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  • Submitted: Fri, March 09, 2007
  • Updated: Fri, July 18, 2008

  • Reported By:columbus Ohio
Mark E Kohl State Attorney, monroe County Mark Kohl State Attorney, mark E Kohl
530 Whitehead St Key West, Florida U.S.A.

Mark E Kohl State Attorney, monroe County Mark Kohl State Attorney, mark E Kohl ignored crime, ignored grand theft, derelict of duty, Key West Florida

*Consumer Comment: I googles it.

*Consumer Comment: STOP THE PRESSES

*Consumer Comment: STOP THE PRESSES

*Consumer Comment: I just saw the vessel in question

*Consumer Comment: Your confusing the law with maritime law.

*Consumer Comment: Well that's certainly a lie. You never owned a "yacht"

*Author of original report: monroe county sheriff detectives confirm yacht theft- also say they should be in jail (((link)))

*Author of original report: monroe county sheriff detectives confirm yacht theft- also say they should be in jail (((link)))

*Author of original report: monroe county sheriff detectives confirm yacht theft- also say they should be in jail (((link)))

*Author of original report: monroe county sheriff detectives confirm yacht theft- also say they should be in jail (((link)))

*Consumer Comment: So why haven't you sued them

*Author of original report: MONROE COUNTY DETECTIVE ON RECORD CONFIRMING THIEVES COMMITTED GRAND THEFT

*Consumer Comment: Ha ha ha. The everchanging tale of woe.

*Consumer Comment: WOW LOCAL RESIDENT SAYS IT ALL AT MARK KOHL DOT COM

*Author of original report: the truth hurts ... sorry people

*Consumer Comment: Different stories, same conclusion. Robert is wrong.

*Author of original report: LIAR

*Author of original report: LIAR

*Author of original report: LIAR

*Author of original report: LIAR

*Consumer Comment: The verdict is in...

*Author of original report: Something to read

*Author of original report: Florida brokers and auctioneers all have said illegal/unethical

*Author of original report: State of florida on record saying taking of yacht was illegal/theft

*Consumer Comment: Dan is mad hes been exposed as a liar

*Consumer Comment: I feel dumber after reading Robert's stories.

*Author of original report: The truth hurts

*Consumer Comment: Sounds Like Mark Kohl Was Right

*Consumer Comment: Lots of falsehoods in the stories

*Consumer Comment: Liar Exposed

*Consumer Comment: Anger Has Shown

*Author of original report: mike you might want to try reading they story first before commenting

*Consumer Suggestion: Complicated situation, simple answer.

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Mark E. Kohl State Attorney in Monroe county florida-key west has ignored a grand theft.

Last October, Kevin McCarthy, of Amelia Island, Florida, drove down to Key West to look at a 45-foot boat being offered for sale by the Ocean Key House Resort. He looked at the boat, talked to a broker and was ready to offer the asking price of $110,000.

Then he learned that the hotel was planning to auction off the boat. So he checked with hotel General Manager Steve Boswell and the hotel's attorney, Alan Eckstein.

?I wanted to make sure that the hotel really owned the boat,? McCarthy told Key West the Newspaper this week. ?They told me that they had taken possession of the boat after the owner had defaulted on his dockage payments.?

So McCarthy authorized his broker to bid on the boat? and he got it for $71,000. And he got a purchase sales agreement from Attorney Eckstein.

McCarthy motored the boat up to Islamorada and left it there for 10 days for cleaning and servicing. Then he and his wife returned to the Keys to take the boat up to Amelia Island.

?We were nearing Miami when both engines quit on us,? he said. ?And while we were waiting on a tow, I got a call on my cell phone from Robert Krutko, who identified himself as the former owner of the boat. He told me, ?You are on my stolen vessel.'

?He said that the Ocean Key House had stolen the boat from him and had illegally resold it,? McCarthy said.

?I didn't know what to think, so while we were being towed to Miami, I called Attorney Eckstein. He reassured me that everything was okay. Then I checked with a Miami maritime lawyer recommended by the towboat driver. After listening to my story, he told me that I had probably bought a stolen boat.?

McCarthy said he had already made arrangements for extensive servicing in Ft. Lauderdale, so he had the boat towed there and, back home, consulted with another maritime lawyer in Jacksonville.

?He agreed with the Miami lawyer and, after some more research, he wrote Eckstein a letter demanding that they return my $71,000,? McCarthy said. ?It took them a couple of weeks, but they finally sent me the money.?

Last December, the Ocean Key House sued Krutko in federal court, alleging that he owes the hotel more than $60,000 in dockage fees. Krutko has counter sued, alleging grand theft.

Krutko said that, in June of 2005, he and his wife bought an existing sunset cruise and snorkeling business based at the Ocean Key House Resort marina. The deal included the boat.

?We were paying $3000 per month for dockage on a month-to-month basis,? he said. ?But we soon learned that we were losing thousands of dollars because the concierges at the hotel were referring business to our competitors. I complained to General Manager Boswell and he promised to put a stop to it. But nothing changed.?

Then, the hurricanes of September and October 2005 blew through, and many of the docks and walkways at the hotel were destroyed.

?The hotel had ordered all boats out of the marina before the storms but, after Wilma, we were allowed to return because our slip was intact,? Krutko said. ?But we were not required to pay rent for a couple of months because the marina was not operational.?

But by December, when the walkways in the marina had been repaired, he and his wife had decided to move the boat, put it up for sale and move on.

?But Boswell begged us to stay, even offering six months free rent because of the storms and the problems the concierges had caused us,? Krutko said. ?But the problem never got any better.?

So, a few days before the six-month free rent deal expired, Krutko said that he had an employee move the boat out of the hotel marina, up to his home on a canal on Cudjoe Key, 23 miles away.

?But it was decided that there wasn't enough room to put the boat at my dock, so he anchored it out in the bay,? Krutko said.

But, the next day, the boat was missing and Krutko filed a theft report with the Sheriff's Office. Deputies reported that a call had come in from a neighbor who said the boat was adrift and that he had called the Florida Wildlife Commission (FWC).

An FWC officer found the boat and a Sea Tow boat showed up at the same time. Then a call came in from the Ocean Key House. Hotel officials reportedly told the officer that the boat had broken loose in the marina and that it should be returned to the hotel.

?Incredibly, the FWC officer released the boat to the hotel, rather than having it towed to a secure location until the owner could be found,? Krutko said. ?It didn't seem to occur to the officer to question how the boat could have ?drifted' from the Ocean Key House to a location 23 miles up the Keys!?

A Sheriff's deputy reportedly later found the boat chained to the dock at the hotel marina. Upon questioning, hotel employees reportedly told the deputy that the hotel had a lien on the boat, but they could not produce any paperwork to support that claim.

?The Sheriff not only bought that bogus claim, a deputy called me and told me it was now a civil matter,? Krutko said.

Not long after that, the hotel sold the boat to Kevin McCarthy.

McCarthy said that, even though the hotel returned his purchase price to him, he is still out thousands of dollars for other expenses associated with buying and moving the boat. ?I am watching Robert's lawsuit against the hotel,? he said. ?When he wins his suit, I'm next in line.?

Krutko calls the hotel's lawsuit ?outrageous?.

?They are even suing for dockage fees during the time, after the storms, when the hotel didn't have any docks.? he said.

He said he is also disappointed in State Attorney Mark Kohl, who refused to accept his grand theft complaint against the hotel. ?Why can't he see grand theft when it's staring him right in the face??

While the lawyers wrangle, the boat remains in the custody of federal marshals in a Ft. Lauderdale marina, continuing to run up dockage bills.

this is only part-1 of story mark e kohl has still ignored this as of today when many attorneys can see grand theft within just a couple minutes. The deep pocket hotel still continues to get away with the crime why?

Robert
columbus, Ohio
U.S.A.

This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 03/09/2007 12:07 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Mark-E-Kohl-State-Attorney-monroe-County-Mark-Kohl-State-Attorney-mark-E-Kohl/Key-West-Florida-33040/Mark-E-Kohl-State-Attorney-monroe-County-Mark-Kohl-State-Attorney-mark-E-Kohl-ignored-cr-238665. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

I googles it.

AUTHOR: Maritime Armed Security - (U.S.A.)

The report on google is what you have put up Robert. But here the thing. The vessel had a lien on it title. So lets just say it was stolen, if it was it would have still not been stolen from you under maritime law.

P.S Why is there to complaints by you on the same subject?

Robert if you want you can call me and I'll explain things to you under maritime law. There is a lot of info missing. If I have the right info I could explain.

Look up CVI - Maritime Armed Security Inc. my number is on it.
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#2 Consumer Comment

STOP THE PRESSES

AUTHOR: Maritime Armed Security - (U.S.A.)

I just noticed something, you stated that the engines died on you. What is the chances of 2 engines failing at the same time? You didn't state you had electical problems, you stated engines. If only one engine went out, you still would be ok to keep going until you got her into a slip for repairs.

It sounds like you hit a reef AKA grounded and then had to call for a tow from TOWBOATUS, which if your from Ohio you would be clueless on how to navigate through a living reef as the Florida Keys holds the only living coral reef in the United States and over 600 people a year grounded their vessel in the Keys from lack of skills to nav the reef. Which is very easy info to look up from the FWC

and if you were crusing it up to Miami you would then ground in Blackwater Sound as you would not know about reading the color depth in the Keys.

Truly something is not right with this story!!!!!! Out side of you not handling this as a maritime matter with the proper people.


Question.. Robert how old are you and how much time have you had on the water?
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STOP THE PRESSES

AUTHOR: Maritime Armed Security - (U.S.A.)

I just noticed something, you stated that the engines died on you. What is the chances of 2 engines failing at the same time? You didn't state you had electical problems, you stated engines. If only one engine went out, you still would be ok to keep going until you got her into a slip for repairs.

It sounds like you hit a reef AKA grounded and then had to call for a tow from TOWBOATUS, which if your from Ohio you would be clueless on how to navigate through a living reef as the Florida Keys holds the only living coral reef in the United States and over 600 people a year grounded their vessel in the Keys from lack of skills to nav the reef. Which is very easy info to look up from the FWC

and if you were crusing it up to Miami you would then ground in Blackwater Sound as you would not know about reading the color depth in the Keys.

Truly something is not right with this story!!!!!! Out side of you not handling this as a maritime matter with the proper people.
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#4 Consumer Comment

I just saw the vessel in question

AUTHOR: Maritime Armed Security - (U.S.A.)

This is not a yacht! this is a party barge, nothing more nothing less. Why are you misinforming people of what type of vessel this is? There is a very very big difference in a Yacht and a pontoon boat aka Party Barge. It's like saying diamonds are the same as broken glass.

You can never compare the law of the land to the law of the sea, and that is what you are doing. Just as you compared a party barge to a yacht.

I stated where you went wrong in my other comment. But after reading everything and looking up the vessel in question. I can truly state.

You Sir have blamed a public official for not doing his job, When the truth is you went to the wrong person. The proper channel is Tallahassee not the D.A. of Monroe Co.

And that fact can never be changed, no matter how much you wish you could change it.

After reading everything you stated about the D.A. in Monroe Co. Sir you truly should be ashamed of yourself, you're blaming an innocent man for your lack of knowleadge of how to handle maritime matters in the proper fashion.
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#5 Consumer Comment

Your confusing the law with maritime law.

AUTHOR: Maritime Armed Security - (U.S.A.)

You ask how can a vessel drift 23 miles? easy it drag anchor. Whomever salvage the vessel because it was in peril as it was a drift. Has every right to put a lien on that vessel AGAIN.

If the vessel owner owes dockage prior to you buying it, then the hotel has a right to put a lien against it and sell it. The owner lost his right to the vessel by not paying his dockage and the hotel has every right to sell to collect their money back.

You don't go to the D.A of Monroe Co. You contact Tallahassee, they are the ones who handle this. Not the D.A of monroe Co. Florida

You nailed th D.A. of Monroe Co for this on this website, and you are wrong. It is very clear that you have no knowledge of maritime law. And pointed & accused the wrong person which would be the D.A. in this case.

This report you made about the D.A. of Monroe Co. is very inaccurate. End of Story!!!

The only problem here is you did not or will not address the proper people that handles this type of matter. You must learn maritime law if you want to play on the water as maritime law governs over this, not county.

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#6 Consumer Comment

Well that's certainly a lie. You never owned a "yacht"

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

It was more like 2 canoes joined together. That's what catamarans are right?

But anyway, why haven't you sued them

Why?

Why haven't you sued them and the alleged government officials that you continue to slander if you are right?

Why have you stopped slandering the government officials that deemed everything was done correctly? Threatened with a suit there too?

And why do you keep alleging that others agree with you when there is no one that does? Why do you talk to yourself through different screen names? When are you finally going to accept the summons and appear in court?

Please provide proof of your fraudulent allegations that I have different screennames (unlike your dumbass that does and signs 'robert' to them you loser) and that I post on sites all over the internet.
Much like your boyfriend charles, you can't and is just one of your many, many lies on this site. You really are not as important in the scheme of life as you seem to think. That's why your bogus claims are unfounded and no one takes your lies seriously. I have no need to follow you over the internet....I debunk your claims right here.
Why does the price of the canoe in question keep changing? That's another lie you've been throwing around for awhile.
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monroe county sheriff detectives confirm yacht theft- also say they should be in jail (((link)))

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

http://www.keylargokey.com/leadpage1.htm
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monroe county sheriff detectives confirm yacht theft- also say they should be in jail (((link)))

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

http://www.keylargokey.com/leadpage1.htm
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monroe county sheriff detectives confirm yacht theft- also say they should be in jail (((link)))

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

http://www.keylargokey.com/leadpage1.htm
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monroe county sheriff detectives confirm yacht theft- also say they should be in jail (((link)))

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

http://www.keylargokey.com/leadpage1.htm
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#11 Consumer Comment

So why haven't you sued them

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Why?

Why haven't you sued them and the alleged government officials that you continue to slander if you are right?

Why have you stopped slandering the government officials that deemed everything was done correctly? Threatened with a suit there too?

And why do you keep alleging that others agree with you when there is no one that does? Why do you talk to yourself through different screen names? When are you finally going to accept the summons and appear in court?

Please provide proof of your fraudulent allegations that I have different screennames (unlike your dumbass that does and signs 'robert' to them you loser) and that I post on sites all over the internet.
Much like your boyfriend charles, you can't and is just one of your many, many lies on this site. You really are not as important in the scheme of life as you seem to think. That's why your bogus claims are unfounded and no one takes your lies seriously. I have no need to follow you over the internet....I debunk your claims right here.
Why does the price of the canoe in question keep changing? That's another lie you've been throwing around for awhile.
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#12 Author of original report

MONROE COUNTY DETECTIVE ON RECORD CONFIRMING THIEVES COMMITTED GRAND THEFT

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

MONROE COUNTY FETECTIVE WILKINSON NOW ON RECORD CONFIRMING THE THIEVES COMMITTED GRAND THEFT. TO READ MORE AND HEAD THE ACTUAL CONFIRMATION GOOGLE


COPS CONFIRM THEFT PODBEAN
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#13 Consumer Comment

Ha ha ha. The everchanging tale of woe.

AUTHOR: John - (U.S.A.)

Your 'episode' with your abandoned canoe (now mysteriously valued well over what the original story was) happened over 2 years ago, to which you still have not taken anyone to court. You post under numerous usernames as someone who agrees with you, except for the post by your boyfriend charles, and that has been proven. If your case is so iron clad, why haven't you sued the government officials, agencies, people, and companies that you slander on a daily basis? When are you actually going to answer the summons that's out for you and go to court?
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#14 Consumer Comment

WOW LOCAL RESIDENT SAYS IT ALL AT MARK KOHL DOT COM

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

I GUESS THERES MANY OTHERS WHO AGREE MARK KOHL IS A CROOK. JUST GO TO MARK KOHL DOT COM. THIS POOR LOCAL RESIDENT WAS ROYALLY SCREWED BY THIS MAN. IF THE STATE ATTORNEY WANTS TO GET INTO BILL COLLECTING HE EEDS TO OPEN A BILL COLLECTION OFFICE NOT USE HIS STATE ATTORNEY POWERS TO COLLECT FOR FRIENDS.
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the truth hurts ... sorry people

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

yes mark kohl the great state attorney. ive read alot about him. seems he screwed alot of others with his bogus prosecutions. thats ok fits well with monroes bogus cops. oh yes speaking of cops monroe countys top detective confirms on record boswell and evans committed grand theft, you can hear this at
google

podbean-cops confirm theft



these people are so upset little old bobby got their friends exposed ..


boooo hoooooo
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#16 Consumer Comment

Different stories, same conclusion. Robert is wrong.

AUTHOR: Kristian - (U.S.A.)

Am I the only one who noticed that Robert changed his story here? Initially, he stated that he owed the hotel $60,000. Then, when replying to Dan, he changed the amount to $36,000 and called Dan an idiot.

Either way, any responsible adult - and even teens these days - know what happens when you don't pay your bills. It's no surprise Robert lost his boat. But complaining about a prosecutor is also wrong. It comes down to landlord/tenant. This matter is civil in every sense.

I've seen countless versions of this story, each one a little different, and blaming someone else. I believe the only one at fault for this whole fiasco is Robert, himself.

I also believe that part of the reason Robert is in this mess is the fact he can not accept constructive criticism. He argues every point and every question like a child. If he'd take a minute to think about what he's doing, and ask for sincere advise, perhaps someone would be more willing to help him. But who wants to help a jerk? Certainly not me.
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LIAR

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Federal court cases are not over in a couple months. As everyone can se this guy s a liar. We havent even seen a judge yet let alone case over. Good try michael the more lies you tell the stupider you look. But you achieved that a long time ago.
So for everyone watching the case hasnt even begun i will keep everyone up t date as it happens.
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LIAR

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Federal court cases are not over in a couple months. As everyone can se this guy s a liar. We havent even seen a judge yet let alone case over. Good try michael the more lies you tell the stupider you look. But you achieved that a long time ago.
So for everyone watching the case hasnt even begun i will keep everyone up t date as it happens.
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LIAR

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Federal court cases are not over in a couple months. As everyone can se this guy s a liar. We havent even seen a judge yet let alone case over. Good try michael the more lies you tell the stupider you look. But you achieved that a long time ago.
So for everyone watching the case hasnt even begun i will keep everyone up t date as it happens.
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LIAR

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Federal court cases are not over in a couple months. As everyone can se this guy s a liar. We havent even seen a judge yet let alone case over. Good try michael the more lies you tell the stupider you look. But you achieved that a long time ago.
So for everyone watching the case hasnt even begun i will keep everyone up t date as it happens.
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#21 Consumer Comment

The verdict is in...

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

The Federal Courts have ruled against Robert. Ownership of the boat has been granted to Ocean Key House.

So basically, Mark Kohl and the State's Attorneys Office was correct by not accepting this case. The Federal Courts have found no criminal action on behalf of Ocean Key House.

Of course, Robert intentionally left several major details out of his report. For one, the fact that he owed Ocean Key House over $20,000.
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#22 Author of original report

Something to read

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

As many of you following this there are a few people in key west trying to discredit my situation. some have went as far as to say im the only one having problems with these people. Below is a website i just found

markkohl.com

Mark Kohl, State's Attorney of Monroe County, Florida

This site will be all about Mark Kohl, revealing to the public for the first time, that he is a liar when it comes to his campaign promises, and that he is also a crook. Further, he accepts and approves of illegal and criminal conduct by his staff in order to win cases he has begun without any legal basis, for the sole purpose of helping out his bubba buddies.

The full details will be available on this site shortly.


Watch this site as it develops.
In addition, the man is a moron. He has been in office for over three years and doesn't even have a single web page. If you knew what he looked like, you would probably understand why there are no pictures of him anywhere. He hasn't even registered his name as a domain. How smart can this alleged protector of the public be?
Actually, this is the only picture I could find of him. I think it speaks for itself.


( TO SEE PICTURE GO TO WWW.MARKKOHL.COM)


Okay, I was being nice, just having this site go to the keywestscamclub.com site as I did not want to divert attention from the most important thing, the scamclub.

However, times have changed. It is obvious now that Mark Kolh needs to be exposed as the crook and incompetent that he is, together with the morons that make up the Key West Police Department. I didn't have much to say about them before, but recent events have shown how totally incompetent they are. They just don't have a freaking clue unless the criminal is so stupid as to hand them the case. When it comes to patrols or protecting the citizens of Key West, forget about it. They are nowhere to be found. They do not respond to calls. If you are not polite enough, 911 just ignores you. I will post details shortly, but you can be sure that they are not going to protect you or your property because they are just totally incompetent and lazy ass morons.

They are so stupid they don't even know how to do a Terry Stop.

More shortly, I am just so pissed that I am putting this most basic page up right now. I will work on it later and let you all know what kinds of crooks and morons we have in this town supposed enforcing the law.

Stay tuned.

WOW I GUESS IM NOT THE ONLY PERSON HAVING A PROBLEM AFTER ALL.
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Florida brokers and auctioneers all have said illegal/unethical

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

More brokers respond- 100% say illegal
Below is some copys of emails i got responding to my situation. All the brokers here are from florida and are saddened "one bad apple can spoil a bunch"



Robert,
You can go to the Florida Business and Professional Regulation website and get all the answers which you pose.
http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=Ch0326/titl0326.htm&StatuteYear=2006&Title=->2006->Chapter%20326
You may NOT sell any boat for a commission above 30 or 32 feet in length in the state of Florida if you are not licensed as a salesman under a broker for two years.

In addition, the broker of record is responsible for the escrow account, not the salesman. You cannot have any comingling of funds at all. The state laws are crystal clear on that and have been enforced on a regular basis.All funds have to be deposited into the broker's company account.

I hope that this helped answer your questions.




PETER SCHIMDT IS THE BROKER OF RECORD AT UNITED YACHT SALES



Good Day Robert,

I am sorry that you had such an awful experience because we are not all bad, and unfortunately it only takes one bad apple to spoil the whole bunch.

Good luck with your efforts.



I TRULY BELIEVE THERE ARE GREAT BROKERS OUT THERE AND THIS STATEMENT SAYS IT ALL "IT ONLY TAKES ONE BAD APPLE TO SPOIL THE WHOLE BUNCH"




Hi Robert,



It looks like you had a lot of problems with documentation. The marina lease, the listing agreement between you and the broker, etc. If it isnt in writing it is difficult to say who is right. As for the marina taking your boat, that kind of thing is usually called Theft of Property. But that is just my opinion, Im not a lawyer. Side deals are usually considered unethical and in many cases illegal. It just depends on what documents were signed. Unfortunately I cant really say much about the buyers commission refund because I dont know what documents he signed. Naturally, the situation you described sounds illegal/unethical.



All of which is to say, this is a good example of why a buyer and a seller both need a reliable company to broker their deal.


Good Luck




These are just a few of many samples ive gotten. Many brokers and auctioneers have called and not only amazed but disgusted. This case doesnt take a rocket scientist as the above comment said 'the law is crystal clear'


Robert
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State of florida on record saying taking of yacht was illegal/theft

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

The reason these individuals are on line falsifying information is because they are liars and thieves. the state agency that handles the statute 328.17 which these people tried to use to steal my yacht say its illegal/theft under the statute to go take the yacht to begin with. it also shows mark kohl as a state attorney didnt do his job. below is a copy of the response i got about the taking of yacht under state statute 328.17 from the group who is responsible for the nonjudicial sale and registering of the state lien statute.




From:
Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 5:27 PM
To: \DeeDee
Subject: as per our conversation statute 328.17


Hi DeeDee I spoke to you earlier about the state statute 328.17. I couldnt remember if i gave you my e mail address or not it is (((ROR removed because of security purposes))) As per our conversation it is my understanding as a marina if you try and use the statute 328.17 you must hold and be in possession at all times.

If the boat you are claiming owes you money leaves for any reason you cannot claim the statute and do a non judicial sale correct? At that point as a marina I would have a civil matter claiming back rent owed? And as you mentioned if the vessel leaves for any reason we as a marina would not be able to go get it and bring it back to our possession under the statute because that would be theft correct?

So to sum it up as a marina I would need to hold vessel there to claim statute then follow guidelines to do a non judicial sale? if not we cannot go get yacht then bring it back and sell it under the statute. Thanks again and please let me know if the above is a correct assessment of the law.

Robert

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i almost forgot would we be able to go take yacht and bring back to our possession if we notify him first by mail(before boat leaves marina) we are claiming the statute 328.17 then he leaves after getting notice?

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You are correct in all that you stated. I apologize for not emailing you yesterday like I said that I would. The only thing is the P.S. is incorrect. If the boat leaves your possession for any reason, that then becomes a civil matter and you would have to get a court to say that you can go get the vessel. Please let me know if you have any further questions.


Dee Dee Holley
Operations and Management Consultant
Division of Motor Vehicles
2900 Apalachee Pkwy.
Tallahassee, FL 32399
Ph 8506173001


doesnt take a rocket scientist to see theft was commited. now these individuals mr dan i work for the state of florida state parks is about to pay for their criminal acts.

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#25 Consumer Comment

Dan is mad hes been exposed as a liar

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

In dans other posts he claimed to work for the state of florida at Bahia honda park. He also claimed to work for strike zone harters in big pine key. well dan you dont work for either place. if you go to ripoffreport and search robert krutko (dans bs post) you will see he is a liar. so are his other friends posting on here. The gentleman who runs floridas state parks will verify there is no dan at bahia honda which is falsely claiming to work for a state agency. john reynolds can be reached at john.w.reynolds@dep.state.fl.us you can also e mail the owner of strike zone charters at strizone@aol.com her name is gail. Dan is one of the individuals involved in the crime and these other fake names are his and friends of his. he wants you to believe im lying and you will clearly see who the liar is. below is his false employment check it out yourself.

I will second these facts. I know the liar well.
I am a dive charter Captain, employed by Bahia Honda State Park and Strike Zone Charters, Big Pine Key, FL. I have lived in the Keys all my life and have always worked in the industry of fishing and diving charters. I am very familiar with all local dive businesses and the individuals running them.

now you know who the liar is. as far as money owed he makes more sh$# up that you could immagine. I was there exactily 12 months idiot if no rent was paid 12 x 3 = 36,000 -but of course you have a complete other story. if your going to get on line and falsify who you work for it shows what a coward and liar you are. be a man and tell us who you really are. he tries adding all kind of stuff to this story thats false. the yacht value as ive said is 160-200k. again im not going to defend the facts when a coward cant even tell us who he really is. ive verified for sure he is not a captain with either of the companys hes listed but im sure he will have another false story soon. As far as the lady saying she is in the broker industry anyone knows that is false because if she was theres only one agency who regulates and investigates complaints against broker licenses she would know that.
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#26 Consumer Comment

I feel dumber after reading Robert's stories.

AUTHOR: Dan - (U.S.A.)

Apparently this has to be explained in it's simplest of terms.

Robert, look at where I am from. I read Key West and Monroe County message boards regularly. When you post so many complaints in the topic of my hometown, it is very likely I am going to respond to more than one of them, especially if I am familiar with the topic and when I know you are lying. After all, there ARE dozens of diatribes you've written, all of which say the same thing. Understand now? Probably not.

As for the 20 months deal. That was based on a very simple mathmatical equation. You stated the dock fees were $3000/month. You then stated the hotel claims you owe $60,000. Based on that limited information, the answer would be 20 months. Let me break that down for you. 60,000 divided by 3,000 equals 20. If that is not correct, perhaps you should tell a complete and correct story.

Since these two concepts are so hard for Robert to understand, who could expect him to understand the legal system?
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#27 Author of original report

The truth hurts

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

Again dan the florida keys bubba has no idea what hes talking about. hes answered several other posts ive had posted and uses several different names. As ive said from the get go show me a lease where i own 20 months dan? Of course that wont happen. Also show me a law where you can VERBALLY say someone owes you money ( no lease-nothing) and you can go take their property dan? that wont happen.


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#28 Consumer Comment

Sounds Like Mark Kohl Was Right

AUTHOR: Dan - (U.S.A.)

Hotel claims $60,000 in arrears. You said fees were 3000/month. That means you went 20 months without paying dockage fees.

What's the problem?

Mark Kohl (State's Attorney's Office) didn't ignore Grand Theft because there was no Theft.

What happens when you don't make car payments? It gets repo'd. What happens when you don't pay rent? You get evicted. What happens when you leave a boat tied to someone else's dock for 20 months without paying the dock fees? You lose your boat. The only lesson to be learned here is that the author should have paid his dock fees.

This is a Civil dispute, not Grand Theft.
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#29 Consumer Comment

Lots of falsehoods in the stories

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

He claimed he paid $17K for a boat valued between $100K-$200K, depending on which version you go with.

The boat never had a clear title. That's probably the only truth in any of the stories.

Without a clear title, no car, boat, or plane acn be legally bought. Your clue that the title is clear of any liens, is the fact that it is in front of you with no liens against it.

The OP tried pulling a scam, and it backfired on him. He wanted to buy something for a fraction of it's value, thinking he was going to make out like a fat rat. Instead, his greed got the best of him.

But yeah...he has nearly a dozen versions of this same tale, and none of them are the same.

That's what we call a "CLUE".
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#30 Consumer Comment

Liar Exposed

AUTHOR: Michael - (U.S.A.)

I wouldn't say this story is embellished. I would call it an outright lie. This is not the first time I've seen this complaint. In fact, he wrote 7 reports on this website alone. On another website, the moderators banned him.

The more you read the complaints, the more you pick up on the lies. In another report, he claimed the police did nothing because he wasn't a local. Yet, in this complaint, he said he had a canal home on Cudjoe Key. The boat value has changed over and over.

I am also familiar with the newspaper this complainant keeps referring to. Key West The Newspaper is not the paper of Key West. It is a free paper printed every Friday that rarely reports complete stories.

AS Myth Busters would say, "This myth is busted!"
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#31 Consumer Comment

Anger Has Shown

AUTHOR: Ashley - (U.S.A.)

Your response to Mike's advise shows why you are in the situation you are in.

I have now counted 5 reports you wrote on this website alone. Why do you feel you need to write more than one report?

Police reports have proven that you refused to cooperate with police during the investigation which led to their dropping the case. There are only a few cases where Police are required to assist uncooperative victims. Domestic Violence would be one. Theft is not one.

You only put yourself in this situation. Another point I have to agree with Mike on is this. If you have spoken to so many lawyers, one of them should have told you that all these internet postings will kill your case. There are numerous inconsistencies on every website you posted on.

I know you will not accept this criticism, but the embellished internet postings need to stop if you have any hope of winning your civil case.
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#32 Author of original report

mike you might want to try reading they story first before commenting

AUTHOR: Robert - (U.S.A.)

The law clearly states you cannot go take someones property without court paperwork allowing you to do so. As far as did they have a right to sell it if you would have read the news story provided here that run front page of the key west newspaper, you could see the answer is clearly NO. If they had the right to take or sell it do you think the coast guard documentation center the people who oversee this documented vessel would have stopped it?. do you think the hotel would have quickly given this man his money back if they were within the law? As far as the buyer is concerned again if you would have read the newspaper story provided, you would have seen he says he is still out thousands of dollars and is getting ready to sue. And again if you would have read the story you would see my attorneys did file a federal theft lawsuit in federal court miami. As far as civil matter and getting boat the police wouldnt allow us to touch it and the hotel told my employee if he got near it again they would have him arrested for trespassing.
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#33 Consumer Suggestion

Complicated situation, simple answer.

AUTHOR: Mike - (U.S.A.)

You need to sue the hotel for the value of your boat and/or it's return to you. There are a few legal questions that will have to be decided by a judge.

First, obviously, did the hotel have the right to take your boat? If they did, you're grasping at straws debating the credentials and actions of their "repo man," or calling the incident a "theft." If the hotel had a legal right to take the boat, the judge won't care too much about that.

Second, after they took the boat, did they have the right to sell it? Usually in this situation the law required them to give the owner notice and some time to resolve the debt. At that time, since you disputed the amount of the debt, (you claim it was zero) you could've sued the hotel over that issue and obtained an injunction to delay the sale of the boat until after the trial.

Next, after selling the boat, they would've had to account for the money. But your case didn't get that far because they reversed the sale. Since the buyer got his money back, he is out of hte picture entirely now.

So if you've really talked to 20 lawyere about this, at least one of them should be willing to sue the hotel.

Also when you found the boat had been taken to the hotel and chained up, the police said it was a "civil matter". Then you should have asked the officer the follow up question: "So it'll be OK with you if I were to cut the chain and take my boat out of here then?"
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