Melaleuca as a business Not for business builders Internet

The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool. 
Richard P. Feynman 

You could be right. If this company does restraint and limit any real marketing strategies that work, how much do you charge to advise on legal ways to promote this Melaleuca effectively? 

You keep asking what company Im with? Im not with any company. I own a firm with 120 employees that I pay. That count on me being the successful person that I am. My master degree allowed me to have the right to walk in to any bank and on my signature get a million dollar loan. I still have that priveleg today yet I am debt free. I have been hired by your company leaders to teach people like you that can only write their selling of their scheem and it is where I met the several men who I allowed to buy in and take a small percentage of my company. It is not a MLM as yours is. Keep recruiting because from the reports I look over and advise my Melaleuca partners of my conventional business as is my profession, the majority of the people that get in to Melaleuca dye our in 90 to 120 days. as all groups. The distortion you mention is that as a Melaleuca marketing associate that literally drops out, Melaleuca keeps them in the system but not as Marketing associates. You are out of our league fellow. Why dont you go dust off some of your literature in your garage or closet. I have semi trucks pulling in to my building to picj up crates of machinery while you are attempting to play mlmr with me. By the way a very successful Melaleuca top builder that has been with your company for over 15 years will be coming to my office next week so that I can consult him on his business. Good luck fellow.

I asked you what company you're with and you can't even tell me, why is that???? 

From a business prospective, if you knew you could shop for environmentally responsible safer, green, eco-friendly non-grocery, non-discretionary consumables products from Melaleuca at the same prices as the grocery store who's manufacturers are P&G, Unilever, Colgate/Palmolive, J&J, then doesn't it make "business sense" that you'd stop buying brands from P&G, Unilever, Colgate/Palmolive, J&J???? Why would you continue to give your money to those guys when in fact they really don't manufacturer products that exciting, Why on earth would you continue to do that????

And if you open 8 shopping accounts, then you'd actually get your non-discretionary consumables for FREE!!!  

So purely from a business prospective, why would you keep going to your local grocery store and buy from the big 4 multi-nationals?????? 

Again, Jane, please tell me what company you are with????? Why are you afraid to tell me??? What are you  hiding?

The continuence of hiding the truth. Its what all who cannot show all of their cards do. You are definatelly a good conn man and twist all of the facts. Two of my partners (Top Melaleuca buildiers all time) took a look at what you wrotte and it is hillarius. I really feel bad about the people that you conn in to the Melaleuca business. If you only had 10% of the people in the smallest of my partners Melaleuca business you wuld be an extremely happy guy. Good luck and I dont believe you are braiwashed, you are a conn man. Tou have twiested everything you have mentioned to make you sound politically acceptable, however you know very well what you are twisting and doing well enough to represent the Obama campaign. LOL good luck. 

Oh, the value or career pack, well Jane as you know those are one time purchases if the business builder wants to build and earn 31% more in advancement bonuses, If a Melaleuca business partner moves through the director ranks to senior director, the advancement bonuses total $5,500 if you build more slowly and over $13,500 if you build more quickly. The minimum the business partner would need to make an investment of $199 (one time investment) in order to receive the advancement bonuses. Now, does it make sense that if you build a Melaleuca business that a ONE TIME investment of $199 on a value pack which brings over 30 of Melaleuca's best products into the business partners home to earn a minimum $5,500 in advancement bonues, please do the math, this is a ONE TIME purchase. What does your company have as far as investment? Please tell me??????? And please tell me the company your are with sells products that the consumer is already shopping for and therefore NOT a new expense????

Jane, now, dear, you really are digging yourself in a grave here, because Melaleuca does NOT pay any commission's above 150 product points, which is about oh $300/month. So if a shopper shops for more than $150 product points per month, than the person who opened their shopping account and referred them to Melaleuca will NOT receive any commisions above 150 product points per month. So I'm not sure where you get your $700 month figure. Please tell me what business you can own and  shop for 35 product points which is about $60-$70/month and have on-going commissions and build up to a senior director. Please tell me how Beverly & Michael Erbeck, directors VIII received a check in May for $8,742.54 and can shop for 35 product points at $60-$70/month and get that kind of check and are able to write that 35 product point order off on their taxes because it's a business expense? 

Again, Melaleuca does not pay and marketing executive any commissions who's customer shops for more than 150 product points. My 75 product point order is $141. 27 for this month in August, 2012 and tell me how one can do that and make over $11, 000 per month? I'm not paying $700. 

And please tell me how Tim & Ronda Campbell who opened their shopping account in April 2011 and in 9 months earned $205,000 by just hard work???? Melaleuca is a 27 year old manufacturer, so I would hardly call Tim & Ronda's entrance into Melaleuca in 2011 a "ground floor opportunity" because it's not. I just is hard hard hard work. 

A word of advice, before you debate me, please know your facts, because you clearly don't. Oh, how's Max Intl going for you? Since I'm sure that is the company you are not with, whom by the way doesn't even make their own products that you are selling as a distributor. 

Oh Boy, The more you self edification nuts post the more you do yourself harm. Melaleuca is a MLM. I have coached some of your top leaders on how to build. As far as an education yours does not even come close to mine. MLM is not just companies who buy products from other companies as Amway the largest is proof of that. You get around telling people its not a MLM because of your Grid type placement. However Melaleuca is a multilevel Marketing company. As far as products you get a payment on all of the product volume that is purchased in your DOWNLINE and bonuses on starting people with the packs which is extremely pushed on people up to a ridiculous one now up to $700.00 Same as many MLM companies in the past. Not for selling the product but for recruiting and encouraging a revenue volume. You really think you are dealing with an amateur. You cannot compare Melaleuca with conventional stores because first, they blow Melaleuca away in revenue. They do not force their customers to purchase a monthly amount since they are not a MLM everyone receives the same price. I have a company that you only wish you had. As I mentioned several of your top leaders, did you miss that part? Are partners of my firm. These are people who are earning millions with Melaleuca and they and I know how they did it. They also have other businesses besides being my partners and aside from Melaleuca and are not brainwashed but they get a laugh at comments as yours. So please go tell your brainwashing to your new recruits who do not know better. You are out of your league, even with your so called education. Good luck and there are camps out there who will treat you for your brainwashing.

Jane, when you debate me on the issues and the numbers and the figures I have written in my previous post, rather than run your month (or your fingers) with a bunch of rhetoric, then we can go head on. Since you seem to call "marketing associates" DISTRIBUTORS, what exactly are we distributing if I just open shopping accounts for consumers to shop direct from the manufacturer (Melaleuca) PLEASE tell me what I distribute? 

MLM is called mult-level marketing. Can you explain to me how Melaleuca's business model would fit into that category?

MLM is explained as, you have a company that opens shop (opens for business) and gets their products from a manufacturer that is not in any way associated with the MLM company, and that manufacturer makes products to SELL to the MLM company for a PROFIT, and then the MLM company marks up that same product again and sells it to the distributor for a PROFIT, and the distributor has fixed price increase (determined by the MLM company)  that is again marked up to sell to the end user, the consumer for a PROFIT. So you've just had 4 HUGE price increases before it reaches the end user being the customer,  that it can't authentically compete in the market place for real market share. And in all those MLM companies, their products cause the consumer to spend new money, therefore a new expense. Now, how can they authentically compete? Oh, in all those companies that do this, they want you to buy lots and lots and lots of products (called volume overload) to sit in the garages because no one buys them. HOW STUPID is that?

Take for instance the Goji juice companies at $35 a bottle, (which is just water with a little sugar and food coloring added) and stand that next to the oh, a bottle of Welch's grape juice at $3 a bottle, what do you think the consumer is going to choose? The Gogi juice companies want you to buy TWO or THREE cases of juice that sits around that no one wants. That's how they pay the "higher" people who "get in" on the ground floor opportunity. 

Now, I'm really going to say something here that is going to shock the ______ out of you. I had the Melaleuca products and business model studied by a Professor with a PhD in business, economics & finance, at the business school of my State University from the west coast.  And they concluded that Melaleuca has a real business because we have real products that the consumer is already buying out there in the market place and we have a real business model that competes with the grocery stores, P&G, Unilever, Colgate/Palmolive, Johnson & Johnson. In fact, P&G has 24 brands that do $1 BILLION EACH in sales per year and Melaleuca has an answer to 21 of those brands and we just hit $1.037 BILLION in 2011. So tell me that Melaleuca as a company doesn't have room to grow? Or if the true builder doesn't have room to built a real check?

For $29 membership and $14 a year renewal Melaleuca (Costco's is $55/year)  is is going to become a major powerhouse in consumer goods across the world. And of course you know Frank Vandersloot sits on the board of the United States chamber of commerce in Washington DC and was recently asked to be the chairman of that board. I hardly think that one would not get to that level in life in someone is not doing something right. 

Even yourself, you say "Melaleuca is a good product company, that's it" The last question I have for you JANE ELIZABETH  is, if you just go show the business model to 8 people and open their shopping account and become a director and have ongoing residual income of $120 for just maintaining 8 customers each month, which will pay for the non-discretionary consumable's you're already using, why would you shop for brands and products made by P&G, Unilever, Colgate/Palmolive, Johnson & Johnson? Those companies have shareholders and it's all about the bottom line in those companies and they would gladly take your money. Why would you participate in that shopping and consumer experience? 

Remember, Whole Foods did $9.6 BILLION in sales and Trader Joe's did $8.5 BILLION in sales in 2011, so someone is buying "green"

Also, going back to Melaleuca's top people you are building  a business with. Wouldn't that company be MAX International?? Who's marketing executives Loraine Agren, Natalie Foeller, Gwendolyn & Ledell Miles, Suzanne & Craig Cooper were raided by MAX INTL? 

Please inform me the marketing limit's Melaleuca puts on it's people as you state?  Also, if you say you have built large business's to which I will never each, then I'm assuming you have been involved with several MLM's in recent past only to have those companies falter or fold up and that's why you move to the next company bringing a "large following"  Only dumb people do that!

In short, the reason why MLM's don't work is because there is a large "buy in" just to get to the compensation plan. The products aren't real, they cause the consumer to buy something which they are not already buying. The MLM's require you to buy large inventories, and to keep buying large inventories. For instance, if your "quota" is $5,000 for the month just to maintain "status" and on the last day of the month your volume is $4,800, then you simply call (by midnight I might add) the MLM company yourself and buy the remainder VOLUME yourself getting you to the $5,000 requirement to get your check from the MLM company.

You see, Jane Elizabeth, I am way smarter than you and I have studied business, economics, finance and specifically how those relate to Melaleuca. The shopper always wins buy selecting and shopping with our brand, and the "business builder" wins by putting in TIME & EFFORT, not money to build a business.

Sweet heart, I am in business with several of your top Melaleuca leaders. Not in Melaleuca. Also I have built very large usinesses like yours to levels that you probably will never attain. Melaleuca is an MLM company. The top distributors in Melaleuca know it and the reason they attempt to stay away from that word is because of the negative that the word has created through the years. You can writte what ever you want to fool all of those that you feel you have to, however sweetheart the truth is the truth. Melaleuca is an MLM company and there is no way around that. Melaleuca is a good product company, thats it. The vast amount of people are not successful in your business honey, and because of the marketing limts the company puts on its DISTRIBUTORS (Marketing associates) and that is a fact. Your company also makes all Marketing associates, buy every month even if they have no one UNDER them or their so called business will be discontinued, droped to a shopper status only. Melaleuca is an MLM. The freinds of mine who are in conventional business with me, meaning successfully went and together we got a loan from a bank and are thriving even though they are millionares in the Melaleuca business, not because they did it like you teach your (DOWNLINE) to do as few do. They are some of the top most recognised distributors in your business that you sherish and promote and listen to. Sweetheart good luck to all of the swaying of the mind to hyde what it is. Enter the words Melaleuca in Google and just sit back and read. You have allot of writting to do to answer all of the negative that this company has brought upon itself by allowing some of the top builders do it their way. That shall continue. Good luck Sweetheart. Just find yourself 12 good people that recognise it for what it is and run with it. You will not have to spend time defending it on the internet because all you need is about 12 to 14 who will show it 20 to 30 times per month consistently and take the bull by the horn. They will decide its their business, and build the depth to reach the high numbers. 90% of thoose that will get in will never reach any success. The sooner you see your business for what it is, the sooner you will go out and find these 12 to 14 and build it. Business is business sweetheart. You cant run a burger joint thinking or telling people you own a electornics store. Good luck.

What makes you think Melaleuca has distributors? Each shopper has their own shopping account and shops directly from the manufacturer (Melaleuca) for their own personal use. Every shopper pays the same price. So if you shop and select products for you to go out and sell to your friends, they what do you mark the product up too? there is only one price and so what would you decide in your mind that you'd charge for reselling? This is not Melaleuca's business philosophy. We are NOT resellers.

Each product pricing is comparable to the products you already shop for in the grocerty store. So for instance, you shop for tooh polish (toothpaste) and you pay $3.89, that price is a reasonable price for execptional products. Please tell me how Whole Foods did $9.6 BILLION and Trader Joe's did $8.5 BILLION in sales in 2011. That's $18 BILLION in "green products" so someone is buying "green" and I know for a fact that toothpaste at Whole Foods is much more than $3.89.

Take Renew lotion for example, it's $9.99 for 8oz and if you go and buy Eucerin at your local drug store, the cost is $9.99 for ONLY 4oz. So now you tell me who's winning here. And if you did your scientific research on Renew, you'd know we have the formulation correct were as Eucerin does NOT.  If you shop for Sustain sport at $10.99 for 20 packets and you go and buy a 16oz bottle of vitamin water or Gaterate at $1.00 or Vitamin water at $1.25.

You tell me if you buy 20 bottles of Gaterate at $1.00 that's $20 compared to Sustain Sport at 20 packets for $10.99. Do you the math, who is getting a better VALUE? If you go to Starbucks and buy VIA Refreshers Very Berry Hibiscus drink mix at 5 packets for $5.99 or Melaleuca's Splash H2O at $3.99 for 5 packets which makes more drink, who is getting the better value???? You see, we do compete in the real market place for real products that real people use every day.

Take, Dove soap, at $3.47 for 2 bars and our bars at $3.99 last for longer than 3 bars of Dove soap (yes, it was tested for lasting power as well) So who is winning here?

Lets talk about the access bar which has a patent by the way, the only fat conversion energy bar on the market. 10 bars for $14.99 so that's $1.50 per bar, is that unreasonable compared to getting a high quality bar at a local fitness place or your local gym? Those bar at the gyms and fitness stores I can assure you are more than $1.50 a bar. The access bar is what made me decide to built a Melaleuca businss. It was the taste and the effect is has on losing weight. for $1.50 a bar!

The reason why we promote director in Melaleuca so much is because directors are the name of the game financially speaking. If you open 8 shopping accounts and reach director, you'll get a first check of about $500 if you do that in one month. If you maintain or open 2-4 shopping accounts each month and maintain your director status, you'll have on-going comission income of about $150 per month which will pay for your 35-75 product point order. So again, since we bring VALUE at reasonable prices, who do you think is winning here. the CONSUMER! Now if you're going build this business, who are you going to talk to, or who are you not going to talk too?

In addition, you have the ability to write off your $60-$70 per month Melaleuca shopping expense with the IRS every year if you open shopping accounts even if it's a few a month. I don't know any business where you can use real consumalbe products (toothpaste, mouthwash, dental floss, deoderant, shampoo, laundry det. fabric softener, home cleaning products, cookies, crackers, cereal, oatmeal, energy drinks and energy bars)  and have the ability to write the expense off in your taxes, do you?

In the June leadership in action, there was a Melaleuca shopper that's building a Melaleuca business and earned a check for over $8,000 that month. You tell me what business you can own and have the ability to have an $8,000 check and only have a business expense of $70 in consumer shopping (remember your shopping) and then have the ability to even write that expense off in your taxes. There isn't another business like Melaleuca and there never will be.

Since Melaleuca is not an MLM, let me clue you in about MLM's MLM's is a way to move money from the bottom (when distributors buy large quantities of products just to even get a chance to get to the higher levels of the compensation plan) to the top distributors. In Melaleuca there is no "buy in" all you have to do is open a shopping account, for heavens sake, Costco has 44 million shoppers who are members and they're certainly doing more business per month than Melaleuca.

So PLEASE STOP with your non-sense, you either are going to build a Melaluca business or you're NOT and don't fault anyone but you for not trying. I have been a loyal shopper for 5 years before I started building. I can see the businss model of Melaleuca because I have studied businss, economics and finance in college. I make the calls and I get appointments and I get NO's, so what, move on. It takes time, NOT money to build a Melaleuca business. If this is not for you, then stop whining and move on. You haven't hurt anyone in this business because there is no "buy in" to get to the compensation plan.

If you take a look at both these rebuttals to this information, there is something that you should notice, These are two who are in the Melaleuca business and who do not want anything else but how wonderful it is to be in business with Melaleuca. Melaleuca does have very good product. We agree on that point. Melaleuca has the absolute worst marketing for anyone to build their business. The reason I know this is because I have built very large organizations for and was attracted by Melaleuca.

As a company they are without blemish. Facts that cant be ignored are that the top distributor in Melaleuca slid over thousands of people from other MLM companies that he had built and this has occurred with many of them. Melaleuca makes a person commit to buy every month, even if that person has no commissions coming or has no one that they have recruited. Procter and Gamble does not do that. The title that they throw out director, is absolutely useless because there is no money in it.

Facts are that Melaleuca had to reduce the amount of points that was required to purchase monthly once a person attained the director level because the vast majority were purposely missing it so that they would not have to buy an additional $50.00 in products per month. The fact that the vast majority of distributors are forced to get in with the packs that exceed 100.00 to 700.00 is because the majority of people who get in never get anything going and those who hit director soon pull their foot of the pedal because they see how much it does not grow.

Instead of real leaders that would let people get involved with the 30.00 and they go to work under them and then the volume would build from the proof they push the heavy volume because there is an incentive to do this and they themselves know that the vat majority who get in will never do anything especially with the antiquated mlm approach that the company promotes without option. Again, the company and the products are very good. Business is not good.  Do a search on any company, if there is allot of negative written, its for a reason.

Elizabeth, I'm not sure if you made up your facts or where you got them, but they are absolutely not valid.  I'm a RN by education, and my husband and I've built our business with Melaleuca for 10 years. We build, support, and mentor on and offline.  Like everyone I know personally in Melaleuca, we did NOT bring over any "downlines" as you say, and we're Executive Directors.  Infact, I don't know of anyone here that jumped in status with bring over their "downline" as you say.  

See, when people see no new out of pocket monthly costs, absolute savings to their monthly household budget, and making their homes safer, most will "get it".... In this world of MRSA and toxicity, most also know tea tree oil.   Being a Nurse and a MOM, I LOVE the fact that I no longer have to bring toxic cleaners like Formula 409 that the MSDS lists as carcinogenic (cancer causing) into my home.  We all have that choice....  

Again, a mis-statement you've made just isn't true.... Tim and I've built a substantial organization of happy preferred customers.... and most of our directors keep right on advancing!  That's what teamwork and mentoring is all about...

I think telling the truth is always the best thing to do, don't you?

Wishing you the best!!  God bless!    Linda/RN

Proctor & Gamble $82.6 Billion sales (2011), Unilever Bros $61.6 Billion sales (2011), Johnson & Johnson $61.5 Billion sales (2011), Colgate Palmolive $15.5 Billion sales (2011) we shall refer to these companies as the 4 multi-nationals. These 4 multi-nationals manufactured $220 Billion dollars in the U.S. alone in 2011 and they put their products in the grocery stores, with Wal-Mart being the largest BOX retailer in the world and also your local grocery stores in that you shop from at in your local community.  So, in order for the manufacturer to get their products in the grocery stores for consumers to shop and buy for their necessity needs there is a percentage mark-up to pay for TV advertising (TV advertising is not cheap) and of course they have to pay for the semi truck drivers to haul those consumables to the grocery stores for distribution, and of couse the grocery stores have stock boys (they have to pay the workers) who stock the shelves in the grocery stores so that when we shop and take the product of our choice off the grocery store shelve, and of course the grocery store chains have to pay rent on the big giant box that we go shop from (pay rent on the big box store places is not cheap), and finally the grocery store outlets need to also make a profit. So that is what we call "middle men expenditures.

So, let me all ask you what percentage of the products are marked up from the manufacturer till it reaches the grocery store shelf to pay for all of that middle men expenditures? 63% 63% 63% 63%. I hope this is all making sense to you, who want to critisize Melaleuca. You just in your statement said So since Melaleuca doesn't pay for any of those middle men expenditures, and there is a documented 95% consumer re-order rate month to month,(you even said Melaleuca makes great products)  then what does Melaleuca do with that middle men profit margin since they are not paying for advertising, long haul truck drivers to move consumables from Proctor & Gambles manufacturing plants to the grocery store chain, stock boys, giant grocery store box rents each month. They pass the middle men markup to the shoppers who refer other shoppers to shop directly from Melaleuca for the same products that are in the grocery stores.

I'm a little puzzled at how someone would make the statement that Melaleuca is an MLM since Melaleuca is a consumer product manufacturer and not a re-seller. The consumer shops directly from the Manufacturer (Melaleuca) where the middle men (the grocery store chain) is eliminated. I'm not sure in this business model where you get the idea that Melaleuca is an MLM???? No one is buying products from Melaleuca to re-sell to the end user (customer) And since each shopper who shops from Melaleuca is paying the same price for the same product at the next shopper (there is no price markup) how can that be construed as an MLM?

Melaleuca pays 51% back to the shoppers who refer other shoppers to shop. This business model was also done when netflix and redbox changed the game with blockbuster video, and blockbuster video was a $6 BILLION dollar business in 2004 and now it's bankrupt and Netflix did $3.3 BILLION in video rental sales in 2011 and Redbox did $1.5 BILLION in video rentals in 2011 as well. Do you know who the first BIG BOX outlet that was the first company to go out of business because of this "game changing" business model that is going to revolutionize how business is going to be done? CIRCUT CITY was the first BIG BOX to file bankruptcy. This is going to be the new way of doing businss and for all those who critisize Melaleuca, I would pay attention to what's happening in the business community and the world of business at large.

Now, one last final concept. Costco is a wholesaler who has 44 million members in the US alone and each member shops in their BIG BOX grocery outlets for a minimum of $100/month and that adds up to $4.4 BILLION dollars going through Costco's bank account each month and Costco has no intention of sharing their profits with the consumer who shops at their BIG BOX stores now do they? Again, I'm a little puzzed at American's who continue to give their money to the BIG corporate giants when those companies are just like all other corporations who want to continue to screw you over. And we have a company like Melaleuca who wants to help the little guy. You tell me what business you can own and have the ability to shop for smoke'n HOT science based consumables for $60-$70 a month and have the ability to make $4, $5, $6 thousand dollars a month and then be allowd  to write off your monthly shopping with IRS because it's considered a business expense? There is no other company like Melaleuca

Now, since Melaleuca shop direct from the manufacturer (melaleuca is the manufacturer NOT the re-seller), each member who shops from Melaleuca pays the same price for the consumables as the next guy, so I would hardly call this businss model Melaleuca has an MLM. There certainly are no multiple levels of distribution since the consumer is shopper direct from the manufacturer.

Lastly, this is going to be the shopping of the future, and if I were the CEO of one of the 4 multi-national manufacturers I would be very worried about the future of my company and how they're going to get their products in the hands of the consumers, since I don't think they could create a business model Melaleuca has because I don't think the products manufactured by the 4 multi-nationals are exciting enough to have this kind of  business model, do you? And they have no way of compensating the shopper who already shops for their products.

So, now that you all have seen Melaleuca through my eyes, it is a Business, a real business and for all those critics out there, i'd be worried if I were you. Melaleuca is going to change the game in an industry and shopping concept that hasn't changed for the last 100 years. And coincidently, I am going to get rich and build lasting residual income to last me a lifetime. Now, I can't get excited about the consumables as an industry as a whole, but what I can get excited about is these products are in your household and everyone elses household, they are the consumables with repeat monthly business. I am laughing all the way to the bank as I am writing this, LOL