newfoundland breeder and have people buyers from Ohio (and long time Newfoundland owners) who mentioned visiting Lighthouse and said the conditions were terrible.  They said she would only let one or 2 dogs out and brought a young puppy out for the kennel building.  They said the dogs were a matted mess and she wouldn't let them in the kennel (any good breeder should let you see their facilities). 

They have now bought 2 Newfoundland dogs from me and are waiting for their third.  They said they left Lighthouse and would NEVER buy a puppy from her.  I have encouraged them to write to the AKC (being that she is a breed of "Merit" - which anyone can be, you just make sure all the puppies get registered yourself rather than giving buyers the papers making sure all puppies are registered).  If being a "Breeder of Merit" means being like Lighthouse, no thanks, I don't want to be one!  I have also had her buyers call me for advice on their puppies because she was difficult to talk to and would not help them after getting a puppy, what kind of breeder is that?

I am tired of these people (Lighthouse and puppets) trying to slam other good breeders' reputations.  The breeders she slams all do health testing on their breeding dogs, vet and cardio checks on their puppies, does she?  Look at offa.org and you will see many Lighthouse Newfs, but not many in recent years.  They are setting themselves up for some major lawsuits.  Ask ANYONE in the Newfoundland community (other than Lighthouse's BF of course) and they will tell you about her reputation.  She has screwed over so many people and other breeders it is horrible.  Many too afraid to speak up because this woman and her friends are CRAZY and will go to all lengths to try to ruin good people.  Yes, KARMA will win eventually, but I hate it that it in the meantime so many good people are being hurt.
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#8 Consumer Comment

Windancer Newfoundlands, OFA certifications?

AUTHOR: Sandi Kolp-Tocco - (United States of America)

I'm writing in response to the multiple rants by Julie Thomas, owner of Windancer Newfoundlands in Missouri against Lisa, owner of Lighthouse Newfs in Ohio.

There are several Rip-off reports on this website which Ms. Thomas has chosen to comment to, the oddest rant is one in which she hasn't any vested interest, does not involve her in any way, shape or form and is about another Ohio breeder which she's never met! It would seem Julie Thomas of Windancer Newfoundlands is using any platform regarding Newfoundland dogs to launch nothing more than a smear campaign against Ms. Martens of Lighthouse. Windancer does NOT provide any facts or proof to back-up her statements, and the story Ms. Thomas tells is ever changing. But I digress.

Eleven years ago I was a client of Lighthouse Newfs. Today I own two of her dogs, one being my girl I bought 11 years ago, and have been a friend of Lisa's for almost as long. I have seen her kennels, all her dogs, her specially built whelping room in her home, and can state as a fact that she puts her dogs first. She has turned away potential clients because she didn't think they would be a good home for her puppies and busted her behind to earn the title, "Breeder of Merit" from the AKC.

The temperament and health of both of my Lighthouse dogs are what Lisa is most concerned with in her breeding program. Over the years I have come to know other owners of dogs from Lighthouse and with rare exception, all are thrilled with their dogs.

The only people that ever seem to take issue with Ms. Martens and her kennel, are other breeders such as Julie Thomas of Windancer. Someone I would like to point out, that has never met Lisa, nor been to her kennel. It's my humble opinion that the tirade of Windancer is nothing more than envy and 'sour grapes'.

**Just as a side note to Julie Thomas: This website states, "DO NOT sign your name, or include any e-mail address in the report", but please rest assured, I am not Ms. Martens.

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#9 REBUTTAL Owner of company

yet another report by Lisa herself..

AUTHOR: Julie Thomas - (United States of America)

 Lisa continues to post reports by herself under a host of assumed named glorifying her kennel and dogs....please just check around the internet and breeders to discover Lisa's horrible reputation. People never cease to amaze me, but this woman takes the cake. An absolute pathalogical liar.  please read the 'thanksgiving puppies' on newfiepuppies.org to get a long story about dealing with Lisa...and the lengths she is willing to go to and put people thru.
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#10 Consumer Comment

Lighthouse newfoundland's is WONDERFUL, her pups are GORGEOUS without health issues

AUTHOR: Elani - (Canada)

I have 3 dogs from Lisa at Lighthouse newfoundland's and they are just beautiful healthy pups with wonderful temperaments. I am so fortunate that I found a breeder like Lisa and not a nut case breeder like This Julie at windancer, selling sick puppies that die at 6 or 8 months old and goes on ripoff to try to hurt another breeder instead of just refunding these poor people their money for her screwed up breeding program. It saddens me to see Lisa caught up in such a mess when she is wonderful to deal with and rest assured you will never be disappointed in a Lighthouse Newfoundland Pup!!

I don't know this Julie but from what I read you seriously need to STOP breeding and leave Lisa alone and seek mental help, even your reports are up and down, try keeping your lies straight and quit posing as other people to hurt Lisa, I hope her laywers put you away for good, at least in jail you will receive the mental help you need and 3 balanced meals a day and there will be no more sick puppies you can breed

what a messed up world we live in

 

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#11 Author of original report

yet another unsigned report....

AUTHOR: Julie Thomas - (United States of America)

 

   Since you have also chosen to remain un named, you are also hard to believe.. I do not yell at people....never have...there is no reason for it.. I did hang up on Lisa, after I found out she lied to me from her own vet, and after she refused to send me any kind of vet report, and still has not. She choose instead to make my life as miserable as she could. For what reason I do not know. I liked Lisa and thought she was my friend. I was totally shocked at her total unreasonableness in this whole affair. I believe that this stems from my catching her in a lie...IF anyone (the unnamed poster) could have Lisa send her the report from OFA, which she will not send to me, I can forward you her email of lies. I absolutely did talk to Dr Keller at OFA...call him...No breeder in the world is going to credit someone for a dog they say died from unknown causes, and not send a report as to the prior skeletal problems...why ? Just publish it right here, Lisa...for all to see.. Then we will see who is lying.. What hurts my feelings more is for the second poster to say I yelled at her...I am always thrilled for my puppies to go into good homes and be so loved...thank you..I might not recognize somone after 4 years without going to records. who could? Maybe you should buy your next puppy from Lisa...but go read www.newfiepuppies.org first....not just my story. If Lisa want to get a lawyer....go for it.. It is not slander if it is true..besides, I was not the first poster...She started all this...under an assumed name.. I have never sold a puppy to a  "Kristeenah" in my life, and certainly not Colorado.. In addition the b***h she claims the puppy was out of has not had puppies for 1 1/2 years..That is how SHE started all this and I have the records to prove it.  IN addition..I believe she dropped said dog off at a shelter after hours, with a note saying he had 'multiple skeletal issues." I am getting this dog DNA'd and will get this streightened out once and for all.The puppy had a 'loose right hip' common in a six month old. I think lisa missed out on a great dog....how about you..."un named" who chooses to join in with no information? How was your dog ? My vaccine protocol is a result of an experience I had years ago when an individualo walked in the door unannounced, brought parvo in on their shoes, and I lost a whole litter. I don't mind if I 'waste vaccine' to make sure they are immune... No one knows the mothers immunity without a titer test..I have a right to follow the regimen I feel is right and has been successful for me.

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#12 Consumer Comment

Truth be Told

AUTHOR: anonymous - (United States of America)

When you read these reports it's hard to tell what is true and what is not.  Anyone can lie.  Personally, I do not have any experience with Lisa or her newfs other than one phone call.  I do have experience with Julie and can sadly report that it is true that she vaccinates her puppies fully prior to shipping them.  I know because when we took our puppy from her to the vet, he gave the needed vaccination for his age.  When we got him home, he threw up and I was extremely concerned so I called Julie.  She replied "That dog is fully vaccinated!" and then proceeded to lecture and yell at me about housebreaking when I was more concerned about my puppies health.  Over the next four years I avoided Julie, but we greatly enjoyed our beautiful newf.  He passed suddenly at age four and in an effort to recieve condolence I emailed Julie to let her know what an awesome dog he was.  She didn't even remember me, so I emailed her info and pictures. Her response was that he "was beautiful."  and "He should have been shown".  He was in truth an awesome pet and loved being a pet.  We wish we had had a breeder who understood that and could share our joys and our sorrows. The brief time I spoke with Lisa on the phone I could tell that she was still in great pain over the loss of her puppy and I do not believe that she could have done anything to harm him.

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#13 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Windancer Newfoundlands Still Grasping At Straws

AUTHOR: Lisa - (United States of America)

Let it be known that we do have an attorney, Ms. Thomas, and Doug and I will not tolerate anymore of your libel and false allegations.


You did NOT talk to Dr. Keller at OFA.  In addition, I have several e-mails from people who bought dogs from you in the past, stating how poorly you treated them when they clearly had problems with pups you sold them; exactly the same way you are treating us.  The problem with you, Julie Thomas, is that you think you are a veterinarian, and you are not.  You have your own ideations and choose to ignore the problems in your lines, and most importantly, you treat your puppy buyers horribly.


This is a FALSE Rip Off Report that you made up, and you know it.  Everything that you have written is false.


Maybe you should spend more time taking care of your dogs instead of playing games on the Internet.  Also, I suggest you rethink your vaccine protocol.  Giving four sets of vaccines before they are eight weeks of age?  Who does that?  Not anyone that I know, certainly.  You did not offer "numerous times" to take the puppy back.  You can't be serious: you hung up up on me and Doug SEVERAL times.  That's how you chose to deal with it.  At this point, I don't think anyone cares about the circus you are creating on this Web site.


My mistake for ever trusting you.  You have no idea how much pain and suffering you have caused.

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#14 Author of original report

you unsigned rebuttle

AUTHOR: Julie Thomas - (United States of America)

 

    I read with interest your unsigned rebuttle...If as you say this person is long known to you, then you cannot possibly be without knowledge that she lies without concience..She lied about the condition of the dog, firstly, as was evidenced by her own vet and Dr Keller at OFA, whom I talked to.. Secondly, she refused to send me anything at all supporting her claims. And still has not.  As I said before, I repeatedly asked her to send the dog back for credit...regardless..but was refused. Thirdly, you may be right that she did not kill the dog.. I now have reason to believe that she dropped the dog off at a shelter after hours, with a note saying he had "Multiple skeletal  issues". I intend to DNA said dog, to prove the disgusting lengths she will go to to "Have the last word" . If she is your friend (and I thought she was mine) Honey, you don't need enemies...She will get you to soon enough. For more information on the actions of this individual go to www.newfiepuppies.org to read about other people's like experiences.

Windancer

Julie Thomas

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#15 Consumer Comment

Good Breeder

AUTHOR: newfie lover - (USA)

I have done business with Lighthouse Newfoundlands for years. Lisa is a very reputable breeder, she stands behind all her dogs no matter what. This woman who posted  both ripoff reports is a not a reputable breeder and would not stand behind a dog she sold. I would recommend Lighthouse Newfoundlands to any person wanting to buy a Newfoundland Dog !! She has wonderful pups and dogs..
  Lisa would never kill any animal. If she says she found it dead she is telling the truth ! Don't think I would trust the woman that posted both ripoff reports...
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