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  • Submitted: Thu, December 22, 2011
  • Updated: Wed, November 13, 2013

  • Reported By: Justice — Beverly Hills California United States of America
MTJJ Of California LLC
1250 Oakmead Parkway Suite 210 Sunnyvale, California United States of America

MTJJ Of California LLC Tom Papa SCAM AND FRADULENT COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE FUNDING TRANSACTIONS. Sunnyvale, California

*Consumer Comment: Thomas Papa back in court

*Consumer Comment: Information

*Consumer Comment: Thomas Papa has hired a private lawyer.

*Consumer Comment: What ever happened to Tommy Boy ???

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Thomas Papa will have a hearing on 9/27.

*Consumer Comment: Bankruptcy filing involving the Papas

*Consumer Comment: Tom files for Bankruptcy protection

*Consumer Comment: Tom Papa - Ideas on What To Do From Here

*Consumer Comment: Thomas Papa Scammed me Also Please Help

*Consumer Comment: Info on Papa

*Consumer Comment: Those who are outside California, call the FBI.

*Consumer Comment: Fraud - Thomas Papa

*Consumer Comment: Lawsuit

*Consumer Comment: Also Defrauded

*Consumer Comment: Victims of Fraud Preparing Suit

*Consumer Comment: TP in Jail

*Consumer Comment: Don't Let Tom scare you with empty Threats!!!

*Consumer Comment: Thanks but no thanks

*Consumer Suggestion: MTJJ of California LLC

*Consumer Comment: All show and no go

*Consumer Comment: I'm shaking in my boots!!!!!

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Owners of Company wrong as usual

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Tom Responds to Matt 42 and Steven Wynn, Haha

*Consumer Comment: MTJJ of California partners

*Consumer Comment: TOM IS AT IT AGAIN !!! BEWARE

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Tom answers ban together

*Consumer Comment: BAN TOGETHER

*Consumer Comment: Payment

*Consumer Comment: Return our money!

*Consumer Comment: The real side of Tom Papa

*Consumer Comment: STAN AND STEPHEN OWNERS OF COMPANY

*Consumer Comment: Tom does not respond

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: My response was to poster Mat32 Comment 28

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Ill Informed

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Referring Comment

*Consumer Suggestion: Hey Tom, Your request has been granted! The Names,Business and Persons are now named! PARTY IS OVER FOR YOU!!

*Consumer Comment: HC have you recieved your refund ???

*Consumer Comment: Tom Papa

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Tom Responds

*Consumer Comment: Only You

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Tom Responds

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Tom Answers

*Consumer Comment: Now, word starts getting around.

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Miami Hotel

*Consumer Comment: Taken

*Consumer Comment: MTJJ / THOAMS R. PAPA

*Consumer Comment: Hahaha

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Tom Papa responds

*Consumer Comment: No payment

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Tom Papa Responds

*Consumer Comment: Lasher and Tom Papa

*Consumer Comment: no payment

*Consumer Comment: Satisfied customer S Lasher

*Consumer Comment: payment

*Consumer Comment: satisfied customer??

*Consumer Comment: S. Lasher customer

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: 911 Broker

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Independent broker

*Author of original report: Tom Papa with MTJJ of California LLC Full Refund

*Consumer Comment: MTJJ of Cal. and Thomas Papa

*Author of original report: MTJJ OF CALIFORNIA LLC & WIRE FRAUD!

*Author of original report: MTJJ of California LLC & Thomas Papa is a SCAM!

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: Not True, Call for Legal Paperwork

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If you are a independent broker and have a client seeking private funding for your commercial real estate project or potential client stay away from MTJJ of California LLC. The front man is Thomas R Papa he comes across a pompus snake oil salesman. His pitch is he can fund your project in a little as 2 weeks BUT you must pay a UP FRONT DEPOSIT fee in most cases. He says instead of putting the deposit in an escrow account it must go in his personal Bank Of The West account.

If you get that far in the process you will notice when you get close to your funding date you will notice he has done very little due dilligence in regards to reading a purchase agreement,feasability study, appraisal etc. He will come across as incompetent. He has an very shaky Letter Of Intent I mean promissory note that he contructs as a funding agreement.

As it gets closer to the funding date agreed upon he will drag the process on and use stall tactics to push the funding back. Eventually he will just be stringing the client along with false dreams of getting the project funded. At the end of the day YOU PROJECT WILL NOT GET FUNDED!!! YOU WILL GET A BOAT LOAD OF EXCUSES!!!! If you are so lucky you may be able to get your 6 figure deposit back!

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 12/22/2011 12:36 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/MTJJ-Of-California-LLC/Sunnyvale-California-94085/MTJJ-Of-California-LLC-Tom-Papa-SCAM-AND-FRADULENT-COMMERCIAL-REAL-ESTATE-FUNDING-TRANSACT-813017. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Thomas Papa back in court

AUTHOR: BulldogForTheRippedOff - (USA)

Info update:

Inmate Details 
First Name:THOMAS
Middle Name:RANDY 
Last Name:PAPA 
PFN: BFC518 
CEN: 12025137  
Housing Facility: ELMWOOD M-8 
Sex:M 
Bail Amount:No Bail Allowed  
Booking Date:06/06/2012 
Release Date: 

Court Appearances 
SNO: 1
COURT CODE: 43470
COURT DEPT: 38
DATE: 01/28/2013
TIME: 13:30 
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#2 Consumer Comment

Information

AUTHOR: ww125 - (United States of America)

does anyone know where you can look to see what is going on with this case ? ...Scumbag has no money to pay anyone back but all of the sudden someone pays for his legal team ....just too funny....
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#3 Consumer Comment

Thomas Papa has hired a private lawyer.

AUTHOR: J2260 - (United States of America)

Since Thomas Papa has hired his own lawyer instead of using public defense lawyer the hearing has been postponed to 12/12/2012. He claimed his friend pays for it. lied as usual.  Again, he has no money to pay us but has money to pay a lawyer. Hope he gets full sentence. 10+ years. 
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#4 Consumer Comment

What ever happened to Tommy Boy ???

AUTHOR: ww125 - (United States of America)

Does anyone know what the final verdict was for this scum bag.
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#5 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Thomas Papa will have a hearing on 9/27.

AUTHOR: J2260 - (United States of America)

Thomas Papa will have a preliminary hearing on 9/27 9:30 AM at 190 W. Hedding St., San Jose, Department 23.  Whoever was defrauded by him and is close by should try to make an effort to attend.  At this time, the prosecutor is asking for 10 years 4 months, based on 9 victims and more than $500K defrauded.  However, he still has victims out of state totaling $800K.  Hopefully, the judge will agree to a longer sentence.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Bankruptcy filing involving the Papas

AUTHOR: DA Attorney California - (United States of America)

Hi:  I am the attorney that posted the notes as 49 and 53.  The last note mentions a bankruptcy by Thomas Papa.  This is not totally correct, but largely or functionally correct.  On June 29, 2012 an Involuntary Bankruptcy Chapter 7 was filed against Tom Papa and Mary Jansen Papa.  On July 23, 2012 Mary Papa filed (for no one knows the reason) her own Chapter 7 bankruptcy.  These were filed in the federal San Jose bankruptcy court and can be viewed as the prior post noted.  The Involuntary was filed to allow the bankruptcy trustee to collect all assets possible and distribute them to creditors that the Papas have defrauded.  It is hoped the trustee will also reach back and undue payments Papa made with money fraudulently obtained, and many of these payments sought to be undone were made to gambling casinos in Las Vegas.  If you are someone who was scammed or defrauded by the Papas you may wish to file a Notice of Creditors claim with the bankruptcy court in these bankruptcy cases.  This site was helpful in getting 5 individuals and groups together who were scammed and they filed the Involuntary Bankruptcy.

 
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#7 Consumer Comment

Tom files for Bankruptcy protection

AUTHOR: matt42 - (United States of America)

Tom looks for bankruptcy protection.

See link

http://www.canb.uscourts.gov/files/Johnson%20cals%20for%20wk%20of%208-20.pdf
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#8 Consumer Comment

Tom Papa - Ideas on What To Do From Here

AUTHOR: DA Attorney California - (United States of America)

Hi, I am the attorney that posted 49, 52 and 54 above.  The cite does not let me list who I am or how to contract me.  I can give you info that I have learned to date and ideas on what to do.
First, Papa is in jail on two million bail, and the DA's position on bail should mean Papa will not get out any time soon.
Second, when Papa was arrested his office was searched, computers, records, and cell phone seized.  The police then seized the bank accounts they knew of.  I was told by the investigator on Tuesday that there is very little in those accounts.  The computers etc are being studied by Santa Clara police.
Third, the investigator informed me that they are aware of approximately 20 victims over many states and some international.
Fourth, the investigator informed me that the records have also shown involvement in unlawful on line gambling, involving people internationally, but gave no more details.
Fifth, the investigator and others in Santa Clara County involved in this have advised that due to the scope of the frauds, the geographic diversity of the victims and those involved, and the cost to prosecute based on these factors, the best way to handle this would be IF THE FBI took the case on.  I was advised that IF EACH VICTIM contracted its local FBI office and submitted a complaint about this fraud that such a wave of complaints COULD  help convince the FBI to take on the criminal matter.
Sixth, civil litigation will not hurt the FBI taking it on, and can formalize you as a victim when this gets all sorted out.
Seventh, if a bankruptcy is filed then the bankruptcy court could go back 90 days from the filing and try to recovery payments Papa made to others and distribute those funds to lawful creditors and victims.
If you want to contact me try dialing on your phone using the letters here without reference to the 1 before area code, g1j pjwtga1.  Wish you all the best recovery from the damage that may have been caused.
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#9 Consumer Comment

Thomas Papa Scammed me Also Please Help

AUTHOR: Dwayne - (Canada)

I was scammed by Thomas Papa for $45,000 also on a real estate deal Tom never funded and was paid the 45K to be supposedly be put in an earnest Trust Account waiting funding that never happened. Please call or write to me. The Santa Clara DA Paul Collin and Detective Jamie Gauthier have my documents already and are examinating them for possible criminal charges, we need a class action and also 5 other people have contacted me with over $467,000 on stolen deposits too please respond.

David (((ROR redacted)))


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#10 Consumer Comment

Info on Papa

AUTHOR: DA Attorney California - (United States of America)

I wrote post 49 and 52.  In accord with the Ripoff Policy I do not list my telephone number or e-mail address or name.  If you wish to write me the address to write to is 1717 Redwood Lane, Davis, California.

The Court hearing yesterday for Mr. Papa was continued.  In the post number 53 there was a mention of contacting the FBI.  I have learned the FBI has been involved, but no specific agent has yet been assigned to the matter.  The FBI sub-office in Campbell has been the office involved so far.
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#11 Consumer Comment

Those who are outside California, call the FBI.

AUTHOR: ASG-Miami - (United States of America)

I've been following the posts here on ripoffreport.com for the last number of months. I have finally decided to come forward after 12 months of listening to the lies and excuses of Thomas R. Papa. I was probably the last person to speak with him before he was picked up by the authorities. I reside in Miami and because Im outside the California State line, it means that Papa broke federal laws. My attorney and I have been in contact with the FBI in both Miami and San Jose. They have been in contact with the Santa Clara District Attorney and they are pursuing this as well. I urge everyone who is lives outside the State of California, to contact the FBI in San Jose. The number is 408-369-8900. When you call, let the Agent know that it is regarding Thomas Papa.

I will fully cooperate with the Federal and State Authorities. I have FULL documentation that proves my complaint against Mr. Papa. He  broke the law and probably a number of laws.

For anyone who is pursuing a law suit against Mr. Papa, please have your attorney contact my attorney at (((ROR redacted)))

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#12 Consumer Comment

Fraud - Thomas Papa

AUTHOR: DA Attorney California - (United States of America)

I am the attorney who is listed above from California.  For those of you who posted that you would like to find out more information by contacting me, I am having trouble figuring out how to get it to you since this site does not want me to list my name and e-mail address.

Here are some basics I have learned and done:
1) I talked with the Santa Clara County DA office and Mr. Papa was arrested on June 6, 2012 on two counts, one of grand theft, and the other forgery.
2) Mr. Papa is currently in jail in Santa Clara County in the Elmwood jail on $2,000,000 bail.
3) Mr. Papa has a court hearing at 9:30 am June 14th to enter a plea and deal with bail in department 23 at 190 Heading Street, San Jose.
4) Others who have been defrauded need to get their matter before the DA as well as consider filing a civil action.
5) I am filing a civil action very shortly on behalf of one or more entities that have been defrauded, have have talked with three just today and there are more.

I hope we can figure out some way to contact each other if you would like to talk with me on this matter.
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#13 Consumer Comment

Lawsuit

AUTHOR: Robert of San Ramon - (USA)

I was a victim of Thomas Papa and MTJJ of California.  I would like info concerning your Lawsuit.  Please provide as much info as possible.  Thank you
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#14 Consumer Comment

Also Defrauded

AUTHOR: JoJo - (United States of America)

I too have been defrauded and want to see Tom Papa in jail for the rest of his mortal life. He has promised to be the lender for a property which was supposedly to have been purchased from one of the big three lenders. I would like to see what Davis has to say. This supposed transaction has gone on for over a year with nothing to show for it but fraud and deception.
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#15 Consumer Comment

Victims of Fraud Preparing Suit

AUTHOR: DA Attorney California - (United States of America)

I represent a group of investors that were defrauded by Tom Papas and MTJJ, Inc.  The fraud involved obtaining funds prior to placing the loans, which did not happen.  The fraud also involved representations of lines of credit with Merril Lynch, and that Rambas Marketing owned by Wynn, was involved in the financing.  I am not able to list my name or e-mail address, but if you too were defrauded you have the right to sue for that fraud.  If you would like information about the suit that we file, which will be done shortly, please post something to that effect.  I will try to include the case number or other relevant information so you can see what we have done in the suit.  I expect the suit to be filed in court before the end of June, and possibly by June 20, 2012.
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#16 Consumer Comment

TP in Jail

AUTHOR: Robert of San Ramon - (United States of America)

Thomas Papa was arrested June 7, 2012 in Santa Clara County.  For more details, please look at the other rip-off reports concerning Thomas Papa
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#17 Consumer Comment

Don't Let Tom scare you with empty Threats!!!

AUTHOR: matt42 - (United States of America)

Tom will threaten but never react! He is a coward and will never follow through. You know, just like he wont follow through on returning the deposits he took.

Hey Tom? Are you familliar with the following address?

175 Yaney Avenue
Sonora, CA    95370

You should know it. In case you don't remember, it's the Tuolumne County Jail.

Do you remember that place? You should. . Haaa Haaa Haaa.

Why dont you respond and tell everyone now. Its all public record.

I really think everyone should know.....

Don't worry, more to follow.....



Stay tuned scammer........................
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#18 Consumer Comment

Thanks but no thanks

AUTHOR: Stephen Wynn - (United States of America)

Thanks for the commercial collections offer David Allen, but this is not a matter of collecting on receivables.  I dont think you can help unless you have some thugs on your team.  Best Regards...
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#19 Consumer Suggestion

MTJJ of California LLC

AUTHOR: David Allen - (United States of America)

 I can assist anyone that is owed money from MTJJ of California LLC. "Google" RTS Financial Group, LLC in Vancouver, WA for my contact information. Ask for David Allen and Best Regards...
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#20 Consumer Comment

All show and no go

AUTHOR: Stephen Wynn - (United States of America)

Thanks matt42: to piggyback your comment about Tom's replies...they only come when allegations are true, or damaging enough to warrant some kind of rebuttal no matter how ridiculous he sounds. He has worked very hard to keep this going for as long as possible, but now it's time to pay the piper.  As far as I'm concerned Tom is all show and no go.  Talk is cheap.  SHOW ME THE MONEY!!
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#21 Consumer Comment

I'm shaking in my boots!!!!!

AUTHOR: matt42 - (United States of America)

Lets be real Tom! JUST FUND THE DEALS TO EVERYONE YOU HAVE PROMISED! No more phony commitment letters and personal excuses. It takes some one with zero integrity and very poor moral character to make up excuses of the caliber you have. And lets make one thing perfectlly clear, YOU are the one running from the Santa Clara DA, not me. You are the one who promised people loans and and stole their deposits, not me. REMEMBER...People aren't writing up here because your such a great guy, they're writing here because you YOU DONT DELIVER and constantly mix up your stories and lie. You never follow through on anything you promise. A great example of that is how you promise never to reply!
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#22 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Owners of Company wrong as usual

AUTHOR: Thomas Papa - (United States of America)

First, as for the earlier post, if you are going to make it up that is not how Mr Wynn spells Stephen but oh well. For all of you interested I am the sole and only owner of MTJJ of California since May 25, 2011. I bought out Mr Rake and Mr Martinez as they are marketing professionals and have zero to do with this.That is why it is disgusting.  I am the 100 percent owner and anyone who sinks so low as to make up a fake email, list good honest people's numbers on line should at least be accurate if they are going to try to extort people. For anyone wanting a copy of the paperwork that shows the transfer please feel free to call for a copy. They are signed, notarized and dated May 25 of 2011. So if you have issues feel free to follow them up with me but do so with correct information.

And spell Mr Wynn's name correct if you are going to make things up. What a joke.



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#23 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Tom Responds to Matt 42 and Steven Wynn, Haha

AUTHOR: Thomas Papa - (United States of America)

I swore I would never do this again but Matt 42 you can post 1000 more items and I will not pay you. You are a coward in every sense. Same Ads you posted for New York if I am not mistaken.  Any one who knows me knows ads have not been run for years. None. Notice the date missing by this faceless coward. Who are you Matt 42. I know know. You have crossed the line. Now if anyone ever wondered about how easy it is to slander and ruin some one read the one above. Does any human being alive think Stephen Wynn would respond to this with a email. Are you kidding me. NOtice how one person mentions something then a week later there it is by another phony. Are you kidding me or what. And then to list list two honest names of people who have zero to do with anything is repulsive . Why are you such a coward. Everyone alive who deals with me knows John and Mike have Zero to do with this and to place them and their identities is sickening. I am a big boy and Matt42 and all you other cowards not one of you called me or come to my office. Easy to scour company Corportaion records and posts things you coward. I will never pay you and now I know who you are. Deal with me, be a man....,Now there are repercusiions...What a jokem Stephe Wynn replies. Need more proof off fake and phony and stupidity . Unbelievable. Call me Matt 42. Go ahead. You just made

a major mistake because you slipped and used text sent before. Gotcha....Coward. Start checking your web site tomorrow. Bye Bye....You and your fake lawyer. You are now out of business . Stephen Wynn responds with ads, you tube, list honest people names. Are you kidding me or what..... You know where I am 1250 Oakmead Parkway, Sunnyvale, California 94085......Do the initials, SM, AD, MM, JM , GL and  MF mean anything to you. Yes fellas, Gotcha.

You know my number, you make enough up why not call it today and save your own business. You won't. When you are obsessed with someone its funny you always make a mistake. Cowards. I can assure you any contact with Mr. Rake and Mr. Martinez ends all conversations. Good honest men. All you do is stop honest hard working folks from finishing, forget what you think of me.   You forgot that MTJJ is no longer and all the new things are know by anyone who matters. Trying to ruin people behind a nameless, faceless front. Wow aren't you tough. Every person alive already knew it. Stupid ass.

You are a real man. Doesn't matter now, Gotcha......This is me and no other so deal with me. Waiting for your call. Post your name and nuber and let the people know. Why because they won't pay you a fee either. COWARD

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#24 Consumer Comment

MTJJ of California partners

AUTHOR: Stephen Wynn - (United States of America)

If you cant get in touch with Tom--contact his partners!

John W. Rake: 425-641-6723
email: jwrake@hotmail.com

Mike Martinez: mmartinez@dealermark.com

http://www.dmeautomotive.com/about-us/the-team.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYrk9TMdMSE
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#25 Consumer Comment

TOM IS AT IT AGAIN !!! BEWARE

AUTHOR: matt42 - (United States of America)

See the ad below.

RETURN THE MONEY TOM!!!!!!!!!

20 Percent Down, No Qualifing, 3 Bedroom, 2.5 Bath in San Jose, California For Sale

Seller:
Date/Time:21 Apr, 01:10 a.m. EST
Type: Services, For Sale - Private.


5 Others to chose from. This is a beautiful family home in West San Jose. We are a group of private investors who buy homes, fix them and then carry the financing ourselves. We set a 6.0 percent fixed rate for 30 years with no qualifying with 20 percent down. Self Employed and poor credit is no issue with 20 percent down. New photos updating. We have homes 2 bedroom to 5 bedrooms from 229K to 1.5M all with same terms. These are not foreclosures or auctions. Please no brokers as they are priced as owner carry so no commision. We also take investors and pay a return of 18 perent yearly ( paid quarterly with a 50K minimum to 2M if interested. Same location 11 years.
408-835-2462

State: California  City: San Jose  Zip code: 95117 Category: Services
Services in California for sale

http://sanjose-ca.hoodbiz.org/95117/services/20-percent-down-no-qualifing-3-bedroom-25-bath_18758159.html


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#26 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Tom answers ban together

AUTHOR: Thomas Papa - (United States of America)

As usual forced to answer. This is from same person who
Has phantom Miami hotel we never saw posted when asked. I did get the request for money part.
On ban together for about the 10th time, all you need is to make a appointment and come
In. Everyone who reads this knows how and where it's being settled. Every single one. The outside ones, Should be easy to figure. Since payments are all at once someone saying not paid would make sense for all of you . As always feel free to call or come in. It's hard for your ban
Phoenix /Miami. Most prefer Payment and all know where and when and have understanding. Every post just makes slower. Especially ones with names posted that have zero to do with this. We missed all those Miami hotel documents since have never done one in history. Doesn't matter.
Thanks to all who have supported. Will be many new positive ones soon. All I can so, can't fight ghosts.
408 835 2462. Missed your number
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#27 Consumer Comment

BAN TOGETHER

AUTHOR: ww125 - (United States of America)

the California Attorney Generals office has been made aware of what is going on with this guy, but like anything else the more noise we make the faster he will be brought to justice. PLease anyone scammed by Tom Papa should be contacting them immediately.
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#28 Consumer Comment

Payment

AUTHOR: HC - (USA)

We are still awaiting payment from Thomas Papa.
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#29 Consumer Comment

Return our money!

AUTHOR: matt42 - (United States of America)

Return the money!, Do what is right. Enough excuses and saying your in meetings all day! No more lies! It's over!
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#30 Consumer Comment

The real side of Tom Papa

AUTHOR: J2260 - (United States of America)

Mr. Papa:  Where did all the money go? Did you lose money at the Casinos? Do you make your money at LV every week? Is this  how you know Steve Wynn?
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#31 Consumer Comment

STAN AND STEPHEN OWNERS OF COMPANY

AUTHOR: matt42 - (United States of America)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. You have got to be kidding me. Im waiting.............. "I will be resolving this matter aggressively with the original poster" Ha Ha Ha.

Is your real name STEPHEN WYNN???? Ha Ha HA

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#32 Consumer Comment

Tom does not respond

AUTHOR: 911Broker - (USA)

So Stan and Stephen, you are both owners of the company? What a coincidence that both of you, two distinct and separate individuals, would use that label within hours of each other. Nobody on this site has except for Thomas Papa when he graces us with his presence and announces "Tom Papa responds!"

I imagine the next post supporting MTJJ, as they have so far will go something along these lines:

"Ive been doing business with Tom and MTJJ for 55 years. He is nothing but a gentleman. He paid me when no one else would. He was late but he always paid. brokers brokers brokers! I swear i do not want to post but I have to clear things up with my pseudo legalese."

Stop trying, youre just making it worse for yourself.
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#33 REBUTTAL Owner of company

My response was to poster Mat32 Comment 28

AUTHOR: Stan - (USA)

Please know my response was directed to Matt32 on post #28, i did not realize it went into the main forum so I wanted to make clarifications. 
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#34 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Ill Informed

AUTHOR: Stan - (USA)

Dear Sir,

The following claims you are referring to are inaccurate and are of illegal nature, the individual that is filing these claims is distorting internal information and is a broker of the selling agent that became dissatisfied of the project and is using outlandish claims to reap funds from various parties. In fact soon we will file a motion in a court of law against this illegal behavior and slandering language against parties. Again, this individual is not a employee or representative of the company he is speaking for.

In regard to Thomas Papa, he has always been very cordial and straight forward. In fact we are working out the final information for full refund of the due diligence fees that was used to evaluate the project at hand which was not in any means his fault. Yes, the money was delayed and was unable to fund due to timeline of the property but there is much information behind the scenes that are not spoken about and which caused issues in reference to the funding.

In current busines environment obtaining any loans or direct investment is a strenuous and lengthy process which of those that are in the environment are every well aware of and a process must be conducted to meet investment parameters. 

Again, this issue in regard to these statements will be brought up to attorneys for litigation review and if need be full damages will be seeked against this posting party.

I would like to state, that proper curing process was recently implemented and due diligence funds are expected any day without issues. Unlike many on this posting site I prefer to handle issues with respect and professionalism not in a grade school manner. This is of non productive avenues and I refrain from using such methods but had to bring clarity into this conversation due to misrepresentation.

One must have full information to make sound judgement. But this information is false on how it is represented and I will be resolving this matter aggressively with the original poster.
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#35 REBUTTAL Owner of company

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AUTHOR: Stephen Savraskin - (United States of America)

This kind of thing is so typical nowadays when someone in business is scorned, when their business proposals are turned down. They take to the internet and file scam complaints in an effort to slander a company or person. We have been dealing professionally with MTJJ (Thomas) for several years, and know him on a personal and social level as well. In his dealings with us they have been nothing but professional. Their integrity and honesty are above reproach.

If there is a scam involved, project owners need to be diligent on who is representing them as be aware that funding can be delayed or non existent contingent upon any findings or new regulations which is an unfortunate reality in the world today. If anything, perhaps Mr. Papa is the victim. Most of the time on these sites the REAL scam involves those perpetuating the complaints against the entities in question.  Real shame it is so easy today to write anything on the internet and sway public opinion.  Let's see concrete EVIDENCE that the MTJJ is in any way involved in anything not above board.  The real investigation should be on those slinging the mud.  I would love to see the FBI investigate the company doing the slandering. If you have no evidence, then cease and desist.

Moreover, if brokers are involved project owners should be aware that if they are not a SEC FINRA registered broker I would dismiss them as you do not know their credentials, how they are representing your projects or the funding sources that are involved. Due diligence needs to be conducted on all parties and proper methods should be used for resolution or when limitations are in question.
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#36 Consumer Suggestion

Hey Tom, Your request has been granted! The Names,Business and Persons are now named! PARTY IS OVER FOR YOU!!

AUTHOR: matt42 - (United States of America)

Thomas PaPa MTJJ OF California Thomas PaPa Thomas PaPa with MTJJ of California Stold $45,000 Of my Earnest Money from MTJJ Earnest Account that was supposed to be on escrow awaiting a purchase of realestate lease transaction Sunnyvale, California

On November 2,2011 Thomas PaPa with MTJJ of CA. signed a Contractual agreement with me and Medalists Energy to fund a realestate transaction for and Oil lease of 8440 acres on Kansas. November 11,2011 I wired $45,000 cash to the Bank of the West, MTJJ Earnest Account Routing#121100782  with contracts signed by Thomas Papa to refund within 3 days if for any reason the transaction was terminated for any reason by either party by California Law was written on the contract. Thomas stated that he could fund the 9 million dollar loan within 14 days. For 139 days we heard excuses after excuses after excuses. THomas stated the first 63 days that he had funding with Merril Lynch as he had a multi million dollar realeastate trust that he was getting a loan on that equity for us. It never came through. Then for another about 76 days Thomas Papa stated the he had a close friend Steve Wynn the famous Las Vegas Casino Billionare, who was a close friend and mentor to Mr. Papa. Thomas PaPa stated to the group, me and Medalists, that Steve Wynn co signed a note at Steve Wynns Bank in California for Thomas PaPa for our 9 million and even provided me and Medalists with Steve Wynns personal banking and accounting information and numbers where the funds were comming from and labeled it POF( Proof Of Funds),  man were we excited to hear that.I have that evidence for anyone if needed. We got emails after emails after emails and solid proof from Thomas PaPa that He was approved for the loan of Steve Wynns Money, and the loan will process then be paid to us,but for some reason the money was comming from a casino bank overseas and had to go theough 4 banks and then to us. Email after email telling us to wait and wait and wait, milking us. milking us milking us with excuses and excuses, with Thomas Papa stating all along the whole ordeal to just wait or I will just refund, of you want the earnest money back any time you can have it no problem.PaPa called me personally to state to me it's on it's way. Yea Yea and I congradulated him. The origination of the funds was  from me and loaned to me from my father  81 who died September 27,2012 worrying about the $45,000 not being given back to him after the original 14 day promise default. The Acreage was sold to another party. Medalist and I have sent certified demand documents for return of the $45,000 Earnest by mail after many email responses have  failed to get the refund. Thomas PaPa stated to me that the money was not stolen but Papa will not say a word to  the where abouts of the funds. I have contacted Deputy District Attorney Javier Alcala for crimes that occur in Sunnyvale, California at jalcala@da.sccgov.org and Phone Number (650)-324-6400 for assistance. DA's office was notified by email with a complete file sent by email on
3/16/2012. Today 3/20/2012 it has been 5  days later and the DA,s office has still been reluctant to respond to the reported felony crime of my Stolen $45,000 earnest money. I have pleaded nicely and begged nicely for Thomas to repay the money back to me to return back to my father who died very worried about the refund of the Earnest money, but of no avail and cooperation as of yet. I need somehow for the govenor to step in for assistance. Justice will prevail soon I pray. My father retired from the Boeing Aircraft Company, and Designed the Guidance and Deterrent Systems on the Presidential Plane Boeing 747 for President George Bush. A verey nice and generous man dedicated his life to this good country USA.  Thank you, and any help will be appreciated.  David Pond Creek, Oklahoma

Everyone, JUST GOOGLE MTJJ. See for yourself.
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#37 Consumer Comment

HC have you recieved your refund ???

AUTHOR: ww125 - (United States of America)

HC, if you have been following along the list of taken people is growing here and i think we have a great case to land this con artist in jail. Please let us know if you are still awaiting your monies .

Thank you,
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#38 Consumer Comment

Tom Papa

AUTHOR: 911Broker - (USA)

Why would victims post their name phone number on a permanent website. you know exactly who you ripped off and how much you owe. Your arrogance make it sound as if you have no debts, obviously you owe a lot of people money. What do you do with all the money? My guess is probably not far off.

The only satisfied customer here was a fake profile you made and you were caught red handed by your own stupidity. Anybody who google your name will see the comments so far. They can be the judge of whether they want to do business with you. Who do you think theyll believe? Good luck with that...
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#39 REBUTTAL Individual responds

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AUTHOR: Thomas Papa - (United States of America)

We must have better things to do. Once again, no name, no number, no post, no appointment. Can't be that hard. 408 835 2462. Open Daily. Thanks Tom.
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#40 Consumer Comment

Only You

AUTHOR: ww125 - (United States of America)

Mr. Papa it is time to look in the mirror. You and your scams and lies are the only things that ruined MTJJ LLC. you took peoples money with your lies and false promises and now you are realizing it is all coming to a close.

Oh and i thought you said last week people that knew you knew what was going on last week, now it's this week...here go the stories again.

We will all band together and get what you stole from us .....each and everyone of us.

Thank you !
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#41 REBUTTAL Individual responds

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AUTHOR: Thomas Papa - (United States of America)

So this is now ridiculous. If you wander how I get so fast its becasue the money requests follows.

As I said Gary Lewis called me six months ago as a referral. I have never had a deal, closed a deal or taken one cent as a deposit on a deal. I do not allow ads and everyone who knows me know you didnt meet me through a ad. It is funny that is almost identical wording between all these brokers to all meet and find me. They also always say call my office members and neighbors. Go ahead, Ive been there sinc 1999. Sounds like a script to me. As for Gary Lewis I guess his number is posted so call him. If there is one person anywhere from the state of New York who has ever answered this ad and got to me and put one cent down please post. Just as Miami posting the other hotel for big hotel I must of missed the deposit receipt and Miami hotel. If the goal was to ruin MTJJ it has succeeded. I have know idea why ( except wont pay 20K)but what I am not is a coward like you. Call better busuiness still 5 star rating. Same office 11 years you dont need a sneak attack, make a appointment be happy to meet you. Half of you have been there.  It's unbelievable that you can just make up names, id's and all. Once again anyone who knows me, knows what is happening this week so I guess they are mad. As always 408-487-3215 gets me and appointments are fine. I have no idea what someone on the internet does. Why such a coward, who are you. Cant be that hard .

As for Gary Lewis and his Craigs list Ad does that sound like me. Also notice no lic number and that it is included on any agreement sent. Thanks and it just gets so old. Be a man, post a number, say you who are. Still waiting on Miami Hotel. Where is next. All brokers, what a shock. Cowards. I will meet anytime as most of you have met me at my office. As many times as you have reported me wouldn't something of happened. By the way New York and California are completely different models with attorney to attorney in New York and Title and escrow in California. I'm guessing a attorney would of figured that out. Tom.

 

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#42 REBUTTAL Individual responds

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AUTHOR: Thomas Papa - (United States of America)

So this is almost getting stupid now. You cant post a Calif Ad in NY without a Lic Check . If any of you ever once saw me post Ad let me know. I don't advertise.  Gary Lewis called me 6 months ago and have never 1 time ever closed a deal with him, authorized a deal or want a deal. We don't do NY residential because the laws don't match with California. They use attorney based transactions Calif uses Escrow/Title based transactions. I suggest you call his number and ask why he posted  since he said he didn't.  As for the last part you dont have to round anyone up for the 50th time. Just make a appointment and I will meet you. I have posted every time and you all know my phone . 408-835-2462. Same office 11 years.  Has anyone who has dealt with me ever not gotten called back or not been seen. If you are a scammer I will never pay. If you have a problem with me why don't you post your number or call me like a man. Not hard you can can type everything else. Has anyone ever asked to see me and not seen me. So tired of this. Be adult. Funny how the Miami contract and deposit never got posted isnt it and then this. Amazing. I must be a idiot as well. I will never pay so keep writing them. As for Gary Lewis call him. His number is listed. Zero to do with me.

Once again, not hard to find please feel free to call or come by. I'm not a coward. It's unbelievable what happens when you answer. Make Gary Lewis show proof he posted. Pretty easy. The goal was to destroy it has worked. Congratulations
Tom
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#43 Consumer Comment

Now, word starts getting around.

AUTHOR: matt42 - (United States of America)

Hey Taken, I feel your pain. This guy Tom is some con artist. Excuse after excuse. Just a note found this add on craigslist in NY also. Looks like hes got someone as part of the scam in NY now. If you google MTJJ it comes up on page 2 or 3 with this add and phone number.

IF THE COMM LENDERS ARE NOT LENDING.CALL THE PRIVATE LENDER.80% LTV (CREDIT DOES NOT MATTER..PROVABLE INCOME!)

Date: 2012-03-17, 5:40PM EDT
Reply to: qkgwj-2858367768@serv.craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]

CLOSE IN LESS THAN 21 DAYS AND ALL YOU NEED IS 20-25% DOWN ALONG WITH PROVABLE INCOME AND BANK STATEMENT TO SHOW YOU ARE READY...CALL ME FOR MORE DETAILS BUT THIS IS VERY REAL...CALL ME AT 516-695-6190
Location: CREDIT DOES NOT MATTER..PROVABLE INCOME!
it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
License info: MTJJ OF CALIFORNIA LLC

PostingID: 2858367768

Scary now the scammer tom is using a new number  516-695-6190. Some guy Gary answers the phone.BEWARE

Its probably a good idea to forward this to the SantaClara District attorney major fraud unit or even the NY DA with the new phone number.
 If there are more out there, it looks like this guy will be going to jail. Kinda sucks at his age. Hell probably never get out.

Im sure there is a lot more of this fraud out there that we don't know about yet. Lets figure out a way we can all communicate. Im sure everyone would love to cooperate with each other. Maybe we should all show up at the 1250 Oakmead Pkwy Ste 210
Sunnyvale, CA 94086 office.
Maybe his building manager and neighbors there should know what this guy is all about.
Its funny, a lot of exuses but no one ever seems to fund a deal.
Shame on us for putting down deposits in a non escrow account.
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#44 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Miami Hotel

AUTHOR: Thomas Papa - (United States of America)

So I swore I would never answer again since my last post because it just brought more things out.
But some things you just can't pass up. Anyone who knows me knows like I said that I live in the same house, same office, same everything and always will. But sometimes it is too much. Anyone who knows me knows what is taking place this week . Also as you state you had me completelty checked out and was fine but now you cant just call me. So this should be easy.  For whoever is in Phoenix that has posted this, just please post the name of the hotel in Miami 9 1/2 months ago because never in history have we ever done a hotel or been in contract for a hotel in Miami. That has to be easy. That can't be hard to do. Also, just simply post the money receipt for 125k that was sent to me for the Hotel in Miami with the name of the hotel, should once again be easy.  I have no argument  with anyone but sometimes you have to answer. Just want to finish things and move past.
Tom
In case you arent sure it's 408-835-2462 since that IS my phone number.
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#45 Consumer Comment

Taken

AUTHOR: ww125 - (United States of America)

Looks like our group is now the second to be scammed by Mr. Tom Papa of MTJJ LLc. We have been dealing with Mr. Papa for over 91/2 months now looking to fund our hotel purchase in Miami Fl. We did our due diligence on Mr. Papa long before all this info has begun to surface so we felt somewhat at ease doing bussiness with him. After our initial stages he told us that in order to move forward it would be a fee of 125,000. we wired the money to his personal account which we felt was strange but moved ahead at our attornies advice. Now here we are with nothing but a "Loan Commitment" not worth the paper it was written on and nothing but excuse after excuse on when the funding would occur. At this point we have lost the deal and have requested our refund. Mr. Papa has made 4 broken promises to us now in regards to when we can expect our monies wired back in to our account. We are moving forward now with legal suit against him and have contacted the California Dept, Of Justice and Attorney Generals office, People like him have got to be stopped.

HC i would like to know if you ever recieved the balance of your refund and if any others are out there please contact the same authorities that we have.
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#46 Consumer Comment

MTJJ / THOAMS R. PAPA

AUTHOR: J2260 - (United States of America)

Thanks for the warning.   I am looking to finance millions for commercial real estate projects.  We will not be doing business with this scam artist.
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#47 Consumer Comment

Hahaha

AUTHOR: 911Broker - (United States of America)

Haha #16, omg hilarious! So who are you pretending to be now? Tom papa is just one big joke. I'm up for another laugh, try to explain yourself out of this one.
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#48 REBUTTAL Owner of company

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AUTHOR: Slasher - (United States of America)

Now people who aren't even me are answering as me. If I want ro answer I will whoever you are. I can answer myself as I did a few climbs up and said there would be no more responses so I guess people now respond and say there me. Great screening process.
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#49 Consumer Comment

No payment

AUTHOR: HC - (USA)

Again, no payment was made today.  Thomas R Papa has decided to no longer respond to emails, stating that he will only talk on the phone, because he is worried what is posted about him on the internet.  Since yesterday, he said that he will call, but does not call, does not answer any calls, and emails us in the late afternoon saying that he needs to get off the freeway.  How is he not able to pull over to speak on the phone, yet is able to type an email on an iphone while driving on the freeway?  Still no response as of yet.

On 2/10/12, he says that he borrowed cash and needed the cash to be converted so that the money could be wired.  He says that any internet posting would delay the conversion.  If he already has the cash as he claims, there is no plausible reason for any further delay.  So far, it's been unfulfilled due dates and delay after delay, on a near-daily basis for the past 3 months.  There has been no sincerity and no respect for our time since the last payment two weeks ago.

Mr. Papa, if you don't like what is being said about you on the internet, then you should have paid when the money was due.  Once you pay us back, then we will have nothing more to say.
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#50 REBUTTAL Owner of company

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AUTHOR: Thomas Papa - (United States of America)

Everyone has said don't do this  it will just make it worse but I will do one time and not again. I have watched and listened and taken too many phone calls. You can stop it so why fight it. I give up. People with no names, no emails, no phones name themselves Broker 911 ( knows more about me that me). th55, unknown identities and all there is. There is one legitimate issue on here and it is being resolved by both parties. It is amazing after you see them posted that you get emails saying for 10K or 20K I will remove or say I funded to P.O. Boxes. THere is zero chance in hell of that happening. Here is all I will say and make it simple. For anyone who knows me or wants to check the internet these are indisputable facts. I have had the same phone number 10 years. I have had the same home 10 years, I have had the same office 10 years. I have had the same bank 25 years. You all know what and where they are. I don't have a boat, a summer house, a luxury condo getaway. IF I am the person above I am the worst at it in history. I will not move, I will not change addresses and I will not be change offices. I have not runaway which would be logical above and I am not going to. You can not fight or argue this. It just gets worse.I could buy the IP addresses of all those posting because they sell them but they will just use a new computer and move ond and make it worse. For those of you with all the positive calls thanks. I am working on exactly four deals since September. Everyone know when the customers call I say I don't use brokers. I have used exactly two and it sure as hell isn't them. I am sure this will draw even more but I am done and will not respond.  Just use logic. They already succeeded in whatever it was they were trying to do so job well done. They should really get good now. I will not respond again. Everyone legitimate knows where I sit, where I work when I'm there and how to reach me. Good luck and thanks, Tom
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#51 Consumer Comment

Lasher and Tom Papa

AUTHOR: 911Broker - (United States of America)

Lasher, for a satisfied customer your very angry and defensive, as if the report was talking about you, as if you were Tom Papa. Like Tom papa you fixate on brokers when clearly there customers who are also pissed at him. You sound just like Tom papa himself. If you deny being Tom Papa then I assume one could call Lasher auto group in Elk Grove and ask to speak to you. And then I would assume that the person on the phone would confirm that he has borrowed 8 million dollars from mtjj over the past 4 years when no one else would even though mtjj has only been in business since 2010. otherwise i'd probably be talking to the real owner of lasher auto group who would be pissed that Tom papa is making false business claims using the lasher name on a permanent internet site. Don't be too upset Im just pointing out some similarities, a coincidence. Why should you be upset, you're not Tom papa right?? Cheers.
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#52 Consumer Comment

no payment

AUTHOR: HC - (USA)

Thomas R Papa promised to pay more than 20k, but made no payment today.  He did not respond until 5 PM, stating that he was on a flight, had to borrow cash, and will be paying the full remainder by 2/14/12.

In nearly 3 months since cancellation of our contract, he has paid less than half of what he owes in 7 separate payments, the last one being 10 days ago.  Just in the past week, he told us he would make partial payment on 2/6, then 2/7, 2/8, 2/9 and 2/10, but each day he does not respond to phone calls or emails until the late afternoon or evening, giving reasons why he won't be able to pay until the next day.

The next deadline is 2/14/12.
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#53 Consumer Comment

Satisfied customer S Lasher

AUTHOR: Slasher - (United States of America)

I posted a simple fact that I have done business for years and was happy. I even said some were late but always funded when others who said they would didn't . That's all I said.
As far as posting who I am and what I should do and all that you or anyone has listed is broker names. My name is on it. What is yours and happy to call. fake broker codes make it hard to call.
All I did was say I had 3 loans through the years and get attacked by some broker I don't know. Sounds like a bunch of unhappy brokers not customers . Why haven't they answered.
I know of others because I was referred. I don't really care either way. Now I know why people don't do this.
Try getting funded in this market. Like said post your name not TH55 or broker 911 and I post the funding info. If not who cares. First time I ever answered on of these and now I see why it's just negative.
If you must know Tom asked me not to because it just adds to
It. Just got tired of seeing it. I thought it was information not a attack board.
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#54 Consumer Comment

payment

AUTHOR: HC - (United States of America)

Thomas R Papa of MTJJ has agreed to make partial payment on 2/10/12 and full remainder by 2/14/12.  Hopefully, we will receive our payments as promised.
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#55 Consumer Comment

satisfied customer??

AUTHOR: TH55 - (United States of America)

all these so called satisfied customers have come out of the wood work with no contact info and holes in their stories. Mtjj has only been is business since 2010. How could you have done business with them for 4 years. I chalange you to provide 1 stitch off proof you have funded a loan with these ghosts. Be a man and list your sucessful franchise and a contact number. Everyone talks of closed deals but there are never any specifics or ways to verify the stories. Name the company!!!! By the way for anyone who has been screwed, I would love a way to contact you and put a stop to this BS. Thanks
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#56 Consumer Comment

S. Lasher customer

AUTHOR: Slasher - (United States of America)

Someone had told me these were popping up and I was surprised. I have done 3 loans with MTJJ
Over 4 years for a total of 8 Million Dollars. Have known Tom for years.
They may have been a little late but no one else ever funded anything. He always communicated and I am surprised at this. It seems likes mostly brokers . I was just a individual who used this to purchase auto
Franchises when no one else would. I hope it all works out. I would certainly call him again.
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#57 REBUTTAL Individual responds

911 Broker

AUTHOR: 911Broker - (United States of America)

We appreciate for your information. We will report to the agency. Please keep us updated.
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#58 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Independent broker

AUTHOR: 911Broker - (United States of America)

Thank you for sharing your story here. Please let us know if you get the full refund back.

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#59 Author of original report

Tom Papa with MTJJ of California LLC Full Refund

AUTHOR: Justice - (United States of America)

Grievances with Tom Papa and MTJJ of California LLC are currently being addressed hopefully a resolution and full refund will follow soon.
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#60 Consumer Comment

MTJJ of Cal. and Thomas Papa

AUTHOR: HC - (United States of America)

 MTJJ of California and Thomas Papa offered us private funding for a million dollar short sale house. We signed a contract with him, and deposited a six figure down payment to his MTJJ account. For the next couple months, he made all kinds of excuses to delay the process. First the home owners needed to be evicted, then the bank has different departments that are not communicating with each other. When new buyers moved in, he said that it is going through legal process. We signed a cancellation and under contract would receive our money back in 3 days, but it has been several months, and he has made all kinds of excuses not to return the money. First he needed to wait for the bank to process the funds, next he was going to sell his retirement funds, then he was going to borrow money from private sources. Even after getting lawyers involved, he continued to delay the process. He is not someone you want to do business with
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#61 Author of original report

MTJJ OF CALIFORNIA LLC & WIRE FRAUD!

AUTHOR: Justice - (United States of America)

If you have paid an up front deposit fee with TOM PAPA and his company MTJJ of California LLC and have not received your refund per your loan agreement not funding. PLEASE CONTACT THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY IN SUNNYVALE CALIFORNIA. They have a real estate fraud unit and major fraud unit (fraud over $100,000). ITS WIRE FRAUD!!
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#62 Author of original report

MTJJ of California LLC & Thomas Papa is a SCAM!

AUTHOR: Justice - (United States of America)


MTJJ of California LLC was filled on Tuesday May 4, 2010 its PUBLIC RECORD. Also they DO NOT have a lending license for the state of California which is against the law! The company does not fund loans ask them for any proof of any loans they have recently funded. They only want your 6 figure upfront deposit! Its a SCAM! DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE!
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#63 REBUTTAL Individual responds

Not True, Call for Legal Paperwork

AUTHOR: Thomas Papa - (United States of America)

This is the first complaint in 10 years. Notice it is not from the customer but a independant broker. The was a fraudulent transaction and feel free to call me at 408-835-2462 for all legal documentation from Sellers attorneys expressing the same. Fraudulent documentation was used in the documentation provided and loan was cancelled with Sellers attorney sending email sayin they would of also. Please feel free to check. Tom
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