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Complaint Review: Mission Hill Persian Cattery

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  • Submitted: Sat, May 26, 2012
  • Updated: Sat, November 17, 2012

  • Reported By: CFA Cattery Reviews — Banning California USA
Mission Hill Persian Cattery
? ?, British Columbia United States of America

Mission Hill Persian Cattery Munira Murrey Warning by buyer not to purchase from this breeder or cattery ?, British Columbia

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: JENNY FORST, LIAR AND KITTEN THIEF

*Consumer Comment: Munira Murrey's ongoing threats to her new customers

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: JENNY FORST & SAMANTHA COOK

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: STEVE - or do you mean Brian ??

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: TO Steve - whoever you are

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: TO Steve - whoever you are

*General Comment: More spare time for Jenny

*General Comment: THE TRUTH: Munira Murrey is A LIAR - read about it here

*General Comment: STEVE is a liar !

*General Comment: DO NOT believe the LIES written about Jenny Forst !! Read what other people have experienced at the hands of Munira Murrey

*Consumer Comment: TRUE ACCOUNT FROM AN EYE WITNESS TO REFUTE THE LIES AND FALSE ACCUSATIONS OF JENNY FORST AGAINST MUNIRA MURREY AND MISSION HILL PERSIANS

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: Don't believe the lies wriitten about Jenny Forst by Munira **** and people she has posting them

*General Comment: I, Steve is in no way a liar.

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: STEVE is is a liar !

*REBUTTAL Individual responds: THE TRUTH concerning the false allegations made by Munira Murrey on her website against Jenny Forst

*General Comment: Munira Murrey is lying about Jenny Forst

*General Comment: Do not believe Jenny on anything.

*General Comment: MUNIRA MURREY & MISSIONHILL PERSIANS HONEST BREEDER

*UPDATE Employee: MISSIONHILL CATTERY AND MUNIRA MURREY - OUTSTANDING CATTERY AND EXTREMELY HONEST BREEDER

*General Comment: Misshoinhill Persian and Munira Murrey/ coment about Jenny Forst and stolin kitten

*General Comment: In Praise of Munira Murrey

*REBUTTAL Owner of company: A Rebuttal to a Tall Tail

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WARNING !! to all breeders and cat lovers (BEWARE of breeder Munira Murrey of Mission Hill Persians, Kelowna)
26 Saturday May 2012

Posted by jennydodi in COMPLAINTS RE MISSION HILL PERSIANS AND MUNIRA MURREY
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2012_05_17 D* left eye. Corneal Ulcer (Herpes Virus) in left eye
May 25, 2012
It was brought to my attention recently that Munira Murrey, Breeder, Mission Hill Persians, Kelowna, recently posted a fabricated story of the events that occurred after I purchased two persian kittens from her on September 26, 2011.
I am posting this blog to set the record straight so others will not be taken in by this unscrupulous unethical and deceitful breeder. This is what really happened.

CIMG8624 Infected left eye (getting worse)


She agreed to sell me 2 persian kittens, one female silver chinchilla persian and one silver male himalyan persian. [continued below]....
..... I made arrangements to pick them up in Kelowna, but when I got to her home on Lakeshore, she informed me that she had already sold the gray male to a woman in Edmonton and was shipping him to Edmonton in the next couple of days. As if that wasnt bad enough, she then told me she decided to keep the white persian to breed her. She seemed to be all over the  globe and waffling about her decision and after a couple of hours, she changed her mind again. She said she would sell me the white persian for $1500 (a higher amount than was originally agreed). She talked us into taking an exotic male instead of the silver male she originally agreed to sell to me for $800. I reminded her she had already quoted me $700 for the silver male persian.
Munira Murrey put the kittens in the carrier and locked it. No one else handled the carrier and the only time I opened the carrier was when we got it home. As luck would have it, one of her other kittens that she has now posted in the article on her website - Treasure Trove  and who has water on the brain and also very sick, must have slipped into the kennel and hid in the back in the corner behind the other two persians so no one knew he was there until we got home.  We were so surprised to see him when we opened the crate to let the two we just purchased out to play.

While playing, the short-haired male exotic kitten she sold to me instead of the one she originally promised me, bite my sister who then had to be rushed to a Clinic to get a tetnus shot. We returned the short haired exotic to Ms. Murrey the same day and agreed to meet outside the Buckerfields store in Kelowna.  Incidentally, this short-haired exotic kitten also attacked the dogs we have in the family. At this point, I asked her for a refund, but she refused and drove off to Vancouver with her husband to deliver another persian to someone else, leaving me standing there after she took back the exotic short-haired kitten, but refused to refund the $700 I paid for him.

I then went to my bank and was successful in stopping payment on the cheque.  I had the opportunity to explain the situation to the bank manager and warned them this could get ugly. Moments later as I was leavng, she showed up at my home branch in Kelowna, grabbed me by the arm and pushed me back towards the counter where the tellers were and threatened me saying I couldnt leave until the cheque cleared. She obviously felt I had good reason to stop payment of the cheque in the first place to show up at my branch and make a scene as she did.

Because Im an honorable person, I agreed to cancel the stop payment and she was able to cash my cheque for $2200, even though the kitten she sold me was $1500. I was trusting her to come clean and deliver the second kitten, being the silver male she promised me for $700.

Contrary to what she wrote in the Mission Hill Persians website, I at no time asked for reward money as I was not aware of any reward being offered. If I wanted reward money for finding the lost kitten, why would I give her $2200 when she still owed me $700? Makes no sense.

That evening, Ms. Murrey called and told me she was sure the kitten had snuck into the kennel while she was putting the other two in the kennel, so not sure why she would offer a reward if she knew where the kitten was all along.  She went on to say that particular kitten was worth $5000 and yet she planned to sell him, knowing full well he may not live very long.
In spite of how angry this made me, I agreed to return him.  I felt this was a another perfect opportunity for her to honor her original agreement to sell me the silver male himalayan persian she originally promised me, but had sold to a woman in Edmonton.  She has had many opportunities to do the right thing, and still chose not to.

As for Ms. Murreys fabricated version of the events that took place over the course of those three days, she herself said the sick kitten likely crawled into the kennel while she was putting the other two kittens I had just purchased inside the carrier and admitted the same thing has happened to her on various occasions in the past where other kittens snuck into kennels with the kittens that were being picked up by the new owners.

She told me several stories while I was there, including how their home burned down during the fire storm and what was involved in saving the cats. Other stories that made my skin crawl of a woman who purchased a persian from her, but was forced to return it because the breeder made her life hell. I thought of this story later because I am now going through the same thing with this breeder. In fact, she tried to take back one of the kittens I purchased from her.

I was completely entitled to a refund after she took back the exotic and when I realized she didnt provide me with any type of guarantee that she was going to replace the exotic with something more suitable, I decided to put a stop payment on the cheque, which I later allowed to clear. I basically ended up with only one kitten, but paid her for two.

After much discussion, on the day I was leaving Kelowna, she finally agreed to contact the woman in Edmonton to explain she had originally promised the male silver himalyan to me. Fortunately, she had not shipped him to Edmonton. Any other honourable breeder would have just sold me the kitten they originally promised me, instead of leading me on a wild goose chase as she did. To date, she has demonstrated nothing but how ungrateful and unappreciative she is to us for finding the lost kitten and returning him safely to her.

Several witnesses and myself met in the parking lot of Tim Hortons to exchange kittens. As a precaution, I contacted the Kelowna RCMP to alert them of the meeting and they agreed to stand by in case there was an altercation.

As I anticipated, Ms. Murrey was still dishonest to the bitter end and tried to reneg on the promise to deliver the silver male persian. She also had the full $2200 in cash which I gave her. As there were several witnesses present at the time, she changed her mind yet again and agreed to honor her agreement for the umpteenth time and finally handed over the silver male persian. After making sure he was safely out of her view, we went back to her car in the parking lot to sign the contracts.
Both contracts state Munira Murrey would send me the registration papers once the kittens were spayed and neutered.  The female persians contract  reads as follows:

The kitten must be spayed by the age of 6 months latest.  She must not be used for breeding  Registration papers and/or pedigree will be provided once the kitten has been spayed and a veterinary certificate of altering is provided.
On October 20, 2011 (at exactly 6 months old), I had the white female spayed in accordance with the contract, but Ms. Murrey refused to send me the registration papers. I have sent her 5 emails reminding her to send me the papers and have given her the Certificate of Spay 4 times, but she has refused to provide me with the papers, even though the $1500 I paid was to include registration papers. Below is the date and time of my most recent email to her:
From: J
Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2012 12:08 AM
To: Munira Murrey, Missionhill Persians & Exotics, Kelowna (misshill@shaw.ca)
Subject: 5TH REMINDER for Registration/Pedigree Papers for female persian (**aka Jubilee)
Importance: High
In fact, she contacted the Vet Clinic to tell them the Certificate of Spay was not accurate because it did not show the name she had given the cat Jubilee. Instead, the Certificate showed the name I chose for her. The fact the species, age, breed and color are all identical to what is in the contract was irrelevant to Ms. Murrey. Furthermore, the name Jubilee does not appear anywhere on the contract she drew up.
She knows the cat I have is the same cat she sold me and yet she is playing these ridiculous games. To date, she has not acknowledged a single email and has not sent me the registration/pedigree for the spayed female as promised in the contract.
Now things get very interesting.

I do not believe it is a coincidence that both Persians she sold me were both very sick, as the lost Persian that climbed into the kennel with mine was also very sick with a different type of disease (water on the brain).

Both the cats she sold me are sick to this day. The white persian contracted a highly contagious herpes virus while in her care and apparently its common amongst catteries where there are several cats (she had approx. 25-30). She has a corneal ulcer which will cost $1600 to operate and there is no guarantee the ulcer will not come back. She may lose her vision in the infected eye completely, and worse, the infection could transfer to the other eye as well, leaving both eyes infected with this incurable virus. To date since September, 2011, I have spent over $2500 in vet care and vets anticipate this will be an ongoing problem for the life of the cat, who just turned one year old on April 21, 2012.

The male persian (1 year old in July/12) has a condition called reverse sneezing and may also have a corneal ulcer from having been around Ms. Murreys cats. The contract Ms. Murrey drew up and signed states the following:
Seller guarantees that the cat described above is in good health at the time of purchase.  If examination by a licensed veterinarian within 72 hours of possession reveals otherwise, seller will replace the cat with one of equal quality.  If the cat dies within the first two years of a genetic health defect, seller will replace the cat for one of equal quality upon availability basis upon receipt of a detailed necropsy report by a Veterinarian outlining the alleged health defect
Above are two pictures of the female persians infected left eye.


Below is an excerpt of what a vet specializing in cats wrote concerning the Corneal Ulcer:
From: Dr *
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 7:45 PM
To: J
Subject: RE: D
Hi J,
Im not sure quite where to start, but I will try to answer questions one by one and just let me know if Ive missed anything.
Re: staining both eyes. Checking a fluorescein dye test on both eyes (and thus also on both nasolacrimal ducts) is standard procedure during an opthalmic exam. Although Ds corneal scarring and ulceration is visible to the naked eye, that is not always the case. Dye tests can show us corneal swelling and pinpoint ulcers and early ucers that are not otherwise visible. So it is best to do a complete opthalmic exam rather than half. The good news was that Ds right eye looked great. However, both nasolacrimal ducts are not patent.
Re: treating both eyes. As weve discussed, the feline herpes virus is one of the most common causes of corneal ulcers and eye infections in cats. We are currently doing some presumptive treatment for FHV by treating her with an anti-viral opthalmic suspension and oral lysine. (She has geographical ulcer which is quite common with FHV.) Sometimes eye infections can transfer to the (previously) non-affected eye, so sometimes we recommend treating both eyes even if only one is currently an issue.
Re: referral to opthalmologist. The sooner a specialist is involved in the management of any medical problem, the better. In Ds case, given the large surface area of her corneal ulcer, I believe she should be referred as quickly as possible (and I believe she was on the 12th). However, I would absolutely advise against skipping the treatments I have prescribed to D. The opthalmologist may change doses and add on other treatments, but please continue to administer her idoxuridine, Fucithalmic, and lysine as prescribed.
Re: itchy ear. D did not have contact with any other cat while she was in the clinic, and every kennel and surface is sterilized prior to a patient coming into contact with those surfaces. I suspect that she may either be scratching/pawing at her left eye, or she may have some mild ear inflammation which is causing her to itch this could be caused by allergies (food, environmental), infection, or simply excessive wax production. Ear mites can also cause itchy ears of course, but I dont see any note in her file about suspecting mites. That said, I have seen Persians come infested with ear mites from their breeders, so its not impossible that she could have a mild mite infection. She just would not have been able to pick it up at the clinic. Regarding transmission of infections to your other Persian though, FHV is easily transmitted to other cats. Presuming your other kitty is up to date on vaccines and has a good immune system, she ought to be able to deal with the virus without suffering a clinical infection.
 As for Ds diagnoses she does not have many definitive diagnoses, although she does have multiple problems:
 1) Large geographical corneal ulcer, left eye, with secondary bacterial infection.
 Treated with: tobramycin opthalmic drops (discontinued use), Fucithalmic gel, Idoxuridine opthalmic drops, and lysine 
2) FLUTD feline lower urinary tract disease
Treated with: attempting to transition to a canned diet
 3) Constipation
 Treated with: Microlax Enema
4) Weight loss (3.72 kg to 3.59 kg)
 Treated with: supportive overnight care (as below)
 5) FUO fever of unknown origin
 Treated with: subcutaneous (SQ) fluids, 500 mcg Vitamin B12 SQ injection, temperature monitoring in clinic
 6) Obstructed/stenotic nasolacrimal ducts
 Treatment: none likely secondary to infection or simply breed-related problem
 Recommendation for further treatments/tests (ideally):
 - (opthalmologist referral done)
- viral testing
- repeat dye tests
- feline blood screen
- repeat urinalysis
- urine culture and sensitivity
- pain control for urinary discomfort
I hope this helps. How is Miss D doing at home currently? If you can update the girls on Sunday, that would be great.
Dr *
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Below is an excerpt of what a specialist (opthalmologist) wrote concerning the Corneal Ulcer:
From: Dr *
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2012 10:09 AM
To: J
Subject: D
Hi J,
We spoke on the phone last night, but Ill just write a brief summary here of what we know is happening with your girl and a bit about what we discussed. Since I havent actually seen her myself, I will also leave the file for  Dr. *s review for when she in back in the clinic after the Easter weekend.
D has a large corneal ulcer on her left eye which is in the process of healing. Corneal ulcers are most commonly caused in cats by the Feline Herpes Virus (FHV), although there are other infectious diseases that can cause ulcers as well. Persian & Himalayan kitties can also develop corneal ulcers without the presence of infectious agents because of their brachycephalic (smush-faced) anatomy which results in their eyes protruding abnormally from their sockets. The protrusion means that the tear film may not be swept across the entire surface of the cornea fully while blinking, and this can result in corneal ulceration due to dryness.
The ointment that D has been prescribed will act as both a lubricant for her eye as well as an antibiotic to prevent secondary infections from setting in (and preventing the ulcer from healing). There are further tests that can be done to determine the underlying cause of Ds ulcer, and if you wish to have these performed we can do so. There is always the option to refer her to an opthalmologist for assessment as well. I am attaching a link here to an article about corneal ulcers in cats:
http://www.petplace.com/cats/corneal-ulceration-in-cats/page1.aspx
D also has blood in her urine and was experiencing painful urination. Her urine test revealed highly concentrated urine and a lot of blood; there were no bacteria, crystals, or inflammatory cells seen. However, a urinary tract infection cannot be ruled out entirely without doing a urine culture, and we cannot rule out urinary stones definitively without doing an ultrasound. I suspect that D may have Feline Idiopathic Cystitis, but we cannot say that with certainty unless we rule out other possibilities with more tests. One of the best ways to treat any of the possible causes (and prevent recurrence) is to feed her a wet diet so that she produces more dilute urine. However, I understand your little girl (along with your other Persian kitty) is a finicky lady and prefers her kibble. Given that she seems to be urinating more easily now, it sounds like the issue may be resolving that said, it would be a very good idea to repeat a urine test in several weeks to ensure that there is not still blood present in her urine (it is not always visible to the naked eye).  Im attaching a link to a couple of great articles here about cat urinary troubles:
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=633
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&S=0&C=0&A=612
I hope shes doing well, and well be in touch soon to get an update!
Dr *, DVM
* Vet Clinic


U P D A T E:
I received an email on May 26, 2012 from CFA Cattery Reviews advising this breeder has already 2 very serious complaints about  her. You can read all about them here: 
http://ca-catbreeders.info/canada-location.html#missionhillpersians

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#1 REBUTTAL Individual responds

JENNY FORST, LIAR AND KITTEN THIEF

AUTHOR: MISSIONHILL PERSIANS - ()

Jenny Forst stole my kitten on September 26, 2011 and threatened to make up stories about me and my cats unless I removed the account of her theft from my website.  I refused to do so and she has since followed through with her threat to post lies about me and my cats on the internet.  She keeps changing her story in all her complaints because she can't remember her own lies...

9 months after purchasing my kitten it developed an eye infection.  She neglected taking it immediately to the vet for treatment and as a result of her negligence the infection developed into an ulcer.  As she herself has written in one of her reports, her own vet refused to have her as his client and she had to get another vet.

My cattery has been certified as a Cattery of Excellence that meets and exceeds cattery standards of the Canadian Veterinary Medical Association, as well as the Cat Fancier's Association, and has also received a 100% No Action Needed Report from the BCSPCA.

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Munira Murrey's ongoing threats to her new customers

AUTHOR: jf - ()

Munira - why doesn't this new incident surprise me? You should be asking yourself why you always have issues with everyone that buys cats from you. In every instance I'm aware of, the police have been involved. In my case, I had to call them because I was afraid of you. Your reputation is ruined as a breeder. I pray other poor unsuspecting people do their due diligence and stay away from you or they will end up on your malicious threat list as well.
This last story you posted is just another example of the havoc and chaos you have caused in so many people's lives. By the way - you still haven't mailed the registration papers you promised a year ago. Munira - you haven't changed. You're still a liar and a fraud and should be ashamed of yourself for continuing to sell sick cats.
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#3 REBUTTAL Owner of company

JENNY FORST & SAMANTHA COOK

AUTHOR: MISSIONHILL PERSIANS - ()

I have to agree with you Steve about Jenny Forst being a trifle unbalanced.  Every now and then I get an e-mail from somebody who knows me well and asks me whether this woman, Jenny, is sane.  From being initially annoyed by her sporadic outbursts I now treat her behavior as something beyond her control and just ignore her. 

It is a well known fact that like attracts like and "birds of a feather flock together".  Jenny seems to attract liars, cheats and dishonest people.  Just recently three people came to my house to buy a cat from me and tried to swindle me in a similar way to what Jenny had tried.  When they started threatening me and demanding $260 for gas money to bring back a cat they had picked up the night before, I filed a police report, reported them to the SPCA and also filed a report with the Indian Band that they are a member of.   The daughter then let it slip that they knew all about what had occurred with Jenny and I then realized that this is why they thought they could threaten me into paying them the gas money they demanded.

The cat in question had been advertised on Castanet as being available for adoption for no money except the cost of the veterinary bill for spaying and a donation to the SPCA.  The total amount for spay AND a veterinary health certificate that was given to them with the cat, came to $285.60, plus I included a Greyhound comb, vitamin and mineral mix to make up 1 kg of the raw chicken/liver diet I feed my cats, and a selection of cat toys, the total value of the extras being at least $60.00.    So they received a healthy cat and supplies valued at $365 for cash paid to me of $225.00. 

Initially the wife did not want to sign my Sales Contract and they were upset that I had included their full name and address in the contract.  They had given me an incorrect name and did not give me their address.  I did a bit of research and managed to find out the missing information.  When the wife balked about signing any contract I told her that without a contract they would not get the cat.  I also told them that they MUST keep the cat on the same food that I was feeding her as she refused to eat any other food. 
 
Before they took her home I arranged with my butcher for 1 kg of meat to be ready for pick-up immediately these people left my house.  They assured me they would go straight to the butchers shop, which was on their way and about a 12 minute drive from my house.  I gave them enough prepared food for the night meal and one meal in the morning.  It was therefore essential that they pick up the food from the butchers shop before going home.   As soon as they left my house I paid the donation of $25.00 to the SPCA by electronic mail as per my Contract and my ad on Castanet.

The next morning I checked with the butcher and was told they had not picked up the food.  I then suspected that they would find a reason to return the cat to me but could not figure out why.   As soon as I returned home I got a phone call from these people saying they were bringing the cat back and demanding their money back.  I wanted to know why since the cat had been with them only overnight.  The daughter started screaming into the phone that the kitten was sick, blind and lame.  She said she knew this because it would not play with the toys and when she brought in her black Newfoundland dog the cat had sat frozen, not moving, and it couldnt walk. Naturally I was furious that they had been so stupid as to put the dog with the cat immediately after arriving home.  The poor cat had never seen a dog in its life and these idiots frightened the poor little thing out of its wits.  

A few minutes after hanging up the phone they arrived at my house.  My husband and a friend watched
the proceedings from inside the house and could hear these people screaming at the top of their voices. The man was threatening that he would sue me for giving them a sick cat without a health certificate.  When I demanded he hand over my bag with all the papers I had given them, the man eventually pulled the bag out from the car and I found the health certificate tucked away inside.  I let them know in no uncertain manner my opinion of liars. 

I found my poor cat crouched in the corner of an open cardboard grocery box at the back of the car. The minute I saw her I insisted on taking her into the house right away.  My contract states Sale is Final but there was no way I would leave my cat with these awful people.  I refunded their money to them, less the donation that had already been paid to the SPCA for which I gave them the receipt.  They did not return the extras including the expensive Greyhound comb, so I was out-of-pocket $60.00.   The wife took the money and receipt from me and then told me that they had brought the cat back because their daughter was NOT READY FOR A CAT!   All that ranting about the cat being sick, blind and lame was just a ruse to not only get their money back but to double their money....   They started threatening me that if I didn't pay them $260 for their gas and time they would sue me and tell our neighbours about how I had stolen money from them and from the SPCA.  The mans final threat was: I know where you live.    Not surprisingly, the daughter, Samantha Cook, is an admiring protg of Jenny Forst!

The Crook family are members of one of our local Indian bands and when I reported this incident I was advised to make a report to the RCMP, which is the next step I will take if I receive any further threats from this dishonest family.

When I spoke to the SPCA they told me that the SPCA would not have refunded any money for the cat as this is not their policy.  However, I am just glad that the cat did not have to spend more than one night with these horrible people. 

The cat was adopted the day after she was returned  and is now living in a wonderful home with people who adore her.
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#4 REBUTTAL Individual responds

STEVE - or do you mean Brian ??

AUTHOR: jf - ()

I have it on good authority that you are not Steve, but that you are in fact the BRIAN PAVAO who has not stopped harassing me since last October.  Tonight I called the only Steve I know who is a retired firefighter chief and he was appalled at what you wrote.  He agreed that everything you wrote is garbage and that I am the complete opposite.  He happens to love my pets and agrees that I am a loving caring pet owner - as do all my friends and family.

Brian - you know who you are and you know that you and your partner Alan haven't stopped harassing and bullying me since you moved into my building complex last October. Using your job at the City to intimidate me and using it as leverage as well as joining the Strata does not give you and Alan the right to continue to harass me if one of my dogs accidentally slips out of his collar. Reporting that to the Strata and to the City is childish and absurd! Perhaps your aggressive Sheba could learn a thing or two from my friendly bichons.  Please mind your own business and stop interfering with my life.  You have no right to be so vindictive and malicious and stick your nose where it doesn't belong!! You can't take back the garbage you publicly posted, but you can apologize.
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#5 REBUTTAL Individual responds

TO Steve - whoever you are

AUTHOR: jf - ()

Why don't you reveal yourself whoever you are? Too much of a coward?  I didn't see that you had written yet another ridiculous blurb. You have your own serious issues if you ignore the fact that Munira Murrey has hurt many people.  http://ca-catbreeders.info/canada-location.html#missionhillpersians

As I said, yours are the most ridiculous comments I have ever read.  If you knew me as you claim to, then why don't you own it and identify yourself? Only cowards hide behind emails and post things online because they don't have the guts to say it in person.  If you knew me, you would not be able to write this garbage. People that know me know I am an exceptional pet handler and have been for the past 15 years! I have the most behaved pets of anyone I know.  Bullying behaviour and attitude??? Very funny.  I have a positive attitude and have never bullied anyone in my life.   Liar - can't be trusted??? According to who?  Isn't it interesting that you write this garbage only after Munira Murrey's ramblings and false accusations and that you didn't come forward earlier?  Shady ways??  I would suggest you are the expert on that. Perhaps you'll have to make something up again.  Bottom line - everything you read on the internet is heresay. If people chose to believe garbage, then their lives will become garbage. Perhaps you are using a fake name because you obviously are someone that was dumped or that I had no interest in dating.  Get a grip on life whoever you are. You do not know me and I DO NOT care to know you. I will not respond to anything further as you are not worthy of my time and energy.
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TO Steve - whoever you are

AUTHOR: jf - ()

Yours is the most ridiculous comment I have ever read.  If you knew me as you claim to, then why don't you own it and identify yourself? Only cowards hide behind emails and post things online because they don't have the guts to say it in person.  If you knew me, you would not be able to write this garbage. People that know me know I am an exceptional pet handler and have been for the past 15 years! I have the most behaved pets of anyone I know.  Bullying behaviour and attitude??? Very funny.  I have a positive attitude and have never bullied anyone in my life.   Liar - can't be trusted? According to who?  Isn't it interesting that you write this garbage only after Munira Murrey's ramblings and false accusations and that you didn't come forward earlier?  Shady ways??  I would suggest you are the expert on that. Perhaps you'll have to make something up again.  Bottom line - everything you read on the internet is heresay. If people chose to believe garbage, then their lives will become garbage. Perhaps you are using a fake name because you obviously are someone that was dumped or that I had no interest in dating.  Get a grip on life whoever you are. You do not know me and I do not care to know you.
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More spare time for Jenny

AUTHOR: Steve - ()

Look out. It looks like Jenny is off her rocker again! I find it hilarious that the great majority, if not all of the posts she copies are written by her. You can tell by the writing style, or lack thereof. It is also hilarious how she refers to herself in her notes as "us" and "we". I can only assume she is refering to her invisible friend? In any event, I cannot bother wasting any more of my time on this post, as she will just respond in her usual immature ways, which for someone her age, is really quite sad. I can let her have the last word, or she will never be satisfied, which is again, quite sad. As for everyone else on this post, don't take anything to heart, it is just Jenny being Jenny, at her usual lower point.
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THE TRUTH: Munira Murrey is A LIAR - read about it here

AUTHOR: jf - ()

Munira Murrey is a liar and the following people who suffered at the hands of Munira Murrey help vindicate Jenny Forst and her sister:

This says it all:
http://ca-catbreeders.info/comments-missionhillpersians.html

Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted on SUBMITTED: Fri, October 25, 2011
I don't know ------, but I DO know Munira Murray and what I find 'interesting' is that Munira Murray in her own opinion, is never wrong. Everyone else is wrong. I am a breeder and I know many many other breeders who have approached me over the years who all say exactly the same thing: Munira Murray of Missionhill Persians cannot and will not ever accept responsibility for anything. If she sends a cat that is not well, or in bad shape, she will turn it around and accuse the other person of sending the disease to Munira in the first place. It seems to me very sad that Munira will not take any responsibility but what is worse - she causes so many people such UNNECESSARY anguish and stress by lying, blacklisting them, writing slanderous emails, refusing to replace or refund for her mistakes - etc. We are all breeders with ethics - we are human - sometimes we make mistakes and sometimes those mistakes may be very sad and tragic - but we OWN them! and we accept them! and we do whatever it takes to correct them! And sometimes we correct mistakes that are not necessarily ones WE have made - but it seems to me it is better to do that, than to have one sad person with no one to turn to for help in dealing with the situation. Far better to reach out and attempt to take on part of the pain, then to spread even more pain and stress. Yes, Munira's son is a lawyer and yes Munira throwns his name around as a threat to everyone that she is correct and no one else dare speak up. If I did that to my own son, he would hide his head in shame! Who knows?? and shame on Munira for passing around such private information as ------ cell number!! when Munira herself hides behind blocking people's emails! 

Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted at October 21, 2011
No, Munira, its not my experience with a kitten that I purchased; we are seing that its the experience of MANY people that purchases cats from you. You are wrong again; thats something that you use to do for soo many years: you think that people wishes to get A MISSIONHILL cat through any other breeder. Thats not truth. I didnt want a kitten FROM Monarch; I was buying a lovely Purrsatin kitten. But happens that your lines is everywhere, so, even if someone would want to avoid it, would be quite difficult to get a Silver without any MissionHill behind. Yes, you are right - the breeding doubled up a line of cats - YOURS. The pedigree is attached. When I asked to ---- about a baby, I even didnt know the lines that the kitten was coming from. Never mind, I wanted that baby, from a honest and nice breeder. Thats all. And the same I intended when I asked a baby from you - really, several, several years ago. MANY time ago. But, here, God determines which cat is coming to His breding program - my cattery is not mine, is His. When I try a new kitten and it doesnt work, not soo later I hear about problems - several and serious - and then I understand why He didnt allow me to have this or that kitten. And I am grateful for Him to take such a good care of me and my childrens, thats what my cats are for me. Not simply animals are you wanted people believes, they are not caged, are happy, free and sleep in my bed to the point to throw me away - or over me, and I cant move for dont wake up them. Right now, I do have both couches full of them, sleeping and waiting for the kisses of mommy. They are ALL used with it. When I travel, I have to call to home and speak on the phone with many, or they stops eating when I travel. They are bathed weekly with Eqyss, Jerob, EZ Groom and similar products; my combs are all Greyhound. My hair will NEVER see the texturizers that my cats use every week, no matter if its a show cat or a spaid one that will never attend a show. Attends me like dogs, obey me, comes when I call, my cats enchantes everyone that comes to visit us. They shines of love and care , and I am reference of quality, respected and loved (or hated, as I dont sell my cats for breeding here for NOTHING in this world) in the whole country. Only in your mouth I am horrible in all the meanings. I dont remember you saying anything about the interbreeding of Monarch, even why, I didnt breed this line, as Millie has died with hydrocephaly exactly 4 months old - 2 weeks after I arrive from Germany with her. And, NO, ---- didnt sold Monarch for anyone - MONARCH DIED around one year later than Millie did. Thats NOT truth what you are saying. ---- is being forard this message, in despite she doesnt speak english, she must to be aware of what you are accusing her publicly. But, now, is occuring me a question... if you have told about it (I really dont remember), you knew that this line was potential for problems; if you knew, why you sold these lines for breeding? 
 
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Posted at October 23, 2011
Yes, I agree that people need to be more aware of this woman. Many people I speak to - and not usually even about Munira! - bring up her name and ask if I know her and then usually will tell me a few things along this line - but I sense a lot of reluctance to share the whole scenario - because they fear what she can do to them!! She supposedly is of sterling reputation - but behind the scenes, we definitely know better. She always has an excuse - and is always 'away' when things go awry. If the cat ate tuna is was because Munira fed it tuna. If she goes away, she leaves sufficient food for the cats and strict orders about how, when and what to feed, etc. So we can presume this is another lie to avoid taking responsibility and yes, even so - why on earth would she ship a cat in that condition without alerting the buyer??? I was afraid to join this list and I know Munira will attack me yet again, but truth be told, I don't care much anymore as I see a definite pattern outside of my own experience - which somehow helps to vindicate me! thanks! 

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Posted at March 24, 2011
I must say that it doesn't surprise me that Munira chose to quit the group as this is very typical of her behaviour. She loves to strike and hurt and then quickly withdraw whereby she will wait for her chance to strike again. Similar behaviour can be found in true psychopaths, interestingly enough. (that was my study of interest when I was taking my ----- courses.) It is a bit reminiscent also of snake-like behaviour, to my mind's eye. She doesn't like to see that people disagree with her and again, she exhibits the same tendency via email. After starting the arguments and attacking people, she will say the most terrible things and before one can write again in their own defence, she blocks their email - and paradoxically, she will continue to send them emails of attack! My good friend ---- was a recent victim where Munira called the RCMP and told them that ---- was harassing her - the Constable just laughed - Munira had already blocked ---- - but after the RCMP report, she continued to write nasty emails to ---- - is this not harassment?? Too weird! Don't be surprised if she surfaces in the Group again - or in a similar one. 
 
Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted at October 25, 2011
If you got an email from Munira about litter registrations from Monet not being approved with TICA and being approved with CFA. I don't keep all the emails from nasty correspondance I delete them and get that waster of time out of my life.
This was my only way to get my cat back from Munira. I was angry at what she did and my way of getting back was to stop the litter registrations. I called the police and they would not help me get my cat back without a court order. They said they could come to witness but could not physically make her give back the cat. To give her litter registrations was the only way to get my cat back. She used had him four months and charged me for board. I asked her 500.00 for stud. I sent my story to both CFA and to TICA. She is so cheap and she basicly got him free or better yet paid to use him. She works with her cats in pet homes did you know that? Who knows what other cats those people have that can expose all kinds of bacterias and viruses the show cats of hers in the pet homes? 

Missionhill Persians Cattery
Posted at October 25, 2011  
What has been placed there are facts and testimonies. You may can not like this, but thats what you have asked: facts, testimonies and e-mails from people that felt damaged. Was a dennounce, the affected/mentioned people joined the ---- as soon as you got, and started to share their experiences and feelings. Including me, I am also a member and a breeder for who you have spoke very bad.
You shouldnt be having fun on the sorrow of the others - thats very evil. You should be using your time and mind in a productive manner, not to make such a malign goal as a main priority in your days. If you dont respect the feelings of the others, provoke suffering and yet despize it 'having fun' to even spine more yet over people, you really disappoint me deeply. Thats not the idea that I had about you.
Munira, since you are sharing publicly personal e-mails you changed with others - often and for MANY years, and without their permissions, and worse, as a GUN against others, you dont deserve any kind of apologizes - you are doing worst than I ever did. You are acting with malice and with bad intention, and it just show that you are not a nice person, how can you not show any kind of solidarity with people that had suffered soo much with the cats you sold to them?
Plus, someone that use one e-mail with apologizes for 15 years shows how black your heart is. You are using this to blackmail me too? How can you use a apologize to black mail someone? Of course you are not going to overcharge me because of this, Munira. To share a e-mail its not a dead crime as you want to make it seems. In that e-mail didnt have anything SOOO bad like you want to seem. 
I can also find your message and share again (thats not what you have been ASKED for?), and we can let people judge ONE MORE thing you want to use to attack people - in despite of, actually, you dont need any reason to attack anyone, its enough someone have good cats for you start your target on the poor one, as you have spoken very badly about me for soo many, without even know me, without to have a cat from me or with NO info about my cattery. Instead - you are selling sick cats that dont last more than 5, 6 years - what its your point, just working to try to divert the attention from you? So, who are you to point fingers to anyone? Look at you - do you have any mirror in your home?
So, I will make it VERY CLEAR to you - I RETIRE MY APOLOGIZE, Munira. You dont deserve a apologize if you do the very same thing, but not just once and neither innocently, but for MANY MANY years, and with malice. Thats incredible that someone can use AN APOLOGIZE to blackmail someone. I feel like to say 'I am sorry" for the demon. Finally, what you are doing just speaks more and more about you. You are burning yourself to the ground, sending private e-mails that has been shared on the list and have been spraid around. People is doing exactly what you have done with many. 
 
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STEVE is a liar !

AUTHOR: jf - ()

Whoever you are - you need to get a life.  Everything you've written could not be further from the truth.  There are plenty of people who have posted enough to vindicate Jenny Forst and her sister from the hellish nightmare created by Munira Murrey and her little pawns like you.  Read about it here and educate yourself before you make false accusations against people you don't even know and who don't know you -- and learn to spell ! If what you're saying is true and you had any balls, you wouldn't have to hide behind a disguise.

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DO NOT believe the LIES written about Jenny Forst !! Read what other people have experienced at the hands of Munira Murrey

AUTHOR: jf - ()

Munira Murrey has been putting her friends up to posting one lie after another about Jenny Forst and her sister.  Someone named Steve who Jenny has never heard of; another named Beth Ritland, and even Munira's husband, Harold (?) Munira, posted fabricated stories and lies on the internet.  Jenny has had pets her entire adult life and anyone who knows her knows no one has a bigger heart for animals than she does. 

I know Munira will attack Jenny yet again, but truth be told, we don't care much anymore as we see a definite pattern outside of our own experience - which somehow helps to vindicate us! Thanks to all of you who came forward to expose the truth about Munira Murrey. 
Munira Murrey is a liar.  You can read all about it here:

http://ca-catbreeders.info/comments-missionhillpersians.html

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Posted on SUBMITTED: Fri, October 25, 2011  

I don't know ------, but I DO know Munira Murray and what I find 'interesting' is that Munira Murray in her own opinion, is never wrong. Everyone else is wrong. I am a breeder and I know many many other breeders who have approached me over the years who all say exactly the same thing: Munira Murray of Missionhill Persians cannot and will not ever accept responsibility for anything. If she sends a cat that is not well, or in bad shape, she will turn it around and accuse the other person of sending the disease to Munira in the first place. It seems to me very sad that Munira will not take any responsibility but what is worse - she causes so many people such UNNECESSARY anguish and stress by lying, blacklisting them, writing slanderous emails, refusing to replace or refund for her mistakes - etc. We are all breeders with ethics - we are human - sometimes we make mistakes and sometimes those mistakes may be very sad and tragic - but we OWN them! and we accept them! and we do whatever it takes to correct them! And sometimes we correct mistakes that are not necessarily ones WE have made - but it seems to me it is better to do that, than to have one sad person with no one to turn to for help in dealing with the situation. Far better to reach out and attempt to take on part of the pain, then to spread even more pain and stress. Yes, Munira's son is a lawyer and yes Munira throwns his name around as a threat to everyone that she is correct and no one else dare speak up. If I did that to my own son, he would hide his head in shame! Who knows?? and shame on Munira for passing around such private information as ------ cell number!! when Munira herself hides behind blocking people's emails!

Missionhill Persians Cattery

Posted at October 21, 2011

 

No, Munira, its not my experience with a kitten that I purchased; we are seing that its the experience of MANY people that purchases cats from you. You are wrong again; thats something that you use to do for soo many years: you think that people wishes to get A MISSIONHILL cat through any other breeder. Thats not truth. I didnt want a kitten FROM Monarch; I was buying a lovely Purrsatin kitten. But happens that your lines is everywhere, so, even if someone would want to avoid it, would be quite difficult to get a Silver without any MissionHill behind. Yes, you are right - the breeding doubled up a line of cats - YOURS. The pedigree is attached. When I asked to ---- about a baby, I even didnt know the lines that the kitten was coming from. Never mind, I wanted that baby, from a honest and nice breeder. Thats all. And the same I intended when I asked a baby from you - really, several, several years ago. MANY time ago. But, here, God determines which cat is coming to His breding program - my cattery is not mine, is His. When I try a new kitten and it doesnt work, not soo later I hear about problems - several and serious - and then I understand why He didnt allow me to have this or that kitten. And I am grateful for Him to take such a good care of me and my childrens, thats what my cats are for me. Not simply animals are you wanted people believes, they are not caged, are happy, free and sleep in my bed to the point to throw me away - or over me, and I cant move for dont wake up them. Right now, I do have both couches full of them, sleeping and waiting for the kisses of mommy. They are ALL used with it. When I travel, I have to call to home and speak on the phone with many, or they stops eating when I travel. They are bathed weekly with Eqyss, Jerob, EZ Groom and similar products; my combs are all Greyhound. My hair will NEVER see the texturizers that my cats use every week, no matter if its a show cat or a spaid one that will never attend a show. Attends me like dogs, obey me, comes when I call, my cats enchantes everyone that comes to visit us. They shines of love and care , and I am reference of quality, respected and loved (or hated, as I dont sell my cats for breeding here for NOTHING in this world) in the whole country. Only in your mouth I am horrible in all the meanings. I dont remember you saying anything about the interbreeding of Monarch, even why, I didnt breed this line, as Millie has died with hydrocephaly exactly 4 months old - 2 weeks after I arrive from Germany with her. And, NO, ---- didnt sold Monarch for anyone - MONARCH DIED around one year later than Millie did. Thats NOT truth what you are saying. ---- is being forard this message, in despite she doesnt speak english, she must to be aware of what you are accusing her publicly. But, now, is occuring me a question... if you have told about it (I really dont remember), you knew that this line was potential for problems; if you knew, why you sold these lines for breeding?

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Posted at October 23, 2011 in 

Yes, I agree that people need to be more aware of this woman. Many people I speak to - and not usually even about Munira! - bring up her name and ask if I know her and then usually will tell me a few things along this line - but I sense a lot of reluctance to share the whole scenario - because they fear what she can do to them!! She supposedly is of sterling reputation - but behind the scenes, we definitely know better. She always has an excuse - and is always 'away' when things go awry. If the cat ate tuna is was because Munira fed it tuna. If she goes away, she leaves sufficient food for the cats and strict orders about how, when and what to feed, etc. So we can presume this is another lie to avoid taking responsibility and yes, even so - why on earth would she ship a cat in that condition without alerting the buyer??? I was afraid to join this list and I know Munira will attack me yet again, but truth be told, I don't care much anymore as I see a definite pattern outside of my own experience - which somehow helps to vindicate me! thanks!

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I must say that it doesn't surprise me that Munira chose to quit the group as this is very typical of her behaviour. She loves to strike and hurt and then quickly withdraw whereby she will wait for her chance to strike again. Similar behaviour can be found in true psychopaths, interestingly enough. (that was my study of interest when I was taking my ----- courses.) It is a bit reminiscent also of snake-like behaviour, to my mind's eye. She doesn't like to see that people disagree with her and again, she exhibits the same tendency via email. After starting the arguments and attacking people, she will say the most terrible things and before one can write again in their own defence, she blocks their email - and paradoxically, she will continue to send them emails of attack! My good friend ---- was a recent victim where Munira called the RCMP and told them that ---- was harassing her - the Constable just laughed - Munira had already blocked ---- - but after the RCMP report, she continued to write nasty emails to ---- - is this not harassment?? Too weird! Don't be surprised if she surfaces in the Group again - or in a similar one.

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Posted at October 25, 2011  

If you got an email from Munira about litter registrations from Monet not being approved with TICA and being approved with CFA. I don't keep all the emails from nasty correspondance I delete them and get that waster of time out of my life.

This was my only way to get my cat back from Munira. I was angry at what she did and my way of getting back was to stop the litter registrations. I called the police and they would not help me get my cat back without a court order. They said they could come to witness but could not physically make her give back the cat. To give her litter registrations was the only way to get my cat back. She used had him four months and charged me for board. I asked her 500.00 for stud. I sent my story to both CFA and to TICA. She is so cheap and she basicly got him free or better yet paid to use him. She works with her cats in pet homes did you know that? Who knows what other cats those people have that can expose all kinds of bacterias and viruses the show cats of hers in the pet homes?

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Posted at October 25, 2011  


 

What has been placed there are facts and testimonies. You may can not like this, but thats what you have asked: facts, testimonies and e-mails from people that felt damaged. Was a dennounce, the affected/mentioned people joined the ---- as soon as you got, and started to share their experiences and feelings. Including me, I am also a member and a breeder for who you have spoke very bad.

You shouldnt be having fun on the sorrow of the others - thats very evil. You should be using your time and mind in a productive manner, not to make such a malign goal as a main priority in your days. If you dont respect the feelings of the others, provoke suffering and yet despize it 'having fun' to even spine more yet over people, you really disappoint me deeply. Thats not the idea that I had about you.

Munira, since you are sharing publicly personal e-mails you changed with others - often and for MANY years, and without their permissions, and worse, as a GUN against others, you dont deserve any kind of apologizes - you are doing worst than I ever did. You are acting with malice and with bad intention, and it just show that you are not a nice person, how can you not show any kind of solidarity with people that had suffered soo much with the cats you sold to them?

Plus, someone that use one e-mail with apologizes for 15 years shows how black your heart is. You are using this to blackmail me too? How can you use a apologize to black mail someone? Of course you are not going to overcharge me because of this, Munira. To share a e-mail its not a dead crime as you want to make it seems. In that e-mail didnt have anything SOOO bad like you want to seem.

I can also find your message and share again (thats not what you have been ASKED for?), and we can let people judge ONE MORE thing you want to use to attack people - in despite of, actually, you dont need any reason to attack anyone, its enough someone have good cats for you start your target on the poor one, as you have spoken very badly about me for soo many, without even know me, without to have a cat from me or with NO info about my cattery. Instead - you are selling sick cats that dont last more than 5, 6 years - what its your point, just working to try to divert the attention from you? So, who are you to point fingers to anyone? Look at you - do you have any mirror in your home?

So, I will make it VERY CLEAR to you - I RETIRE MY APOLOGIZE, Munira. You dont deserve a apologize if you do the very same thing, but not just once and neither innocently, but for MANY MANY years, and with malice. Thats incredible that someone can use AN APOLOGIZE to blackmail someone. I feel like to say 'I am sorry" for the demon. Finally, what you are doing just speaks more and more about you. You are burning yourself to the ground, sending private e-mails that has been shared on the list and have been spraid around. People is doing exactly what you have done with many.



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TRUE ACCOUNT FROM AN EYE WITNESS TO REFUTE THE LIES AND FALSE ACCUSATIONS OF JENNY FORST AGAINST MUNIRA MURREY AND MISSION HILL PERSIANS

AUTHOR: Beth - (Canada)

My attention was drawn to the ongoing lies being posted on this site by Jenny Forst.  Since I was personally involved in the incident in question and do not like to see an honest person slandered and lied about I thought I should record my observations and the truth of this matter.

Munira has patiently explained on this site what really occurred however Jenny has continued to churn out blatant lies and try to cause damage to Munira Murrey and Mission Hill Persians.  It is interesting that any positive comments written about Jenny Forst are by supposed persons with the initials J.F. which are her own initials.

I was closely involved with this fiasco from the time Munira discovered that Jenny Forst had stolen the kitten from her home until the moment I had to hand over the ransom kitten to Jenny Forst.

Munira phoned me on September 26th within half an hour of discovering that her kitten had been stolen.  She said that the kitten had been picked up and put back on the scratching post by Jenny AFTER the other two kittens had been put into their carrier awaiting the completion of the sales contracts.  It would have been impossible for the kitten to get into the carrier by mistake.  Munira has trouble  opening the stiff door latches on the carrier and Jennys sister had actually opened the carrier and closed it after Munira put the kittens in.  After Jenny and Katrina left with the two kittens, the golden kitten Treasure Trove was discovered to be missing. 

I went to Muniras house before sunrise the next morning, September 27th, and spent hours searching inside and outside the house and the kitten was definitely not in the house or in the surrounding
area.  Munira had to leave for Vancouver that same morning and I was going to look after her cats in her
absence. Jenny had refused to answer her phone when Munira had repeatedly called her the previous night (Muniras number shows up on call display) yet she answered the phone as soon as I phoned her on my cell phone.  I said that Munira was on her way to Vancouver and had asked me to phone and ask Jenny and her sister to look for and please return the missing kitten.

Jenny told me she did not have the kitten.  She then told me she had decided not to keep the second kitten she had taken from Munira the night before.  This kitten had been given to her as a companion kitten for the silver kitten she had paid for.  It had been explained to me that she would not have been allowed to buy the silver kitten without a companion kitten being taken at the same time.  I agreed to meet Jenny at Buckerfields at 9:15 a.m.  to pick up the kitten she was returning and return it to Muniras house.

Before Munira left the house she told me that she would be stopping at the Toronto Dominion bank on her way to Vancouver to cash Jennys cheque for $2,000.  She said she did not trust Jenny and after the blatant theft of her kitten was worried that Jenny might stop payment on her cheque.

 I met Jenny at Buckerfields and she was quite late for her appointment with me. I actually thought she might not show up.  Munira and her husband also arrived at the same time prior to leaving for Vancouver.  Munira told me in front of Jenny that when she had arrived at the bank she had met Jenny coming out of the bank. She said that Jenny had stopped payment on her cheque for $2,000 (not $700 as stated by Jenny in her Report dated October 23rd).   Munira said that after telling Jenny that stopping
payment on a cheque was considered to be fraud, Jenny went back into the bank with her and the full amount of $2,000 was paid to her in cash.

Jenny stated in her above report:  Munira already had the Exotic because it had been  returned to
her the day before, but she did not refund the $700 for it, which is why the bank manager authorized a stop payment

 This of course was totally untrue as are so many of her ramblings.  Jenny could not have returned the Exotic the day before because she had purchased the Exotic only the night before and first thing the following morning she went to the bank and put a Stop Payment on her cheque before she met me at Buckerfields to return the Exotic. 

After Munira and her husband left for Vancouver Jenny told me that she had changed her mind and decided she wanted to keep the Exotic after all.  I told her that I could not give her the kitten since she had already told Munira that she would be returning him to me. 

My next encounter with Jenny was at Tim Hortons restaurant on the evening of September 29th, THREE DAYS AFTER JENNY HAD STOLEN THE KITTEN.  Munira told me that Jenny had phoned her that afternoon and offered to search her sisters house for the missing kitten.  She said that she would search for the kitten only if Munira would agree to give her a high quality kitten that had been reserved for somebody else.  Munira eventually agreed to Jennys demand because there was no other way to get her stolen kitten back.

Munira said that within 15 minutes of Jennys initial phone call she phoned again and said that she had found the kitten in her house.  She told Munira to meet her immediately at Tim Hortons in the Mission and give her the silver kitten she had demanded in exchange for the kitten she had found in her house.   Munira did not know where Tim Hortons was so told Jenny she would have to phone her husband to take her there and it would be at least half an hour before her husband could come home
from his workplace.

I arrived at Tim Hortons before Munira and her husband did.  Kitrina Jackson and Jenny were already there and Jenny was getting agitated because Munira was late.

Munira gave me the ransom kitten to hold and Kitrina held the kitten that Jenny had stolen. When Munira asked to look at the kitten that was being returned she was emphatically told that until the ransom kitten was handed over she could not touch or even approach her own kitten.

As they were leaving, Jenny shouted to Munira that she expected to be given a kitten from Treasure Trove (the kitten that she had stolen).  Munira shook her head and said that she was not entitled to anything, not even the $2,000 reward she claimed she was entitled to for finding the kitten.

Unfortunately no police were watching from nearby as stated by Jenny.  We would have welcomed the police being invited to stop this theft and demand for ransom. 

Summary: 

 I have copies of all the correspondence exchanged between Jenny and Munira when Jenny had enquired about purchasing a kitten.  Jenny wrote that she planned on visiting her sister and would like to stop by and see the cats, especially the silver kitten she eventually purchased and an adult female. Munira agreed to let her visit but told her emphatically and repeatedly that she had NOTHING AVAILABLE FOR SALE. 

Jenny and her sister were extremely pushy and insistent and eventually coerced Munira into selling them the silver female. Jenny offered to pay $2,500 for the kitten. Munira told her that even though the kitten was worth that as a breeder, she was unwilling to charge her that much for a pet kitten.  Munira asked her for $2,000 and included the brown tabby exotic within this price at basically no charge as a companion for the silver kitten.   Because Munira refused to sell Treasure Trove under any circumstances, Jenny apparently decided to help herself and just take him.  The kittens were extremely healthy and immaculately groomed when Jenny purchased them.  Unfortunately Jenny was unable to give the kittens proper food and care and seven months later reported that they were sick and in poor
condition.  Obviously she would not have been so determined to have them originally if they were sick and not well groomed at the time she bought them.

JENNY FORST has blatantly lied and has contradicted herself repeatedly as should be fairly obvious to anyone reading what she has written.

 MUNIRA MURREY is and always has been scrupulously honest and above board.  She bends over backward to make sure she gives others more than a fair deal.  She has a sterling reputation worldwide
for her honesty, intelligence and fabulous cats.
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#12 REBUTTAL Owner of company

Don't believe the lies wriitten about Jenny Forst by Munira **** and people she has posting them

AUTHOR: jf - (Canada)

We had to stop at the spot where it says Jenny offered $5000 for a cat. That is untrue and unfounded! Also the most preposterous lie of all the lies told in this completely fabricated story! Don't make allegations you can't back up. Heresay is not proof and is not a wise choice of belief systems. Whoever you people are do not know anything of what actually transpired because you were never involved.
Don't you have anything better to do than meddle in other people's business? Get a life! Our friends won't stoop to your level and obviously have more class than Munira ****'s so-called friends.
As for karma - it will come back to bite those of you who are lying about Jenny. You know who you are.
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#13 General Comment

I, Steve is in no way a liar.

AUTHOR: Steve - (Canada)

I find it funny that Jenny, liar and thief extrodinaire, calls me a liar! I also find it funny that Jenny wrote the last three posts, #7,8, and 9 trying to make it look like three people in this world would actually come to her defence.

Trust me, I was not dumped by Jenny and thus looking for revenge by way of my previous comments. Jenny has her long line of men she's manipulated and used over the years, however, I am not one of them, thank goddness! Like she pointed out, poetic justice, and karma will catch up with her!

I simply posted the truth about Jenny and what type of person she is. Over the years, I have seen the way she treats people, and her pathedic pattern of "wannabe" bullying behaviour. She cannot handle the truth, it's a simple as that.
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#14 REBUTTAL Individual responds

STEVE is is a liar !

AUTHOR: jf - (Canada)

This person has no idea what he is saying. Jenny is known by all her friends and family to be the most compassionate caring person they know. She has had pets her entire life and would even give her life for them because of the love she has for them. 

Nothing could be further from the truth Steve - whoever you are. It's obvious you don't know Jenny or maybe you're someone she dumped and this is your way of getting revenge.  You're a liar and you know it. Remember poetic justice and karma will catch up to you and people like you who have nothing better to do than try to ruin other people's lives.
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#15 REBUTTAL Individual responds

THE TRUTH concerning the false allegations made by Munira Murrey on her website against Jenny Forst

AUTHOR: jf - (Canada)

The following contains corrections of the excerpt on Munira Murrey's website concerning false allegations against Jenny Forst and her sister on the day they purchased two persian kittens from this breeder:

See FALSE allegations below that have been struck and
corrected with a comment in bold underlined italics :

             Beware of dealing with Jenny Forst (jennydodi)
             Kitten Stolen from my residence on September 26, 2011        
             by Jenny Forst and kept in the house of her sister, Kitrina Jackson
                                                                                                                             
Treasure Trove - Chinchilla Golden male at 5 months old
My kitten, Treasure Trove was finally  returned to me by Jenny Forst after I met her demands for another kitten in return for getting him backFALSE no kittens were stolen and there were no demands made
I give below the bizarre situation of his "disappearance" and miraculous "re-appearance", which is beyond belief.
Treasure was last seen in my house at 6:00 p.m. on September 26th, 2011.  We had two sisters visiting us from 2:00 p.m. until 6:15 p.m. that day.  One of the sisters, Jenny Forst from Vancouver, had been e-mailing me for several weeks trying to persuade me to sell her my chinchilla silver female kittenFALSE quite the contrary! The emails were initiated by Munira Murrey.  I had refused since this female had valuable breeding lines.  When Jenny came to Kelowna she phoned me and asked if she could come to my house to see my cats even though I had told her I had nothing to sell to herFALSE we had an appointment! About an hour after she arrived she asked if her sister,  who lives in Kelowna, could also come to my house, which she did. Jenny was staying with her sister for a week at the time she visited me.  She had not brought a carrier with her since I had written to her and told her that I would not sell her the female kitten, Jubilee, that she wanted to buy.
When she saw Jubilee she beseeched me to sell her.  She said she would pay me $2,500 if I agreed to let her buy her. .  FALSE  no more than $1500 was offered, which was high enough! This was before we found out the cat was sick. Her sister also pushed me into selling her by saying Jenny would give her a wonderful home. I eventually gave in but said that even if the kitten was worth $2,500 to me because of her pedigree, it would not make sense for Jenny to pay this much for a kitten that was sold as a pet.  I agreed to sell her the kitten as a pet on condition that she also took a companion kitten for her at no cost.. FALSE she reneged on the original agreement and would not sell the kitten in the photos and originally agreed to by email (the gray one) without getting paid another $700. The total price for the two kittens if not separated would be $2,000. FALSE we paid a total of $2200  I made it clear that for the purpose of the contracts and guarantees I would write the cost of Jubilee as $1,500 and the Exotic kitten as $500.  She asked if her sister could buy the Exotic for $500 and I refusedFALSE she was paid a total of $2200 and there was never a mention of $500 The deal was that the two kittens must stay together as companions for each other. FALSE  this was never agreed upon or discussed.   

When the time came to put the kittens in the carrier, her sister unlatched the carrier door for me.  She had to kneel on the floor in her work clothes and high heel shoes in order to do this
FALSE neither sister was near the carrier and one was busy having a conversation with the husband.  I have arthritis in my fingers and the latch was difficult for me to open and this is why I asked for help.   I put the silver female into the carrier and Jenny put in the Exotic male.   FALSE - Munira Murrey was the one who put the kittens in the carrier The door was immediately latched closed.  It was impossible for any other kitten to get into the carrier without Jenny, her sister,my husband and myself noticing.  The carrier with the latch well secured  was left on the living room floor with the 2 kittens locked inside and my husband and Jenny's sister stayed in the room while Jenny and I went downstairs to print the contracts.  While I was getting them ready Jenny said she would have to go to her van to get her handbag to pay me.  She returned about 10 minutes later and we signed the contracts and she wrote me a cheque for $2,000 FALSE she was paid a total of $2200 ($1500 + $700) in full payment for the two kittens. She was getting very agitated and complained that my laser printer was too slow.  She made me immediately sign the contracts and even before I could finish stapling her copies together she left me downstairs to put off my computer and photocopier and raced upstairs.  When I arrived upstairs soon afterwards I discovered that everybody had gone out of the house.  It turned out that my husband and Jenny's sister had gone out while we were downstairs copying the contracts.  Jenny had also walked out of the front door with the carrier containing the kittens before I came up. FALSE Muniras husband carried the carrier down the driveway to the car  Treasure Trove had been sitting on the scratching post in the living room when we went downstairs and he was not there when I came upstairs. It was now time to feed the cats and I searched everywhere for him but he could not be found. This is when I realized that he had been taken by Jenny. FALSE accusation as no one had any knowledge the cat was even missing at this point.

I phoned Jenny several times but she refused to answer her phone so I left several messages on her voice mail asking her to search her room as I was sure Treasure was not in my house.   Rather than accuse her of deliberately taking him I suggested he could have somehow got into the carrier "by mistake". THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WHEN MUNIRA WAS PUTTING THE CATS IN THE KENNEL ! Of course I knew that this was impossible but I was trying to give Jenny an excuse for "finding" and returning him. I also told her that he was on medications since he had problems because he had been delivered by c-section and his head had been stuck in the birth canal. He was not on any medications and was a healthy little boy.  I said all this in the hope that Jenny would be frightened into "finding" and returning him.  FALSE when we saw the kitten at Munira Murrey's house, he was very sick and could not stand up without falling over. By the time we found him, he could not stand by himself.  IF we were going to take one, it wouldnt be the sick one when there were 30+ others running around the house.

I had to leave for Vancouver the next morning to meet a friend who was flying in from Pennsylvania with a kitten for me.  Before leaving Kelowna my husband and I stopped at the Toronto Dominion Bank to cash the cheque given to me by Jenny. Realizing that she had stolen my kitten I was worried that she might stop payment on her cheque.  I was correct in my assumption.  FALSE the stop-payment was for the $700 she did not return after we returned the Exotic and lost cats to her As we arrived at the bank I met Jenny coming out.  She asked why I had not left for Vancouver and I told her I had decided to cash her cheque before leaving.  She said I would not be able to cash her cheque. I asked her why and whether she had stopped payment on it.  She admitted she had because she no longer wanted the Exotic kittenMunira already had the Exotic because it had been returned to her the day before, but she did not refund the $700 for it, which is why the bank manager authorized a stop payment I asked her to accompany me back into the bank as I required her to pay me the $2,000 in cash right awayFALSE she was paid a total of $2200 She made a fuss about having paid $17.00 to put a Stop Payment on the cheque but persuaded the teller not to charge her for thisFALSE there was no issue with the $17 as the manager had not completed the paperwork for the stop payment yet Once I received the cash I told her to take me to the house where she was staying with her sister and I would return the full amount of $2,000 for both the kittens and take them back.  It was my hope that I would see my missing golden kitten in the room where she kept the kittens.  She refused to take the money back and insisted on keeping the chinchilla silver femaleFALSE she would not return the $700 even though she had the Exotic already. I even asked her sitter (Beth) to give back the Exotic if they had no intention of refunding the $700. She refused, which is when the stop payment was the only other option.  To this day, we would be happy if she would take back her sick cats and refund the $2200.

We returned from Vancouver on September 28th evening and went straight to the RCMP office and filed a Report on my stolen kitten.  Constable Boffy reassured me that if Jenny had decided to return one of the kittens when the sale was for 2 kittens together she was not entitled to receive any money back.  FALSE the two kittens were purchased separately.  One for $1500 and one for $700. She told me they would search Jenny's sister's house for the missing kitten.  They did this the next day and informed me that Jenny had been very accommodating and allowed them to search the house but told them she had not taken the kitten.  They were not able to find it.  OBVIOUSLY because we had no idea where it was!
On September 29th afternoon I received a phone call from Jenny.  She said that if she searched the house and found Treasure Trove, would I give her the silver kitten that I had reserved for somebody else.  Initially I said it would not be right to do this as I had a deposit on the silver kitten. FALSE we were originally promised the silver kitten, but she sold it to someone else in Alberta for more money   Jenny then said she would not search for my kittenFALSE accusation.  Wanting desperately to get my kitten back I agreed to let her have the Shaded silver Persian male kitten if she "found" Treasure.
About 15 minutes later she phoned me and told me "Guess what?  Guess What?  I found him!".  She said she would give him back to me if I gave her the Silver male kitten.   I had no choice but to agree.  She then asked if I would give her the $2,000 reward I had offered for information leading to the return of the kitten.   FALSE accusations at no time was this ever brought up! I told her I would not give her the reward since the kitten had not been lost from my house but had been taken by her to her sister's house and she had known about his whereabouts the whole time.  When she purchased the two kittens I had given her a container of soft raw food that I made for my cats and this is the only food that Treasure would eat. By the third day the food had been finished and Treasure would have died of starvation if Jenny had not returned him to me. FALSE the reason he would have died is because he was already deathly ill and could not stand up!
She insisted that I meet her and her sister at Tim Hortons on Lakeshore Road in Kelowna in half an hour.   FALSE Munira Murrey was the one who insisted we meet at that location. I was to bring the Silver kitten for her if I wanted Treasure back.  I told her I would be there in 45 minutes and asked my friend, Beth Ritland, to join us there as I needed a witness.  I also phoned the RCMP office and asked if Constable Boffy could be present to witness the return of the kitten that had been reported to the police as having been stolen.  Unfortunately Constable Boffy was out on a call so was not able to be there. THATS BECAUSE SHE RESPONDED TO OUR CALL AS WE CALLED HER TO REPORT WE DID NOT FEEL SAFE MEETING MUNIRA MURREY WITHOUT THE POLICE PRESENT.  THEY CONFIRMED THEY WERE WATCHING FROM NEARBY TO ENSURE WE WERE OK.  The RCMP were there for our benefit not Muira Murreys.

 We met as planned, new documents were signed and Treasure was handed to me by Jenny's sister only after my pet sitter had handed over the shaded silver male kitten to JennyFALSE she took the lost kitten, but then grabbed the silver one back, but was forced to return him as agreed.  Then the documents were signed documenting the purchase of 2 kittens one for $1500 and the other for $700, both of which she would provide pedigree papers for when neutered/spayed, but has never done so This was like a scene from a hostage-taking movie.

 Addendum - Jenny's sister has since admitted in writing that she saw the extra kitten in the carrier as soon as they returned home. FALSE she never said any such thing as that is simply not true !  She said she had tried to persuade Jenny to return Treasure to me but Jenny refused.  It was not until THREE DAYS LATER that Jenny phoned me and said that she would search for him only if I would give her the silver male kitten that she demanded. REHASHING
I am still awaiting the original spay/neuter Certificates that I have requested to be sent to me by mail.  These have not been sent in spite of numerous reminders.  Once I receive these Certificates I will give Jenny pedigrees on her kittens as indicated in my contracts. FALSE she has been provided with Certificates from the Vet Clinics directly (3 times in fact), but has not sent the pedigrees she promised she would send in the contracts.

The above account of the theft and return of my kitten can be verified as being the true and correct facts by Constable R. Boffy of the Kelowna Detachment of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. RCMP File #: 2011-49023.   Phone: 250-762-3300.  The RCMP were involved from the beginning to the end of this incident.  FALSE Cst. Boffy has been notified of this content and these false allegations.
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#16 General Comment

Munira Murrey is lying about Jenny Forst

AUTHOR: jennydodi - (Canada)

It has been over a year and Munira Murrey has not yet told the truth about what really happened.

She will continue to lie to cover her a** so she doesn't lose customers.  She will continue to sell overpriced sick and diseased cats if she can get away with it and will not compensate you for the sick cats. She never honoured her contract stating she would provide a pedigree after cats are neutered or spayed. You will be stuck with huge vet bills unless you take her to Small Claims Court to recover your loss. 
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#17 General Comment

Do not believe Jenny on anything.

AUTHOR: steve - (Canada)

I unfortunately know Jenny. By no means are we friends but I have witnessed for years, her bullying behaviour, and attitude. She is a liar on every level and should not be trusted. I write this post as a warning to readers that are reading her lies in hopes that no one else will be subjected to her shady ways. She is an irresponsible pet owner, and has no business even to comment on pet handling.
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#18 General Comment

MUNIRA MURREY & MISSIONHILL PERSIANS HONEST BREEDER

AUTHOR: JanetB - (United States of America)

I met Munira Murrey 5 years ago when I had decided to get back into raising and showing cats after my family was raised.  I contacted her that I wanted a good male to start my breeding program.   She contacted me a while later and said she had a boy for me.   I saw his picture and loved him and went to her home to pick him up.  I loved they way she kept her cats and felt comfortable taking Artemis home with me.   He was and is an extremely healthy and loving boy and has produced wonderful kittens.  I would trust Munira with my life as she is the most honest woman I have ever met in the fancy. 
 
An example is I had given her money for a female and she felt the girl was a pet quality and I told her to keep the money until another girl came along and she returned it anyway.
 
I flew to Vancouver on September 27th, 2011 to deliver Redeemer to her. She met me in tears as someone had stolen Treasure Trove from her house the evening before.  She thanked me for Redeemer as holding him in her arms comforted her.  I have known her well for 5 years and found that she is honest and trustworthy and believe me when I say I have seen breeders who are nothing like that. I have also met pet owners in Vancouver who have bought two pet cats from her and they are very happy with their cats and have developed a close friendship with Munira.

Munira is 4'10" tall and suffers from very bad arthritis in her hands.   I have seen personally that it is not possible for her to open and shut the latches on cat carriers without assistance.  I believe her when she says that Jenny's sister opened and closed the carrier for her at the time of putting the 2 kittens she purchased into the carrier.

I am waiting for a girl from her and know any kitten I place with her will have a wonderful home.   I stayed with her for a while when I got Artemis and know it personally.   Any purchaser of a cat or kitten must take care of them and not neglect vet visits and good food and good care if they expect them to stay healthy for the rest of their lives.
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#19 UPDATE Employee

MISSIONHILL CATTERY AND MUNIRA MURREY - OUTSTANDING CATTERY AND EXTREMELY HONEST BREEDER

AUTHOR: MISSIONHILL PERSIANS - (Canada)

MISSIONHILL PERSIANS KITTEN STOLEN BY JENNY FORST

I have read the ridiculous lies written by the woman who goes by the name of Jenny Forst.   Anybody of intelligence would realize that what she has written is total fabrication.  There is not a single paragraph that is true and she has even got her own stories mixed up on the Complaint sites she has posted them on.

Jenny Forst demanded that Munira remove the account of how her kittens was stolen on her website http://www.missionhillpersians.com/inside_available.htm .  She threatened Munira by saying that if she did not remove this she would make up stories about Munira and post them on the internet with a view to ruining her reputation.  Munira told her to go ahead and do whatever she wanted to because she was not going to remove this account of her stolen kitten.  It was intended to be a warning to all cat breeders to be very careful of allowing strangers into their house and letting them walk through the house unsupervised.

I was present from the time that Jenny Forst entered the house to the time when she left the house with the kittens.  I was present during all the discussions and also witnessed what happened when the kittens were put into the carrier and carried out of the house by Jenny Forst.  

This woman is a known kleptomaniac and shop-lifter.  Even though I have not personally seen her in action and know this only by hearsay, I believe that this is true since I know for a fact that she stole Muniras kitten and refused to return it when
confronted with what she had done.  

Jenny had written several e-mails to Munira asking her to sell her a certain kitten.  In spite of Munira telling her she would not sell this kitten to her, Jenny asked if she could visit Munira as she was coming from Vancouver to Kelowna that day to stay
with her sister.  Munira is a kind hearted person and agreed to let her come and see the cats.  

Jenny went crazy with excitement when she saw so many beautiful, healthy and sweet natured cats and kittens.  She phoned her sister, Kitrina Jackson, and asked her to come over and see the cats as well.  She told us repeatedly that she and her sister did not get on well and didnt even like each other, yet she phoned her several times during the period we were having tea and cookies.  Jenny said that her sister could be trusted since she had a senior position in ICBC (Insuance Corporation of British Columbia) so asked if she could come over and see the cats.  Munira eventually agreed to allow Kitrina to visit as well.

When Kitrina arrived and joined us for tea, she also made a big deal of the fact that she and her sister were not alike at all and didnt get on well together.  This seemed strange to me since they acted like the best of friends.  In fact it was Kitrina who persuaded Munira to sell Jenny the kitten that Munira had refused to sell her.   Munira finally agreed to sell Jenny the kitten for $2,000 on condition that she took a companion kitten at the same time at no charge. To allow a health guarantee on the Exotic kitten Munira offered to word the contracts to state that the cost of the silver kitten would be $1,500 and the Exotic kitten would be $500, keeping the total amount to be paid at $2,000.    

Jenny had been in the house from 2:30 p.m. and it was 6:00 p.m. when Munira told her that they should get the contracts prepared.  It was at this time that Jenny caught sight of the golden kitten, Treasure Trove, sitting on the scratching post in the dining room.  She grabbed hold of him and asked Munira if she could buy him and offered her $5,000.  Munira told her that the kitten was not for sale at any price.

Jenny had not brought her own carrier so Munira told her she could have one of her carriers.  She brought up a large carrier that she was not able to use herself because the latch was too difficult for her to fasten and unfasten.  Jenny went downstairs to bring up the Exotic kitten and Munira picked up the silver kitten to put into the carrier.  She asked Kitrina to help her open the latch of the carrier door as she was not able to do it herself.  Kitrina left the dining table and knelt on the floor and opened the carrier door for Munira.  Munira put in the silver kitten and Jenny then put in the Exotic kitten.  Kitrina latched the door closed immediately.  Nobody else touched the carrier.

The carrier was left with the TWO kittens in it on the floor between the dining room and the living room.  Kitrina and I remained in the dining room while Munira and Jenny went downstairs to complete the contracts. 

Munira had given Jenny some of the expensive cat food that we prepare for our cats and I gave Jenny a pile of containers that she could use for making the same food herself.

While they were downstairs, Kitrina said she was ready to leave.  I told her I would help her walk down our steep driveway because she was wearing very high heeled shoes and would find it difficult walking down by herself. 

The TWO kittens were still in the carrier on the floor in the living room when I left the house with Kitrina.   Immediately after we left, Jenny came out and went to her van to get her purse and cheque book to pay for the kittens.  She then went back into the house to pay Munira.   Very soon after this she came out again and practically ran down the driveway carrying the cat carrier with the kittens inside.  I was talking to Kitrina at the time and was not able to see the kittens inside the carrier.

I understand that neither Jenny nor Kitrina had said goodbye to Munira when they left the house.  Jenny had left Munira downstairs and had run upstairs on her own saying that she couldnt keep Kitrina waiting any longer.   This is the only opportunity that Jenny had to pick Treasure Trove off the scratching post (where he had still been sitting when I left the house with Kitrina) and put him in the carrier with the other two kittens.  

Munira noticed he was missing shortly after Jenny and Kitrina had left.  She put food down for the cats and called for Treasure but he was no longer in the house.  She phoned Jenny throughout the night on her cell phone and left messages each time she called.

I was driving Munira to Vancouver early the following morning.  Munira phoned her pet sitter and gave her Jennys phone number.  She asked her to phone Jenny and tell her to return Treasure to her since Munira would be away.  Jenny told the pet sitter that she did not have Treasure but she was going to return the Exotic kitten she had bought because she did not want him after all.  Jenny arranged with the pet sitter to meet at Buckerfields at 9:15 a.m.

Munira told me that since Jenny had stolen Treasure Trove she suspected that she would no longer need the second kitten. She said that since Jenny was a thief she was very likely to put a Stop Payment on her cheque and get away with not only the kitten she had stolen but also another very valuable kitten worth $2,000.   Since she did not live in Kelowna it would have been very difficult to get the kittens back.   The cheque that she had written was on the Toronto Dominion bank in Kelowna, which is where she used to live before she moved to Vancouver.  Munira asked me to drive her to the T-D Bank first thing in the morning as she was certain Jenny would put a Stop Payment on the cheque as soon as the bank opened.

When we arrived at the bank we immediately saw the white car that belonged to Kitrina, Jennys sister.  I parked beside the car and Munira got out and walked to the front door of the bank.  As she got there, Jenny walked out.  She was obviously shocked to see Munira and asked why she hadnt left for Vancouver.  I could hear the conversation from where I was sitting in the car.  Munira said that she was going to cash the cheque so she could take spending money to Vancouver.  Jenny got flustered and said Munira couldnt do that because she had put a Stop Payment on the cheque.  Munira asked her to accompany her back into the bank and reinstate the cheque.  Both of them went back into the bank while I waited in the car.  

I should mention here that Munira is over 70 years old, is 4 ft 10 inches tall and weighs 100 lbs.  She also has osteoporosis and severe arthritis.  She is not capable of pushing anybody around and this is also completely against her polite, gentle nature.  From what I could gather from the conversation between them when they came out of the bank Munira offered to return the full amount of $2,000 to Jenny if she would take her to her sisters house (where she was staying) and return both kittens that she had purchased.  Jenny said she would not return the silver Persian but would return the Exotic back to the pet sitter.  Munira said the deal was that the two kittens would be kept together and if she gave the Exotic back this would not change the price of $2,000 which was a package deal for the two kittens together.  Jenny then asked if Munira would give her the silver Persian male kitten that had been reserved for somebody else in exchange for the Exotic but Munira would not agree to that. 

I then drove Munira to Buckerfields where the pet sitter was waiting for Jenny.  We said goodbye to the pet sitter and Munira told Jenny that she was to return the stolen kitten to the pet sitter before we got back home.  

On our return from Vancouver I drove Munira to the office of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and she filed a report about Jenny having stolen her kitten.

The next time I saw Jenny was 3 days later when she and Kitrina were waiting for Munira at Tim Hortons.   Jenny had told Munira that she would return the kitten she had stolen (she said she had found it in her house) only if Munira gave her the kitten that had been reserved for somebody else.  Munira had no option but to agree to her demand as this was the only way she would be able to get her kitten back.

Kitrina Jackson held the stolen kitten and refused to give it to Munira until the pet sitter had handed over the silver male kitten that Jenny had demanded.  

Munira had phoned the police but they did not show up. They said later that they had been busy at that time.

The kittens that Munira sold to Jenny were both very healthy.  According to the veterinary report attached to Jennys Ripoff Report, the cat developed an ulcer SIX MONTHS after Jenny purchased her.  Her own veterinarians report clearly states that there are several reasons why an ulcer can develop and this does not indicate that the cat was unhealthy at the time it was sold.  Eye ulcers are very easy to cure when promptly treated.  Jenny was negligent in not taking the cat to a vet as soon as the ulcer appeared.  

I am attaching photos of the kitten "Jubilee" that were taken the day before she was sold to Jenny Forst.  As anybody can see, she was a beautiful healthy kitten with large, bright, clear eyes.
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#20 General Comment

Misshoinhill Persian and Munira Murrey/ coment about Jenny Forst and stolin kitten

AUTHOR: Helen - (Canada)

MISSIONHILL PERSIANS AND MUNIRA MURREY - COMMENT ABOUT JENNY FORST

I read all the garbage written about Munira Murrey. She has done nothing wrong.  She is a sweet and honest person who had a most biggest heart for her cats andkitten.

I have known Munira for about 10 years, and let me tell you her home and her cats are blessed. Before I met Munira I was not able to have regular cats because of my allergy. When I saw her kittens my heart was touched by them.  I spent
time with the kittens and I did not feel any allergy. I got from her 2 kittens and they were my life and my world.  She has amusing cats and kittens.

She has all the documents for her kitten and cats. Her cats are all over the world and no one has said that her kittens are not good.  For some people like Jenny Forst who is jealous this is not working and she is looking to make trouble. 

I have seen Tresure Trove (chinchilla golden male) in Munira's house and that kitten was healthy and happy.  When Jenny stole Tresure kitten from Munira her heart was broken.

Jenny has written " Munira Murrey put the kittens in the carrier and locked it. No one else handled the
carrier and the only time I opened the carrier was when we got it home. As luck would have it, one of her other kittens that she has now posted in the article on her website - Treasure Trove  and who has water on the brain and also very sick, must have slipped into the kennel and hid in the back in the corner behind the other two persians so no one knew he was there until we got home.  We were so surprised to see him when we opened the crate to let the two we just purchased out to play."

Munira has very bad arthritis and was not able to use her hands for opening the cat carrier.  She asked Jenny's sister to open the carrier and then Munira put in the chinchilla kitten and  and Jenny put in the Exotic kitten and her sister closed the carrier door.  Treasure Trove was not a sick kitten and does not have water on the brain like Jenny is saying.

What I would ask Jenny is why did she not phone Munira when she saw the kitten in the carrier as soon as she got home?  Munira was phoning her all night but Jenny would not pick up the phone.  She had taken the kitten, she kept the
kitten for 3 days and even when the police came to her house she told them she did not have the kitten.  I would like to know why.  

Let me tell you BREEDERS there is a God and there is Karma. So if you dig a hole for someone else one day you will end there yourself.

I am writing this letter to let all the people stop writing garbage about any breeder not just Munira. Look in the mirror and see first who you are.

 

 
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#21 General Comment

In Praise of Munira Murrey

AUTHOR: Laurie - (Canada)

Jenny Forst steals a kitten from Mission Hill Persians & Unhealthy Cats sold by Dreamhimi Cattery

I would like to Praise Munira Murrey of Mission Hill Persians.  

She had a very valuable kitten stolen from her house in Sept 2011.  The full account of the theft can be read on her website http://www.missionpersians.com/inside_available.htm

I cannot believe there are people out there that can malign Munira Murrey and get away with it.

I met Munira Murrey close to 30 years ago when I purchased my first Himalayan cat from her. ?Many years and many cats later I am blessed to be able to call her my friend.

She is the most honest, caring and generous person I have ever met.?She runs an extremely clean cattery and it is open to all to come in and see her cats.

I was one of the first people she called when her cat was stolen from her house.  She was  distraught. She knew who took the cat as these two women were the only people there and she had seen the kitten just before they left. I told her to call the police. Three days later the thief called to say she had found the kitten in her house and that she would return it only if Munira gave her another cat that she knew was promised to someone else with a deposit on it. As far as I am
concerned that is kidnapping as our pets are as close to us as our children.

How this woman got away with this is beyond me. She should have been arrested and thrown in jain!!!!

I can give you many many many names of people that have been loyal kitten buyers from Munira for years.  They all agree with me. Breeders who wont sell their kittens to just anyone call up Munira to ask if she would be help them by buying their cats or finding homes for their cats as they know her reputation for fairness and her love for her babies.?

If you want to believe this type of person I feel sorry for you. I say to the thief  SHAME ON YOU.
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#22 REBUTTAL Owner of company

A Rebuttal to a Tall Tail

AUTHOR: MISSIONHILL PERSIANS - (Canada)

It is not worth wasting my time and anybody elses time responding in detail to the imaginative ramblings of Jenny Forst.  If anybody is interested in knowing the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me God they can read it on my website on this page (please scroll down for the relevant section):

http://www.missionhillpersians.com/inside_available.htm

I have been breeding and exhibiting Persians for over 30 years.  My cats have been purchased by breeders around the world and in several cases breeders have purchased more than one cat from me a sure sign of satisfaction.  My cats can be seen in the best Silver and Golden Persian pedigrees worldwide.   I pride myself on producing healthy, well-adjusted kittens for show and family pets and have numerous letters from happy breeders and pet owners to prove this.   My cats have never been sold with
ear mites, ringworm and upper respiratory infections.  I would not have the reputation I have today if I had ever sold a sick cat or been dishonest in any way.

The incubation period for upper respiratory infections is between 2 to 5 days.  Jenny Forst was in Kelowna for a week after she purchased the chinchilla silver female and there was no mention of her having any infections.  She has 2 dogs and 2 cats and takes them to a veterinarian clinic and pet groomers.  These are both places where cats can pick up fleas, mites, ear mites, ringworm and any of the upper respiratory infections.

Over the years I have had a number of breeders from overseas stay at my home when they come to pick up kittens.  I have always allowed prospective pet owners to walk through my house to look at my cats.  My females and kittens run free in my house and only breeding males are confined to dormitory style rooms made of wire mesh.  After my terrible experience of having my kitten stolen by Jenny I will no longer allow anybody to walk through my house unsupervised.

The Kelowna Detachment of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police were involved with looking for my stolen kitten and have my Report onfile.  The RCMP File Number is 2011-49023 and the RCMP Officer in charge of the case is Const. R. Boffy.  The phone number of the RCMP office is 250-762-3300.

I spoke with the Manager of the Toronto Dominion Bank yesterday morning and she has stated that what Jenny Forst has written in Para 6 of her complaint about the incident that took place at the T-D Bank is absolutely untrue.  At no time did she speak to Jenny.  In fact she told me that the fact that Jenny stopped payment on a cheque that she had written was considered to be Fraud.  The name of the Manager of the Toronto Dominion Bank. 32 Yates Road, Kelowna is Shirley.  The phone number of the bank is 250-870-5300. 

All I owe Jenny at the moment is pedigrees for the two cats she has from me.  As per my contract the pedigrees will be given to her only when she sends me valid proof of spaying and neutering.  I initially received a sheet of paper that she purported to be a Spay Certificate.  This certificate did not show the Veterinary Clinics address, phone number or e-mail address.  There was also no Clinic Stamp to show that it was a valid certificate.

Dr. John Brocklebank, DVM, Deputy Registrar, College of Veterinarians of BC (CVBC) wrote to me stating:

A Certificate signed by a veterinarian should identify the facility where the animal was sterilized.

I refused to accept the Certificate on the above grounds.

I requested that the ORIGINAL signed Certificates be sent to me by post not copies by e-mail.   The Certificates should clearly indicate the correct sex and colours of the two cats I sold Jenny, which were Chinchilla and Shaded Silver.  These are the colours written on her Sales Contracts.   Jenny states the cats are White, Grey and silver Himalayan Persians.  I need proof that the female cats spay Certificate is authentic and is for the cat I sold her and I also need a neuter Certificate for the male.  Jenny refuses to answer any of my e-mails requesting his Certificate.

 

 
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