- Report: #426220
Complaint Review: Little Red Stables / Bear Creek At Estes / Cat Brantz (manager)
| Little Red Stables / Bear Creek At Estes / Cat Brantz (manager) 3033 S. Estes Street
Lakewood, Colorado U.S.A. |
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Little Red Stables / Bear Creek At Estes / Cat Brantz manager kicked my horse out on 8 hours' notice, threatened legal action to try to keep me quiet Lakewood Colorado
*UPDATE Employee: Please feel free to ask.
*Author of original report: Bear Creek Saddle Club/Bear Creek Stables has a new website
*Consumer Suggestion: Border Comment on the Issues at Little Red Stables/Bear Creek At Estes Stables
*Author of original report: Little Red Stables is now Bear Creek Saddle Club!
*UPDATE Employee: That's not true
*UPDATE Employee: Little Red Stables and Cat Brantz
*Author of original report: Cat Brantz's friends call me
*UPDATE Employee: Cat is good girl
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It is my opinion that people have a right to know how this particular business conducts itself, so that they can make informed decisions about whether to board at this barn.
I started boarding at this barn back in December of 2007, when Karen Wiens managed it. The owners of the property, Gregg Hartmann and another neighbor whose name I don't remember, refused to renew her lease when it was up on July 31, and took over Little Red Stables on August 1. Cat Brantz replaced Karen as manager.
I had made an arrangement with Cat Brantz where I cleaned stalls daily in exchange for board. It clearly states on my contract that cleaning stalls was my job and my only job. On August 31, Cat texted me at 7:30 in the morning to request that I help her with "musical stalls" (moving horses around) at the barn. I asked a couple of questions, discovered she was going to move a horse she didn't seem to like out of his stall without his owner's permission. I knew his owner would be upset, and furthermore moving horses was not my job, so I declined to help her.
When I got to the barn around 9:30 a.m., Cat Brantz gave me notice that I would have to leave in 2 weeks. She also threatened that if I caused trouble, she'd make it less. Since the contract stated she had to give 2 weeks notice, I argued this point with her. She ended up telling me I had to move my horse by 5:00 p.m. that day. I don't remember exactly what time this was at, but it was definitely no more than 8 hours' notice.
It turns out the contract states that they can request someone to leave immediately if it's "related to operation of the facility." To me, that doesn't sound like it covers disagreements and personal dislikes, but it's rather vague and that should have sounded warnings in my head when I first read the contract. Next time I know better.
Anyone who has horses knows that it is extremely difficult to find transportation AND a place to board your horse at the last minute. Commercial barns all require a recent vet check before you can move your horse there. So needless to say, I had to scramble to find a place for my horse by 5 p.m. If I couldn't find a place, Cat Brantz threatened to have a transportation company come and get him.
I don't want other people to have to go through this same thing with Little Red Stables, but for a long time the experience was too painful to write about it. However, in the last week I noticed Little Red Stables was advertising on Craigslist. I posted a response that said this:
"Before you board at this barn, you should know that the new manager, Cat Brantz (NOT Karen Wiens!), kicked me out with only 8 hours' notice -- over a DISAGREEMENT. Do you know how difficult it is to find transportation and a place for your horse in 8 hours???
At the very least, read the contract carefully. It contains a loophole that permits them to do this! All they have to do is claim that the reason is "related to operation of the facility." It's in the first paragraph! Don't overlook it -- I wouldn't wish what I went through on my worst enemy!"
This afternoon I received a voice message from Cat Brantz saying that my post had been "handed off to the attorneys" for "slander."
I have the right to free speech as long as I am not spreading lies about a company. Everything that I said in my Craigslist post and in this report is the truth, and I have all of the documentation necessary to prove this.
I personally feel that potential boarders have a right to know how Little Red Stables and Cat Brantz conduct themselves. Using a loophole in the contract to kick someone out on short notice is bad enough, but now they are also trying to strongarm me into keeping quiet about it. I feel that people need to know about this kind of behavior so that they can ask themselves if this is really the kind of place where they want to board their horses.
Katharine
Englewood, Colorado
U.S.A.
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Please feel free to ask.
AUTHOR: Cat brantz, manager - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, March 29, 2010
Thanks so much!
Cat Brantz
#2 Author of original report
Bear Creek Saddle Club/Bear Creek Stables has a new website
AUTHOR: Katharine - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Friday, April 10, 2009
This is the same exact place as Little Red Stables, the horse boarding stables that kicked me out on 8 hours' notice.
It has been suggested that this is simply a misunderstanding that can be resolved. If there was a misunderstanding, it was not on my part! I have it in writing that I needed to move my horse by the end of the day. That is not some simple misunderstanding -- it was an emergency situation that caused me a lot of stress, not to mention the financial burden of having to find a place for my horse and someone to transport him at the last minute. It can't be undone and therefore there is no way to resolve it. Unless you want to risk being in the same situation I suggest you stay away from this place!
Finally, I have also been accused of threatening people at the barn. THIS IS A LIE! I did not threaten anyone. I told both Cat and the owner that if they went through with kicking me out on less than 2 weeks' notice, I would post my experiences online. That is not a threat -- it is called freedom of speech, and I have every right to tell others about my experience with this barn!
#3 Consumer Suggestion
Border Comment on the Issues at Little Red Stables/Bear Creek At Estes Stables
AUTHOR: Caburris - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, April 06, 2009
CBurris
#4 Author of original report
Little Red Stables is now Bear Creek Saddle Club!
AUTHOR: Katharine - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Tuesday, March 24, 2009
BEAR CREEK SADDLE CLUB IS THE SAME AS LITTLE RED STABLES, RUN AND OWNED BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO KICKED ME OUT ON LESS THAN 8 HOURS NOTICE!
Please note that I have all of the proof necessary -- including text messages, recorded conversations, and voice mails -- to demonstrate that Cat Brantz used a loophole in the contract to kick me out based on a simple disagreement, that I did nothing wrong, and that she threatened legal action when I exercised my right to tell others about what happened to me.
#6 UPDATE Employee
Little Red Stables and Cat Brantz
AUTHOR: Nhragirl1313 - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Thursday, March 05, 2009
#7 Author of original report
Cat Brantz's friends call me
AUTHOR: Katharine - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, February 23, 2009
My husband received a call from one of the same numbers.
Cat had already left me a message threatening me with legal action, so why did she need to continue trying to call me? Let alone have her friends try calling me? This kind of behavior seems to me like it belongs in high school, not coming from the manager of a business. So once again, I feel that potential boarders have a right to know how this barn and its manager conduct themselves BEFORE deciding to board at this barn.
#8 UPDATE Employee
Cat is good girl
AUTHOR: Forgetit - (U.S.A.)
SUBMITTED: Monday, February 23, 2009

