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  • Submitted: Thu, August 21, 2008
  • Updated: Thu, December 03, 2009

  • Reported By:NY New York
Moving Scam, Movingscam.com, Tim Walker ,
Internet Nationwide U.S.A.

Moving Scam, Movingscam.com, Tim Walker , MUSIC MOM -- Sharon Bayolo, Www.movingscam.com MovingScam.com- The biggest ripoff In the Moving Industry spending the time fabricating Recommendation Emails and also trashing their competitors Internet

*Consumer Comment: MusicMom - Sharon Bayolo

*Consumer Comment: MY EXPERIENCE WITH MOVINGSCAM.COM

*Consumer Comment: oh and mr government employee

*Consumer Suggestion: you people need to get a clue as to how the corporate world works

*Consumer Suggestion: Response to Lindaw and Thomas

*Consumer Comment: Tim Waker / Music Mom / MovingScam website is a SCAM!

*Consumer Comment: Movingscam.com Recognized As A Top Consumer Website on MSN.com

*Author of original report: Update Nationwide Relocation Services v. Walker

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MOVING SCAM - THE BIGGEST RIP OFF IN THE MOVING INDUSTRY

I AM POSTING THIS on he Rip Off report website, because Rip Off report site is legitimate
Consumers can post their complaints and in most cases have the complaint completely resolved. This website also allows the corporations to respond and state their case. RIP OFF is not bias because the owners here have no monetary gain. I found that Rip off Report has been very fair in handling any complaints, and did not slander people

Unfortunately another website targeted toward MOVING tries to mimic the Rip off Report .
Not only is this site BIAS. They are making a fortune by redirecting innocent customers to their sponsoring moving companies

Movingscam.com its owner, mediators and profile holders are promoting and recommending four International Movers on their web site FOR REFERAL FEES that they are receiving from these four companies.

Movingscam.com its owner, mediators and profile holders are trashing any other company involved in the International Moving (including all of our known competitors, some of them we know are excellent companies operating for 20 years in this field)
These experts repeatedly advise the public about companies not being licensed by the FMC and operate illegally, when in fact, these companies are licensed

Falsely slandering and tarnishing peoples good name and reputation Advising horrible facts and fictitious stories for example; a criminal fugitive residing in same apartment as one of our competitors

To summarize this important issue:

It is obvious that a major part of the postings on this web site are generated by unscrupulous individuals and companies with their own economic interests at heart, trying to steer away potential customers and direct them for their own benefit.

Some individuals may follow the advice, recommendations and this fantastic information

In particular one member MUSIC MOM -- Sharon Bayolo

One of our moving consultants drew my attention to the lengthy communication and the advice given on this site by one Music Mom whose real name is Sharon Bayolo to a guest.

Sharon Bayolo AKA Music mom uses Slanderous unfounded information against individuals, and scare tactics against people who I know are very reputable.

It is amazing how ONE sided her point of view is when it comes to MOVING companies on their THAT PAY Moving Scam REFERAL FEES.

THE MOST NATORIOUS MOVING COMPANIES are not even mentioned in moving scam
I know of several instances that a complaint against a Sponsoring company was posted and then completely removed Although TIM claims that any company can respond to a complaint. Any legitimate response from a company that does not pay or sponsor to moving scam is REMOVED

And to top it all
See highlighted the posting directly from moving Scam ADMITTING they get paid to slander people

Is not this a beauty?: In the interest of full disclosure:- Moving Scam is receiving a referral fee from the four moving companies listed above for every move with them that is booked from this website

Promoting 4 companies for financial gain and trashing nearly any other knowing International Mover?.

Providing Emailed recommendations? a private shipper out of appreciation, search the net and found Moving scam and than put all the time to email Recommendation email I don't think so More likely the competing companies involves are spending the time fabricating Recommendation Emails and also trashing their competitors

This is quoted directly from their site :
Some companies that have done a good job for people posting on MovingScam.com are the following:

Rainier Overseas Movers at www.rainieros.com, 800-422-5440 (ask for Doug or email him - doug at rainieros.com)
Security Storage Company at www.wemove4u.com, 800-345-0673 (ask for Michael or email him - mz at wemove4u.com). Michael is the "Michael Zlotnik" who wrote the article on International Moving on the Links page and he also posts here as "Michael"--in fact, he has been an unpaid volunteer here for longer than almost everyone else on this website.
Sterling International at www.sterlinginternational.com, 302-762-2896 (ask for Phil or email him - phil at sterlinginternational.com)
Stevens International at www.stevensworldwide.com, 260-244-7004 (ask for Michelle or email her - michelle.dillon at stevensworldwide.com)
(Please restore @ for "at" in the above addresses before emailing.) In the interest of full disclosure:- MovingScam is receiving a referral fee from the four moving companies listed above for every move with them that is booked from this website Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2005 11:26 pm Post subject: Reviews of international movers (June 2004 to present)

Please note that any complaints on the above 4 companies were dismissed or deleted
TO SUM IT ALL UP

I have contact the FBI the following two points:
1. The issue of www.movingscam.com generating revenue from referring customers to the four un-trashed Movers. And violation to the law .

2. The issue of www.movingscam.com its owner, mediators and profiles owners advertising misleading and false information about licensees. Laws and INDIVIDUALS. With full intent to maliciously damage their good name and business

3. We consulted with a group of attorneys and are in the process of imitating class action lawsuit against Movingscam.com , its owner, mediators and profile holders for deformation of character slander and liable I will post all contact details for all that are interested

Lindaw
NY, New York
U.S.A.

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This report was posted on Ripoff Report on 08/21/2008 07:05 PM and is a permanent record located here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Moving-Scam-Movingscamcom-Tim-Walker-/nationwide/Moving-Scam-Movingscamcom-Tim-Walker-MUSIC-MOM-Sharon-Bayolo-Wwwmovingscamcom-M-365585. The posting time indicated is Arizona local time. Arizona does not observe daylight savings so the post time may be Mountain or Pacific depending on the time of year.

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#1 Consumer Comment

MusicMom - Sharon Bayolo

AUTHOR: Donna the Caregiver - (USA)

Music Mom is Sharon Bayolo197ClintonRoad#5, New Hartford,NY13413

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#2 Consumer Comment

MY EXPERIENCE WITH MOVINGSCAM.COM

AUTHOR: Boohoooo - (U.S.A.)

By the way- for everyone who claims they slander companies... I complained about a company years ago and was expecting them to spread the word about how horrible I was treated and how a mover stole all of my things. I was annoyed when it didnt really get much attention at all. My initial reaction was "Someone stole my stuff and no one cares? How can you not be posting how wrong this company is to their customers????"
Low and behold, 3 years later, several other people have complained about the same company(and the complaints are thorough enough that they leave little doubt that the information is true), and now the company has negative review. Why? Because SEVERAL people complained about the company. Not just me- little old me didnt get any attention. It sucked. I felt cheated. I felt wronged. I felt like it wasn't as pro-consumer as it claimed.
Now in retrospect, they were just being fair, and not jumping the gun on what one person had posted on their board.

And just a general rule of thumb, companies who are good to their employees and customers and don't talk poorly about their competitors wouldn't have anyone posting negatively about them anywhere on the net.(with the exception of a few crazies here and there.) If you don't want people bitching about you, don't give them something to bitch about. Plain and simple. If you're a large company, then you're bound to have someone complaining because you can't monitor what all of your employees do at all times. It's just part of big business. If you're that big, you must be making enough money that a complaint here and there isn't affecting your credibility. But then again, most big moving companies dont have that many complaints(that I've found through google searches) considering the amount of business they must generate. Probably because their system handles complaints professionally before the customer has to resort to posting things online because they get no resolution or response. Sometimes making customers happy involves taking a little loss here and there, and occasionally biting your tongue. I do it, and guess what- Its money lost and anger pent up sometimes, but at least I dont have a crappy reputation.
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#3 Consumer Comment

oh and mr government employee

AUTHOR: Boohoooo - (U.S.A.)

If you do in fact work for the government(which I doubt), the most inappropriate thing you could do is attack or give your opinion about any person or company- My parents work for a federal agency, and Ill tell you right now that the last thing they would do or be ok with is making opinionated attacks while stating you work for the US government. Not very PC or impartial. Thought that was standard for all government employees- always be impartial... and not make derogatory statements unless its an official government statement. If you wanted to omit that you worked for the government(which I doubt you do), then say whatever the heck you like. Otherwise you could have your superiors requesting your ip address and taking internal disciplinary action against you perhaps? Which you and I know is what would happen if you did, in fact, work for a federal agency, and were using your official capacity to attack someone based on your personal views of them. :)
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#4 Consumer Suggestion

you people need to get a clue as to how the corporate world works

AUTHOR: Boohoooo - (U.S.A.)

Wow, I guess we should give all the angry moving company owners a tiara and call them your highness. Youre not owed anything by anyone that you dont have any sort of agreement or understanding with? WTF is wrong with you people. So sorry that some website doesnt post good things about you. I wish all websites post how great my company is but thats just not how things work. Get over it. Youre not better than anyone else and you are not ENTITLED to different treatment than anyone else. If that website was government funded or something, then fine, you would have a little something to be upset about. BUT ITS NOT. Unless there is some magic check that the gov gives em that no one knows about?? So what is your problem. Do what you have to do to run your business well, and thats all YOU should be worrying about. The AMSA doesnt post anything about any moving company who doesnt pay them dues, yet they reach out to customers supposedly and try to give them guidance and a "helping hand"(if thats what you can even call it). Are you suing them as well? Of course not you primadonnas. So pathetic. You must all be only children. Step into reality people- I know its tough.
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#5 Consumer Suggestion

Response to Lindaw and Thomas

AUTHOR: Sharon - (U.S.A.)

Lindaw, you're certainly within your right to "imitate" a class action lawsuit alleging "deformation" of character against MovingScam, but it's an uphill battle costing you a lot of money for little to no reward. It'd be better if you just talked to us about your concerns. This was how the previous lawsuit was mutually settled, the owner of the company talked with us, it didn't go to court, but it most certainly cost them a LOT of money.

Thomas, I appreciate what you're saying. Yes, sometimes we have to encourage people strongly to avoid mover with known bad histories. We're not out to intnetionally scare people away from movers in general, because we all know that 95% of movers have excellent records and employ honest, hard-working folks. It's the other 5% that concern us.

I have to rebut your statements concerning me personally. If you'd truly read the Message Boards, you'd know that very rarely do I recommend an actual mover directly to a customer, and when I do, it's because I have knowledge of the company directly through personal or friend/family/neighbor's usage, or have the OK of a trusted industry professional who says the company has an excellent record in that home area. I never steer a customer towards a company for the sole purpose of gaining a referral fee. That would be exactly what you claim it is, irresponsible, and would not benefit the consumer.

Regarding sending consumers to the government agencies, I agree. I will give people direct links to the Protect Your Move website, and encourage people to research the mover thoroughly on their own (better than asking me to do it). We want consumers to know how to check licenses, verify the mover ie legit and logistically able to handle the move that the customer has been promised.

Our major concern is the customer who has been caught up in a scam. This is where the government is failing, currently. I know there's a lack of funding for enforcement, and most customers slip through the cracks, but that enforcement has improved dramatically even since I was scammed 5 years ago. At that time all I could do was listen to a police dispatcher refusing to send out an officer to my location. The DOT took down my move's information in a formal complaint. The only reason anything happened from it was because this one company (now indicted) happened to have amassed a great number of complaints over several years and an investigation by the DOT-OIG was already underway.

But what about the small companies that aren't large enough to get on the OIG's radar? The customers are having the same problems as those scammed by the larger companies, but they have nobody to turn to, nobody to help fix their problems. The scam movers operate like this until their creditors catch up with them, then they shut down and re-open again under a new name. Their old record is not tied to the new company in any way.

Please tell me what a customer might hear if they called the 800-DOT-SAFT number while their mover is demanding $5000 cash on a move estimated at $2000. What would a representative suggest? What would YOU suggest?
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#6 Consumer Comment

Tim Waker / Music Mom / MovingScam website is a SCAM!

AUTHOR: Thomas - (U.S.A.)

Dear Readers,

Personally I have nothing to gain by misrepresentation myself or my motivation.
I work for a Government Agency that in part governs/oversees Moving Companies.
I have personally been involved in SO MANY cases that MovingScams specifically "Tim Walker & Music Mom" have mislead, and scared a consumer into making a decision based on "fear" rather then facts. I know that for some people this web site has been helpful but for TO MANY other consumers the information has been just the opposite.

I read the site from time to time specifically the "comments board" and sometimes I just can not believe what I read: provided to consumers as "facts".

"Music Mom" - I don't know what exactly your personal motivation is. But, you are SO negative towards the moving industry and are scaring so many trusting consumers. Perhaps, you heart is right but your going about it in all the wrong way. There are MANY good moving companies, MANY more then bad ones. The figures prove that. Your scaring people who are turning to you and your web site for "information and direction". Then you direct them to companies that provide your web site with funding! This in my opinion is a complete violation of the trust of the public. You are not a "authority" on moving companies just because you can research them on the internet. Do you have any governmental training? Government resources? Have been schooled in the industry by a government professional? You tell people things that are 100% UNTRUE! And they believe you! It's a MAJOR violation of the public's trust.

Our government can't do it all, I agree. However, for FACTUAL information consumers should contact a government agency for information on a moving company. Sometimes our web sites are not 100% up to date. Call our offices and speak to a representative. Don't take a web sites information over checking into the situation first! Be a informed consumer!

Tim Walker, I see you as a man out for vengous and not justice. Which is a true shame. Your web site and the gift your been given with it could be used for the better of the public. Which you have not done. That is the real "scam".
Shame on you!

Thank you for allowing my opinons to be heard!
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#7 Consumer Comment

Movingscam.com Recognized As A Top Consumer Website on MSN.com

AUTHOR: Jim - (U.S.A.)

Is it any wonder scam movers hate the site and threaten to file lawsuits against the company? Looks like they pissed someone else off. In any case, read the article by Fred Minnick entitled 10 Ways To Avoid Moving Scams". In it are references to moverescue, and movingscam, and the work they do to help consumers. I won't post the link here because I don't want anything redacted. However if MSN views movingscam as a website consumers should use to research prior to a move, it would seem on the surface they've vetted the site already.

Courts have already ruled against movers trying to sue movingscam; unfortunately, movingscam has prevailed every time because people have the right to post opinions in accordance with the 1st amendment; the last one spent $100K in legal fees to find this out. And as Ed Mageson of this website will tell you - the solution to those who disagree with what is stated is not the suspension of free speech, but to increase the amount of free speech. Right on Ed!!

Your case is a dead-bang loser. The case you cited was settled because the other party was advised by his lawyer to settle because the judge was planning to rule for movingscam.
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#8 Author of original report

Update Nationwide Relocation Services v. Walker

AUTHOR: Lindaw - (U.S.A.)

I am not opposing the right for anyone to voice the opinion nor are we debating our constitutional right fro freedom of speech.
Moving scam is actually breaking the law by slandering innocent people FOR FINANCIAL GAIN ONLY FULL STOP
They are not the consumers advocate nor do they allow the freedom of speech on their website. Every legitimate company that tried to respond to any complaint had their postings REMOVED .. So this is not a case of voicing an opinion or a complaint.

Most of the postings are done by Moving owner, mediators and profile holders. (NOT FROM CONSUMERS) The Sole purpose of trashing any other company involved in the moving industry is FOR FINANCIAL GAIN (as they are being paid off)

In the most recent LAWSUIT against Tim Walker and Moving Scam:
Nationwide Relocation Services v. Walker
Case 0:07-cv-60983-
Summary Threat Type: Lawsuit Date: 07/11/2007
Status: Concluded Location: Florida

Moving company Nationwide Relocation Services ("Nationwide") sued Tim Walker, Walker's company, Consumers First Corp., which runs the MovingScam.com website, and several contributors to the MovingScam.com forum after Walker and the other contributors criticized the company's services. According to the complaint, the website used the trademarks of Nationwide and other moving companies without permission and published statements indicating that Nationwide engaged in "scams," while at the same time trying to induce customers to purchase moving-related products and services from the site and its advertisers. Nationwide sued for false advertising, trademark infringement, unfair competition, defamation, and tortuous interference with business relationships in Florida federal court.

Defendants Sharon Bayolo and Farrah Leigh Wanner each moved to dismiss, Bayolo for lack of jurisdiction and Wanner for failure to state a claim. As a result, Nationwide amended its complaint, and the court denied the motions as moot.

In October 2007, Walker and Consumers First moved to dismiss for improper venue, failure to state a claim, and lack of personal jurisdiction. The court denied the motions, finding that Walker and Consumers First specifically targeted the Southern District of Florida in operation of the website, thereby establishing jurisdiction and venue, and that Nationwide's claims were sufficiently stated.

In April 2008, Nationwide amended its complaint again, and the defendants Walker, Consumer First, and Wanner filed an answer.


8/6/2008 - The parties settled the case.

Court documents prove that MOVINGSCAM is benefiting from this Industry (ALL PUBLIC RECORD) and that they do accept $$ for redirecting customers to a few SELECTED Paying companies

I believe in the justice system AND this is not a lost cause
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