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  • Submitted: Mon, February 27, 2006
  • Updated: Sun, April 02, 2006

  • Reported By:Hollywood California
Movieland
movieland.com Vancouver, Washington U.S.A.
  • Phone: 360-449-5933
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  • Category: Software

Movieland ripoff dishonest fraudulent billing spam harrassment Vancouver Washington

*Consumer Comment: Question for "Legal"...

*Consumer Comment: The "Physical Address" given by "Legal" at "Movieland" is just a PRIVATE MAILBOX at a POSTAL EXPRESS store!

*Consumer Suggestion: Look closely at what "Legal" states here.. Here's a blatant lie!

*Consumer Comment: Legal, you are so full of it!

*Consumer Comment: Legal, you are so full of it!

*Consumer Comment: Legal, you are so full of it!

*Consumer Comment: Legal, you are so full of it!

*UPDATE Employee: Response to Steve

*Consumer Comment: Direct from MEDIA PIPE INC....NOT affiliated in ANY WAY with Movieland!

*Consumer Comment: "Legal"...Still waiting in Bradenton....

*Consumer Comment: In response to Legal...from Steve-Bradenton

*Consumer Suggestion: Response to "legal"...

*UPDATE Employee: Response to Steve, Bradenton, FL

*Consumer Comment: Movieland info..Direct from the State of Washington..

*Consumer Comment: "Movieland" is NOT a legal business entity!

*Consumer Suggestion: Suggestion for Chris..re.Collections

*Consumer Comment: give it up movieland.com ; your advertising tactics are borderline illegal

*UPDATE Employee: Customer Support

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I did'nt want this service but It downloaded through a trick pop-up add. I was bombarded with spam telling me that my three day free period was up and I had to pay for there sevice or It will go to collections like Trans Union. I did'nt download this site. There was no way to contact them but I belive I found there P.O. box 821650 and all you get is a recording on the phone saying knowone will talk to you but to mail anything business wise(360-449-5933). I tried to cancel It but the pop-up ads would still show up.They want you to pay at least a 30 day order to cancel It which I did'nt do.Since I did'nt pay this are they going to ruin my credit? I was able to remove there program and have'nt seen It since.At least I think I did.My computor seems to be ok as I am concered this is a viris.Consumer affairs said they are a bad site as well as paretologic.com.I filed with the FTC and looked at the BBB and should I now tell Trans Union or anyone else? I don't know about this problem.Are there lawyers invoved?


Chris
Hollywood, California
U.S.A.

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#1 Consumer Comment

Question for "Legal"...

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

You mentioned in a prior post that it takes a "small army" to run all of the services you offer.

My question is, HOW do you fit that small army in a little mailbox at the POSTAL Express store?

This supports my theory that Movieland is just a scam being run out of someones house. AND, after several challenges for you to prove me wrong, you have not.

Therefore, it is concluded that MOVIELAND is not a legal business entity of any kind, and is just another online scam being run out of someones home.

If you do not like my conclusion, please walk your complaint over to your bathroom, and file it in your legal department.

Legal... you suffer from an affliction known as "delusions of grandeur" which is where an individual inflates his/her own self importance and power. You probably wanted to be a lawyer, but could not make it through law school or pass the bar. So now you pose as some legal representative of a company that does not legally exist.

My suggestion to you is to seek professional help.
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#2 Consumer Comment

The "Physical Address" given by "Legal" at "Movieland" is just a PRIVATE MAILBOX at a POSTAL EXPRESS store!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Legal,

Well, thats a mailing address for your "business", now how about your PHYSICAL BUSINESS ADDRESS as requested several times.

You wrote:

"The address for Movieland is widely known to be:

23705 Vanowen Street, #119
West Hills, CA 91307"

Here's what I found out about the above "business address" you gave.

It is nothing more than a PRIVATE MAILBOX at a POSTAL EXPRESS store. I verified this information at: (818) 346-6390 which is the telephone number of the Postal Express mailbox where your "business" resides.

Any more lies or misrepresentations you want to make while you are on a roll?

And please, save your usual condescending remarks.

Just the FACTS, please.

Still waiting in Bradenton.
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#3 Consumer Suggestion

Look closely at what "Legal" states here.. Here's a blatant lie!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

This "Legal" character posted the address of Movieland in the above post.

This was in response to my post that Movieland does not exist, and is a fraud, and does not even have a physical address.

Well, I was 100% correct!

Here are the facts on the address that "Legal" posted as the PHYSICAL ADDRESS for "Movieland".

>>
Postal Express
(818) 346-6390

23705 Vanowen St
West Hills, CA 91307

>>>

Movieland is run out of a PRIVATE MAILBOX.

Hey Legal, any more lies you want to post here?
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#4 Consumer Comment

Legal, you are so full of it!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

You still have avoided the real questions.

And, that address you gave is a PMB address.

Why is Movieland NOT listed ANYWHERE?

And, your "business" still does not exist in any legal sense.

You do not have a corporation, LLC, etc...filed.

You do not even have a business license.

And, don't make too many assumptions about me...AND lose the condescending attitude.

You are just too full of yourself.

FYI...I can guarantee you I have more legal knowledge and experience than you.

As far as getting the personal information based on a persons IP, that was a good dodge, but you never mentioned a subpoena in your prior post.

Unbelievable.
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#5 Consumer Comment

Legal, you are so full of it!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

You still have avoided the real questions.

And, that address you gave is a PMB address.

Why is Movieland NOT listed ANYWHERE?

And, your "business" still does not exist in any legal sense.

You do not have a corporation, LLC, etc...filed.

You do not even have a business license.

And, don't make too many assumptions about me...AND lose the condescending attitude.

You are just too full of yourself.

FYI...I can guarantee you I have more legal knowledge and experience than you.

As far as getting the personal information based on a persons IP, that was a good dodge, but you never mentioned a subpoena in your prior post.

Unbelievable.
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#6 Consumer Comment

Legal, you are so full of it!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

You still have avoided the real questions.

And, that address you gave is a PMB address.

Why is Movieland NOT listed ANYWHERE?

And, your "business" still does not exist in any legal sense.

You do not have a corporation, LLC, etc...filed.

You do not even have a business license.

And, don't make too many assumptions about me...AND lose the condescending attitude.

You are just too full of yourself.

FYI...I can guarantee you I have more legal knowledge and experience than you.

As far as getting the personal information based on a persons IP, that was a good dodge, but you never mentioned a subpoena in your prior post.

Unbelievable.
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#7 Consumer Comment

Legal, you are so full of it!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

You still have avoided the real questions.

And, that address you gave is a PMB address.

Why is Movieland NOT listed ANYWHERE?

And, your "business" still does not exist in any legal sense.

You do not have a corporation, LLC, etc...filed.

You do not even have a business license.

And, don't make too many assumptions about me...AND lose the condescending attitude.

You are just too full of yourself.

FYI...I can guarantee you I have more legal knowledge and experience than you.

As far as getting the personal information based on a persons IP, that was a good dodge, but you never mentioned a subpoena in your prior post.

Unbelievable.
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#8 UPDATE Employee

Response to Steve

AUTHOR: Legal - (U.S.A.)

Dear Steve:

Just as there are many companies named Movieland, there are many companies named MediaPipe. You appear to have found a company named MediaPipe that is separate and distinct. For clarity, MediaPipe is the name of the software that is distributed through the website Movieland.

The address for Movieland is widely known to be:

23705 Vanowen Street, #119
West Hills, CA 91307

You are grossly mistaken about privacy laws.
Consumer contact information, while not freely distributed, can be obtained from a service provider if the service provider is served with a subpoena or other lawful process. A subpoena can issue when a consumer enters into a contract via their home computer and then commits fraud upon the vendor. We typically will wait until we have a number of cases in one area so that we can consolidate them.

The reason we cannot pull down your IP address is because we do not control THIS site and because you do not appear to have entered into a contract with Movieland.

Yes, you are correct, I could not be certain that you are not an attorney, but I correctly surmised that you have no legal training based on the unorthodox legal theories that you post here.

Finally, for the record, we pay our taxes.
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#9 Consumer Comment

Direct from MEDIA PIPE INC....NOT affiliated in ANY WAY with Movieland!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

"Legal",

The plot thickens!

Media Pipe has been getting complaints regarding movieland and requesting customer service from them!

What about that "small army" you have?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
MediaPipe
MediaPipe Resource Center We are not affiliated with Movieland (and have nothing to do with them!), if you want to contact them, try: support@movieland.com integrated enterprises, inc.

The above info was discovered on a web search.

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#10 Consumer Comment

"Legal"...Still waiting in Bradenton....

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

"Legal",

Why is it you dodge the direct questions?

IF you are REALLY a LEGAL BUSINESS ENTITY....

POST your info here as requested NUMEROUS times!

You put spin on the trivial stuff in an effort to take the focus off the real questions.

If your "business" is so big, and legitimate.... PROVE IT HERE!

Post the requested information today!

Failure to do so will prove that you are a fraud and a scam.

Still waiting......
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#11 Consumer Comment

In response to Legal...from Steve-Bradenton

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

"Legal",

These ARE the FACTS about "MovieLand".

1. Movieland is NOT listed in any business directory or any other directory by anything other than a PO Box and a web address.

What are you hiding? What is your PHYSICAL business address, AND your LISTED, BUSINESS telephone number?

2. You present yourself as some sort of legal representation for Movieland. If you are actually a lawyer, which I doubt, you would have no problem posting your real name, bar association#, and state licensed to practice in here.

3. Movieland is NOT a LEGAL business entity. There is NO VALID corporation, LLC, or even a business license ANYWHERE in the 50 states for Movieland.

PS...I never said that you were the Wax Museum. I simply listed the ONLY business entities that have ever been on file for Movieland, and NONE of them are current.

If you say I am wrong, POST your current CORPORATE info here, along with your business license info.

4. I mentioned the IRS as my only resource to find out who you REALLY are, since you will not prove you are a legal business entity.

The IRS will find out for us. I wonder if you report all of that revenue from that website.

5. You say it takes a "small army" to run your company. Well surely you would have a large business location somewhere to house that army.

ps...all it really takes to run everything you offer is a large server that can fit in a closet, maybe in your legal dept in the bathroom of your home.

6. You say you can do collections by tracking a customers IP info. This is simply NOT true. You CANNOT get a persons full legal name, address, and/or SS# from an IP address, and you need all three to do collections.

Hint: It is simply illegal for any ISP to give you that information. That information is privacy act protected.

Another "misrepresentation" from "movieland".

AND, how do you know that I am not a lawyer? Please note that I am not saying that I am, BUT..You make such a "factual" statement, but you dont even know my name! How did you come to this conclusion?

Here's a challenge for you to justify your lies...Track MY ISP info and post my name and address here. Go for it. You have my FULL permission to do so.

Here's where we separate the facts from fiction.

Please post all requested information here NOW, or do us all a favor and not post any more of your spin here.
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#12 Consumer Suggestion

Response to "legal"...

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

First of all, you cannot track a customer by IP address. That information is privacy act protected and the ISP will not give it to you. It is simply against the law.

Second, you still have not provided any physical address, corporate entity info, or any of the other info requested in numerous prior threads.

What are you hiding from? Lets have it! Post your PHYSICAL BUSINESS address here. And a LISTED business phone#. Make sure the business address is the one on your imaginary business license and corporate charter.

You are a fraud. You are NOT in business. If you were, you would post the information.
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#13 UPDATE Employee

Response to Steve, Bradenton, FL

AUTHOR: Legal - (U.S.A.)

Dear Steve:

None of the entities you have listed are in any way related to Movieland.com. We are also not associated with the Movieland Wax Museum. The name similarities are merely a coincidence.

Once again, your post is filled with inaccuracies, consumers can be tracked down via their IP addresses and collection actions can be prosecuted. We make our collection decisions on a case by case basis.

You repeatedly make statements about the legality of our product, but you are not an attorney licensed to practice law in any state in the union.

Next, it is unclear why you repeatedly threaten to contact the IRS, but it appears as though you have no real intention to do so or the IRS has informed you that: (1) they are not the legal entity that deals with consumer complaints; and (2) there is no tax issue here whatsoever.

Despite your strange suggestions, Movieland is not run out of anybody's bedroom or bathroom. Quite honestly, the suggestion that a single person could manage a streaming digital media company the size of Movieland is rather stunning. It takes a small army to manage a product of this size.

Before you post here again, we strongly encourage you to participate in our three day trial. All you have to do is cancel within the three days and you will never get a billing reminder; you will be under no obligation. We strongly believed that if you actually tried our product you would be very impressed with the vast array of content available, the quality and speed of the download. You've got nothing to lose.
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#14 Consumer Comment

Movieland info..Direct from the State of Washington..

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

The State of Washington has 6 listings for Movieland, and all are out of business!

Look>>> Most recent:

1998! No business licenses or dba registrations after this date!

Multiple owners. Multiple business closures. 1 corp formed, defunct since 1991!

MOVIELAND is NOT a LEGAL BUSINESS ENTITY!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Name City Status

WALLA WALLA Closed
CHEHALIS Closed
OAK HARBOR Closed
SPOKANE Closed
OAK HARBOR Closed
OAK HARBOR Closed
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From the WA State Dept of Revenue:
Tax Reg.# & UBI: 601306037
Legal Entity: Hanson, Andrew T & Lilibeth T
dba:Movieland
Status: SOLE PROPRIETOR
Opened: 4/15/1991
CLOSED: 12/31/1991
Mailing address AND Business location:
347 S. 2nd Ave
Walla Walla, WA.99362
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Tax Reg # & UBI: 602276272
Legal Entity: Plummer, Lynda M - Sole Proprietor
dba: Movieland
Mailing address AND business location:
2100 N National Ave
Chehalis, WA. 98532-2301
Opened: 3/01/2003
Closed: 6/30/2003
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Tax/UBI: 600534810
Hooton, William L - Sole proprietor
dba: Movieland Video

Mailing address/Business location:

1397-A Midway Blvd
Oak Harbor, WA. 98277

Opened: 6/15/1984
Closed 7/01/1988
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

3 more listings available at:
http://dor.wa.gov/content/brd/Results.aspx?RequestType=2&Criteria=Movieland&City=

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hope this helps...Contact these people with your problems!
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#15 Consumer Comment

"Movieland" is NOT a legal business entity!

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Movieland DOES NOT exist.

Movieland IS a scam.

Movieland is nothing but spyware and adware.

I searched through dozens of public records databases, search engines,yellow pages and more for Movieland.

All searches come up empty!

How can a business that does not exist have a "legal" department.

This "Legal" character is a joke at best.

I wouldn't worry about "Movieland" taking and action whatsoever.

They dont exist! They DO NOT have a "Legal" department.

What a joke.
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#16 Consumer Suggestion

Suggestion for Chris..re.Collections

AUTHOR: Steve - (U.S.A.)

Chris,

Don't worry about these idiots at Movieland doing anything to your credit.

They would need your full name and SS# to report to the credit bureaus or take any collections/legal action.

As to the Movieland TROLL "Legal" saying that they haven't been sued, that is because they hide from the public. They do not have any listed business address other than a PO Box, and they have no listed business telephone#, and there are no public records of any business license, corporation, or fictitious name filing.

They are NOT really in business. This is a scam being run out of some punk's bedroom.

Rest assured, the legal department of Movieland would be the bathroom!

Hey Legal.....if you disagree with any of these facts, just post something that indicates you are actually in business. An EIN would do.

Movieland is a scam. And for your information "legal" unwanted pop up ads are legally classified as spam. Pop ups are worse than regular spam. Therefore you are worse than a bulk email spammer!

I'll be waiting for your corporate info.

I can contact the IRS to get this ball rolling.
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#17 Consumer Comment

give it up movieland.com ; your advertising tactics are borderline illegal

AUTHOR: Denny - (U.S.A.)

A legal droid from movieland.com comes in again and replies with no mention of how or why anyone would "voluntarily" download their rippoff program and use their service.

Their advertising tactics are borderline illegal; the downloading and installation of software not authorized by the owner.

there are many reports about movieland.com's bullying advertising tactics that are not going well with the IT community.

Until movieland.com gets with the act and changes their tactics; their ip's as well as their garbage software are stopped at our servers firewall.
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#18 UPDATE Employee

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AUTHOR: Legal - (U.S.A.)

Hello Chris:

We regret that you are not 100% satisfied with our product. As an initial matter, however, our promotional ads are not "tricks." They plainly set forth the terms of the offer in a short statement in a legible font. You can review the download process (and ad) at: http://members.movieland.com/customerservice/?spage=explanation4

In your complaint, you claim you were bombarded with "SPAM." Movieland does NOT now, and NEVER has, employed SPAM. The word "Spam" means Unsolicited Bulk Email ("UBE"). Unsolicited means that the Recipient has not granted verifiable permission for the message to be sent. Bulk means that the message is sent as part of a larger collection of messages, all having substantively identical content. This NEVER happens as a result of joining or visitng Movieland.com

You next deny downloading the Movieland software. There are only two ways to get Movieland software on your computer. The first is through a promotional ad and the second is directly from our website. Both require the user to manually click on "run" and "accept" repeatedly. The default settings on our installations are set to "Cancel" so merely pressing "Enter" or clicking on the "X" box with cancel the download entirely.

There is no litigation pending against Movieland and, indeed, we have never been sued. Our product is in full compliance with all state and federal law.

As to your questions about collections, we fully pursue our rights and make decisions on a case by case basis.
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