Lucy Creek Arms Timothy M. Miller Deceptive, Lies, Under Investigation, Repeat Offender of Bad Business Practices, Won't keep time lines Lampasas, Texas
I attempted to purchase a short barreled firearm from Mr. Miller and his business (a business run out of the lower level/garage area of his home) in September of 2011 on a payment plan with $500 as a down payment and a pay off balance of $2,360 (with ATF form 4 fees included). I was told once I had paid half of the complete balance my ATF form 4 would be sent for processing and the weapon released to me when both the form return and balance is paid. The same day i was also told it generally takes 4 to 6 months for these papers to be returned.
January 2012 my balance was half paid and I continued to make payments to Mr Miller expecting a return in paperwork by mid to later summer at the latest. I had made contact with Mr. Miller on several occasions by telephone about the status of my ATF form 4. He noted that it was sent off the beginning of February and he would contact me as soon as the forms returned on three separate occasions. Needless to say it is now November of 2012 and i had yet to hear a return from Mr. Miller.
Taking matters in to my own hands i searched the Web and came across this page outlining Mr. Millers previous bad business practices and dug further. I called the ATF field offices in Austin and San Antonio inquiring about my paperwork and if it had even been sent in. I was told there have been multiple issues with Mr. Miller and his business and he is currently under investigation for such practices.
The ATF field office also gave me the telephone number to the NFA office where all ATF Form 4's are sent for processing. Upon reaching them I inquired about my paperwork again only to find out that nothing has ever been sent to them in my name for processing. Now being armed with said information my spouse and I returned to Lucy Creek Arms to confront Mr. Miller.
When we first pulled up there was a for sale by owner sign on the fence facing the highway with Mr. Millers telephone number, as we got closer to the home/business we noticed racks of clothing, tables of nick nacks etc all labeled for sale and a sign saying "everything on this table for $1.00). The bad news just keeps piling up at this point and I am glad i physically went to this business.
I had asked Mr. Miller the status of my paperwork again already knowing the answer myself to see where this may lead. I was informed that he had still yet to recieve my paperwork back and that it should be any time now and id be contacted once it had returned once again. I then informed Mr. Miller that i was aware it hadn't been sent at all and I would like a full refund of my balance. He once again assured me it had been sent. I informed him i had called the ATF and NFA and they had stated otherwise, at this point his tone had changed and was willing to give me a full refund of my money paid. Stating at this point he didn't have the full amount but would have it within 8 to 10 days.
The 9th day after this confrontation i called Mr. Miller and had gotten a voicemail box and left a message stating he was now 9 days in his cycle and tomorrow i would expect my payment. Three hours later i received a return call where he had stated he still doesn't have the funds and will need more time. I asked how much time was needed and Mr. Miller wouldn't express a time lime for repayment. I stated how uncomfortable i was with the situation being his home is for sale and he was having a garage sale and didn't inform me, his customer to receive merchandise of this move. At this time he had stated he will be moving his business to Liberty Hill, Texas.
Following this phone call I have called to report such instance to the local county sheriffs office and will soon be filing a report with the ATF. DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THIS MAN!!!! I don't know about any of you but I have certainly never heard of an owner not notifying customers of a pending move or sale of my business property location. Nor have i ever heard a firearms business not being able to pay a debt in the amount of something so low (that is until i saw the reports here of course). I wish i would have seen these reports sooner then i wouldn't be fighting so hard today to get back whats mine. Please learn from my mistake and the others like me. STAY AWAY FROM THIS MAN AND HIS BUSINESS!!
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