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  • Submitted: Thu, September 28, 2006
  • Updated: Tue, October 03, 2006

  • Reported By:Phoenix Arizona
Maricopa County Attorney's Office
301 W Jefferson Suite 900 Phoenix, Arizona U.S.A.

Maricopa County Attorney's Office Big Ripoff! No help at all. Incompetent! Phoenix Arizona

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My brother was attacked last summer and left in the street bloody and unconscious. His attacker got away before police arrived and his girlfriend lied for him. My brother was transported to the hospital and found out he had muliple fractures to his face, a broken nasal passage and a severe concussion.

Since he had no insurance as he could not afford the premium he went to AHCCCS for help. He was denied because of "excessive income".

So we tried the Victims Compensation program to help him with his medical bills. It took many months of paperwork, much of which we did the paper chasing and finally his claim was reviewed and denied. We appealed. They gave him 24 hours notice to show up for the appeal. The average working person cannot just pickup and go so the now irritated board for the appeal gave the approval for a phone interview.

During this time his case manager was faxed a very important police report from a Detective in the Special Crimes Unit who stated this was indeed an assualt. His case manager did not get the information to the board as promised.

During the phone interview the board asked the most ridulous questions. They could not understand why his medical condition was not in the police report! Since when did the Police become doctors on site! That is why we provided the medical reports from the hospital. From doctors.

The board could not understand why my brother could not remember that night while talking to the officer. Again - he had a head injury and medical reports were provided. He was also unconscious. Maybe these people need to get a medical dictionary before they process assualt reports.

Now here is the kicker! They still denied him because "criminal injurious conduct" did not happen.

I sent a letter to Andrew P. Thomas, the top person at this business and let him know what happened. I feel that if this board is paid by taxpeyers then maybe we should disband them as they are useless.

I have never received a reply from anyone in his office yet. Even though Mr. Thomas was quoted he responds to each letter sent to him at his office. Well Mr. Thomas, you are not getting my vote next election.

My brother was treated worse than the criminal in this case, whom by the way cannot be charged as the statute of limitations has run out.

So now my brother is $8000 in debt for medical bills. His credit is ruined.

We would still like to hear from an attorney if anyone is interested in his case.

But most of all - don't vote for Andrew P. Thomas.

Sharon
Phoenix, Arizona
U.S.A.

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AUTHOR: Sharon - (U.S.A.)

Below you will find what I have been listening to for months now. It is never going change. It is my hope that someday victims will have a voice and not be judged by a piece of paper. This could happen to you, your friends or your family. Montel Williams had a wonderful program about this very subject. I plan on contacting his show among many other outlets. TV, News, and maybe I might just write a book about the system.

Yes the original police report was called in by the woman who was being yelled at by her boyfriend. She lied. Can we prove that, no. We can get doctors reports that state my brothers injuries were due to an assault, not a fall. It is pretty hard to sustain injuries on the back of your head and simultaneously sustain injuries to your face. Anyone knows that.

We also have Detective Hickmans report stating this was due to an assault. And in his professional opinion he said there was no doubt in his mind this was an "assault". He is a Detective in the Special Crimes Unit against People and it sounds like you do not value his expertise. As far as "alcohol" being smelled, it is not against the law for an adult to drink as long as they do not break the law. Therefore this is irrelevant. The letter from the room mate was written by me with the room mates permission. It was not like we falsely wrote a letter and signed someone's name to it.

The internet is full of information, I found that on Maricopa.gov the house that the "female" lived in was indeed sold two months ago just like the owner said. She had no knowledge of knowing her. How hard was it for this board to substantiate that. I did. I also found out that the "female" is receiving child support and obviously they have her current address if she wants her checks. That again was easy for me to find. It is quite obvious that no one is going to help a true victim here. Thank you for at least looking into the matter and Myspace account thanks you also.

Ms. XXXXXXXXX

I have contacted the Maricopa County compensation program to inquire about this claim and the circumstances of the denial. My role in administering the victim compensation program at the state level is to ensure that county programs follow Arizona statute and Arizona Administrative Code. On matters of judgment by County Compensation Boards, I do not have the authority to overrule their decisions.

After reviewing the Boards action and reasons for making a determination of denial, I did not find that they violated any state statute or administrative program rule. That being said, I can tell you that I have reviewed your letter and asked for an accounting of the facts of the case and that the program provides me an explanation of why the claim was denied. The case was decided by the Board based on whether a crime could be substantiated by the program.

According to the police report that was originally filed, officers responded to a 911 call made by a female about a man lying in the street. Officers on the scene stated there was the smell of alcohol on your injured man. He was transported to the hospital but the incident was not classified as a crime because there were no witnesses and the injuries could have been sustained from a fall. Some time later the police department reviewed the incident again because of a packet of information they received from you. Contained in that information was a letter from a roommate to the investigating detective that supported your contention that your brother was assaulted by the boyfriend of a female that was involved in an argument. The letter stated your brother asked if the female was alright and was subsequently attacked by the boyfriend.

A second report was subsequently generated that reflected the statements made in the packet of information and law enforcement investigated the incident. The case was later inactivated because there were no witnesses, the victim couldn't initially recall what happened, and there was no identified suspect.

The program must determine by the facts provided that a crime occurred and that the victim was not negligent in any way nor participated in intentional unlawful conduct that substantially provoked or caused the injuries. The contention here is with the former. The Board could not place validity in the letter because the roommate, upon an interview with the detective, said he did not write the letter.

The information provided by law enforcement states that the woman who called 911 to report a man found lying in the street was the same woman identified as the one who was arguing with her boyfriend. The detective could not substantiate the female's account because she could no longer be located. A person was contacted at the residence listed by the female but the person who answered denied knowing the female or that the female lived there for at least the previous two months, when the residence was purchased. This cause further confusion and suspicion by the Board. All the Board had to determine whether a crime occurred was the photos of the injuries sustained. The Board found this was not adequate.

Finally, I inquired whether the Board was made aware of the second police report during the appeal. Tape recorded minutes of the meeting and the written version reflect that the second report was used at the appeal and that Board found no new evidence that substantiated a crime had occurred and that the injuries were not due to something other than criminal conduct.

Unless there is new factual information that can be substantiated by the county program, it is unlikely that the Board will overturn their decision to deny the claim because a crime cannot be substantiated.

Tony Vidale
Victim Services Program Manager
Arizona Criminal Justice Commission
1110 W. Washington, Suite 230
Phoenix, AZ 85007
602-364-1155 (Office) 602-364-1175 (FAX)
tvidale@azcjc.gov
www.azcjc.gov
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AUTHOR: Sharon - (U.S.A.)

Below you will find what I have been listening to for months now. It is never going change. It is my hope that someday victims will have a voice and not be judged by a piece of paper. This could happen to you, your friends or your family. Montel Williams had a wonderful program about this very subject. I plan on contacting his show among many other outlets. TV, News, and maybe I might just write a book about the system.

Yes the original police report was called in by the woman who was being yelled at by her boyfriend. She lied. Can we prove that, no. We can get doctors reports that state my brothers injuries were due to an assault, not a fall. It is pretty hard to sustain injuries on the back of your head and simultaneously sustain injuries to your face. Anyone knows that.

We also have Detective Hickmans report stating this was due to an assault. And in his professional opinion he said there was no doubt in his mind this was an "assault". He is a Detective in the Special Crimes Unit against People and it sounds like you do not value his expertise. As far as "alcohol" being smelled, it is not against the law for an adult to drink as long as they do not break the law. Therefore this is irrelevant. The letter from the room mate was written by me with the room mates permission. It was not like we falsely wrote a letter and signed someone's name to it.

The internet is full of information, I found that on Maricopa.gov the house that the "female" lived in was indeed sold two months ago just like the owner said. She had no knowledge of knowing her. How hard was it for this board to substantiate that. I did. I also found out that the "female" is receiving child support and obviously they have her current address if she wants her checks. That again was easy for me to find. It is quite obvious that no one is going to help a true victim here. Thank you for at least looking into the matter and Myspace account thanks you also.

Ms. XXXXXXXXX

I have contacted the Maricopa County compensation program to inquire about this claim and the circumstances of the denial. My role in administering the victim compensation program at the state level is to ensure that county programs follow Arizona statute and Arizona Administrative Code. On matters of judgment by County Compensation Boards, I do not have the authority to overrule their decisions.

After reviewing the Boards action and reasons for making a determination of denial, I did not find that they violated any state statute or administrative program rule. That being said, I can tell you that I have reviewed your letter and asked for an accounting of the facts of the case and that the program provides me an explanation of why the claim was denied. The case was decided by the Board based on whether a crime could be substantiated by the program.

According to the police report that was originally filed, officers responded to a 911 call made by a female about a man lying in the street. Officers on the scene stated there was the smell of alcohol on your injured man. He was transported to the hospital but the incident was not classified as a crime because there were no witnesses and the injuries could have been sustained from a fall. Some time later the police department reviewed the incident again because of a packet of information they received from you. Contained in that information was a letter from a roommate to the investigating detective that supported your contention that your brother was assaulted by the boyfriend of a female that was involved in an argument. The letter stated your brother asked if the female was alright and was subsequently attacked by the boyfriend.

A second report was subsequently generated that reflected the statements made in the packet of information and law enforcement investigated the incident. The case was later inactivated because there were no witnesses, the victim couldn't initially recall what happened, and there was no identified suspect.

The program must determine by the facts provided that a crime occurred and that the victim was not negligent in any way nor participated in intentional unlawful conduct that substantially provoked or caused the injuries. The contention here is with the former. The Board could not place validity in the letter because the roommate, upon an interview with the detective, said he did not write the letter.

The information provided by law enforcement states that the woman who called 911 to report a man found lying in the street was the same woman identified as the one who was arguing with her boyfriend. The detective could not substantiate the female's account because she could no longer be located. A person was contacted at the residence listed by the female but the person who answered denied knowing the female or that the female lived there for at least the previous two months, when the residence was purchased. This cause further confusion and suspicion by the Board. All the Board had to determine whether a crime occurred was the photos of the injuries sustained. The Board found this was not adequate.

Finally, I inquired whether the Board was made aware of the second police report during the appeal. Tape recorded minutes of the meeting and the written version reflect that the second report was used at the appeal and that Board found no new evidence that substantiated a crime had occurred and that the injuries were not due to something other than criminal conduct.

Unless there is new factual information that can be substantiated by the county program, it is unlikely that the Board will overturn their decision to deny the claim because a crime cannot be substantiated.

Tony Vidale
Victim Services Program Manager
Arizona Criminal Justice Commission
1110 W. Washington, Suite 230
Phoenix, AZ 85007
602-364-1155 (Office) 602-364-1175 (FAX)
tvidale@azcjc.gov
www.azcjc.gov
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AUTHOR: Sharon - (U.S.A.)

Below you will find what I have been listening to for months now. It is never going change. It is my hope that someday victims will have a voice and not be judged by a piece of paper. This could happen to you, your friends or your family. Montel Williams had a wonderful program about this very subject. I plan on contacting his show among many other outlets. TV, News, and maybe I might just write a book about the system.

Yes the original police report was called in by the woman who was being yelled at by her boyfriend. She lied. Can we prove that, no. We can get doctors reports that state my brothers injuries were due to an assault, not a fall. It is pretty hard to sustain injuries on the back of your head and simultaneously sustain injuries to your face. Anyone knows that.

We also have Detective Hickmans report stating this was due to an assault. And in his professional opinion he said there was no doubt in his mind this was an "assault". He is a Detective in the Special Crimes Unit against People and it sounds like you do not value his expertise. As far as "alcohol" being smelled, it is not against the law for an adult to drink as long as they do not break the law. Therefore this is irrelevant. The letter from the room mate was written by me with the room mates permission. It was not like we falsely wrote a letter and signed someone's name to it.

The internet is full of information, I found that on Maricopa.gov the house that the "female" lived in was indeed sold two months ago just like the owner said. She had no knowledge of knowing her. How hard was it for this board to substantiate that. I did. I also found out that the "female" is receiving child support and obviously they have her current address if she wants her checks. That again was easy for me to find. It is quite obvious that no one is going to help a true victim here. Thank you for at least looking into the matter and Myspace account thanks you also.

Ms. XXXXXXXXX

I have contacted the Maricopa County compensation program to inquire about this claim and the circumstances of the denial. My role in administering the victim compensation program at the state level is to ensure that county programs follow Arizona statute and Arizona Administrative Code. On matters of judgment by County Compensation Boards, I do not have the authority to overrule their decisions.

After reviewing the Boards action and reasons for making a determination of denial, I did not find that they violated any state statute or administrative program rule. That being said, I can tell you that I have reviewed your letter and asked for an accounting of the facts of the case and that the program provides me an explanation of why the claim was denied. The case was decided by the Board based on whether a crime could be substantiated by the program.

According to the police report that was originally filed, officers responded to a 911 call made by a female about a man lying in the street. Officers on the scene stated there was the smell of alcohol on your injured man. He was transported to the hospital but the incident was not classified as a crime because there were no witnesses and the injuries could have been sustained from a fall. Some time later the police department reviewed the incident again because of a packet of information they received from you. Contained in that information was a letter from a roommate to the investigating detective that supported your contention that your brother was assaulted by the boyfriend of a female that was involved in an argument. The letter stated your brother asked if the female was alright and was subsequently attacked by the boyfriend.

A second report was subsequently generated that reflected the statements made in the packet of information and law enforcement investigated the incident. The case was later inactivated because there were no witnesses, the victim couldn't initially recall what happened, and there was no identified suspect.

The program must determine by the facts provided that a crime occurred and that the victim was not negligent in any way nor participated in intentional unlawful conduct that substantially provoked or caused the injuries. The contention here is with the former. The Board could not place validity in the letter because the roommate, upon an interview with the detective, said he did not write the letter.

The information provided by law enforcement states that the woman who called 911 to report a man found lying in the street was the same woman identified as the one who was arguing with her boyfriend. The detective could not substantiate the female's account because she could no longer be located. A person was contacted at the residence listed by the female but the person who answered denied knowing the female or that the female lived there for at least the previous two months, when the residence was purchased. This cause further confusion and suspicion by the Board. All the Board had to determine whether a crime occurred was the photos of the injuries sustained. The Board found this was not adequate.

Finally, I inquired whether the Board was made aware of the second police report during the appeal. Tape recorded minutes of the meeting and the written version reflect that the second report was used at the appeal and that Board found no new evidence that substantiated a crime had occurred and that the injuries were not due to something other than criminal conduct.

Unless there is new factual information that can be substantiated by the county program, it is unlikely that the Board will overturn their decision to deny the claim because a crime cannot be substantiated.

Tony Vidale
Victim Services Program Manager
Arizona Criminal Justice Commission
1110 W. Washington, Suite 230
Phoenix, AZ 85007
602-364-1155 (Office) 602-364-1175 (FAX)
tvidale@azcjc.gov
www.azcjc.gov
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AUTHOR: Sharon - (U.S.A.)

Below you will find what I have been listening to for months now. It is never going change. It is my hope that someday victims will have a voice and not be judged by a piece of paper. This could happen to you, your friends or your family. Montel Williams had a wonderful program about this very subject. I plan on contacting his show among many other outlets. TV, News, and maybe I might just write a book about the system.

Yes the original police report was called in by the woman who was being yelled at by her boyfriend. She lied. Can we prove that, no. We can get doctors reports that state my brothers injuries were due to an assault, not a fall. It is pretty hard to sustain injuries on the back of your head and simultaneously sustain injuries to your face. Anyone knows that.

We also have Detective Hickmans report stating this was due to an assault. And in his professional opinion he said there was no doubt in his mind this was an "assault". He is a Detective in the Special Crimes Unit against People and it sounds like you do not value his expertise. As far as "alcohol" being smelled, it is not against the law for an adult to drink as long as they do not break the law. Therefore this is irrelevant. The letter from the room mate was written by me with the room mates permission. It was not like we falsely wrote a letter and signed someone's name to it.

The internet is full of information, I found that on Maricopa.gov the house that the "female" lived in was indeed sold two months ago just like the owner said. She had no knowledge of knowing her. How hard was it for this board to substantiate that. I did. I also found out that the "female" is receiving child support and obviously they have her current address if she wants her checks. That again was easy for me to find. It is quite obvious that no one is going to help a true victim here. Thank you for at least looking into the matter and Myspace account thanks you also.

Ms. XXXXXXXXX

I have contacted the Maricopa County compensation program to inquire about this claim and the circumstances of the denial. My role in administering the victim compensation program at the state level is to ensure that county programs follow Arizona statute and Arizona Administrative Code. On matters of judgment by County Compensation Boards, I do not have the authority to overrule their decisions.

After reviewing the Boards action and reasons for making a determination of denial, I did not find that they violated any state statute or administrative program rule. That being said, I can tell you that I have reviewed your letter and asked for an accounting of the facts of the case and that the program provides me an explanation of why the claim was denied. The case was decided by the Board based on whether a crime could be substantiated by the program.

According to the police report that was originally filed, officers responded to a 911 call made by a female about a man lying in the street. Officers on the scene stated there was the smell of alcohol on your injured man. He was transported to the hospital but the incident was not classified as a crime because there were no witnesses and the injuries could have been sustained from a fall. Some time later the police department reviewed the incident again because of a packet of information they received from you. Contained in that information was a letter from a roommate to the investigating detective that supported your contention that your brother was assaulted by the boyfriend of a female that was involved in an argument. The letter stated your brother asked if the female was alright and was subsequently attacked by the boyfriend.

A second report was subsequently generated that reflected the statements made in the packet of information and law enforcement investigated the incident. The case was later inactivated because there were no witnesses, the victim couldn't initially recall what happened, and there was no identified suspect.

The program must determine by the facts provided that a crime occurred and that the victim was not negligent in any way nor participated in intentional unlawful conduct that substantially provoked or caused the injuries. The contention here is with the former. The Board could not place validity in the letter because the roommate, upon an interview with the detective, said he did not write the letter.

The information provided by law enforcement states that the woman who called 911 to report a man found lying in the street was the same woman identified as the one who was arguing with her boyfriend. The detective could not substantiate the female's account because she could no longer be located. A person was contacted at the residence listed by the female but the person who answered denied knowing the female or that the female lived there for at least the previous two months, when the residence was purchased. This cause further confusion and suspicion by the Board. All the Board had to determine whether a crime occurred was the photos of the injuries sustained. The Board found this was not adequate.

Finally, I inquired whether the Board was made aware of the second police report during the appeal. Tape recorded minutes of the meeting and the written version reflect that the second report was used at the appeal and that Board found no new evidence that substantiated a crime had occurred and that the injuries were not due to something other than criminal conduct.

Unless there is new factual information that can be substantiated by the county program, it is unlikely that the Board will overturn their decision to deny the claim because a crime cannot be substantiated.

Tony Vidale
Victim Services Program Manager
Arizona Criminal Justice Commission
1110 W. Washington, Suite 230
Phoenix, AZ 85007
602-364-1155 (Office) 602-364-1175 (FAX)
tvidale@azcjc.gov
www.azcjc.gov
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