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  • Submitted: Tue, October 26, 2010
  • Updated: Fri, May 04, 2012

  • Reported By: Dean — Fayetteville Georgia United States of America
MileageShop.com
Prescott, Arizona United States of America

MileageShop.com - Hydro Fuel Generator, scammed, hho kits don't work, hydrogen kit scam, systems produce too much steam Prescott Arizona

*General Comment: A fayetteville guy!

*Consumer Suggestion: Hello

*Author of original report: Mileage Shop and Alternative Gas Solutions Alternative Gas Solutions mileageshop.com, Hydro Fuel Generator, scammed, hho kits don't work

*Consumer Suggestion: Hello Jeremy here

*Author of original report: Forgot to mention!

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Hydrogen Fuel Generator HHO kits don't work as advertised, no support, lifetime warranty no good.  Their generator makes too much steam and could damage engine and the generator cannot produce the volumes of HHO gas they claim w/o producing the excessive steam. Their solution is to add more water traps to pull off the excess steam, which is all up to the consumer. They had to redesign the system I have because they copied someone else's but not close enough. I lost a $7000 opportunity with my customer because the units could not produce as advertised and the excessive steam.  They do not have the thousands of customers they claim and they are losing more every day. Recently a distributor for them demonstrating a unit from Mileage Shop exploded, to date they have not resolved their issues.  They will not refund a sale under any circumstances, they simply ship a new unit that fails as miserably as the last, but its new so they have honored their warranty, but you still end up with a unit that will not perform to spec.  I have fought with my C/C company for 6 months and there is nothing they can do as long as they ship you replacement units, even if they don't work.  BUYER BEWARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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#1 General Comment

A fayetteville guy!

AUTHOR: Kevin - (USA)

Hey I would love to buy you a beer some time in exchange for getting a look at these devices and your experience with them.  I am well aware they are a scam but, mostly for my amusement, I would like to see if they do, in fact, actually send you a pretty packaged unit.

Kevin
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#2 Consumer Suggestion

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AUTHOR: MrHydroguy - (USA)

Yes sir I know all about the dispute between the black box and the hydrocell. I have been installing both systems for about 4 years now, as well as others. I am not saying mileage shops kit is the best I am saying that if you have proof that there cell does not do what they say it does, then you have recourse to sue for damages plus your money back on all costs that you incurred. Honestly from what I have seen is that both cells systems produce the same. I have installed black box and hydrocell and have got good results with both as well as bad results(MPG's). I don't speak for mileage shop or alternative gas solutions I simple have alot of experience with there product.

Who is the independent industry related company who tested your cell for you?

www.   ihhoi   .org   is the only place that I know of to get tested for 49.00.
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#3 Author of original report

Mileage Shop and Alternative Gas Solutions Alternative Gas Solutions mileageshop.com, Hydro Fuel Generator, scammed, hho kits don't work

AUTHOR: dporter - (USA)

Actually I manufactured my own systems which worked very effectively.  The only reason I attempted to change over to their design (which turns out not to have been their design but a poor knockoff) was to have the fully enclosed system.  The engineering behind Hydrogen fuel cells is not rocket science but unfortunately the Mileage shop failed to copy the real science behind the unit they copied.  If you look at the test results I provided you can see that the models they sold me simply do not perform.  I'm quite sure they have corrected their issues by now but at the time of my complaint they offered no solution to me as a customer and the same goes for all the other customers they lost at that time.  

I currently have the Original designed system (www.efficientvehiclesolutions.com) on my vehicles and they work great right out of the box (without boiling the solution to create enough hydrogen) to work, so no thanks I don't need your help to figure out why the Mileage Shop system doesn't work and no I would not pay extra to someone to make it work since you could never reach the advertise gas output w/o boiling.

Like I said, www.efficientvehiclesolutions.com works as advertised right out of the box at 13-15 amps max no need to boil water, LOL.

Legal action supports attorneys. I lost enough money dealing with Mileage Shop over many months, ever heard of the term "stop lose"?  Besides if I'm not mistaken there are lawsuits pending due to their patent infringements on the systems I purchased from them.  No of course you see on their site that they have their own patent pending, that was not the case a year ago.  You responded to a year old complaint :).

I am rather curious as to why you responded to a 1 year old complaint when there are sooooooo many newer complaints that prove they still should not be in business?
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#4 Consumer Suggestion

Hello Jeremy here

AUTHOR: MrHydroguy - (United States of America)

Hello I just wanted to ADD that you should have done more research before attempting to make something work that you have no clue how it works. These cells work very well and if yours didn't do what it was advertised to do then its your responsibility to take legal action against the party you think damaged you. I believe you probably didn't. Instead you came on here and complained about your own ignorance. If you live in the San Diego area bring your cell system to me and I will do 1 of 2 things either help you figure out what you did wrong free of charge or you can hire me to get it to work for you. Give me a call 619-929-9316 Jeremy Dukes
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#5 Author of original report

Forgot to mention!

AUTHOR: dporter - (USA)

I forgot to mention that I had these Mileage Shop / Alternative Gas Solutions HHO generators tested by an independent industry related company and the results are:

Time        H20 Temp Amps

Voltage HHO Output Output Time Liters Per Minute
Start 8:25

79             13.3   13.8       
        8:35

83             11.5   12       1 Liter 1 minute, 17 seconds

0.779220779
8:40

85 22.5  13.8 1 Liter 38 seconds 1.578947368 


Never increased from here.

Start 6:35

92 12.8

13.8 
6:48

93 24.4  13.8 1 Liter 38 seconds 1.578947368
7:10

116 24  13.8 1 Liter 34 seconds 1.764705882
8:15

136 21.5

13.8 1 Liter 38 seconds 1.578947368
10:30

162 15

13.8

  No increase and certainly never 3 lpm.

These units were sold to me as Big Rig / Semi models ant they were to produce 3 lpm at
18-20 amps.  Their installation manual states on page 2: It is very important that you do exactly what the instructions say, as these units are not toys and hydroxy gas has a very high energy content.  Also, and most importantly; The unit will not perform correctly and will damage your engine if you deviate from the installation specs at all.  

Running these units  over 20 amps and beyond to force the unit to produce all that steam to produce 1-2 lpm is in fact not following their instructions and will absolutely destroy a diesel truck engine.  The bottom line is their unit as designed as of the date of my purchase will not perform to spec without producing dangerous amounts of steam and even though this model has design flaws they will not replace it with their new design.  And it is still questionable whether or not the new design is any better - bottom line is you will not get adequate support on their products and absolutely no refunds!
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