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  • Submitted: Thu, August 04, 2005
  • Updated: Tue, March 23, 2010

  • Reported By:Ottawa Ohio
Marcus Evans
marcusevans.com Montreal, Quebec Canada

Marcus Evans Ripoff dishonest hiring practices Montreal Quebec Canada

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Everyone gets hired! unethical hiring practices confirmed eye witness

*Consumer Comment: What happened with the "spin off in Montreal"

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Rebuttal Marcus Evans Ripoff dishonest hiring practices Montreal Quebec Canada

*Author of original report: Me Again (original poster)

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: I'm the idiot? Ha!

*UPDATE Employee: you sound like an idiot

*UPDATE Employee: you sound like an idiot

*UPDATE Employee: you sound like an idiot

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Another Response to Quebec

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Response to Edgewater from Quebec

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Response to Edgewater from Quebec

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Response to Edgewater from Quebec

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Response to Edgewater from Quebec

*UPDATE EX-employee responds: Setting the record straight about careers at Marcus Evans

*Author of original report: The Canadian

*Consumer Comment: I am a Marcus Evans potential applicant.

*UPDATE Employee: Well it is a SALES position, maybe you're not a Sales person

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marcus evans is a fairly large events management company. They run several conferences and seminars yearly, in multiple fields and countries. Multiple salepeople, in several offices handle each event. There is no communication between salespeople, and no do not call list. If a salesperson contacts someone, and they say no, they can be contacted multiple times, by multiple people indefinitly.

I went in for a job interview, and was hired immediatly. I went in for training, and started the job. The base salary in Canada was 1000$/month, but you are promised very high, attainable commisions. There were 11 people in my training session, and 3 months later, only 1 remained. There were training session every other week, with an average of 10-20 people. In fact, I was told that if 1 person in 100 stays for more then a year, they are lucky.
In terms of commision, that was very tough going. When I worked there, you had to earn more then your base salary per month to earn a commision. So, I had to sell 5 packages per month, before I got commision. This was a very high number, and hard to attain. I saw people who had been there for over a year, and still weren't always making monthly commision.

Lastly, my office was losing lots of employees to another company. I got an interview at that company, and marcus evans served them an injunction, making it impossible for me to get a job there, even though it was in a completly different field.

Basically, marcus evans recruits as many people as they can, because if you make 1 sale per month, it pays for you. The product they offer is fairly average, and the way they sell it is down right annoying. They promise promotions, but only if you hit certain sales targets, then you are automatically promoted (so most of there managers are fairly inept, they just happen to be good at being really annoying). If you get a job there, don't waste your time like I did.

j.
montreal, Quebec
Canada

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#1 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Everyone gets hired! unethical hiring practices confirmed eye witness

AUTHOR: Unwitting Scammer Rep - (USA)

You should deeply reconsider going on the interview or taking the position with Marcus Evans Summits or THG, meaning you should most likely not take the job because you will most likely quit or be laid off within 4 months and then your resume will be in worse shape than it is now. You did not have to meet any standards or qualifications to be hired. I've met very unsuccessful loser types and full blown stupid dimwit idiots get hired, walk around the office for a week, and then quit and say the job wasnt for them. The spinoff company is just an ethical version of Marcus Evans. They may not have been shut down or not but if they were, then it was probably for truthfully informing their clients and prospective clients of the unethical and deceitful tactics used my Marcus Evans while they worked for Marcus Evans.  
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#2 Consumer Comment

What happened with the "spin off in Montreal"

AUTHOR: John Henry - (U.S.A.)

I am considering taking a positon from a Marcus Evans competitor named Connex that was founded by former ME employees. They have offices in Montreal and NYC, and I'm wondering if my prospective employer is the one referred to in the statement:

"The founders of one such spin off company in Montreal (later shut down by police allegedly for questionable business practices) had already used (while I was still with the Company) multiple dodgy tactics to disrupt their former Marcus Evans office."

Can anyone tell me more about what happened? I am obviously leery of getting involved with Connex if it was indeed they who were shut down for questionable business practices.
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#3 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Rebuttal Marcus Evans Ripoff dishonest hiring practices Montreal Quebec Canada

AUTHOR: Sanders - (U.S.A.)

To all concerned,

Read the article above and tend to disagree on some of the content. I worked for the The Hospitality Group (division of Marcus Evans) and every one that was successful lasting several months or more, came in as a successful person and excelled with their techniques. I myself after a year from the firm was hired by several successful executives who broke off and then, after seven years, I broke off and started my own firm which is now 4 years and counting. I took their strong points and my strong points and used that to be the best in the industry. Sure some of their sales strategy may not be the best in the eyes of many industry standards, but many parts are copied by many other firms that are successfull. Don't knock the process if you have failed. If you competed fairly, you have nothing to be ashamed off. I always look at each company I work for and ask myself if I gave 100-150%. And I assume responsibility where there may be failure. Never looking to pass blame. One of my former co-workers at THG now runs a Canadian office and in my eyes, he has done good work. Theron and Andrew and Chris and all my Senior managers have done the things that encouraged me to be a great sales executive and now make up the fibers of me as a successful compnay CEO. Do the best and do your best and no one can every blame you for being.

Paul "Sanders" Soodoo
CEO
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#4 Author of original report

Me Again (original poster)

AUTHOR: Joel - (Canada)

So, it's me. I logged the initial report in 2005.
I wanted to comment on the person who said I had a vested interest in seeing the company fail, or I was a poor sales person.
In terms of the spin off company, I know exaclty what you are talking about. That went down well after I left. I was in touch with someone who worked there still, and he gave me the skinny. It's funny. I didn't realize they got shut down. But, rest assured I had no stake in that. And, actually, that kind of proves my point. You say they were competing with Marcus Evans for staff? And in the same paragraph, you state they got closed down for dodgy business practices. I am amazed that the same hasn't happened to Marcus Evans.
In terms of my sales performance, I will admit sales isn't for me. I am very happy in my curent role, which is not sales oriented. But, having said that, directly after I left Marcus Evans, I worked a sales job where I did very well. I left that job because I moved from the city.
In terms of saying that all sales jobs have high turn over, I respect that. It's true. But, when I was at Marcus Evans, that particular office was bordering 90-95%. That's insane.
Listen, I have worked worse jobs, I'll admit. I wrote the initial report because I was angry with the HR practices. If they were more upfront, I doubt that I would have taken the job. Would have saved everybody the trouble. Just trying to do that by writting about my experience.
To all the naysayers, and people who work there, and don't agree with me, I am happy for you. I am glad you like your job and are doing well at it. But, I honestly believe you could work somewhere else and be equally (if not more successful), and follow less dodgy business practices.
I also know that things have changed at the montreal office. There is a new boss. Maybe things are different. I hope they are for the sake of people who work there...
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#5 UPDATE EX-employee responds

I'm the idiot? Ha!

AUTHOR: Marcus Evans Is A Scam - (U.S.A.)

Rebuttalking,

I think that is hilarious that you think that is a real sales job. I bet it makes you feel really important pretending to be a CEO or CFO or Director of the company when you're talking to the real thing.

You sound like (C.T.) one of the twenty-somethings just out of college that really doesn't have any experience other than what they learned at marcus evans. Just regurgitating what you hear around the office as an explaination of why so many come and go, thinking you made it. "They couldn't cut it", "sales has a high turnover", you can all keep telling eachother this. I'm sure it brings much comfort as more and more people leave the company. It's true that there is a high turnover in sales, especially at Marcus Evans, but it has to do with telemarketing being an undesirable job and marcus evans' unethical practices! You can explain it as sales if you want, but in real sales positions you have successful employees that stay with the company other than the executives, managers, and the non-productive people that are content to live off of $1000 a month as a base salary.
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#6 UPDATE Employee

you sound like an idiot

AUTHOR: Rebuttalking - (U.S.A.)

hey
why don't you just tell people the real story? you can't cut it in sales so you look to blame everyone else for your shortcomings in life?

turnover rates are high in sales. you should stop whinning.
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#7 UPDATE Employee

you sound like an idiot

AUTHOR: Rebuttalking - (U.S.A.)

hey
why don't you just tell people the real story? you can't cut it in sales so you look to blame everyone else for your shortcomings in life?

turnover rates are high in sales. you should stop whinning.
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#8 UPDATE Employee

you sound like an idiot

AUTHOR: Rebuttalking - (U.S.A.)

hey
why don't you just tell people the real story? you can't cut it in sales so you look to blame everyone else for your shortcomings in life?

turnover rates are high in sales. you should stop whinning.
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#9 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Another Response to Quebec

AUTHOR: Marcus Evans Is A Scam - (U.S.A.)

I agree with Nancy. Why did YOU leave? I have a feeling you didn't.... I worked there for over a year and all the people I know that left there (which are many), whether they had longevity with the company or not, left without any recommendation of working there.
You can recommend people gain sales experience there, but the fact of the matter is that most people will have to spend more time unlearning the practices that marcus evans teaches. The only things that I learned there that ring true in the sales world are urgency and credibility. Although in the world of marcus evans they teach you to falsify both to get the sale.
Why I spent a year there, I don't know... But if it helped me get to the place I'm at now, I guess I'd have to say thank you.
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#10 UPDATE EX-employee responds

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AUTHOR: Nancy Isaac - (U.S.A.)

Quebec:

The fact that you found these reports on marcus evans "shocking" and "ultra-negative" raises a few red flags in my mind. Your rebuttal seemed more fabricated than the other postings of other ex-employees. It's almost as if you said exactly what marcus evans would have wanted to hear.

So, what is your ulterior motive? Are you getting paid under the table by your old boss or are you still working there and just trying to polish up the proverbial repuation of this washed out company?

You claim that the persons posting on the Ripoff Report have, "either a vested interest in being disruptive or a bruised ego for not having been able to find success while with the company." Can you honestly say that everything in all of these reports is completely unfounded and eroneous? If so, why is there a multitude of ex-marcus evans employees all saying the same thing?

I'm glad that you got so much out of your past career with marcus evans. If it was so great, why did you leave? Dont tell me it was because you were making too much money because my bet is that it would have been quite the opposite.
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#11 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Response to Edgewater from Quebec

AUTHOR: Nancy Isaac - (U.S.A.)

Quebec:

The fact that you found these reports on marcus evans "shocking" and "ultra-negative" raises a few red flags in my mind. Your rebuttal seemed more fabricated than the other postings of other ex-employees. It's almost as if you said exactly what marcus evans would have wanted to hear.

So, what is your ulterior motive? Are you getting paid under the table by your old boss or are you still working there and just trying to polish up the proverbial repuation of this washed out company?

You claim that the persons posting on the Ripoff Report have, "either a vested interest in being disruptive or a bruised ego for not having been able to find success while with the company." Can you honestly say that everything in all of these reports is completely unfounded and eroneous? If so, why is there a multitude of ex-marcus evans employees all saying the same thing?

I'm glad that you got so much out of your past career with marcus evans. If it was so great, why did you leave? Dont tell me it was because you were making too much money because my bet is that it would have been quite the opposite.
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#12 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Response to Edgewater from Quebec

AUTHOR: Nancy Isaac - (U.S.A.)

Quebec:

The fact that you found these reports on marcus evans "shocking" and "ultra-negative" raises a few red flags in my mind. Your rebuttal seemed more fabricated than the other postings of other ex-employees. It's almost as if you said exactly what marcus evans would have wanted to hear.

So, what is your ulterior motive? Are you getting paid under the table by your old boss or are you still working there and just trying to polish up the proverbial repuation of this washed out company?

You claim that the persons posting on the Ripoff Report have, "either a vested interest in being disruptive or a bruised ego for not having been able to find success while with the company." Can you honestly say that everything in all of these reports is completely unfounded and eroneous? If so, why is there a multitude of ex-marcus evans employees all saying the same thing?

I'm glad that you got so much out of your past career with marcus evans. If it was so great, why did you leave? Dont tell me it was because you were making too much money because my bet is that it would have been quite the opposite.
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#13 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Response to Edgewater from Quebec

AUTHOR: Nancy Isaac - (U.S.A.)

Quebec:

The fact that you found these reports on marcus evans "shocking" and "ultra-negative" raises a few red flags in my mind. Your rebuttal seemed more fabricated than the other postings of other ex-employees. It's almost as if you said exactly what marcus evans would have wanted to hear.

So, what is your ulterior motive? Are you getting paid under the table by your old boss or are you still working there and just trying to polish up the proverbial repuation of this washed out company?

You claim that the persons posting on the Ripoff Report have, "either a vested interest in being disruptive or a bruised ego for not having been able to find success while with the company." Can you honestly say that everything in all of these reports is completely unfounded and eroneous? If so, why is there a multitude of ex-marcus evans employees all saying the same thing?

I'm glad that you got so much out of your past career with marcus evans. If it was so great, why did you leave? Dont tell me it was because you were making too much money because my bet is that it would have been quite the opposite.
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#14 UPDATE EX-employee responds

Setting the record straight about careers at Marcus Evans

AUTHOR: Edgewater - (Canada)

Curious to know what is going on in the land of the Marcus Evans Company, I typed Marcus Evans into Google and came across some interesting information. The results were in some ways what I expected and in others somewhat shocking. Inter-dispersed amongst information submitted by the Company about its various divisions were articles about Marcus Evans the man. One reported on his 2006 bid to purchase a popular daily newspaper in England. Another, entitled Ipswich saviour Marcus Evans lies low, referred the unusually humble and reclusive manner in which Mr. Evans became in 2007 the owner of the Town of Ipswich Football Club.

I also came across some negative articles posted by ex-employees on ripoffreport.com. As one too (and also an advocate of social justice with more than 100 such blog articles published since 2006), I was both excited and surprised to stumble upon this site. Initially I was pleased to discover that such a site exists to make accountable those who should be. Was this the next wave consumer advocacy: Ralph Nader meets the world-wide-web?

My surprise had to do with some ultra-negative articles about a company for whom I had been an employee for over 2500 days and that I know well. In reading through some of the negativity, I thought to myself, what were the motives of those persons who had written bad things about the Company? Were these amongst the many negative-type people who tried to make it at Marcus Evans but couldn't? My experience is that people who blame others for their problems cannot find success there. More so than any other organization I've come across, the setting of goals, belief in the achievement of those goals via positivity are the two biggest factors in people's success, so it does not surprise me that people capable of observing and writing about such negatives on this site also did not succeed at Marcus Evans.

The next thing that crossed my mind in reading some of the things posted on this site was this: what was the ulterior motive? The unprecedented growth of Marcus Evans from a London only sports ticketing and hospitality business to a global company with offices in 64 cities around the world and over $350 million in annual revenues has inspired certain former employees, who have learned this business and also a trade, to go out on their own. The founders of one such spin off company in Montreal (later shut down by police allegedly for questionable business practices) had already used (while I was still with the Company) multiple dodgy tactics to disrupt their former Marcus Evans office. It is hard to see their point of view being anything but strategic and calculated since at the time they were competing with the Marcus Evans Montreal for both the best staff and a slice of the revenues. So, it would not surprise me that much of the complaining on this site about Marcus Evans is by persons with either a vested interest in being disruptive or a bruised ego for not having been able to find success while with the Company.

The environment requires employees to master both the mental and emotional side of sales in order to become top performers. In that sense, Marcus Evans, is perfectly meritorious with respect to only promoting those employees who get it over persons who might otherwise rely upon politics and spin to gain promotion in other organizations. Not only Marcus Evans like sales university, the skills learned in pursuit of success there are also life skills helping to make those who learn and make their own the process a little better at everything they do. I credit what I learned there for much of my professional and personal success ever since.

I would hate for any persons who are positive, driven and looking for both professional success and personal growth not to consider giving it a try for having read strategic placed information on this site. If one is curious about the journey or find what they've seen otherwise about Marcus Evans somewhat compelling, please don't avoid giving it a try solely because of unqualified comments by persons who are either bitter for not having succeeded there or who stand to profit by pointing the finger and not the way. It's a hell of a journey at Marcus Evans for those with the wherewithal and who are willing to take responsibility for their success or failure.
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#15 Author of original report

The Canadian

AUTHOR: Joel - (Canada)

It's been a long time since I logged that initial report.

To address concerns in the other rebutals. I am a salesperson, and a fairly good one. But, if you do well at Marcus Evans, you can probably do very well in an environment that treats you with more respect. I logged the original complaint about 2 years ago, and I have heard of some changes in the office that I worked at, but par for the course nobody I know who worked there worked there for over a year, so I really have no idea what things are like now.

In terms of support, we were sitting in teams of 5-6. We were responsible for generating all our own leads, and the only computer was shared by 2-3 teams (total of about 7 computers for an office of 100). Becuase of the lack of computers, there was no way to share calling lists. As well, there were several offices selling the same conference. So, I might call someone who is not interested, then they might be called multiple times IN THE SAME DAY. The only way people would be removed was if someone in that location purchased a conference package.I remeber someone cold calling the presenter of the conference. Also, very high pressure sales tactics, things like " I only have 2 seats left, and if you book now, I'll give you 100$, but you have to book now".

In terms of the actual product, I can't really say. I hear they are average seminars. Not the worst, but really not the greatest. There are several companies that run these types of seminars. I can't actually speak about them, becuase I have never attended one, but they seemed just OK.

In terms of the highering policy, they don't really have one. I took the job becuase I needed it, but I'm pretty sure if you have a degree, or a little working experience, they will higher you. And why not, they have limited overhead in new highers. They pay next to nothing, it's not like they get you a computer or anything. If you make a few sales a month you have paid for yourself.

This all isn't to say that people aren't succesful at Marcus Evans, you can be very successful. Someone on my team was making quite a lot of money. But, in my experience, those people were the great exception.

My real frustration with Marcus Evans is that they threaten to sue another company that had offered me a job. The other company was not even in the same field, they sold computers.

Anyways, this is just my 2 cents. There aren't to many people on the 'net complaining, so maybe i just had a bad experience.
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#16 Consumer Comment

I am a Marcus Evans potential applicant.

AUTHOR: Rahul - (U.S.A.)

To the Illinois person who is an employee, there is no Marcus Evans is Streamwood. The nearest one is in downtown Chicago which is over one hour away by train, and even longer via car. Do you really work at a Marcus Evans location? And just so potential applicants/employees know (and because you are anonymous and can therefore be honest), what is your "attractive income" after working there for 4 years? what kind of hours do you have to work. the canadian states that marcus evans uses "downright annoying" sales practices. is this true? and canadian guy, what did they do that was "downright annoying?" i have gone to the marcus evans website and the past, current and future conferences they organize look very professional with excellent professionals as guest speakers and lecturers. so why do you say the product is just average. please support claims no matter what side of the coin you may be on. dont just make accusations without any specific examples to the claims. thanks people. All the best.
RB, Chicago
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#17 UPDATE Employee

Well it is a SALES position, maybe you're not a Sales person

AUTHOR: N - (U.S.A.)

I have been employed here for 4 years, making a very attractive annual earning. Please remember that this is a sales position, and at the end of the day not everyone is made for sales.

Those whom are able to capture success at Marcusevans are true sales executives, thus competitors are always attempting to feed off the talent.

In terms of your other opportunity; you must understand that many sales companies have a non-compete clause in the employment contract, simply stating that you are unable to work for a competitive environment for a set period of time. Even if the products are not identical, it maybe the targets are similar, or the sales process is the same.

BTW: all offices abide by a strict No-Calls procedure, and it continues to work like clock work.
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